Minority affairs minister A.R. Antulay
What Killed Hemant Karkare?
In one word: Politics. Of the kind being practiced by A.R. Antualy, Syed Shahbuddin and all their comrades from the left to the right, east to the west, from the hand or the lotus to the elephant. And it will surely continue to kill many other khaki wearing brave souls
So the minister of minority affairs, A.R. Antulay, is back in limelight and every TV channel is busy covering his antics. He is the same person who was promoted by Indira Gandhi in the early 80s to become the first Muslim CM of Maharashtra and later removed from power when he turned her name into a commercial enterprise. By the 1980s, he was a spent force and barely able to win his seat. Disgraced, ignored and denied access to the high command, it took him years before he could crawl back into the corridors of power. Even then, he could never regain the prominence and command the center stage as he once did. 

But now he has come up with a brilliant move. By linking the BJP and Hindutva brigade to the recent attacks in Mumbai he has scored a major victory. The Congress will find it hard to denounce him for fear of 'hurting' Muslim sentiments. The right wing Hindutva lunatics will target him which inter alia will help rally the Muslims behind him. He has already earned the support of Syed Shahbuddin who himself lost no opportunity to jump into the arena once again. Like Antulay, Shahbuddin is a spent force. After hogging the limelight in the sorry saga of Shah Bano, he too has been languishing away from the front pages and TV studios. The folly of the Shah Bano episode perhaps dawned on the Muslim community for they refused to elect him as their leader. Now, he too has gained a foothold and we can be certain that he will soon make his way back to the TV and radio studios.

Clearly, both these gentlemen and their brethren cutting across party lines have no interest in independent and impartial investigation into the Malegaon bombing or, for that matter, any other case. Since it is absolutely clear that Hemant Karkare died at the hands of the two terrorists attacking the railway station and the hospital, Antulay wants us to know why he went 'in the wrong direction'. After all, he reasons, police officers should run to help the VIP rather than the common folks. Why would Karkare act differently unless forced by someone else? This perhaps implies that the Hindu terrorists must have acted in cohort with the Pak militants to get Karkare out of his investigation! Antulay does not have to say this directly but his questions certainly raises an interesting possibility of cooperation between extremists breaking religious and ideological divides. (But Syed Shahbuddin is around to say what Antulay will not say. He has issued a statement saying, "What Shri Antulay has hinted at, and which I endorse, is that there might have been a parallel conspiracy to silence Karkare and an elimination squad may have been following him. When they got an opportunity in the noise and dust generated by the terrorist attack, they killed him.)

Now, it is one thing to question the facts of an encounter, which by itself is a perfectly legitimate exercise. It is also perfectly legitimate to articulate the apprehensions held by sufficiently large sections of the population. But in this case, the whole manner seems to be an exercise designed to do nothing but feed the fears and rumour-mongering that has not abated since the "encounter"  at Delhi's Batla House. Far from alleviating any legitimate Muslim grievance, Mr Antualy seems actually to be ensuring a further deepening of a persecution complex and damaging the credibility of the justice system in the country.

Now, to come back to the facts of the case. There can be many plausible reasons for Hemant Karkae to choose the particular direction he did. I think a simple one is that as the head of ATS and, perhaps realizing the danger to hundreds of commuters in that area, he preferred to first lead his men towards the north rather than to the hotels which had a smaller number of people. Obviously, just as was the case with news channels, the information coming to him would also have been hazy and unclear. It would have been natural for the two senior officers to rush to different spots if the gravity of other attacks had been properly communicated. There are radio communication logs that could be investigated to determine the reasons why he and his colleague made that particular fatal choice. But clearly, he anticipated trouble and wore the thin bullet proof vests and the helmet as a precaution. 

So far, from all available eye-witness accounts,  it would seem that the two terrorists had no idea who he was when they killed him with their superior weapons. We now know that these two terrorists had lost their way and were coming down from the hospital roof when they encountered Hemant Karkare in his vehicle. The Mumbai police are investigating the case and it is natural for the investigators and the leadership to focus upon the reasons for so many casualties of their brave officers. There is no doubt that this case will be examined from all perspectives to understand how the two terrorists could kill three senior police officers and run off in their vehicle. Conclusions will be drawn and lessons learned to develop better ways of engaging dangerous killers. 

It is also clear that the Malegaon investigation will not slacken. Hemant Karkare was only the leader of a brilliant team that used forensic evidence and painstaking efforts to identify the new face of terrorism in the country. The team remains intact and will undoubtedly pursue with greater determination to crack this case. After all, the reputation of their leader is at stake in their inquiry. There are all kinds of problems with the Indian police but fraternity and strong sense of solidarity with fellow officers remains strong. The Malegaon case along with this dastardly attack on Mumbai are now inter-related from the sacrifice of Hemant Karkare and nobody should doubt that his comrades will not move heaven and earth to take the investigation into the two crimes to their logical end. 

But Antulay, Shahbuddin and all their comrades, from the left to the right, east to the west, from the hand or the lotus to the elephant have no interest in any impartial investigation or good policing. That will go against the interests of their fraternity. The truth will shatter all their pretenses and insinuations. Independent police investigations and functioning will destroy their politics. They will then really have to serve the people and do something about hunger, education, health, shelter and other mundane issues that have paralyzed the country. It is better for them to raise bogeys, cast aspersions, divide communities and play upon unspoken fears. This helps get them visibility and garner votes and places no accountability on their actions. After all, these formulas have worked for 60 years and will work again in the coming months. 

For the politicians, it would seem, there are other dangers too in making the police independent. The investigators will begin looking into their shenanigans. They may examine the source of crores that every politician mysteriously seems to possess today. They may pursue the links to the criminals and financiers who grease their political machines. They may even make the politicians redundant: by becoming accountable to the citizens and ensuring the rule of law in the country. Then who will go to the neta for redressal of grievances? Good police will make the present set of politicians irrelevant to the citizens who may then elect only those representatives who will develop the country and provide equal opportunities. Clearly, the threat of independent police in the country is absolutely clear to these politicians. It is best therefore to play to the galleries, shed tears, eulogize the dead, throw money and talk tough but not do the needful -- which is to reform the police system. 

The politicians do not want to reform the police so that it functions to uphold democratic ideals. Nor do they want to work to make citizens co-producers of their own safety and security. None of the political parties and netas will lift a finger to implement the Supreme Court judgment and to release the police from political bondage. Antulay will not support the recommendations of the National Police Commission to create a security commission that can prevent direct interference in the functions of police. He will not question why SPs/ Commissioners and DGPs lack operational autonomy and fail to police the society professionally.  Because that would not help resurrect Antulay's fallen political fortunes, while raising ghosts and bogeymen will bring him back into politics. Little does he -- or other politicians for that matter -- understand that what perhaps killed Hemant Karkare and will surely continue to kill many other khaki wearing brave souls of the country will be their politics.


Dr Arvind Verma is a former IPS officer who is now with the Dept of Criminal Justice, Indiana University- Bloomington, USA

 
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Dec 26, 2008 12:00 AM
152
LET US WAIT FOR HIS POSTMORTEM REPORT TO FIND OUT IF HE WAS DRUNK.
HE WAS TRAVELING WITHOUT BULLET PROOF VEST.
DESPITE BEING PROVIDED WITH A BULLET PROOF CAR HE WAS TRAVELING IN AN UNSAFE VEHICLE.THAT SHOWS HIS INCOMPETENCE.
HE AND HIS TEAM WERE BEHAVING LIKE POLITICIANS LEAKING INFORMATION DAILY ON THE PUROHIT CASE TO CREATE THE BOGEY OF HINDUTVA TERRORISM.
WHAT A SHAME FANATIC JIHADI MUSLIMS MURDERED HIM......
DR Rajiv Arora
Chandigarh, India
Dec 25, 2008 12:00 AM
151
>>"what would have been the level of denial if all ten had died?” M.J. Akbar.

The whole mumbai attack would have been blamed only on hindutva terrorists only. Antulay would have become Dy.PM. All hindus in the central cabinet would have been dismissed. Sheila Dixit replaced by Rahul Gandhi as Delhi CM.

The election commission asked to disqualify the BJP as a terrorism-supportive party machine. Casteist, anti-brahmin hindus would have believed that godse-types could have really done it. Congress and islam-votebank parties would have got a land-slide victory.

All the hindu temples in the country would have been locked up. Practice of hinduism in india would have been declared a cognizable offence for shoot-at-sight. Karunanidhi will succeed pratibha as the next president of India, sworn in under a statue of periar.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 25, 2008 12:00 AM
150
ANB:>>"The americans did it"

The americans may not want an indo-pak war, it will divert pak army from west, attacking talibans reluctantly, to move east, more gladly.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 25, 2008 12:00 AM
149
“Abdur Rahman Antulay is not in search of truth. He is in search of votes. He has become the Simi Garewal of Indian politics. Garewal saw a Pakistani flag fluttering on every Muslim housetop in Mumbai. Antulay sees a vote beyond every Muslim doorstep. Garewal was blinded by low IQ. Antulay has turned myopic because one eye is stupid and the other cynical. But that is his secondary medical problem. His primary disease is cancer of the vote-bank.

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---------------------------------------------Simi Garewal sees a Pakistan where there isn't one. Antulay will not see a Pakistan where there is one. But Simi is a fringe factor; Antulay sits on center-stage. Antulay is a cabinet minister, who has provided sustenance to those Pakistanis who are trying to fool us into believing that the terrorism in Mumbai was an instance of Indian security failure rather than an invasion sponsored by Pakistani elements.
I am amazed at the sheer gall of both, the spinners in Pakistan and the Antulays in India. They seem to forget that there is a Pakistani canary sitting in an Indian jail, singing out the plans, preparations and objectives. Nine dead men and their masters are being exposed by the tenth man, the man who did not die.
If this is the state of deception and self-deception when one terrorist has been caught, what would have been the level of denial if all ten had died?”

M.J. Akbar
Director of publication, Covert
dip
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Dec 25, 2008 12:00 AM
148
Hi guys aslong as we are in conspiracy theories here is one of the best from Dawn.


http://www.dawn.com/weekly/jawed/20081222.htm


The americans did it
ANBanerjee
Newcastle, United Kingdom
Dec 24, 2008 12:00 AM
147
BANITOADOLFO
ROMA ITALY

>>“may we wake up in the new year, and find that both pakistan and bangladesh have disappeared from the map. instead of these subhumans we have a landscape with animals who resemble them best.”


This is fanaticism in its extreme and you people are the storehouses from where these terrorists generally come out with their very causes to show the world. Don’t generalize – avoid insulting a nation.
dip
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Dec 24, 2008 12:00 AM
146
mr ghai, gentlemen-

a happy christmas and new year.

may we wake up in the new year, and find that both pakistan and bangladesh have disappeared from the map. instead of these subhumans we have
a landscape with animals who resemble them best.

i wonder who they will be.

cheers, a votre santi, prost, skol.
banitoadolfo
roma, Italy
Dec 24, 2008 12:00 AM
145
LALIT BAGGAI AND FRIENDS

HAPPY CHRISTMAS .
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 24, 2008 12:00 AM
144
>> Just a few pages back you did agree with him, and said "its far fetched but can be true by indian standards".

Wrong! I said it was farfetched, but not by Indian standards.

>> Why did you not off hand dismissed Antulays comments?

If only you could read English! I said I did not subscribe to any conspiracy theory at least six times in this forum, including at least a couple of times to you.

>> In this case the events shows that I was right with my prediction.

News and rumors from Malegaon are quite frequent. You can take your "prediction" and smoke it in your pipe.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 24, 2008 12:00 AM
143
>>He suggested some foul play. Although I do not believe that, I do not see any reason to call him a Pakistani agent.

