'Not an eye-for-an-eye, not a
tooth-for-a-tooth. That is completely wrong. For an eye, both eyes! For a tooth,
the whole jaw! Unless India has that determination and that clarity, we will
continue to bleed like this all the time.'
Rajya Sabha debate -- unedited, verbatim
Mr. Chairman, Sir, the Prime Minister and my dear friends, Sir, I think, I
can speak for everyone that the entire House is with the Government in the
effective steps that it may take in fighting terrorism; and it is wonderful,
Sir, you have suspended the Question Hour today to alert the country about the
urgency of the matter, and the appeal which the State Home Minister has made for
unity in the country in fighting this menace is entirely welcome.....and all of
us endorse that appeal. But, Sir, the effective steps have to be taken. The
Minister of State for Home Affairs has just read out a Statement in which a
number of steps, which were required and which have been urged time and again,
have, at last, found a mention and an endorsement by the Government. I welcome
that, and I will supplement that list, Sir. I hope that you will proceed on
those lines as you do, and I am sure that you will find the entire House with
you.
Before I come to making suggestions, I very much want to compliment the
Government on the initiative which has yielded fruit just now. I have just seen,
Sir, through Mr. Jaswant Singh's office, a report of rediff.com that 'because of
the initiative that has been taken, the United Nations Security Council has
placed sanctions on the Pakistan based Jamaat-ud-Dawa, which is just an altered
name of Lashkar-e-Toiba, and the four top leaders of LeT, including Hafiz
Mohammad Saeed whose vituperations against India have not been acceded by
anybody. He and three others, including Lakhvi, have been declared 'terrorists'
by the Security Council, and their assets have been frozen. In all such
initiatives, Sir, the entire House, indeed the entire country, will be with you.
Sir, nine facts stand out in much of what the Minister of State has just read
out. Those are, actually, things that are already known. But there are nine
facts which stand out about this incident. The first of these is exactly what
our attention has been drawn to by my friends from Assam, and to which the Prime
Minister has so graciously responded just now. Sir, this is a sort of thing
which is happening every month, every two months. In the count that Mr. Jaswant
Singh and I made of the incidents that have happened only in 2008--I am not
going to blame the Government, and so on, but please see this as a national
problem--in 2008 alone--I could have picked up any other year--there were 49
such incidents in 19 cities; about 2,525 people have been killed in these
incidents.
Sir, the second fact is that this is happening right across the country. Now,
we have seen that these actual incidents have happened everywhere. But there is
another telling fact which the people who follow terrorism, and this is what the
Government reveals from time to time, know that in just two years, from 2004 to
2006, 81 modules were busted by our intelligence agencies. These were ISI
modules in the country, all over the country; 81. These exclude the modules in
J&K and the North-East. So, you can see their reach which they have been
able to get. Now, we compliment the intelligence agencies, and I am sure that,
because these modules were busted, many such incidents were prevented. But the
fact that they were busted is a testimony to the fact that they exist, and that
one of the most lethal espionage and terrorist agencies in the world, ISI, has
been able to get that penetration into India.
The third fact that stands out in that, Sir,--and the Minister has just read
out the Statement in which he also said that--is that the finger of suspicion
points to Pakistan or to actors within Pakistan. But the first point to remember
in that, Sir, is that of its 60 years of existence, Pakistan, for 50 years, has
been under the heel of the army. I think that none of us, in India, can realise
the terror and the pervasiveness of ISI in Pakistani state and society.
Therefore, to imagine that Lashkar-e-Toiba or any other agency could do things
without the knowledge, patronage, guidance, training and equipment of ISI, is to
live in a fool's paradise.
Sir, Mr. Jaswant Singh has always been emphasising it and the Americans have
said, not particularly they are dependent on the Pakistanis, that the attack on
the Indian Embassy in Kabul was the handiwork of the ISI and the attack on our
Embassy is an attack on the country. You will see the operational significance
of this when I just come to what the Government has been doing, without
criticising the Government, what India has been doing.
