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Full text of what is said to be the verbatim statement of the lone surviving terrorist out of the ten who were involved in the attack on Mumbai

Mohammad Ajmal Amir

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Name: Mohammad Ajmal Amir [aka Qasab*]
Age: 21 yrs.
Occupation: Labour
R/O: Village Faridkot, Tehsil Dipalpur, Dist: Okara, State: Punjab, Pakistan

I am as above and reside at the above given address since my birth. I have studied up to 4th standard from Government Primary School.

After leaving school in 2000, I went to Lahore. My brother Afzal stays at Galli No. 54, R.No. 12, Mohalla Tohit Abad, near Yadgar Minar, Lahore. I did labour jobs at different places till 2005. During that period I used to visit my native place. In the year 2005, I had a quarrel with my father. Therefore, I left my house and went to Ali Hajveri Darbar at Lahore.

At the said place, the boys who had run away from their houses are kept. From there, the boys are sent to different places for employment. One day when I was there, a person by name Shafiq came there and took me with him. He was in the catering business. He was from Zhelam [Jhelam]. I started working with him on daily wages. I was given Rs 120 per day. After some days my salary was increased up to Rs 200 per day. I worked with him till 2007.

While I was working with Shafiq, I came in contact with one Muzaffar Lal Khan, aged 22 years, r/o Village -Romiya, Tehsil & Dist -Atak, State -Sarhad, Pakistan. As we were not getting enough money, we decided to carry out robbery / dacoity at some place so that we will get a large amount. As such we left the job.

Thereafter we went to Rawalpindi. We hired a flat at Bangash Colony, Rawalpindi, and started residing in it. Afzal had located a house where he thought we would get a large amount.

He had surveyed the said place and drawn a map of the said place. We required some fire-arms for our purpose. Afzal told me that he could get some fire-arms at his native place, but it was very risky, as there was frequent checking at his native place.

While we were in search of fire-arms we saw some LeT stalls at Raja bazaar, Rawalpindi, on the day of Bakri-id. We thought that, even if we procured fire-arms, we could not operate them. Therefore, we decided to join LeT for weapon training.

After making enquiries we reached LeT office. In the LeT office we met a person. We told him that we wanted to join LeT. He made some enquiry with us, noted our names and address and told us to come on next day.

On the next day, we went to LeT office and met the same man. One more person was present with him.

He gave us Rs 200 and some receipt. Then he gave us the address of a place called Marqas Taiyyaaba, Muridke, and told us to go to the said place where LeT is having their training camp. As directed, we went to the said place by bus. We showed the receipt given to us at the gate of the camp. We were allowed inside. At the entry gate, our details were filled up on two forms. Then we were taken to the actual camp area. At the said place, initially we were selected for 21 days training called Daura-Sufa. From the next day, we started attending training. The daily programme was as mentioned below.

04.15: Wake up call and thereafter namaz
08.00: Breakfast
08.30-10.00: Lecture on Hadis and Quran by Mufti Sayyed
10.00-12.00: Rest
12.00-13.00: Lunch Break
13.00-14.00: Namaz
14.00-16.00: Rest
16.00-18.00: PT and Game Instructor Fadulla
18.00-20.00: Namaz and other work
20.00-21.00: Dinner

After completion of the above said training, we were selected for another training called Daura-Ama. The said training was also for 21 days. We were then taken in a vehicle to a place called Mansera, Buttal Village. At the said place, we were given training of all weapons for 21 days. The daily programme was as mentioned below.

04.15 - 05.00: Wake up call and thereafter namaz
05.00-6.00: PT Instructor abu Anas
08.00: Breakfast
08.30-11.30: Weapons training. Trainer Abdul Rehman, Weapons AK-47, Green-O, SKS, Uzi gun, pistol, revolver
11.30-12.00: Rest
12.00-13.00: Lunch break
13.00-14.00: Namaz
14.00-16.00: Rest
16.00-18.00: PT
18.00-20.00: Namaz and other work
20.00-21.00: Dinner

After completing the said training, we were told that, we will be given the next advance training, but for that purpose we have to do some Khidmat for two months (Khidmat is a sort of service in the said camp as per the trainees' liking). We agreed to do the Khidmat for two months.

After two months, I was allowed to go to meet my parents. I stayed with my parents for one month. Thereafter, I went to LeT camp situated at Shaiwainala, Muzzafarabad, for further advanced training. At that place, they took my photographs and filled up some forms. Then we were taken to Chelabandi pahadi area for training called Duara-khas. The said training was for 3 months. The training included PT, handling of all weapons and firing practice of the said weapons, training of handling of hand grenade, rocket launchers and mortars. The daily programme was as mentioned below.

04.15-05.00: Wake up call and thereafter namaz
05.00-06.00: PT Instructor Abu Mawiya
08.00: Breakfast
08.30-11.30: Weapons training handling of all weapons and firing practices of the said weapons, training of handling of hand grenade, rocket launchers and mortars, Green-O, SKS, Uzi gun, pistol, revolver, Hand grenade, rocket launchers. Trainer Abu Mawiya
11.30-12.00: Rest
12.00-13.00: Lunch Break
13.00-14.00: Namaz
14.00-16.00: Weapon training and firing practice. Lecture on Indian security agencies
16.00-18.00: PT
18.00-20.00: Namaz and other work
20.00-21.00: Dinner

At the said place 32 persons were present for training.

Out of these 32 trainees, 16 were selected for some confidential operation by one Zaqi-ur-Rehman Chacha. Out of these 16 trainees 3 trainees ran away from the camp. The above said chacha then sent the remaining 13 of us along with a person called Kafa to the above said earlier camp at Muridke. At Muridke, we were taught swimming and getting acquainted with the environment experienced by a fisherman on a sea.

We did some experimental tours by launches on the sea. During the said training, we were given lectures on working of Indian security agencies. We were shown the clippings highlighting the atrocities on Muslims in India.

After completing the said training, we were allowed to go to our native places. For seven days, I stayed with my family members. After seven days I went to the LeT camp at Muzzafarabad.

The above said 13 of us were present for training. Thereafter, as per the instructions of Zaki-ur-Rehman, the above said Kafa took us to camp at Muridke. At the said camp again we underwent the training of swimming and getting acquainted with the environment and experience on sea. The training continued for one month.

During the said training, we were given the lectures on India and its security agencies, including RAW. We were also given the training on how to evade the chase by security personnel. We were strictly instructed not to make phone calls to Pakistan after reaching India.

The names of the persons present for the said training are as mentioned below.

Mohd Azmal aka Abu Muzahid
Ismail aka Abu Umar
Abu Ali
Abu Aksha
Abu Umer
Abu Shoeb
Abdul Rehman (Bada)
Abdul Rehman (Chhota)
Afadulla
Abu Umar

After completion of training, Zaki-ur-Rehman aka Chacha selected 10 of us and formed 5 teams each having two persons on 15 Sept 2008. My team included myself and Ismail. Our code name was VTS team. We were then shown the site 'Google Earth' on Internet. On the same site, we were shown the information about Azad Maidan, Mumbai, how and where to get down at Mumbai. We were shown the film on VT railway station and the film showing the commuters moving around at rush hours at VT railway station.

