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By mid-September, Indian agencies knew that the attack would come from the sea, by mid-November, they knew that the Taj hotel would be targeted... And yet... and yet... A blow by blow account of how the plan to attack Mumbai by sea was hatched and executed
In mid-September this year, the CIA station chief in Delhi sought an urgent meeting with his counterpart in R&AW to pass on some critical inputs. This was part of an understanding that Indian and American intelligence had institutionalised in the aftermath of 9/11. From its assets in Pakistan and Afghanistan, American intelligence had come to learn that the Lashkar-e-Toiba was planning to launch a major terrorist attack in Mumbai, which would be carried out from the sea.

This input was in conjunction with other inputs that Indian intelligence had received from various other sources.  For instance, Riyasuddin, the son of Maulana Nasiruddin, who was under arrest for his alleged involvement in the assassination of the then Gujarat home minister Naren Pandya, had stated in his statements to the police that a sea-borne attack was being planned by certain terrorist groups abroad for an attack on Mumbai.

Similarly other vague inputs had also come in from Uttar Pradesh as well as other sources. But by September 24, Indian intelligence picked up several specific inputs. These were:
  • An LeT module was being trained in a camp around Karachi for launching attacks from the sea for at least three months
  • Yusuf Muzammil, the chief of operations of the LeT was in contact with an LeT operative stationed in Bangladesh (identified as "Yayah") who was being asked to procure international SIM cards for an operation that had been planned
  • Information was also available that the team had been trained by Zakir-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, also known as "Chacha" an ageing ideologue who conducted most of the LeT's training modules.
By the middle of November, as Indian intelligence continued to check out further inputs, the pieces of an intricate jigsaw puzzle began to fall into place. Sources say they learnt that the attack would come from the sea and that the Taj Hotel would be a major target. However, it was not known whether this attack would be carried out by planting bombs in the hotel or by terrorists carrying small arms. Indian intelligence assessments were tilting towards bombs being planted and security at the hotel was beefed up accordingly to prevent terrorists from planting bombs inside the premises.

On November 18, R&AW passed on a specific advisory to the Coast Guard, which serves as the Lead intelligence Agency for the coastal area. The advisory asked the coast guard to intensify patrolling and look out for a suspicious vessel, probably of Pakistani origin, which had sailed off from Karachi. While the coast guard began to patrol the area with renewed intensity, the terrorists had an entirely different plan.

According to details available with Indian intelligence and the information given by the terrorist who was picked up by the Mumbai police in an encounter near Chowpatty, the terrorists hijacked an Indian fishing boat, the Kuber, somewhere near Pakistani waters. They beheaded the majority of the boat's crew of six and only allowed one crew-member, Amarsinh Solanki, to live so that he could help them with navigating the boat to Mumbai.  The coast guard found a Global Positioning System abandoned on the fishing trawler that was drifting nearly four nautical miles off the coast of Mumbai early on Thursday, November 27 morning, several hours after the terrorist attack began. While the coast guard was looking for a Pakistani or unidentified vessel, the Kuber (registration number 2303) blended in with the thousands of registered Indian fishing vessels out at sea.

This enabled the terrorists to avoid detection and slip into Badhwar park in Cuffe Parade in Mumbai before they began their operations. Most of them got into waiting boats that had been arranged by Karachi-based underworld don Dawood Ibrahim's diesel smuggling network in Mumbai. Arms, ammunition and plastic explosives were quickly transferred to the waiting boats that took the terrorists to the Gateway of India which was the pre-arranged launching pad for the terrorist attack.

What has surprised investigators piecing together the details of the attack is that the GPS recovered from the abandoned trawler, Kuber, had two maps fed into it to aid navigation. One was a route from Karachi that was plotted quite close to the Indian coast, while a return route had also been mapped into the GPS from the Mumbai coast back to Karachi. "We think this was done to give the terrorists some semblance of hope that they would go back home after a successful raid," a top security official told Outlook. The fact that these two maps were fed into the GPS has confirmed that there was some help from people with a naval or army background, and had extensive knowledge of navigation at sea.


