Opinion
What Are India's Options?
"Bomb Islamabad!" That's what a representative of the Samajwadi Party suggested at one of the UPA meetings. But are there serious options that one could look at as a credible response to these terror attacks?
Writing in a post for his blog on The New Yorker, Steve Coll, an old and much respected hand on security affairs in South Asia had something interesting to say about the terrorist attack in Mumbai and the likely reaction from Pakistan. His argument is that the options for India are limited. Simply because the Pakistanis know that they are blessed when it comes to its relevance in geo-politics:

"The Pakistan Army understands this international equation thoroughly and exploits the gaps—it is careful not to expose its direct fingerprints, and yet it is brazenly persistent in pursuit of its objective of military pressure against India in Kashmir and political-military pressure on India more broadly." 

So what are the options that India can exercise in the aftermath of the Mumbai terror attack?

If the politicians are to be believed, there was a lot of sabre rattling at two meetings held by the government on Sunday, November 30 night. While the all-party meet called by the government was a more sedate affair, an earlier meeting organised exclusively for the UPA and its allies, held in Parliament was more telling. A representative of the Samajwadi Party is said to have suggested that this was a good time to "bomb Islamabad!"

Fine. Let's bomb Islamabad, assuming we have the capability to do so and that the frontline aircraft of the Indian Air force are all serviceable, the MiG-21s ready to escort the bombers, and we can launch a full-scale military attack by penetrating the secure skies over Islamabad and then bomb it back to the stone age. 

But are we really ready for a war? 

Are we ready for the fallout when two nuclear nations go to war? Are we ready for destroying everything that we have built in the last decade and a half? Are we prepared for rolling back our consistent 9 percent growth story and undertake hardships that several generations of Indians have never seen?

All this must be weighed before we take on the job of rattling our sabres. We did that once, post December 13, 2001 attack on Parliament. What did we really achieve from that 11-month old stand off with the Pakistanis? We stood on the border and they stood on the border, eyeball to eyeball, and we finally sent the forces back to the bunkers after that. But not before we had spent something to the tune of Rs 6000 crores (the official figures put it at a much lower figure pegging it a few hundred crores) and lost many precious lives of our soldiers, who stepped on mines not mapped, or tried to clear mines with bare hands while our bureaucrats held back critical mine clearing equipment.

Our air force, sanctioned 39.5 combat squadrons, is down to 30 off squadrons, our armoured corps doesn't have the tanks to roll in, our infantry is horribly tied up in counter-insurgency operations, our soldiers and officers are poorly paid and cheated in pay commission after pay commission, while we talk about "bombing Islamabad."

But there are options that one could look at as a credible response to these terror attacks. 

More than us, more than the Americans or the British, it is the average Pakistani who knows that they are living in a failed state. They know that their economy is in shambles, their young men are becoming ready fodder for the terror factory and governance is being remote controlled by a military-industrial complex that is also making billions as we speak.

The international outrage that has emerged after the terrorist attack is an opportunity that rarely presents itself in a nation's history. This is the time to forge partnerships with all those willing to work with us. Intelligence cooperation has already been ramped up (the first warning for the current attack came from the Americans) and there are other diplomatic measures that are already underway. But, this is also the time to build partnerships with those elements in Pakistan who recognise the fact that the idea of Pakistan is in greater danger than from these terrorists than its declared enemies.

This is the time to look for partnerships in intelligence gathering -- not just the non-functional anti terror mechanism that was set up earlier, but a mechanism that produces hard, actionable intelligence that can be put to good use. This is the time to look at joint covert operations against terrorists and their infrastructure simply because this is a job that the Pakistanis cannot do on their own. The Americans, the British and the NATO forces are already in the region and this is as good a time as any to build partnerships with them.

Perhaps a partnerships sounds too utopian and unrealistic, a diplomatic impossibility in times of rhetoric. But look at the facts. There is no terror attack that can bend a nation as resilient as India. It has an innate strength that will ensure that the good news story, that India was, will continue to hold true.

A lot will have to be done to weed out the systemic failures in our security apparatus. It is not about "intelligence failure" and as this case has shown, our intelligence actually produced good stuff. By calling it "intelligence failure" we are trivialising the discussion to a level that is insulting to our counter-terror mechanism as well as security apparatus. Instead, we have to realise that systemic faults have to be addressed systematically. The overhaul, if the political leadership is willing, will have to happen over months, and perhaps years. But if politics goes back to the usual set of empty promises, the usual rhetoric and the usual coteries, that will be an attack on the very idea of India itself. And the time to act, is now.

 
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Neither capitalism nor socialism or communisms are dead or bad for the society. Those person are as good as dead who enforce the system of capitalism or socialism not for overall growth of the society but only for serving the short term interest of a very short group of elite person, own political party and own kith and kin.

Before 1970 banks were in private sector and lost its image because employees were tortured, less paid and overloaded with work, poor villagers could not reach the bank and capitalists used to exploit banks for their vested interest.

Banks were nationalized. Employees started working without the fear of service. No excessive work, workers were paid for overtime, poor villagers found a bank in their own village; still banks failed because of wrong policies of the government. Mr. Pujari, the then minister in Finance Department, the Messiah of Loan Mela distributed banks fund like charity for vote bank. .Mr. V. P Singh waived the loan for creation and strengthening of his own vote bank. Health of the bank ultimately went so bad that government decided to give freedom to bank so that the responsibility of bank’s failure does not come on their shoulders. Employees started dictating management; ministers started diverting fund of the bank to those companies which were their political supporters. Banks books were not properly written and what not...... to damage the health of the bank .

In 1991 government adopted the policy of privatization and globalization. Banks are not at all healthy now also. Employees are pressurized to work for at least 12 hours in a day. employment stopped and retrenchment started , VRS took place to cut short expenses on staff as used to be done before nationalization. Poor villagers started slowly going away from banks. Big businessmen started getting prime and preferred treatment from bank officials. Elite group of the population took loans and advances from the bank and earned huge profits but willfully avoided repayment of loans ..Banks are on the verge of collapse just in the same way as banks are facing crisis in America. Banks appears to be shining only by concealing real bad assets in collusion with team of Chartered Accountants or transferring the bad assets to Asset Reconstruction Company (ARC) banks are able to show attractive balance sheet. But like Satyam.government banks will also succumb to their manipulation game, sooner or later.

Therefore as long as men are not honest and sincere, one cannot treat any system foolproof. As such it will be premature and wrong to say that any system as such is fully good or fully bad. The vicious circle of government control or freedom to market will take alternate position and continue to loot the hard earned money of poor general mass. Now again when banks are facing erosion in capital government has decided to extend the support of Rs20000/ crores for recapitalization of weak banks. Government has decided to interfere in fixation of interest rate and priority of lending by banks. Obviously government is thinking to adopt hard regulation as the same used to exist before 1991.

There are merits ad demerits both in socialism and capitalism. It is only human being who can understand the problem of human being and they can make fool proof system in the larger interest of the country. Unfortunately there appears to be no human being in the system. Politicians use the word “Capitalism and Socialism “as per their whims and fancies in the same manner as they use the term “communalism or Secularism” . It is they who claim always to work for Poor general mass but are more often than not in the grip of rich persons of the society or the hard core criminals for their own survival. Social welfare is the attractive slogan for politicians but the ground reality is the welfare of elite class of the society including politicians.

Danendra jain
13th January 2009

danendra jain
agartala, India
Jan 14, 2009 12:00 AM
231
Neither capitalism nor socialism or communisms are dead or bad for the society. Those person are as good as dead who enforce the system of capitalism or socialism not for overall growth of the society but only for serving the short term interest of a very short group of elite person, own political party and own kith and kin.

Before 1970 banks were in private sector and lost its image because employees were tortured, less paid and overloaded with work, poor villagers could not reach the bank and capitalists used to exploit banks for their vested interest.

Banks were nationalized. Employees started working without the fear of service. No excessive work, workers were paid for overtime, poor villagers found a bank in their own village; still banks failed because of wrong policies of the government. Mr. Pujari, the then minister in Finance Department, the Messiah of Loan Mela distributed banks fund like charity for vote bank. .Mr. V. P Singh waived the loan for creation and strengthening of his own vote bank. Health of the bank ultimately went so bad that government decided to give freedom to bank so that the responsibility of bank’s failure does not come on their shoulders. Employees started dictating management; ministers started diverting fund of the bank to those companies which were their political supporters. Banks books were not properly written and what not...... to damage the health of the bank .

In 1991 government adopted the policy of privatization and globalization. Banks are not at all healthy now also. Employees are pressurized to work for at least 12 hours in a day. employment stopped and retrenchment started , VRS took place to cut short expenses on staff as used to be done before nationalization. Poor villagers started slowly going away from banks. Big businessmen started getting prime and preferred treatment from bank officials. Elite group of the population took loans and advances from the bank and earned huge profits but willfully avoided repayment of loans ..Banks are on the verge of collapse just in the same way as banks are facing crisis in America. Banks appears to be shining only by concealing real bad assets in collusion with team of Chartered Accountants or transferring the bad assets to Asset Reconstruction Company (ARC) banks are able to show attractive balance sheet. But like Satyam.government banks will also succumb to their manipulation game, sooner or later.

Therefore as long as men are not honest and sincere, one cannot treat any system foolproof. As such it will be premature and wrong to say that any system as such is fully good or fully bad. The vicious circle of government control or freedom to market will take alternate position and continue to loot the hard earned money of poor general mass. Now again when banks are facing erosion in capital government has decided to extend the support of Rs20000/ crores for recapitalization of weak banks. Government has decided to interfere in fixation of interest rate and priority of lending by banks. Obviously government is thinking to adopt hard regulation as the same used to exist before 1991.

There are merits ad demerits both in socialism and capitalism. It is only human being who can understand the problem of human being and they can make fool proof system in the larger interest of the country. Unfortunately there appears to be no human being in the system. Politicians use the word “Capitalism and Socialism “as per their whims and fancies in the same manner as they use the term “communalism or Secularism” . It is they who claim always to work for Poor general mass but are more often than not in the grip of rich persons of the society or the hard core criminals for their own survival. Social welfare is the attractive slogan for politicians but the ground reality is the welfare of elite class of the society including politicians.

Danendra jain
13th January 2009

danendra jain
agartala, India
Dec 13, 2008 12:00 AM
230
VS:>>"until islam overpowers the whole world by pop-explo".
AP:>>"Seems all bigots are paranoid too!"

I was referring to the expectation in your mind, not any paranoia in mine.

v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
229
Anushree:>>"Before contemplating options like war it may be wise to ponder"

The points you make are very significant.

Perhaps, we have to stipulate that, only those who have served, at least 5 years, in the national defence forces, should be eligible for standing for election to the lok sabha! Then, we shall have committed patriotic nationalists only as the politicians at the centre, at least. Currently, criminality seems to be a major qualification for getting tickets from most parties, in power and in the oppo.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
228
VS:>>">> I think the majority of people in pak are only 'indics', who cannot hate india and only deplore separation from it".
AB:>>"I think you are horribly wrong".

you should reconsider. loyalty to india is submerged in the genes of all the people of the subcontinent. even benazir became more indic than pakic towards her end, possibly why she was eliminated.

for every advani who shifted from karachi into india, ten more indics might have been left behind in pak; forced into jislam, but still indic in their racial sub-concious. peace in south asia requires these to rise to surface.
let us hope for the best, under God's grace.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
227
AP:>>" passages in the holy books of all religions that are left on the back burner because they are considered as having been appropriate at one time, but have now lost their relevance".

the 'back-burner' aopproach is inadequate. hinduism settled down stably as the polymorphic montheism to be adopted by all acharya-folk, of all sects, only after the bhagavat-geeta was given as the spiritual truth-base for it, along with the upanishads and the bramha-sootras, as the prasthaana-traya.

Similarly, chr should preach only the new testament, the moslems only a suraan of sensiblly selected humanistic verses from the quran.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
226
AP:>>"This is the correct way to preach religion"

Tell that to all your mullahs, outside TN in india and the preachers in mosques in all moslem countries and in european countries.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
225
Vibhaas:>>"We need immediately the following:"

the things listed by you might happen, only if the BJP projects Modi as its prospective PM and fights and wins the next election, with a wholly younger generation of candidates!. BJP is no longer bharateeya janata party, it has become only 'bhaarateeya jarataa party', [old-folk's party], they don't quite inspire the younger generation of virile voters in the country.

incidentally, gupta period is much later than what you have indicated, I think..
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
224
The eminet Javed Akhtar can write some poems while the candle light immolation takes place. "Let the light from this place light the peace between India and Pakistan" or something like that.

It should rhyme well in urdu. That is important.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
223
What are India's options?

A candle light march led by the veteran Kuldeep Nayyar-supported by Vinod Mehta.

And after the candle light march, there can be a candle light dinner. And then a candle light booze. I am sure Vinod Mehta would not mind sponsoring the booze.

And then everyone can light themselves with their candles.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
222
Hot Idli:

Too much of hot chutney and sambhar, very little idli on your tiffin plate!
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 09, 2008 12:00 AM
221
Lalit:>>"forune magasine has suggested tatan tata as india,s obama. there is no doubt about his honesty, patriotism and competence. will any of the present rulers step aside and let him come to power. he would indeed make a superb pm"

Such things can happen only if the constitution is changed for the direct election of the chief executives, at the centre and the states, after parliament, states, elections, may be. Elected alliances can propose their leaders' names, citizens could also propose other non-polit candidates like Tata, Premji or Narayanmoorthi, popular votes can decide. The executive cabinet can be mainly talent-based, not from legislators, clearly separated from the legislatures, for checks and balances in decision processes.

But, the current types of self-centred power-hungry polits, in all parties, are unlikely to make any constitutional changes, which might affect the permanent-power status they are enjoying, in govts or in oppositions, with heavy securities, free homes etc for themselves and families, also.

v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 09, 2008 12:00 AM
220
Learned/Thiagan,

>>>> "You must be the only idiot who believes that!"
>> This is the style of Anwar. he will not adduce any evidence.

You had said, "No other religion has any problem", and I responded, "You must be the only idiot who believes that!" What "evidence" do I need to present to prove that your statement was patently idiotic?

>> whether Pope is liberal or not is debatable point; but for one who believes that Mohammed ...

You just do not have the sense to know what is relevant and what is not relevant in a particular thread. All that you have is your lowly anti-MUslim hate agenda!

>> They are not even .1% of what your friends are doing in Darfur today.

Muslims are dying in Darfur as they are dying in "Gujarat and Orissa and also perhaps Malegaon, Ajmer, Hyderabad and the Samjhauta Express", irrespective of whether they are dying at the hands of other Muslims or of Hindus. Only a sick idiot would come up with such an argument. And that is not abuse. That is a fact.

>>>> "Bigotic hatemongers like you never change."
>> When arguments fail, abuses follow.

Again, that was a fact, not abuse.

>> The other informations that I post, though not directly linked, are there to prove my basic theme ....

Your basic theme is an idiotic and despicable hate campaign. If you only knew how stupid a moron you are, you will refrain from continuously making a fool of yourself. This is not abuse. This is a fact!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 08, 2008 12:00 AM
219
the learned


what does the holy koran say about useing foul language. surely the mullah knows that it is not permissable,

sura 10 verse 9.

mohammet never used foul language before or after
killing infidels-

in fact i do believe he patted their heads affectionately before beheading them.

allah be praised-
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 08, 2008 12:00 AM
218
AN:>>"India must get all the five stars hotels in Pakistan bombed by PAKI TERRORIST themselves".

Well. A more humane way to use swiss-bank money, by those who have it, would be to advertise awards for those who leak details about location, plans etc. of LeT, simi, etc., to facilitate police action against them before they commit the planned acts of terrorism.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 08, 2008 12:00 AM
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Bodh,

>> Anwar Patel, have a name for everyone who questions Islam.

You may be a bigot, but you are more of a bore. You make me yawn.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 08, 2008 12:00 AM
216
This Islamic apologist Faruki now calling himself Anwar Patel, have a name for everyone who questions Islam, shows Islam in poor light or shows Islam for what it really is- 'bigots' is his favorite name, followed by communal etc, etc.
But it's all there, written in black and white for all to read- it's these very same verses in the Q'uran which fires up these butchering jihadi terrorists- they have their authority from the Q'uran. Your vicious propaganda will not make this fact go away- Islam not just encourages, but it exhorts its followers to kill, destroy and exterminate those not of the faith until the entire world is under Islam. Go on Faruki- say this is not so, but vicious lies concocted by bigots?
Bodh
Springfield, United States
Dec 08, 2008 12:00 AM
215
Until very recently, the NATO nations treated India and Pakistan with parity, never mind India had a humungously larger population, landmass and economy than Pakistan. And not just that, over the decades, they treated Pakistan to tens of billions in economic and military aid.
Every war between India and Pakistan was started by Pak after receiving huge amounts of military aid from the West. Now Pak, with its nuclear weapons(technology for which was aprovided by these same Western nations who're so 'anti-proliferation') can pull out the bogey of a nuclear war if attacked, to blackmail the world. At some point India must call their bluff and say enough is enough!
Bodh
Springfield, United States
Dec 08, 2008 12:00 AM
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Seshadri,

>> People like him are only on the job of holding up islam against other religions, until islam overpowers the whole world by pop-explo.

Seems all bigots are paranoid too!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
213
Learned/Thiagan,

>>>> "all religions have problems and that they should themselves address them. Those from outside cannot do much, especially those who bring hate."
>> Rubbish. No other religion has any problem;

You must be the only idiot who believes that!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
212
Lalit:>>" it seems you are more interested in a fight with us hindutwa guys.
AP:>>"But not with the Hindus!