We were instructed to carry out the firing at rush hours in the morning between 7 to 11 hours and between 7 to 11 hours in the evening. Then kidnap some persons, take them to the roof of some nearby building. After reaching at the roof top, we were to contact chacha. After that, chacha would give the telephone or mobile no of electronic media. We were then to contact the media persons on the same phone. And as per the instructions received from chacha, we would make demands for releasing the hostages. This was the general strategy decided by our trainers.

The date fixed for the said operation was 27th Sept 2008. However, the operation was cancelled for some reason. We stayed at Karachi. Again we made practice of travelling by speed boats on the sea. We stayed there upto 23rd Nov 2008. The other teams were as mentioned below.

2nd Team
1) Abu Aksha
2) Abu Umar

3rd Team
1) Bada Abdul Rehman
2) Abu Ali

4th Team
1) Chhota Abdul Rehman
2) Afadulla

5th Team
1) Shoeb
2) Abu Umer

On 23rd Nov 2008, the above said teams including our team left from Azizabad, Karachi along with Zaki-ur-Rehman aka Chacha and Kafa. We were taken to the nearby sea shore. At 04.15 hours we reached the sea shore. At the sea shore we boarded a launch. After traveling for 22 to 25 nautical miles we met a bigger launch in the sea. We boarded the said launch and after journey of 1 hour we boarded a bigger ship by name Al-Huseini in the deep sea. While boarding the said ship, each of us was given a sack containing 8 grenades, one AK-47 rifle, 200 cartridges, 2 magazines and one cell phone for communication.

Then we started towards Indian coast. When we reached Indian waters, the crew members of Al-Huseini ship hijacked one Indian launch. The seamen from the said launch were shifted to Al-Huseini ship. We were then boarded the hijacked Indian ship. One Indian seaman was kept along with us.

At the gun point, he took us towards the Indian coast. After journey of about 3 days, we reached near sea shore of Mumbai. While we were at some distance from the shore, Ismail and Afadulla killed the Indian seaman, (Tandel) at the basement of the said Indian launch. Then we boarded floatable dinghi and reached Budwar Park Jetty as per the instructions received earlier.

After getting down at Budwar Park, I went along with Ismail to VT railway stn by taxi.

After reaching the hall of VT railway stn. We, i.e. Ismail and myself, went to the common toilet, took out the weapons from our sacks, loaded them, came out of toilet and started firing indiscriminately towards the passengers.

Suddenly one police officer in uniform came towards us and opened fire. In retaliation, we threw hand grenades towards him and also opened fire towards him. Then we went inside the railway stn threatening the commuters and randomly firing at them.

Then we came out of the railway stn and started searching for a building with roof top. But we did not find a suitable building. Therefore, we entered a lane. Then we entered a building and went upstarts. On 3rd or 4th floor we searched for hostages but we found that the said building was a hospital and not a residential building. Therefore we started coming down.

At that time policemen started firing at us. As such we threw some grenades towards them. When we were coming out of the hospital premises, we suddenly saw one police vehicle passing in front of us. Therefore, we took shelter behind a bush.

Another vehicle passed in front of us and stopped at some distance. One police officer got down from the said vehicle and started firing at us. One bullet hit my hand and my AK-47 dropped down. I bent to pick it up when second bullet hit me on the same hand. I got injured. Ismail opened fire at the officers who were in said vehicle. They got injured and firing from their side stopped.

We waited for some time and then went towards the said vehicle. Three bodies lying there. Ismail removed the three bodies and drove the said vehicle. I sat next to him. While we were moving in the said vehicle, some police men tried to stop us. Ismail opened fire towards them while we were on the move; our vehicle got punctured near a big ground by the side of road. Ismail got down from the driver seat, stopped a car at the gun point and removed the three lady occupants from the said car. Then Ismail carried me to the car and sat me inside as I was injured. Then he drove the said car.

While we were moving in the said car, we were stopped on the road near sea shore. Ismail fired towards them. Some policemen got injured. Police also opened fire towards us. Due to the police firing Ismail got injured. Then police removed us to some hospital. In the hospital I came to know that Ismail succumbed to the injuries he has sustained.

My statement is read over to me, explained in Hindi and it is correctly recorded.

Mohammad Ajmal Amir*

*The surviving terrorist's name has been variously used as Azam Amir Kasab, Muhammad Amin Kasab, Azam Amir Kasav, Iman Qasab etc. His correct name is as above. Apparently, when asked about his caste, he had mumbled in pain that he hailed from the Kasai (butcher) community. This is what was misheard and mistranscribed as Kasab/Qasab/Kasav or even Kamaal in some of the accounts.

