Parliament Debate
'Please Stop Running To Mummy'
'Not an eye-for-an-eye, not a tooth-for-a-tooth. That is completely wrong. For an eye, both eyes! For a tooth, the whole jaw! Unless India has that determination and that clarity, we will continue to bleed like this all the time.'
Parliament Debate
'Given the nature of the threat, we cannot go back to "business as usual". In the next few weeks and months, it will be my endeavour to take certain hard decisions and prepare the country and the people to face the challenge of terrorism'
P. Chidambaram
Parliament Debate
'Let it be clearly understood by the enemies of India that in this War against Terror, the government and the opposition are united, all castes and communities are united, all of India is united'
L.K. Advani
Parliament Debate
'Law in Pakistan is the same as the Indian Penal Code. They might have been renamed, but criminal laws are the same. In criminal cases there are two kinds of custody that could be contemplated - one is judicial custody and the other is police custody. Is it a convincing step?'
Pranab Mukherjee
Parliament Debate
'...Policeman, usually an overworked policeman, usually a policeman who is working about 12 to 14 hours a day, a policeman whose housing is in very poor condition, a policeman who occasionally falters, it is that policeman who is willing to lay down his life to save the lives of many other Indians'
P. Chidambaram
Parliament Debate
'... to our people that these dastardly acts could not be prevented... We will not countenance a situation in which the safety and security of our citizens are violated with impunity by terrorists or other militant forces.'
Manmohan Singh
Parliament Debate
'... with the Indo-US Nuclear deal, with the strategic partnership that you are building with the USA, are you prepared to face the threats of Taliban and Al Qaeda reaching our shores? The attacks will come from outside India because you are seen as a strategic ally of the USA?'
Sitaram Yechuri
Parliament Debate
'And, if they do not act, then, it cannot be expected that there will be business as usual. There will be some sort of situation which we do not want...'
Pranab Mukherjee
Parliament Debate
'....the perpetrators of terrorist acts cannot go unpunished. There is a cost and they must realise there will be a cost.. We must have the right to defend ourselves, we have a right to protect ourselves and we will do that. At the same time, we do not wish ill on the people of Pakistan...'
P. Chidambaram
Parliament Resloution
Unanimous resolution passed in both houses
Lok Sabha, Rajya Sabha
Rajya Sabha debate -- unedited, verbatim

Mr. Chairman, Sir, the Prime Minister and my dear friends, Sir, I think, I can speak for everyone that the entire House is with the Government in the effective steps that it may take in fighting terrorism; and it is wonderful, Sir, you have suspended the Question Hour today to alert the country about the urgency of the matter, and the appeal which the State Home Minister has made for unity in the country in fighting this menace is entirely welcome.....and all of us endorse that appeal. But, Sir, the effective steps have to be taken. The Minister of State for Home Affairs has just read out a Statement in which a number of steps, which were required and which have been urged time and again, have, at last, found a mention and an endorsement by the Government. I welcome that, and I will supplement that list, Sir. I hope that you will proceed on those lines as you do, and I am sure that you will find the entire House with you. 

Before I come to making suggestions, I very much want to compliment the Government on the initiative which has yielded fruit just now. I have just seen, Sir, through Mr. Jaswant Singh's office, a report of rediff.com that 'because of the initiative that has been taken, the United Nations Security Council has placed sanctions on the Pakistan based Jamaat-ud-Dawa, which is just an altered name of Lashkar-e-Toiba, and the four top leaders of LeT, including Hafiz Mohammad Saeed whose vituperations against India have not been acceded by anybody. He and three others, including Lakhvi, have been declared 'terrorists' by the Security Council, and their assets have been frozen. In all such initiatives, Sir, the entire House, indeed the entire country, will be with you.

Sir, nine facts stand out in much of what the Minister of State has just read out. Those are, actually, things that are already known. But there are nine facts which stand out about this incident. The first of these is exactly what our attention has been drawn to by my friends from Assam, and to which the Prime Minister has so graciously responded just now. Sir, this is a sort of thing which is happening every month, every two months. In the count that Mr. Jaswant Singh and I made of the incidents that have happened only in 2008--I am not going to blame the Government, and so on, but please see this as a national problem--in 2008 alone--I could have picked up any other year--there were 49 such incidents in 19 cities; about 2,525 people have been killed in these incidents.

Sir, the second fact is that this is happening right across the country. Now, we have seen that these actual incidents have happened everywhere. But there is another telling fact which the people who follow terrorism, and this is what the Government reveals from time to time, know that in just two years, from 2004 to 2006, 81 modules were busted by our intelligence agencies. These were ISI modules in the country, all over the country; 81. These exclude the modules in J&K and the North-East. So, you can see their reach which they have been able to get. Now, we compliment the intelligence agencies, and I am sure that, because these modules were busted, many such incidents were prevented. But the fact that they were busted is a testimony to the fact that they exist, and that one of the most lethal espionage and terrorist agencies in the world, ISI, has been able to get that penetration into India.