The fourth fact, Sir, is that in these circumstances to ask Pakistan to help
nail the masterminds just does not make sense. To ask Mr.Zardari, the Pakistan
President, to do anything like this is meaningless. On the one hand, we are
being told that Mr. Zardari is not in control of these agencies and, on the
other, we are being told that we are appealing to him, "Please help; please
send the Director-General of the ISI here". This is the Zardari who, for
getting the killers of his own wife identified, did not trust the Pakistani
investigators. He got the Scotland Yard there. He appealed to the United
Nations. And we are appealing to him! This is only to set up India in this
manner and to put faith in the statement of such persons. It is a pathology in
India to look for some straw of a statement on which to hang our hopes. Mr.
Musharraf came here. He said, "mai is baar nayaa dil le ke aayaa huuN",
and all sorts of acclamations to that. Similar is, just now, the statement of
Mr. Zardari that the fellows causing all the trouble in Jammu and Kashmir are
terrorists. Again, great acclamations and hope, and the moment these things came
in India, Ms. Sherry Rehman, the Minister of Information there, immediately
issued a statement that the President had never called the legitimate struggle
of Kashmiris an expression of terrorism and she reiterated that support for
Kashmir's struggle for selfdetermination has been a consistent position of the
Pakistan People's Party for 40 years. Therefore, in these circumstances, to
invite Pakistan to come here for even discussions to put hope in the so-called
joint mechanism for fighting and investigating terror is to fool oneself.
Actually, it is worse than fooling oneself, because it means that you put them
in the place of judges. They will say whether our evidence is adequate or not.
Sir, the fifth point that comes out is that no one in Pakistan has suffered
for the 50,000-60,000 people who have been killed since the early eighties in
India by Pakistan-sponsored action and what the Minister of State for Home
Affairs has just read out has to be seen in the light of the fact that his very
Ministry has been placing in Parliament papers saying that infrastructure for
terrorism in Pakistan has not been rolled up at all. "Dismantled" is
the precise word. There is a Status Paper on internal security situation which
was presented by Mr. Shivraj Patil to the Parliament on 30th November. It says
that the terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan and PoK is yet to be dismantled
and is being used by Pakistan-based and Pakistan ISI sponsored outfits like
Jaish-e- Mohammad, Lashkar-e-Toiba, Al Badr, Hizb-ul-Mujahideen, etc., and they
want to do nothing about it. Why? Because these organisations are the
instruments of the ISI and the Pakistan Army. When there was international
pressure on them, they made a show of it. Mr. Musharraf banned these
organisations, and the Pakistani newspapers immediately published the old name
and the new name. Their offices continued in the same way and their meetings for
collection of donations for terrorism continued in the same way.
[And it wasn't as if they were operating from some bank account that could
be freezed] So to repose hope is to put ourselves in for difficulties. The
sixth point that comes out is local help. Yes, these are ISI inspired; they are
ISI orchestrated. Their principal instruments are Lashker-e-tayeba, etc. But
none of this could have happened without local help. Just see what the Home
Minister has revealed. They come to Colaba. They must know something about the
coastline. They immediately know where to go for the targets, which he has just
listed out. Within the hotels, as everybody has said, they knew the entire
layout. They went into the Taj Hotel, precisely to the place where the Manager's
wife and two children were. How could that be known from satellite photographs
or to somebody sitting in Karachi? So, it was because of the local help. And we
are politically hamstrung in pursuing that and talking openly about it.
The seventh point is -- it is a very important point -- as you have just said
about the Coast Guard and so on, it has been established, time and again, that
these agencies abroad and these networks abroad like Lashker-e-tayeba, use
existing channels, for instance, of smugglers. I only have to remind you,
because we are talking about Mumbai, that in 1993, it has been established by
the Government that 1,800 kilograms of RDX and other arms and ammunitions also
were smuggled into India by using those smuggler's networks. Just to get a ban
there is a wonderful first step, but unless we get at these networks and the
existing channels -- I will come to that as to what we are doing in this regard
a little later -- we will never get anywhere.