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Dec 15, 2008 12:00 AM 32	Varun:>>"The sole task is to find ways to punish and isolate Pakistan. Period" Right. Banning them for an year from international cricket for an year, may have the punishing and isolating effect required. v.seshadri chennai, india
Dec 14, 2008 12:00 AM 31	Actually, there is one of the major motives or "underlying causes" for the Mumbai massacre that Venkat has referred to : sheer jealousy at the relative success of a neighbouring country. When India is mentioned, yes the subject of povery, illiteracy, separatism and corruption is raised, as it should be. But so are major achievements like the moon mission, the developments in IT, Biotech, pharmaceuticals,animation, medical transcription, the nuclear deal, the anti-piracy operations off Somalia, the world chess championship, Indian companies competing abroad and also buying foreign companies, and several others. Pakistan is just mentioned in the context of "dispute" with India over Kashmir, support for terror, army rule, accusations and counter-accusations with India about supporting terror. Which gives you the true nature of Pakistan. Varun Shekhar Toronto, CANADA
Dec 14, 2008 12:00 AM 30	After Chadrayaan-1, Mr. Zardari (10%), Gilani, LET masood, JUD Hafiz meet to discuss indias probe to moon. Hafiz: how can india terrorise us by sending a probe to moon (Remember according to islam CHAND is their holy object) when we them( india)attack on earth, this is cheating, we have to go to UN with protest. Zardari: dont worry we will ask AQ KHAN to become father of SPACE program (he can import tech from china and korea and become its father as in earlier cases). Masood interrupts: so that we can be the first country to put a "terrornomer" ( equal to astronomer but with a AK47 & a chinese grenade)on moon and kill all the infidels & their satelites. Gilani puts in: ya.. we can show the world what we are capable of. Hafiz protests: according to islam we have to do ULTA if others send rocket & man to space why cant we send rocket and "terrornomer" below earth. Hamid Mir, Geo TV joins in: we will whip up all the sentiments about this project, if we suceed w will say we have over taken the world and included moon also in our list to export our holy warriors. if it fails we will attribute the failure to HINDU-MOSSAD-ZIONIST sabotage. They try to send the rocket named "JIHAD" with "terrornomer" but it fails. (DOWNWARDS to the earth) INDIAN english media, Rajdeep Sardesai: Mr. Modi sabotaged pakistani space program, we have to consider this as terrorism on pakistan, poor country it is devastated. whole of BJP, RSS, VHP, HINDUS are mainly reponsible. Manmohan Singh: madame sonia gandhi is deeply hurt because of modi's act of terror on pakistan, we will extradite him to pakistan to stand trial. " Indian People never think how Mr. Modi is reponsible for this, they never think" venkat bengaluru, India
Dec 13, 2008 12:00 AM 29	Peter, you utterly spoiled your message by bringing up the mundane foibles of Indians( which do exist). That's tasteless, irrelevant and stupid. It's like someone saying "The Mumbai massacre was bad, but we should help ourselves by refraining from spitting on the street" Now is not the time for these things. The sole task is to find ways to punish and isolate Pakistan. Period. Varun Shekhar Toronto, CANADA
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 28	Mr Peter Parker, Wait and see in India, we are prepared for the maximum sacrifice. Traitors like you who DO NOT consider India as the most sacred place (thanks for your open admission and your allegiance towards Vatican being a Christian) need not comment on India any more. Your love is limited until you harvest the maximum!!! After that you look for your next target. We Hindus can take care of this country for whatever its worth. You are more than welcome to shield behind your Vatican boss!!! We Hindus have bosses ONLY in this country NOT outside unlike cowards like you. We do not have money or military power but we have the courage to stand against aggression. Winning or losing is attributed to God of ALL lords, Krishna. We only do our duty in protecting our home land from aggressor, terrorists and traitors. Mine is not about love but passion for my mother-land and I am pretty sure your crocodile tears of love will not lost long and we are least bothered about your support or opposition. Ram Kerela, India
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 27	Varun: Very valid points indeed. But you see even when the answer is "Blowin in the wind" i.e to say "The problem is in India's will, not the non-feasibility of the task." and Here is where the Indian public has to pressure the government to really act" Indian public (including myself) fall into threee categories broardly 1. Ram from Kerala kinds (nuke em all!) 2. Shobha De Arundhati Rai kind (listen to us we are the elite and we have a lot of talk to offer) 3. and people who are really willing to chnage the whole system, how things are managed, and want to start with themselves (like picking up your trash on the street and being patient with each other and really care for people and things/public roperty/services in the country as they do at home). Do not travel,bank, fly and suffer a loss if you are made to do things in ways other they are supposed to be. Insist on getting things done the right way even if that means personal loss. We are too selfish to do this. This third kind are ery rare and we often mock at such people. What has this got to do with dealing with terrorism? Everything. You talked about "India's will" and we cannot get good, strong willing honest leaders until we become good, honest, country lovign people. Our leaders are only a reflection of our own "pusillanimous or dilly-dallying" attitudes. And as long as we have these "pusillanimous or dilly-dallying" leaders governing a "pusillanimous or dilly-dallying" people nothing is going to change. The category 1 and 2 will keep on getting catered by these leaders becasue category three exists only in our minds but not in our actions. Its sad that we are not prepared to suffer small losses for becoming category three but are eager to become to become category 1 or 2 when we suffer mumbai like big losses. Peter Michael ganjbasoda, India
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 26	Ram: to this "Just like GWB did to terrorist, I just want India to do the same. Invade Pakistan, kill as many as possible, ofcourse, it will not go without retaliation or even nuclear war, but that’s ok considering the fact we have the guts to fight this menace" I have only one thing to say. With this thought process I gurantee your voice will never heard beyond these anonymous message boards. And when occasionaly heard, will never be taken seriously. So until you are taken seriously, rest your guts in peace. Despite all your hatred for mulims and christians, you still fail to acknowledge that the terrrorists killed Vatican going and Mecca going chrsitians and muslims aas well. But I do not expect that from you as that is beyond your mickey mouse brain matter. Secondly your "WE" and "US" does not include muslims and christians. You have al the right to "THINK" or IMAGINE so but indeed you will be hallucinating in a fools paradise. I do not consider India to be the most sacred place to be living and neither do I consider my family/ parent's home to be the most sacred place. But still I can and do love my country and my home and my countrymen and my famiily members. And my love for them is much more sacred than your slimy hatred for people who are not in your belief/faith domain. Keep dreaming Ram.. your RamRajya with just "US" not "THEMS" can only exist in yor dreams. BTW .. how old are you? 16? ;) Peter Michael ganjbasoda, India
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 25	Peter Michael, if the US, UK, Germany and other liberal countries see that such a big, democratic, dynamic country like India is really outraged and disgusted by Pakistan, to the extent that there is a total Indian economic and political boycott ofPakistan, they will be hesitant at least, to do any major business with it. And yes, that certainly includes selling weapons. The problem is in India's will, not the non-feasibility of the task. India is still seen as not being ultra-serious about isolating and boycotting Pakistan, so these other countries figure, why should we be serious? Here is where the Indian public has to pressure the government to really act, instead of being pusillanimous or dilly-dallying. Agree that China is more problematic than the Western democracies, but that is no excuse for India not to do everything in its own power, to quarantine Pakistan. In the concerned article, the professor of IIM makes the acute observation that the Indian advocates of generosity and amity with Pakistan have been proven wrong over and over again. The country is totally dominated by the military- even its stock market is 70% owned by the military- and they will never change. Varun Shekhar Toronto, CANADA
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 24	India can act in three ways: 1. Elect BJP and bomb Pakistan. 2. Retain Congress and seduce Pakistan with the Bollywood beauties. 3. Bomb the Tribal belts in Pakistan with CURRENCY NOTES. Crazy? Zak NY, United States
