Terror
Seven Questions
A colleague asked, 'So, what is your conspiracy theory about these horrible happenings?' Conspiracy theory I have none, but I do have a set of seven questions that have elicited no definitive answer in the current chatter and intrigue me no end.
After various conjectures, speculations and angry or anguished advice had eaten up miles of footage and reams of newsprint in the wake of the nightmarish Mumbai carnage, a colleague still asked, 'So, what is your conspiracy theory about these horrible happenings?' Conspiracy theory I have none, but I do have a set of seven questions that have elicited no definitive answer in the current chatter and intrigue me no end. Here they are.

  • How many terrorists struck Mumbai on the fateful night of November 26? We are sure about minimum 10 as the security personnel managed to slay nine in fierce encounters and capture one alive. But the police claim to have found 15 sets of blankets and winter jackets on the speedboat that witnessed the murder of its crew members and is supposed to have been hijacked by the terrorists for transporting themselves to Mumbai from Porbandar in Gujarat. Besides, News Channel Aaj Tak telecast the interview of a supposedly rescued victim Sajan Kapur, who claimed he was sent to the Taj hotel by ATS officer Vijay Salaskar and had seen around 17 terrorists there and not just four as claimed the security agencies. Will anyone explain these different figures?

  • Coming to Sajan Kapur, a friend points out in a write up on the web that this guy just vanished from the scene after the Aaj Tak telecast. No other channel or newspaper pursued him nor did Aaj Tak follow up on his claims. Why this blackout? Did he prove to be a phony witness who gave a misleading account? If so, with what intent? Or was he whisked away by the security agencies for investigation and they are keeping it hush-hush?

  • Kapur's account on Aaj Tak was interesting. He claimed to have overheard an exchange between two of the terrorists, who openly flaunted their Pakistani links, in which one asked how much money these Indian politicians had and the other replied what is that to do with you as you have received your amount. Did Kapur imply that the attackers were Pakistanis paid off by Indian politicians? With Kapur vanishing from the scene, there is nobody to explain this part of his story either or his credibility or motive.

  • Coming to the hijacked boat, the police account reported in the media suggests a mystery in the nature of its ownership and control. The legal owner Masani disclaims any knowledge about its actual operations as he had handed over its control to his brother through a power of attorney. The brother had in turn sublet it to somebody else who hired other people to run it. What is this mystery of legal ownership being at four removed from the people who operated the boat? And what kind of operations was the boat usually involved in?

  • The boat's hijacking at Porbandar in Gujarat testifies to a local support structure for the terrorists. Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi does not tire of continuously claiming to have generally rolled up terrorist networks in his state. He has also been very vehement in blaming the center and the Maharashtra government for the attackers being able to reach Mumbai unhindered. He also claims to have warned the Maharashtra government about the possibility of an attack on Mumbai launched from the sea. How come the terrorists found themselves bold enough to launch the attack from the coast of Gujarat, a state he rules with an iron hand?

  • The question of the strange coincidence of Pakistani terrorists finishing off the top leadership, including Hemant Karkare, of the ATS involved in probing a supposedly Hindutva terrorist cell whose avowed aim was to retaliate violently against Pakistan sponsored terrorism is also intriguing and needs explanation. I am not suggesting that the Hindutva extremists hired Pakistanis to do their hatchet job and in the process gave them the bonus of additional carnage to satisfy their murderous instincts but wondering about the circumstances of ATS leadership being led into a position of extreme vulnerability to terrorist fire.

  • And finally, how is it that whenever the Hindu rightist extreme seems to be in dire straits as with the current Sadhvi-Purohit-Pandey terror investigations, some violent action undertaken supposedly on behalf of Muslims or Pakistan, as the case may be, comes to their aid and also vice versa? For instance, recent Delhi blasts overshadowed the violence against Christians by Hindutva extremists in Orissa, burning of karsevaks on a train in Godhra and Akshardham attack respectively helped Narendra Modi in elections. And Kargil had helped both the BJP and Musharraf in their bid for power in their respective countries. Who plays whom or is there another unseen puppeteer?
 
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Jul 20, 2009 08:13 PM
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"In the dock with Kasab are two Indians. Sabauddin Ahmed Sheikh and Fahim Ansari, as co-accused in the case. They also face serious charges of helping the conspirators. They allegedly helped Kasab's handlers in Pakistan get maps and photographs of Mumbai.

In court, the three accused sit next to each other on a wooden bench for some six hours everyday. Sometimes they exchange a few words among themselves. When the American Federal Bureau of Investigation questioned Ansari he reportedly told them that he got training from the Lashkar-e-Tayiba in Pakistan, including the 21-day Daura Aam (ordinary tour) basic combat course which was followed by a rigorous three-month advanced Daura Khaas (special tour) and later the Daura-e-Ribat (intelligence course).

The police also claim that Fahim conducted detailed reconnaissance of the locations with the help of information provided by Sabauddin. Fahim prepared the maps and handed them over to Sabauddin in Kathmandu, Nepal, some time in January 2008. Sheikh and Ansari have pleaded not guilty in the case."

http://news.rediff.c...exposes-pakistan.htm

Even last week our Congress Govt said there is no involvement of local Muslims .
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Jul 20, 2009 07:30 PM
149
Somebody should send a copy of Pak dossier to this flimsy writer.
dip
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Jul 20, 2009 07:29 PM
148
Somebody should send the Pak dossier to this flimsy writer.
dip
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Jul 20, 2009 07:03 PM
147
"This wouldhave ckeare dall your doubts."

This would have answered your Seven Unanswered Questions .Or the whole confession of Kasab could be another coup de grace by the Abhinavies ??
happy ram ambalvi
Ambala Cantt, India
Jul 20, 2009 06:58 PM
146
Dear Sh,Neelabh Misra

As an alert writer you must have known by now that Mohamad Ajmal Amir Kasab has laid bare the consipiracy .This wouldhave ckeare dall your doubts.

You wondered "The question of the strange coincidence of Pakistani terrorists finishing off the top leadership, including Hemant Karkare, of the ATS involved in probing a supposedly Hindutva terrorist cell whose avowed aim was to retaliate violently against Pakistan sponsored terrorism is also intriguing and needs explanation."

Mohamad Ajaml Amir Kasab has owned up Police Officers' killings.

"And finally, how is it that whenever the Hindu rightist extreme seems to be in dire straits as with the current Sadhvi-Purohit-Pandey terror investigations, some violent action undertaken supposedly on behalf of Muslims or Pakistan, as the case may be, comes to their aid and also vice versa? For instance, recent Delhi blasts overshadowed the violence against Christians by Hindutva extremists in Orissa, burning of karsevaks on a train in Godhra and Akshardham attack respectively helped Narendra Modi in elections. And Kargil had helped both the BJP and Musharraf in their bid for power in their respective countries. Who plays whom or is there another unseen puppeteer? "

Your SUPPOSEDLY has been answered by Kasab .


"Who plays whom or is there another unseen puppeteer? "

Well your guess is as good as mine .But I think the Puppeteer is none other than Cook Ramu in Vinod Mehta's house hold.
happy ram ambalvi
Ambala Cantt, India
Apr 14, 2009 12:00 AM
145
Khushi Ram/Minu,

>> The best way is blame everything on the Hindus who will never protest.

The best way to deal with a paranoid hate merchant like you is to let you carry on with your rants by yourself.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Apr 14, 2009 12:00 AM
144
"We are not talking of incidents in which Indian Mujahideen or similar groups were involved."

Anwar sahib

Honestly :

The best way is blame everything on the Hindus who will never protest .And forget the issue .This we the minorities have been doing for the last many many decades.Hindus are really very patient creatures.

Lay a finger on Muslims or we the Christians then hell will break.This is the power of the Secularism !

Let Hindus and Christians try it in Pakistan and they will be lynched.Christians are converting in Pakistan to survive.Whereas in India we are getting every thing still we are cursing.
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Apr 14, 2009 12:00 AM
143
Khushi Ram/Minu,

>> if Islamic jehadies are involved then Secus say false encounters.

We are not talking of incidents in which Indian Mujahideen or similar groups were involved. The cases of Ajmer Sharif, Samjhauta Express, and Mecca Mosque in Hyderabad are considered to be "unsolved".
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Apr 14, 2009 12:00 AM
142
'What does that have to do with Ajmer Saharif? Are you totally batty?'

Simple if Islamic jehadies are involved then Secus say false encounters and fear another 1947.If Samjohta express is blasted then blame Abhinavies.If Kurkari is illed then blame Hindus .

Why can't the new theory of Rajasthan police be aother passing the blame to Bbhinavies read Hindus tick ? Sir these are Election weeks and Congress and pro congress media will surely milk these planted stories to garner Votes .
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Apr 14, 2009 12:00 AM
141
Congressi Maharashtra police says Mumbai Train blasts and Malegaon 1 has been done ny SIMI and muslim Terorists have been arrested and chargesheeted .Hyderabadi Congressi police have arrested Muslim Terrorists for Hyderabad blasts 1 and 2 .

But our maulvies and jaundiced Seculars say the boys are innocents .Mind it the arrests were made by the Secular polices not by the Gujrati police of Modi !

Even for Kukare's encounter Abhinavi's rather hindus' invovement is stated by the Congressi minister Antuli .

Fore the sake of secularism Hindus should own up !! Amen !
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Feb 23, 2009 12:00 AM
140
Nariman House :

Babar : Fire suru hogya.

Handler : Aslama lekin

Babar :Fir esuru hogya Fire suru hogya.

Handler : Postion lo Postion lo.

Babar: Mujhe fire lag gya mujehe fire lag gya.Mere liye dua karo mere liye dua karo.

Handler : Khan laga khan lahga

Babar : Haath aur paun mein Haath aur paunmein

Handler : Umar khan hain

Babar : woh direct hit hua.Alah -tala use shadat dey.Commando ney sidhi goli mari .

Helo Helo Heloooo mujhe fire lag gaya hein

HANDLER SWITCHES OFF THE PHONE !
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Feb 23, 2009 12:00 AM
139
>> “Who plays whom or is there another unseen puppeteer?”

So many puppets in so many countries?
Puppeteers must be happy.
If it’s so, it is really up to the puppets how long they’ll remain as puppets.


And if the story is other way round Mr. Neelabh:

MERE PUPPETS CAN’T COMMIT SUICIDE.

You can fool some of the people all the time,
all the people some of the time,
but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
dip
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Feb 23, 2009 12:00 AM
138
The broad cast is contuing on AAJ TAK.

Now to Trident Oberoi and Taj
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Feb 23, 2009 12:00 AM
137
Handler: Dono Aurtey khan hein ?

Babar :Dono soh( sleep) rahien

Handler:EK ko uthaoh aur sier mein goli marao.Mein cheekh suna chata hoon

Phone disconects.

Phone rings again

Handler: Goli cahalo

Soun dof rocket fire.