Actually, your favorite site (countercurrents of course) was floating similar theories long before Antulay. In fact, in one article, they suggested that the entire thing was actually planned and executed by an "Anglo-American-Mossad-RSS Nexus".


http://www.countercurrents.org/misra031208.htm


Now do you see why your rage against people posting from Jihad watch evokes derision?
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 24, 2008 12:00 AM
142
>> So is Antulays allegation that Karkare was killed by Hindus?

>>He suggested some foul play. Although I do not believe that, I do not see any reason to call him a Pakistani agent.

Just a few pages back you did agree with him, and said "its far fetched but can be true by indian standards".

> Again read what i said: Its plausible the Antulay is a Pak Agent, and called for an investigation !! Why did you not off hand dismissed Antulays comments? Just the way u dismissed mine.


>> within 24 hrs of writing the above, NDTV reports new breakthrough in Malegaon case ;) with 3 more army officers being questioned.

Connecting Antulay's comments with that is a stretch, but not by Indian standards.

> WHY ? You seems to be in aggrement with Antuley's "mis-speak" and that was ok by indian standard.

> In this case the events shows that I was right with my prediction. The Purohit et. al. will be found guilty no matter what. I can bet on that outcome.
ANBanerjee
Newcastle, United Kingdom
Dec 24, 2008 12:00 AM
141
>> But he is perfectly within his rights to be a)hate monger b) make a malicious statement.

And so am I in saying, "What a malicious statement from this crazed hatemonger!"
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 24, 2008 12:00 AM
140
>> So is Antulays allegation that Karkare was killed by Hindus?

He suggested some foul play. Although I do not believe that, I do not see any reason to call him a Pakistani agent.

>> within 24 hrs of writing the above, NDTV reports new breakthrough in Malegaon case ;) with 3 more army officers being questioned.

Connecting Antulay's comments with that is a stretch, but not by Indian standards.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
139
"WHAT IF KARKARE WAS CONVINCED THAT PRAGYA AND PANDIT WERE INNOCENT AND WAS TO RELEASE A PRESS STATEMENT to that effect!!! WHO WOULD HAVE FACED THE "HINDU BACKLASH"???"

That is an excellent point. We need a thorough inquiry into this angle.

Obviously such a statement from Karkare would have meant a severe blow to the succus. So who among the succular crowd ordered Karkare to be in that place?

Or was some Congress leader pressurizing Karkare to implicate the BJP? And Karkare, being an honest officer refused and said there is no evidence against the BJP and the Sangh?

THis angered the Congress leader(s) and they conspired to kill him.

AGAIN I AM NOT SAYING THIS HAPPENED. ALL I AM SAYING IS DO WE KNOW 100% THIS IS NOT THE CASE? HAS SUFFICIENT INQUIRY BEEN MADE IN THIS ANGLE?

The question "who benefits" has its counterpart-"who gets hurt". And based on the above scenario, it is Congress that would be hurt.

AS AN INDIAN CITIZEN, I DEMAND A CBI PROBE TO EXPLORE ALL THE ABOVE ANGLES.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
138
Dear GANESAN
NJ USA

I dare not say it in so many worlds. WHAT IF KARKARE WAS CONVINCED THAT PRAGYA AND PANDIT WERE INNOCENT AND WAS TO RELEASE A PRESS STATEMENT to that effect!!! WHO WOULD HAVE FACED THE "HINDU BACKLASH"??? You said- about Congress involvement- not me. Similar to when Mr Rajiv Gandhi was killed but no other prominent Congress Leader was killed!!!!!
Akil
Bangalore, India
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
137
"So why should we leave out anyone??? "

No. We should not. That is why I said I am not satisfied with the statement of Chidambaram.

We should start with the Sonia Gandhi, Manmohan Singh and the Congress leadership. I can provide a perfect motive.

Killing Karkare increases the anger of muslims as he was busting the hindu terror. This in turn would make muslims vote for Congress because a)Congress is the only alternative to hindu terror since voting to any other party would mean vote splitting. And we know muslims vote strategically b) It tarnishes the image of BJP.

So in the great Indian tradition of asking who benefits, I am saying it is the Congress that benefits.

NOW TIME FOR CMA(Cover my rear)

I AM NOT SUGGESTING CONGRESS ACTUALLY DID ANYTHING. ALL I AM SAYING IS MOTIVE CAN BE ASCRIBED TO CONGRESS AS WELL.

And we need to make sure Congress is free of all the charges. So an enquiry must be carried out to determine the role of the Congress leaders.

I am also an Indian citizen. The Home Minister has a duty to satisfy me as well. Why only Antulay? Is it because he is a muslim and gets preferential treatment?
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
136
lalitombo

I am sorry but I can not subscribe to Islamo-phobia ... despite all the provocations from Pakistan based and abetted terror outfits and their actions ...

Compare the war hysteria that is being built up in Pakistan by its media and the govt with the restraint and absence of any reprisals against Muslims in India ... this is strength of India not naivety or weakness ...

If it had been the other way around i.e. Pakistan attacked by "Hindu" terrorists, the whole continent would have become a nuke war zone ...
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
135
BHARATHIY
CHENNAI INDIA

Bharathy, Has Antulay, THE CABINET MINISTER, left out anyone out while casting aspersions on every one. So why should we leave out anyone??? Why restrict to Senior Police Officers- why not the Congress Ministers- I did not say- Anthulay said.
Akil
Bangalore, India
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
134
"A Hindu Godse killed Ganhi. Secularism the Gandhi's legacy has been now killed by Muslims like Antulay .Majority of the muslims agree with Antulay"

Ghai

Ah the truth is out after 60 yrs. Nathu Ram Godse was made a scape goat .Actually Mahtma Gandhi was killed by some Muslim as per Antuley's Law of Investigations and Deductions .We can further surmise and deduce that Indira Gandhi was actually killed by ????? .WHO ? Apply Antuley's Law the deduction is crystal clear !

Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
133
aggarwal

you are one of the millions of indians who can not think ,to save their lives.

i was not asking usa or britain to give us military help. just to discuss with their thinkers, what is the reason for the communal devide in india.these countries have similar problems as well.

danes were initially sympathatic to muslims who were haveing such a rotten time. arabs from palestine, iraq,iran were allowed in in their thousands. some of these muslims sought asylum in christian churches. thats history now,

today the govt and people of denmark are hostile
towards muslims. you can check this by reading blogs- and also blogs in europe.

europeans have drawn their conclusions after 20
to 30 years of experience. hindu indians have not. its a part of our psyche to doubt everything we do. its our destiny to have self doubts, and dither. what ever some muslims do, there will be digvijay singhs, and others who
will create self doubts.

we are haveing problems with pakistan because we are hindus. paki terrorist dont go around attacking muslim countries.

if you dont understand this,then you are an extremely naive person.

by the way it was a westerner who wrote the book about the clash of civilisation. i agree with this. in fact i had the same vision, and could have written a similar one myself.

surely liveing in britain you must be aware of the hostility the britts have for pakis.and the reasons for this. do they feel the same for hindus.

banitoadolfo
roma, Italy
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
132
I have to make a small correction. Antulay has supposedly retracted the statement and he is "satisfied" by the response by HM.

If this satisfaction from the Home Minister was all he needed, he could have done a simple thing. Call the secretary of the HM
Instead the garbage made a stunt. A stunt I think will work with sections of muslims.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
131
Chidambaram goes and directly contradicts Antulay. And Antulay sticks by his story and refuses to retract or apologize.

This is a classic play from the Congress play book. Different people speaking different things to different audiences. Chidambaram takes care of one section while Antulay takes care of the other.

In the end, the hope is both sections will be fooled by this charade. We will wait and see if they are right or wrong.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
130
"he whole attention is now diverted from the main issue of how are we going to prevent further such attcks.
"

That is a good joke. WHo said the main issue is to prevent another terror attack?

Do you not realize that the electorate cares only about development?
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
129
"What a malicious statement from this crazed hatemonger!"

But he is perfectly within his rights to be a)hate monger b) make a malicious statement


Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
128
Hey Lalitombo, dude, why for Pete’s sake did you have to reinvent yourself as the hybrid of the dreaded, may I say rather comical, fascist and war mongering dictators of Europe ... hope you haven't already started sporting a fudge under your nose ...

However, I have to disagree with your suggestion that the “issue of communal divide” between Hindus and Muslims in South Asia should be “studied soberly” with the help of “Western think tanks” for they themselves are responsible for it in the first place. Sooner or later some how or other, we have to find a solution among ourselves.

To get to the root of this divide I would straight away without any hesitation point my fingers at the British policies of “divide & rule” in India immediately after 1857 in the 19th century and the propagation of Two Nation Theory which culminated in the creation of this “artificial" state of Pakistan.

I quote this link from Rajinder Puri
http://www.outlookindia...name=rajinderpuri&sid=1


which is quite clear. The real problem is Pakistan NOT Muslims. You may not agree with me, but the truth is truth that despite invasions, massacres and conversions at sword points, we in India have been broadly successful in integrating Islamic values and culture in our society.

In 20th century again because of global strategic interests Britain and America as Puri illustrates ensured that India and Pakistan remain apart. “That is why the Army took control. That is why tension with India was kept alive by the Army to perpetuate its hold. That is why Pakistan to survive was forced into dangerous bargains with big powers.” That is why CIA deliberately fanned the extremist Islam in Afghanistan and Pakistan under Zia-ul-Haq and Talibans were created. That is why democracy can not survive there.

Obviously, for India, stakes are very high, as all the pointers are crystal clear ... a collusion of elite Army generals, ISI, extremist Wahabi Islam, Jihadis, the drug barons, the currency counterfeiters under the façade of “democratic” Mr 10-20% Zardari … they hate and resent our parliament, elections, secularism and above all our economic progress …

How India will handle all this … only time will tell … for one thing is sure … TO DEPEND ON WEST TO SORT IT ALL OUT FOR US WILL BE SUICIDAL …
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
127
>> I said there is circumstantial evidence that he is a Pakistani agent.

There is none.

So is Antulays allegation that Karkare was killed by Hindus. But still apparently literate Muslims wants a investigation.

>> Antuley et. al. just made sure that the defendents will be found guilty one way or the other.

within 24 hrs of writing the above, NDTV reports new breakthrough in Malegaon case ;) with 3 more army officers being questioned.

That is a stretch!

Yes, "Far-fetched but not by Indian standards"
ANBanerjee
Newcastle, United Kingdom
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
126
aggarwal

the issue of the communal devide should be studied soberly with the help of western think tanks.

what has been the western experience of haveing
muslim and hindu immigrants in usa, britain and australia.?

surely this should not be too difficult to find out.

mutual mud throwing is a senseless pass time.

however to start with one way at looking at this issue, would be to study pakistan, and hindu indian states. this would be a start.

many in the west regard pakistan to be a snake pit of islamic terrorism and hate. from this, one can conclude that we in india can expect problems from amongst indian muslims. their fanatical, myopic attitudes are in evidence these days.

however there is extreme reluctance in certain
parties to affix blame on muslims. they have acquired the status of the holy cow. they are the symbol of secularism in india. attacking even dawood ibrahim would be considered a sacrilege,

indians may be brilliants in maths and computer science, but they are very dense in common matters.this stands out when i read people interacting with faruki. its an excercise in futility. no sensible westerner would have anything to do with him.

after the cartoon episode secularalists and muslims have disappeared from the media. if they do come on tv, its always for the wrong reasons.

in the west people do manage to reach conclusions
to even the most difficult issues. in india, with lots of time to spare we keep on prevaricateing , discussing, debateing.

mehta and company would not be able to sell a single copy of their magasine in our wonderful
wonderful city of copenhagen.
banitoadolfo
roma, Italy
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
125
"Abdur Rahman Antulay is not in search of truth. He is in search of votes. He has become the Simi Garewal of Indian politics. Garewal saw a Pakistani flag fluttering on every Muslim housetop in Mumbai. Antulay sees a vote beyond every Muslim doorstep. Garewal was blinded by a low IQ. Antulay has turned myopic because one eye is stupid and the other cynical. But that is his secondary medical problem. His primary disease is cancer of the vote-bank.