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 23	Mr Peter, I don’t care what terrorists wanted but I simply do not tolerate my country becoming target of enemies across and within. I just mentioned Muslims because they have no problems admitting only expecting Hindus to be nicer after killing “us” – when I say “US”, “WE”, please do not include Christians like “YOU” who have no problems Hindus getting killed. So it is only my heart is naturally burning to see my countrymen (again, am talking about those who believe India is the ONLY sacred place in the whole universe and I do not consider those who believe Vatican or Mecca as their ultimate place) getting killed at the hands of terrorists. I don’t mind to be a terrorist for terrorist!!! Just like GWB did to terrorist, I just want India to do the same. Invade Pakistan, kill as many as possible, ofcourse, it will not go without retaliation or even nuclear war, but that’s ok considering the fact we have the guts to fight this menace. Since you have openly said that terrorists are nationalists and their killing should be only taken in that spirit, when things like Gujarath aftermath or Babri masjid demolition (though it was just an old building considering the aftermath of Babri Masjid where many Hindus got killed, it was nothing), please stop talking about secularism and Indian constitution for heaven sake. Hindus can not expect loyalty from Muslims or Christians for obvious reasons since they are a cmpromised lot. Christians go to Vatican for local issues and Muslims in India fight for some unrelated issues in Iraq or Afgan Ram Kerela, India
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 22	Ajmal Amir Kasab like Afzal Guru will be under the hospitality of Congresswallahs. If any Muslim is frightened by the way Chidambarams or Pranabs or Manmohans (Laloos and Paswans have kept quiet) condemned the Satanic Muslim terror there is nothing to worry. Congress will be at its best soon: with mullahs and moulivis eating out of its hand. Mullah Congress aka Reserved Congress will soon be back at its dirty tricks. Kasab will be kept in royal animation until LeT stage manages to hijack a IA plane and then he will be let free. There is nothing to worry for any anti-national Muslim. There is no place like India as far as safety and peace of mind is concerned. Rane had accused the Vilasrao govt of helping the terrorists who brought Armageddon to Mumbai. This is possible because RR Patil and Sharad Pawar are the ones who were instrumental in filing bogus cases against Sadhvi and Col Purohit to get political mileage. These traitors brought the poor deceased Karkare to mouth false charges against the Sadhvi. Of course Nemesis has punished Karkare for his gory sin. The enemy is within ourselves and not in Pakistan. WHY BLAME PAKISTAN AND OVERLOOK PAWARS AND PATILS? These political enemies of ours are termites who are eating the internal vitals of this nation slowly and surely. Pranab Mukherjee says war is not the solution. Pray, when will it become a solution? After Pakistan throws a couple of atom bombs on our head? It is sickening that these cowards are the foreign minsters and prime ministers. THEY DON'T EVEN FEEL ASHAMED WHEN PAKISTAN TAUNTS THEM AND LAUGHS AT THEIR FACE. How can they when all they know is to use reservations to help the backward rich to feather their own nests called votebanks? Have they not stabbed Bharat Mata repeatedly through quotas and rejoiced as she bled to death? siddharth Chennai, India
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 21	Was the murderous thug was not shown the atrocities committed by Islamic fascists and egotistic males in Pakistan? If so he could have probably diverted his attention on fighting that evil near home. However he is in good hands. The Indian government will keep him in jail for life and not hang him. If he is lucky he might get out on parole too. Cheers! Vic Sangha Toronto, Canada
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 20	Varun: Finally good to see some sane thoughts from you. The IIM professor's ideal is great. I am all for it. Except it seems he also a "jingo" element in his proposal. I am referring to "Not only that, but India should be very adamant that any country supplying weaponry to Pakistan will face restrictions or penalties( economic) where India is concerned" part. This is laughable and puts the professors understanding of inernational politics to question. He means India putting sanctions on US, UK, China, which actaully translates into these countries putting putting sanctions on India, which means most jingoists on this forum leave their present abodes and head for India or seek asylum in US or UK and never return to India. Forget India, at present due to economic inter-dependency even US cannot put pressure on China. Lets say, India gets some LB Shastri-like leader once again and dares to do what you said, are the Indian Bollywood-Cricket crazy masses (especially the selfish middle class which I also comem from) ready to make that sacrifice. Boss we are not prepared to stand patiently in ques at Cinema Houses, rlwy stations and banks and prefer our services rendered to us through backdoor means. Most of us do not love our country and I say so becasue love of the country does not start with heroic talk a the time of calamity but it stsrts with very small things like picking up the garbage (either yours or others) from a public place and putting it in the trash can. It stars with giving the police constable his due respsect by adressing him as "sir" before expecting him to talk to you adressing as "sir". We are not prepared to do that. Now, one of you might say, I am and I actually do that. The real question is how many of US are ready to that and when we do that we do not feel as if we have been extra nice. I am sorry if all this sounds "lecturing" because most people includin myslef do not prefer "idealism talk". But believe me this honest.. and this is not idealism, this actaully expressing love for your country. Becasue many of us actually do all the above but in the confines of our homes. Gaurav: I am guessing you figured out the reason for my chosen forum name and may be have had some associations with MP or Basoda. If not ignore the above two lines. I have a lot of skin in this game, probably more than you do. And that is why as long as someone comes up with good opinion I will respect it, irrespective of his/her perticualrs. My particulars can summarized as an Indian who happens to have muslims, hindus, christians, jews, sikhs, jains, maulanas, pundits, RSS BJP supporters, pakistan supporters, congressees, lalu mulayam maywati supporters, bajrang dal supporters, shakha members, in his aquaintainces and friends and family frineds circles. The ones I disagree with I try to distance myslef but never have I intended any harm to any one of them or have ignored thier good opinions based on thier "particulars". IN Basoda I am doing exactly what your are doing in OUT WEST, US.. trying to know what other people think on issues of my inerest via this message board. Beyond that should be non of your buisiness. Peter Michael ganjbasoda, India
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 19	Peter Michael : As we say here in the US : Do you have any skin in this game ( " what are your stakes in the India - Pakistan / Hindu - Loslem conflict, what are your own origins ) ?? Your opinion ( / preachings to Hindua ) can be taken seriously only if you first reveal your own particulars e,g. what are you doing in Basoda, MP ? ). gaurav out west, United States
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 18	"there is a professor at the IIM, Bangalore, who is advocating a total, comprehensive economic,political and cultural boycott of Pakistan" If I recall correctly, India has Pakistan in the Most Favoured Nation status. It used to be this way and I still think it is. We are true "turn the other cheek" people. Ganesan Nj, USA
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 17	Peter Michael, instead of your approach, which is to do absolutely nothing( unless I've missed something in your postings) there is a professor at the IIM, Bangalore, who is advocating a total, comprehensive economic,political and cultural boycott of Pakistan. Not only that, but India should be very adamant that any country supplying weaponry to Pakistan will face restrictions or penalties( economic) where India is concerned. Now, you may criticise, even denigrate this method, but if you have better ideas, let's hear them. By "better ideas", I DO NOT mean lecturing and hectoring Indians about injustices in India itself, or about expressing highly lofty feelings about 'common humanity'. This is positively NOT the time for that. Varun Shekhar Toronto, CANADA