Handler :auton ko mara ? Ek awaz koyon aiy ?

Babar : Meiney aur Umar ney dono koh ek rocket fire sey ekhtha maar diya hein .

Handler : Chalo khtam huin
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Feb 23, 2009 12:00 AM
136
Handler : Suno dono YEHUDI Aurton ko FARIG KARO [kill the two jew women) Kisi waquat commondo operation hoga aur yeh Aurtein bach jaien gi

Babar ;Umar ko maine sulaya hein toh adhe ganthe baad maeinge Aurton ko

Handler ; In AURTON ke seer key sath barrel laga kar fire karna .Dehkna goli rebound ho kay aap ko na lage .Aurton se jaan chuhra lo yaaar .Zinda nahin chorna

Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Feb 23, 2009 12:00 AM
135
aaj tak WILL IS BROADCASTING SEVEN HOURS RECORDING BETWEEN MUSLIM KILLERS AND PAK WAR ROOM HANDLERS.
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Feb 23, 2009 12:00 AM
134
Babar Terrorist Nariman House :Kaya coke piey ? Payas lagi hain.

Pak Handler :Piye piye Bismilah kyon nhain ?

Babar :Yehudi hostage aurton ko bandh kar rakha raat se ,kaya unhe kuch khane ko deyein ? Coke pliayen ?

Handler : Pliyen .Biscuit khilyen agar kafi hein.Apna energy level maintain rehein.

Babar :Army kahein hein whoh goli aur gernad eka Jwawb nhiebn detey.

Handler : Pichein wali khirki mein woh hein .Gli se unhe assault karne mein mushkil hoh rahien hein .TV par sab nazar aaa reha hein.

Babar;Umar ko neend aein rahin hein kaya slula doon ?

Handler;Sulaa doh par aap ankh kan khule rakhna.

Insa Allah koi harkat hooi to bateinge.


Switch on AAJ KAL TV and listen to the talk of the inhuman Muslim Terrorists

OH WHAT ANTULI SAID PLUS PLUS ? SUPPORTED BY OUR OWN MUSLIMS .
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Feb 23, 2009 12:00 AM
133
Bibi Arinaditi,Neelabh Mishra,VM,Antuli and host of doubters like Anwar Miayan who could not figure out who did 26/11 are cordially invited to listen to AAJ TAK TV news who is broadcasting minute by minute talk going on between Paki Muslim killers killing Jews in Nariman House and their Muslim masters guiding how to take position s,fire ,trigger khpl doh,maro salon Hindu Yehudi kafirs koh.Maro salon koh .

Please listen the broa dcast perhaps it will wash some anti Hindu slime covering your white cells. AMEEN !!!
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Feb 23, 2009 12:00 AM
132
from prepage : "At the LeT complex of Markaz Tayyabah, near Lahore, he is taught horse riding. In Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, in Muzaffarabad and Manshehra — where one of his co-trainees is a Maldives national called ‘Abu Zaid’, who Naser says was later killed in the Kashmir Valley — and in a “mountainous” training centre he learns about “guerrilla warfare, ambush, hideout, raid, camouflage, recce...” In Rawalpindi, he learns of the “use of satellite phones… [and] disadvantages of using mobile and land lines”. In PoK again, he mixes hydrogen peroxide with rice, dal, mehndi and tobacco, and produces explosives. When Naser was arrested, he was on his way to waylay a truck that he knew was carrying hydrogen peroxide — a chemical that has industrial uses but is also present in cosmetics. He was to carry a part of his loot to Goa and execute the bombings. The use of hydrogen peroxide, easily available and not as difficult to source as say RDX, was seen as a cheap, low-cost terror mechanism.

It is worth noting that the 2008 terror bombings in, for example, Delhi and Ahmedabad also used commonly accessible chemicals. Earlier, two suspected terrorists had been arrested in Goa — in an incident unrelated to Naser — while working in a beauty parlour, attempting to pilfer cosmetics and hydrogen peroxide.

On January 1, 2008, in preparation for the Goa mission, a contact called ‘Aslam’ had visited Naser in Hubli and gave him two fake student identity cards — of BVB College of Engineering, Hubli, and of St Aloysius College. Ironically, the terrorists who attacked the Taj Mahal and Oberoi Hotels in Mumbai also carried student identity cards related to Karnataka-based colleges. Is this suggestive of a local link, admittedly a low-level and possibly non-lethal one, or is this a mere coincidence?

Was the intensive, sometimes commando-style training Naser got indicative of his recruiters identifying him for a high-profile urban guerrilla-style attack and then deciding he wasn’t up to it and demoting him to the less sophisticated, hydrogen peroxide type bombings? Do the 26/11 attacks and the dozen-odd bombings that major Indian cities experienced in 2007-08 form a continuum? To the UPA government, have these become inconvenient truths?

(Ashok Malik is a Delhi-based writer)"


Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Feb 23, 2009 12:00 AM
131
QUESTION NUMBER EIGHT Mr.Neelabh should have asked but failed to ask :

Q No.8 : (a) What are gains for India by not allowing Partion to be taken to its logical end and stunted by Gandhi-Nehru ? (b) Could we have avoided the siruations as below ? ;-

" Our internal insecurity :Ashok Malik, Hindustan Times

On the morning of January 11, 2008, at Honnali on the Hosur-Hubli road in Karnataka, a policeman stopped two young men riding a motorcycle. One of them was not wearing a helmet. The usual questions followed, papers were demanded and it was found that the motorcyclists were carrying several number-plates, ostensibly assigned in several states.

The two men were arrested. One of them, Raziuddin Naser, originally from Hyderabad, turned out to be a key operative of the Students’ Islamic Movement of India (Simi) — later to metamorphose into the Indian Mujahideen (IM) — somebody the Andhra Pradesh and Gujarat Police had been seeking.

Naser and his accomplice were on their way to Goa, as he told interrogators, to “conduct serial blasts... to kill Israeli and American tourists”. If that mission had gone well, he was due to travel to Bangalore to attempt to bomb installations of IT companies. Naser’s statement before the Karnataka police makes for fascinating reading. In the context of the rather pointless debate about whether the ten Pakistani terrorists who attacked Mumbai on November 26, 2008, had “local support” or did not, it is worth revisiting what Naser told his questioners about the methods and motivational protocols of domestic jihadists.

Of course, no single interrogation or piece of evidence can reveal the entire truth. Yet, from what intelligence and anti-terrorist agencies have gathered over the past year — the Anti-Terrorist Squads (ATS) in Lucknow, Mumbai and Gandhinagar, in particular, are sitting on a mine of information, as are police officers in locations as far apart as Bhopal and Hyderabad — the different, disparate pieces of the jigsaw begin to fit. It becomes obvious that the interoperability of and relationship between groups such as the IM and external agents recruited in, say, Pakistani Punjab and trained in Lashkar-e-Tayyeba (LeT) camps, are neither absolute nor completely absent.

Naser is the son of a religio-political preacher called Mohammed Naseeruddin. Secretary of the Hyderabad-based Tehreek Tahfuzz Shaeer-e-Islam, the father was once arrested by the local police for terror-related activities. In October 2004, he was arrested by the Gujarat Police in the Old City of Hyderabad, in an operation that was hindered by massive crowds and led to firing in which a local youth was killed. By then, Naser and at least one of his brothers — now also in the custody of the Karnataka Police — were already converts. Naser explained that after 9/11, he had been much taken with the idea of joining the jihad against America in Afghanistan. In August 2005, he travelled to Saudi Arabia, a trip facilitated by a Hyderabadi friend whose brother, Abdul Samad, lived in Jeddah. Samad sent Naser for what eventually became an 18-month, multi-location training programme in Pakistan.

It is here that the story gets interesting. Naser describes different types of training in different cities. From Karachi, he is driven to Gwadar (Baluchistan), where he is introduced — along with others — to the use of assault rifles that include AK-47s, light-machine guns, “Bren machine guns.... Austrian Styre sniper rifles” and so on. " please see next
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Dec 29, 2008 12:00 AM
130
'No less than Maulana Syed Nizamuddin, All India Muslim Personal Law Board general secretary, has latched onto the ascription of the Mumbai attacks to Muslims as a conspiracy. Abdul Rahman Antulay of the Congress, in remarks disowned by the party, has come out with his own version of the conspiracy. So the arrest of the Pakistani operative of Lashkar-e-Taiba; the selective targeting of Americans, Britons, Hindus and Jews, the "Western powers" and Yehudi-Hindu "devils" that form the backbone of the Islamist terror universe; the evidence of traced satellite calls to Pakistan, is all rendered meaningless by this single red-band. The explicit instructions they carried to "kill indiscriminately, particularly white foreign tourists, and spare Muslims" that led them to spare the Turkish Muslim couple at the Taj and massacre the 13-year old American girl is of no consequence.

All this, say the conspiracy theorists, is simply a grand plot to "defame Muslims."

'Whether or not other Muslims agree with their actions, the first step is to admit the existence of Islam-inspired terror groups. Denial and apologia, both by Muslims and by others on their behalf, is much more damaging to Muslims. This is because, even when the thought censors of political correctness refuse to look at this inconvenient truth, it doesn’t go away—it simply becomes part of private conversation rather that open public discourse. And it is these private conversations, about anti-Muslim conspirators on the one hand and all-guilty Muslims on the other, which are far more dangerous to the future of a harmonious India. "


http://www.chowk.com/ar...gists-sankrant-sanu.htm


THE LINK IS FOR PERSONS LIKE NEELAB MISHRA WHO IN THEIR ZEAL TO HELP MUSLIMS END UP DOING MORE HARM TO THE MUSLIMS.

a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 15, 2008 12:00 AM
129
Bharathy:>>"I am sure you will agree that the term 'returning' to the original faith is preferable".

You are right. In fact, 'return of christ', [for which churchians are looking at the skies, increasing conversion by leaflet-distributions hoping to please him to return soon], only
means the return of jesus into hinduism as Skanda! In my perception, it has already happened over 20 yrs ago.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 13, 2008 12:00 AM
128
Rajesh:>>"Hindu extremism is reality, not fiction"

yes, built up by your churchian sonia's govt, as a strongly emerging reality, anticipating the mumbai attacks, for which hindus and bjp could have been fully blamed, if only the lone survivor terroist had also, either died or been cought by karkare under control of RRPatil.
Providence saved him and let him tell the truths about his karachian links to ordinary police, before the pre-programmed ATS, busy with Taj, could get to him. No wonder that both patils, both Shivraj and RR, were forced to resign, by an angry sonia!
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
127
AP:>>"Muslims are not following their own principles".