Good hindus, for you and bipin, should welcome the abrahaamics with open arms, men should offer their heads for beheading and burial and their wives and sisters for harems and nunneries, respectively. We beg to differ. Prefer to be hibdutva-vaadis, instead.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
211
Lalit:>>"stupidity and ignorance are blocking any progress in pakistan".

Same with bangladesh and the many mini-paks within india. Root cause is parochial educ in the formative ages of the kids. Thousands of TN moslem youngsters courted arrest yday, demanding the rebuild of the babri masjid at the same place; clearly, they are not aware that Baber built it over a demolished temple! Secular
JNU-concocted educ in india, perhaps, tells them that most hindus are just pagans and infidels, nothing more. All aspects of national life, educ, culture, development, can progress, only if the quality of politics in the country is improved. Perhaps, the national reaction against the mumbai attacks may make way for some good politicians in the contry, in future. Let us hope for the best.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
210
Lalit:>>"when faruki has something bad to say about islam and muslims, he balances it by mud slinging against the hindu religion, and hindus.
...he will never help to reform islam or muslims"

Right. People like him are only on the job of holding up islam against other religions, until islam overpowers the whole world by pop-explo.
Reform of islam can come only from the mullas themselves, when driven to it by necessity, or by revolt of the womenfolk among them.

The prime minister of australia has told the moslems there, if they want any special treatments or privilges, they cant have it, they should leave the country. All non-moslem-majority countries should say this. An organizn of non-islamic states is urgently called for, to balance the activities of the OIC in the world.

v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
209
Lalit:>>"i have never seen a shakha in delhi-and i visit it for 2 monyhs per year. have you seen any in chennai"

I have not seen any in chennai. When I was a school-boy in a district town Salem, TN, I was attending a Saakha, weekly, myself. They taught us reverence for the national flag, some drill, and patriotism, respect for the country and all religions in it, nothing about hindu-theocracy over india, as faruqi is imagining. When I was faculty in BIT, ranchi, in early 1960's, one of the faculty members was running an optional Saakaa there. I think there may be some hundred saakhas per state in the country's major states, totalling two thousand, perhaps.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
208
Lalit,

>> according to you islam is a great religion, and muslims are gods blessing to humanity.

When did I say that? All I have been saying is that all religions have problems and that they should themselves address them. Those from outside cannot do much, especially those who bring hate. Is that too difficult for you to understand?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
207
Lalit,

>> this should be adressed to muslims, and not catholics.

It is your slavish side again. Go to bed.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
206
faruki

your opinions are well known.

according to you islam is a great religion, and muslims are gods blessing to humanity.

my opinions on both are just main stream opinion,
and supported by a gallaxy of western thinkers.

you have at best the support of third rate journalists who write in third rate magasines.
you keep on sending links to some absurd papers.
the journalists have made a niche for them by supporting muslims and attacking hindus.

its fine if you find comfort there.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
205
faruki

"and it called on catholics and muslims to renounce opression,violence and terrorism
comitted in the name of religion"

this should be adressed to muslims, and not catholics. but i guess that they had to be
adressed like wise,for sake of proprietary.

also that about allowing people to worship etc
applies only to muslims.

so what is the message you are trying to send.

the meeting was asked for by muslims, because they are on the back foot.

howevever does any one at all expect anything to come out of this. does any one believe that for example pakistani,s will become moderate, liberal and civilised.

facts on the ground dont support this idea.
Europeans have lost all illusons about getting
muslims to fit into their society.

I know you get insulted by such remarks-
However in this debate I am not going to change my views in order to offer you badly needed
comfort.

Frankly I would advise all in this forum to stop their polemics with you. In a mail today I stated that by and large muslims can not reason, and its a waste of time haveing a dialogue with them.

The recent horrific attack by muslims on a neighbouring country was launched with help from
Pakistani army . Thereafter these people denied all involvement, and the rest of their statements
are known by all.

Its an account of devious, evil , hypocritical
fanatics. These are the people who are die hard
muslims.

Any dialogue with them or you -a less violent version- is futile.

Muslims should be asked to prove that they are
peaceful, tolerant and decent. If they can not,
or will not, then any contact with them is a waste of time. That goes for you too.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
204
Lalit,

Your tirade is as empty-headed as any of your other tirades. Islam and the Vatican have been rivals for 1000 years, so your being enamored of the pope's pronouncements is just a reflection of your own bigotry. The proper way to conduct such a dialogue is exemplified in the following:


http://www.nytimes.com/...Isalm%20dialogue&st=cse

Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
203
"Rice tells Pakistan to act ‘or US will’




By Baqir Sajjad Syed

ISLAMABAD, Dec 5: The US Secretary of State, Dr Condoleezza Rice, is reported to have told Pakistan that there is ‘irrefutable evidence’ of involvement of elements in the country in the Mumbai attacks and that it needs to act urgently and effectively to avert a strong international response.

The information emerging after her departure indicates that in her meetings with President Asif Ali Zardari, Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi and Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani during her four-hour stay in Islamabad, she had told the them that Islamabad’s options were quite limited.

Contrary to the formal statements issued by Pakistani authorities and her own statement at the Chaklala Airbase before her departure, sources said she “pushed the Pakistani leaders to take care of perpetrators, otherwise the US will act”.

She is reported to have said that the response needed to be “effective and focused” and that India was thinking on similar lines.

Dr Rice had told the media at Chaklala that there had been no talk of military action and the discussions had focussed on ways of dealing with the problem of terrorism.

She hinted at having communicated to Pakistani leaders that the matter of dealing with the perpetrators was more urgent than they might have thought. She said: “There is urgency in getting to the bottom of it; there is urgency in bringing the perpetrators to justice; and there is urgency for using the information to disrupt and prevent further attacks.”



http://www.dawn.com/2008/12/06/top14.htm
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
202
"Act now, or we will step in, US warns Pakistan

Last Updated: December 06, 2008 14:46 IST

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice [Images] has told Pakistan that there is "irrefutable evidence" of involvement of elements in this country in the Mumbai terror attacks and it had no option but to act urgently and effectively to avert a strong international response.

Rice "pushed" the Pakistani leaders to move against the perpetrators of the terror strikes warning that "otherwise, the US will act", the Dawn reported on Saturday.

The clear message was conveyed to Pakistan's top leadership by Rice during her brief stopover in Islamabad [Images] on Thursday, diplomatic sources said, giving credence to the report.

Rice said that there was "irrefutable evidence" of the involvement of Pakistani elements in the Mumbai attacks, the sources said.

She travelled to Pakistan after a visit to India, where she was shown the extensive evidence gathered by investigators to prove the linkages between the Mumbai attackers and Pakistan-based elements, especially the banned Lashker-e-Taiba terror group, the sources said.


They said Rice, during her interactions with President Asif Ali Zardari [Images], Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani [Images], Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi and army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, made it clear that Pakistan needs to act effectively to bring the perpetrators to justice. "



http://www.rediff.com/n...not-act-it-will-act.htm


USA IS JUST TRYING TO HOLD INDIA'S COUNTER ATTACK. Soon things will cool .Every body will forget it .Suits impotent Congress well.

AND THEN THE NEXT ATTACK WILL COME !
Rice or Clinton will come will again catch the flight to Delhi and Islamabad.

Whenever USA says they want to help India Pakistan to settle Kashmir issue ISI trained Terrorists sneak in and kill Indians by hundereds .Pakistan wants to keep Kashmir problem on boil to attract attention from the World Powers.

I was expecting the attack after OBAMA said he is appointing Clinton to mediate.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
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"European Parliament slams Pakistan over Mumbai terror attack

December 06, 2008 19:01 IST

In a stinging indictment of Pakistan, European Parliament has said there is 'confirmed evidence' about the country hosting several terrorist groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba and criminal mastermind Dawood Ibrahim [Images] and using them as an instrument of terrorism against India.

Against the backdrop of the Mumbai attacks, the Parliament of the 27-nation grouping asked Pakistan to take urgent action to 'transform its polity to prevent the continuing calls for violent jihad against its neighbours and its partners'.

The Parliament, in a declaration adopted in Brussels on Friday, said, "Despite a democratic government in Pakistan, there is confirmed evidence of Pakistan hosting several terrorist groups and using them as an instrument of terrorism, particularly against India."

It further said, "Despite Pakistan's claim of participating in the war against terror, it continues to host terrorist leaders of the Khalistani Movement, Hizb-uld Mujahideen [Images], Lashkar-e-Taiba and criminal masterminds like Dawood Ibrahim, who live and operate freely."

The declaration -- 'Terrorists operating from the soil of Pakistan' -- reflects the recognition in the world that Pakistan continues to sponsor terrorism directed against India despite Islamabad's [Images] continuous denials.

It also nails Pakistan's lies that Dawood Ibrahim, whom the US has declared as 'international terrorist', is not in Pakistan.

The European Parliament has asked Pakistan to stop all cross-border infiltration and take immediate action to extradite to India "leaders of Khalistan (groups) and other terrorist groups who acknowledge their role in terrorist activities in India".

These observations come as a shot in the arm for India which has been asking Pakistan to hand over the chiefs of LeT, Hizb-ul Mujahideen and other terrorist groups besides Dawood, but without any success.

Even after the Mumbai attacks, India has demanded that LeT chief Hafiz Mohd Saeed, Dawood and other 18 most wanted faces of terror be handed over to this country for their error activities.

Pakistan, however, insists that there is no evidence about their involvement in any crimes in India.

The European Parliament said the madrassas in Pakistan 'continue to provide cadres for terrorist groups, including Al Qaida', and asked the government of the country to take immediate measures to reform the teaching imparted in such educational institutes.

The Declaration said Pakistan's secret service ISI is 'closely aligned to Taliban [Images] and Al-Qaida and is protecting them from international peace forces'

The Parliament asked Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari [Images] to monitor these matters personally.'


http://www.rediff.com/n...ment-slams-pakistan.htm


ZARDARI can't even avenge the murder of his Wife .What can he do for the World ??

a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
200
"Missing: POTA and FBI-like agency

B Raman

The Indian Police and investigation agencies were known in the past for their successful record in the investigation and prosecution of terrorism cases. This record has been sullied since the present government came to power in 2004. It abrogated the Prevention of Terrorism [Images] Act (POTA) enacted by its predecessor government, which gave the police additional powers for dealing with terrorism.

These powers related to longer periods of police custody for suspected terrorists, admissibility during trials of confessions made to the police, preventive detention of suspected terrorists, enhanced powers for the collection of technical intelligence, fast trial of terrorism cases etc.

Muslims, who constitute about 16 per cent of the country's population, saw the POTA as directed against them and demanded its abrogation. The Congress, which heads the ruling coalition , succumbed to their pressure and abrogated the POTA.

[INDIA HAS BEEN DESTROYED BY THEIR FOOLISHNESS TO REPEAL POTA .MUSLIMS WERE WARNED THAT SOON THEY TOO WILL BE KILLED BY THE ISLAMIC TERROR LIKE PAK MUSLIMS .

THEY ARE BEING KILLED BY DOZENS BY THE MUSLIM RERRORISTS.THE NUMBER WILL INCREASE.MUSLIMS REFUSED TO LEARN FROM PAK ]

As a result, the police have been forced to deal with terrorists with criminal laws enacted long before terrorism became a major national security threat. After the Mumbai strike, the demand for strengthening and updating the legal powers of the police has acquired further momentum, but the Congress and other political parties, which rely on minority votes, are reluctant to reverse the abrogation of the POTA."

REMEMBER THIS WAS THE FIRST ATTACK BY THE QUEDA-TALIBANS-ISI COMBINE.THESE ATTACKS WILL INCREASE.
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
199
MEMBERS

This link spells out the REALPOLITIK demolishing the pseudo analysis presented by many columnists of OUTLOOK :

"The dangerous illusion of independent terrorists..."

http://www.theaustralia...4757395-5013460,00.html


Members of this forum will benefit from consulting the full analysis. I believe, one gains insight into the real agenda and modus operandi of the Islamists and the States from which they operate.

Incidentally Lalit, I concur with you what you say about posting to "Faruki" - it is simply a waste of time.
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
198
Members and Faruki

Recent and old events show how sensitive muslims are with regards to their religion, and their own community.

Any criticism of the Koran causes enormous
resentment. Ditto for the prophet, whose importance is equal if not greater then even that of Allah.

Its because of this ,that introspection about their religion is near impossible- and this is
proven by facts. I refer to the amazeing anger and violence that followed the aftermath of the Danish cartoons. Which other community would have reacted in such a manner.?

The same goes for relations between muslims
and other muslims. Crimes comitted by muslims against other muslims do not arouse much anger
or even comment.

Muslims have forgiven and forgotten Pakistani,s
for killing and rapeing women in Bangladesh.
Muslims have done the same when the Sudanese arabs have killed black muslims in Darfur. Should
one of us nonmuslims comment on this, then we are immediately considered intruders into pan islamic affairs.

However should a nonmuslim hurt a muslim, demolish a mosque, or make a cartoon, then this becomes an issue of immense importance, resulting
in violence and mass campaigns. Imagine the fuss being made by muslims regarding the Babri Masjid.

In contrast the Saudi govt demolished property
said to have belonged to the profet Mohammet,
and to have built a car park there.no one commented, leave alone complain.

I think the Pope said something important regarding faith and reason- logos in latin.

He claimed that whereas the Christian religion had the backing of logos,Islam did not. To further enrage muslims he claimed quoteing the Byzantine emperor Emmanuel- "What has Mohammet brought into the world, except hate,evil and violence "-

I think the Pope is quite right. Islam is a completely faith based religion, which in contrast to other religions(also faith based)
has banned any role of reason in it.

Following this I find that most muslims can not think rationally. Any casual remark sends them
into a fit of rage. Because of this any serious dialogue is impossible with most muslims.

There are efforts being made all the time, to build bridges between muslims and others. However
there is no country in the west, where this has been sucessful.

Superficial-and sometimes good relations-may be possible between moderate nonmuslims and muslims.
However no serious intellectual bridgeing is possible.

Faruki,s hysterical outbursts are a proof of what
I have said. I read Pakistan Link, published in
Pakistan a day ago, and was amazed at the lack of
common sense, elementary logic in most articles.
These were articles written by professional Pakistani,s liveing in the USA, but most of them expressed just violent hate, prejudice against India, Israel and the Americans.

I wonder how the Americans feel about these people in their midst.

Eh Faruki- Any comments.?.

another barrage of your abuse is not gonna be
accepted. i can abuse you also in words, that will shock the day lights out of you-

Comments from others who have the capacity to think will be appreciated.

PS- This letter is meant to dissuade people from writeing to Faruki- Its pointless.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
197
Learned,

>> I cited BBs to argue that the muslims will protest if one structure is demolished; if all the temples are destroyed....

Do you even know what you are talking about? Bodepudi had called for demolition of all mosques and killing of Imams. Your reply was "if the demolishion is made because they are unauthorised." When I said your reply was irrelevant and stupid, you said, " So you approve and approbate the destruction of Bamian Buddhaas; then I will endorse his views", which is even more irrelevant and more stupid. That's why I called your reply "Totally irrelevant and brainless."

>> You read the entire post and what was your comment: "Fully agree with you. Thanks for your post."

My response to Zak included the portion of his post that I applauded. It did not include the part that you crticized. This again shows what a liar and deceitful person you are.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
196
>>>>"Pak govt is unable to weed out the root of the problem, someone else will do it for them".

>> The new govt in pak has no real power

Why do you guys think it is even interested in weeding out the root of the problem?
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
195
Anup:>>"Pak govt is unable to weed out the root of the problem, someone else will do it for them".

The new govt in pak has no real power, cant give orders to its own army, certainly not to the ISI, financed mainly by the saudis. India, USA and Israel have to sight the terror camps thro satellies and get them bombed out by drones, guided by GPS. People and govt of pak can watch and applaud, since they claim, even mushaarreff claims, that they are also only 'victims' of islamic terrorism.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
194
Learned,

>> So you approve and approbate the destruction of Bamian Buddhaas.

Totally irrelevant and brainless reply. I have written several posts condemnig the demolition of Bamyan Buddhas. But you have joined Bodepudi in calling for the murder of imams. How is your mentality different from that of the terrorists? You are truly a gutter rat.

>> Is there untochability in Islam? Why classify harijans with terrorists?

Idiot, that message was posted by someone else, not by me. Can you read at all?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
193
ZAK,

>> The recent solidarity among Indian muslims is a sign of revival of the Hindu-Muslim cohesiveness in India. The Hindu-Muslim relationship in India doesn't mean an India-Pakistan friendship cross border. Mind it! The Mumbai attack was not on a city, religion, or a community but India itself. Hence Indians all over the world must forget differences and come together. Else, we will not have India to live and visit; we'll be like Afro-Americans in USA living in identity crisis.

Fully agree with you. Thanks for your post.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
192
The first thing India needs to do is unite as a country. Invaders have always won against India because... the SOBs who run the country should spend time analyzing the root cause. When you have a segmented society, external forces don't require too much of power to win.
Raj
Chicago, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
191
Learned,

>> if the demolishion is made because they are unauthorised.

Is this your answer to Bodepudi's vicious call to demolish all mosques and to kill imams? You are a greater idiot than I had thought.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
190
Before contemplating options like war it may be wise to ponder over the following.
Do we have military leaders of the stature and calibre of Sam Manekshaw, PC Lal and SM Nanda?
What is the state of the morale of the armed forces especially after the sixth pay commission fiasco due to which our officers and soldiers feel cheated and are poorly paid as compared to “Babus” and equivalent civilians? Two months have passed but this vital issue still remains unresolved.
Do our armed forces have the best weapons, modern equipment, sufficient top-quality manpower and strong military leadership?
Politicians, Bureaucrats and a demoralized short-staffed army cannot win wars – this requires well-lead, well-equipped, well-paid and well-motivated defence forces.