As the minorities minister with the unique distinction of having done absolutely nothing for minorities, Antulay and his party face a meltdown in Maharashtra. If they cannot get even Muslim votes, they can forget about power and pelf in Delhi. He has therefore chosen to feed the Muslim with the comfort food of conspiracy theories, in the hope that this will drug him to the point where he loses his bearings until the April-May elections."

http://timesofindia.ind...articleshow/3868439.cms
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
124
"Antulay and Singh are representatives of a political practice that thrives in a climate of intrigue. To read a Hindutva conspiracy in the murder of Hemant Karkare, the police officer who was investigating the Malegaon blasts, is a cynical attempt to exploit fears about Hindutva groups, particularly among Muslims. The government and the Congress party, perhaps, do not want to discipline Antulay for fear of alienating this section of voters. The Left also should be wary of even remotely echoing the Antulay line that has muddled the war on terror under the pretext of raising questions about a possible role of Hindutva extremists in the Mumbai attack. It is patronage politics at its worst and inexcusable even in normal times."

http://timesofindia.ind...articleshow/3875973.cms

Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
123
>> >> why antulay and the islamist leftists are very much disturbed over hindu kartare's death.

They are not. They are happy, along with their blood brothers, the liberals. It has given them an opportunity to turn the attention away from the terror attacks and the imbecile govt, shifting the focus on Karkare and Malegaon instead.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
122
Seshadri,

>> why antulay and the islamist leftists are very much disturbed over hindu kartare's death. They are, of course, only glad that one more hindu is dead in india.

What a malicious statement from this crazed hatemonger!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
121


http://www.asianage.com...-their-facts-right.aspx



I am awaiting eagerly at Mhatma Gandh's Samadi at Rajghat for the arrival of the Coffin of Secularism being brought by Antulays and his Cohorts.The casket for the dead body of Secularism has been made of high tensile non-malleable steel.The grave adjacent
to Ganhi Samadhi has been alredy dug very vrry deep .So that the scourge of Secularim does not resurface again .Let us get rid of this pestilence known a sSecularism once for all.

A Hindu Godse killed Ganhi. Secularism the Gandhi's legacy has been now killed by Muslims like Antulay .Majority of the muslims agree with Antulay.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
120
AKG:>>"Mr Antulay should show that he has a firm basis to think that the investigation into the Malegaon blast has suffered after the unfortunate death of Hemant Karkare because those in charge of it now suffer from a Hindu communal bias".

You seem to be missing the whole point why antulay and the islamist leftists are very much disturbed over hindu kartare's death. They are, of course, only glad that one more hindu is dead in india.

Their real anguish is over that their plan, to blame the entire mumbai attack on hindu extremists only, has not succeeded. Their frameup of sadhvi-swami-colonel for malgaon, using kartare via RRPatil, was to achieve that major disrepute for hindus. If only kartare had not been killed, he would have killed the lone surviving terrorist also and blamed the whole mumbai attacks on hindus only, as per instructions from the minister for minority affairs at the centre. His premature death leaves pakisthan to take the blame, naturally not to the liking of antulay.

Seeing kartare's death as a divine intervention makes antulay even more unhappy. It means: either there are hindu gods also, or that Allah the only God, does not always support moslems, even on their crooked plans. Eitherway, Antulay can only feel unhappy!. His pak friends must be blaming him for a job badly done.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
119
"Politicians must get their facts right


It is wholly inappropriate that minority affairs minister A.R. Antulay’s thoughtless, even irresponsible, observation on the issue of the late Hemant Karkare should be sought to be dragged into the secular-communal debate in the country. The former chief of the Maharashtra anti-terrorism squad had very quickly made a name for himself for conducting a painstaking investigation into the Malegaon bomb blast, in which the prime suspects were members of Hindu extremist outfits and an Army officer said to be associated with them. But he, along with two other police officers, were shot dead by Pakistani terrorists who attacked Mumbai on November 26. There is no contrived controversy about this. However, Mr Antulay has a bee in his bonnet that the ATS chief was sent to his death by Hindu communal elements whose text message to him, sending him to where the terrorists were operating, put him in harm’s way. This is a kind of conspiracy theory that can be heard in tea stalls across India any day of the year. But a minister or anyone holding constitutional office has greater responsibilities than to peddle pedestrian wares.

Before voicing his so-called concern, which is nothing but an allegation without a revealed basis, it was in the fitness of things that a person of the rank of Cabinet minister should first satisfy himself that there was at least a prima facie case for the charge he was levelling. If Mr Antulay had conducted checks, he should disclose details. It is incumbent on the minister to show that the ATS chief was heading somewhere other than where he was killed, but changed course in the light of a motivated text message. He should also have to establish that if the ATS leader was headed elsewhere originally, there was no chance of him being killed at that location. Lastly, if he is acting responsibly, Mr Antulay should show that he has a firm basis to think that the investigation into the Malegaon blast has suffered after the unfortunate death of Hemant Karkare because those in charge of it now suffer from a Hindu communal bias.

It speaks of the immaturity, short-sightedness and often motivated nature of the political discourse in the country, which can sometimes also be wayward, that a general secretary of the Congress and two prominent Left MPs should deem it fit to support the Antulay assertion without burdening themselves with the responsibility of verification. Presumably they believe they are striking a blow for the cause of secularism in India. Closer examination may just reveal that they may be seeking to curry favour with the so-called Muslim voter. If so, they will find to their chagrin that the broad direction of the Muslim vote in India is historically the same as the non-Muslim vote. Apart from any of this, Mr Antulay and his supporters should have chosen a more appropriate time to launch their diatribe. A leader of stature ought to be sensitive to the national mood in a distraught hour, such as the one after the Mumbai carnage."

a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
118
Dear CHANAKYA
DENVER UNITED STATES

The doubt regarding the ownership of the boat can be best explained by the Ownership of "AUTO-RICKSHAWS" in India. The Rickshaw purchased with black money would be in somebody elses name (benami), and would be driven by one driver in day time and a different driver at night. CANAKYA, if you are an Indian you will understand it.

Antulay who is a Congress Party cabinet minister could have sought an investigation from PM, Home Minister, or the Chief Minister of Maharashtra who is from Congress OR even requested same from the President- don't forget, when Antulay was the Chief Minister of Maharashtra in 70s, the present President of India was a low level Congress Party functionary in Maharashtra. So why did he chose to go public with the nasty comment. HERE IS A COUNTER ALLEGATION.

The "IM" terrorist arrested for bomb blast had provided irrefutable evidence to ATS of the involvement of profit generated by SMUGGLING DRUGS FROM AFGHANISTAN VIA KARACHI- MUMBAI TO USA/ EUROPE BY DAWOOD IBRAHIM in the terrorist act. Reveling same by ATS would have resulted in CIA of USA eliminating DAWOOD as major part of the profit from drug smuggling was being used for buying arms and ammunition for Taliban who were fighting USA. So DAWOOD launched the attack on Mumbai from Karachi to get Karkare killed AND INDUCTED THE TERRORIST USING HIS WELL ESTABLISHED SMUGGLING ROUTE. DAWOOD also used his connection in Maharashtra police to send Karkare towards Cama Hospital and Marathi speaking “D Company” gun men killed him. Now since the international pressure was becoming too much, Pakistan ISI forced DAWOOD to do something to confuse the issue. DAWOOD directed Antulay who is in his payroll to make "the nasty remarks" and used his network to spread RSS/ Israeli MOSAD involvement in the attack so that the Paki attack angle can be diluted and more importantly unity of Indian political leadership can be destroyed with MUSLIM leaders supporting Antulay. WHEN RESPONSIBLE CABINET MINISTER CAN MAKE ALLEGATIONS WITH OUT REQUIREMENT TO SUBSTANTIATE IT, WHY CANN'T AAM ADMI DO THE SAME??? Please investigate this too.
Akil
Bangalore, India
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
117
"There is a new breed of liberal muslims in India who will one day marginalise the influence of fundamentalists. They may be miniscule, but they are the only hope for the vast majority of Indian muslims who do not know what their stand should be."


For 69 years I have been waiting not a single liberal one has been spoted .
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
116
>>But he was not accused of being a foreign agent.

He had said that Jinnah wanted Pak to be a secular state. Yet he was called a TRAITOR by the parivaris themselves!
RSM
Delhi, India
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
115
Why nationalistic muslims must suffer because of Antulay? Antulay is making nationalistic muslims defensive and angry. I have more faith in nationalistic muslims leading India along with other communities than Antulays who now will be bracketed with Syed Shahabuddins and Mufti mohammeds. There is a new breed of liberal muslims in India who will one day marginalise the influence of fundamentalists. They may be miniscule, but they are the only hope for the vast majority of Indian muslims who do not know what their stand should be.
pear
mumbai, India
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
114
Why nationalistic muslims suffer because of Antulay? Antulay is nationalistic muslims defensive and angry. I have more faith in nationalistic muslims leading India along with other communities than Antulays who now will be bracketed with Syed Shahabuddins and Mufti mohammeds. There is a new breed of liberal muslims in India who will one day marginalise the influence of fundamentalists. They may be miniscule, but they are the only hope for the vast majority of Indian muslims who do not know what their stand should be.
pear
mumbai, India
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
113
India is facing grave threat from islamists. The major threats are from within as we have thousands of mini-pakistan in India. Secular Islamists Indian Hindus are posing greater risk than Pakistan and Indian Muslims. Almost 60 years ago secular islamists hindus created a situation which enabled muslims to carve out India and create pakistan. Indian democracy is based on Islamism as we have muslim personal, sharia law and non-uniform civil code. Secular confused islamists hindus are promoting muslims to produce kids like pigs so that they can form muslim vote banks useful to them in elections. For example anti-national AR Antulay, Commies and Secular brigades are supporting Pakistan in Parliament shamelessly.
We nationalists hindus should get united and give crushing defeat to islamists Congress. We need Iron man LK Advani as our PM and Modi as Home Minister.
Thousands of muslim dominated mini-pakistan in India created by secular forces are ticking time bombs.
Mrs Bhanumati
Jhansi, UP, India, India
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
112
"That is a stretch!"

Even by Indian standards??
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
111
>> Advani paid for it for a long time and said sorry.

But he was not accused of being a foreign agent.

>> I said there is circumstantial evidence that he is a Pakistani agent.

There is none.

>> Antuley et. al. just made sure that the defendents will be found guilty one way or the other.

That is a stretch!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
110
banerjee

i believe it would be most enlightening to put
some of the dogmatic muslims through a narco analysis and get to know how they think.

i am dead certain that over 70 percent would be pro pakistan and anti hindu,anti indian.

let the tests begin.
banitoadolfo
roma, Italy
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
109
Actually if you think about it killing Hemant Kakrkare makes "Sadhvi-Purohit-Pandey"'s case worse.

Since now unless "Sadhvi-Purohit-Pandey" is proven guilty the muslims will think what they are thinking now (i.e. it's a hindutuva conspiracy) and vote out congress in the next elections. So to save oneself congress must find them guilty.

So Antuley et. al. just made sure that the defendents will be found guilty one way or the other. The prosecution will appeal after appeal until a pliant judge be found in the supreme court (eg Balakrishna ?)
ANBanerjee
Newcastle, United Kingdom
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
108
>Whatever the magnitude of his blunder, the point is about your facility in calling him an agent of Pakistan. Advani praised Jinnah on Pakistani soil, and yet was not called a foreign agent. Criticizing Antulay is of course quite legit, but is yours a dissenting theory or communal mudslinging?

1) Granted Jinnah was a bigger murderer than Kasab, but its in the past and there was no police investigation on Jinnah's culpability when Advani made the comment. Also Advani paid for it for a long time and said sorry.