The third fact that stands out in that, Sir,--and the Minister has just read out the Statement in which he also said that--is that the finger of suspicion points to Pakistan or to actors within Pakistan. But the first point to remember in that, Sir, is that of its 60 years of existence, Pakistan, for 50 years, has been under the heel of the army. I think that none of us, in India, can realise the terror and the pervasiveness of ISI in Pakistani state and society. Therefore, to imagine that Lashkar-e-Toiba or any other agency could do things without the knowledge, patronage, guidance, training and equipment of ISI, is to live in a fool's paradise.

Sir, Mr. Jaswant Singh has always been emphasising it and the Americans have said, not particularly they are dependent on the Pakistanis, that the attack on the Indian Embassy in Kabul was the handiwork of the ISI and the attack on our Embassy is an attack on the country. You will see the operational significance of this when I just come to what the Government has been doing, without criticising the Government, what India has been doing.

The fourth fact, Sir, is that in these circumstances to ask Pakistan to help nail the masterminds just does not make sense. To ask Mr.Zardari, the Pakistan President, to do anything like this is meaningless. On the one hand, we are being told that Mr. Zardari is not in control of these agencies and, on the other, we are being told that we are appealing to him, "Please help; please send the Director-General of the ISI here". This is the Zardari who, for getting the killers of his own wife identified, did not trust the Pakistani investigators. He got the Scotland Yard there. He appealed to the United Nations. And we are appealing to him! This is only to set up India in this manner and to put faith in the statement of such persons. It is a pathology in India to look for some straw of a statement on which to hang our hopes. Mr. Musharraf came here. He said, "mai is baar nayaa dil le ke aayaa huuN", and all sorts of acclamations to that. Similar is, just now, the statement of Mr. Zardari that the fellows causing all the trouble in Jammu and Kashmir are terrorists. Again, great acclamations and hope, and the moment these things came in India, Ms. Sherry Rehman, the Minister of Information there, immediately issued a statement that the President had never called the legitimate struggle of Kashmiris an expression of terrorism and she reiterated that support for Kashmir's struggle for selfdetermination has been a consistent position of the Pakistan People's Party for 40 years. Therefore, in these circumstances, to invite Pakistan to come here for even discussions to put hope in the so-called joint mechanism for fighting and investigating terror is to fool oneself. Actually, it is worse than fooling oneself, because it means that you put them in the place of judges. They will say whether our evidence is adequate or not.

Sir, the fifth point that comes out is that no one in Pakistan has suffered for the 50,000-60,000 people who have been killed since the early eighties in India by Pakistan-sponsored action and what the Minister of State for Home Affairs has just read out has to be seen in the light of the fact that his very Ministry has been placing in Parliament papers saying that infrastructure for terrorism in Pakistan has not been rolled up at all. "Dismantled" is the precise word. There is a Status Paper on internal security situation which was presented by Mr. Shivraj Patil to the Parliament on 30th November. It says that the terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan and PoK is yet to be dismantled and is being used by Pakistan-based and Pakistan ISI sponsored outfits like Jaish-e- Mohammad, Lashkar-e-Toiba, Al Badr, Hizb-ul-Mujahideen, etc., and they want to do nothing about it. Why? Because these organisations are the instruments of the ISI and the Pakistan Army. When there was international pressure on them, they made a show of it. Mr. Musharraf banned these organisations, and the Pakistani newspapers immediately published the old name and the new name. Their offices continued in the same way and their meetings for collection of donations for terrorism continued in the same way.

[And it wasn't as if they were operating from some bank account that could be freezed] So to repose hope is to put ourselves in for difficulties. The sixth point that comes out is local help. Yes, these are ISI inspired; they are ISI orchestrated. Their principal instruments are Lashker-e-tayeba, etc. But none of this could have happened without local help. Just see what the Home Minister has revealed. They come to Colaba. They must know something about the coastline. They immediately know where to go for the targets, which he has just listed out. Within the hotels, as everybody has said, they knew the entire layout. They went into the Taj Hotel, precisely to the place where the Manager's wife and two children were. How could that be known from satellite photographs or to somebody sitting in Karachi? So, it was because of the local help. And we are politically hamstrung in pursuing that and talking openly about it.