Sir, I completely endorse what the Home Minister has said that the entire
nation feels grateful for the bravery and the sacrifice of our poor NSG people
and the other security personnel. The fact of the matter is, if you look at the
institutional response to the attack, there was much to be desired, not because
of the fault of any individual in the Forces. In the first account, when the
poor Mumbai policemen and the Mumbai Anti Terrorist Squad got there with their
exemplary courage, you should have seen their arms and unpreparedness. I have
tried to make a timeline of the whole sequence. Even the Naval Commandos, who
were in Mumbai, were not called and did not come to the scene till two hours
after the attack. Everybody, who has studied terrorism, knows that whatever you
have to do to neutralise the terrorist plans can only be done in the first few
minutes. After that they have already succeeded. I am very happy that the Home
Minister, at last, has acceded to requests and entreaties from many quarters for
many years that there must be many NSG hubs. What has happened, Sir? Sir, from
the timeline that I have been able to establish, it took three hours for the
Government to decide to deploy the NSG. Whether it is because of the late
request from Mumbai or because of decision-making here, I do not want to cast
any aspersions. But it took three hours. After that it took five-and-a-half
hours, a total of nine hours, before our specialised Force was able to reach
there. When they reached there, after nine hours of the beginning of the
assault, they were blind. They did not have maps of the hotels and targets.
The ninth fact, which has now been acknowledged here on page 3 of the
statement, which the Home Minister has read out, is about Intelligence reports
actually having come. There are many qualifications to what has been
acknowledged. But if you see para 12, it says: "Intelligence, regarding a
suspected LeT vessel attempting to infiltrate through the sea route, was shared
with the Coast Guard..." And then, of course, what the Navy did or did not
do. There have been earlier reports, and the Home Minister says that it is not
right for him to comment on them. But the fact of the matter is that it has been
leaked by intelligence agencies that there were intercepts that these two hotels
would be among the targets. The third factor, which has now been acknowledged,
is that the coordinates of this vessel were given the information. You say now
that, at that moment, it was in the Pakistani territory. But you also say that
it was two days earlier. Do you mean that nothing happened after that? Somebody
has said, "Here is the Lashkar-e-Toiba vehicle. Hijack it." And we can
just forget about it, [ke abhii to Pakistan ke waters meN hai..that it is still
in Pakistan waters]
So, intelligence was given. Yet what was our response? Again, I am not
blaming anybody. I am requesting everybody to kindly look upon it as an
institutional matter of what we have to strengthen and what we are up against.
And the fact that the Intelligence has been saying all these for a long time is
evident from very, very high, and I say, heavy quarters. I will read out to you
how much advance warning the Government has been giving to other people. In the
annual meeting in November, 2006, -- the Home Minister has an annual meeting
with the Director-Generals of Police and the Inspector General of Police --
which the Prime Minister also was kind enough to address, the Home Minister
tells them, "Our coastal areas are coming under increased threat from
terrorist groups which have decided to use the sea route to infiltrate into
India. They also plan to induct arms and ammunitions through the sea
routes." That was in November, 2006. Then, he says: "Some
Lashkar-e-Toiba operatives are also being trained specifically for sabotage,
etc. There are plans to occupy some uninhabited islands of the country's
coastline to use them as basis for launching operations on the Indian
coast." What I want you to remember in this is that these things could not
have been said off-hand. I will come to several of these; [koii alhaam to aa
nahii rahaa thaa], that by a certain revelation, the Ministers were saying
all these things.