Arrested terrorist Azmal Amir Qasab

What security officials have also confirmed is the fact that most of the terrorists were from Punjab in Pakistan. The arrested terrorist, Azmal Amir Qasab, a resident of Chippalpura Taluka in Ukkad Zilla, Punjab, Pakistan has told his interrogators that the terrorists had trained for over two months, much of it on the Karachi coast for the naval leg.  They were trained in basic rudiments of conducting naval commando raids, given extensive biefings on the layout of South Mumbai with adequate footage for familiarity and CDs of alleged "atrocities" carried out against Muslims in India. Qasab has also given details of how two of their operatives checked into the Taj Hotel last Saturday, November 22, with a lot of equipment. The duo received several visitors with huge bags, apparently carrying RDX for the two IEDs which were defused by the Mumbai police on the night of the first attack.

Meanwhile, investigators are poring through the call data details downloaded from the satellite phone also recovered from the abandoned trawler. Many of the call details have revealed numbers that have been traced back to the LeT's chief of operations, Muzamil, as well as to Lakhvi. Interestingly, the international SIM cards recovered from the bodies of the killed terrorists correspond to the intelligence picked up earlier, when Muzamil had asked his Bangladesh operative Yayah, to procure them. He apparently also procured the fake Mauritian identity card recovered by the marine commandos.

 
Top security sources have also told Outlook that the intercepts made by the intelligence agencies while the NSG commando assault was underway clearly indicates that the terrorists were speaking to their handlers in Pakistan. Among the instructions passed on to them during the nearly 62-hour crisis were to throw grenades indiscriminately if they were in danger of being overpowered and to start fake negotiations to prolong the crisis. In fact, two such attempts at negotiations were made at Nariman Bhawan and the Oberoi-Trident hotel to stave off an impending assault, even though the terrorists had already killed the hostages.

In the days to come investigators will have to continue putting the pieces of the puzzle together to create a more comprehensive picture of the attack. Hidden among them will be key lessons on how to prevent similar attacks in the future.
 
Daily Mail
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HAVE YOUR SAY
Dec 14, 2008 12:00 AM
283
Seshadri,

>> why modernized liberal moslems like you are not vigorously working for the modernizn of educ in madarsas,

Such efforts are underway. They now have science, math, computers and even Sanskrit classes.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 14, 2008 12:00 AM
282
AP:>>"It is all a matter of education"

Right, modernized educ, not madarsa type. Question is why modernized liberal moslems like you are not vigorously working for the modernizn of educ in madarsas, all over the world, instead of saying islam will reform only at its own 'snails's pace'?. This shows that you are only an ummaist at heart, liberal only at the tip of tongue or typing finger.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
281
AP:>>"I simply pointed out the difference between the two faiths without trying to make any value judgements. I did not try to show one as being better than the other".

You are indirectly encouraging value judgements, comparison, when justifying conversions, even by incentives, vehemently. In fact, hinduism alone says, God responds to all forms of faithful worship, no change needed. 'jaata-dharme yajet param', it says, 'worship the absolute in the relig of your birth'.

>>"A true Hindu would not do that"

For a true hindu, ahimsa is paramo dharmah.
It cannot agree that buddhism and cannibalism should be treated as equally valid faiths, without value judgements. When buddha, mahaaveera appeared among hindus, they were accepted and absorbed as hindu divinities only, as amSas of vishNu and anjaneya = Siva, respectivel. But, when the kaapaalikas appeared, validating human sacrifices, Sankara invoked nrsimha for their total destruction.