The seventh point is -- it is a very important point -- as you have just said about the Coast Guard and so on, it has been established, time and again, that these agencies abroad and these networks abroad like Lashker-e-tayeba, use existing channels, for instance, of smugglers. I only have to remind you, because we are talking about Mumbai, that in 1993, it has been established by the Government that 1,800 kilograms of RDX and other arms and ammunitions also were smuggled into India by using those smuggler's networks. Just to get a ban there is a wonderful first step, but unless we get at these networks and the existing channels -- I will come to that as to what we are doing in this regard a little later -- we will never get anywhere.

Sir, I completely endorse what the Home Minister has said that the entire nation feels grateful for the bravery and the sacrifice of our poor NSG people and the other security personnel. The fact of the matter is, if you look at the institutional response to the attack, there was much to be desired, not because of the fault of any individual in the Forces. In the first account, when the poor Mumbai policemen and the Mumbai Anti Terrorist Squad got there with their exemplary courage, you should have seen their arms and unpreparedness. I have tried to make a timeline of the whole sequence. Even the Naval Commandos, who were in Mumbai, were not called and did not come to the scene till two hours after the attack. Everybody, who has studied terrorism, knows that whatever you have to do to neutralise the terrorist plans can only be done in the first few minutes. After that they have already succeeded. I am very happy that the Home Minister, at last, has acceded to requests and entreaties from many quarters for many years that there must be many NSG hubs. What has happened, Sir? Sir, from the timeline that I have been able to establish, it took three hours for the Government to decide to deploy the NSG. Whether it is because of the late request from Mumbai or because of decision-making here, I do not want to cast any aspersions. But it took three hours. After that it took five-and-a-half hours, a total of nine hours, before our specialised Force was able to reach there. When they reached there, after nine hours of the beginning of the assault, they were blind. They did not have maps of the hotels and targets.

The ninth fact, which has now been acknowledged here on page 3 of the statement, which the Home Minister has read out, is about Intelligence reports actually having come. There are many qualifications to what has been acknowledged. But if you see para 12, it says: "Intelligence, regarding a suspected LeT vessel attempting to infiltrate through the sea route, was shared with the Coast Guard..." And then, of course, what the Navy did or did not do. There have been earlier reports, and the Home Minister says that it is not right for him to comment on them. But the fact of the matter is that it has been leaked by intelligence agencies that there were intercepts that these two hotels would be among the targets. The third factor, which has now been acknowledged, is that the coordinates of this vessel were given the information. You say now that, at that moment, it was in the Pakistani territory. But you also say that it was two days earlier. Do you mean that nothing happened after that? Somebody has said, "Here is the Lashkar-e-Toiba vehicle. Hijack it." And we can just forget about it, [ke abhii to Pakistan ke waters meN hai..that it is still in Pakistan waters]

So, intelligence was given. Yet what was our response? Again, I am not blaming anybody. I am requesting everybody to kindly look upon it as an institutional matter of what we have to strengthen and what we are up against. And the fact that the Intelligence has been saying all these for a long time is evident from very, very high, and I say, heavy quarters. I will read out to you how much advance warning the Government has been giving to other people. In the annual meeting in November, 2006, -- the Home Minister has an annual meeting with the Director-Generals of Police and the Inspector General of Police -- which the Prime Minister also was kind enough to address, the Home Minister tells them, "Our coastal areas are coming under increased threat from terrorist groups which have decided to use the sea route to infiltrate into India. They also plan to induct arms and ammunitions through the sea routes." That was in November, 2006. Then, he says: "Some Lashkar-e-Toiba operatives are also being trained specifically for sabotage, etc. There are plans to occupy some uninhabited islands of the country's coastline to use them as basis for launching operations on the Indian coast." What I want you to remember in this is that these things could not have been said off-hand. I will come to several of these; [koii alhaam to aa nahii rahaa thaa], that by a certain revelation, the Ministers were saying all these things. 

As everyone knows, from ground intelligence, things must have gone upwards, and then, it made it, through the bureaucratic ladder, into the Home Minister's statement. This was in November, 2006. Then, on 8th March, 2007, the Home Minister was asked in the Lok Sabha: Whether intelligence agencies have warned about the possibility of terrorists trying to infiltrate through the sea route and trying to target offshore installations." The answer was: "Yes, Sir. There are reports about terrorists of various tanzeems being imparted training and likelihood of their infiltration through sea routes." He was then asked: "Whether maritime terrorism, gun-running, drug-trafficking and piracy are major threats which India is facing from the sea borders of the country?" His answer was: "Yes, Sir." Then, we come to 9th May, 2007, what he said in this very House. On 9th May, 2007, the Home Minister was asked in the Rajya Sabha: "Is it a fact that there are strong apprehensions of terrorist threats to the country through the sea route?" He says: "As per available reports, Pak based terrorist groups, particularly LeT, have been exploring possibilities of induction of manpower and terrorist hardware through the sea route." Then, on 8th December, 2007, the National Security Advisor, Shri M.K. Narayanan, was educating the world at Manama, in the Middle-East, at a Security Conference. He says, "According to our intelligence reports, there are now certain new schools that are being established on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border which now specialise in the training of an international brigade of terrorists to fight in many climes. According to our information, recruits from 14 to 15 countries have come."