Anushree
Kolkata, India
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
189


Muslims in India don't want to fall into two groups:

1. Dalits
2. Terrorists

They love to be treated as Hindu and Christian as every one else in India.

The recent solidarity among Indian muslims is a sign of revival of the Hindu-Muslim cohesiveness in India. The Hindu-Muslim relationship in India doesn't mean an India-Pakistan friendship cross border. Mind it!

The Mumbai attack was not on a city, religion, or a community but India itself. Hence Indians all over the world must forget differences and come together. Else, we will not have India to live and visit; we'll be like Afro-Americans in USA living in identity crisis.

Zak
NY, United States
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
188
Rose">>"The noblest Indian tradition of treating Jews and all wirth no discrimination in India has ended on 11/26 when the Islamic jihadi fascists started killing them, in cold blood"

the thorn is speaking as the rose! jislamists kill indians, inclusive of jewish guests; you are blaming it all on india, expecting that israel should now turn unfriendly to india. Clever antinationalism from a churchian.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
187
I am not sermonizing but I do believe that we should use civil language in our discourse even when we strongly disagree with someone.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
186
1) Go all out to help the Balochs get freedom from Pakistan. India can bomb Gwadar port out of existence. Pakistan will not have the wherewithal to fight on its western front.
2) We are building a road in Iran to bypass Pakistan and take material to Afghanistan. When Obama come to power tie up with the Iranians to get American and Nato supplies through this road. By getting Iran to cooperate we can ease international pressure off Iran.
3) Keep attacking Pakistani Punjab and help spread disaffection in the other provinces of Pakistan against the Punjabis.
gajanan netravali
mumbai, india
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
185
Seshadri,

>> The learned moslems in TN often talk about the lives and sayings of 'nabhigal nayagam' on tv channels. They filter out only the good and noble things from nabhi's life and teachings.

This is the correct way to preach religion, and this is the way it has been done by all other religions. No religion has altered its scriptures, but there are passages in the holy books of all religions that are left on the back burner because they are considered as having been appropriate at one time, but have now lost their relevance.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
184
Leraned:>>"for reasons of survival, we have to study the Book, the life and conduct of the founder and the history of its people. The study also enables to expose the secualr mafia who claim that Islam is a peaceful religion"

you are right. In fact, kuraan can be modified into a 'suraan', if most of the violence-prone prescriptions in its sura's are modified into their opposites, to bring them truly in line with what angel Gabriel might have really told the nabhi. Gabriel was no devil to prescribe hatred and vilence. Arab-born mohammed and his violence-prone associates must have wrongly interpretted narada's suran into abu-baker's kuran.

The learned moslems in TN often talk about the lives and sayings of 'nabhigal nayagam' on tv channels. They filter out only the good and noble things from nabhi's life and teachings, making it out as if nabhi was only another 'acharya' of the hindu tradition! hence, hindus and moslems get along well in most of tamil nadu, unless provoked by infils from malappuram or hyderabad. If most mullas in the whole world edit out a suraan from kuraan, it will be good for moslems and the world, in general.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
183
>> I think the majority of people in pak are only 'indics', who cannot hate india and only deplore separation from it.

I think you are horribly wrong.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
182
We are all angry and frustrated. This is something which should teach us a lesson and for once we should get united. Nations perform the best when in crisis. Hope we learn from that. Actually there is history of two thousand years which tells us that we don't learn and are happy being fragmented.

Actually this is a clash of civilisations and we need to understand the threat at that level. The people who are doing this are driven by an ideology which already took away large parts of india over centuries. Mostly by violence.Pakistan, Afghanistan andBangladesh were all Hindu and were taken away by forced conversions over centuries. Muslims from outside India ended up ruling Hindus and converted large parts by state patronage.

same thing happened when Brits ruled us. We had conversions by Christians.

Now the centuries old phenomenon of Muslims trying to attack others has come back to haunt us. In the past we have caved in and they won and ended up ruling us. They tried that with christians as well but didn't suceed.

Now it is upto us. we all need to stand up and be counted. Otherwise this nation will end up as either many nations or ruled by outiders in some form or some part taken by China, some by Pakistan and rest on its own.

People are frustrated. They want some action and one can already see that happening in form of some "Hindu Blasts". This is nothing but what was portrayed in movie wednesday.

We need immediately the following:

- DON'T PLAY IN HANDS OF USA. TERRORISM IN INDIA WILL NOT GO AWAY WITH US HELP. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN AXE TO GRIND. WE NEED TO BE FOCUSSED ON OURS.
- Develop a thought process which is startegic and considers sercurity as vital.
- All of us should take active interest in Politics. Vote and Keep pressure on the public representtaives.
- Select representatives who are going to take national interest into their mind rather than Chinese or Muslim or Pakistani interest.
- A Total overhaul of intelligence and security set up is required.
- The police force needs to be fully equipped.
- A crisis management system needs to be set which takes control of coordination between various agencies and regular drills are required so that people know whom to call and what to tell the media.
- Media shouldn't have immediate access to the Crisis area. They do more harm then good. IN FACT MOST OF THE TV CHANNELS should be banned. They are playing in the hands of all minorities and just don't portray the correct picture.
- Leaks from security establishment to the Media should be totally banned.
- Tough laws are required and enough judicial mecahnism is required so that people are afraid of law and not consider it as an ass.
- Develop capability to strike deep into any neighbour who is troubling us. Even have ability to strike farther.
- Be rutherless with any kind of violence by anybody.
-Stop conversions from any relegion to any relegion and stop all external funding from outside to any relegious agency.
- Check the infiltration from all sides. seal the Borders totally or as far as possible.
- Stop being goody goody, develop our own cells in neighbouring countries. there are enough peole out there who are dissatisfied.
- BREAK UP PAKISTAN INTO SOME COUNTRIES. IF THE TROUBLE MAKES DOESN'T EXIST> YOUR TROUBLE GOES AWAY.

Moot point is shall we do it? Or shall we be like the "Golden Period of India" during when Guptas ruled india from 4th to 5th century AD. We were extremely prosperuos but society degenerated and we got more intereted in entertainment, sex(the kamasutra is a product of those periods).

It is all upto uss.

vibhaas
Doha, qatar
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
181
KCS;>>"Are there any sane elements left in Pakistan who would want to build any sort of partnership with India?"

I think the majority of people in pak are only 'indics', who cannot hate india and only deplore separation from it. Most popular of hindi filmstars have been moslems and continue to be moslems, only. The indic pakis and pokis must be watching india's hindi films on CDs, without their army and govt knowing about it. When the time is ripe, pak states will gladly confederate with india.

It is the minority of anti-indics in pak, financed by saudis, helped by ISI, who train transnational jihadis in pak/pok and send them into india to destroy us slowly and steadily. A time will come when india-friendly pakis will themselves identify these and pack them off to saudi arabia.

>>"Pakistan survives on enmity with India.If it becomes friends with India the very reason for it to exist will be gone".

This applies only for the politicians, govt and the armymen of pak, especially the ISI [international sword of islam] jislamically financed only from sauddi arabia. American president/vp like bush/chenny, having oil-interests for collab with the saudis, also have supported pak/pok to please saudis, while pretending to oppose al quida, attack iraq instead to reduce oil output from there, to incr the price of saudi oil. Things will change after obama fully takes over and saudi oil-power declines, internationally.

To make this happen, non-fissle energy sources must be expanded. With the nuke deal in place, india should create a separate nuclear power corpn to make state-of-art nuke-energy plants for india and export also, in collab with france, usa and russia; the expertise available with our elder scientists in the field must be fully utilized and lots more of youngsters absorbed into AEC and trained for its expansion, as is happening in the space sector. This is what the late Ramanna would have advised, had he been with us today.

>>"To me now even the rhetoric " Pakistani people are very friendly to Indians, its the Pak leadership that creates problems" sounds utterly hollow."

I think there is quite a bit of truth in it.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
180
"It assumes that the Sadhvi is guilty as charged. This has not yet been proven.

Bonita dear

I have said hundred times here that there is neither credible or prosecutable evidence against Sadvi-Purohit .Three witnesses have turned hostile on TV .Narco is inadmissible.

The only lead ATS had has Sadvi's scooter.Rest of the evidence is Narco .I have said too that Congress was happy that they have got the final weapon Hindu terror-to defeat BJP .I also said that within a span of 10 days killers from PAK BURRIED THE FUTURE OF CONGRESS .

And much more about the ATS misdeeds .


2. "By making such claims, you give credence to those who justify terrorist attacks on innocent civilians in Mumbai, Delhi, Akshardam or anywhere else "

Friend the Agenda of Islamists is WAR of Cuktures.Worls knows that .My statements have no effect on this War.

Pak TV channels are already saying the Mumbai job is a plot by the Hindus-Christians -Jews.

Latest claim of Pak TV is that Kasab is a SIKH .

Regarding Sadvi group-I have said so many times that More sadhu-Sadvies will arrive if appeasement goes on and Muslims don't realise the way congress and Secus have trapped them in vice like grip.

My comments on Batala house and Congress's stupidty may kindly be reffered.

The final position is taht irrespective of my satements :

1. Queda-Talibani-ISI Jehad will go on against us.

2. After a few days we will forget the last carnage .Will wake up when next tragedy happens.

THE FIRST OPTION BEFORE INDIA IS :

We must persuade Muslims to help us to unearth the Sleeper cells in India.This can happen only with their active participation in Terrror fight.

Simultaneously this GOVT SHOULD BE REMOVED.THEY HAVE LOST THE RIGHT TO RULE US.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
179
@AK Ghai

I disagree with the following comment.

"Added complication for them is the Hindu terror.

Perhaps truth may dawn upon them that Hindus have not only statrted Arming themselves but majority of the Hindus justify Sadvi's actions."

1. It assumes that the Sadhvi is guilty as charged. This has not yet been proven.

2. Given (for argument's sake) that she is guilty, to state that majority of Hindus justify her actions is an unwarranted assumption.

By making such claims, you give credence to those who justify terrorist attacks on innocent civilians in Mumbai, Delhi, Akshardam or anywhere else on the grounds that it is retaliation for alleged atrocities against Muslims in Kashmir, Palestine, Iraq or take your pick.

If the bravehearts who are responsible for these attacks have a grievance against the Indian Army, let them take it (the army) on. Similarly, it is for the Indian State to take positive punitive action against the perpetrators of these attacks. Striking in a cowardly manner (which is what terrorism is) against an unconnected innocent is no solution.

If the Sadhvi and her alleged associates, including Col Purohit, are guilty of the offences for which they are charged, they shold also be charged with treason. Their alleged actions have brought disgrace to the Hindu community, the nation and in the Colonel's case the great institution of which he is a member.

A terrorist is a murderer irrespective of his religion and should be dealt with as such - vermin to be exterminated without hesitation.
Bonita
Chennai, India
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
178

Rahul Gandhi is a threat himself.

Rahul Gandhi has been another flirt in the silent offing. He happily screwed the daughter of Satish Sharma (ex I&B Minister)and dumped her. Satish must have been awarded accordingly.

We need to check, of those CABINET ministers, who's got some good looking daughters and wives.

Rahul Gandhi's fantasy is to screw the daughters, grand daughters, and great grand daughters of those Politicians garnishing the Congress in New Delhi. If we conduct a silent racket on Rahul Gandhi - India will be getting hot, surprising news.

Rahul Gandhi is a threat to Indian sovereignty and constitution as long as he keeps sleeping with foreign bitches. There's no guarantee that he will not reveal the CLASSIFIED secrets of India when he's on high with those babes.

If this small boy, Rahul Gandhi becomes the PM in the name of Gandhi dynasty then it'll be the most insulting event in Indian history.

Only those maids at his home know, how they talk bad about India in Italian. Sonia speaks with her kids in her mother tongue Italian. Rahul speaks better and is more comfortable with Italian than in any other Indian languages.
Hot Iddli
Seychelles, Seychelles
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
177

India's actions must be:

1. Fuck USA and its lobby.
2. Bomb parts of Pakistan.
3. Catch the cock of those unbathed allah ass-holes.
4. Drag them to the streets holding their cocks.
5. Put a live desert scorpion inside their pajama.
6. Pierce a needle in their ass.
7. Tonsure them
8. Tie a piece of rock around their bodies and throw them into the Arabian sea.




Hot Iddli
Seychelles, Seychelles
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
176
ganesan

indians must realise that the rulers have no devine right to rule, as many claim.

mayawato has conned the poor dalits and other
equally miserable souls to get to power.

laloo dreams to become pm.

so did gowda.

mms has beaten them to the post, courtesy soni,
where he rules as the regent, waiting for rahul
to demand his right to rule,

there are thousands of better qualified people.
forune magasine has suggested tatan tata as india,s obama. there is no doubt about his honesty, patriotism and competence.

will any of the present rulers step aside and let him come to power. he would indeed make a superb pm,

ngo,s should start a mass movement to get him to be the pm. with him as pm and modi as number
2, india will go places.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
175
"do you really believe that muslims will turn a new page if the bjp just left india, leaveing
behind the other political parties."

Lalit Baggai ji

They will not change easily.Mumbai blasts have shaken them slightly.Finally Muslims and BJP will have to patch up.That is the only solution.

Congress has been using them and will use them further.Regional Parties only exploit them.Batala House is an example.Even educated muslims are not able to grasp the crimes of Indian Mujahidins.

Added complication for them is the Hindu terror.

Perhaps truth may dawn upon them that Hindus have not only statrted Arming themselves but majority of the Hindus justify Sadvi's actions.

Pakistan is making strong efforts to exploit the differences by clubbing Hindus with the Jews and Christians.I don't hesitate to say that majority of the Hindus do approve the the clubbing.

India is at cross roads of the History .The last attack by the Islamists have changed many many equations for ever.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
174
'You watch. Let Congress show put a decent performance in the state elections'

Ganeshan

Then more attacks more deaths in India. We should not complain thereafter.

And I don't rule out what you say Sir.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
173
"Rulers in Delhi will have to understand that people of India will not accept further casualities. "

How do you know? You watch. Let Congress show put a decent performance in the state elections and see how it is seen as a vindication for the approach of Congress. And how the terror issue is slowly pushed to the backburner.

If elections are held in may and if no attack happens in between, terror will not be the number one issue in the elections.

And rulers of India pretty much know the mindset of people of India. That is why they are so callous and get away with cosmetic steps.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
172
"One way of getting the message across that these attacks will not be tolerated is a surgical strike on the camps in POK. A cruise missile attack would be the most suitable. However, I don't know if we have weapons in our arsenal which are accurate enough (to hit a camp without causing civilian casualties). Maybe we could borrow some borrow some. "

CDR ARUN VISVANATHAN

Israel and USA will happily give us the .However Congress will not accept fearing the adverse reactions from Muslims and Commies.

Condi was here to smoothen the beard of Manmohan Singh.USA has its own intersts to watch in Afganistan.Queda / Talibs want that India should open up Western front so that they can overrun whole of Pakista.They say so openly.The Pak terrorists and media openly consider Mumbai attacks as a War against the Jews,Christians and Hindus . The Paki terroists spared no effort to confirm it.They attacked Rly Sations,Hotels,killed Christains and the Jeww centre.

They have deliverd the message from their Akas loud and clear.It is the onset of War of Cultures.

Rulers in Delhi will have to understand that people of India will not accept further casualities. Best course is give the Armed Forces a free hand to handle the Pak Terror.Politiicans are not competent to understand nitty gritti of attacks and counter attacks.

Now there is no going back to talks or trade or cricket diplomacy.

a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
171
AGhosh:>>"The Indian government would do better to focus on an international effort to eliminate the terrorists’ hide-outs and safe houses, some of them deep inside Pakistan".

Yes. Provided it is done jointly in collaboration with USA and Israel, both of which countries have lost their citizens in the attacks on bombay city.

>>"India will also need to cooperate with those in the Pakistani government who have come around to a belated recognition of the dangers of terrorism".

This statement is either pretension or naivete.
The so-called civil democratic govt in pak is only a pretense, with no real power. The real power there rests only with tha army, in turn controlled by the ISI financed and directed only by saudi arabia, despite being weakened by reduced oil incomes. Better to ignore the govt in pak and pok and attack, thro gps-navigated drone-bombs, the terror-training camps there, in collab with usa and israel, sighted thro satellite cameras.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
170
AN:>>"There would be nothing more appreciated by the PAKI Army and the ISI than India retaliating militarily as it would give them an excuse to the PAKI Army to pull out from Afghan Border where they are forced by USA to kill the "Talibani Islamic Terrorist" who were being nurtured by ISI"

LOTS OF VALIDITY, IN YOUR STATEMENTS.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
169
Mr Ghai,

Thank you for the quote. Makes interesting reading.

However, much as Mr Riedel may suspect that this strike had ISI backing, there is as yet no evidence. The GOI, amongst all the accusations and selective leaks of what has been learnt from the interrogaion of Kasav, has been careful not to make this accusation. Nor for that matter has any US source, including the Director of national Intelligence. Quite different from the Jul attack on our embassy in Kabul when even the CIA stated it had been sponsored by the ISI.

Having said that, Pakistan is still reponsible for having turned a blind eye to the activities of anti-Indian terrorist outfits and needs to pay for this.

One way of getting the message across that these attacks will not be tolerated is a surgical strike on the camps in POK. A cruise missile attack would be the most suitable. However, I don't know if we have weapons in our arsenal which are accurate enough (to hit a camp without causing civilian casualties). Maybe we could borrow some borrow some.
Cdr Arun Visvanathan
Chennai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
168
mr. joseph,
you are on the dot regarding paedopile (pbuh) mohamed.
he married a child of nine yr old and consumated the marriage. think about how these ANWAR-UL-ISLAM TERROR-PATEL and other green pigs follow him.

the final result is headache to the world.
venkat
bengaluru, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
167
ANWAR-UL-ISLAM-PATEL
what pakistan exports to the world?