2) I did not say Antulay is Pakistani agent, I said there is circumstantial evidence that he is a Pakistani agent and there need to be an investigation. Whats wrong with an independent investigation ?

If u or Anyulay asking for the Karkare investigation (the allegation being hindus murgered him) does not make u or Antuley communal why should I be communal asking for an investigation.

I am just using ur own words
ANBanerjee
Newcastle, United Kingdom
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
107
Question # 7 by Neelabh Mishra
(Is it unpatriotic to ask?)

And finally, how is it that whenever the Hindu rightist extreme seems to be in dire straits as with the current Sadhvi-Purohit-Pandey terror investigations, some violent action undertaken supposedly on behalf of Muslims or Pakistan, as the case may be, comes to their aid and also vice versa? For instance, recent Delhi blasts overshadowed the violence against Christians by Hindutva extremists in Orissa, burning of karsevaks on a train in Godhra and Akshardham attack respectively helped Narendra Modi in elections. And Kargil had helped both the BJP and Musharraf in their bid for power in their respective countries. Who plays whom or is there another unseen puppeteer?

Does it make me an anti-national to ask this question? DIG Vanzara & Col Purohit, I am looking at you. Or you want me to forget your deeds?
chanakya
Denver, United States
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
106
Question # 6 by Neelabh Mishra
(Is it unpatriotic to ask?)

The question of the strange coincidence of Pakistani terrorists finishing off the top leadership, including Hemant Karkare, of the ATS involved in probing a supposedly Hindutva terrorist cell whose avowed aim was to retaliate violently against Pakistan sponsored terrorism is also intriguing and needs explanation.I am not suggesting that the Hindutva extremists hired Pakistanis to do their hatchet job and in the process gave them the bonus of additional carnage to satisfy their murderous instincts but wondering about the circumstances of ATS leadership being led into a position of extreme vulnerability to terrorist fire.

Does it make me an anti-national to ask this question? DIG Vanzara & Col Purohit, I am looking at you. Or you want me to forget your deeds?

chanakya
Denver, United States
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
105
Question # 5 by Neelabh Mishra
(Is it unpatriotic to ask?)

The boat’s hijacking at Porbandar in Gujarat testifies to a local support structure for the terrorists. Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi does not tire of continuously claiming to have generally rolled up terrorist networks in his state. He has also been very vehement in blaming the center and the Maharashtra government for the attackers being able to reach Mumbai unhindered. He also claims to have warned the Maharashtra government about the possibility of an attack on Mumbai launched from the sea. How come the terrorists found themselves bold enough to launch the attack from the coast of Gujarat, a state he rules with an iron hand?

Does it make me an anti-national to ask this question? DIG Vanzara & Col Purohit, I am looking at you. Or you want me to forget your deeds? How do you plead Mr. Modi?
chanakya
Denver, United States
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
104
Question # 4 by Neelabh Mishra
(Is it unpatriotic to ask?)

Coming to the hijacked boat, the police account reported in the media suggests a mystery in the nature of its ownership and control. The legal owner Masani disclaims any knowledge about its actual operations as he had handed over its control to his brother through a power of attorney. The brother had in turn sublet it to somebody else who hired other people to run it. What is this mystery of legal ownership being at four removed from the people who operated the boat? And what kind of operations was the boat usually involved in?

Does it make me an anti-national to ask this question? DIG Vanzara & Col Purohit, I am looking at you. Or you want me to forget your deeds? Why do you squirm when I begin to ask these questions?
chanakya
Denver, United States
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
103
Question # 3 by Neelabh Mishra
(Is it unpatriotic to ask?)

Kapur’s account on Aaj Tak was interesting. He claimed to have overheard an exchange between two of the terrorists, who openly flaunted their Pakistani links, in which one asked how much money these Indian politicians had and the other replied what is that to do with you as you have received your amount. Did Kapur imply that the attackers were Pakistanis paid off by Indian politicians? With Kapur vanishing from the scene, there is nobody to explain this part of his story either or his credibility or motive.

Does it make me an anti-national to ask this question? DIG Vanzara & Col Purohit, I am looking at you. Or you want me to forget your deeds?
chanakya
Denver, United States
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
102
Question # by Neelabh Mishra
(Is it unpatriotic to ask?)

Coming to Sajan Kapur, a friend points out in a write up on the web that this guy just vanished from the scene after the Aaj Tak telecast. No other channel or newspaper pursued him nor did Aaj Tak follow up on his claims. Why this blackout? Did he prove to be a phony witness who gave a misleading account? If so, with what intent? Or was he whisked away by the security agencies for investigation and they are keeping it hush-hush?

Does it make me an anti-national to ask this question? DIG Vanzara & Col Purohit, I am looking at you. Or you want me to forget your deeds?
chanakya
Denver, United States
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
101
Question # 1 by Neelabh Mishra
(Is it unpatriotic to ask?)

# How many terrorists struck Mumbai on the fateful night of November 26? We are sure about minimum 10 as the security personnel managed to slay nine in fierce encounters and capture one alive. But the police claim to have found 15 sets of blankets and winter jackets on the speedboat that witnessed the murder of its crew members and is supposed to have been hijacked by the terrorists for transporting themselves to Mumbai from Porbandar in Gujarat. Besides, News Channel Aaj Tak telecast the interview of a supposedly rescued victim Sajan Kapur, who claimed he was sent to the Taj hotel by ATS officer Vijay Salaskar and had seen around 17 terrorists there and not just four as claimed the security agencies. Will anyone explain these different figures?

Does it make me an anti-national to ask this question? DIG Vanzara & Col Purohit, I am looking at you.

chanakya
Denver, United States
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
100
"He said what he should not have said, but that does not make him a Pakistani agent"

No. It does not make him a Paki agent. As I said before, Pakis are not that stupid to pay for a garbage like Antulay. By reflex he takes positions that help the Pakis.

He is not an agent though. An agent is someone who is recruited and who is paid.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
99
>> in the case of Antulay, it can be shown from Paki papers that he has given them new hope and a stick to beat India with.

He said what he should not have said, but that does not make him a Pakistani agent. A lot of other Muslims too have been saying it, so sooner or later it was going to be in Pakistani newspapers. That in no way reduces the guilt of Pakistani terrorists or the Pakistani government. The evidence against them is so overwhelming that the Kaekare issue will not even make a dent.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
98
>> So as per you, even “difficult to believe” stories should be investigated.

Facts adduced by an investigation take the edge off of conspiracy theories, even if they do not make such theories completely go away. But I did say that I can understand the government's decision not to probe the Batala case, and also the probable decision not to have a separate investigation on Karkare's death, because of more overriding considerations. However, don't forget that the sanghis went on demanding investigations into the deaths of Shyama Prasad Mukherjee and Deendayal Upadhyay for years after their deaths. Muslim demands for investigation of Karkare's death can be expected to continue for at least a year or two.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM
97
>> 1) Are you saying Antuley mis-spoke ?
2) Any theory dessenting to your theory is rubbish ?

Whatever the magnitude of his blunder, the point is about your facility in calling him an agent of Pakistan. Advani praised Jinnah on Pakistani soil, and yet was not called a foreign agent. Criticizing Antulay is of course quite legit, but is yours a dissenting theory or communal mudslinging?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
96
The most important part of this article is,

"We now know that these two terrorists had lost their way and were coming down from the hospital roof when they encountered Hemant Karkare in his vehicle."

What is the big hurry to dismiss this as a "just coincidence"

Terrorists loosing there way", && "Karkare being misguided to the same spot" && "All this happening just when BJP was being exposed as a terror organization" "All this happenning at the same time & space"


Werent we lead to believe that, simultaneous deaths of Mearaaj, his wife, & Tulsi "just coincidence". Before it was discovered that it was DIG Vanzaara who killed all of them, under the protective umbrella of Modi.

In Meraj case, only Vanzaara & other state sponsored terrorsists would try to sabotage any real investigation.

Who is trying to silence independent investigation in Bombay attack?

chanakya
Denver, United States
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
95
dinesh kumar

the buletts found in their bodies must tell from which guns they were fired.

ak47 or 303,3 or something else.

why did antulay not ask the govt in mumbai to make this simple check.

facts are simple. putting suspicion on the parivar was far more important then the tragedy of people killed.

for one other thing. most muslims must have been
happy to see the jewish people killed.

now what was in the koran about not killing innocent people, people of the book etc.

the killings was inspired by the religion of islam, because the killers had been indoctrinated to kill hindus for what hindus had done in 2002,babri masjid etc

how do indian muslims react to this. have they
ever said to pakistani,s that they are doing all right in india.

no they complain and paint a picture of immense suffering. this provides the reasons for pakistani,s to attack us. this is just one reason. besides this they have a hundred other reasons-

muslims inside india and outside in neighbouring countries bear us many grudges.the candle wallahs
will never accept these to be true.
banitoadolfo
roma, Italy
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
94
Instead of piling on Mr Antulay (or whoever else who raises doubts about what is politically correct) why not answer the man and move on? Why create a controversy about somebody's death? I think we need to stop carrying the baggage of everyone else and let the martyrs rest in peace.
Dinesh Kumar
Chandigarh, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
93
ganesan

put muslims through a narco analysis-

most will say - we are pakis- allah ho akbar.

should the paki army enter delhi, all muslims who
can walk or crawl would line the roads to cheer them.

all this is true. however its necessary to keep it as a well gaurded secret.

all hell would break loose, if this secret was
revealed. roys, mehtas would not know what they should do.

after a pause roy would don a burqa. mehta would put on his false beard. the skull cap he has kept carefully aside would be demothed and put to use.
banitoadolfo
roma, Italy
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
92
this moron antulay made millions in the pratibha pratishthan scam. he is responsible for the changing demography of konkan. parts of konkan, particularly his constituancy has seen 100% increse in muslims from the gulf. he has contacts in the muslim underworld.

most probably, karkar realised that pragya thakur was innoscent and ther is no case against the so called "hidu terrorists". this is the reason maharashtra congress decided to silence him for good. they used antulays contacts in pakistan and finished off karakare and now blaming the hindus. a perfect plot well executed.
namo4
London, United Kingdom
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
91
"but to call Antulay a Pakistani agent comes so easily to the likes of you"

Just like the succus call everyone they disagree with as fascists!!

Except that in the case of Antulay, it can be shown from Paki papers that he has given them new hope and a stick to beat India with.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
90
Only Hemant Karkare's family can ask for a probe without inviting any comments. What Antulay is doing is for not any holy purpose. The top police honchos are being asked to account for the lapses. The former chief minister and one of the top policemen were more interested in attending filmy functions. If they used that time for real administration, we would not have seen this day.
pear
mumbai, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
89
Kiran Bagachi

In my opinion we need to have a credible study of
the way most muslims think and feel towards India, Pakistan.

There is nothing odious about this. If so many
muslims have a permanent distrust for Hindus, if they want to follow their religion very faithfully, then I do not think they will be
reliable and trust worthy cocitizens.

We must know where we stand. Can any of us want to be faceing the enemy on the front with Antulay or Shahubuddin by our side. That is the reason why there are so few muslims in the armed services.Everyone knows why, but we keep on avoiding this subject.

Lets not blame muslims for haveing a greater loyalty to the muslim cause then to India.
Britain today faced British muslims in the war
in Afghanistan. Britain has 20,000 British muslims who are in sleeper cells, planning attacks against their own country. Religious
obligations are their primary loyalty.

India should demarcate certain areas for the muslims who want to live by themselves. Muslims
should welcome this move. Lets start with a few
such places in Gujerat, Mahrashtra, Rajasthan
and Uttar Pradesh. Let them fly the green flag of Islam, build superb mosques, grand Islamic architecture, and ban all the unIslamic elements
that they hate.No to TV, Bolywood, tennis, music
and art. Would it not be wonderful.