Then, he says, "The sea route, in particular, is becoming the chosen route for carrying out many attacks, even on land. References to this are to be found replete in current terrorist literature. I would like, therefore, to sound a note of warning" -- he is telling other people -- "that there is no scope for complacency." Sir, that is in 2007, December. Now, on 11th March, 2008, Mr. A.K. Antony, the Defence Minister, also addresses the same thing. He is addressing the International Maritime Search and Rescue Conference in Delhi. He says that the dangers of terror attacks from the sea in the region are now mounting, and he says, what you are now acknowledging, Sir, that you are taking steps, he says then, a year ago, that the Coast Guard has deficiencies, but as bureaucrats say, all necessary steps are being taken.

Then, Sir, I come to the Prime Minister himself, and his alertness in these matters. On the 13th November, 2008, just a fortnight before the assaults, he is educating the BIMSTEC leaders that terrorism and threats from the sea continue to challenge the authority of the State. But, that is just a fortnight before the assaults. But, on the 22nd November, 2008, four days before the assaults, the Home Minister is addressing the Directors-General of Police again, and he says, "To control terrorism in the hinterland, we have to see that infiltration of terrorists from other countries does not take place through the sea route." [Arre, aap kisko kah rahe ho? Hey, who are you saying this to?

"Or through the borders between India and... you can't say Bangladesh, friendly countries. The coast lines also had to be guarded through the Navy, the Coast Guard and the Coastal Police." I am reading this because that is the context in which we must now see the new assurances which have been given, whether they will also become like this. "The States' Special Branches and the CID should identify the persons forming part of the sleeper cells and lodging in cities and towns and studying in educational institutions" -- they got those fake passes of educational institutions -- "and working in industries and professions." Sir, they are not consultants to the Government; they are the Government. [You are saying this to the states…] But, it is the IB's job to identify these. Sir, I want to supplement this by drawing the attention of the House to the fog of unreality in which all this is being done. [I just read out the statement of the hon home minister that he had given on November 22, 2008. Now look at the facts of that day.] On the 25th and 26th November, 2008, that is, very literally on the eve of these attacks, our Home Secretary and his entire senior team was in Islamabad for a Joint Conference with the Secretary, Interior of the Pakistan Government. In their joint statement, what do they say? Now just see what is our psychology? This Joint Statement is issued on 26th November, 2008. Just now, Sir, you said that the terrorists came in those inflatable boats between 8.00 and 8.30.Now let's see what statement was given there, after gol gappas

"The meeting was held in a cordial and friendly atmosphere. Both sides discussed the issues related to terrorism and drug trafficking and reviewed the implementation of decisions taken during the last round." Now, see, "Both sides noted with satisfaction the progress made and identified ways to further promote cooperation in a number of areas. Both sides condemned terrorism in all its forms and manifestations." [And they are organising!] "Both sides condemned terrorism in all its forms and manifestations and affirmed their resolve", as just now we have been asked to affirm our resolve, "to cooperate with each other to combat the menace of terrorism."

Exactly these are the words that have been used for Assam.

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Parliament Debate
'Given the nature of the threat, we cannot go back to "business as usual". In the next few weeks and months, it will be my endeavour to take certain hard decisions and prepare the country and the people to face the challenge of terrorism'
P. Chidambaram
Parliament Debate
'Let it be clearly understood by the enemies of India that in this War against Terror, the government and the opposition are united, all castes and communities are united, all of India is united'
L.K. Advani
Parliament Debate
'Law in Pakistan is the same as the Indian Penal Code. They might have been renamed, but criminal laws are the same. In criminal cases there are two kinds of custody that could be contemplated - one is judicial custody and the other is police custody. Is it a convincing step?'
Pranab Mukherjee
Parliament Debate
'...Policeman, usually an overworked policeman, usually a policeman who is working about 12 to 14 hours a day, a policeman whose housing is in very poor condition, a policeman who occasionally falters, it is that policeman who is willing to lay down his life to save the lives of many other Indians'
P. Chidambaram
Parliament Debate
'... to our people that these dastardly acts could not be prevented... We will not countenance a situation in which the safety and security of our citizens are violated with impunity by terrorists or other militant forces.'
Manmohan Singh
Parliament Debate
'... with the Indo-US Nuclear deal, with the strategic partnership that you are building with the USA, are you prepared to face the threats of Taliban and Al Qaeda reaching our shores? The attacks will come from outside India because you are seen as a strategic ally of the USA?'
Sitaram Yechuri
Parliament Debate
'And, if they do not act, then, it cannot be expected that there will be business as usual. There will be some sort of situation which we do not want...'
Pranab Mukherjee
Parliament Debate
'....the perpetrators of terrorist acts cannot go unpunished. There is a cost and they must realise there will be a cost.. We must have the right to defend ourselves, we have a right to protect ourselves and we will do that. At the same time, we do not wish ill on the people of Pakistan...'
P. Chidambaram
Parliament Resloution
Unanimous resolution passed in both houses
Lok Sabha, Rajya Sabha
 