Hindus do know their true religion rather well.
Please avoid teaching us on that. If possible, educate the pak/pok, al-quida jislamists, about the true islam, as the religion of peace, as given by narada from Siva to nabhi[ravan], discarding the negative interpolation violence stanzas in the 'kuraan', making it, instead, the real 'suraan' of only spiritually valid suras [= divine words].
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
280
AP:>>"stupidity, ignorance and hatefulness"

perceptions on history and prehistory, clearly based on the bible, quran, bhaagavata and devi-maahtmya, is just 'knowledge' without hate, not ignorance or stupidity.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
279
Lalit,

>> a billion people use it to find solace. and these are some of the most intolerant , ignorant....

Instead of starting your abominable hate machine again, why don't you just go to bed? Good night!

Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
278
Seshadri,

>> 'suraan' as selected edition of humanistic kuraan verses.

Only idiots would come out with such suggestions to alter the religioins of others!

>>>> AP ""bring tidings" of their faith to others".
>> Really, by torturing jews in mumbai, by distributing leaflets on krishna the rapist.

A 74 year old bigot brings in terrorism in a discussion of religion!

>> wait and watch what might happen to the likes of you.

Only juveniles indulge in such base ill-wishing!

>> Wikipedia is not wisdom-encyclopedia.

I know, but Wikipedia has far more wisdom than you, and so has Swami Agnivesh.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 11, 2008 12:00 AM
277
>>"A billion people use it to find solace."

by selective readings and recitations, perhaps.

If good-natured moulvis can come up with a 'suraan' as selected edition of humanistic kuraan verses only, these alone can be taught in madarsas. moslem kids will grow up as humans, not demons looking for infidels to kill.

UNSC should ask OIC to take necessary action for a 'humanist suraan', besides banning jislasmist organzns in pak, pok.


v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 09, 2008 12:00 AM
276
AP:>>"The birth rates of Kerala Muslims and Iranian Muslims are lower than those of Bihar Hindus".

What about the moslems in bihar, west bengal, hyderabad and elsewhere in the country in the world. Why only madarsa education for them!
why cant moslem funds for terror camps in pak be diverted to modernize madarsa educ in west bengal? why cant you address these saudi billionaires, instead of trying to educate a professor?

"It is all a matter of education....But why let facts alter your narrow-mindedness!"

Narrow-minded-ness is yours, talking of kerala and iran only, while the broad spectrum of moslem population in the world is only exponentially increasing, to your own inner satisfaction.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 09, 2008 12:00 AM
275
I do not agree with the views that BJP has suffered in state assembly election. BJP has won in MP, Chhishgarh. It increased vote share and number of seats in Delhi.Overallnumber of seats won by BJP is more than congress party if we take a summarised picture of all five states.
And so called defeat of Bhartiya Janta Party in Rajasthan is actually the victory of Merit and value based politics.
Gujjar’s agitation and their subsequent annoyance with BJP has caused the defeat of government.
BJP did not yield to pressure only to promote reservation based votes and hence the unreasonable demand was outright rejected by CM Rajasthan.
I think the great CM has sacrificed her career and post of CM only to give value to merit. Reservation for Gujjars as demanded by their leader and supported by Congress Party was absolutely unjustified, unconstitutional and could give rise to more and more demand for reservation from different castegroups.
Only Congress Party can promote such caste based politics.
In MP, Mr. Arjun Singh lost with his family and his party.
Because the benefits of providing reservation in politics is transitory and short lived.
Let us see how far congress party gets success in pleasing Gujjars or succumb to demands of Gujjars.
danendra jain
agartala, India
Dec 09, 2008 12:00 AM
274
Over the centuries the Muslims have been inbreeding, resulting in the birth of daft idiots.It is alleged that a prominent Irish politician said that the Catholics breed like rabbits & multiply like vermins. The same holds true of the Muslims.
Hriday
London, United Kingdom
Dec 09, 2008 12:00 AM
273
faruki

dr s is right.

the whole world is concerned about the over breeding in the muslim world. rabbits dont breed faster.

not just india ,europe is worried watching the
silent increase of beards and skull caps.

your talk of kerala and iran is cold comfort.
something effective needs to be done.this talk of education is meant to derail all arguments.
education in the muslim world is exceedingly slow, and even the educated ones do all sorts of crazy things.

have muslims not heard of the loop, the condom or sterilisation.maybe mullahs should give friday lectures in mosques or islamic centres
about birth control.

perhaps you could start such a programme in
your native gujerat. the sanghis will be impressed.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 09, 2008 12:00 AM
272
Seshadri,

>> islamists progenitating exponentially, to capture the whole world under an umma-caliphate.