Human Resources in terrorism.

Terrorist Export Offer from pakistan,
Rs. 2 lakhs per person only, only finest terrorists offered, grab the never before offer, gaurnteed to to the job assigned. free additional package of ISI training included.
Contact For more detail,

LET, JEM, Zardari (mr. 10%), entire Cabinet of pakistan govt can be contacted, official tour to the training camps provided spl hosting by anwar patel(faruki)

Hurry, Hurry offer never closes.
venkat
bengaluru, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
166
"Riedel implored the South Asian American community to "avoid the kind of scandalous attacks on each other which we see in the South Asian press already. We've already got Pakistani television -- one commentator saying that this was a Mossad-Indian plot dreamed up to put the blame on Pakistan -- an exact repetition of the kinds of scandalous, scurrilous attacks that we saw after 9/11."

NEELAB MISHRA TOO HAS SIMLAR VIEWS.YESTERDAY VINOD MEHTA also said on X-TV that he was astonished the way TV and print Media from day one were calling it a LET-Pak job .

Now a week has passed.Mehta sahib hope you are by now satisfied that no Sadhu- Sadhvi involved ??

Better We conduct another test on Sadvi-Purohit to settle your doubts once for all.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
165
"While it still seems to be the case that there is no direct link with the Pak Govt in the Mumbai attacks '

CDR Arun

kindly have a look and your views please
CIA analyst says LeT tied in with Pak government

Aziz Haniffa in Washington, DC

Bruce Riedel, a veteran Central Intelligence Agency analyst for nearly three decades, has ridiculed the Pakistani government's denials that its intelligence agency has no links to the Lashkar e Tayiba, that even the director of National Intelligence in the US has said is the number one suspect on American minds as the perpetrator of the deadly terrorist attacks in Mumbai.
Riedel, who was also the erstwhile director for South Asia in the National Security Council during the Clinton Administration and most recently an adviser on foreign policy to the Obama [Images] campaign, said it's difficult to believe the Pakistani government's assertions that its intelligence service has no links to LeT "given the size of its activities in Pakistan."

He said "if there's anything that is a 64 million dollar question today," it is finding out the "extent of its current ties to the Pakistani intelligence service."

Riedel, currently a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, who keynoted a panel discussion organised by this leading think tank on 'Mumbai terrorist attacks: A challenge for India and the World', acknowledged that "we still need to know much more about the origins of this plot and the masterminds behind it, but we can say for certain today that whoever they were, they were heavily influenced by the ideology and narrative of Al Qaeda [Images]."

He argued that the Mumbai attacks "demonstrates that the ideology and narrative of Al Qaeda and the overall global jihad movement remains potent and continues to inspire deadly terrorism and remains a formidable threat today."

Riedel said, "The massacre in Mumbai will indeed be remembered as a seminal event in the history of international terrorism and particularly in the history of global jihad."

"This was an extraordinarily sophisticated and complex plot that had numerous moving parts and which was executed with -- one has to admit -- a tremendous amount of skill by very well trained terrorists," he added.

Riedel said it was a no-brainer that "there was clearly considerable planning involved in this plot over a protracted period of time," and that the Mumbai attacks "were not a plot by amateurs or by a pick-up group -- this was a plot carried out by professionals, who were trained by professionals who were given a professional plan."


http://www.rediff.com/n...aving-lashkar-links.htm

"

a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
164
Anwar: Gujarat can demolish a hundred mandirs, but if Malaysia demolishes a mandir, the hate pracharaks are out screaming "long traditions of hatred against Infidels".

That’s besides the point. The truth is Modi demolished illegal Dargah’s AND illegal mandirs. You are ignoring this AND.

And all these “hate pracharaks” do is scream, but you guys came to india in a boat and used the excuse of one defunct masjid to kill 200 people in cold blood.

And you have the audacity to call our fears as paranoia! You are the one who is paranoid of RSS. The minute someone shouts "Bhago RSS aaya!" you piss in your pants!!
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
163
Anwar claims he is not a pakistani but his ideas are surprising similar to one uttered in this link:


http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=FHQ0WXzY9sc


just watch this to hear the sheer idiocy of pakistani media. And its mainstream media, mind you.

Arundhati, Kuldeep Nayyer, Mahesh Bhatt, Rahul Bose, Yoginder Sikand and all the sickulars SHOULD be made to watch it.
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
162
India must get all the five stars hotels in Pakistan bombed by PAKI TERRORIST themselves. Just pay money to the PAKI TERRORIST and they will do it. In fact they will sell their mothers, wives and daughters for money. OR may be give a QUOTATION to PAKI ARMY but payment will have to be in Dollars in SWISS BANKS.
A Nair
Bangalore, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
161
I do not see a single option to war having been suggested.

What are these "partnerships" supposed to achieve? No partner will get involved unless he feels it is in his interest to do so.

Bombing Islamabad or starting a war with Pakistan is not the immediate answer. However, if the option of engaging in war is foreclosed permanently, then there remains no reason to continue to maintain and Army, Navy or Air Force.

While it still seems to be the case that there is no direct link with the Pak Govt in the Mumbai attacks, any response must be such that Pakistan has a major incentive in clamping down on the groups responsible. If this sounds like a bribe (and it is apparent that US largesse has served no purpose), let us say that there should be a major disincentive to the Pakistan Govt if it fails to take action.
Cdr Arun Visvanathan
Chennai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
160
''Anwar: Do your own research on the internet. It is frightening.

Frightening? Come on! Dont be so paranoid!!

KIRAN BAGACHI

He simply digresses from Islamic Terror .Must talk of Hidu terror.A few freaks are also calling it an Indian operation.It is typical of mullahs to frighten Indian Muslims and keep them tense.Muslims were fearing retributions from Hindus these days . The idea of Paki ISI is to divide Hindus Muslims.Talk of RSS .Talk of Modi .A few agents directly say the Mumbai was the Hindus' operation.Others will talk of Hindutva.

Aim is only one.Foment religeous haterd .What did Joseph do here ? Foment hate.Abuse Hindus.

Why should we hear sermons from USA Cair Maulvies ? We are tired of your,Chankya's,UnTruths hate speeches.Anwar mian realise we don't need your communal advisories.Why don't you advise Pakistan your Country ?

Baba mauf karo ! Jeeney do Baba .We are fed up with your hate mails.
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
159
Bagai: interesting news about the shakhas.
Anwar: Do your own research on the internet. It is frightening.

Frightening? Come on! Dont be so paranoid!!
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
158
Further more it will be quick, short and cheap. I frankly don;t see any other way we can resolve this. We can try to take out the training camps, try for social change, have fruitless conventional wars, complain to every tom, dick and harry who sheds crocodile tears with us. But that won't solve squat. We will come back to the same position we are in now and will start all over again every 3-4 years. So make some meek noises arm the nukes and waste that entire country before they can think of anything.
Nidhi Thubanakere
Bangalore, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
157
How many in of the candle lighting, revenge seeking crowd in this country will show the same "patriotism" if India went to war and Pak nuked us. Opinion will suddenly turn against the govt and everyone will try to bring it down. The politicians are a reflection of the man on the street no different, short memory, indolent, irrational and wants the easiest way out.
If one were to divorce action from emotion we can clearly see that we are fighting a long defeat. These acts won't stop and we will keep fighting like kids in the playground.
As the saying goes it is in the nature of the scorpion to sting. It is not bad or good as the scorpion thinks, it is the way it is. The scorpion is pakistan so as long as pakistan exists it will keep stinging us so the only option for India is to have, no Pakistan. Elect an individual who has the gumption, to show the pakis a hundred sunrises in one day and face the consequences of his actions. The world might call him what ever it wants but he/she will do a great service to India and we can carry on from where we left off. Our progress might be delayed by 5-10 years but what is that to a civilization that has been around for 5 millenia.
Nidhi Thubanakere
Bangalore, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
156
Lalit,

>> interesting news about the shakhas.

Do your own research on the internet. It is frightening.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
155
faruki

interesting news about the shakhas.

and ofcource you believe that the prophet flew to heaven on a flying horse, thought the world was flat as a carpet.

no need to say who is bonkers.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
154
Seshadri,

>>>> "Teaching of hate in 60,000 RSS shakhas in 50,000 daily gatherings"
>> This must be news to the RSS.

All truth is news to them.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
153
Lalit,

>> it seems you are more interested in a fight with us hindutwa guys.

But not with the Hindus!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
152
"Question is, what next?"

Continue with the peace talks and say Pakistanis are just like us. That is what will get you the sobriquet of "sober and thoughtful and measured" from the succular crowd.

Anything other than that is right wing jingoism.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
151
Rose/Bodepudi,

>> The latest demolition of a shrine in Taman Desa...

You are the same bigot who was advocating demolition of mosques and killing of Imams in this forum. You are truly a despicable hatemonger and a hypocrite.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
150
Finally, everyone including US has agreed that Pakistan army and ISI are responsible. Question is, what next?


http://www.nytimes.com/...ia/04india.html?_r=1&hp


There can be no more double talk. Words are useless.
Prakash
San Francisco, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
149
dr s

stupidity and ignorance are blocking any progress
in pakistan.

evertime there is a henious terror attack ,we hear the familiar excuse.

islam is a peaceful religion.

well we can go around discussing whether its peaceful or otherwise.

its more relavent to see how followers of islam
behave in practice. after bomb attacks durein the last 5 years one would conclude -

aaa there are no real muslims in pakistan

bbb islam certainly does not make its followers
better- in fact much worse human beings.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
148
dr s

when faruki has something bad to say about islam and muslims, he balances it by mud slinging
against the hindu religion, and hindus.

if he can not find anything wrong then he invents it and turns abusive.

this means that he will never help to reform islam or muslims.

lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
147
dr s

i have never seen a shakha in delhi-and i visit it for 2 monyhs per year. have you seen any in
chennai. has mr ghai seen any in mumbai.

it seems faruki has lost his marbles. his obsession to protect muslims world wide has
damaged his tiny brain.

i presume he sees flying saucers as well.

sad ending-
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
146
AP:>>"Teaching of hate in 60,000 RSS shakhas in 50,000 daily gatherings"

This must be news to the RSS. If true, most of our streets must be full of lathii-wala youngsters only.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
145
AP:>>"Sober and sagacious editorial in "The Hindu".

Yes, necessary since the 'danger of politically-induced overreach' by the hindus has to be contained, since islamic population overreach has not yet reached the 'critical mass' level of 40%; when that happens, Hindu will be renamed 'islam', and the current advice of 'restraint', to the hindus, will be changed to strong advice, to moslems, of assault on all others in the subcontinent.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
144
>>"radical Islamism, like radical Hindutva"

first one real, you should go to pak to preach against it; second, fiction, only in equivalence-imagination and in the cookbooks of sonia-raj, to ride to power on dramatized hindu-moslem conflict waves.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
143
SV in Hindu:>>"India’s Pakistan problem is Pakistan’s problem too"

Solution will be for pak to disband the ISI and get a few NSG regiments from india to tackle their madcap-problem there.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
142

There's an APOLITICAL MOVEMENT across India. I'll not be surprised if Indians pelt those politicians and kill them in the event of failing from getting the fix for the Mumbai attack.

Mark my words.
Zak
NY, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
141
>>"Pak TV channel says 26/11 hatched by Hindu Zionists"

pakisthan has really become paapi-sthan!. our sonia-raj might also have said the same, but for one of the terrorists being cought live to tell the truth!. Kerala CM, depending on atheistic, churchian and moslem votes, perhaps, was perhaps very unhappy over the success of the NSGs over the terrorists, hence sandeep unnikrishnan funeral being ignored first and despised later. Competance among believing hindus is becoming a great inconvenience for our politicians.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
140
India's Crown Prince was partying even as Mumbai was under terrorist attacks

http://indiatoday.digit...d=4&issueid=82&Itemid=1
Aam Desi
Mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
139
the learned

when i think of islam i think of mad dog faruki.

just reading his comments arouses dislike and
contempt. what an ad for islam.a wicked cult.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
138
aggarwal

if allbright calls pakis an international migraine, what would be her opinion of farukis
in india.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
137
faruki

after the attack on mumbai, we have the right and duty to butcher some pakis.

no apologies are required.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
136
honourable mr ghai

when i look at the cabinet i see the following.

mms with his witless smile, and blue turban
pranab mukherjee- a slimey character
chidambaram- his clothes show how out of synch
he is with the world
antony- ditto

these guys are too old, too weak, to fight
battles for india.

india will never amount to anything, till these guys are booted out.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
135
faruki

it seems you are more interested in a fight with us hindutwa guys- rather then welfare and progress of your nation .

what would be ideal situation for muslims in india- in which state or city.

which place is the best place for muslims in

muslim country- eg happiest muslim country
or a nonmuslim country- eg usa, britain , france

it seems you are in a permanent rage against
lots of countries, and peoples.

do you really believe that muslims will turn a new page if the bjp just left india, leaveing
behind the other political parties.

muslims are hard to please.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
134
"What a sad position for the head of a country."

Zardari is in the same position as Manmohan Singh. Neither have control over their country. The only difference is Zardari can be bumped off by the army any time. The chancees of that happening in India is pretty remote.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
133
Zak
NY, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
132
Do take a look at the article from Economist. It is interesting and Zardari seems to admit that he does not have control of Pakistan. What a sad position for the head of a country.


http://www.economist.co...y.cfm?story_id=12717756

Prakash
San Francisco, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
131
commendable lay out of ground reality. There are many pakistani civilians like the students in pakistan that expressed solidarity and vocated against terror. First things first, we close our loopholes and gaps, upgrade everything we can and learn every passing day. As situation currently stands, if the elected Pak govt is unable to weed out the root of the problem, someone else will do it for them. Containment is vital for the affected.
Anup
San Diego, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
130

Pakistan is a bitchy statehood infected by the AIDS of terrorism. The time has come to Pakistan to die and reborn as a statehood.

Pakistanis can move to Afghanistan as a make shift utill India cleans up those viruses. Once cleaned, Pakis will be informed, then they can have a peaceful life in their respective homes.
Zak
NY, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
129

Had the attack had happened in USA, UK, Canada, Australia, Europe, there will not be any diplomatic talks but deployment of forces in Pakistan by now.

Doesn't it reflect the hypocrisy and cynicsm (who dunnit!) of the world?

India should settle nothing less than capturing those perparators. India missed wiping out Islamad in the Kargil conflict. You can't keep sitting duck for having beaten for no reasons.

The world can't heal the wound inflicted on India. India, as a sovereign state, must take its gauntlet and fight for the justice.

Pakistan, harbouring stateless forces, have miserably failed to bring them under its statehood. Now, the wise decision of Pakistan must be, let the Indan-led world forces clean the base. Pakistan, having wounded itself and failed to contain those elements - they should not live in fool's paradise of governing Pakistan judiciously and constitutionaly.

The world knows that Pakistan harbours all the world WANTED terrorists in its terrain leaving them loose. It's high time Pakistan behaves like a statehood and be with the world norms.

It's very evident that Pakistan, in one hand, leaves the terrorism in tango - the other hand, collects funds to contain terrorism. Does the world not aware of it?

It's a double-game that Pakistan can't win all the time, though will lose it once terribly. The loss could be due to India and its retaliation for the wounds created by those stateless- Pakistan-based fatherless fakirs.

India, in the other hand, should not miss the buss of bombing a part of Pakistan now. India, as a governance and a political system, will lose its face in front its agitated population.

Failing which will bring an APOLITICAL movement sweeping across India.

Awake! Arise! Attack (a part of Pakistan) India!

This attack must be the first and final answer to all those who are dreaming to take granted.

The time has come for India to act to its size and security; India should not die down with its vigour in pocketing those fakirs.

Jai India!
Zak
NY, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
128
Seshadri,

>> hindu shrines alone, old revered ones also, are being destroyed.

I condemned the government of Malaysia for it six months ago, and I condemn them again now. I also condemn hate pracharak Rose/Bodepudi using this as an opportunity to spew his usual hatred against Islam. He has himself openly advocated destroying mosques and killing imams in this forum. He is a two-faced hypocrite.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
127
"Tom Friedman's op-ed in today's NY Times, urging Pakistanis to demonstrate massivley in streets against Mumbai violence, is well written but ill-conceived. "

Then Tom Friedman would expect LTTE to stage a massive protest rally against violence.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
126
Rose/Bodepudi,

>> Following the long traditions of hatred against Infidels.

This from a bigot who has been spreading hatred against Muslims incessantly for years in this forum!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
125
The problem for India is that its options are limited. It cannot attack Pakistan, however, it cannot keep silent. Pakistan is glibly getting away with it again. Multiple people in intelligence have admitted that the LeT is responsible. Of course, the extreme people will say that unless there is 100% evidence, nothing must be done. That is true in an ideal world when everyone cooperates. However, Pakistan will never cooperate. Words are easy, I can also say that it is unfortunate and do nothing. Try doing that in your office when something goes wrong and you will be fired. The problem is that when there is so much history of this problem and sufficient evidence, India must take action. The question is, what must it be? It can be military, which will be a waste. So, it must be economical. Take the trouble to make them spend money on the army. At the same time, put pressure on US to not give them aid or loans. This will hurt them more than anything else. Eventually, they will be bankrupt and tired and come to deal.

The big problem to this approach is that Indians may not agree and that Saudi Arabia may continue funding their camps and madrassahs. The people of Pakistan will never protest against the army and ISI as Friedman expects, he is dreaming. I would suggest such dreamers to spend 5 years in Pakistan, not in 5 star hotels, but among the people before writing such garbage.
Prakash
San Francisco, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
124
AP:>>

unauthorized hundi-collecting shrines of all religions, obstructing growing traffic in developing gujatat, have been demolished, not long-standing high-reverence centres. In Malaysia, hindu shrines alone, old revered ones also, are being destroyed, selectively. Allah is watching, He is omnipresent. Will deliver punishments appropriately, where deserved.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
123
>> Gujarat can demolish a hundred mandirs, but if Malaysia demolishes a mandir, the hate pracharaks are out screaming "long traditions of hatred against Infidels".