As everyone knows, from ground intelligence, things must have gone upwards,
and then, it made it, through the bureaucratic ladder, into the Home Minister's
statement. This was in November, 2006. Then, on 8th March, 2007, the Home
Minister was asked in the Lok Sabha: Whether intelligence agencies have warned
about the possibility of terrorists trying to infiltrate through the sea route
and trying to target offshore installations." The answer was: "Yes,
Sir. There are reports about terrorists of various tanzeems being imparted
training and likelihood of their infiltration through sea routes." He was
then asked: "Whether maritime terrorism, gun-running, drug-trafficking and
piracy are major threats which India is facing from the sea borders of the
country?" His answer was: "Yes, Sir." Then, we come to 9th May,
2007, what he said in this very House. On 9th May, 2007, the Home Minister was
asked in the Rajya Sabha: "Is it a fact that there are strong apprehensions
of terrorist threats to the country through the sea route?" He says:
"As per available reports, Pak based terrorist groups, particularly LeT,
have been exploring possibilities of induction of manpower and terrorist
hardware through the sea route." Then, on 8th December, 2007, the National
Security Advisor, Shri M.K. Narayanan, was educating the world at Manama, in the
Middle-East, at a Security Conference. He says, "According to our
intelligence reports, there are now certain new schools that are being
established on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border which now specialise in the
training of an international brigade of terrorists to fight in many climes.
According to our information, recruits from 14 to 15 countries have come."
Then, he says, "The sea route, in particular, is becoming the chosen
route for carrying out many attacks, even on land. References to this are to be
found replete in current terrorist literature. I would like, therefore, to sound
a note of warning" -- he is telling other people -- "that there is no
scope for complacency." Sir, that is in 2007, December. Now, on 11th March,
2008, Mr. A.K. Antony, the Defence Minister, also addresses the same thing. He
is addressing the International Maritime Search and Rescue Conference in Delhi.
He says that the dangers of terror attacks from the sea in the region are now
mounting, and he says, what you are now acknowledging, Sir, that you are taking
steps, he says then, a year ago, that the Coast Guard has deficiencies, but as
bureaucrats say, all necessary steps are being taken.
Then, Sir, I come to the Prime Minister himself, and his alertness in these
matters. On the 13th November, 2008, just a fortnight before the assaults, he is
educating the BIMSTEC leaders that terrorism and threats from the sea continue
to challenge the authority of the State. But, that is just a fortnight before
the assaults. But, on the 22nd November, 2008, four days before the assaults,
the Home Minister is addressing the Directors-General of Police again, and he
says, "To control terrorism in the hinterland, we have to see that
infiltration of terrorists from other countries does not take place through the
sea route." [Arre, aap kisko kah rahe ho? Hey, who are you saying this to?
"Or through the borders between India and... you can't say Bangladesh,
friendly countries. The coast lines also had to be guarded through the Navy, the
Coast Guard and the Coastal Police." I am reading this because that is the
context in which we must now see the new assurances which have been given,
whether they will also become like this. "The States' Special Branches and
the CID should identify the persons forming part of the sleeper cells and
lodging in cities and towns and studying in educational institutions" --
they got those fake passes of educational institutions -- "and working in
industries and professions." Sir, they are not consultants to the Government; they are the Government. [You are saying this to the states…] But, it is the IB's job to identify these. Sir, I want to supplement this
by drawing the attention of the House to the fog of unreality in which all this
is being done. [I just read out the statement of the hon home minister that he
had given on November 22, 2008. Now look at the facts of that day.] On the 25th
and 26th November, 2008, that is, very literally on the eve of these attacks,
our Home Secretary and his entire senior team was in Islamabad for a Joint
Conference with the Secretary, Interior of the Pakistan Government. In their
joint statement, what do they say? Now just see what is our psychology? This
Joint Statement is issued on 26th November, 2008. Just now, Sir, you said that
the terrorists came in those inflatable boats between 8.00 and 8.30.Now let's
see what statement was given there, after gol gappas
"The meeting was held in a cordial and friendly atmosphere. Both sides
discussed the issues related to terrorism and drug trafficking and reviewed the
implementation of decisions taken during the last round." Now, see,
"Both sides noted with satisfaction the progress made and identified ways
to further promote cooperation in a number of areas. Both sides condemned
terrorism in all its forms and manifestations." [And they are organising!]
"Both sides condemned terrorism in all its forms and manifestations and
affirmed their resolve", as just now we have been asked to affirm our
resolve, "to cooperate with each other to combat the menace of
terrorism."
Exactly these are the words that have been used for Assam.