It is all a matter of education, but for you everything is made to fit in with your hate-filled view of Muslims. The birth rates of Kerala Muslims and Iranian Muslims are lower than those of Bihar Hindus. But why let facts alter your narrow-mindedness!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 08, 2008 12:00 AM
271
Since the elections have convincingly repudiated the communal forces(so the story will go in the succular press), we can now back to sleep. What terror?? What bombay attacks??
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 08, 2008 12:00 AM
270
The only surprise was Delhi. I thought Congress would lose there. Rajastan was as expected. And BJP deserved it.

The big danger now is that terrorism will be slowly pushed to the backburner. Nothing tangible will happen.

Or may be, they will take such cosmetic steps to ensure there are no more attacks till the election. I seriously doubt there will be a long term strategy implemented.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 08, 2008 12:00 AM
269
AP to L::>>"Is this all a numbers game for you? You are really a sick guy!"

But then, islamists progenitating exponentially, to capture the whole world under an umma-caliphate, is also only a 'number game". perhaps, you agree that jislam is a sick religion.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 08, 2008 12:00 AM
268
BP:>>"I fail to see"

Right. There is a failure of insights, for you.

>>"how the jihadi attack on Bombay"

glad that you agree that it is only islamic jihad, not hindu-nazic attack.

>>"means that the Malegaon terrorists are innocent"

No terrorists can be innocent. Male-gaon [meaning 'evil village'only] terrorists are also jihadis only; terrorism has no religion, is it not? Hence, jihadis kill moslems also without any compunction, as in peshawar, for example.

>>" which is a theory the Hindunazi echo chamber is projecting these days".

as per the selectively secular imagination of krishTu-nazi hitlerites like you.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
267
Seshadri,

>>>> AP: "Muslims being accused of bombing the Mecca Mosque in Hyderabad, the Ajmer Dargah, the Samjhauta Express and the Dargah in Malegaon!"
>> Quite atrocious!

Muslim thugs are responsible for many of the bomb blasts in India. However there are serious questions about fixing responsibility of the two blasts in Malegaon and the blasts at the Ajmer Dargah, Hyderabad's Mecca Mosque and Samjhauta Express. On the other hand, Hindu extremists are known to have caused the blasts in Thane, Jalna, Purna, Nanded, Panvel, Kanpur and Tenkasi. You can close your eyes to these facts if you want to.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
266
AP:>>"Muslims being accused of bombing the Mecca Mosque in Hyderabad, the Ajmer Dargah, the Samjhauta Express and the Dargah in Malegaon!"

Quite atrocious! Moslems never killed other moslems in their total history of 1400 yrs.
Only the infidel hindus from india did all that: killed Hussain, the nabhi's grandson; the elder brothers of aurangazeb were killed only by wretched hindus; the hanging of Bhutto and killing of his dtr Benazir also only by hindus coming into pak; as also yesterday's blasts in peshawar. Anwar and fellow moslems should pray to Allah for the extermination of all hindus in the world. May His will be done!.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
265
Varun:>>"V.Seshadri sir, very nice extolling of underlying idea of Vande Mataram"

Thank you, for your kind appreciation.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
264
>>"dr s: do you know of the national song of muslims world wide.?" LALITMB.

No, really. Will be glad to know what it is.

v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
263
Lungi boy, Anwar - for a guy who tried to juxtapose Ashoka and Timur - you seem to be back to your stupid Musalmaan tricks.

what a filthy excuse for a human being.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Dec 07, 2008 12:00 AM
262
Learned/Thiagan,

>> Please read and enjoy. Forcing women to commit suicide instead murdering them.