Thank the stars you are in Dallas. If your such criticisms on moslems were done in any islamic country, many fatwas for your execution would have been issued, by now!.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
126
AP:>>"what is the VHP doing when it goes on its reconversion drives"

Reconversions are 'corrective' reversions, rectifying conversions done thro mischievous techniques. As strongly justified, as the earlier incentivized conversions were unjustified.

jesus, allah, will approve only such conversions, where the prospective convert voluntarily knocks on the door of the church or mosque, on his/her own volition. The 'professionals' working for 'wages' for churchianity and jislam will soon lose their jobs, bec of their paymasters getting impoverished, through the frown of Christ = Allah [= Siva/vishNu, only].
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
125
AP:>>""bring tidings" of their faith to others".

Really, by torturing jews in mumbai, by distributing leaflets on krishna the rapist?
They are not distributing the sermon on the mount as krishTopanishad, nor the peace-preaching suras alone as 'suraan'. When that alone happens, jesus and allah will become the nineth and tenth ishta-devataas of hinduism itself, beyond the existing eight of shiv, vishNu, Sakti, ganpat, skanda, soorya and aanjaneya and iyyappan!. You dont carry coal to newcastle, nor does one need to take 'religion' to india, the karma-bhoomi of the dharma-sindhu.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
124
Pera:>>"It is an insult to the Indian State to give space to this type of journos who will tarnish the country".

Quite right.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
123
Seshadri,

>> you can be sure faruqi will vote only for the 'hindutva brigade' option being the cause for the mumbai attacks.

I was perhaps the first one in this forum to say that the Mumbai attack had all the hallmarks of Al Qaeda and LeT! How come you are wrong in almost everything that you say?

>> Only someone, whom all sense has left, will make the above statement.

That would apply to most of your statements, but it can be truthfully said about this forum that, "....anyone who talks sense is a left oriented psudo-secular".
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
122
R:>>"i would sincerely request all BJP fans not to think of India only for Hindus, it is GOD who gave us the freedom to be born in a particular country n he also gave us the freedom to choose a particular religion, not the BJP."

Sound advice you are giving to bjp in india, now. It would have been really wonderful, if you had been around half-century earlier, to give same advice to the moslem league in pak, and make them follow it also, as moslems.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
121
Gaurav:

you can be sure faruqi will vote only for the 'hindutva brigade' option being the cause for the mumbai attacks. given the fact that the diversities among hindus themselves in india and abroad are growing into monstrosities in conflict, many hindus in india would have also believed such conspiracy theories, if the lone terrorist captured had not revealed the karachi connection, confirmed by collateral evidence also. Perhaps, the disunited hinduism of today, where, in most of us, love of god has been replaced by only hatred for other hindus, for various reasons, does deserve to die off. May God's will prevail!
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 10, 2008 12:00 AM
120
" A normal religious critic of Islam can also take the stand such as that there are stages in the call for Jihad - the first stage being the one as seen in Muhammad’s initial Meccan life where there is no fighting/avenging etc; a next stage when muslims are strong enough to fight to actually do so in the cause of religion (defensive and then offensive wars) etc. Most respected of orthodox scholars agreed with the stages in Muhammads life and also the nature of Jihadi wars based on the strength of the muslims etc. The pattern can be readily seen from the Quran, Hadiths, earliest biographers/historians, the actions of Muhammad and the initial Caliphs who are the closest associates of Muhammad etc. "

Kumar

Your knowledge of Islamic Theology is very deep.Taught well by Jehadi or Fasadi Maulvies .

So under which stage the Mumbai attacks fall where hunderds of innocent childern,men and women were killed under insipiration from 'the stages in Muhammads life and also the nature of Jihadi wars based on the strength of the muslims etc. ??
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 10, 2008 12:00 AM
119
>>>>>> "The Quran says "There is no compulsion in religion". Muslims are not following their own principles."
>>>> That is the earlier Meccan peaceful verse.

>> And it is the more authoritative verse. Later verses on the subject were in the context of new perils and fierce battles. Jihadis and sanghis pick the verses that suit their purpose.

Not just "Jihadis and sanghis". A normal religious critic of Islam can also take the stand such as that there are stages in the call for Jihad - the first stage being the one as seen in Muhammad’s initial Meccan life where there is no fighting/avenging etc; a next stage when muslims are strong enough to fight to actually do so in the cause of religion (defensive and then offensive wars) etc. Most respected of orthodox scholars agreed with the stages in Muhammads life and also the nature of Jihadi wars based on the strength of the muslims etc. The pattern can be readily seen from the Quran, Hadiths, earliest biographers/historians, the actions of Muhammad and the initial Caliphs who are the closest associates of Muhammad etc.

Just like there are people who criticize Hinduism or Christianity and blame them for many atrocities, social evils etc, the same happens with Islam as well. Every religion has to deal with such criticisms (sometimes valid, sometimes not). It is not necessarily a hate propaganda and so on.
Kumar
Bangalore, India
Dec 10, 2008 12:00 AM
118
"Same with hemant, named aft sun-god "
Your knowledge of Mahabharat is appreciated, but the analogy to Hemant in Kalyug is a bit too much of a hand weaving. These officers will obey the state and what the state says. This man was an employee and the state apparatus dictates the methods to be employed. For example, in Kalyug all over the world , the state apparatus has played havoc, be it Hitler ordering the holocaust or Stalin sending persons to Gulag. It is good to know Mahabharat etc, but in the present context , it is for people to decide how the state apparatus operates and the best option is to debate this in the assmebly or Lok Sabha. One can understand , there are no good debaters like the days of the yore in parliament and assembly.Then wait for the elections as relying on media which has become the opiate of the people ( due to commercialization, they are all paid to write by vested interests) is unreliable.
gajanan
Sydney, Australia
Dec 10, 2008 12:00 AM
117
Learned/Thiagan,

>>>> "The Quran says "There is no compulsion in religion". Muslims are not following their own principles."
>> That is the earlier Meccan peaceful verse.

And it is the more authoritative verse. Later verses on the subject were in the context of new perils and fierce battles. Jihadis and sanghis pick the verses that suit their purpose. Ordinary Muslims know in their hearts what is true. You can be expected to choose what suits your hate agenda.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 09, 2008 12:00 AM
116
"Since Congress won 3-2 this time,is the unseen puppetteer Congress?

Just asking. "

GANESAN

And the FINAL EGHIT QUESTION : Who is this fool Neelah Mishra ??

Ramu the cook of Mehta house hold please ANSWERE .

a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 09, 2008 12:00 AM
115
"For instance, recent Delhi blasts overshadowed the violence against Christians by Hindutva extremists in Orissa, burning of karsevaks on a train in Godhra and Akshardham attack respectively helped Narendra Modi in elections. And Kargil had helped both the BJP and Musharraf in their bid for power in their respective countries. Who plays whom or is there another unseen puppeteer"

Outlook is also making the case that the terror attack did not benefit the BJP. So which is it?

Since Congress won 3-2 this time,is the unseen puppetteer Congress?

Just asking.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 08, 2008 12:00 AM
114
>> Only an asura-beeja could write such a hateful note on someone who gave his life for his country.

He died in office. As for giving his life for the country, I thought this article made some nice points


http://www.dailypioneer...-on-Mumbai-martyrs.html
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 08, 2008 12:00 AM
113
Seshadri,

>>>. "it must be investigated as actually who killed shaheed hemant"
>> Acts of God are beyond your investigation. Karna, despite being son of sun-god, ekder brother of the paandavas, got killed at the end of mahaabhaarata, because he joined the evil group of duryodhana. Same with hemant, named aft sun-god no doubt, but he served the evil sonia-raj patils to frame saadhvis, swamis and patriotic army officers....

Only an asura-beeja could write such a hateful note on someone who gave his life for his country.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 08, 2008 12:00 AM
112
Fine:>>"it must be investigated as actually who killed shaheed hemant"

Acts of God are beyond your investigation. Karna, despite being son of sun-god, ekder brother of the paandavas, got killed at the end of mahaabhaarata, because he joined the evil group of duryodhana. Same with hemant, named aft sun-god no doubt, but he served the evil sonia-raj patils to frame saadhvis, swamis and patriotic army officers on hindutva terrorism invented for what happened in the evil-village of male-gaon. He should have revolted and resigned. May his soul find peace in God. My blessings to his family.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
111
Mishra is not the only one asking these questions. There are reasons why these questions exist.
One, Hindu extremism is reality, not fiction. If you are in business of investigation then you have to take account of all possibilities and motives.
Next is incompetence of police. This is also well known fact that they can go to any length to hide their incompetence.

None of these line of thinking give clean cheat to Pakistan and jehadis.
Rajesh
Phoenix, United States
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
110
Vine Sivan & Mishra,

Instead of 7 questions here is a brief questionnaire for people like you:

- Q. One "little" question for conspiracy theorists:

Find out if you were really sired by your dad.

(never take your mom's version at face value. OK.)

Many at Outlook, in true journo' spirit, have carried out this sordid investigation - incl. the editor, Vinod Mehta - and have become demented at the unexpected, shocking results. )
sandy
Mumbai, India
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
109
And Muslims & Misra think that he attack on the twin towers in New York was carried out by Israel and Narendra Modi .They also think that the earth is flat ,Neil Armstrong didnot land on the moon and the sun revolves around the earth.Thanks Mr.Misra for your contribution to modern science ,politics and journalism.Only Vinod Mehta would employ you .
Haridas Rao
Lucknow, India
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
108
Bharathy, it's too bad that seven little questions - which nobody in the country has given any satisfactory answers to - make you so angry. Killing everyone who asks questions isn't an option yet, alas, though you *might* get away with it if you could suggest that they are terrorists of some sort (easily done). But then you'd also have to kill yourself if you have questions some day. Are you sure you won't hemorrhage before you can kill people? Why don't you do some yoga?
Vine Sivan
Kolkata, India
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
107
Bh:>>"Actually it is the incompetence of the some Marathi speaking police who mistakenly transliterated the name of this terrorist as 'Kasav' for 'Kasai' which means a butcher and he infact is one !!!!"

I did not know that. But, then, perhaps, olny bec our cops started calling him kasav, he started telling the truths, instead of swallowing some poison-pill to kill himself, as such people normally do. We should thank God for that.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
106
Varun:>>"So what on earth is all this grabage about the RSS, the Sadhvi and so on? Idiot!"

Do not idiotize him. If the 10th terrorist had also been killed, sonia-raj would haver quietly gone about saying the whole of mumbai-terrorism was executed only by hinduistic terrorists, from hindus in the armed forces. MMSingh and Antony would have said, henceforth, armed forces-recruitment will give preference to moslems, churchians, sikhs, in that order. Good bye to hindus. Ban them from votig also, so that Sonia dynasty could be permanently enthroned in Delhi.

Thank God that Kasav did not get killed, but he spilled the truths also. But then, Kesava is another name for naarayana! We should probably thank both Kesav and Kasav!
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
105
"I am a Muslim, Pakistani, Woman.
I come from the land of terrorists. I come from the land of Islamic militants."