Thousands of temples may be destroyed in Kashmir. But if a few dargahs are demolished in Gujarat, the secular industry is up in arms shouting murder.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
122
YMusa:>>"The monument can serve as a place where Muslims can worship instead of having to go on the Haaj".

Right. Afzal Guru can also be awarded the 'sonia-ratna' prize at this holy place you propose. The pak-brit terrorist arrested in bombay, can also get the same award, some five yrs from now, after the supreme-court sentence, followed by a presidential clearance thereof.

In fact, pakisthan should be happy to hand over to india the bombay-bomber, the LeT chief and eighteen other terrorists sought for by india.
In pak, they may get sentenced or shot down by other terrorists. In India, the law will only 'takes its long course', keeping them in five-star comfort, in special jails, no blast-threats, until they get supreme court verdicts, politcal clearance and the sonia-ratna awards eventually! Pak reluctance to hand them over is really unjustified.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
121
>> hundered Mandirs too demolished in Gujrat.

Gujarat can demolish a hundred mandirs, but if Malaysia demolishes a mandir, the hate pracharaks are out screaming "long traditions of hatred against Infidels".
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
120
"How many dargahs have been demolished in Gujarat in the past five years? "

And hundered Mandirs too demolished in Gujrata.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
119
sorry for the spellings ( a usual affair )
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
118
Rose/Bodepudi,

>> Hindu shrine has been demolished by the city authorities in Kuala Lumpur.

That is bad, but why go so far to dredge dirt? How many dargahs have been demolished in Gujarat in the past five years? But that of course should not matter to a vicious anti-Muslim hate pracharak like yourself.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
117
Condi came to show solidarity with India.May be.But he rmain mission was to pacify India so that we don't start COLD START attck.

Pakistan had threatne dto mov eits Army from Afgan Borders to defend Eastern Front.

So for the sake of America has to again its own Security.This happened during Bajpai's time.Same story .
Atleast Bajapai was seasone enough to extract many thing sfrom Mush.Manohan has been too blessed.Indian Govt is taking the evidence against Pak to UNO .Under pressure from Condi ??

Congress has learnt nothing .Nehru too took Kashmir to UNO and halted the winning Indian's Army march towards Mujafrabad !

Oh God what type of fools are these Congress men !
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
116
A Rally in Ahemedabad :-

" Manmohan ho ya Sonia

RajNath ho ya Advani

Mulayam ho ya Maya

Raj who ya Bal Thakre

Sab eik dal ke Panchi hein.

Goli chali toh security mein bhag Gaye "
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
115
Tom Friedman rightly predicts that had the situation been reversed, with Hindus landing in Karachi and staging massacres all over the city, including of visiting Saudi clerics, Hindus throughout Moslem majority countries would be slaughtered en masse.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
114
What option? Kuch nahin hain. What we can do, with our ujeless Mig aircraft and tired Indiyan army. If we go to war we will loose badly. Army have been in Kashmir so long they are tired and burnt out. The netas, many of then ben-chhod, are using our jawan like a doormat. In some states, the black-cat commandoes are used to make tea for the the Netas and his Mla group. NSG aur black-cat are used like watchmen or goorkha. They have to run behind and front of car carrying ben-chhod neta and his group. Our Keral CM is calling brave NSG Major, who gave his life as Dog! Our Pulice and army have been, as Angreji mein bolte hain, emasculated. Hamari army Kashmir mein bahut thag gaye hain. And they are doing all kinds of abuses and rape on the innocent Kashmir people. Our netas say Kashmir hamara hain and yet they negotiation with Pakistan about Kashmir. If Kashmir hamara hain , then why we are talking with Pakistan? Our netas is talking all lies. Kashmir hamara nahi tha. We need to get out of the kasmir keeping Jammu and ladak with us. We need new leaders. I read in india today just now how Prince Rahul and Princess Priyanka doing party in delhi when Mumbai was attacked. Shame shame

http://indiatoday.digit...d=4&issueid=82&Itemid=1


Aam Desi
Mumbai, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
113
Rose/Bodepudi,

>> Tom Friedman's op-ed in today's NY Times, urging Pakistanis to demonstrate massivley in streets against Mumbai violence, is well written but ill-conceived.

Tom Friedman makes a good point. However it is strange for you to quote him since you are the one who advocated murder and even genocide in this forum.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
112
1. There are 100000 people at Taj-Gate way of India.Asking Rulers to go.

2.Rs.250 CROES ARE SPENT ON THE SECURITY OF LEADERS LIKE LALUS,AMARS,ADVANIES,MANMOHANS ,SONIAS,ACHUT NANDANS .

WE PAY .

3,Bullet Proof Jackets were rejected in 2001.Again rejected in 2004.OUR POLICEMEN IN MUMBAI WENT TO FIGHT TERRORISTS WITH THESE REJECTED JACKETS last wednesday and perished.

ULTIMATELY IT WAS NOT THE TERROSIST AKMAL ONLY BUT THE USELESS JACKET SUPPLIED by his Masters TO KATKRE got KILLED HIM !I saw a encounter at VT statin where a Police man was struggling to fire with his 303 at the Terrorists .Policeman ha dto run as 303 was no match for the AK-47.

In whose pockets the Taxes paid by us have disappeared ??

4.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
111
Heroes At The Taj.

"Far fewer people would have survived if it weren't for the extreme selflessness shown by the Taj staff, who organized us, catered to us and then, in the end, literally died for us.

They complemented the extreme bravery and courage of the Indian commandos, who, in a pitch-black setting and unfamiliar, tightly packed terrain, valiantly held the terrorists at bay."


http://www.forbes.com/2...-cx_mp_1201pollack.html

Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
110

Pakistan thinks keeping slience and postpoining India's requests will cease the tension between these two countries. I hope not.

Indians are not ready to forgive Pakistan this time.

USA wanted to strike Pakistan. Unfortuately, a friend can't be treated a foe over a night. Hence USA will love to see Pakistan pounded in the name of an Indian attack.

It'll be two hits by one stone for both India and USA.

India should not look at the Mahatma Gandhi photo and snooze off eventually.

Let's parade to the Parliament of India; swear to pound Pakistan.

If Pakistan claims, Pakistan attacked and India failed in its intelligence, then India must show Pakistan how India can succeed militarily.

Dear India,

Don't miss the bus to bomb Pakistan!

Pranab Mukerjee ji,

Stop bullshiting about all motivational talks; get the arms ready!
Zak
NY, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
109
Yes, wait to buy time as people's memory fade a bit, then resort to some dirty tricks like minority/SC/ST reservations in army/police, "Hindutva terror", more illegal Bangladeshi immigrants in Assam/WB, more and more Raj Thackeray style politicians all over India etc. etc. to confuse and diffuse the electorate and divide the country ...
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
108
>>>'Indian Muslims and moderate Muslims across the globe should take up the fight against Wahhabi and other extreme forms of Islamist ideology, instead of constantly repeating bland pieties about how Islam does not stand for terror."

It should be hard for any honest and sensible perosn to disagree with Mr Ram Kelkar.

The fight needs to be led by Muslims.

And the time for 'root cause analyses' is over.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
107

Read this:

http:
//timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1612168.
cms
Sasi KC
Reston, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
106
Aggarwal ji and friends .I see thousands and thousands of people at Gate Way of India in front TAJ with Indian Flags in hands .There are Hindus,Muslims,Busunessmen ,students,ladies, poor and rich asking Leaders why why you have destroyed our Country.They are chanting leave your Chairs .Go home a-we will run the Country.Leaders are corrupt,crimnals,they betrayed our Freedom.Sky is shaking with sologans like Bharat Matta ki jai.Vande Matram.

This is a non-political rally .Wherever I can see there are heads and heads of agitaed peole.Angry but well behaved.

They say will leaders resign or should their houses be gehrahaoed ?? If you have access to Indian channels have a look.After attack there was apprhensions in minds of Muslims for their safety.Now they are in Rally .

This is an also an answere to a few Pakistanies posting here under fake IDs .
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
105


Pakistan is the kitchenette and toilet of the world terrorism.

The geographically-dry Pakistan is fit for terrorist activities; not for a civilian governance.

Stop blaming at the Government of India! Indians must stay united for the moment.

India seems to be moving in the right directions.

1. Get those terrorists back to India or bomb those camps in Pakistan.
2. Cut off ties with Pakistan.
3. Stop the water from India.
4. Invoke economic sanctions against Pakistan.
5. Ban Cricket forever.
6. Send the Paki embassies back; call back Indians from Pakistan.
7. Pakistan has been cornered now. It has only one way out. That is, listen to India.

The world is with India; whatever India decides on Pakistan, the world will abide by it.

India should not miss this opportunity to fix Pakistan in its axis.

If India misses this opportunity, then we'll have to pay the price more than what we have been paying because of those Gandhian, Nehruvian, Chandrasekaran, Gujaralian, Gowdavian, Vajpayeeist goof-ups.

Let's hope we don't add MMS to the honorary goofy's list.

The civilian must parade to the Parlianment and fast until the culprits are borught to their knees.

India needs an apolitical movement now. Politics in India has gone to an extent of killing its own people, knowing and ignoring they'll be killed and let them be killed.

Alas!

Sasi KC
Reston, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
104
Amitav Ghosh's article doesn't convey any sense of violation or outrage as an Indian. It is just a display of his virtuosity as a writer. But even taking his dismissal of the equation of Mumbai with 9-11 at face value, India hasn't experienced just one major terrorist attack like the US. There have been well over a dozen. So when you add them up, they come pretty close to the seriousness of 9-11.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
103
Lalit, one little counter: The Moslem elite and professionals can be very slimey, opportunistic, conniving or paranoic. And that itself betrays their Islamic mindset. Look at Jinnah, Bhutto, Shireen Mazari, plus commentators like Rehan Ansari and scores more. Don't excuse or ignore the Moslem/Pakistani educated classes. They are complicit big time in Islamic terror and Islamic obscurantism. The masses act like animals.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
102
" don't think the Congress is left with any options ... only one there is to gracefully admit its fault and resign immediately "

I agree. Congress simply does not have the mandate or the political capital to go on at this point.

But realistically, terrorism as a central issue is a sure loser to Congress. So they will wait till the issue is pushed to the backburner.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
101
Mr Ghai

I don't think the Congress is left with any options ... only one there is to gracefully admit its fault and resign immediately ... this is the best time for elections, possibly in Feb when the weather would be cool and we would celebrate Holi afterwards burning its effigy on every chauraha (x-roads) in Holika fires ...
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
100
Next Afzal episode .Patil used to say he will take 8 years to decide on Afazal's fate !

What is the stand now ?? Can't they hang Afzal granting there will be adverse reactions to it.This is plain cowrdice that if State bows to general sentiments and surrenders its right to administer and refuses to take harsh but judicously correct decisions.
cntd
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
99
"Pakistan, an international migraine," says former US Secretary Madeleine Albright.

My word !! the chickens are really coming to roost ... is it the same Madeleine Albright who same as her predecessor Henry Kissinger in Nixon days had described Pakistan as the most trusted and all weather friend of US in Asia. Now, both have taken a U turn ... indeed ?
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
98
WHAT OPTIONS INDIA HAVE -NONE AS FAR CONGRESS IS CONCERNED :

Congress surrendered the right to administer India without any partiality to any Religeon.

POTA the only Terror Law was thrown out of window to please the Muslims .All othe rUPA memebers joined in denuding India of its only Terror Law.Argument that POTA could not prevent Parliament attack .This is aburdly mean argument.

Laws are meant to punish .They can not safe gaurd the atatckss by a Terrorst .No Law prevents it only punishes. Pota was meant to speedily punish the criminals specially Terrorists.

I don't know how many Muslim Votes Congress gained but it surely denuded India to prosecute killers.Siv Raj Patil used to say he will punish Terrorists with ordinary Laws.If BJP wants let them have when they come back.

WHY THESE CONGRESS is NOW ASKING FOR STRINGENT LAWS ?? Only last week Patil vailantly reccomended /wanted to recommend to Pez that Gujrat,Rajasthan,Chatisgarh and MP all BJP ruled States will not get Pota .While Congress has no problem in Mahrashtra with similar Law.
Does it mean that the BJP ruled Sates are not inhibited by the Indians ? Why this partiality ??

BJP ruled Sates modified the their Laws on same lines of Maharashtra.

WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS LEFT FOR CONGRESS ?? WHAT IS ITS PAST RECORD ??

next
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
97
After one week, a bag is found in CST with explosives. The efficiency of the mumbai police is breathtaking. SO is their commitment to fight terror. If the police is not capable of cleaning up CST and taking a thorough inventory, why do they still have the jobs?

And this at a time when the CM is scheduled to visit the place!!!!!
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
96
Soniamma issues a warning

""We will not bow down before terrorists. We will give a befitting reply," Gandhi said at an election rally in this town on Srinagar-Muzaffarabad road"

Saint Sonia who still now was compassionate incarnate has now become Kaali. One is unable to stand in front of the fury of the Lady Goddess.


And meanwhile, explosives are found in CST-a full week after the attacks. Luckily for the Maharashtra govt and the police, the bombs have been defused. Had it gone off, Deshmukh would have been burnt alive.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
95
Pakistan "intersection of nuclear weapons and terrorism" says a high-powered
bipartisan US Congressional commission. In its report they had "singled out Pakistan for special attention in the report, as we believe it poses a serious challenge to America's short-term and medium-term national security interests. Indeed many government officials and outside experts believe that the next terrorist attack against the US is likely to originate from within the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) in Pakistan."

The report warned that a nuclear or biological attack is likely within five years and called for decisive global action to address the threat. It urged the creation of a new post in the White House that would focus solely on overseeing government efforts to prevent an attack with WMD.

Without urgent action, "it is more likely than not that a WMD will be used in a terrorist attack somewhere in the world by the end of 2013," the commission said.

read:
http://timesofindia.ind...articleshow/3788824.cms


Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
94
Are there any sane elements left in Pakistan who would want to build any sort of partnership with India ? Pakistan survives on enmity with India.If it becomes friends with India the very reason for it to exist will be gone.To me now even the rhetoric " Pakistani people are very friendly to Indians, its the Pak leadership that creates problems" sounds utterly hollow.
K.C.Sharma
Delhi, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
93
'Indian Muslims and moderate Muslims across the globe should take up the fight against Wahhabi and other extreme forms of Islamist ideology, instead of constantly repeating bland pieties about how Islam does not stand for terror."

NONE WILL OPEN HIS OR HER MOUTH !
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
92
SO WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS FOR US ??

"It's time to hold Pakistan accountable

Ram Kelkar

It's time to hold Pakistan accountable for inactivity. The West should stand in solidarity with India in telling Pakistan that they cannot allow Lashkar-e-Tayiba and other such groups to exist just so that they can be used to fight a proxy war in Kashmir. And Pakistan cannot allow killers like Dawood Ibrahim to live a life of luxury in Karachi.

Indian Muslims and moderate Muslims across the globe should take up the fight against Wahhabi and other extreme forms of Islamist ideology, instead of constantly repeating bland pieties about how Islam does not stand for terror.

While it may be difficult to speak up for moderation in Peshawar and the tribal areas in Pakistan, where moderates will surely be killed if they dare to speak up, there is absolutely no excuse for the leadership of Pakistan and countries like Saudi Arabia and other Islamic nations who need to speak up against the terrorism, without any reference to 'root causes.'

The evidence of Pakistan's official complicity with terrorists is clear. Even the CIA has acknowledged that Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence aided and abetted the murderous attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul. The undeniable truth is that Pakistan is a State sponsor of terrorism, which tolerates and nurtures terrorist outfits like LeT and allows assorted armed militants and terrorists to cross the border into India and Afghanistan to kill Indians and Westerners with zero remorse.

Ashley Tellis speaking on Fox News Sunday said that the 'Indians have been developing a Cold Start strategy... which would involve a short cross-border punishing raid in response to any major terrorist act... diplomacy may not have time to work... and you may be preempted by an Indian military attack or a conflict on the border between the two countries.'

If 'Cold Start' scares the living daylights out of the incoming Obama administration because it would distract the Pakistani Army from fighting Al Qaeda in the North West Frontier Province, then so be it. Maybe the West will finally recognise that India has been fighting its lonely war on terror for much longer than the West. And while it maybe too much to expect sympathy and support, India could at least have the same rights of self defence that the West has reserved for itself.

Tell your Senator or Congressperson that either something changes, or else. Time is running out for the West to tell Pakistan that it is 'game over.' Pakistan's obsession with India's success and baseless paranoia about India's intentions cannot be tolerated.

Indians and Indian Americans have had enough. Enough already.

Ram Kelkar is a Chicago-based writer. "


http://www.rediff.com/n...akistan-accountable.htm


CNTD

a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
91
Congress has been put in a very very tight corner by LET-ISI attack on Mumbai.If it does not take some credible action it will be doomed in next elections .It is surely will be decimated in coming Elections. All ready masses are showering choicest abuses on it.Ten days back it was well poised to take upon BJP on Hindu terror .A section of Hindus did felt revulsion for Sadvi etc.Congress was gloating that it has found a mantra to neutralise BJP .

First setback came when ATS in its zeal to seal the fate of Sadvi-Purohit started saying that the duo supplied RDX for the Samjohta Express blasts .ATS did the simple mistake of not reffering to the forsenic reports of the explosives used in Samjohta blasts.IB and Military refuted the RDX claim . Before that Harayana ATS -of another Congress ruled State too jumped in the fray to support the RDX theory. WHO DOES NOT TO BE IN GOOD BOOKS OF THEIR BOSSES.