This shows the gutter mentality that you share with LBMN. As if there is not enough inhumanity and brutality in Indian news! As if such inhumanity and brutality should make us glad! Did you learn such low antics from a shakha?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
261
faruki

hindutwas terrorism is like common cold.

muslim terrorism is in another league.
every time travelling abroad we have to spend time and money to safe gaurd our secureity.

thousands of people are killed world wide every year. just check this out with fellow americans.

it can not be that the whole world is wrong about islam and muslims.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
260
Seshadri,

>> Glad that you admit that all those who call hindus, jews etc., as possible terrorists are always only 'psychos'.

Can you read? Do you understand English? It seems that besides being a psycho, you are also an ignoramus.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
259
Seshadri,

>>>> AP: "Muslims in India, and even in Pakistan, have vociferously denounced the Mumbai attack"
>> pretentiously, after conspiring, financing, training and encouraging it all to happen!.

You shall for ever remain a malicious liar!

>>>> "It is sanghis like you who do not condemn Hindutva terrorism"
>> Hindutva terrorism exists only in your malevolent imagination.

Further confirmation of your being a confirmed liar and a lunatic.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
258
Seshadri,

>>>> AP "praises of several gods and goddesses may not go well with someone who believes there is only one God"
>> Right. It takes a lot of spiritiual maturity, which only the ancient ageless religion of hinduism can have, to see a variety of gods and goddesses and mother earth and mother india also as only different aspects of the one and only Absolute Power of the cosmos.

I simply pointed out the difference between the two faiths without trying to make any value judgements. I did not try to show one as being better than the other. But for a confirmed chauvinist like you, everything becomes an occasion to show the religion of others as bad and your own religion as more mature. A true Hindu would not do that. How come you remain so immature and so stupid at the age of 74?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
257
Seshadri,

>>>> S-bhai to AP:>>"What a preposterous situation where we have to be preached by a jihadi sympathizer like you on secularism".
>> Very aptly put.

Would either you or Stopperbhai be kind enough to tell me what I have said that qualifies me as a "Jihadi sympathizer"? Both of you on the other hand have been outspoken and unashamed apologists of Hindutva terrorists? I have pointed out on several occasions that both of you are liars.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
256
Seshadri,

>>>> Muslims never talks ill about anybody else religion".
>> Yes. They consier the infidels below recognition or discussion.

People on both sides have talked about kafirs and melehchas in the past, but what is important now is what you say and what VC says and what I say and what others say in this forum. If you keep on talking ill of other religions showing your ignorance and malice, you have no right to give that reply to VC.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 06, 2008 12:00 AM
255
Seshadri,

>> Palestine in the middle-east is equally illegal, bec the asurabeeja adamogenics arrived by noah's arc during biblical floods from the antaarctica.

What a combination of stupidity, ignorance and hatefulness! There is no asurabeeja worse than Seshadri!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
254
varun

now i wait for faruki,s response,

i am not surprised- muslims did dont shed a tear
for genocide in bd, and darfur.

crazy critters.

religion is for them just observing the rituals of islam- morals are not important.

in most other religions ethics get more importance.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
253
It's safe to say that there are Moslems in India/Indian Moslems who are genuinely condemning this outrageous attack. And perhaps a few who are not sincere.
But what seems to be missing is any global Moslem consternation and condemnation of the Mumbai massacre, apart of course from official reactions. Which only leads one to repeat what was said here about 2 years ago: an enormous number of Moslems silently support or condone this slaughter, and condemn attacks against the US and UK only because they fear savage reprisals from the West. That same fear doesn't exist vis-a-vis India, at the least not to anywhere near the same degree. Moslems are not principled or intellectually honest.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
252
V.Seshadri sir, very nice extolling of underlying idea of Vande Mataram. What a contrast between your deep-seated expression of the Indian soul, and the soulless rants of Vivek Chatterjee, Vine Sivan, Subroto someone or other, and Rashmi from Bangalore.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
251
AP:>>"There will always be some psychos"

Glad that you admit that all those who call hindus, jews etc., as possible terrorists are always only 'psychos'; that includes you also.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
250
AP:>>Muslims in India, and even in Pakistan, have vociferously denounced the Mumbai attack"

pretentiously, after conspiring, financing, training and encouraging it all to happen!. Allah will destroy you all, for this. Already happening in Peshawar, elsewhere in pak. Allah will bless only good and honest moslems, not crooked jislamists.