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Jan 25, 2009 12:00 AM
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>> She is a dyed-in-wool zionist and saffronite.

Also, this is just your opinion. Not necessarily the truth. The wikipedia entry about her is quite different

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvette_Rosser


She is a co-creator of the International Day Without Violence held on April 4.[1]

Rosser is co-founder of the "G M Syed Memorial Committee".[2] Its objectives are to educate the international community about G. M. Syed's message of non-violence, democracy, secularism, and the right to self-determination for Sindhis and other oppressed nations, and to advocate and support other organizations promoting human rights, religious tolerance, environmental responsibility, equal rights for women and religious minorities, as well as conflict resolution and peaceful initiatives in Sindh.

She is also on the advisory board of the Baacha Khan Research Centre in Baacha Khan Markaz, Peshawar; and founder of the Badshah Khan Peace Initiative (BKPI), a worldwide movement to promote the life's teachings of Abdul Ghaffar Khan.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Jan 25, 2009 12:00 AM
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>> She is a dyed-in-wool zionist and saffronite.

Even if she is, the only thing that matters here is if what she writes is correct or not.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Jan 25, 2009 12:00 AM
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Bundy:

Thanks for the Yvette Rosser article. It was really good.

I have read some of her articles in sulekha and she is pretty good. Knows her stuff.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Jan 25, 2009 12:00 AM
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>> Very interesting article on .... the "eminent" historians.

About two years ago I exchanged some e-mails with Yvette Rosser. She is a dyed-in-wool zionist and saffronite.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Jan 25, 2009 12:00 AM
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http://indianrealist.wo...rians-the-enemy-within/


Very interesting article on the low ball tactics, prejudices and tricks employed by the "eminent" historians. Good that most of these idiots have one leg in the grave, and we shall be rid of them soon. Hope that the younger crowd is more honest.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 19, 2008 12:00 AM
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Varun ... What is happening is rage alright, Shourie's included, but it seems to be "impotent rage". IMHO, this kind of rage only consumes you .. doesn't at all hurt the guy towards whom the rage is directed. This is what is happening by and large in the islamic world today. I don't think we want to walk that path.

Enraged but quietly we ought to be working on finding ways in our control to inflict downside directly on the foreign Jihadi leadership where it hurts them. It should be done not just reactively but also proactively with timing of our choosing. I hope some people in the intelligence/military are quietly but surely working on it.

The other is also the rage being directed to improve our own basic "rule of law" - the foundation on which any security can be built.

Israel seems to have got this balance reasonably. May be because they have gone thru such horrendous things, that "never again" is a long established reality not an abstract thing. We have just got the language of "enough is enough" and even there more for abstract TV debates.
Arun Maheshwari
Bangalore, India
Dec 18, 2008 12:00 AM
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If Shourie is, going by Baruah, displaying a bestial mindset, that's because he, like most Indians is absolutely disgusted and fed-up with these seemingly endless terrorist attacks sponsored by Pakistan. Probably any two of those terrorist attacks would have caused the US or UK to go to war. So Shourie's anger is justified. It represents India. The communists in Bengal don't really represent India; had China experienced even one-tenth the terror India has, they would be cheering China on to extract vengeance of the kind Shourie is supposedly demanding.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 18, 2008 12:00 AM
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Arun Shourie war cry of "For an eye, both eyes! For a tooth, the whole jaw!" smacks of his bestial mindsee which is hort sighted and he quotes Buddha's phrase, 'with the urgency of a man whose hair are on fire'totally out of context. I kind of enjoy the commentators of this post crossing swords and even calling names...and I am glad to see that Anwar Patel, who always kept up his fight singlehandedly,now has a comrade in arms in Mohammed Madan Kumar...Keep it up folks..
Shyamal Barua
kolkata, India
Dec 18, 2008 12:00 AM
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Why is this man not the PM? Oops I forgot, India is a demo-crazy and this guy can't get votes. But if that's the case, the weak-kneed sardar also shouldn't be the PM, right? Ah but sardar was a chamcha and this man isn't PLUS he is in a party that doesn't reward chamchas.
ARVIND
ROCHESTER, United States
Dec 17, 2008 12:00 AM
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MOHAMMED MADAN KUMAR

suna hi tha ki naya naya mulla allah hi allah pukarta hai...ab dekh bhi liya...
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Dec 17, 2008 12:00 AM
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Mr. Sheshadhari"