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 16	"If you are fine with these terrorist act then you should not have any problems when "WE" do that to Muslims. " Ram: See this is the problem. You want to respond by "doing that to Muslims" what the terrorists did to Indians that included hindu muslims and others. The list of list of dead and injured in Mumbai includes 17 dead and 30 Injured muslims. You intend to do exactly what the terrorists did. They think all Indians are reponsible for whatever to their mind is India's wrongdoing (be it Kashmir, Gujarat or whatever). If not responsible they al least think that all Indians shold be punished for what they perceive as wrongs of Indian Administration. "WE" also have the same intention of a collective punishment. In fact "WE" want to direct it at muslims. Your argument might have had some argumental validity if you had said - "WE do the same to Pakistanis isntead of muslims. And if you really think that by "doing the same to muslims" you will be an iota of Unnikrishnan or will be "eating bullet for breakfast" you not only a mirror image of the terrosirsts mentality but you are also insulting the sacrifice of Unnikrishnan. And to show that kind of bravery you don't really need to enlist in the military, just go to a muslim you know ( I am sure being Keralite you might know quite a few of them) and kill his whole family and you might get your vendetta. Peter Michael ganjbasoda, India
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 15	"You surely don't believe that Islamic terrorists have some legitimate underlying cause, that explains these terrorist acts?" Varun-I do believe that these terrorists or people sending them have an unerlying casue..."is it legitimate?".. is up for debate..... Does it explain or even justify these terrorist acts .. Absolutely NOT. And for heaven's sake can we try to keep our comments/thoughts separate from a person's background. I might be a muslim, hindu, christian, athiest, agonist, maoist or whatever it should not matter. Especialy on this messageboard where a person's given name might be totally madeup. "At least, wait for Indians from India, and that too Hindus, to hijack a fishing boat, decapitiate the crew, then land on an Islamic country's biggest cities and commence a murdering spree." As for this part, some indians (Assam, Mizoram, Chattisgarh, Bihar, AP -- Naxals) are already doing it. And don't forget Gujarat carnage done by Hindus (I will accept your argument that it was done in response to Godhra) on Indian Soil to muslims and it was a murder spree. (I will reiterate that things like gujarat murder spree do not justify things like Mumbai attacks). Afer Mumbai do you feel an anger , a sense of hatred for muslims insdide you, that wants you to carpet bomb all muslims, or carpet bomb paksitan, kill them all, teach them a lesson, give your own life if need be, because you don;t care about right or wrong anymore, you just want a revenge. I sincerely hope that you did not loose someone very close in the mumbai attacks but for some one who did these feelings might be more than just feelings.. he just wants to do it. But ask yourself is it worth it. Carpet bomb , war, mass killing in response to attacks like mumbai will only create more people on the other side who are ready to keep on doing it. Do I have a solution ... NO but that does not justify opting for a insane solution. Peter Michael ganjbasoda, India
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 14	Mr Peter, I have no problems with Pakistan Nationalists. I do not want Indian government to moan or mourn on deaths instead do a clean sweep on Pakistan. If you are fine with these terrorist act then you should not have any problems when "WE" do that to Muslims. That time please don't moan like a prostitute. Are you ready? We are from the land of Unnikrishnan, we can eat bullet for breakfast. How about you???? Ram Kerela, India
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 13	Peter Michael, your equation of Indians( Like Ram of Kerala) with these mass murderers from Pakistan is absolutely revolting. At least, wait for Indians from India, and that too Hindus, to hijack a fishing boat, decapitiate the crew, then land on an Islamic country's biggest cities and commence a murdering spree. Then you can draw a link. Otherwise, what you are saying is perverse. To repeat, one notices a tendency of Christians to take a position opposite of the mainstream Hindu middle class. Why is that? You surely don't believe that Islamic terrorists have some legitimate underlying cause, that explains these terrorist acts? Varun Shekhar Toronto, CANADA
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 12	by publishing these type of articlaes, OUTLOOK makes sure that the rift between hindus and muslims remains. these paracites like OUTLOOK should be hanged first. namo4 London, United Kingdom
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 11	after trying to make a show of nationalism, OUTLOOK is back on track. blaming hindus and so called attrocities commited against "innocent" muslims. the abhinav bharat also say the same thing. they also show attrocities commited against hindus in kashmir, bangla desh etc. why can't OUTLOOK give publicity to that. OUTLOOK is more dangerous than pakistan and al qaida. namo4 London, United Kingdom
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 10	I pity the editorial board of Outlook, which has given a green signal for such a MISLEADING HEADLINE. Much to my chagrin, I could not relate your headline with the story after reading the whole stuff. How can you stoop so low, leaving aside professional ethics for the sake of more readership and clicks. Let me suggest some headlines that will definitely increase your readership. (you can use these for any article) 1. Sonia Gandhi into prostitution to woo voters 2. Dawood eyes PM's post 3. India recriuts LeT shooters for 2012 Games Dileep Bangalore, India
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 9	You never know, Booker Prize bhi mil sakta hai. gajanan Sydney, Australia
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 8	http://timesofindia.ind...articleshow/3819386.cms Rohit Gidwani San Fransisco, United States
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 7	In the spirit of Indian succularism where in we provide spa treatment to Madani and refuse to hang Afsal even after conviction, we need to rectify the mistake done to this young misguided youth. The least we can do, in that spirit is to award him a Gyan Peet award for writing excellence. Or Sahitya Academy award(I am not sure which one applies in this case). But whatever the highest award is out there, it must be given to this young misguided individual. Succularism is at stake! And he might also be given the usual Padma Bhushan or Padma Shree. That will show compassion. Ganesan Nj, USA
Dec 10, 2008 12:00 AM 6	Ashwin I am a regular reader but a first time writer. I know exactly what you meant. Not a big deal man.. just acknowledge it .. you have been owned. Or is this the reality of all your jingoism.. couldn't even acknowledge a honest mistake. Dost tumharu ghrina (hate/nafrat) aur tumhara phattupana match karta hai. Peter Michael ganjbasoda, India
Dec 10, 2008 12:00 AM 5	>>"Abay chapad ganju (idiot) Ashwin! there is no author ..these are supposedly the words of the surviving terrorist who name is "MOHAMMAD AJMAL AMIR" that are reproduced here VERBATIM." Mr.Peter, thanks for enlightening me. If you are a regular reader of Outlook, you might agree with me that it has a lot of Pro-Muslim and anti-Hindu articles in the name of being (pseudo)secular. My comment was meant to be a jab at outlook. If you have been regular to this site and reading my posts, you would have known. Ashwin Jersey City, United States
Dec 10, 2008 12:00 AM 4	"Very misleading title...maybe because its been posted by a Muslim author???" Abay chapad ganju (idiot) Ashwin! there is no author ..these are supposedly the words of the surviving terrorist who name is "MOHAMMAD AJMAL AMIR" that are reproduced here VERBATIM. So if someone is to be blamed it is the editor who must have had the final word on the tittle of the article. Secondly Ram from Kerala...What you allege is exactly what is missing from his statement or account of activities/training etc. I recommend that you read it .. This guy talks absolutely nothing about Islamic Jihad or how he got motivated. To me he appears to be a petty robber wannabe gunda who wanted to acquire and learn to use weappons for his robberies and ended up being with these guys. The guys he ended up with appear to be nationalists and not islamists (his daily routine included only three prayers instead of five). He motivation seems to be partly money and partly nationalist (like Ram from Kerala .... with a "either they live or WE live" attitude). Peter Michael ganjbasoda, India
Dec 10, 2008 12:00 AM 3	Very misleading title...maybe because its been posted by a Muslim author??? You guys do such s*** and then accuse us of being anti-muslim! Ashwin Jersey City, United States
Dec 10, 2008 12:00 AM 2	What a misleading headline.... This is just 1 small sentence in the entire statement... Indian media please stop trying to sensationalizing every thing you get your hands on and do some real reporting Why could you have just headlined it as 'a motherfucker terrorists statement / confession' or 'incrimination of pakistan in a statement by Mumbai terrorist'? Shame on you Outlook...shame on you... Rhapsodizer India, India
Dec 10, 2008 12:00 AM 1	Are we supposed to read this hole text and get impressed with Islamic Jihad!!!! NOT Impressed. I have not read single line and I am NOT going to read a single letter in it. We don't care how he gets motivated. For a Paki terrorist there is no reason to be explained for attacking innocent Indians. All we need is a war. If they want Indians to live in their terms, then either they live or "WE" live!!! Ram Kerela, India