>>"It is sanghis like you who do not condemn Hindutva terrorism"

Hindutva terrorism exists only in your malevolent imagination and in the false-frame-work by the sonia-raj, utilizing compliant hindu cops, who get eliminated by acts of God..
Condemnation is deserved by you and soniaraj only, getting it also quite amply, from india and all over the world.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
249
AP:>>"praises of several gods and goddesses may not go well with someone who believes there is only one God"

Right. It takes a lot of spiritiual maturity, which only the ancient ageless religion of hinduism can have, to see a variety of gods and goddesses and mother earth and mother india also as only different aspects of the one and only Absolute Power of the cosmos. For you, moslems, the earth [geos =giyaa =jeeva-yaanee, the only planet for lives to be supported] and the land of india are only reqd for meeting the expanding needs of burial grounds! Time is not far off when islam itself will only get wholly buried underground on mother india and mother earth, whether they agree to salute them or not. But those who refuse to salute mother india cannot serve in her army, at least. Even citizenship for them is questionable..
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
248
S-bhai to AP:>>"What a preposterous situation where we have to be preached by a jihadi sympathizer like you on secularism".

Very aptly put.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
247
VC:>>"Why there is so much fuss on Muslim women wearing veil, when nuns also wear the same kind of attire?"

nuns, in christianity, are the equivalent of the sanyaasins in hinduism. Special dress can be acceptable. But imposing veils on all women in islam cannot be accepted as reasonable.

>>"What's non-muslims problem if muslim men can have more than one wife in special circumstances?"

Spl circumstances? whom are you cheating?

>>"is it worse than Female Foeticide (prevalent among non-muslims)"
How do you know, only among non-moslems? Are you moslem?
Yes. on sociological effects. Born baby gets soul only on its touching the earth, from the e-m field around, depending upon the kaarmically
maximized appropriateness, by God's will. Horoscupes are based on time of earthfall of baby, not the time of foetus-formation in the womb.

>>"or Sati (still happening in some parts of India)" as per your sick imagination.

>>"India is a secular country and hence, people of all religions should debate and decide a common civil code, if it has to be enforced".

You are right. UCC must be jointly decided by the people of all the faiths among indian citizens. Hindu code bill should not be imposed on all indians.

>>"muslims razing the temple to build it was also justified 'coz muslims came later on and non-muslims committed so many atrocities to them in their earlier history?"

did you learn this in a madarsa or at the JNU?.
Fact is that, during prehistoric asuric days and the post-nabhi arabian days, jislamists were only givers of atrocities to others, not takers, from anybody else.

Incidentally, are you writing all these pro-moslem points for election win as CPM candidate with islamic votes? You are making a mistake. You should learn the lesson from your possible grandpa, Somnath Chatterjee, see how Karat has treated him recently.


v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
246
VC:>>"Muslims never talks ill about anybody else religion".

Yes. They consier the infidels below recognition or discussion. Jews, christians and hindus, indics are meant to be killed off systematically. They are, of course, willing to make some deals with churchians in CPM, congress to destroy hinduism first in india.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
245
VC:>"What is India's right on Kashmir?

Kashmir and other high-altitude himalayan valleys were the places where meditative type hindus ptreferred to go for austere lives in peace and scholarship. Aadi sankara went there for winning philo-debate and ascended to the philo-knowledge super-status. Hence only, kashmiri hindus were mostly pandits, the scholar-types. Moslem hordes, after destroying buddh afghan, landed there. Sreenagar is sans name, meaning 'city of welfare'. The hindu king naturally acceded to india. He should have asked the moslems to be sent back to pak, by the brits themselves. The buddhists of nepal should now claim afghan also and send the talibans to iran or saudi arabia. China should encourage that, really, instead of befriending pak, to annoy India.