After this large swathes of India would be peaceful , devoid of the eternal talk of what muslims dislike, what they want banned and so forth.

i am sure jinnah would approve.
banitoadolfo
roma, Italy
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
88
Dear ANBANERJEE
NEWCASTLE UNITED KINGDOM
NOW HERE IS A COUNTER ALLEGATION. The "IM" terrorist arrested for bomb blast had provided irrefutable evidence to ATS of the involvement of DRUG MONEY generated by DAWOOD IBRAHIM by smuggling drug from Afghanistan through Karachi to Mumbai and onwards to USA/ European countries in the terrorist act. Reveling same by ATS would have resulted in CIA of USA eliminating DAWOOD as the profit from drug smuggling was being used to import arms and ammunition for Taliban who were fighting USA. So DAWOOD launched the attack on Mumbai from Karachi to get Karkare killed. DAWOOD also used his connection in Maharashtra police to sent Karkare towards Cama Hospital. Now since the international pressure was becoming too much on Pakistan, Pakistan ISI forced DAWOOD to do something to confuse the issue. DAWOOD directed Antulay to make "the nasty remarks" and used his network to spread RSS/ Israeli MOSAD involvement in the attack so as to dilute the Paki sponsored attack on Mumbai and more importantly to destroy unity of Indian political leadership wherein the MUSLIM leaders have formed a separate group . Please investigate this too.
Akil
Bangalore, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
87
>>By the time Taj was attacked Karkare and other two officers were already dead.Thank You Mr Ghai. I did not remember the exact sequence of events and my comments were based on analysis of the likely progress of the attack on Mumbai. If the Officers were dead before the attack on Taj commenced, did ANTULAY expect the ATS chief to seek Astrologers guidance to know about other places of attack prior to reacting to CST attack OR is it that CST was not "glamorous" enough compared to Taj for the ATS chief to respond to a terrorist attack were only"AAM ADMI" got killed.

Akil
Bangalore, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
86
Anwar miyan
“But the story itself, although I find it difficult to believe, has a life of its own.”

So as per you, even “difficult to believe” stories should be investigated. Will that not dilute the investigation? How do you suggest the police be split up? Half of the force investigating the Pakistan angle and the other half the RSS angle? And what about the Antuley-is-paid-by-pak angle? What percent of investigation should go in that direction? This one is less difficult to believe, AND has a life of its own.

Basically you want the police to go an a wild goose chase so that Indian muslims don’t feel "alienated".

“You are right that there is a distinct Muslim viewpoint on both the Batala and the Karkare issues, just as there was a distinct Parivar stance on the Sadhvi and Purohit issue.”

Strange! I didn’t hear you say “But the story itself, although I find it difficult to believe, has a life of its own” for purohit or sadhvi being framed to catch muslim votes? You were and are pretty sure they are guilty.
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
85
> That is just plain stupid. Advani and Rajnath can mis-speak a dozen times but no one calls them foreign agents, but to call Antulay a Pakistani agent comes so easily to the likes of you. Anyone who dissents from the official saffron view is a Pakistani! What rubbish!

Let me get this straight:
1) Are you saying Antuley mis-spoke ?
2) Any theory dessenting to your theory is rubbish ?



NB: I will let go your personal abuse me. I did not abuse you personally though.
ANBanerjee
Newcastle, United Kingdom
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
84
'Antulay's as to why Karkare went to Cama Hospital and not TAJ can be explained as under:-
1.Since CST would have had Maharashtra police with "walky-talky" which Taj is unlikely to have had, the first report of firing that would have reached ATS Head '

Akil

By the time Taj was attacked Karkare and other two officers were already dead.

Antulay is misleading Muslims .
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
83
>> but also some others

Don't be shy. Say it out loud. These others are the usual secular, liberal, anti-national crowd of course. They are mightily happy at Karkare's death, since it has given them an opportunity to focus on BJP in the midst of the Mumbai carnage.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
82
>> You are right that there is a distinct Muslim viewpoint on both the Batala and the Karkare issues, just as there was a distinct Parivar stance on the Sadhvi and Purohit issue.

So, if it is legitimate to criticize Parivar, as you frequently do, is it legitimate to criticize the Muslim community too?
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
81
NOW HERE IS A COUNTER ALLEGATION. The "IM" terrorist arrested for bomb blast had provided irrefutable evidence to ATS of the involvement of DRUG MONEY generated by DAWOOD IBRAHIM in the terrorist act. Reveling same by ATS would have resulted in CIA of USA eliminating DAWOOD as the profit from drug smuggling was assisting Taliban who were fighting USA. So DAWOOD launched the attack on Mumbai from Karachi to get Karkare killed. DAWOOD also used his connection in Maharashtra police to sent Karkare towards Cama Hospital. Now since the international pressure was becoming too much, Pakistan ISI forced DAWOOD to do something to confuse the issue. DAWOOD directed Antulay to make "the nasty remarks" and used his network to spread RSS/ Israeli MOSAD involvement in the attack so that the Paki attack angle has been diluted and more importantly unity of Indian political leadership has been destroyed with MUSLIM leaders supporting Antulay. Please investigate this too.
Akil
Bangalore, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
80
AWAREY chcha and other Christian ,

HAPPY CHRISTMAS !
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
79
Antulay's as to why Karkare went to Cama Hospital and not TAJ can be explained as under:-
1.Since CST would have had Maharashtra police with "walky-talky" which Taj is unlikely to have had, the first report of firing that would have reached ATS Head Quarters of Hemant Karkare would have been from CST. Further report about injured police inspector at Cama Hospital would have resulted in Karkare and his team of officers wanting to meet him to get first hand information of the incident at CST before moving to CST to take on the terrorist. Evidently Mr Karkare was unaware that the terrorist had moved towards to Cama Hospital ( a watch man of Cama Hospital also was killed) and got shot by terrorist who just wanted a car.
2.The situation at Taj must have got reported much later as the terrorist entered the Hotel and then fired on people and there would have been no police man inside Taj to report it on walky talky to ATS control room.
3. NOW ABOUT THE RELATIVE IMPORTANCE OF THE LOCATION- The number of death at Chatrapati Shivaji Terminus with thousands of AAM ADMI arriving and departing at any time- would have been extremely high- in thousands- had those two terrorist not decided to move out from there on their own will. IN FACT THE TERRORIST RUNNING AWAY FROM CST, SNATCHING A CAR AND TRYING TO REACH SOME OTHER PLACE IMPLIES THAT THE ATTACK ON CST WAS FOR DIVERTING THE ATTENTION OF THE POLICE SO THAT OTHERS COULD Enter TAJ AND OBROI.
4. NOW HERE IS A COUNTER ALLEGATION. The "IM" terrorist arrested for bomb blast had provided irrefutable evidence to ATS of the involvement of DAWOOD IBRAHIM in the terrorist act which was going to be presented to the international community to black list DAWOOD. So DAWOOD launched the attack on Mumbai from Karachi to get Karkare killed. DAWOOD also used his connection in Maharashtra police to sent Karkare towards Cama Hospital. Now since the international pressure is too much on Pakistan ISI forced DAWOOD to direct Antulay to make "some remarks" which can dilute the Paki attack angle which has been made by ANTULAY. Please investigate this too.
Akil
Bangalore, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
78
Ghai,

>> What is happening here is that Muslims barring a few strangely believe Antulay .Muslims are thus drifting away further from the main stream.Their stand on Batala House is another such example.

You are right that there is a distinct Muslim viewpoint on both the Batala and the Karkare issues, just as there was a distinct Parivar stance on the Sadhvi and Purohit issue. It is best to recognise the fact that differences exist, rather than attributing ulterior motives or malice to one side. Please also see my note to Maha.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
77
Sticky - you lost chewing-gum! Search yourself in the badly knotted hair of Bhar+athy (the terribly weighed down etc.)
Mohan Awara
New Delhi, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
76
Shesh+adri (Too / two clever by half) should now take up the job of a sniffer homo-sapien (and let the lower species of the animal kingdom test their barks - pun definitely intended - elsewhere) post superannuation since he has a more than perfect dossier on what is coming from where and going where.
Mohan Awara
New Delhi, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
75
"but to call Antulay a Pakistani agent comes so easily to the likes of you. Anyone who dissents from the official saffron view is a Pakistani! What rubbish!"

Faruki

Govt,Press and evidence on ground clearly indicate that Karkare was killed by LeT .You too said so .

What is happening here is that Muslims barring a few strangely believe Antulay .Muslims are thus drifting away further from the main stream.Their stand on Batala House is another such example.

Antulay has his own Poiltical axeto grind .He is simply exploiting the Muslims' .






a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
74
Maha,

>> What Antuley said was very serious and cannot be compared with stupid statements that other politicians make. It has compromised india's position with Pakistan regarding the investigation into terror attack.

Pakistan has no case at all in this "investigation". It is clear that the attack was the work of Pakistanis. The whole world accepts that. On the other hand the question of Karkare's death has been in the minds of millions of people since the time his death was first announced because it occurred while he was in public eye for several weeks as the lead figure in the Malegaon case. Although I do not subscribe to the theory of a separate plot independent from the attack of the Pakistanis, I think the Karkare story was too emotional and too poignant for a lot of people, mostly Muslims but also some others, to be suppressible. The big story is still that of the death of 170 innocent civilians. Bringing up the story of three police officers is not going to weaken our powerful case against Pakistan. The unfounded fear of weakening our case could not have long suppressed an emotionally highly charged story. As I have said, it was wrong for a government minister to bring it up. But the story itself, although I find it difficult to believe, has a life of its own.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
73
>>" the horrible casualties in Mumbai"

if moslem bashing is NOT justified, who is to be bashed? perh the brit, for building the victoria terminus, the parsis like Tata, for building the Taj, or the jews, for living in nariman house in bombay. People fond of sex with animals have their own animist logic.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
72
>>"openly celebrated the killing of Hemant Karkare"

No celebration, only sadness, at the divine dispensation, altho rather deserved. If he has resisted the pressures of RRPatil and resigned the post, he might have been saved. Patil, Auntulay, others involved, will also pay further prices, more prolonged and hence more painful.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
71
What about people like Shesh+adri (Too clever by half) who went into a hysterical overdrive expressing publicly how happy they were at the death of a fine officer like Hemant Karkare. Antuley is the ugliest face of insensitivty. But nothing is more obscene than the likes of Shesh+adri.
Mohan Awara
New Delhi, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
70
people like Antulay and people who supports these type of thing technically has no respect for humna life. they jsut want to be in limelight and that's it. terrorists can be tackled and not these type of people
satish mayya
dubai, United Arab Emirates
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
69
But Shesh+adri (Too clever by half) has gone conveniently silent about his publicly expressed jubilation in 'Raves and Rants' over the death of Hemant Karkare. This Chaddi-Baniyan brigade - owing allegiance to the Nanooks of Nagpur - take the ultimate award in hypocrisy.
Mohan Awara
New Delhi, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
68
ANBANERJEE: Whether Antulay and ShahBuddin are in paybooks of the Pakistanis ?"

GANESAN: Pakistan is not that stupid to pay for garbage like Antulay.

ME: While I do not share the doubts of ANBANERJEE and the consequent objection of GANESAN, the fact remains that widespread doubt (in this forum) exist in regard to this case. In democratic countries, such doubts would lead to special probes not only to ascertain the facts but also to lay those doubts to rest.

And the question itself has wide currency, and however bizarre the question may be, it is a sign of healthy democracy that such questions get asked, and answered. What say Anwar Miyan?
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
67
Anwar,

What Antuley said was very serious and cannot be compared with stupid statements that other politicians make. It has compromised india's position with Pakistan regarding the investigation into terror attack. Donot show your bias in these critical nation matters.
Maha
NJ, United States
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
66
Mrs.B.>>"India can not win the war against the islamic terrorism because largest muslim population lives in India".