"I think. Some non-moslems men in india might be converting to islam only for polygamay possibilities. Seeing islam as caste-free is also only imagined, status dfferences continue among moslems also."

what a foolish justification, and when did hindus abstain from polygamy, it was only recently when hindu marriage act was formed, just read your all your fantasy books e.g. ramayana, mahabarata, every body had many wives even dassaratha had four wives and whats bad in that.

tell me how many muslims you know who has more than one wife, this phenomenon might be prevalent in middle-east and have never seen in india, but yes i do know there are some famous hindus who are married 2 wives e.g. dharmandra the actor, raja reddy the kuchipudi dancer.
mohammed madan kumar
bahrain, Bahrain
Dec 17, 2008 12:00 AM
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mr. sheshadri

you must be really living in a fool's paradise, coz you pose as a very intelligent guy but you fail to admit the reality, do a google and find how many people embrace islam when its so tough to be a muslim.

and remember a muslims don't tell lie, its you and only, and you being a madrassi, you must be having lots of madrassi in uk, us ask them.

and do read quran, get clarity
mohammed madan kumar
bahrain, Bahrain
Dec 17, 2008 12:00 AM
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mr. venkat

what were you doing in those 60 hours, why dont you tell me when you were still in india, and all of your ilk, and why should not he your thakerya and advani et al clan did not go to fight them, and the perpetrators were neither mulims, nor do represent islam.

but yes thakerays and togadias are the true face of hinduism, period
mohammed madan kumar
bahrain, Bahrain
Dec 17, 2008 12:00 AM
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Lalit, >> we do not need advice from faruki.

Which advice did I give you?

Seshadri (to Lalit) >> You are right.

Right about what?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 17, 2008 12:00 AM
28
Lalit::>>"we do not need advice from faruki. its
blatant impertinence, he should mind his own business".

You are right.

v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 16, 2008 12:00 AM
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MMK:>>"islam only the religion which is attracting people even now after 1400 years ins pite of all the bad press, bad activities of terrorist in its name, propagandas"

False statement, I think. Some non-moslems men in india might be converting to islam only for polygamay possibilities. Seeing islam as caste-free is also only imagined, status dfferences continue among moslems also.

>>"you tell me why whites are becoming muslims in huge number in america even after 9-11".

False statement only. Even this MMK may be only a mohammed ayub khan, pretentively posting as mohammed madan kumar! Perhaps, paid for it, by some jislamists in bahrain.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 16, 2008 12:00 AM
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"'Please Stop Running To Mummy'"

Dear Mr Shourie do we have a choice. You are part of the genuises (genie-asses) who have given us a situation where a crumbling little pesky neighbor has military parity - leaving us with no stick (and carrots were never there anyways). I don't know what the benefit of going overtly nuclear was to national interest but I know the downside - a neighbor who isn't worth treating more than like an annoying "fly on your butt" has become a "royal pain in the butt" and we can't do anything about it except "cry mummy". Stupid is a thought that does come to mind for showing our muscle when not required and now not (never) able to show when required.
Arun Maheshwari
Bangalore, India
Dec 16, 2008 12:00 AM
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MOHAMMED MADAN KUMAR
BAHRAIN BAHRAIN
i understand your plight, you had to convert to stay there in baharain.
venkat
bengaluru, India
Dec 16, 2008 12:00 AM
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MOHAMMED MADAN KUMAR
BAHRAIN BAHRAIN

My dear hinduism is way of life with pricnciples it has never said it is a particular religion or particular god to be followed.

Why bal thackeray or raj thackeray should go and fight terrorists, why not you, you had 60 hrs of time to come back to mumbai from baharain and fight terrorists (you new brothers in arm) why didnt you come, are you not patriotic?, dont you love your country?.

####who killed a man who never ever even touched a pistol and then you have shameless guts to even justify it####

the same person went to on request of nehru went to feroz gandi and advised him against marrying indira gandi.so great is your mahatma. the same mahatma said " your new found religion is also bad". then why did you embrace it.

you spoke about who joined islam, can you tell me about people who left it and people who want to come out of it but fear of getting killed. count them then it will be more than people who embraced islam.
venkat
bengaluru, India
Dec 16, 2008 12:00 AM
23
DAVID ALBUQUERQUE
BRISBANE AUSTRALIA

i meant "i am from karnataka" sorry i am not convict to understand or type english so well.