"I am a Muslim, Pakistani, Woman.
I come from the land of terrorists. I come from the land of Islamic militants "


"I was brought up by my paternal grandmother who had emigrated from India during Partition. I have known the soil of India in my soul because of my love for the woman who carried it in her heart. She introduced me to the literature and the arts of the sub continent. She instilled traditions in me that she had inherited from her ancestors. She created her India in her new home. She brought her soil with her. I have wanted to visit Mumbai since I was a child. I have snuck off in the late hours of the night to my friends’ houses to watch soppy Indian movies. I attribute my love of film to a healthy dose of Bollywood. I have defended and promoted Indian films even when my Indian friends have not. My closet is full of beautiful gifts that my friends have brought from their visits to this fascinating country. "



"I have been in the US for the last two years on a Fulbright scholarship. I have found an intellectual belonging in this country that is non existent in Pakistan. It is a country that has given me great freedom of thought and close friendships with people from all over the world. I have discovered unknown facets of my personality in this diverse, rich culture. It is a society that has been founded on principles that I strongly identify with and innately respect.

YET I AM NOT A HINDU INDIAN "


http://www.chowk.com/ar...kistani-ayesha-khan.htm





a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
104
Quote. And finally, how is it that whenever the Hindu rightist extreme seems to be in dire straits as with the current Sadhvi-Purohit-Pandey terror investigations, some violent action undertaken supposedly on behalf of Muslims or Pakistan, as the case may be, comes to their aid and also vice versa? For instance, recent Delhi blasts overshadowed the violence against Christians by Hindutva extremists in Orissa, burning of karsevaks on a train in Godhra and Akshardham attack respectively helped Narendra Modi in elections. And Kargil had helped both the BJP and Musharraf in their bid for power in their respective countries. Who plays whom or is there another unseen puppeteer? End Quote.

I dislike modern secularism as a theory. And marxism even more. But there are certain things that marxism has caught correctly. One is the theory of surplus value, where the capitalist makes a profit by paying the worker only 20-50% of the revenue he earned by working 8 - 10 hours a day. (btw, I don't think its entirely unjust, because the capitalist has other liabilities).

The other phenomenon that Marx(Karl, not Groucho) himself discusses is the dialectical process. There is a thesis and an anti-thesis and they clash in the arena of ideas & emotions. Their war actually reinforces the strength of each other among their adherents! So war is good for both of them. Though Marx posits a resolution by means of a synthesis, the resolution does not always happen. In fact, things get worse, and communication breaks down. Thus the war goes on and on.

The unseen puppeteer is called The Devil in Abrahamic religions, and Maara in Buddhism. Similar thing happened in this forum itself. Emotions on the anti-secular side have overwhelmed this forum and communication has actually broken down. I've seen this in our parliamentary proceedings as well!
Narasimhan M.G
Bangalore, India
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
103
This man, Neelabh Mishra, appears to be a strongly catholic churchian, tuned to the bi-millennial 'conspiracies' of the cardinals of Rome. Hence, he sees a hinduistic conspiracy in every situation, besides attempting to create hindu-moslem hatreds in the process, for the churchians' conversion advantage.

If the hindus are really capable of conspiracies as you suspect, jislam and churchianity would have been driven out of india long ago. The only answer to all of your seven qusetions is that 'it is the will of God!', the only God behind all religions!.

In fact, this phenomenon should put the fear of God in the minds of the churchians and jislamists. It is really a warning to them that the Divine Mind is really getting annoyed with their basically anti-human and anti-divine activities of conversion and jihad, for the annihilation of hinduism, in India. Correct yourselves and stop the soul-grab and land-grab programmes, for your own future good and stability. Acts of God can eliminate whole civilizns, when badly deserved, as in the cases of Rome and Egypt.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
102
WHY DOES ANY ONE BOTHER READING THIS PSYCHO's BABBLE?

PLS DON'T DIGNIFY THIS RABID PURVEYOR OF TOTAL (CONGRESI)CRAP with any comment.

For a person pretending to be a journalist - and desperatley trying to become a SONIA STOOGE - this is the limit.

My sincere hope and prayer: next time the JEHADIs stike I hope this FECKLESS COWARD BRAHMIN IS THE FIRST CASUALTY.

GO TO HELL, MISHRA. You are BENEATH CONTEMPT.
sandy
Mumbai, India
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
101
One thing you have to credit anti-India forces with - they are far smarter than Indians are. Using every trick in the book, they are creating a smoke screen around their activities. Conspiracy theories around Modi and Hindutva's involvement in terror attacks killing Hindus for the sake of votes is one such trick. And there are takers and purveyors for such snake oil - Neelabh Mishra is one such.
raama
Mumbai, India
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
100
Learned,

>> You abuse does not stop.

You had made a rude comment on my post without followiing the thread and without knowing that my comment was a direct response to another poster. If you want to gratuitously offer ill-bred and ignorant interjections, you should expect to receive sharp rejoinders.


Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
99
Stopperbhai,

>> why the missionaries are afraid to convert even a single poor Muslim.

Muslims are wrong in criminalizing conversions. The Quran says "There is no compulsion in religion". Muslims are not following their own principles.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
98
Learned,

>> freedom is allowed to muslims only to the extent they allow for others.

You prove your stupidity again. If you had followed the thread and seen that my comment "So what is the VHP doing when it goes on its reconversion drives?" was in response to a specific statement by another poster, you would not have made an utter fool of yourself again.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
97
Learned,

>> Islam converts at the point of a sword and Christianity does it with money or women.

Probably has occurred, but how many cases of such conversions do you specifically know of? But to make that argument in response to a simple and well-known aphorism "Christians and Muslims follow the tenets of their religion when they bring "tidings" of their faith to others" is the height of stupidity on your part. It seems your ill-will knows no bounds.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
96
>> Freedom to convert is nil in Malaysia

No. It is illegal for Muslims to convert. Others can, and are often encouraged to convert to Islam.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
95
Varun,

>> Maybe it's time for Christians and Moslems to stop bringing their "tidings".

So what is the VHP doing when it goes on its reconversion drives? Free speech is legit. Freedom to not listen is also legit.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
94
Why does outlook allow people like Mr Mishra to write. He is alomost like a terrorist himself with the kind of things he is writing. Mr Vinod Mehta, freedom of expression is one thing and such blatant misuse of it is another. If it was another country Mr Mehta and Mr Mishra both would have been behind bars for sedition. But this is India anything goes and you can write anything and get away with bloody murder
vibhaas
Doha, qatar
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
93
YEH KAISA ISLAM HAI ?

"Shaikh’s wife Momina, 30, who hails from Uttar Pradesh and had come to the city eight months ago, cannot stop crying at her one-room house on Road No 6, Shivaji Nagar, Chembur. Holding her 18-month-old son Afzal, she says, “Mera toh saara ghar hi taabah hogaya hai. (My family has been destroyed) . She has two other sons — Arbaz, 6, studies at an Urdu medium school and Faizal, 3, who thinks father is out driving his taxi. "

====

"Taxi driver’s family awaits help after losing sole breadwinner

THE family of taxi driver Mohammed Umar Abdul Khalid Shaikh, 35, who ferried two terrorists killed at Nariman House on November 26 and later died in an explosion at Vile Parle, is in dire straits. Shaikh was the sole breadwinner of the family and they have to fight for even basic necessities. The Mumbai police gave a clean chit to Shaikh, who was initially suspected to be involved in the attacks that killed 172 and injured over 300 people.

Shaikh’s wife Momina, 30, who hails from Uttar Pradesh and had come to the city eight months ago, cannot stop crying at her one-room house on Road No 6, Shivaji Nagar, Chembur. Holding her 18-month-old son Afzal, she says, “Mera toh saara ghar hi taabah hogaya hai. (My family has been destroyed) . She has two other sons — Arbaz, 6, studies at an Urdu medium school and Faizal, 3, who thinks father is out driving his taxi.

Shaikh drove a taxi owned by Abdul Rahim Abubakar of Dongri. He left home at 7 pm every evening, drove the cab all night, and returned home at 10 am the next morning. His family would wait for him to come home so they could have a meal together. They subsisted on a monthly budget of Rs 5,000, of which Rs 1,500 was paid as rent and electricity tariff to their landlord, Zakir Ali, and the rest was spent on food, medicines and other basics. ""


http://www.indianexpres...ole-breadwinner/394354/





Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
92
"“Hamare ghar par kya beet rahi hai, yeh hamme hi pata hai, koi agar hamme madat karna chahta hai toh bas sirf hamare liye dua karein...” "

Heading towrds becoming another Pakistan ?

YEH KAISE ISLAM HAI WHICH KILLS JUST FOR KILLING SAKE ?
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
91
YEH KAISA ISLAM HEIN ?

"‘Mare bhi Mussalmaan, aur badnaam bhi ho raha hai Mussalmaan’

“Hamare ghar par kya beet rahi hai, yeh hamme hi pata hai, koi agar hamme madat karna chahta hai toh bas sirf hamare liye dua karein...” This is what Zamir Haji Dalal, 34, says when told that the Railways Ministry has announced a compensation for the victims of the Terror attack at the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (CST) railway station.

Zamir lost two of his family members, Ejaz Dalal, 39, and Abdul Aziz Rampure, 55, in the indiscriminate firing at CST. His mother, Dilshad Dalal, 68, and cousin Imran Merchant, 30, who were also injured, are admitted in the ICU at the Yashodhra Hospital in Sholapur. Zamir, who suffered minor injuries in his right hand, was discharged after first-aid.

On the day of the attack, Zamir and his relatives, who had arrived in Mumbai in the morning, had gone to see off his elder brother, Sameer Dalal, 36, and wife, Raisa, 33, at the airport. The couple were going for Haj.

“We left the airport at around 1 pm, after my brother and sister-in-law went. We boarded a local train from Andheri and reached CST at around 3 pm. Since our train was scheduled to leave at 10:30 pm, we had lunch and went shopping at Crawford Market and Manish Market. In between, we also offered prayers at the Haj House mosque. We returned to the station at around 9 pm,” recalled Zamir.


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“We were waiting inside the station when the firing suddenly began. We were taken by surprise. People started to dive to the ground. I rushed to the gents’ bathroom and ducked inside till the sound of the firing was over. When I came out, I saw my relatives lying in a pool of blood. My mother and Imran were crying for help and crawling on the floor towards the main exit of the station. I carried my mother to St George Hospital, where we found that she had suffered bullet injuries in the right thigh. My cousin, Imran, was hit by a bullet in the back. Luckily, both survived and are in the ICU at present,” he said.

“After this attack, I am scared to enter Mumbai. I don’t feel safe in Mumbai anymore. Politicians will resign and be ousted, but there is no one who will assure me of my safety in this city,” said Zamir, whose family runs a businessmaking steel tins in Sholapur.