Onc snubbed Mumbai ATS tried to wriggle out by saying that their Prosecution Lawyers had overstepped the breif. Prosecution too said that nothing like was said .It was the usual misquote by the media .

But two tell tale evidences sank this theory too.The media had recorded the breifing .But ost the most damaging evidence was that in its remand application ATS did state about RDX supplied by Purohit for Samjohta.

That happens when investigative agencies try to implement their Poitical masters agendas.This sank the whole investigations of ATS till then investigations were on the right track .

However with passage of time this lapse too would have been covered up by the ATS.But unfortunately for ATS one one hand Indian Muslims were convinced of Hindu terror .They were already smarting under the stigma brought upon them by IM and Batala House Encounter.Though Congress ,Lalu,Amar,VCs ,Imams tried to turn the whole IM terror as concocted that too by the Police under direct control Home Minisnter Siv Raj Patil who always stood with Muslims .On other hand Hindus reacted sharply to the exposure of ATS's anti-hindu stance.

Raberiro did wrote that four days before his death Late Karkare met him and wa much disturbed .To be fare to Late Sh. Karkare ,Rabiero did wrote that ATS has credibl evidence against Sadvi etc.

Idea of Hindu terror was God sent relief for Muslims. I don't blame the much vilified and abused Aam Muslim for his sense of relief an dsmirk on the face.

Then came the Mumbai Blasts .Well laid out Plans of the Congress and UPA smoked away in the Hotel Fires.LET -ISI attack killed the very soul of the Congress . Like mouses alies of the UPA abondned the sinkumg Congress Ship (cntd)
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
90
India’s 9/11? Not Exactly.

Amitav Ghosh


http://www.nytimes.com/...3ghosh.html?ref=opinion

Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
89
There would be nothing more appreciated by the PAKI Army and the ISI than India retaliating militarily as it would give them an excuse to the PAKI Army to pull out from Afghan Border where they are forced by USA to kill the "Talibani Islamic Terrorist" who were being nurtured by ISI. The PAKI ARMY which has ISLAMIC FAITH as one of the corner stones for motivation is hugely becoming un-popular because they are killing MUSLIMS along the Afghan Border. IT WILL NOT BE SURPRISING IF THE MUMBAI ATTACK HAS BEEN SPONSORED BY PAKI ARMY AND ISI HOPING FOR A MILITARY RESPONSE FROM INDIA so that mutinies amongst the Paki soldiers can be quelled by shifting them opposite India. The democratic govt of Pakis is just a "commercial break" (pun intended) between two military dictatorship, with another Zia or Mushraff taking over again in FIVE years time. So stpo sporting relations, cut off all communication- train, bus, goods, even telephone- but military response would be playing into the hands of PAKI ARMY and ISI. Let the PAKI ARMY stew in their own juice and kill the Islamic terrorist along Afghan border, they created and sustained.
A Nair
Bangalore, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
88
They say there were only ten terrorists and that each of them had only two hundred rounds of ammunition and a few grenades. Yet they were able to hold out for almost 60 hours in more than two locations
Ananda Kumaradasa
Chennai, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
87
There is one very simple matter that has to be attended to if all the rest is to fall into place. We must investigat and monitor the income of all politicians and government employees from top to bottom. Those who cannot account for their income and assets must be sent to jail. Until this is done nothing else will work.

This must be followed by another far reaching change. Torture must be abolished as a tool of governance and anyone found guilty of indulging in torture should be sentanced to death. This will restore human dignity and give people the space to challenge curruption, misgovernance and the abuse of power. Untill torture is abolished we will continue to be ruled by criminals.

These are two major options that we have. If we choose these options then things will change. If not we can be certain of only one thing: more of the same
Ananda Kumaradasa
Chennai, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
86
Rose/Bodepudi,

But you are both a hate merchant and a liar. You called for murder and genocide, and you tried to post messages using my ID in this very forum. You shall never be able to live that down!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
85
>> I know there are no RSS shakas in Pakistan.

Why only in Pakistan. There are none in Kashmir either. The local Muslim population took care of this "problem" by murdering/converting/driving away the Hindus.

Maybe this is what the liberals also want when they talk about getting rid of the RSS problem.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
84
India has to live with Islamic terrorism forever, because of the hatred which Muslims harbour towards all others. There cannot be total defence against those who have no regard for life including their own. The hatred can be minimised if Indian Muslims and the secularists make it known to Muslims elsewhere, esp. in Pakistan, that Muslims in India are much better off than the handful Hindus still remaining in Pakistan, after the harassment which made them quit either the country or religion. Instead, they blame the tolerant Hindus and preach to them.
The secularists also dig out ancient hsitory to prove that Saivaites, Vaishnavaites, Jains and Buddhists were also intolerant and persecuted one another with the support of the king of the time. This was the message which Kamalhasan spread in his movie Dasavatharam.
Thus they justify the annihilation of the Buddhist Nalanda University and the repeated plundering of temples at Somnath, Srirangam, Hampi, etc.
R. NARASIMHAN
CHENNAI, INDIA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
83
Vibhaas:

The many suggestions you have made makes lot of sense. The interests taken by hindu nri on india's unity and the development of india is highly commendable.

But, the root cause of the problem of national disunity in india is the fact that both middle class and even poorer sections, in india today, tend to send their kids to churchian convent schools [mainly for good english learning], where they are given biased anti-hindu education also, by the sister-folk. Decades later, this tends to produce the psuedo-secularism we see among all intellectuals, even among hindus. One way of preventing this is to arrange for good 'english-educ', even in non-convent govt and private schools also. As Gajanan has mentioned, nri hindus tend to get more keenly aware of india's sanatan-dharma heritage, even more than hindus resident in india. If nri-hindus, in groups, adopt good non-convent elementary schools in india and fund them to improve standards in educ of english, sc/tech subjects to parity with churchian schools, the current trend of hindu kids going to convents could be reversed. Emotionally unified hinduism surviving in india over the new century, against jislam and church, may get a revived opportunity. Some efforts in this direction by infotech entrepreneurs in karnatak has been responsible for the recent dethronement of the churchians from the state-govt there. AP and bengal are sadly crying for such help.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
82
Rose/Bodepudi,

>> whose hero was (is) Ahmedinejad.

You may keep changing your ID's, but you remain the same old liar and hate merchant.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
81
>> In this case, it is called the verses from the Book.

A gutter rat would never miss an opportunity to insult the faith of others.

>> I know there are no RSS shakas in Pakistan.

So what made you write that idiotic post?

>> Then the entire .2 million muslims in UK should be in jail.

Exaggerating and lying are a hate pracharak's tools of trade.

>> I am more confident the British will resolve this and the host of other muslim problems in ways similar to what Hitler did to Jews.

Further proof of your idiocy and venom!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
80
Vibhaas:>>"This is something which should teach us a lesson and for once we should get united. Nations perform the best when in crisis. Hope we learn from that. Actually there is history of two thousand years which tells us that we don't learn and are happy being fragmented".

You are right. days when india could be proud of 'unity in diversity' seem to have gone. Now we seem to be keen on amplifying our diversities into permanent disunities. A churchian group sitting in delhi seems to be keen on enlarging hindu-moslem differences and animosities, by manufacturing hindu terrorism, within the army, to play even with hindus and moslems on terrorism issue also. Some more states are sought to be brought under churchian rule, in the process.

The reasons for the bimbay events are dual: failure of internal security as well as that of naval surveillance of the arabian sea, as the naval chief has himself admitted. The HM at the centre and dy CM of mhrtra have been forced to resign. but, the churchian defence minister, instead of resigning himself, is now deciding who will be the next CM of mhrtra!. In sonia's churchian raj, christians are above all laws, moslems can have their shariat, no POTA, but hindus will be assaulted under all possible laws, sadhvis, swamis and patriotic armymen will be specifically targetted. crypto-churchian psuedo-secular media will justify all such actions, defining hindu-sentiments as hardcore communalism.

On the other hand, look at the USA. After a hard-fought election, the new admn team is seen to be strongly bipartisan, all sides cooperating for the best interests of the nation internally and internationally. Fortunately for the americans, religion is not allowed to play any strong role in politics. In india, nationalism is losing out against communalism and casteistism.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
79
Remember who said this : 'An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind'? India has been fighting this low intensity war for many years now with Pakistan. Just think - why have we not been succesful so far?

One more strike in Pakistan, as encouraged by the rightists, will only INCREASE animosity - and is against the principles of a TRULY peaceful people.

America got away with Iraq, only because the terrorists cannot strike back due to the distance, UNLIKE in the case of India. So there can be NO a comparison, unlike what the America worshippers think.


India is bleeding again and what should India DO to bring REAL peace?



1. The politicians should engage the extremists and negotiate with them on ALL issues, INCLUDING a peaceful end to the Kashmir situation, which could not be wished away, ever since 1947, and remains a bleeding wound! We cannot afford to pass this on to our next generation.

2. Punish policemen and judges guilty of provoking counter violence by the general public in J&K. Invariably, violence around the world is intimately linked to the lack of genuine and free methods of REDRESSAL of grievances of the population. ( The live terrorist has said he did it for money! ) Similarly, the TRPS activist mediamen like Arnab Goswami, should be punished, and not merely reprimanded.

3. Make corruption, communal, casteist, and misandrous politics a crime, punishable by hanging, similar to anti-nationalism.

4. Punish mothers, priests, and school teachers, guilty of brainwashing young school children, that RELIGION is 'peaceful', when facts show it is clearly not.

The question is, will we have the guts to go the easier way ( war, sitting on sofas, and hoping and wishing ), or the tougher way, as listed above.

Only time will tell.
Parthasarathy reborn
Chennai, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
78
Remember who said this : 'An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind'? India has been fighting this low intensity war for many years now with Pakistan. Just think - why have we not been succesful so far?

One more strike in Pakistan, as encouraged by the rightists, will only INCREASE animosity - and is against the principles of a TRULY peaceful people.

America got away with Iraq, only because the terrorists cannot strike back due to the distance, UNLIKE in the case of India. So there can be NO a comparison, unlike what the America worshippers think.


India is bleeding again and what should India DO to bring REAL peace?



1. The politicians should engage the extremists and negotiate with them on ALL issues, INCLUDING a peaceful end to the Kashmir situation, which could not be wished away, ever since 1947, and remains a bleeding wound! We cannot afford to pass this on to our next generation.

2. Punish policemen and judges guilty of provoking counter violence by the general public in J&K. Invariably, violence around the world is intimately linked to the lack of genuine and free methods of REDRESSAL of grievances of the population. ( The live terrorist has said he did it for money! ) Similarly, the TRPS activist mediamen like Arnab Goswami, should be punished, and not merely reprimanded.

3. Make corruption, communal, casteist, and misandrous politics a crime, punishable by hanging, similar to anti-nationalism.

4. Punish mothers, priests, and school teachers, guilty of brainwashing young school children, that RELIGION is 'peaceful', when facts show it is clearly not.

The question is, will we have the guts to go the easier way ( war, sitting on sofas, and hoping and wishing ), or the tougher way, as listed above.

Only time will tell.
Parthasarathy reborn
Chennai, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
77
>> Pakistan can go to hell

Even hell wouldn't want it.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
76
England is thinking whether to come back to India again. I hope they dont.

That would be an embarassment to the govt and that is exactly needed right now.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
75
News item:>>:"Pakistan today proposed formation of a joint investigating mechanism with India to probe the deadly terror strikes that have sparked tension in bilateral ties".

joint investigation may have adv, but disadv also. since ISI in pak operates independant of its govt, with favoured links to terror-trainer outfits, info reg india's actions on terror-prevention, if shared with pak, can reach their terrorist outfits also, for their benefits.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
74
Rose/Bodepudi,

Have you created the "Rose" ID in order to make us forget that you are the one who had advocated murder and genocide in this forum, and who tried to post messages using my ID?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
73
Lalit,

>> in answer to a query, i got a reply from a distinguised columnist based in karrachi.

Does he know that he is talking to an empty headed hate propagandist?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
72
Prakash,

>> While the problem exists in both countries, there is a difference.

The Hindu editorial does not disagree with you.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
71
Indian Army, Navy and Air Forces lacks the modern weapons to attack and win over pakistan. Indian navy do not have 2 aircraft carrier also. Our tanks can't destroy modern pakistani tanks "Khalid". After Tehelka episode defense officers are not taking interest in finalising defense deals. Our politicians are sycophants and busy in appeasing Sonia rather than modernising our defense. Congress jeopardised our defense thinking that militarily stronger india will annoy indian muslims as weapons might be used against their own brethren in Pakistan. UPA could not buy 126 5th generation fighters and we lack modern fighters which can launch air strike over Pakistan.
Mrs Bhanumati
Jhansi, UP, India, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
70
Let us not forget that UPA government is ruling with the votes of Muslims, majority of whom are loyal to Pakistan. We know shameless secular hindus do not accept this but it is a fact. There could be few ministers and leaders who share information of indian government with Pakistan. Some UPA islamic leaders will defeat india if it goes to war with Pakistan. Man Mohan Singh is the weakest Prime Minister our country has ever had.
Mrs Bhanumati
Jhansi, UP, India, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
69
"And it has reflected the reality that Pakistan today is a country and polity and society that is more at war with itself than with any other adversary, real or imagine"

Yeah right. This is from the sober editorial in Hindu.

Since Pakistan is at war, we must "understand" them and try to help them. The reply of most people would be "who cares? let them screw themselves".

Pakistan can go to hell(it would be a short distance to travel). Our job is to make sure it goes to hell faster.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
68
faruki

in answer to a query, i got a reply from a distinguised columnist based in karrachi

his reply.

aaa no, i can not understand the muslim mindset

bbb no, rationality is not a oart of the muslim
mindset-

dr sultan has said the same- that you guys can not reason, and thats why you are blind followers of your evil cult- those are the
words of dr sultan, who is now being harassed
by nit wits like you for speaking up.

you know that islam is full of evil and violence, and when you do agree with this, you
have to throw mud on other religions as well

this is not acceptable.

one can say that islam is a violent religion, without implicateing other religions, in order to comfort yourself.

you can not with any decency say that pakistani,s and americans are equally fair and decent, especially when you hear of weird claims
blameing hindus and jews for the attacks on mumbai.

stop this miserable way of argueing. lots of people have commented on this.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
67
>>Sober and sagacious editorial in "The Hindu".

While the problem exists in both countries, there is a difference. The terrorism in India was not promoted by the govt, the one in Pakistan is actively promoted by the army, ISI etc. Even now, they refuse to accept the closedown of the LeT, putting its head in prison etc. Pakistan is a country in shambles due to the policy they promoted. India as a country did not promote this policy. So, please let us not compare India and Pakistan. They are distinct, their problems are distinct. I do not see Pakistan complain about India when they have a terrorist attack in one of their cities.
Prakash
San Francisco, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
66
Lalit,

>> even when you admit the faults of islam, you have to have a dig at the followeers of hindutwa.

What a stupid comment! But typical of you.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
65
pakistani intellectuals !!


http://timesofindia.ind...articleshow/3785654.cms


I dont think any muslim actually would want peace, including the Islamic fanatics here.

So we need a plan. without going to alout war because of the neuclear threat.

1) Start by special ops in Bangladesh and Nepal by destroying the training camps there. This will make pak divert more resources there, which makes their economics more problem.

2) Use the Afghan drug runners to create disturbances in Balochistan and NWFP. Pay them.

3) Reverse operation in Karachi vi sea using MQM and non-muslim underground, incentivise the underground that if they can do it we drop the criminal cases. This will also give us deniability and them jobs. We pay them.

4) In the last phse go for targated Assasinations of ISI/Let Operatives.

5) Finally use special ops to blow up couple of dams during monsoon.
ANBanerjee
Newcastle, United Kingdom
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
64

India is moving in the right directions:

1. Pocket those baddies from Pakistan.
2. Rule out joint operation against terrorism.
3. Keep the Military option open.
4. Be confident - the world is with us now.
5. Stop worrying about the Pakistan army movement.
6. Be ready to stop the water.
7. Never think of peace talks unless the Mumbai attack is answered by Pakistan.
8. Never trust the crocodile tears of Pakistan.
9. Be aware that Pakistan is blind in front of Islam.
Zak
NY, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
63
faruki

you ass hole.

even when you admit the faults of islam, you have to have a dig at the followeers of hindutwa.

i wish the followers were as dedicated and powerful as you imagine. we would have settled
the hash of people like you long ago,

i suppose when you make a critique of islam in usa, you have to have a dig at americans,zionists
etc.

go and live in pakistan.

as a non preacticeing hindu i refute all the nonsense you come out against hindus.

full of malice and lies.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
62
pradip

i am sure that liveing in britain you must be convinced you that regardless of everything, the
britts are balanced and rational people.

the same goes for most westerners.

i am absolutely convinced that muslims because
of their total obsession with religion are unable to reason.their behaviour in most countries prove this to be true. forget the professionals and the elite-they are different

many pakistanis are off balance, irrational and
live in world of religious delusions. killings
of opponents goes round the clock.

i have talked to some senior police men, and they
all said, that a lot of trouble starts after
friday prayers.

muslims even though liveing in a fairly liberal
country behave like idiots and mad men when provoked. usually someting to do with their foul religion.

so i believe that its most likely that there are any number of violent and fanatic groups who would attack any target pointed out to them
by their handlers.

its like they were trained rottweilers or
german shepherd dogs- willing to attack any one
pointed out to them by their master.

ignore faruki

his talk of 60,000 shakhas meeting every day ,
spreading hate shows that he is beyond help.

its true however of many muslims, who bend and bow, mumbling passages from the koran 5 times
a day.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
61

http://www.hindu.com/20...es/2008120354710800.htm


This is basically not a bad article. But who cares about Indo Pak relationship at present. That can not be the overriding factor in our approach when there is already an undeclared war. Our focus has to be on internal security at whatever cost, not maintaining 'good' relations with Pakistan.