Again you proved my point you are better than osterich.
LOL
venkat
bengaluru, India
Dec 16, 2008 12:00 AM
22
VENKAT
Bengaluru
"I am Karnataka." Now who is the dumb head?
david albuquerque
Brisbane, Australia
Dec 16, 2008 12:00 AM
21
dr s

faruki comments by the hour on the bjp, rss, arun shourie.

no comments about felow muslims.

it is curious.

perhaps a realiseation that muslims and islam are
a failed project.
banitoadolfo
roma, Italy
Dec 16, 2008 12:00 AM
20
dr s

faruki has stated that muslims should and will reform themselves.

the same goes for us. we wi´ll reform ourselves in good time. so far the international community
is not after us.

it is the muslims who are in the dog house.

however lets mind our own business. muslims can
reform or not. its up to them,

however we do not need advice from faruki. its
blatant impertinence, he should mind his own business.

if he does not like pakistan, he should take this matter up with pakistani,s.
banitoadolfo
roma, Italy
Dec 16, 2008 12:00 AM
19
AP on Arun Shourie:>>"He is a self-deluded windbag"

A better description of yourself, really, and Arundhati Roy, whose views are very much to your liking, of course.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 16, 2008 12:00 AM
18
>>"Britain will give 6 Million Dollars as assistance to Pakistan for fighting Terror"

The ISI, the real people's-army power of pakisthan, might just use the money for training more terrorists to be sent into india!
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 16, 2008 12:00 AM
17

Albuquerque and Mohammed from Bahrain, neither of you are Indian at all in spirit or soul. Trying to equate Mr. Shourie with ruthless killers like the Lashkar is absolutely repulsive. Both of you should be banned from entering India again.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 15, 2008 12:00 AM
16
Mr. Venkat

you justify it. i found my light and embraced it, and have guts to denounce any jihadi activity which is carried in the name of my religion, but have to listen from you what do say about your brothers who are terrorists, i know you support them.

just go through the events in bombay where when all the 60 hours of carnage was being committed your messiah (thakeray) his son and his nephew didn't show their face, now they are taking the moral high ground (sic) of being patriots.

why were they not fighting when their own city was in danger, but yes this is the truth of all you jingoistic lunatics you chose to kill, maim, rape innocent and unarmed people which you learned from the father of terrorism in india mr. godse, who killed a man who never ever even touched a pistol and then you have shameless guts to even justify it.

i loathe every terrorist activity of all the hues.

and yes i am a convert, so what, you answer me now why is islam only the religion which is attracting people even now after 1400 years inspite of all the bad press, bad activities of terrorist in its name, propagandas, you tell me why whites are becoming muslims in huge number in america even after 9-11.
mohammed madan kumar
bahrain, Bahrain
Dec 15, 2008 12:00 AM
15
MOHAMMED MADAN KUMAR
if you are a convert, you dont have right to speak about any religion, a run away like you who couldnt justify a religion to which you were born. better stick to your new found interest.
venkat
bengaluru, India
Dec 15, 2008 12:00 AM
14
DAVID ALBUQUERQUE
####Some expat readers are blissfully unaware of the terrorism unleashed by Shourie’s party in Orissa and Karnataka just a few months ago####

i am karnataka, pls tell me what Shourie’s party has done in karnataka. the problem with you guys is you are one step better than osterich, you keep your dumb head in your ass. some one says "ant" has "died" you people repeat & propogate as 100 elephants have been "Killed", you type of people speak only one sided language and point fingers at others and say you are on the wrong side.

take example of kashmir, every kashmiri muslim say millions of kashmiri muslims have been killed by indian forces. what is the population of kashmir?
you suck.
venkat
bengaluru, India
Dec 15, 2008 12:00 AM
13
DAVID ALBUQUERQUE

bravo, kudos to you

at least someone can point this idiot how shallow were he sounding when he made that speech in the parliament.

we cannot have our terrorism or their terrorism, terror is terror wether it has saffron hues or green hues.

if you don't admit than you actually justify every act of terror as Mr. Nazi modi has preached action reaction theory
mohammed madan kumar
bahrain, Bahrain
Dec 15, 2008 12:00 AM
12
Some readers would put ostriches to shade in their inability to see reality. Bad enough having to deal with demented jihadis, our country, like Pakistan, is in the awful predicament of having terrorists in the highest positions of government, opposition and the police. There are thick-heads in both countries - and I don’t refer only to Arun Shourie – who are either unaware of this reality or pretend to be.