“My brother Sameer called us after reaching Saudi Arabia. We assured him that things are under control now and told him to return soon after Haj, as my mother keeps remembering him,” he said, adding, “Mare bhi Mussalmaan aur badnaam bhi ho raha hai Mussalmaan.”


http://www.indianexpres...-hai-mussalmaan/394358/

Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
90
"INDIAN EXPRESS : "Hang the terrorist who has been arrested’"

The succus will be demanding a due process of law and court activities. And even if by fluke there is a conviction, the sentence will not be carried out.

Meanwhile the likes of Jha and Nayyar will lecture us on how carrying out the sentence will alienate the kashmiris and jeopardize the peace process.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
89
"Your ignorantly cursing them for doing what they are required to do shows your tendency to generate hate "

Here is another victim generating hate Sir ???:

"Speaking on the phone, Shahida said, “Yeh kaisa Islam hai jo maarne ko sikhata hai. Mastan ne kissie ka kya bigada thaa.” Demanding stern punishment for the terrorist held by the Mumbai Police, Shahida added: “Yeh jo aatankwadi pakda hai, usko toh Shivaji Park mein sab ke saamne phaansi lagana chahiye.”

THAT IS THE CORRECT SOLUTION .WILL YOU AGREE ?

INDIAN EXPRESS : "Hang the terrorist who has been arrested’

“Jise jo karna tha woh toh kar gaye, par humare ghar ka ek jalta hua chiraag bujha kar chale gaye,” said Mohammed Hanif, a BMC employee, remembering his brother in-law, Mastan Qureshi, who was killed in the terrorist attack at the Chhattrapati Shivaji Terminus station on November 26.

Qureshi, 40, a small-time guide who used to attend to tourists from the Gulf region, was hit by two bullets in his chest. He died on the spot. "'


http://www.indianexpres...s-been-arrested/394352/


Yeh kaisa Islam hein ??

Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
88
Maybe it's time for Christians and Moslems to stop bringing their "tidings", good or bad. Obviously many Hindus are annoyed or offended by this behaviour. For that matter, so are many Canadians/Americans et al, whose background may be Christian, but who dislike people pushing the bible or saying praise the lawd so openly and aggressively. I've seen many of these bible thumpers and bible pushers given the quick brush-off by lots of people. Indians should do the same with the Christian ( and Moslem) nincumpoops who push their crap on a gullible and too-tolerant population.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
87
Really imaginative mind. Similarly, Misraji may please also provide rationale for attacks in Jaipur, Bombay 2006, Bombay 1993, Delhi 2006.
rahul jain
SAS Nagar, India
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
86
"And finally, how is it that whenever the Hindu rightist extreme seems to be in dire straits as with the current Sadhvi-Purohit-Pandey terror investigations, some violent action undertaken supposedly on behalf of Muslims or Pakistan, as the case may be, comes to their aid and also vice versa "

COMES TO BJP'S AID ??? ARE YOU IN YOUR SENSES ?? Mishra babu rather BJP has suffered a big loss by killing of Karkare.The daily leaks by ATS and beatings of loud loud Bhangra Dance Drums by the Congress ,Lalus,Mulayams ,SITA RAMs in response to the leaks against Sadvi-Purohit were driving hordes and hordes of Hindu Voters in lap of BJP .

I wonder what made Mehta to hire you as an Editor on Board of the Out LOOK except that you are more pro Pakistan and more anti Hindus than Mr.Vinod Mehta ??

Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
85
Seshadri,

>> if churchianity requires you to convert pagans, if jislam reqs the moslems grab more and more land for more mini-paks under shariat-umma, the only God behind all religions will not approve of it. He will Himself destroy the professionally conversionist priests and the madarsa-running jislamist mullahs and terrorists.

Do you have a direct line to God? Christians and Muslims follow the tenets of their religion when they bring "tidings" of their faith to others. Coversion is up to the convertee, but sharing knowledge of one's faith is a basic requirement in both those faiths. Your ignorantly cursing them for doing what they are required to do shows your tendency to generate hate and antagonism against other communities every chance you get.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
84
Like this everything must have been done to raise speculations and help journos like you. Yes, a very intricate plan and conspiracy to destroy India and to create doubts.
pear
mumbai, India
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
83
Joseph, Bangalore and Bonita's
repeat of Tapori's excursions was doubly hilarious. Good one. Infact this posting may soon be a global one.
gajanan
Sydney, Australia
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
82
The hindu brigade would not have killed Hemant Karkare for obvious reasons. Whereas the jehadi would have killed him to raise speculations and conspiracy theories to help the likes of this journalist. It is an insult to the Indian State to give space to this type of journos who will tarnish the country.
pear
mumbai, India
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
81
To all who love Hindustan and to the intellects like Neelabh Mishra.
I'm a young doctor yet to reach my 30th birthday. I'm working as a medical officer in a hospital[govt] in a small town in Assam. Assam's been in the global list of demolishing activities of terrorists, bangladeshi immigrants and the jihadis for years, notwithstanding its natural beauty and peace loving folks. In my work place, I get a large number of patients everyday who are directly linked with bangladesh. I'm a docotor, I have to serve those who suffer irrespective of their religion, caste etc. I do it. I serve my patient to the fullest of my ability and knowledge. But along with being a doctor, I'm also a responsible citizen and I love my country as much as I love myself. Inspite of having all the evidences of new illegal immigrants coming to our country, I can do nothing. Every single day after coming from my duty, I cry out of frustration. The politicians can't see any bangladeshis in the state; the leftist intellects in our state are directly or indirectly in opposition of taking any step against those bangladeshis. The term 'minority' is eating up our state as well as our entire nation. Ruling authoritie's day by day increasing pampering to these so called minorities was the main driving force behind the black 30th october in assam. The authority still in favour of the main perpetrators inspite of an islamic outfit owning up the responsibility. Those innocent spirits who were killed in that bomb blast won't get the proper justice [even post mortem], that's for sure.
My dear HINDUSTANI friends, it's not merely my frustration, isn't it of all of us? Mr. Neelabh Mishra, do u feel the same agony as we people do for the entire nation being at stake? Our nation is almost sold out by the grace of the Nehru- G andhi family centred dirty politics; I request u, Mr MIshra, please don't add up to this selling out process. Plz try to feel my agony who have to treat and cure those who are obviously being a major threat to the nation. I can neither avoid my professional ethics nor I can be indifferent towards the duty of my nation.
There are crores of HINDUSTANIS who are suffering from exactly what I'm suffering. JAI HIND.

Dr[ms] krishanoo, Assam
krishanoo shrimayee
dergaon, India
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
80
Nilabh Mishra:
>>
Coming to Sajan Kapur,..vanished from the scene...Why this blackout?
A good question Mr. Mishra, but does that mean that the govt did it? Sounds similar to some amateur fellows made a video, trying to establish that the US govt actually did it. However, to hatch a conspiracy of this proportion one has to involve thousands people from different branches of the govt, and is frankly not feasible.
Why? A country where cricketing decisions are leaked to the media, would such a conspiracy involving so many people, stand its chance without being puked by some one or the other?

Ofcourse there are gaping holes in the security, abject callousness from the govt, the security forces etc. And there would be differences in version when different people, agencies narrates the events. And there would also be cover-up to hide some unpleasant truths. However, that it is a handiwork of the jihadi terrorists, there is no doubt. And closing your eyes to islamic extremism will not help in any way to oppose hindu extremism.
Indranil
Kolkata, India
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
79
I think the time has come for india also to allow free sale of guns, like the USA.

V.SESHADRI
CHENNAI INDIA
----------------------

Not a very good idea. We won't need any terrorists to kill our people. We'll be busy doing it ourselves.
Bonita
Chennai, India
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
78
Pakistan President Zardari called a dick to spy on his mistress Laila who once roamed the streets of Lahore.

He told the dick: “I love Laila but when I am away on tour I suspect a lover is coming to see her. I want full evidence that he is doing it. You understand? I want the report ready when I am back.

Zardari came back after a week later and called the dick. The dick said: Sir, as soon as you left a handsome guy as good-looking as your foreign minister Qureshi came and knocked on the door.

Then what? Zardari asked.

Then your mistress opened the door and as the guy entered she closed the door. However the windows were open and I could see clearly the guy picking up your sweetheart in his arms and taking her upstairs after a little small talk.

Then what? asked Zardari.

Again I could see them upstairs through a window and he was still holding her in his arms and swinging her back and forth and even as she kissed him on his cheek the guy threw Laila on the bed with a thud.

Then what? Zardari asked.

Then the guy came to the window and closed it and drew the curtains. I could not see anything as it was dark.

An angry Zardari exploded. “You idiot, always that doubt remains whether they did it or not. Always that doubt. I thought you will give me enough evidence to show that they had done it. Without any evidence now I will have to live with that doubt for ever.”


JOSEPH
BANGALORE INDIA
-----------------

Hilarious. Thank you.
Bonita
Chennai, India
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
77
I think the time has come for india also to allow free sale of guns, like the USA. Karate lessons for all kids, boys and girls and shooting training for adults, old ladies also. If what happened in the Mumbai Taj had been attempted in Waldorf Astoria in Washington, the first gunshot by the entering terrorists would have had all the hotel residents come out of their rooms, with their own licensed guns; they would have shot down all the entering terrorists within five minutes.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
76
In addition to what I hope(!) is a satirical posting by Gaurav, one should add any Indian gay and lesbian society members. While they probably don't have the know-how, they certainly have the motive. After all, same-sex marriages are still not fully lawful in India. To express their resentment and anger with this state of affairs, a few extremists among their numbers conducted the Mumbai massacre. Remember that their matrimonial unions are BANNED in India, for the most part. Islam is not banned. Surely, there is a motive for the massacre in Mumbai.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
75
"R" from DD, you post absolutely worthless junk, speculating about followers of the BJP. What does that have to do with anything. Right now the ONLY thing on any sensible Indian's mind should be the various options to punish Pakistan: whether economically including some kind of blockade, covert military action inside Pakistan against their army HQ and ISI, or direct military force. All yours and a few others' blatherings, including Rashmi's and Vine Siva's, are absolutely diversionary, obfuscatory, pusillanimous JUNK.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
74
R:>>"it is GOD who gave us the freedom to be born in a particular country n he also gave us the freedom to choose a particular religion, not the BJP".

BJP is NOT a religion. Your statement is quite valid. Being a hindu is just being human, even with or without belief in God. Being chr, moslem should also be, just being 'human', believing in God in the name of Christ, Allah, respectively. But, if churchianity requires you to convert pagans, if jislam reqs the moslems grab more and more land for more mini-paks under shariat-umma, the only God behind all religions will not approve of it. He will Himself destroy the professionally conversionist priests and the madarsa-running jislamist mullahs and terrorists. Evil, following the Devil, has the seeds of self-destruction built in. These might also destroy eachother mutually.