Dec 10, 2008 12:00 AM 1	Are we supposed to read this hole text and get impressed with Islamic Jihad!!!! NOT Impressed. I have not read single line and I am NOT going to read a single letter in it. We don't care how he gets motivated. For a Paki terrorist there is no reason to be explained for attacking innocent Indians. All we need is a war. If they want Indians to live in their terms, then either they live or "WE" live!!! Ram Kerela, India
Dec 10, 2008 12:00 AM 2	What a misleading headline.... This is just 1 small sentence in the entire statement... Indian media please stop trying to sensationalizing every thing you get your hands on and do some real reporting Why could you have just headlined it as 'a motherfucker terrorists statement / confession' or 'incrimination of pakistan in a statement by Mumbai terrorist'? Shame on you Outlook...shame on you... Rhapsodizer India, India
Dec 10, 2008 12:00 AM 3	Very misleading title...maybe because its been posted by a Muslim author??? You guys do such s*** and then accuse us of being anti-muslim! Ashwin Jersey City, United States
Dec 10, 2008 12:00 AM 4	"Very misleading title...maybe because its been posted by a Muslim author???" Abay chapad ganju (idiot) Ashwin! there is no author ..these are supposedly the words of the surviving terrorist who name is "MOHAMMAD AJMAL AMIR" that are reproduced here VERBATIM. So if someone is to be blamed it is the editor who must have had the final word on the tittle of the article. Secondly Ram from Kerala...What you allege is exactly what is missing from his statement or account of activities/training etc. I recommend that you read it .. This guy talks absolutely nothing about Islamic Jihad or how he got motivated. To me he appears to be a petty robber wannabe gunda who wanted to acquire and learn to use weappons for his robberies and ended up being with these guys. The guys he ended up with appear to be nationalists and not islamists (his daily routine included only three prayers instead of five). He motivation seems to be partly money and partly nationalist (like Ram from Kerala .... with a "either they live or WE live" attitude). Peter Michael ganjbasoda, India
Dec 10, 2008 12:00 AM 5	>>"Abay chapad ganju (idiot) Ashwin! there is no author ..these are supposedly the words of the surviving terrorist who name is "MOHAMMAD AJMAL AMIR" that are reproduced here VERBATIM." Mr.Peter, thanks for enlightening me. If you are a regular reader of Outlook, you might agree with me that it has a lot of Pro-Muslim and anti-Hindu articles in the name of being (pseudo)secular. My comment was meant to be a jab at outlook. If you have been regular to this site and reading my posts, you would have known. Ashwin Jersey City, United States
Dec 10, 2008 12:00 AM 6	Ashwin I am a regular reader but a first time writer. I know exactly what you meant. Not a big deal man.. just acknowledge it .. you have been owned. Or is this the reality of all your jingoism.. couldn't even acknowledge a honest mistake. Dost tumharu ghrina (hate/nafrat) aur tumhara phattupana match karta hai. Peter Michael ganjbasoda, India
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 7	In the spirit of Indian succularism where in we provide spa treatment to Madani and refuse to hang Afsal even after conviction, we need to rectify the mistake done to this young misguided youth. The least we can do, in that spirit is to award him a Gyan Peet award for writing excellence. Or Sahitya Academy award(I am not sure which one applies in this case). But whatever the highest award is out there, it must be given to this young misguided individual. Succularism is at stake! And he might also be given the usual Padma Bhushan or Padma Shree. That will show compassion. Ganesan Nj, USA
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 8	http://timesofindia.ind...articleshow/3819386.cms Rohit Gidwani San Fransisco, United States
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 9	You never know, Booker Prize bhi mil sakta hai. gajanan Sydney, Australia
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 10	I pity the editorial board of Outlook, which has given a green signal for such a MISLEADING HEADLINE. Much to my chagrin, I could not relate your headline with the story after reading the whole stuff. How can you stoop so low, leaving aside professional ethics for the sake of more readership and clicks. Let me suggest some headlines that will definitely increase your readership. (you can use these for any article) 1. Sonia Gandhi into prostitution to woo voters 2. Dawood eyes PM's post 3. India recriuts LeT shooters for 2012 Games Dileep Bangalore, India
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 11	after trying to make a show of nationalism, OUTLOOK is back on track. blaming hindus and so called attrocities commited against "innocent" muslims. the abhinav bharat also say the same thing. they also show attrocities commited against hindus in kashmir, bangla desh etc. why can't OUTLOOK give publicity to that. OUTLOOK is more dangerous than pakistan and al qaida. namo4 London, United Kingdom
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 12	by publishing these type of articlaes, OUTLOOK makes sure that the rift between hindus and muslims remains. these paracites like OUTLOOK should be hanged first. namo4 London, United Kingdom
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 13	Peter Michael, your equation of Indians( Like Ram of Kerala) with these mass murderers from Pakistan is absolutely revolting. At least, wait for Indians from India, and that too Hindus, to hijack a fishing boat, decapitiate the crew, then land on an Islamic country's biggest cities and commence a murdering spree. Then you can draw a link. Otherwise, what you are saying is perverse. To repeat, one notices a tendency of Christians to take a position opposite of the mainstream Hindu middle class. Why is that? You surely don't believe that Islamic terrorists have some legitimate underlying cause, that explains these terrorist acts? Varun Shekhar Toronto, CANADA
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 14	Mr Peter, I have no problems with Pakistan Nationalists. I do not want Indian government to moan or mourn on deaths instead do a clean sweep on Pakistan. If you are fine with these terrorist act then you should not have any problems when "WE" do that to Muslims. That time please don't moan like a prostitute. Are you ready? We are from the land of Unnikrishnan, we can eat bullet for breakfast. How about you???? Ram Kerela, India
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 15	"You surely don't believe that Islamic terrorists have some legitimate underlying cause, that explains these terrorist acts?" Varun-I do believe that these terrorists or people sending them have an unerlying casue..."is it legitimate?".. is up for debate..... Does it explain or even justify these terrorist acts .. Absolutely NOT. And for heaven's sake can we try to keep our comments/thoughts separate from a person's background. I might be a muslim, hindu, christian, athiest, agonist, maoist or whatever it should not matter. Especialy on this messageboard where a person's given name might be totally madeup. "At least, wait for Indians from India, and that too Hindus, to hijack a fishing boat, decapitiate the crew, then land on an Islamic country's biggest cities and commence a murdering spree." As for this part, some indians (Assam, Mizoram, Chattisgarh, Bihar, AP -- Naxals) are already doing it. And don't forget Gujarat carnage done by Hindus (I will accept your argument that it was done in response to Godhra) on Indian Soil to muslims and it was a murder spree. (I will reiterate that things like gujarat murder spree do not justify things like Mumbai attacks). Afer Mumbai do you feel an anger , a sense of hatred for muslims insdide you, that wants you to carpet bomb all muslims, or carpet bomb paksitan, kill them all, teach them a lesson, give your own life if need be, because you don;t care about right or wrong anymore, you just want a revenge. I sincerely hope that you did not loose someone very close in the mumbai attacks but for some one who did these feelings might be more than just feelings.. he just wants to do it. But ask yourself is it worth it. Carpet bomb , war, mass killing in response to attacks like mumbai will only create more people on the other side who are ready to keep on doing it. Do I have a solution ... NO but that does not justify opting for a insane solution. Peter Michael ganjbasoda, India
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM 16	"If you are fine with these terrorist act then you should not have any problems when "WE" do that to Muslims. " Ram: See this is the problem. You want to respond by "doing that to Muslims" what the terrorists did to Indians that included hindu muslims and others. The list of list of dead and injured in Mumbai includes 17 dead and 30 Injured muslims. You intend to do exactly what the terrorists did. They think all Indians are reponsible for whatever to their mind is India's wrongdoing (be it Kashmir, Gujarat or whatever). If not responsible they al least think that all Indians shold be punished for what they perceive as wrongs of Indian Administration. "WE" also have the same intention of a collective punishment. In fact "WE" want to direct it at muslims. Your argument might have had some argumental validity if you had said - "WE do the same to Pakistanis isntead of muslims. And if you really think that by "doing the same to muslims" you will be an iota of Unnikrishnan or will be "eating bullet for breakfast" you not only a mirror image of the terrosirsts mentality but you are also insulting the sacrifice of Unnikrishnan. And to show that kind of bravery you don't really need to enlist in the military, just go to a muslim you know ( I am sure being Keralite you might know quite a few of them) and kill his whole family and you might get your vendetta. Peter Michael ganjbasoda, India