You are right. This is a major problem. In india, in the absence of unemployment doles as in the west, whoever pays the people in unemployed sectors of the economy, gets their votes and also their cooperatoon in anti-national activities, also. Money is more powerful in india than law and order forces, they are also subject to purchaseability. Many senior police officials were found involved in Teigi stamp-paper scam, along with polits.

The main reason why the 'ind-pak' within india, more populous than pak itself, is operating anti-nationally, in helping the simis and ignoring the LeT operations in india, is that they get paid in the form of fake indian money, printed in pak channelled, hawala-wise, from gulf, via kerala on to calcutta. They get paid, to keep silent on activities of terror-plans india, even if they notice them and are also opposed to them, themselves.

Money-force can be won only by greater money-force. If the GoI announces really large money-payments, in lakhs of rupees, to any one identifying terror-plans, trainings, etc. and revealing them to our security forces, with verifiable proofs, before they are executed, those who now get money from anti-national forces, in collusion with crime, may decide to switch over to the national side, even among moslems, and reveal clues for catching terrorists and gain legal payments for it. The new home minister should seriously consider this procedure.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
65
>> Mr Antulay may also be an agent of Pakistan, far fetched but can be true by Indian Muslim standards as well !!

That is just plain stupid. Advani and Rajnath can mis-speak a dozen times but no one calls them foreign agents, but to call Antulay a Pakistani agent comes so easily to the likes of you. Anyone who dissents from the official saffron view is a Pakistani! What rubbish!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
64
>> Far-fetched, but not according to Indian standards

Please don't generalize Antulay's stupidity and Namak Harami to all Indians.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
63
BH:>>"The Hindu turned into "The Unhindu" and it is a leftist pseudo secular mouth piece for all anti nationals"

Right. Decades back, 'the hindu' was sarcastically called the 'mount-road mahaa-vishNu' by the marxists. Today, its appropriate name could probably be: 'mohammed on mount road' !
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
62
azeem taqi

it will be appropriate to get to know how various communities feel about india.

my view is that many people have not the slightest loyalty towards india.these are the leaders of casteist parties, communists and
i dont like to say so, but many muslims as well

in my view the bjp is the only nationalist party in india, and they have almost a spiritual binding to india.

its appropriate to make a study of the sentiments
of the various communities towards the country.

i am not trying to be nasty-just realistic when i say large numbers of muslims in certain areas of the country will always remain disinterested in india as their country. for many its just a place where they happen to live. with their
mindset they will remain as a paralell society.

antulays views confirms this in my mind. his hatred for the bjp , and many hindus is so great,that he is willing to sideline the assault in mumbai- a city where he has lived most of
his life. frankly i dont think that he or shahubuddin,and ond others give a damn for what happened.

its best that they live in various muslim homelands .there are today many such areas where
muslims have a large majority.they will find it
more pleasant to live there-to follow their own faith and traditions.

people who are secular and liberal of all faiths
can live togather- this would ofcource include
secular muslims.

its time india said.

either you are with us ,or against us.

the daily nit picking by the pseudo secularists
will prove a disaster. roy has the right to her
views, but i dont respect her right to insult the true patriots and laud the fifth columnists.
banitoadolfo
roma, Italy
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
61
Sorry I forgot Dukhi Ram Ambalvi.
Mohan Awara
New Delhi, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
60
Shesh Adhi (Too clever by half), Stopper (the djinn who couldn't come out despite lexatives), Lull it (the desperate Dane), Ghai (the sticky), Learned (without the school), Josephanand (the chaddiwala masquerading as a Christian) - openly celebrated the killing of Hemant Karkare. And now they are back here pleading from the other side. Wah!
Mohan Awara
New Delhi, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
59
If people like Shahabuddin think they are serving the Indian Muslim cause, they cannot be further from the truth. Going back in time too, he and his ilk have brought problems for the community and not really done anything to improve their lot.
Azeem Taqi
Nashville, United States
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
58
BANITOADOLFO
ROMA ITALY
split up between serbs and bosnians, greeks and turks, shias and christians seem to be the best possible solution. both sides have found liveing togather impossible.

Friend! Agreed we have a major problem on our hands but, I beg to disagree. We just cannot indulge in gerrymandering. It would ruin our nation as a single unit. We've got to find solutions with the unity of our country intact. Don't ask me how. Collective wisdom must be marshalled to destroy anti national feelings and unite and build the country.
As regards (from your quote above), just an academic question - I thought Shias and Christians don't seem to have issues. In fact, recently, Michael Aoun, the military chief of Lebanon was in Tehran on a goodwill visit.
Azeem Taqi
Nashville, United States
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
57
>> You should also must ask Antulay's motivation for asking the question ? Since the question definitely released some pressure on Pakistan.

> He never absolved Pakistan of the responsibility for the attack. He asked if Karkare's death resulted from a separate plot. Far-fetched, but not according to Indian standards!

Mr Antulay may also be an agent of Pakistan, far fetched but can be true by Indian Muslim standards as well !!

He is just clever enough to say that Pakistan may be involved.
ANBanerjee
Newcastle, United Kingdom
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
56
Ganesan,

>> are all those muslims who opposed the nuke deal pseudo national as well??

Anti-Bush rather than pseudonational. The BJP originally had worked for a deal, but then did not want the UPA to get any credit, so started nitpicking against it. That's why they are pseudo-national.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
55
faruki

i leave muslim bashing to others.

i believe simply as jinnah did. muslims and
nonmuslims are incompatible. everywhere muslims are asking for separation from the others.

serbia-bosnia,cyprus,lebenon, palestine,kashmir.

i believe muslims and nonmuslims will not dislike each other so much if they lived apart.

our problems with pakistan would be greatly reduced if kashmir was not in india. our problems with bangladesh would be much less if we had not been flooded by muslim illegal immigrants.

the formation of pakistan and bangladesh had a
good reason behind it. it needs a further follow up.this matter should be debated, instead of a
insane chanting of the secular mantra, which has been shown to be bankrupt.
banitoadolfo
roma, Italy
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
54
Seshadri,

>> Moslems have no real preferences or interests in economics or social welfare.

What an idiotic answer! Every argument for you is an opportunity to badmouth Muslims. The venom in your heart is going to haunt you in your next incarnation!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
53
>> You should also must ask Antulay's motivation for asking the question ? Since the question definitely released some pressure on Pakistan.

He never absolved Pakistan of the responsibility for the attack. He asked if Karkare's death resulted from a separate plot. Far-fetched, but not according to Indian standards!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
52
mrs bhanumati

jinnah stated that muslims and hindus were two separate nation, and today pakistani,s confirm that this is indeed so. articles, letter to editors prove this to be true. dislike, contempt is apparent in these comments.

why should hindus disreagard the feelings of pakistanis. and why should we deny that many
muslims in india-educated and others-share the same feelings. why this self deception. no
one is impressed. its a big charade.

india needs a major surgery where areas are designated for muslims- the ones who want to live there. orthodox muslims should for their own sake and for the rest of nonmuslim india
live apart. they are acting as a slow poison, which is killing india slowly.antulay and shahbuddin are muslims first and last. they act as indians, for the benefits this provides.

in every major issue the fanatic and dogmatic muslims have a different opinion to us others. so let us get them out of our system.

nonmuslim india should be open to secular minded muslims. they will also be free from the dogmatic, fanatic muslims whose presence is destableising india. the finger of suspicion against them will also be gone.this liberal democratic india would provide asylum to tasleema nasreen, salman rushdie. sania mirza would be cheered as our tennis triumpl. shah rukh khan, amir khan would be lionised and we would be free from the presence of the burqa skull capped brigade.

there are many parts of the country which can
be identified as muslim homelands. muslims there will probably be happier, free from problems
due to their interactions with people whom they disagree with.

they could and probably would live under sharia laws, and cultivate their religion as they please.

its a new idea, but it is simply following recent
similar developments in parts of the world.

split up between serbs and bosnians, greeks and turks, shias and christians seem to be the best possible solution. both sides have found liveing togather impossible.

increasingly europeans reject muslims in their plural societies. its best to admit that its time
to change. secular muslims would have lesser problems as well, after the fanatics ,terrorists and suicide bombers are excluded.
banitoadolfo
roma, Italy
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
51
Banito/Lalit,

>> At even this time Faruki and others like him,
have just brushed the killings of people in Mumbai and steered the debate to familiar attacks
on the Hindu parivar.

Actually it was you who brushed aside the horrible casualties in Mumbai and went back to your regularly scheduled Muslim bashing.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
50
The Hindu newspaper is upset over Antulay


http://www.hindu.com/20...es/2008122255421000.htm


Apparently it has become fascist and refuses to agree with Ram Puniyani that people have full right to express their opinion.

Here is what Puniyani wrote "not. Its time our columnists remember that in democracy the people have full right to express their opinions and doubts. As a matter of fact those hysterically browbeating those raising doubts are the one's who are undermining the nation's constitution. "

So the hindu paper is now undermining the nation's constitution. Shocking!!!!
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
49
India can not win the war against the islamic terrorism because largest muslim population lives in India. Terrorism is new name of islamic jehad which existed since the inception of islam. Congress will never be able to win any election without the votes of Muslims and muslims will never be able to forget their origin and loyalty towards Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. If india attacks pakistan then there are strong chances that AR Antulay, Digvijay, Singh, Amar Singh, Raj Thackeray, Lalu, Amar Singh, Mulayam Singh, Arjun Singh may support Pakistan and leak sensitive information to Pakistan which will prove costly to India. Almost 40% UPA leaders are islamists and will support pakistan because they want votes of Indian muslims.
Secular bastards are anti-nationals and should be sent to Pakistan now.
Mrs Bhanumati
Jhansi, UP, India, India
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
48
>>>> Nehru benefitted the most from the murder of Gandhi.
>> False!

Agree on this. Nehru was not the biggest gainer. He was the only gainer.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
47
"Antulay's statement that "superficially they (the terrorists) had no reason to kill Karkare. Whether he (Karkare) was a victim of terrorism or terrorism plus something, I do not know," implying that a thorough probe in to his death should be undertaken to clear the mist around his death. This does not imply any finger pointing but a mere doubt, which is lurking in the minds of many. This statement followed a vicious attack on him by many, especially by the Hindu right wing and a section of media. While many felt that the idea was to ensure that Truth comes out, the others felt that he should not only be sacked from his post but a case of treason be launched against him. While few voices like those of Digvijay Singh came to support Antulay statement and Maharashtra Assembly speaker Baba Saheb Kupekar said that since Maharashtra Government is setting up a probe into the allegations of negligence of the top level Police officers, that committee can very well probe the death of Hemant Karkare as well."

"What does one make of the ignoring crucial leads in the first place and then reacting angrily, with such passion to the innocuous demands of a probe? This burst of pseudo nationalism needs to be understood. It is the one which wants to intimidate the voice of reason and is primarily trying to stifle the democratic space. In Antulay's case he is also being hurled abuses by the same section, labeling him as Pakistan supporter and what not. Its time our columnists remember that in democracy the people have full right to express their opinions and doubts. As a matter of fact those hysterically browbeating those raising doubts are the one's who are undermining the nation's constitution. Definitely the most befitting tribute to the officers who have laid down their lives while protecting the society from the insane acts of terror, is to ensure that the truth of their death comes out and that Malegaon probe goes on properly." (Ram Puniyani).


http://communalism.blog...andling-queires-in.html

Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 22, 2008 12:00 AM
46
I read in the press that Abdul Rahman Antulay (hiding behind a Marathi surname) is a lawyer.

Well, great.

Some of his observations:
"the terrorists had no reason to kill Karkare".

Yeah, and they had good reason to slaughter dozens at VT station.

"He (Karkare) should have been at the Taj and Trident hotels where the action was"

Yeah. Plenty of action. Would Karkare have been met with garlands by the terrorists there, or a shower or rose petals?