Ultimately, only caste-free sect-free hinduism, priest/nun-free devout christianity and jihaad-free mullah-free worship of Allah, in bisexual equality, will survive in the world getting ready for the next spiritually and electronically progressive dozen of millennia, the 'aanjaneya-kalpa', after the 'sweta-varaaha kalpa', which has already ended, with the world-war-II.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
73
the problem with the BJP is they have got supporters / wellwishers who only spew anger/hate at any opinion which doesnt put their beloved organization in a favourable light.
so thats why all the hate mail to this authour who clearly had stated just some ideas in his head.

the key pt of the authors article was at the end of the article which many have missed. who gains the most by having islamic militants in pakistan n the bjp in india in power so as to ensure that whenever 1 of them is in trouble , get the other to cause a distraction. i only know of 1 civilization who can plot such long strategies n 1 of the members of that civilization wrote the famous book Art of War.

i would sincerely request all BJP fans not to think of India only for Hindus, it is GOD who gave us the freedom to be born in a particular country n he also gave us the freedom to choose a particular religion, not the BJP.
r
d, d
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
72
How Cynical are you?
vidudala Prasad
Pearl River, NY, USA
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
71
You plebeians have been fooled yet again into believing that the Mumbai terror attacks were in any way conducted/sponsored/supported by any muslim and or pakistani.

However I (the the most intelligent and ever suspicous) have decided to call a spade a spade and take things up from where the brave and tremendously insightful Neelabh Misra has left. Gentlemen and ladies I present to you three hypothesis about the perpetrators of this attack, and an opportunity to make money (you have to read the rest of it for the money bit)

1. “Hindutva brigade” - obviously the malegaon investigation had lit fire under their bottoms, what better way to douse it? they had motive, and of course shiv sena knows bombay better than anyone else (best placed to execute such a brilliantly planned operation) - notice Raj's silence. They are i am sure now waiting to start the next riot against muslims in bombay and all over the country but the Congress and other secularists (including Neelabh and his friends) will not let that happen and i am sure it wont.

2. Barack Obama - He is a new kid on the block (one who has compromised his identity and committed apostasy deserving of capital punishment). Those are for a later day discussion. Think what better way to solve the economic problems - support a terror attack in india, stop outsourcing, get back jobs to US and lo behold the economic problems are solved. And a by product - he can pressurize India and Pakistan to solve the kashmir issue, thereby establishing his foreign policy credentials

3. Indian Security forces - This one requires a bit of imagination (the top two do not). Assume the hypothesis that the ISF are out to defame islam and get rid of all its adherents. Now lets fit the facts to prove this - It started long time back and Batala House encounter and the Mumbai carnage are just two recent examples. Notice how they have learnt from their mistakes at Batala house. This time more than one officer was killed (by his fellow officers), there was media all around to capture everything, they also killed some innocent people to make it look genuine. But somethings did give it away - 1. they took so long to get a handle on things (that was just a ploy, actually they were confident that everything was going according to the plan), 2. they took all of three days to get ten guys (their own).

I am expecting a response from Neelabh to put money on #1. All his questions will be answered if you that hypothesis were true.
gaurav gupta
Richmond, USA
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
70
And Rashmi, all you are doing is trying to find a way out of punishing Pakistan and the Lashkar-E-Toiba for this massacre. It's called weakness and obfuscation. Trying to sow confusion. India's commercial centre has just been attacked in what is certianly a Pakistani military operation, and all you do is denounce other Indians for their patriotism. Idiotic!
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
69
I think this article is brilliant. These are the questions plaguing anyone who sits down to think about it. Sadly though thought seems to have vanished amongst people who feel the need to vehemently prove their citizenship or patriotism.
Rashmi M
Bangalore, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
68
"Doctors benefit a lot if more people get sick. That does not mean everytime an epedimic happens, doctors caused it."

I like that one!
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
67
Kartikeya

>>>Either you're dishonest and have your own agenda to pursue and therefore choose to willfully ignore the truth.

>>Or you have your face stuck so far up your ass that you wouldn't recognize the truth if it stared you in the face."

Mr Mishra

Which of the two is it?

Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
66
Mr Mishra,

Why don't you have the courage to state explicitly what you're trying to insinuate? As long as you live in India or any other democracy you're free to say whatever you want. I don't see any use in trying to point out to you that it would have required almost perfect foresight on the part of the Hindutva terrorists and the BJP to start planning these attacks several months in advance (given the obvious preparation and coordination that was on display on international television) to prepare for the possible arrests and prosecution of their "agents" ( the Sadhvi, Major Purohit et al) so as to divert attention away from these.
I won’t even ask you if you honestly believe that these or for that matter any other indigenous groups have the necessary means to launch an attack of such magnitude. I will say this though. Either you're dishonest and have your own agenda to pursue and therefore choose to willfully ignore the truth. Or you have your face stuck so far up your ass that you wouldn't recognize the truth if it stared you in the face.

Regards,
Kartikeya
Kartikeya Singh
Greenbelt, USA
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
65
Aak Thoo
ankush poddar
Kolkata, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
64
Mishirjee

Pagal bhai gailan ki?

he writes to earn place in papers!!
a complete IDIOT !
vimal
Munich, Germany
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
63
Bomb blast happens every month and election is also going on in one or another part of India more or less every 4-5 months. So if you are conspiracy theorists you have ready made conspiracy there. For the rest of sane people it just doesn't gell. A mainstream party like BJP will be finsihed by congressis if they have even slightest of proof linking BJP to blast. Unless you are suggesting Congress while in opposition does exactly same thing and these both parties know each other's dirty secret hence do not pursue it.

IF all these things sound insane then accuse the moron Mishra I am just advancing his argument.
Rahul
Delhi, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
62
How can outlook publish such a stupid article in such a time. This is not news it is rumor mongering. To imply that an Indian organization sponsored this, without presenting any facts is both dangerous and unethical journalism. I hope outlook pulls up it's journalistic standards.
Bhaskar
Ann Arbor, USA
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
61
it must be investigated as actually who killed shaheed hemant and his brave team in the early hours of terror or why terrorist made him as his first significatnt target?

I have answer
(1) He was not the specific target going by the way he was trying to fit the excuse of a boyd armour I can say it has been a while he actually did the ground policing work that is taking gun and firing.

he though he was dealing wiht yet another RahuL raj from Bihar and jumped into fray without precaution and got gunned down while seated in his van whihc btw was not bullet proof wonder why.
I am told these guys got enough fund and they spent on lulxury cars instead of investing in policing infrastructure.

Braveery combined with rank stupidity took his life..
Rahul
Delhi, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
60
Thank you Neelabh Mishra! Excellent questions. I'm glad someone is asking them - too many feel the need to respond with vacuous sentiment instead. There's pages upon pages here of "centrist", "take no sides" drivel in this issue that assumes the nature of the event rather than asking the important questions you've asked.
Vine Sivan
Kolkata, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
59
I say media houses TRP touch roof everytime some calamity happens. Should we conclude all the electronic and print media house is behind it.


Rahul
Delhi, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
58
I just have a question about who benefits. Rajiv Gandhi came to power with a thumping majority only because of the gruesome death of Indira. So can we talk about who benefitted from the murder of Indira?

Or take the perennial case-the murder of Gandhi. The murder of Gandhi benefitted Nehru in so many ways. He became the indisputed leader of Congress. He was able to weaken the right quite significantly. He did benefit a great deal out of Gandhi's murder. Is it OK to carry the discussion along those lines?
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
57
"Doctors benefit a lot if more people get sick. That does not mean everytime an epedimic happens, doctors caused it."

Damn good analogy mate!!
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
56
"""And Kargil had helped both the BJP and Musharraf in their bid for power in their respective countries. who plays whom "

The argument about who benefits from certain events is being taken to ridiculous lengths. It is quite possible that some can exploit a situation to the fullest even though he had no role is precipitating the situation. Hitler and the great depression is a case in point. Hitler's political fortunes took a sharp turn for the better after the depression. That does not mean he caused it. Events of World War I helped Lenin a great deal. That does not mean Lenin caused World war I.

Doctors benefit a lot if more people get sick. That does not mean everytime an epedimic happens, doctors caused it.

Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
55
"The finger of doubt is definitely pointing to all but the rulers of India, and the so-called first family"- I am not implying that Mr.Neelabh Misra is on the pay-roll of the Congress party or a part of Mr.Rahul Gandhi's circle of friends! Neither am I implying that the prospects of his masters' losing the seat of power next year is scaring the hell out of him!
But I am just wondering as to the difference between the so-called mouthpiece 'magazines' of the Shiv-Sena variety and outlook!
Alok Anand
Bangalore, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
54
"I am not suggesting that the Hindutva extremists hired Pakistanis to do their hatchet job and in the process gave them the bonus of additional carnage to satisfy their murderous instincts but wondering about the circumstances of ATS leadership being led into a position of extreme vulnerability to terrorist fire.
"

Home Minister ShivR Patil Resigns
Maharashtra Home Minister RR Patil Resigns

Maha Chief Mnister Deshmuk Resigns

I am not suggesting that the politician Misra is looking for is from Congress, but we all know how a fromer CM of Maharashtra was made to resign
sreejith
bangalore, india
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
53
India Accuses ISI and Let of plotting the Bombay Attacks

Neelab Misra implies with out implying that a BJP politician has done this with help from Islamists across the Border

CounterCurrents And Leftists see a CIA-Mossad Link

Pakistani Media and Politicians blame it on any of the insurgent groups working in India

Why is nobody Accusing Raw/Hindu Terrorists?

We feel Raw/Hindu Terrorists cannot get a better conduct certificate.
sreejith
bangalore, india
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
52
This guy is a mental case and should get some psychological help. I think editors of Outlook also need psycho help.
Gopi Maliwal
Hong Kong, China
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
51
""And Kargil had helped both the BJP and Musharraf in their bid for power in their respective countries. who plays whom "

The trouble with Arundhati Roy gaining fame is that a lot of people want to emulate her. And this guy is one in the crowd who wants to be Arundhati Roy Jr. She said the parliament attack was an inside job.

And now Kargil war is an inside job as well. And so are the terror attacks. We can have a blanket statement to the effect "all the crimes that have been committed, is being committed and will be committed was, is and will be the handiwork of the BJP and its affiliates. Since all the cases have been solved herewith, we hereby dissolve the courts and all the investigative agencies".
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
50
"Narendran Modi is actually Maulana Masood Azhar in disguise.. :-)"

If that happens to be true, the succus will start supporting Modi.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
49
Biggest crap i have ever read. From where do you get such idiots like Neelabh Mishra.Mr Mishra should better consider writing fiction than bothering outlook readers with his wild imagination.
Rupesh
Pune, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
48
And the Nov 26 terror attack will benefit BJP in the state and Parliament elections.So it is BJP who is behind all this mayhem.Q.E.D.Come on Mishra give us a break!
K.C.Sharma
Delhi, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
47
Deah Mr Mishra,
This is unabashed cut paste job.
I have seen and heard all these questions and answers on Pakistani TV channels for last few days.