We can not go on rehearsing the same old arguments but not actually doing very much.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
60
Pradip,

>> More liely it is a deliberate ploy by the overground sympathizers of the jihadis to divert focus from the real issue of the global meance of jihadi fascism.

You would rather listen to those Pakistani fantics spewing crazy explanations of the Mumbai attacks than to voices of reason!

>> A bit like comparing RSS with Madarsas.

Teaching of hate in 60,000 RSS shakhas in 50,000 daily gatherings is nothing to be sneezed at. If you want to know what they teach in those shakhas, just read the posts in this forum written by those who have attended them.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
59
>>>"The pattern is all too familiar. Every time India and Pakistan head towards dialogue and detente, something explosive happens that pushes peace to the backburner and drags them back to the familiar old tense relationship, worsened by sabre-rattling war cries from both sides."


To be charitable, the above analysis treating India and Pakistan on par (both are aweful kind of thing, when the whole world knows the truth that Pakistan is exporting terror everywhere) may be just naiive and simplistic.

More liely it is a deliberate ploy by the overground sympathizers of the jihadis to divert focus from the real issue of the global meance of jihadi fascism. A bit like comparing RSS with Madarsas or the 'Hindu terrorists' with these animals who went on a rampage in Mumbai in the name of their religion.

A little honesty in our approach will not be such a bad thing.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
58
>>>> "What makes such terror-driven self-styled Islamist groups thrive in Pakistan?"
>> What makes a snake poisonous? It is called nature.

Maybe! But it may not be the complete answer.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
57
"What the government has said and done so far has been measured and correct. It has been mindful of the responsibility and restraint with which the world expects India to conduct itself. And it has reflected the reality that Pakistan today is a country and polity and society that is more at war with itself than with any other adversary, real or imagined. And yet, with elections around the corner and the ruling Congress party under attack for its inept management of internal security, the danger of politically-induced overreach always remains."

Sober and sagacious editorial in "The Hindu".


http://www.hindu.com/20...es/2008120354710800.htm

Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
56
"What makes such terror-driven self-styled Islamist groups thrive in Pakistan?"

What makes a snake poisonous? It is called nature.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
55
"...there can be no doubt that radical Islamism, like radical Hindutva, poses a major threat to peace and security in both India and Pakistan. What makes such terror-driven self-styled Islamist groups thrive in Pakistan?"


http://www.countercurrents.org/sikand011208.htm

Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
54
Naivette on display! And where else? In the Hindu paper


http://www.hindu.com/20...es/2008120354710800.htm


These guys are more concerned with Pakistan than about India.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
53
"The pattern is all too familiar. Every time India and Pakistan head towards dialogue and detente, something explosive happens that pushes peace to the backburner and drags them back to the familiar old tense relationship, worsened by sabre-rattling war cries from both sides."


http://www.countercurrents.org/sarwar011208.htm

Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
52
I was proved wrong, no backlash against Muslims:

Abbas Tyrewala

By Subhash K. Jha, IANS,

Mumbai : Filmmaker Abbas Tyrewala says that as an Indian Muslim, he was scared of a backlash against the community in the aftermath of the terror strikes in Mumbai, but is glad that he was proven wrong.

"Frankly, considering the immensity of the attack this time, I as an Indian Muslim felt scared. I thought there would be a backlash. But call it the power of unity during crisis, not one voice of dissent against the Indian Muslim was heard in the entire city. Not once have I felt accusing eyes looking at me," Abbas told IANS.

The writer-director, whose "Jaane Tu...Ya Jaane Na" was a huge hit, feels it is important for Indians to delineate Islam from terrorism.

"And the latest attack on Mumbai has clearly brought out the difference, clearly shown us that the right-thinking Indian Muslim is not a terrorist. That Hindu or Muslim, we're all united in the fight against terrorism," said Abbas, who has been married to a Hindu for two years.

"My family and I have lived in Mumbai for years. My father has never hurt a fly. Neither do I think have I. At this time, when Mumbai has gone through its worst attack ever, it was very important for me to feel a sense of absolute identification with the mainstream. Otherwise can you imagine how much they'd have celebrated in Pakistan if communal riots had broken out in our country after 26/11? Thank God, we didn't give them the pleasure of celebrating from now till the New Year," he said.

Abbas feels it's time Pakistan came clean about its alleged terror links.

He said: "Let them come out in the open and say they've nothing to do with these people who infiltrate our peace and then leave these terrorists to be dealt with by us. Or otherwise let Pakistan deal with its own terrorism and let's deal with our own. But please let's stop pretending about where these attacks are originating."
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
51
One must also investigate why Times Of india with Dileep Padgaonkar was not the target of the attack...
Rajendra Chaudhary
Indore, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
50
Mr AAM DESI

So your suggestion is that we should commit collective suicide.

Which side are you on?
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
49
This report in Times of India should convince everyone now that the entire attack was stagemanaged by the Hindu terrorists. Here is the ultimate proof.


http://timesofindia.ind...articleshow/3785654.cms

Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
48
pradip singh

these people are incapable of rational thinking.

their religion does not permit it.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
47
tHIS IS MAHABHARATA ...WE ONLY HAVE SHIKHANDIES AND TAITORS IN THE FORM OF MANMOHAN SONIA LALU MULAYAM KARAT ADWANI
VAJPAYEE THAKREYS AMARS RAJDEEPS MEHTAS BARKHAS DIPANKARS ARUNDHATIS ET AL ...BUT EVENTUALLY BHARAT WILL RISE AGAIN ..BHARAT WILL WIN THE WAR FOR HUMANITY ...AND DHARMA
Rajendra Chaudhary
Indore, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
46
Option is not much can be done about. No Political will for our Netas. Netas sab chor hain. Black Cat commandoes are used for their protectsion of Netas only, like almost watchmen or Goorkha. Netas have no respect for army or commandoes. Mumbai Pulice is using 303 Lee Enfiled rifle that was used in first world war. NSG ke bulletproof vest totally defect. Becharon kya kar sakte? Humara Air-force totally weak. Mig aircraft is useless junk. Airforce mein over 500 pilot want to resign and go for better job. They only allowing 200 to resign every year. Army in kashmir totally tired. How long can they do job like this. So lot of nonsense, rape etc over local people is going on. Who is to ask?
Kashmir ke log want azadi. They don't like and want to be indian. how long can we force them? nowadays if in any home bahu does not like, she leaves giving divorse. India cannot force kashmiri to be with us. He dont like us desis, so just let kashmir go free. kashmir is not ours. Agar kashmir hamara hain, the why is delhi negotiating over with pakistan? Netas sab jhut bol rahe hain.
we need peace with pakistan over kashmir. 60 years, so many wars. no use wasting our jawans over kashmir. kashmir will get freedom and all will have peace. Ram Ram bolo
Aam Desi
Mumbai, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
45
Thanks for the link


http://www.hotklix.com/?ref=content/152704


This should be an eye opener even for the most die hard secular.

If this is the mainstream view in Pakistan as appears to be the case, then all talk about joint Indo Pak action is just a diversion to protect the jihadi murderers.

This is truly aweful. Pakistan appears to be a sick country.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
44
There are two aspects to the response. The first and foremost is accepting the problems in India's security system and political system. We need to have a more federal intelligence gathering and sharing that takes states into account. This must include satellite, coastal, border checking that is shared between central and states with regular checks on the standards. This must be beyond a political party (similar to army) and must go through routine checks to verify that the quality is upto international standards. Regardless of our neighbors, we need this, it has nothing to do with region, religion etc. As was shown in this attack, the Indians had nothing to do with this, it came from outside.

The second is how to deal with Pakistan. We obviously cannot go on a war with them, as their govt had nothing to with this. It is their powerful army, ISI etc. The bigger problem is Saudi Arabia that funds all their madrassas, camps etc. The one big solution is to put pressure on them using IMF to prevent loans to them unless they cleanup their act. However, I am not sure how this can be checked. One way is to prevent other countries from giving them aid and loans and messing up their army by investing more in Indian army. This will force them to spend on their defence. In the long run, this might work as they would run out of money and be bankrupt. However, what to do in the immediate future is not easy to answer.
Prakash
San Francisco, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
43
We are all angry and frustrated. This is something which should teach us a lesson and for once we should get united. Nations perform the best when in crisis. Hope we learn from that. Actually there is history of two thousand years which tells us that we don't learn and are happy being fragmented.

Actually this is a clash of civilisations and we need to understand the threat at that level. The people who are doing this are driven by an ideology which already took away large parts of india over centuries. Mostly by violence.Pakistan, Afghanistan andBangladesh were all Hindu and were taken away by forced conversions over centuries. Muslims from outside India ended up ruling Hindus and converted large parts by state patronage.

same thing happened when Brits ruled us. We had conversions by Christians.

Now the centuries old phenomenon of Muslims trying to attack others has come back to haunt us. In the past we have caved in and they won and ended up ruling us. They tried that with christians as well but didn't suceed.

Now it is upto us. we all need to stand up and be counted. Otherwise this nation will end up as either many nations or ruled by outiders in some form or some part taken by China, some by Pakistan and rest on its own.

People are frustrated. They want some action and one can already see that happening in form of some "Hindu Blasts". This is nothing but what was portrayed in movie wednesday.

We need immediately the following:

- Develop a thought process which is startegic and considers sercurity as vital.
- All of us should take active interest in Politics. Vote and Keep pressure on the public representtaives.
- Select representatives who are going to take national interest into their mind rather than Chinese or Muslim or Pakistani interest.
- A Total overhaul of intelligence and security set up is required.
- The police force needs to be fully equipped.
- A crisis management system needs to be set which takes control of coordination between various agencies and regular drills are required so that people know whom to call and what to tell the media.
- Media shouldn't have immediate access to the Crisis area. They do more harm then good.
- Leaks from security establishment to the Media should be totally banned.
- Tough laws are required and enough judicial mecahnism is required so that people are afraid of law and not consider it as an ass.
- Develop capability to strike deep into any neighbour who is troubling us. Even have ability to strike farther.
- Be rutherless with any kind of violence by anybody.
-Stop conversions from any relegion to any relegion and stop all external funding from outside to any relegious agency.
- Check the infiltration from all sides. seal the Borders totally or as far as possible.
- Stop being goody goody, develop our own cells in neighbouring countries. there are enough peole out there who are dissatisfied.
- BREAK UP PAKISTAN INTO SOME COUNTRIES. IF THE TROUBLE MAKES DOESN'T EXIST> YOUR TROUBLE GOES AWAY.

Moot point is shall we do it? Or shall we be like the "Golden Period of India" during when Guptas ruled india from 4th to 5th century AD. We were extremely prosperuos but society degenerated and we got more intereted in entertainment, sex(the kamasutra is a product of those periods).

It is all upto uss.
vibhaas
Doha, qatar
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
42
The best and most viable option for India would be to engineer Mumbai-like attacks on Pakistan. Further, if India could help create Bangladesh, it can help create a homeland for Pakhtoons also.

Indian intelligence services should strive to be more efficient than ISI.

Is there anyone to bell the cat?

sohan
rockville, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
41

Someone mentioned the Indus Waters treaty. That is certainly an option. India should do everything possible to deny Pakistan water from those rivers. Really squeeze them. End all diplomatic ties. Boycott all Pakistani businesses, and completely stop economic relations. Ban all travel, both ways. Direct action may not be feasible, but covert operations against the ISI, military and fundamentalists should be followed. Implore other countries to break off diplomatic ties with Pakistan. Really isolate the bastards.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
40

India seems to be moving in the right direction.

Keep pressing for those 20 baddies from Pakistan; else bomb those camps with the support of USA.

India must execute them when caught. Pakistan as a civilized state (though not) must address this issue and handover those fatherless men at the earliest.

India should not become lenient in due course.

Unless/untill India gets 20 baddies,

1. India should not conduct any diplomatic/peace talks.

2. Keep warning Pakistan that India will CUT OFF all the ties, close the water dams,

3. Cancel Cricket forever......

The Pakistan Govaernment and people should not be nicely treated utill India gets its answer for the Mumbai attack.

Ban Pakistan (if not bombed) unless they respond sensibly and positively!

God's sake, don't form a committee or commission to capture those terrorists.

India doesn't have to analyse whodunnit. It's clear it's from Pakistan.

Don't agree to Pakistan's request in forming a committee or commission - that's not the way India should deal with its pain!

Terrorists are never going to agree who did it so is Pakistan.
Zak
NY, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
39
banerjee

you bongos have no stomach for a fight.

in times of trouble you go around singing sad
songs, and rely on others too protect you.

war, conflicts are not appropriates subjects for
you. you silly bums can not even stop the illegal bangladeshis from overwhelming you in your own state. you could not control the situation in singur.

conclusion- just butt out.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
38
India has no option,really. In a singular act of inept political bravado the previous NDA government exploded a nuclear device & Pakistan responded in kind. In the process India lost its option to settle by force of arms these repeated terrorist attacks from Pakistani soil once for all .
MANISH BANERJEE
KOLKATA, India
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
37
This is how paki TV talks about indian army:

http://www.hotklix.com/?ref=content/152704


No wonder khujli chacha use to talk like that...poori quom hi kamini hai...

u were right Bagai...ghani kharab jaat che...
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
36
>>And finally. Outlook should stop publishing love stories about Pakistan. Articles like how Pakis are just like us, how Pakis yearn for peace, how much they want to hear about India etc must be stopped.

Enough of those nonsense.

But I will not be surprised if Kuldip nayar and his other peacenik friends go to wagah border very soon to light some more candles for peace.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
35
Ganeshan

Thanks for link from Praful Bidawi.He is a Pakistani stooge like many .He generally writes in Dawn .

I personally visited the Oberoi and Taj.moved around .Oberoi is not damged at all.May be some damages inside.Taj one or two rooms outer surface blackned.There is no other damage on the outer portion of Taj.

Damage must be inside the Hotels .Do you remember the hue and heart rendering cries ,shril voices from Bharkhas,Arnabs,Srinivasans and other TV media persons ??

Security Forces were rightly complaining that the Live Coverage was badly compromising the Operations.

And our Siv Raj Patil the boss of anti terror operations did declare that Commandoes will attack terrorists at 02,00 hrs .

I don't know why Pakistan is having ISI wing for India when they get the latest information .

a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
34
Zak:>>"If Karuna Nidhi becomes the PM"

The entire central cabinet will then consist only of the sons, dtrs, nephews etc., legitimate or otherwise, of his own polygamous self and his bigamous family-friends in his party!.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
33
Shapra:>>"* A powerful anti-terrorist org that exercises All-India jurisdiction without needing the go-ahead from stupid state governments".

Right, even the babri downfall would have been prevented, leaving it to inter-communal discussions, if the central forces did not have to stay away, in waiting for the call-in by state govt forces.

But, that is not enough. In the USA, there is provision that the president can take over the control of the entire security forces of any state, when situation so demands. It was this provision which silenced the kuklux clan, after martin luther king. Otherwise, Obama could not have even become a senator!.

With vile tamil MKs and maratha patils around, indian federalism can be seedbed for the balkanizn of india. The bjp should amend constitution if it comes to power with over two-thirds majority.

But then, Advani turns soft on such matters once in power. He did not get jammu and ladhak made into non-370 indian states, when he got power as home minister last time. Modi as HM will be essential to get really proper things done.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
32
What are India's Options?
* Elect a strong, single party government that doesnt depend on the Left or the Loonies (*DMK, RJD, Caste-based parties, language-based parties).
* A powerful anti-terrorist org that exercises All-India jurisdiction without needing the go-ahead from stupid state governments.
* A national movement to instill pride in our Ancient civilization, our modern nation-state. Let the pledge begin with simple things - Dont spit in public, dont litter, dont avoid sales tax, dont avoid bus tickets. It may be harder to survive not paying the police or the Babus to get things done. But we ought to start somewhere.
* Treat this land as your holy motherland, be grateful that you are allowed to tread on its holy soil. Dont defile it.
shapra
Santa Clara, USA
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
31

Make MK (M Karuna Nidhi) the PM
-------------------------------

The information collected and passed on to the Police is true. However, R&AW must also have double-checked if those information were addressed as intended. If not, the R&AW team are responsible to update the same back to the Home Ministry. Sadly, the information was as dead as the TSUNAMI warning, after collected and passed on to the police. The Deshmukh crew was busy catching fishes in Kerala. Shivraj Patil was busy worshiping Madamme Sonia photos in his Puja room changing clothes for three times.

Now the Tamil speaking PC will dial the Tamil tigers and request them to inform those terrorists not to attack India during his home ministry tenure.

Mark my words, India will not have any terror attacks for another 6 months - if not at least till the parliament elections, if PC continues.

The reason for this confidence is: all the terrorists buy weapons from the same smuggler. LTTE will inform LeT not to attack India as his man is in the chair.

If Karuna Nidhi becomes the PM, India will be safe as long as he's in the PM chair. Mark my words!

The fact remains, the entire Security system has collectively failed. These are the reasons why, the heads were axed.

Period!
Zak
NY, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
30
"how can one consider these people as decent neighbours- or civilised humans- or just people with normal intelligence."

I have never considered Pakistanis to be decent or civilized.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
29
ganesan

i listened to a utube tv programme from pakistan tv.

all 3 participants claimed that the mumbai massacre like the wtc bombing was a frame up.

this is the way many paki muslims think.

how can one consider these people as decent neighbours- or civilised humans- or just people with normal intelligence.

what ever happens lets drop any idea of friendship with them.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
28
ganesan

i am surprised

was the information sent my email, fax, land mail
or by pidgeon.

if raw has sent it by any of the first three
methods then they must have records.

email records provide reliable proof, which the police can not deny.

has raw no office in mumbai.?

this is truly farsical,and why has no mp or
any one else raised this question.

how about tv channels. how about vinod mehta.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
27
Vir Sanghvi surprises me


http://www.hindustantim...could+have+been+stopped


This is rather a surprising piece from a Congress newspaper. And we should give credit where it is due.