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 17	Peter Michael, instead of your approach, which is to do absolutely nothing( unless I've missed something in your postings) there is a professor at the IIM, Bangalore, who is advocating a total, comprehensive economic,political and cultural boycott of Pakistan. Not only that, but India should be very adamant that any country supplying weaponry to Pakistan will face restrictions or penalties( economic) where India is concerned. Now, you may criticise, even denigrate this method, but if you have better ideas, let's hear them. By "better ideas", I DO NOT mean lecturing and hectoring Indians about injustices in India itself, or about expressing highly lofty feelings about 'common humanity'. This is positively NOT the time for that. Varun Shekhar Toronto, CANADA
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 18	"there is a professor at the IIM, Bangalore, who is advocating a total, comprehensive economic,political and cultural boycott of Pakistan" If I recall correctly, India has Pakistan in the Most Favoured Nation status. It used to be this way and I still think it is. We are true "turn the other cheek" people. Ganesan Nj, USA
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 19	Peter Michael : As we say here in the US : Do you have any skin in this game ( " what are your stakes in the India - Pakistan / Hindu - Loslem conflict, what are your own origins ) ?? Your opinion ( / preachings to Hindua ) can be taken seriously only if you first reveal your own particulars e,g. what are you doing in Basoda, MP ? ). gaurav out west, United States
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 20	Varun: Finally good to see some sane thoughts from you. The IIM professor's ideal is great. I am all for it. Except it seems he also a "jingo" element in his proposal. I am referring to "Not only that, but India should be very adamant that any country supplying weaponry to Pakistan will face restrictions or penalties( economic) where India is concerned" part. This is laughable and puts the professors understanding of inernational politics to question. He means India putting sanctions on US, UK, China, which actaully translates into these countries putting putting sanctions on India, which means most jingoists on this forum leave their present abodes and head for India or seek asylum in US or UK and never return to India. Forget India, at present due to economic inter-dependency even US cannot put pressure on China. Lets say, India gets some LB Shastri-like leader once again and dares to do what you said, are the Indian Bollywood-Cricket crazy masses (especially the selfish middle class which I also comem from) ready to make that sacrifice. Boss we are not prepared to stand patiently in ques at Cinema Houses, rlwy stations and banks and prefer our services rendered to us through backdoor means. Most of us do not love our country and I say so becasue love of the country does not start with heroic talk a the time of calamity but it stsrts with very small things like picking up the garbage (either yours or others) from a public place and putting it in the trash can. It stars with giving the police constable his due respsect by adressing him as "sir" before expecting him to talk to you adressing as "sir". We are not prepared to do that. Now, one of you might say, I am and I actually do that. The real question is how many of US are ready to that and when we do that we do not feel as if we have been extra nice. I am sorry if all this sounds "lecturing" because most people includin myslef do not prefer "idealism talk". But believe me this honest.. and this is not idealism, this actaully expressing love for your country. Becasue many of us actually do all the above but in the confines of our homes. Gaurav: I am guessing you figured out the reason for my chosen forum name and may be have had some associations with MP or Basoda. If not ignore the above two lines. I have a lot of skin in this game, probably more than you do. And that is why as long as someone comes up with good opinion I will respect it, irrespective of his/her perticualrs. My particulars can summarized as an Indian who happens to have muslims, hindus, christians, jews, sikhs, jains, maulanas, pundits, RSS BJP supporters, pakistan supporters, congressees, lalu mulayam maywati supporters, bajrang dal supporters, shakha members, in his aquaintainces and friends and family frineds circles. The ones I disagree with I try to distance myslef but never have I intended any harm to any one of them or have ignored thier good opinions based on thier "particulars". IN Basoda I am doing exactly what your are doing in OUT WEST, US.. trying to know what other people think on issues of my inerest via this message board. Beyond that should be non of your buisiness. Peter Michael ganjbasoda, India
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 21	Was the murderous thug was not shown the atrocities committed by Islamic fascists and egotistic males in Pakistan? If so he could have probably diverted his attention on fighting that evil near home. However he is in good hands. The Indian government will keep him in jail for life and not hang him. If he is lucky he might get out on parole too. Cheers! Vic Sangha Toronto, Canada
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 22	Ajmal Amir Kasab like Afzal Guru will be under the hospitality of Congresswallahs. If any Muslim is frightened by the way Chidambarams or Pranabs or Manmohans (Laloos and Paswans have kept quiet) condemned the Satanic Muslim terror there is nothing to worry. Congress will be at its best soon: with mullahs and moulivis eating out of its hand. Mullah Congress aka Reserved Congress will soon be back at its dirty tricks. Kasab will be kept in royal animation until LeT stage manages to hijack a IA plane and then he will be let free. There is nothing to worry for any anti-national Muslim. There is no place like India as far as safety and peace of mind is concerned. Rane had accused the Vilasrao govt of helping the terrorists who brought Armageddon to Mumbai. This is possible because RR Patil and Sharad Pawar are the ones who were instrumental in filing bogus cases against Sadhvi and Col Purohit to get political mileage. These traitors brought the poor deceased Karkare to mouth false charges against the Sadhvi. Of course Nemesis has punished Karkare for his gory sin. The enemy is within ourselves and not in Pakistan. WHY BLAME PAKISTAN AND OVERLOOK PAWARS AND PATILS? These political enemies of ours are termites who are eating the internal vitals of this nation slowly and surely. Pranab Mukherjee says war is not the solution. Pray, when will it become a solution? After Pakistan throws a couple of atom bombs on our head? It is sickening that these cowards are the foreign minsters and prime ministers. THEY DON'T EVEN FEEL ASHAMED WHEN PAKISTAN TAUNTS THEM AND LAUGHS AT THEIR FACE. How can they when all they know is to use reservations to help the backward rich to feather their own nests called votebanks? Have they not stabbed Bharat Mata repeatedly through quotas and rejoiced as she bled to death? siddharth Chennai, India
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 23	Mr Peter, I don’t care what terrorists wanted but I simply do not tolerate my country becoming target of enemies across and within. I just mentioned Muslims because they have no problems admitting only expecting Hindus to be nicer after killing “us” – when I say “US”, “WE”, please do not include Christians like “YOU” who have no problems Hindus getting killed. So it is only my heart is naturally burning to see my countrymen (again, am talking about those who believe India is the ONLY sacred place in the whole universe and I do not consider those who believe Vatican or Mecca as their ultimate place) getting killed at the hands of terrorists. I don’t mind to be a terrorist for terrorist!!! Just like GWB did to terrorist, I just want India to do the same. Invade Pakistan, kill as many as possible, ofcourse, it will not go without retaliation or even nuclear war, but that’s ok considering the fact we have the guts to fight this menace. Since you have openly said that terrorists are nationalists and their killing should be only taken in that spirit, when things like Gujarath aftermath or Babri masjid demolition (though it was just an old building considering the aftermath of Babri Masjid where many Hindus got killed, it was nothing), please stop talking about secularism and Indian constitution for heaven sake. Hindus can not expect loyalty from Muslims or Christians for obvious reasons since they are a cmpromised lot. Christians go to Vatican for local issues and Muslims in India fight for some unrelated issues in Iraq or Afgan Ram Kerela, India