Try something origional Mr Mishra, as pakistani TV channel Geo says Bhasi kyon khata hai, thaza maal lo, try some thing fresh. Please stop relaying what they have already said
ashok
ashok sapru
Lagos, Nigeria
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
46
>>All I see is that you're throwing accusations against everyone who is not of the extreme right wing, and ignorant to boot.

Funny . This is from some one who calls any one with a different view points a hindu nazi !!

That shows your ignorance & is an accusation.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
45
This mentally deranged Neelabh Mishra is a chu%$#@ of the highest order. He has the audacity to suggest in this shit piece of writing that the Hindu parties had sponsored the Mumbai attacks.Infact, its not his fault.Outlook magazine hires such idiots who can link any terrorist activity in the world to the rightwing parties of India. Ask Neelabh Mishra in person, and am sure he will say that 9/11 attacks in New York City were carried out by a Hindu right supported by a Jewish right. Just wondering why dont terrorists find a target in Mishra and take the purdah off his eyes!
krossfokus
Bangalore, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
44
I'll tell you one more thing.

Narendran Modi is actually Maulana Masood Azhar in disguise.. :-)

Selvan
Boston, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
43
And Sitaram Yechuri and his party are the model practitioners of the fine art of secularism as demonstrated by their attitude to Taslima Nasrin.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
42
"“The BJP suits us. Within a year they have made us into a nuclear and missile power. Lashkar-e-Tayyeba is getting a good response because of the BJP’s statements. It is much better than before. We pray to God that they come to power again. Then we will emerge even stronger.” (Hindustan Times, July 19, 1999). India cannot afford to be thus sandwiched." (Sitaram Yechuri)."

Thanks Maulvi Anwar giving us the final confirmation that LET and BJP has joined hands now.Proof ?

Sita Ram Yetuchiri said in 1999 .
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
41
Why dont you watch this mishraji, and let us know what you think about it?


http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=FHQ0WXzY9sc
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
40
Some questions for Mr Mishra.

1. Who are you?

2. Are you a paid employee of Outlook?

3. Are you a member of any political orgnisation or NGO? If yes, which one?

4. Are the views expressed in this article those of Outlook or are they your personal opinion?

5. Media reports indicate that the fishing vessel was hijacked at sea. What is your source of information that the terrorists embarked at Porbandar?

6. Did the DG, NSG lead the charge at Taj/Oberoi/Trident? What was Karkare doing in the front line? It is a Commanders role to direct operations and not get himself killed leading a charge.

7 What evidence do you have for insinuating that the BJP and Musharraf colluded for their mutual benefit in staging the Kargil war?

If you are unable or unwilling to answer these questions, perhaps the Mr Vinod Mehta may care to do so. Perhaps Mr Mehta may also like to comment on whether he agrees with the views expressed in this article or not.
Bonita
Chennai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
39
Dear Mishra, I am sure that you have never ever heard about the fog of war. During war OR warlike situations when there is a real danger to one's own life, people do exaggerate. Add to this the 24 hour news channels unscrupulous efforts to be one up on each other- and that will explain all the mis- reporting by TV Channels.
The fishing boats may have been actually sub- let and may have been commandeered by the terrorist in high sea. Aren't we all aware that the autos that run in our metros are not owned by the divers. So if one of it was forcefully used by terrorist how can you blame the owner or MODI
There is a real possibility that the terrorist may have used the DRUG smuggling route. Now smuggling, corruption, etc have all India stature independent of religion, caste, and language and is prevalent in MODI's Gujrath, Vilasrao's Maharashtra and Achutanandan's Kerala.
The ATC officers were all shot in a single Police QUALIS along with three police constables and one did escape death who stated that the officers were en route to hospital to look up an Inspector injured at VT Station, evidently unaware of the seriousness of the situation. You or I would have been dead had we been at that place in a car as the terrorist just wanted a transport.
I HOPE THE MUMBAI ATTACK DOESN'T DETERIORATE TO THE "BATALA HOUSE" STAGE AND BE BRANDED A FAKE ENCOUNTER BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU!!!!!
A Nair
Bangalore, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
38
Elementary, Mr. Mishrason!
First, the Islamic jihadis in consultation with the Christian terrorists in India masquerading as peace loving Nagas, Bodos, Naxalites and Maoist select the exact spot where maximum mayhem could be made to visit.
Then convey to the congress party to inform Sonia Gandhi to instruct all the Christian nuns in India to be ready for rape and also to depute one or two of her select factotums like Digvijay Singh or Manish Tiwari to witness that absorbing act. They in turn call the secular press to tell the world about the heinous crimes the once tolerant ‘Hindus are not ashamed to perform in public.

Enter the Pope from one side and American lawmakers, both congressmen and senators, from the other slamming the government of India for failing to protect the chastity of future brides of Christ in India. And the government of India have no alternative but to issue a gazette notification that barring Christians, communists and congressmen and women all Indians especially those who refuse to be ashamed of their Hinduism are terrorists to prove its secular credentials and to facilitate the flow of nuclear energy and Catholic saints into India unhindered.
For days together there will be nothing in the secular press except stories about how semen flowed in torrents in the village bylines.

By the time we come to know that we were led up the garden path we hear that Muslim terrorists have killed innocents in hundreds. The final act of this denouement is when the Mishras planted in the media crawl out of the woodworks and pretend surprised not at the obvious link between the cacophony about Christian persecution preceding all terror bombing in India but the Hindu being in dire straits.
c p narendran
nagpur, india
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
37
One more question
India TV spoke on a phone to Imran Babar, who supposedly was inside the Narimna House. The interview lasted quite a long period. Why no other media has picked it up ? why police are not saying anything? How come that Imran got the number of India TV or conversely, India TV got Imran's number?
rajendra
mumbai, india
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
36
The term INDIA took its origin from the word SINDHU[sindhu- indus valley civilization; indus- india]. This is the very term where the term HINDU originated from. Pity on the poverty of some peoples' knowlegde! Hey folks, get ready to make a list where the term HINDU or HINDUSTAN was used; we have to replace HINDUSTAN by the british given word INDIA! Lets' start from the lyrics of 'sare jahhan se accha/ HIDUSTA hamara' song... Ready for this reformation u HINDUSTANI [ooops; extremely SORRY, the INDIAN ]
FOLKS???????????
Ms krishanoo, Assam.
krishanoo shrimayee
dergaon, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
35
The writer should get in touch with President Bush and inform him about this possibility. Or the innocent, peace loving Pakistan may have to suffer due to the President's misunderstanding of the situation. He can also inform the President the locations to be bombed in India to weed out Hindu terrorism from our secular country.
Nandan
Kochi, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
34
Hey guys, Mishra has questions however foolish and he must ask them.
But should he not be editorially vetted by the magazine..and should he not be made to answer some questions in the next issue...editorial acountability I mean.
Mr Mehta it is allright to say the unsayble but kindly back it up with as hard evidence as you can get. Your magazine has an odd way of running guerrila campaigns against some political configurations...which is again fine since that is part of your ultra liberal spirit...but this nudge nudge wink wink policy adopted on all political matters does not behove you...you as an editor have the opportunity to raise hte level of debate ...instead your magazine debases it...too too sad sad.
I think you should get really serious and bring out the truth whoever it hurts, but only the truth..why you should do it?
So that your masochistic readers can confer on you a special award....Mr Not Purple Press Editor!
Bindu Tandon
Mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
33
Why was he in the firing line at all? The commander of any sensible military operation (especially in centralised systems like India's where individual initiative is discouraged) should be co-ordinating instead of being in the frontline.

i do not believe Karkare was deliberately targetted. He and the others were shot because they were convenient targets, no more. How could the terrorists have even recognised them in the heat of battle?
Biswapriya Purkayastha
Shillong, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
32
it must be investigated as actually who killed shaheed hemant and his brave team in the early hours of terror or why terrorist made him as his first significatnt target?
fine
delhi, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
31
"And Kargil had helped both the BJP and Musharraf in their bid for power in their respective countries. who plays whom "

Mishra you wanted to say that BJP and Lashkare joined the hands so that Advani should be PM ?

" or is there another unseen puppeteer? "

Could be Sonia who is fed up with her useless cronies or Arjun Singh who is smarting for denial of P M's post ? Or may be ?? or ??? Or Vinod Mehta nope nope wait I have unearthed the puppeteer ??

Hoorey ! Neelabh I have got it . Surely the puppeteer is RAMU COOK WORKING in Vinod Mehata's household.

A great scoop for you.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
30
Defending YOURSELVES? All I see is that you're throwing accusations against everyone who is not of the extreme right wing, and ignorant to boot.
Biswapriya Purkayastha
Shillong, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
29
No, it was not, Hindustan was specifically rejected in favour of retaining India. Learn your history.
Biswapriya Purkayastha
Shillong, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
28
Purkayastha, be clear in what u want to say. Give ur own viewpoints instead of throwing mud to us who are couragiously defending ourselves instead of being sold out! No more reply I'll post to ur one sided 'universal' comments.
krishanoo shrimayee
dergaon, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
27
I insist in saying HINDUSTAN. When the partition took place, it was termed as HINDUSTAN. What's ur problem wth this term?
krishanoo shrimayee
dergaon, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
26
Rangarajan - did someone stick a gun to your head and order you to read this magazine?

If not, why are you even on this website?
Biswapriya Purkayastha
Shillong, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
25
Who pushed out the Khmer Rouge from Cambodia? Communist Vietnam, right, Shekhar? And WHO protected the right of the Khmer Rouge to occupy Cambodia's UN seat, and allowed it to operate camps from the territory of its vassal Thailand? The US, right, Shekhar? on the territory of whose vassal, Canada, you now reside?
Biswapriya Purkayastha
Shillong, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
24
"The boat’s hijacking at Porbandar in Gujarat testifies to a local support structure for the terrorists. Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi does not tire of continuously claiming to have generally rolled up terrorist networks in his state. "

Neelabh please brush up your facts.Boat was either hijacked in high sras or Amar singh was on pay role of ISI.

Modi did warn mahrashtra Govt of impending attack via Sea route.

2 You have questione dthe ownership of the Boat.owner are already arrested who say Amar Sigh hired it.

3. "I am not suggesting that the Hindutva extremists hired Pakistanis to do their hatchet job and in the process gave --"

Perhaps you wanted to suggest that Hindus did the job.