At least a hundred Indian MPs – on both sides of the House - have criminal records. They must have had a good laugh at Shourie’s speech. Even schoolboys have heard of the likes of Tytler, Shahabuddin, Modi, Togadia and Advani who have aided, abetted, and organised mass murder, rape and pillage. Some expat readers are blissfully unaware of the terrorism unleashed by Shourie’s party in Orissa and Karnataka just a few months ago. With leaders such as these, and their ostrich- like supporters, both India and Pakistan have a chance-in-hell of coming to grips with terrorism
david albuquerque
Brisbane, Australia
Dec 15, 2008 12:00 AM
11
Shourie does understand the Indian angst well. This is in direct opposition to the minority (thankfully) in this forum who would not only reject the validity of the Hindu grievance, but would consider Hindu predicament to be fully deserved. This article is not going to go down well with the secular, liberal left loonies and assorted mulla crowd!
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Dec 15, 2008 12:00 AM
10
Albuquerque, your comments are tasteless, irrelevant and stupid. Arun Shourie as bad as the Lashkar! Someone like you should never be allowed to set foot on Indian soil again, for that grotesque insult.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 15, 2008 12:00 AM
9
What a hypocrite! Shourie, as a member of a party that has indulged in mass terrorism, is now preaching about terrorism. He should ask himself why he hobnobs with terrorists. I loathe such sympathisers as much as I loathe the L-e-T.
david albuquerque
Brisbane, Australia
Dec 15, 2008 12:00 AM
8
A man has spoken like a man; an Indian has spoken like an Indian, caring for the best interests of India. It is time to teach our not well meaning neighbour that the terrorists in their own soil will ultimately shatter their own country. Let us act.
L.K.Balasubramanian
Avenel,NJ, USA
Dec 15, 2008 12:00 AM
7
Thank god there is someone who can tell the turh like it is..

mullah morons like anwar patel;s notsens enotwithstanding
Rahul
Delhi, India
Dec 15, 2008 12:00 AM
6
No wonder Shourie was heckled by members of the Rajya Sabha for going on and on. He is a self-deluded windbag.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 14, 2008 12:00 AM
5
British PM has just said in join declaration with Zardari that Britain will give 6 Million Dollars as assistance to Pakistan for fighting Terror.

CRIME AND WAGES OF TERROR !
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Dec 14, 2008 12:00 AM
4
After Chadrayaan-1,

Mr. Zardari (10%), Gilani, LET masood, JUD Hafiz meet to discuss indias probe to moon.

Hafiz: how can india terrorise us by sending a probe to moon (Remember according to islam CHAND is their holy object) when we them( india)attack on earth, this is cheating, we have to go to UN with protest.

Zardari: dont worry we will ask AQ KHAN to become father of SPACE program (he can import tech from china and korea and become its father as in earlier cases).

Masood interrupts: so that we can be the first country to put a "terrornomer" ( equal to astronomer but with a AK47 & a chinese grenade)on moon and kill all the infidels & their satelites.

Gilani puts in: ya.. we can show the world what we are capable of.

Hafiz protests: according to islam we have to do ULTA if others send rocket & man to space why cant we send rocket and "terrornomer" below earth.

Hamid Mir, Geo TV joins in: we will whip up all the sentiments about this project, if we suceed w will say we have over taken the world and included moon also in our list to export our holy warriors. if it fails we will attribute the failure to HINDU-MOSSAD-ZIONIST sabotage.

They try to send the rocket named "JIHAD" with "terrornomer" but it fails. (DOWNWARDS to the earth)

INDIAN english media, Rajdeep Sardesai: Mr. Modi sabotaged pakistani space program, we have to consider this as terrorism on pakistan, poor country it is devastated. whole of BJP, RSS, VHP, HINDUS are mainly reponsible.

Manmohan Singh: madame sonia gandhi is deeply hurt because of modi's act of terror on pakistan, we will extradite him to pakistan to stand trial.

" Indian People never think how Mr. Modi is reponsible for this, they never think"
venkat
bengaluru, India
Dec 14, 2008 12:00 AM
3

If any man smite you on one cheek, him do you smite promptly on both and ye shall have peace.
c p narendran
nagpur, india
Dec 14, 2008 12:00 AM
2
Thanks Outlook for publishing this master-piece speech by Shourieji, unlike all other anti-national media, which promptly blocked out this sensational speech from a statesman. Hope this will also be printed.
Narayan
Zurich, Switzerland
Dec 13, 2008 12:00 AM
1
It is heartening to know that there is someone like him to at least point out the obvious to the sleeping lot. And thank god for small mercies, Chidambaram at least seems to know his ass from his elbow, unliike that Soniamma worshipping good for nothing wimp Patil.
Ajit Tendulkar
Seattle, United States
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