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 24	India can act in three ways: 1. Elect BJP and bomb Pakistan. 2. Retain Congress and seduce Pakistan with the Bollywood beauties. 3. Bomb the Tribal belts in Pakistan with CURRENCY NOTES. Crazy? Zak NY, United States
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 25	Peter Michael, if the US, UK, Germany and other liberal countries see that such a big, democratic, dynamic country like India is really outraged and disgusted by Pakistan, to the extent that there is a total Indian economic and political boycott ofPakistan, they will be hesitant at least, to do any major business with it. And yes, that certainly includes selling weapons. The problem is in India's will, not the non-feasibility of the task. India is still seen as not being ultra-serious about isolating and boycotting Pakistan, so these other countries figure, why should we be serious? Here is where the Indian public has to pressure the government to really act, instead of being pusillanimous or dilly-dallying. Agree that China is more problematic than the Western democracies, but that is no excuse for India not to do everything in its own power, to quarantine Pakistan. In the concerned article, the professor of IIM makes the acute observation that the Indian advocates of generosity and amity with Pakistan have been proven wrong over and over again. The country is totally dominated by the military- even its stock market is 70% owned by the military- and they will never change. Varun Shekhar Toronto, CANADA
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 26	Ram: to this "Just like GWB did to terrorist, I just want India to do the same. Invade Pakistan, kill as many as possible, ofcourse, it will not go without retaliation or even nuclear war, but that’s ok considering the fact we have the guts to fight this menace" I have only one thing to say. With this thought process I gurantee your voice will never heard beyond these anonymous message boards. And when occasionaly heard, will never be taken seriously. So until you are taken seriously, rest your guts in peace. Despite all your hatred for mulims and christians, you still fail to acknowledge that the terrrorists killed Vatican going and Mecca going chrsitians and muslims aas well. But I do not expect that from you as that is beyond your mickey mouse brain matter. Secondly your "WE" and "US" does not include muslims and christians. You have al the right to "THINK" or IMAGINE so but indeed you will be hallucinating in a fools paradise. I do not consider India to be the most sacred place to be living and neither do I consider my family/ parent's home to be the most sacred place. But still I can and do love my country and my home and my countrymen and my famiily members. And my love for them is much more sacred than your slimy hatred for people who are not in your belief/faith domain. Keep dreaming Ram.. your RamRajya with just "US" not "THEMS" can only exist in yor dreams. BTW .. how old are you? 16? ;) Peter Michael ganjbasoda, India
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 27	Varun: Very valid points indeed. But you see even when the answer is "Blowin in the wind" i.e to say "The problem is in India's will, not the non-feasibility of the task." and Here is where the Indian public has to pressure the government to really act" Indian public (including myself) fall into threee categories broardly 1. Ram from Kerala kinds (nuke em all!) 2. Shobha De Arundhati Rai kind (listen to us we are the elite and we have a lot of talk to offer) 3. and people who are really willing to chnage the whole system, how things are managed, and want to start with themselves (like picking up your trash on the street and being patient with each other and really care for people and things/public roperty/services in the country as they do at home). Do not travel,bank, fly and suffer a loss if you are made to do things in ways other they are supposed to be. Insist on getting things done the right way even if that means personal loss. We are too selfish to do this. This third kind are ery rare and we often mock at such people. What has this got to do with dealing with terrorism? Everything. You talked about "India's will" and we cannot get good, strong willing honest leaders until we become good, honest, country lovign people. Our leaders are only a reflection of our own "pusillanimous or dilly-dallying" attitudes. And as long as we have these "pusillanimous or dilly-dallying" leaders governing a "pusillanimous or dilly-dallying" people nothing is going to change. The category 1 and 2 will keep on getting catered by these leaders becasue category three exists only in our minds but not in our actions. Its sad that we are not prepared to suffer small losses for becoming category three but are eager to become to become category 1 or 2 when we suffer mumbai like big losses. Peter Michael ganjbasoda, India
Dec 12, 2008 12:00 AM 28	Mr Peter Parker, Wait and see in India, we are prepared for the maximum sacrifice. Traitors like you who DO NOT consider India as the most sacred place (thanks for your open admission and your allegiance towards Vatican being a Christian) need not comment on India any more. Your love is limited until you harvest the maximum!!! After that you look for your next target. We Hindus can take care of this country for whatever its worth. You are more than welcome to shield behind your Vatican boss!!! We Hindus have bosses ONLY in this country NOT outside unlike cowards like you. We do not have money or military power but we have the courage to stand against aggression. Winning or losing is attributed to God of ALL lords, Krishna. We only do our duty in protecting our home land from aggressor, terrorists and traitors. Mine is not about love but passion for my mother-land and I am pretty sure your crocodile tears of love will not lost long and we are least bothered about your support or opposition. Ram Kerela, India
Dec 13, 2008 12:00 AM 29	Peter, you utterly spoiled your message by bringing up the mundane foibles of Indians( which do exist). That's tasteless, irrelevant and stupid. It's like someone saying "The Mumbai massacre was bad, but we should help ourselves by refraining from spitting on the street" Now is not the time for these things. The sole task is to find ways to punish and isolate Pakistan. Period. Varun Shekhar Toronto, CANADA
Dec 14, 2008 12:00 AM 30	After Chadrayaan-1, Mr. Zardari (10%), Gilani, LET masood, JUD Hafiz meet to discuss indias probe to moon. Hafiz: how can india terrorise us by sending a probe to moon (Remember according to islam CHAND is their holy object) when we them( india)attack on earth, this is cheating, we have to go to UN with protest. Zardari: dont worry we will ask AQ KHAN to become father of SPACE program (he can import tech from china and korea and become its father as in earlier cases). Masood interrupts: so that we can be the first country to put a "terrornomer" ( equal to astronomer but with a AK47 & a chinese grenade)on moon and kill all the infidels & their satelites. Gilani puts in: ya.. we can show the world what we are capable of. Hafiz protests: according to islam we have to do ULTA if others send rocket & man to space why cant we send rocket and "terrornomer" below earth. Hamid Mir, Geo TV joins in: we will whip up all the sentiments about this project, if we suceed w will say we have over taken the world and included moon also in our list to export our holy warriors. if it fails we will attribute the failure to HINDU-MOSSAD-ZIONIST sabotage. They try to send the rocket named "JIHAD" with "terrornomer" but it fails. (DOWNWARDS to the earth) INDIAN english media, Rajdeep Sardesai: Mr. Modi sabotaged pakistani space program, we have to consider this as terrorism on pakistan, poor country it is devastated. whole of BJP, RSS, VHP, HINDUS are mainly reponsible. Manmohan Singh: madame sonia gandhi is deeply hurt because of modi's act of terror on pakistan, we will extradite him to pakistan to stand trial. " Indian People never think how Mr. Modi is reponsible for this, they never think" venkat bengaluru, India
Dec 14, 2008 12:00 AM 31	Actually, there is one of the major motives or "underlying causes" for the Mumbai massacre that Venkat has referred to : sheer jealousy at the relative success of a neighbouring country. When India is mentioned, yes the subject of povery, illiteracy, separatism and corruption is raised, as it should be. But so are major achievements like the moon mission, the developments in IT, Biotech, pharmaceuticals,animation, medical transcription, the nuclear deal, the anti-piracy operations off Somalia, the world chess championship, Indian companies competing abroad and also buying foreign companies, and several others. Pakistan is just mentioned in the context of "dispute" with India over Kashmir, support for terror, army rule, accusations and counter-accusations with India about supporting terror. Which gives you the true nature of Pakistan. Varun Shekhar Toronto, CANADA
Dec 15, 2008 12:00 AM 32	Varun:>>"The sole task is to find ways to punish and isolate Pakistan. Period" Right. Banning them for an year from international cricket for an year, may have the punishing and isolating effect required. v.seshadri chennai, india

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