Mishra
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
23
Time to start boycotting this anti-national magazine 'outlook'. The country is bleeding because of minority appeasement and this unique psecular eunuch like approach. This kind of dhimmi approach- saying the victim is always guilty is a psychotic disorder. To allow such people a forum to abuse the majority hindus' goodwill at such a time is an obscene insult. Boycott outlook. Stop reading it even online. Stop responding to such crap. Goodbye and do not fare well, outlook!
radesh rangarajan
chennai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
22
Hey Purkayastha, how would China- the supporter of the Cambodian genocide- handle a Mumbai style attack? Let me anticipate your response: with sweet, universalist, gentle, transcendent, loving, left, secular socialist love and understanding. Buffoon.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
21
He doesn't live in Hindustan, Gentle and Pious Lady. He lives in INDIA. Hindustan would be as bad as Saudi Arabia for anyone with dissenting viewpoints. You can see it from the Hindunazi, sorry, national-patriotic comments here.
Biswapriya Purkayastha
Shillong, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
20
Misra,

You are a sick fool! There is a dire need for you to go under treatment in a fitting mental correction facility.
The purulent journos like you are the real problem. You have no talent, whatsoever, only thing you can do is speak and write in "English".
Saurabh Sharma
Raleigh, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
19
Mr Mishra, be thankful to your luck that you were born in Hindustan, not in Bangladesh or Pakistan or some other islaamic country; because it's only the hindus who have this much of tolerability. you'd have been chased away from the country, if you were a Bangladeshi citizen or Pakistani one. In my profession I come across many self proclaimed expert doctors who keep on insisting to diagnose a very clear to everyone type of disease say a common cold as an HIV case. U are of that class. What exactly do u want to say? Better go for a religious convertism and then say whatever you want to. Look Mr. Mishra, don't compare hindutwa with any other religion of the world because hiduism not merely a religion but it's a culture, a civilization. Hindus have never been out for any religious fights with other religions till date; what it was in Malegaon was just a fifgt for our own existence, an attempt to reply back to other religion's intolerence; u may say it was a part of the natural law of evolutuon.
Mr Mishra, 95% Indians today know the actual facts behind all the blasts taking place. It's only you people who keep on denying the facts very cleverly just to show that you are different [or there may be some other reasons also].
Before I conclude, I want to add that India's apolitical commoners i.e. the RAMS and RAHIMS have always been secular by their heart. There'd not have been any communal dangas in India if there weren't the rotten congress politics and rotten brained intellects
like you in India.
Dr [Ms] Krishanoo Shrimayee, Assam
krishanoo shrimayee
dergaon, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
18
People like Neelabh and Sengupta don’t get scared of terrorists bombing us but shit in their pants at the prospects of BJP coming to power.

It’s these guys who forever are in denial and try to keep everyone else in a denial.

Bloody hypocrites, liars and sick people!!
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
17
Well the propaganda has already started. We donot need Pakistan to inform this. Here is what is going to happen.
1. Outlookindia will carry a boring 10 page article by Arundhati Roy with conspiracy theory about attack and how it is carried by Hindu terriorists.
2. Countercurrents and twocircles.net meantime will receive and publish the articles from Bidwai or Ram Puniyani seconding that opinion.
3. Pakistani media and websites ( including our Anwar Miyan) will carry these articles to show to the world that they are not involved.

Maha
NJ, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
16
I have a question also;
What exactly the writer suggesting?
Bunty
Hsinchu, Taiwan
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
15
"How were the terrorists able to move so quickly inside the hotel when the NSG commandos struggled"

Because the NSG commandos had no map. The terrorists had.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
14
I have an eighth question. How were the terrorists able to move so quickly inside the hotel when the NSG commandos struggled. Can the lone surviving terrorist answer this?
Sitarama Swamy
Berhampur, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
13
Is it possible to find out the real culprits behind Mumbai blast by conducting investigation jointly with Pakistan?
Or is it possible to achieve any ever lasting result through military action against Pakistan?
We can expect definitely some better results from disciplined armed forces but we canot expect any fruitful result from civil authorities.
Indian and Pakistanis are posed in different and opposite direction. Two extremes can hardly come together. India is meant for peace and friendship whereas Pakistan is meant for creating terror and as long as it is in existence. Pakistan will create trouble either directly or through Bangladesh or Taliban or from the earth of some other friendly country.
Moreover Government in Pakistan is also puppet in the hands of ISI. When Mr. Zardari agreed to demand of Indian PM for ISI chief, Mr. Zardari first agreed and then under pressure from ISI he had to take back his promise.
As such it will be foolish to opt for joint exercise to investigate the real cause and ream men behind attack on Mumbai.
India will commit greatest blunder if at all they agree to US advice or Pakistan’s demand for joint investigation or any type of dialogue.

It is better to find out the fallacies of our internal system, seal our borders. learn lessons from past incidents, act on various reports submitted by investigating agencies and various committees, act swiftly on intelligence reports, stop giving step by information to media before doing any thing upto achieving the result, stop making false promises just to throw dust in the eyes of voters and so on .
We have seen in the past how even after intelligence reports submitted long before the actual Mumbai attack and even after warning given by US agencies twice much before the incident , our government failed to nip in the bud or at least make enough arrangement to minimize the damage.
Even US has also confirmed that they had warned, not once but twice to Indian counter part that there was every possibility of terror attack through sea route. Out government ignored all warnings and took the lives of many innocents. Frequent attacks occurred in the last four years proves the inefficiency and negligence of the government and hence until government is internally strong, one cannot hope any positive result through dialogue with any country.
Keeping in view the track record of last four years, present government has no moral right to continue in office.Mere removal of a few ministers of change of guard is not going to serve any purpose other than befooling voters, calm down the anger of people of India after Mumbai recent blast. Voters should also keep such negligence in mind while going for casting their precious votes in near future. History will not forgive such blunders of our leaders and in my opinion such negligent leaders should be punished before we ponder over any military action against Pakistan or before even initiating any futile dialogue with Pakistan or US.

We cannot solve any matter with the help of Pakistan or ISI chief until we make our own system active effective, innovative, creative, decisive. Honest, and at least loyal to our country.

Lest people of India, government and media should forget everything in usual style all promises made after recent Mumbai blast i.e. during last seven days We have forgotten Raj Thakre who created havoc on the issue of North Indians.. He will resurface after a few days when Mumbaikar and Indian will forget the Mumbai blast. Just wait for the day when election result is announced for five states.
Entire scene will change,
Agenda of media will change Raj Thakre will again pose some new drama in his own style. Have patience.
People will get a new flute to play with just from the day election results start pouring in and preparation of new election for the Parliament comes into action.

Danendra Jain
4th December 2008
danendra jain
agartala, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
12
Looks like this guy will sing "Mehbooba Mehbooba" for his AtankMehman with Arundhati Roy doing the jig. The leftists as an audience will do the "Wah Wah" .
gajanan
Sydney, Australia
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
11
Mr Mishra

Have you considered the idea that Narendra Modi should be tried for organizing this outrage? If you speak to Arundhati Roy, she will get you the definitive proof.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
10
Doesn't this Misra goof know by now, that it is virtually certain that the terrorists came from Karachi, Pakistan, on a Pakistani boat, hijacked an Indian fishing boat, murdered the 4 fisherman on board, kept alive one to pilot them to Mumbai's shores( then killed him as well), spoke Punjabi and Urdu, and included at least 2 British Pakistanis among their squad of killers or handlers? So what on earth is all this grabage about the RSS, the Sadhvi and so on? Idiot!
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
9
Apologies for the mistake in the earlier post. It should read as follows:

Mr Mishra

Have you had the opportunity to present your amazing ideas to Sonia Mata yet? Your ideas are so thought provoking and original, she may award you SONIA RATNA.

The other option would be to take this up with that intellectual giant - Arundhati Roy.

Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
8
Mr Mishra

Have you had the opportunity to present your amazing ideas to Sonia Mata yet? Your ideas are so thought provoking and original, she may award you with SONIA RATNA.

The other option would be to take this up that intellectual giant Arundhati Roy.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
7
who is this guy now?? is he a paki?? this is because of guys like these that the pakis attack us again and again
krish
coimbatore, india
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
6
" am not suggesting that the Hindutva extremists hired Pakistanis to do their hatchet job and in the process gave them the bonus of additional carnage to satisfy their murderous instincts "

That would be Arundhati Roy suggesting those kinds of things. Once she crosses the line, people like this writer will follow suit.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
5
And finally, how is it that whenever the Hindu rightist extreme seems to be in dire straits as with the current Sadhvi-Purohit-Pandey terror investigations, some violent action undertaken supposedly on behalf of Muslims or Pakistan, as the case may be, comes to their aid and also vice versa?

Mr. moron when you have a country where bomb blast happens every month tthere connecting the timing of blast to any event wud be stupidity of highest order..

Similar morns also connect these things to election hardly knowing the fact in our country election gos onuniterupted in one state or another..
NO Sadhvi was nto in trouble after the drama of Samjhauata express blast fake story it was ATS who was in tyrouble.. Did you hear anythign beyond Sadhvi once powned that bike... which moron uses his her own bike for terror.. that story was legless to start with.. People like you who are silent now used hindu-terro like phrase profusely and that was the purpose of that story.> Why don't you call this terro muslim-terro now.. bloody idiots
Rahul
Delhi, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
4
That's why I said thsi ATS was hotch-potch group running around at behst fo their political masters.> they were too busy with cooking up sadhvi case and they thought they were dealing wiht some youth from bihar with a revolver.. The footage where ATS chief is beinig shwon trying different body armour tells how reckless these guys are where most threatened police officer doesn;t even have custom made body armour...... Does that guy look someone who cud do the ground work of policing.. Chiefs sud not have acted with bravado hsi job was to manage not jump into it without proper body armour..he paid for thsi stupidity with his llife
Rahul
Delhi, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
3
The boat’s hijacking at Porbandar in Gujarat testifies to a local support structure for the terrorists. Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi does not tire of continuously claiming to have generally rolled up terrorist networks in his state. He has also been very vehement in blaming the center and the Maharashtra government for the attackers being able to reach Mumbai unhindered. He also claims to have warned the Maharashtra government about the possibility of an attack on Mumbai launched from the sea. How come the terrorists found themselves bold enough to launch the attack from the coast of Gujarat, a state he rules with an iron hand?


Mr. moron NAMO can do only that much in face of complete lack of cooperation by centre which is by withholding GUJCOCA while allowing MCOCA..

HE doesn't have magic band... so stop your BS
Rahul
Delhi, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
2
Mr. Mishra, don't be an idiot. You suggest that everytime a terrorist act happens, it distracts us away from some problems faced by the right wing parties. Is that true? No. The bomb blasts have been going on regularly for a very long time as far as we can remember. On the other hand, there have been only two major issues related to the right wing, the Orissa and the Sadhvi issues. Given the frequency of the terrorist attacks, your flimsy mindless logic can be easily applied to anything, say problems faced by the congress etc. It is people like you who are destroying the country. Instead of supporting the strengthening of institutions in India, you are confused between what is improtant and what is not. Your selfish politics is not required. Please stop embarrassing yourself and spare us your coffee-table analysis.
Siddharth
Houston, USA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
1
Mr Mishra

Everyone agrees with you this was clearly the handiwork of those horrible RSS chaps. Thanks for coming up with this angle.

I do admire your amazing insight into such matters. You are an intellectual giant.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
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