"Who gave the orders for Karkare to rush towards Cama hospital (where,the terrorists had actually been)?

Since Abdul Ghafoor, is the commissioner of the police in Mumbai I presume he did. And I gather Abdul Ghafoor is not a "non muslim" but indeed of your community - investigate him then.
sandy
Mumbai, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
45
Hemant Karkare was an upright officer. But the present tense is to say that he might have been dead, but not his uprightness. That uprightness is not dead and many in the ATC are still upright. The way it is tomtommed, it seems only Karkare was upright and uprightness was finished with his death.
pear
mumbai, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
44
Hemant Karkare is an upright officer. After Malegaon case, he would have probed mumbai mayhem. And he would have caught many redhanded. That includes Dawood's helpers. Who wants upright officers?
pear
mumbai, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
43
Nasar, control yourself. You are betraying too much.
pear
mumbai, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
42
and yes this antulay has really inflicted the most harm any one else could have done, who actually needs enemies when the people of our community itself are on the paychecks of communal forces.
mohammed madan kumar
bahrain, Bahrain
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
41
BANITOADOLFO
ROMA ITALY

"The parivar or its supporters have never done anything of the sort. If they wanted to kill karkare, they have had ample time before 22nd november".

wow what a clean chit you have given, and i completely agree with you. killing of an unarmed, old man (gandhi) was just a stray incident, so was bringing down a masjid, than murders of many muslims post it was, than gujrat genocide was, than malegaon was also just a stray incident.

and yes why would you not support the very people that too from italy of musolini who find their ideals in nazism, who hail hitler their guru.

and yes truth shal win

satyamev jayte
mohammed madan kumar
bahrain, Bahrain
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
40
"The BJP and the commies tried to scuttle the deal. As many Muslims were for it as were against it."

Faruki called the BJP pseuodo-national for opposing the nuke deal. Now are all those muslims who opposed the nuke deal pseudo national as well??
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
39
All the talks of LET sleeper cells in India are grossly exaggerated. With people like Arundhati Roy and AR Antulay already present in India LET doesn't require any.
Sanjay
New Delhi, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
38
".Let an impartial probe is conducted to clear the doubts. "
NASAR

Any shred of evidence ? Zero ! ISI is the best impartial Agency .

Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
37
If Morarji Desai can become a PM at the age of 82 years anybody can in a democracy and there is nothing wrong in Antulay or Shahabuddin in serving the nation in politics in old age.Mr Verma first discredits Antulay and Shahabuddin which makes his task easier.One should not forget Mr.Verma has run away from his country to enjoy the luxries of another country.He undoubtedly belongs to the Hindutva brigade.He is writing this piece only to attack muslim personalities.Hindutva brigade is much more active in USA than in India though in a different way.They do everything like spreading the venomous fascist ideology and mobilise funds but violence, which is not possible.
RSS has penetrated the police,intelligence,military and judiciary.Even the opposition parties.Most of them are brhamins like Mr Verma.In such a sceanerio the first officer to catch the Sangh parivar activist is getting killed and there is nothing wrong in suspecting the death of this upright officer.Let an impartial probe is conducted to clear the doubts.
nasar
Raleigh, USA
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
36
There is no evidence in Antulay's Theory that Indian Police plotted the murder of its own Officers .Then why he is repeating persitingly the lies ?

1. Could be he is helping Pakistan a Muslim Country ?

2. Antulay's Daud connections ?

3. Why Indian Muslims are believing and perpetuating the lies ? None of them satnds up for the Nation ?

When Antulay went to offer Namaz staright from the Parliament the Namzies in Mosque recived him jubilantly .

4 Why the Muslim Terrorists and Lofgistic Cells of the ISI shelterd ,helped and finaced by Inbdian Muslims ?

Dawn "With Pakistan put in the dock in full public view and no one to defend it, the Mumbai horror is bound to recoil on the Indian Muslims among whom the government there would surely be seeking out local collaborators of the foreign attackers. In 1946, when the British finally decided to quit India, Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, a staunch supporter of India’s unity, cautioned Muslims that by supporting partition they would become aliens in their own country. What has come to pass over a period of 60 years is much worse."

IT IS NOT THE ACTIONS OF INDIAN MUSLIMS PRIOR 1947 BUT ACTIONS POST 1947 THAT HAVE MADE THEM ALIENS.

"n a long confrontation punctuated by wars the losers all round have been only the people of Pakistan and the Muslims of India. The Mumbai massacre has highlighted this fact and also underlined the need for the reversal of policies pursued so far. The controversy pertaining to culpability and evidence, as in past incidents, can lead nowhere."


http://www.dawn.com/2008/12/21/op.htm


Pakistan and Indian Muslims do the Indian Muslims want to be counted with Pakistan ??

Atleast Antulay and his supporters have aligned with Pakistan .
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
35
It will not be surprising in a ‘secular’ country India with persons like AR Antuley in the Union Cabinet that final punishment to culprits in infamous 26/11 terror-attack in Mumbai may never be there, like has till now happened with accused in Parliament-attack case. Untimely comments of AR Antuley in public will weaken India’s diplomatic stand against Pakistan at a time when all nations stood united with India against terrorism. His comments will also be of political advantage for BJP in opposition. Rather an enquiry is now necessary against AR Antuley whose irresponsible statement linking killing of ATS Chief with Malegaon accused will help both Pakistan and BJP. Even if AR Antuley had some doubt in regard to killing of Hemant Karkare, he could have conveyed these to his cabinet colleague in Union home Ministry or to investigating agencies rather than creating problems for the nation and his party through a public-statement. IT REMAINS FACT THAT ANTULEY’S REMARKS HAVE TEND TO CREATE A RELIGIOUS DIVIDE, AND HIS BASIC AIM WAS TO GAIN PROMINENCE IN MUSLIM COMMUNITY TO BE CROWNED AS ITS TOP-MOST LEADER.



It is indeed unfortunate that a Union Cabinet Minister has given such an irresponsible statement without going into forensic reports and other documents including statements of eye-witnesses and accused. Antuley like most politicians seemed more concerned about affluent victims of five-starred hotels rather than 62 commoners killed at CST and nearby places. It will be interesting to see if Prime Minister continues to bear burden of a Union Cabinet Minister creating embarrassing situation for his government and the nation.

SUBHASH CHANDRA AGRAWAL
Delhi, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
34
:Just to get even with Antulay, how can we hurt the feelings of a patriotic Indian muslim "

I am straining my ears to hear at least one patriotic Indian Muslm calling Antulay a lier ??
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
33
If we also behave like Arundhati, then what is the difference between us and her? We are on one hand criticising her for not seeing the bigger picture and being stubborn. Let us not follow her example and become narrow minded.
pear
mumbai, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
32
Blaming muslims of India en bloc is an unpatriotic thing as it assumes that all hindus are spotless. Most of the Indian muslims are highly liberal and highly patriotic. Just because there are a few bad coins, we cannot discard all the good coins. A person who really loves India will not want India to become a Kashmir claiming exclusivity. Some Indian muslims may agree with Antulay and so there are scores of Indians who agree with him. Just to get even with Antulay, how can we hurt the feelings of a patriotic Indian muslim. Patriotism is not the birthright of hindus only.
pear
mumbai, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
31
> Could be investigated to determine the reasons why he & his coleagues made that particular fatal choice.That is exactly what Antulay did ask for . So why this brouhaha?
Antulay the old fox may have his own political reasons for raising the matter as he did, but why go in a tangent to raise extraneous issues to just white wash policemen.
In another article in this issue of Outlook another policeman took up cudgels with Arundhati Roy.May be that Mrs Roy has overdone it this time. But can the issues she raises can be shoved under the carpet for long & let the soceity drift as it seems to be doing. Failing to take up the issues Roy raised, untimely though, this police man again went on a tangent & all he did was is to hoist his uniform. The problem is not with the uniform. The problem is with some men who wear them, many of whom brought disrepute to the uniform as they went about licking the politicians' boot, despite holding iron clad jobs, to protect their unearned priviledges.
These uniform bragging , politician bashing policemen do not have modesty to introspect why police men are equally hated as politicians by soceity at large.
These two policemen took an opprtunity such as the presnt one to do a whitewash job for their clan.
MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
30
>>"The BJP and the commies tried to scuttle the deal. As many Muslims were for it as were against it".

Right. Moslems have no real preferences or interests in economics or social welfare. They stay nuetral, support those who appease them. Their interest is only in landgrab for more mosques, pop-explo around them an, then, jihad to drive off or kill the others, until UMMA is estabished. Then, whole earth will be left behind as burial ground, all moslems and their post-nabhi followers souls will be taken, by Allah on judgement day, to the heaven of virgins, where their real life in eternal happiness will start. Good wishes to them.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
29
>> Yes good questions should be asked !

>But you are capable of asking only stupid ones!

So if the questions asked is not to your liking it becomes a stupid question.If Antulay or You can ask why Karkarre was sent to the Terroist scene (despite the fact he was the chief of ATS, so where else he should be) ? (The subtext being Hindus have done the terrorist attack)

You should also must ask Antulay's motivation for asking the question ? Since the question definitely released some pressure on Pakistan.
ANBanerjee
Newcastle, United Kingdom
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
28
Faruki

The fact of the matter is that muslims in India have become a insolveable issue. They are
always in the media for the wrong reasons. Their
loyalty is questioned in USA, Britain and wherever-even in Australia.

The whole world is not wrong. For every one pseudo secular or proislamist writer there are dozens who indict Islam and muslims.

I am not bothered by your opinion or that of Roy or Mehta. I think the true nationalists of India should just stay stop.

Stop, we will not listen to your treacherous harangues. If muslims attacked USA again, then their fate would be sealed in USA, despite all that you say .

After nineelleven 30,000 muslims-staying without
permission- were summarily deported from USA.

As is their nature muslims like you are playing hard against hard. Nothing seems to convince you that muslim terrorists can kill a few infidels and kaffirs, but then you and your kind will face a much greater revenge.

No one can debate with fanatics like you.
The worst about is not your hate,its your duplicity. we know pakistani,s are our enemies.
However for reasons of being correct you are spared this description.

India,s problem is that we are uneasy to call a spade a spade. No we deny Pakistani is attacking us. Dimwits go to Wagah and light candles.

We are not prepared to admit that many muslims in India are indeed more loyal to Islam then to us.

Should some of do so, then we are attacked by
the Roys, Mehtas and others.

However as the saying goes

Satyamweva Jayate.

banitoadolfo
roma, Italy
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
27
sivan

I presume you , and others who think like you would also have asked for a probe after nine elleven- many muslims -60 % believe that it
was a cia and mossad attempt to malign muslims.

Likewise many pakistani,s believe the same of the recent terror assault on Mumbai.

However some of the secular crowd believe
that -or want to believe- that the BJP, RSS were
responsible for the killing of Karkare.

This shows the enotmous hatred that these left
wingers, and proIslamic crowd have for the Hindu parivar. Either they are paranoid, or utterly malicious.

The parivar or its supporters have never done anything of the sort. If they wanted to kill karkare, they have had ample time before 22nd november.

Vir Sanghvi has written about this in Hindusthan Times, and he indicts Antulay in very strong term,s , for his shady past when he was summarily dismissed by Indira Gandhi for dubious
acts-

Today many of the proislamic parties have shed few tears for the killings of many innocents, but have diverted the whole debate from Pakistan
hand in these killings to parivars involvement
in Karkares death.

As Naipaul has said many muslims use all kinds
of arguments about free speech and democracy
to attack their opponents. At the same time they
are outraged when the same standards are used
aagainst them.

India is a devided country just it was before
1947. Again Islam and muslims have become a key
issue. It seems that the proislamic seculars are
prepared to destroy India to prove the guilt
of the Parivar, and to affirm their own virtues.