If Manmohan Singh and Sonia really meant what they said about fighting terror, they must order NSA Narayanan to explain the charges in the article by Vir Sanghvi. Why the information was not processed? Who is responsible?

But then realistically speaking, I doubt Manmohan even cares. It is a 1 in 100 chance that he actually called the NSA and asked them to explain why the intelligence was not acted upon.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
26
I see lot of people outside Bharat writing all about War, yudhh, bombing etc. you all hypocrit. The moment you people left our Bharat for USA or Canada or UK you are no longer Desi. You are having good lives in foreign and just writing here like heroes, talking nonsense. The moment you got visa and left, you people are no longer Indian. You writing like fools talking about Nuclear war. It will be end of mankind. Stop writing rubbish and so much hatred
Aam Desi
Mumbai, India
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
25
Hamara option is Gandhian way, most powerful way, Ahimsa. Eve British kuch nahin kar sakte. Utna powerful hain
Meanwhile America sending Condeleeza Rice to Delhi. Conde coming for giving Condolence and eating Rice and going back. American log doing wink-wink to Pakistan and they do wink-wink to Americans. Manmohan doing wink-wink to Conde. Thats all. Kuch nahi hoga.
Manmohan Sahib achha aadmi hain but kuch nahin kar sakte. Better for peace talk with Pakistan. Kashmir ko de do. Jammu aur Ladakh hamara pas rahna. Sab kuch theek hoga. Yeh war ki baath, ladna no use.
Aam Desi
Mumbai, India
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
24
Oh you toothless ass...damn the Pakistanis...what can a normal pakistani do against the carnal desires of those in power?

Expecting Pakistani support to stop terrorism is like hoping that a serial rapist stops his heinous crimes just because his mother is a pious lady.

Pakistanis are as powerless against the ISI and other Terrorists in Pakistan as we are...Only option is to defeat them by force...to eradicate terrorism we have to kill them...we cannot wait for an ideological change to happen because its not going to happen.

We have waited enough...we need to use the option of active strikes within Pakistan..and train our squads

If it takes bombing them back to stone age then so be it...US did this to Iraq and Afganistan..and so can we..infact so must we!

And please dont be all Gandhivadi now..we know it doesnot work against a stateless actor..it worked for British becase they had an 'image' to cater to in the international scenario and had pressures of WWII on them..these terrorists have nothing..so this 'peaceful solution' crap will not work..you know it and all of us know it..

Now is the time to really use the power if we have it...
Rhapsodizer
India, India
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
23
If it is proven that elements in Pakistan are behind the attacks, India must use its full military might and invade such camps in PoK. Only at such a juncture, when international opinion is against it can Pakistan not afford to retaliate with equal force.

Another point to note is that - when an Indira Gandhi is killed, Sikhs are murdered by the hundreds. When a Rajiv Gandhi is killed, LTTE is wiped out of Tamil Nadu and banned as an organisation. When there is an attack on the parliament (again, an attack on politicians), we almost go to war with Pakistan.

But, when the common man is hit, nothing happens. Are the lives of politicians worth more than that of the common man?

Since the assasination of Rajiv Gandhi, no other prominent politician of such stature had been assasinated because adequate security arrangements were made and the perpetrators caught and brought to justice.

Similarly, when the common man is attacked, India must launch attacks across the border and wipe out terrorists similar to what the USA has done. That the war started by the USA was extended to Iraq and became unpopular is a different matter. The point is that there has been no attack on American soil since 9/11. We must follow the Americans in this aspect.

Sonia Gandhi and her ilk need to be portrayed as public servants who breeze through city roads with Z class security while providing none for the common man. To portray such people as "leaders" who sacrifice everything for the people is a folly.
Ashwin
Jersey City, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
22
Invariably, violence around the world is intimately linked to the lack of genuine and free methods of redressal of grievances of the population.

I DREAM of a day of ZERO TOLERANCE :

1. ZERO TOLERANCE to CORRUPTION
2. ZERO TOLERANCE to COMMUNAL politics
3. ZERO TOLERANCE to FAKE ENCOUNTERS by policemen in J&K, BAD JUDGES AND PROVOCATION of violence by them
4. ZERO TOLERANCE to MISANDRY, and feminist presidents
5. ZERO TOLERANCE to RELIGIOUS BRAINWASHING of young children
Parthasarathy reborn
Chennai, India
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
21
This is for fun. Praful Bidwai writing about the wonderful opportunities for peace with Pakistan and advising Manmohan Singh to resist pressure from the right wing groups.

THis is written in 2006 after the blasts


http://antiwar.com/bidwai/?articleid=9394


Manmohan Singh indeed resited the pressure and we had a great many peace talks. And a great many articles in Outlook about how Pakis are just like us.

See where that has landed us.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
20
>> All the govts, especially heads like Vajpayee and Manmohan SIngh, were too enaumored with "making peace" and get the title of peace makers that they have repeatedly said " A united and prosperous Pakistan is in India's interest".

This is correct, and this stupidity has been going on even before Vajpayee. In the NDTV link posted on these pages, someone (think it was Bharat Karnad) made a point that it was Gujral who directed RAW to completely stop any subservise activity in Pak, and over time, RAW has lost basic ground level intelligence in Pak.

Don't know how true this is, and it might be a trick to pass on the blame for the inadequacy of RAW on political leadership. However, Gujral was one of the original Urdu poetry speaking, candle light wallahs, who believed in nonsense of Pakis being like us, etc. It is possible that at least some of the current problems are due to the incapacitation caused to our intelligence agencies from all these peace processes.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
19
From Bostom's excellent article....

[Contemporary validation of the central principle of jihad terrorism -- rooted in the Koran -- (for example, verses 8:12, 8:60, and 33:26), i.e., to terrorize the enemies of the Muslims as a prelude to their conquest, has been provided in the mainstream Pakistani text on jihad warfare by Brigadier S.K. Malik, originally published in Lahore, in 1979.

Malik's treatise was endorsed in a laudatory Foreword to the book by his patron, then Pakistani President Zia-ul-Haq, as well as a more extended Preface by Allah Buksh K. Brohi, a former Advocate-General of Pakistan. This text -- widely studied in Islamic countries, and available in English, Urdu, and Arabic -- has been recovered from the bodies of slain jihadists in Kashmir. Brigadier Malik emphasizes how instilling terror is essential to waging successful jihad campaigns:

"Terror struck into the hearts of the enemies is not only a means, it is the end in itself. Once a condition of terror into the opponent's heart is obtained, hardly anything is left to be achieved. It is the point where the means and the end meet and merge. Terror is not a means of imposing decision upon the enemy (sic); it is the decision we wish to impose upon him...

"Jihad," the Koranic concept of total strategy...[d]emands the preparation and application of total national power and military instrument is one of its elements. As a component of the total strategy, the military strategy aims at striking terror into the hearts of the enemy from the preparatory stage of war...Under ideal conditions, Jihad can produce a direct decision and force its will upon the enemy. Where that does not happen, military strategy should take over and aim at producing the decision from the military stage. Should that chance be missed, terror should be struck into the enemy during the actual fighting"....]
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
18
Ganesan:>>"We must support the Balochis, we must support the discontented elements in the Sindh region"

Your approach is appropriate. We should offer both afghanisthan [aapa-gaana-sthaana] and baluchisthan [vara-ruci-sthaana] the option of becoming associate states of the indian federation, offering them defence-assurance and development assistance and a free market for their products. If this happens, sindh and punjab states of pak may also opt into the indian federation, along with sreelanka and nepal, even bangla-desh. The talibans can then be confined to the NWF-pak and the ancient gaanhaara-khandahaar of duryodhan, now incarnated as osama-bin-laden. They should then be decimated mercilessly, debilitating their drug trades.

Before all this, pak govt should show that it is really the sovereingn power over pak, not the ISI. Otherwise, the USA and india should jointly operate to see that the pak-nukes are netralized, the ISI disbanded and L-o-T, Simi, etc. in the whole subcontinent, should be systematically eliminated, not just banned, to reorganize with a different name. The only good jihaadi will be the dead jihadi, in india or pak or in brittain or the USA. Evil kills those who compromise with it.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
17

Next Attack:

Imagine, a cricketer-Terrorist in the Pakistan XI travelling to India!
Zak
NY, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
16

Pakistan can never become a civilian and civilized state in life time.

The damage has already been done. The best thing for them to be happy is to avoid terrorism.

With the current trend, Pakistan will become another Irag or Afghanistan. The best can leave for UK, Canada, USA, Australia or Europe.

Once the Americans bomb a land, the land takes ages to be normal.

India has a heavy task to fix. It's difficult for New Delhi to sleep peacefully.

An armed rogue living next to you with bad temperament will certainly make you sleepless.

Pakistan, the next Africa in the making.
Zak
NY, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
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This attack has occured while peace talks were going on with Pakistan. So I don't know what we will achieve by cooperating with the failed state of Pakistan.

India should provide a list of individuals that must be turned over (inlcudes Dawood Ibrahim and other terrorists) and give a short time limit.

If Pakistan govt cannot fulfill that demand then we should start sending troops into Pakistan just as US keeps attacking terrorists in Pakistan without waiting for govt approval.

One strange thing I notice is that CNN and other western media keep doing intense propaganda for Pakistan for their ulterior motives..there is this chap by name Haqquani who is running around and acting as of Pakistan is a victim. Where are our diplomats to counter this? are they sleeping?
Venkat Thiagarajan
New Jersey, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
14

The Strategic Option for India to weaken Pakistan is to support all those seperatists in Pakistan and let them fight among themselves as they do between Shia and Sunny.

India should split Pakistan like how Sri Lanka split LTTE.

Never let Pakistan be united. The more divided Pakistan; the safer India.

It's sad to hope so but that's how it works.

Help seperate a Taliban land, Baluchistan or Punjab from Pakistan.

Let a part of Afghanistan be occupied by Indian forces and a part of Pakistan by Talibans.

A politically unrest Pakistan is an ideal neighbhour for India.

Now, we all know why the ISI chief was not sent to Pakistan as there could be a COUP again.

India must always support any eithical coup by the ISI/Army in Pakistan.

India is in a flux; it must fix the terror as below:

1. Strategically be part of the global intelligence services.
2. Tactically keep all the security forces diversed and decentralized.
3. Politically remove all red-tapism.
4. Technically be updated, anticipating, and alert.
5. Constitutionally clear the religous havoc created by the politicians.
Zak
NY, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
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And finally. Outlook should stop publishing love stories about Pakistan. Articles like how Pakis are just like us, how Pakis yearn for peace, how much they want to hear about India etc must be stopped.

Enough of those nonsense.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
12
If India has incontrovertible evidence of elements from Pakistan involved in the attacek (i guess we have some already); the country should use all its diplomatic/military might to go and bomb the terror bases from the face of the earth. Why should we toe US's line, just because they want it that way? Did they not invade Iraq on just false evidence? Its so apparent that the civilian govt. in Pakistan is not even worth a hoot! And the advise by the world policeman is that we should work with the civilian govt ...to what effect? All citizens of India will stand behind the govt. in this effort.


k
Chennai, India
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
11
There must be a concerted effort to make Pakistan an economic basket case. The main reason why Ronald Reagan was able to win the cold war while his predecessors could not was because only Reagan made a concerted effort to weaken the Russian economically. The Russians had placed great store on the oil pipleline and the previous govts had approved it.

Ronald Reagan refused to allow US technology to be used. And he delayed the project so much that by the time the Russians built the pipeline, it was virtually useless. They lost plenty of money.

And we?? We are discussing with Iran about the gas pipeline running thro' Pak!!!

Pakistan must be broken economically. It wont happen overnight but it is a very achievable goal in a two-three year period.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
10
ganesan

good idea.

lets give pakis the medicine they have given us so far. make friends with iran and that should be used to detach baluchistan from them.

help afghanistan to detach nwfp , to form a
tribal, taliban nation.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
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There is only one realistic option-and that is to help all the discontented forces in Pakistan and break Pakistan over a ten year period.

All the govts, especially heads like Vajpayee and Manmohan SIngh, were too enaumored with "making peace" and get the title of peace makers that they have repeatedly said " A united and prosperous Pakistan is in India's interest".

It is time to realize the truth. A prosperous and a united Pakistan is NOT in India's interest. We must support the Balochis, we must support the discontented elements in the Singh region and make Pakistan poor economically as well militarily. There should not be one day of peace in Pakistan. They must be busy fighting themselves. That is the way to secure India.

And that is a long term project requiring atleast five years requiring total commitment and unwavering attitude.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
8

If the Governent of India is keeping quiet with the "Rich gets richer; poor gets poorer" growth, then these kinda attackes at the rich will push India to the state of "Rich also becomes poor (by the terror act); the poor still remains poorer (by the government act)".

Eventually, India will be a state of poor population, once again.

History of poverty doesn't have to repeat itself, while we've these kinda politicians.
Zak
NY, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
7

India must fix this issue radically.

Show the people the meaning of being educated, employed, suceesful, married, parented, grand parents, and the economic benefits by following the government protocols.

People in India have not tasted the benefits of each government. People' problems are not addressed on a timely basis.

The problems among people lead them to the politicians. Politicians in turn cajole and conjure them, win the election, and make his money all the way to Swizz bank.

As long as the political system in India changes, India will be tested by anger and anguish, even if it's minor.

I'm sure the attack on an elite city like Mumbai would have made many an Indian in rural India to be as sadistically happy as the enemies.

I don't think a rural, poor Indian will feel bad about the Mumbai attack as he has his life-long issues left in the dark.

Indians in cities and towns may feel bad about the Mumbai attack but not the backbone of India, called villages and taluks as they have a million of their own worries to be worried about.

The Mumbai attack has superceded or overshadowed the age-old/life-long problems casually ignored in the Indian villages.

I don't know how many rapes and murder went unnoticed in these 7 days of the Mumbai attack coverage.

Saddistically speaking, looking at the poor left out villages - the imbalance partial growth in cities will be balanced by these kinda terror attacks - in the name of "Law of Nature".

When poverty eats you up, patriotism dies long before you die....
Zak
NY, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
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My fellow citizens are responding in anger to the Mumbai terror attacks. Anger is not a constructive emotion. Let us use our intelligence in this moment of crisis.
Here are 5 practical suggestions:
1) Let our Government make a dossier of all the evidence that seems to incriminate Pakistan and take it personally to the capital of each and every country in the world and present it to the Head of State. Let the Government also get this translated into every possible language and send it to every newspaper, every periodical, and every television and radio station of the world.
2) Let our Government lodge a formal case against Pakistan in the International Court of Justice at The Hague and let us get our most brilliant lawyers to fight the case.
3) Let our Government put pressure on United Nations to impose trade sanctions on Pakistan, just as they did against Zimbabwe.
4) Let us ask our Bollywood stars, who have a huge fan following in Pakistan to take our case to the common man in Pakistan and shame them.

Shed anger. Act intelligently.
K.Sahasranaman
Mumbai, India
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
5
I agree with virtually everything ZAK says.

The Indian state needs to be firm and fair as Tony Blair was in UK in his dealings with Jihadi terror in UK.

-You practise your religion with total freedom.

-You follow the law of the land (same for every one) like everyone else.

-BUT LEAVE THE COUNTRY IF YOU EXPLOIT THE FRREDOM TO AID AND ABET WAR AGAINST THE NATION.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
4

The best thing India can do is:

# Remove CASTES and RELIGIONS from the offical records across India.

Let's observe this policy for a 5-year term and quanfity the good and bad of being non-religious/caste-centric nation.

I believe it'd certainly take India to a new height if politicians keep quiet on this new policy.

Policticians can leave Castes and Religions from the political campaign and concentrate on developmental aspects as their political agendas.

Follow these two, India will be lot quieter and peaceful.

Be it BJP bringing up hindutva or Lalu batting for Muslims or Maya or Karuna vouching for dalits - India must get rid of these castes and religions and provide equal oppourtunities to every single Indian.
Zak
NY, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
3
ZAK, I endorse what you have to say.
sandy
Mumbai, India
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
2

Even in the oldest democracy like USA, religions never surface in public life.

People can build churches, mosques, and temples in USA. However, it should be legally approved by the Federal government.

You do see some veiled Muslim women and Fezed and bearded Muslim guys. However, the religious persuasion in USA is not as bad and ugly as in India and Pakistan as it's supported by politicians.

India should follow a passive pan-Indian attitude of denouncing religions that divide lives.

Religions were documented for the sake turning a barabrian to a civilized state. Now, it looks like it's in a reversal mode.

No religions/gods are good if they kill lives.
Zak
NY, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
1


India can do the following, if they don't want to be involved in war.

1. Consult All State heads.
2. Consult All Muslim heads.
3. Plan A - Live in India as Indians and behave as per Indian laws.
4. Plan B - Live outside India as you like. No Ties with India afterwards.
5. Demark a part of Kashmir and gift it to them.
6. Let India retain Ladhak and Jammu.
7. Not even a single Muslim must live in India after the Indian partition.
8. Sharuk Khan, Aamir Khan, Salman Khan, Zaheer Khan, Ifaan Pathan, Shabna Azmi, Mohd Kaif, Javed Aktar, Sail Ali Khan, A R Rehman, Abdul Kalam, Mhd Azhar, and other fellow Muslims must leave the country with immediate effect.

Are they ready for the deal?

The Bottome Line: Either live like Indians in India or leave India.

Isn't it fair?
Zak
NY, United States