After the Russian revolution and after end of world war 2, Stalin dealt summarily with people
whom he suspected of disloyalty. They were shot or sent to the gulag.He would have a huge job in
hand if he was head of the govt at the centre
in Delhi.

At even this time Faruki and others like him,
have just brushed the killings of people in Mumbai and steered the debate to familiar attacks
on the Hindu parivar.

This proves my point. These people are the fifth column who will cheer on both sides of the road, should the Pakistani army march into India.

Gullible and not so gullible pseudo secularists
present a greater danger to India then Pakistan
and its other enemies.

banitoadolfo
roma, Italy
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
26
Shobha De wrote a much more provocative blog on Facebook about the terrorist attack being a sham. It was many times more provocative than what Antulay said. She worships Ganpati and praises Sachin and so all is forgiven.
pear
mumbai, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
25
Vine,

>> Democracy isn't actually alive if we insist that nobody should question the way a system works, but just try not to rock the boat no matter what objections they have.

Fully agree with you.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
24
Anwar: "In democratic countries such doubts would lead to special probes not only to ascertain the facts but also to lay those doubts to rest."

Absolutely. Instead, what we have is that those who raise these doubts and ask for probes get slammed and abused and lose their jobs. It was incredibly brave of Antulay to raise the question - and what a cheap shot for the article to begin by saying he's Muslim, as if that was relevant. He lost his job but at least he stood up for justice regardless of what he must have known he would lose personally.

>>>>In the politically charged atmosphere that accompanied both those incidents, a special probe would have only further vitiated the atmosphere, so I am not surprised by the goverment's decision to disallow special commissions to look into these events.

I find it deeply worrying that this "politically charged atmosphere" should actually be a reason to suspend democratic processes like commissions and probes - just because a vigilante mob may be let loose. By venting spleen upon those who use democratic channels (Antulay didn't set off a bomb, he asked for a probe) - people are just destroying their own democratic system.

Democracy isn't actually alive if we insist that nobody should question the way a system works, but just try not to rock the boat no matter what objections they have.
Vine Sivan
Kolkata, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
23
>> The enemies within tried every trick to scuttle the nuclear deal.

The BJP and the commies tried to scuttle the deal. As many Muslims were for it as were against it.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
22
Enemies within is a very relevant question. It is not cheap or yellow journalism. And it cannot be brushed aside. The enemies within tried every trick to scuttle the nuclear deal. Enemies within strenghten the fundamentalists of all hues. More than Pakistan, it is the enemies within who are doing more harm. Pakistan is only taking advantage of them. It is foolish to go for war. It is better to tackle the internal enemies effectively. And it is cost effective. We should not become Dhritarashtras whether it is mumbai terror or other terrors.
pear
mumbai, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
21
"It may not be too bright a question"

Thank Allah for the small mercies!!
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
20
"As Shri Abdur Rehman Antulay unintentionally reminded us last week, India has enemies within her borders that are more treacherous than those who come in boats from the sea." (Tavleen Singh).

She is wrong. Antulay, as a government minister, should not have raised the issue, but the question itself is not desh-drohi. It may not be too bright a question, but if Karkare was killed in the midst of his receiving multiple threats in relation to the Malegaon case, and if he was killed when he was in daily headlines, the question of a separate conspiracy, unrelated to the LeT Mumbai operation, was bound to arise. Anyone who did not expect that does not know us Indians. To raise the ugly question of "enemies within" is cheap and yellow journalism.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
19
>> Nehru benefitted the most from the murder of Gandhi.

False!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
18
Tavleen Singh, as usual, comes up with a sensible article


http://www.indianexpres...he-real-enemies/400963/


"As Shri Abdur Rehman Antulay unintentionally reminded us last week, India has enemies within her borders that are more treacherous than those who come in boats from the sea."

"In Pakistan, he is the newest hero."

"At least he stops there. A famous Indian novelist—whose name I will not take because it would defile this column—goes further. In the latest of her series of hysterical diatribes against India and all things Indian, she justifies the attacks on Mumbai."

"Anyone with basic knowledge of the Indian sub-continent should know that it is not possible for groups like the Jaish-e-Mohammed and the Lashkar-e-Toiba to survive in India. Yet, our enemies within persist in spreading the canard that these violent Islamist groups are no different from the Bajrang Dal. You would have to be a real fool to believe this but because the message is spread by credible ‘intellectuals’ of leftist persuasion, it is believed by gullible Western journalists."
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
17
"But the question itself has wide currency, and however bizarre the question may be, it is a sign of healthy democracy that such questions get asked."

In the spirit of healthy democracy, let me ask this question. Nehru benefitted the most from the murder of Gandhi. Did he have anything to do with it?

Healthy democratic spirit!!
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
16
>> Yes good questions should be asked !

But you are capable of asking only stupid ones!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
15
>> the fact remains that widespread doubt exist in regard to both those cases.

What a surprise?

>> In democratic countries such doubts would lead to special probes not only to ascertain the facts but also to lay those doubts to rest.

And you think if a probe establishes that all such doubts are misplaced, the doubters shall accept the results?

>> However the Prime Ministerial candidate himself had come down heavily on Karkare's taking on the Abhinav Bharat suspects and had demanded that the case be removed from the hands of the Maharashtra ATS.

Advani had criticized the reports of torture, and the lack of process followed by ATS. While I do agree that he (and the rest of the BJP) should have kept their nose out of the investigation, it's good that at least someone spoke up for the unprofessional approach of the ATS, particularly when the usual busy bodies (look how they have suddenly sprung out of their moth holes, supporting Kasab's right to a fair trial), were curiously silent on the rampant use of narco tests, allegations of torture, and the use of MCOCA.

Just like the death of ATS officers should not remove the focus from Malegaon blasts, it should also not remove focus from the unprofessional investigation and media trial conducted by ATS.

>> This article is a biased take on the issue and seems like a personal attack on Antulay.

99% of the articles in Outlook are biased. This is one of the more reasonable ones. You would have applauded it, had it skirted Antulay altogether, and focused on Abhinav Bharat only. That would have been balanced for you.

>> But the question itself has wide currency, and however bizarre the question may be, it is a sign of healthy democracy that such questions get asked.

But if BJP says torture allegations and violations of processes by ATS must be investigated, then that is not sign of healthy democracy. That is the sign of their communalism.

Typical liberal crap!
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
14
So much for the unity in the war against terror.


http://www.indianexpres...m-says-congress/400920/


Congressi defn of unity is of course that everyone must agree with their view. They can continue to play politics over laws, investigations, allegations against opposition, and selection of their own leaders in the fight against terror. The opposition is expected to keep its mouth shut and give mundane statements supporting the govt's efforts (or non-efforts).
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
13
>> Pakistan is not that stupid to pay for garbage like Antulay.

That's right. Why pay someone when he is willing to do the job for free?

Just like before partition, when most leaders of the Muslim league were ex-Congressmen. History is repeating itself.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
12
Think! Elections is not due in Maharashtra or India very soon (atleast 6 Mths from now) so it cannot be elections.

Look the circumstantial evidence against Antulay:
1) Pakistan is under UNSC pressure
2) Today the Govt announced that Military option is still open.
3) Antulay as a minister must have been in the cabinate meeting where it was deceided.
4) if he was in the pay, he had communicated this to Pakistan and they must have instucted to make a diversion

BUT these as I said are circumstantial evidence, need to follow the money trail.
ANBanerjee
Newcastle, United Kingdom
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
11
Yes, Pakistan is not a stupid to pay for Antulay.
Also, the hindutva leaders who are pin-pointed only by Karkare, is not a person paid by Pakistan. Then, why these two persons are targeted ?
Is it due to the mere cause of elections ?
Arvind
Chennai, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
10
"1) Whether Antulay and ShahBuddin are in paybooks of the Pakistanis ?"

Pakistan is not that stupid to pay for garbage like Antulay.

Like the communists, they take the anti-national position by default. Nobody needs to pay them. You catch a crab and it bites by reflex. The same applies to Antulay and co.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
9
Is it all that pakistan can do ?

http://www.daily.pk/pol...-it-lashker-or-bjp.html

But, why was Karkare pushed into the death hole, before the two days for a case discussion on the Malegon blast ?
Why is Modi very much interested towards these issue, although his State is in under-development.
Arvind
Chennai, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
8
Yes good questions should be asked ! now how about asking the question
1) Whether Antulay and ShahBuddin are in paybooks of the Pakistanis ? How about a CBI investigation on that ?

Or is it simply the syndrome on Islamic Imperialism

ANBanerjee
Newcastle, United Kingdom
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
7
no opportunity will be lost by some muslims-who
hate the parivar- to throw mud at them.

the congress men like digvijay singh and others
will side with them.

hatred for the parivar is so great, that they
would even make a common front with pakistani,s
against them. i dont blame antulay or shahubudin.
they are close to fellow muslims in pakistan. it
would be against their innermost loyalty to brother muslims.

india has enemies outside and a fifth column inside. the govt is headed by sonia gandhi who also hates the parivar. they are the ones who
stand between rahul gandhi and the post of the
next pm of india.

banitoadolfo
roma, Italy
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
6
While I do not share the doubts of the Muslim community on either the Karkare or the Batla House case, the fact remains that widespread doubt exist in regard to both those cases. In democratic countries such doubts would lead to special probes not only to ascertain the facts but also to lay those doubts to rest. In the politically charged atmosphere that accompanied both those incidents, a special probe would have only further vitiated the atmosphere, so I am not surprised by the goverment's decision to disallow special commissions to look into these events. While expressing doubts and questioning the government are normal processes in a democracy, I agree that it is not appropriate for a government minister to raise such an issue. However the Prime Ministerial candidate himself had come down heavily on Karkare's taking on the Abhinav Bharat suspects and had demanded that the case be removed from the hands of the Maharashtra ATS. This article is a biased take on the issue and seems like a personal attack on Antulay. Granted that a government minister should not embarrass his own government. But the question itself has wide currency, and however bizarre the question may be, it is a sign of healthy democracy that such questions get asked.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
5
>>There is only solution to this controversy. Both the great nationalists, Mr. Antulay and Mr. Shahbuddin should be tried for sedition.

I totally agree. I will add one more name: Arundhati Roy.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
4
Pathetic atemt to fudge isue in order to save congressi a$$ noone from BJp has questioned the ifficial version of karkare'a death.. BJP rightly wuetioned the instance of mumbai ATs shooting its mouth that samjhauta express was done by col pandit and when shown the evidence wihtin 24 hours they took u turn.. that was politics written all over it
Rahul
Delhi, India
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
3
Demonizing Innocent Muslims is quite common so to balance it up the not so innocent Muslims and the left have to have some reason/opportunity to demonize Innocent Hindus. Malegoan Blast ignited the pyre and to keep it burning they needed something more. Voila !!! Mumbai terror attack and subsequent killings of Kerkare was more than sufficient to build their case. The Maharastra is ruled by COngress and the Central GOvt. is run by COngress and they have access to CBI,IB etc., they have to use this and prove or disprove this consipiricy theory.
Venkatesh
Sunnyvale, United States
Dec 21, 2008 12:00 AM
2
There is only solution to this controversy. Both the great nationalists, Mr. Antulay and Mr. Shahbuddin should be tried for sedition. And, charges be pressed against them, at the earliest. Also, the state should try and ensure the maximum punishment, for the same.
It is a congizable offence, and the BJP should put the process in motion, by filing an FIR, in the closest police station, at the earliest.
sanveer
Delhi, India
Dec 20, 2008 12:00 AM
1
This Hemant Karkare case is becoming a Sherlock Holmes mystery. There may be a third angle to it. The way all the three went together may be to boost the rescue operations. And a minor police man is alive to tell the story. This will be a lesson for the police to be more careful. Even ordinary people were randomely killed during that time. The mission was to kill maximum number of people to create a state of panic.
pear
mumbai, India
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