>>"If India has a right to rule Kashmir ('coz of Letter of accession), then British also had a right to rule India"

If you, rightly, deny the brittish the right to rule india, then, they also had no right to partition india. Nor did the moghuls have the right to rule india. india should have been given back to indics.

Dont preach JNU-marxist justice, where demo-justice starts only with independance, what minorities in india did to hindus earlier should be ignored, special rights be given to them, even to rewrite history. One such JNU historian, romila thapar, is getting an award for history cook-ups from the churchians of america. JJ of TN, convent-educated, who arrested the kanchi acharya to please the churchians, is now joining the churchian CPM group of karat, arundhati, etc., for the next elections, naturally.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
244
VC:>>"Israel was illegally made in the middle-east and if the people protest, Israel calls them terrorists and bombs them".

Palestine in the middle-east is equally illegal, bec the asurabeeja adamogenics arrived by noah's arc during biblical floods from the antaarctica, at the south pole, the original phala-sthaana, land of the forbidden fruit, garden of eden.
Why dont the palestinians go to tanzania?
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
243
Learned,

>> I, however, think that my comments will lite fires of wisdom and knowledge.

You are delusional too.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
242
Learned,

>> I am not inclined to accept; the Boopk was conceived, designed and written for violence.

That is because you are a hate-filled bigot as well as a moron.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
241
faruki

in your eyes jehadis are bad, but then so are all others to an equal extent.

i suppose this brings you comfort.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
240
faruki

for a change write in the milli gazette, and say
daily times. i will watch out for you.

you have informed us of your views a zillion times.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
239
faruki

you protect islam as a mother would a handicapped child.

whats the matter with you muslims.

these days secretary rice, and admiral mullen
chief of joint chief of staff are visiting pakistan. despite their clear advice to admit that the terror originated from pakistan ,
paki leaders are comeing up with a string of lies and denials. taqia or deception.


how can decent people trust you.

reading your views, i feel we have had enough of you. how can we manage to live with you people.

however we keep comeing back to the same argument.

we have no alternative, however awful muslims be, however backward, nothing can be done.

and you know that, and are determined to be a
permanent migraine. just like allbright said of pakistan.

in fact does any one at all pay you guys an honest compliment.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
238
Learned,

>> First was recitation of Koraan and lectures on jihad. He was mentally being prepared.

His sickness and your sickness are more alike than you realize. Both of you are obsessed by the Book. He uses it to kill, you use it to perpetuate hatred and divisiveness. A billion people use it to find solace. But what is that to an idiot like you!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
237
learned

the pope said that mohammet-the guy with 19 wives- brought nothing besides evil and violence
into the world.

faruki first condemned him as an ex nazi. then he
realised this was going too far. so his latest
explanation is that the pope was propagateing his religion.

faruki is a dunce. his brain-vey small- is unable
to accept that there is anything wrong with islam and muslims.

he knows of the intense dislike of islam and muslims, in usa where he lives.

he will not change, and frankly i hope he does not.

he is the ugly muslim, unable to think or reason. the big problem is that he can not be wished away. he will remain here to pester us with his lunatic views.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
236
Learned,

>> My obsesssion stops with posting comments in the sites.

Your malignant obsession fans the flames of fire and exacerbates hatred. But you are perhaps too stupid to realize this.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
235
Learned,

>> but fact should be stated when Malegaon manufacture is fingered at.

Are you saying "Why not just forget Malegaon if only six people were killed?" And what about the 40 killed in the previous blast in Malegaon dargah, and several more in the Ajmer dargah and Hyderabad mosque, not to speak of the massacres in Gujerat and Orissa? Why can't hate pracharaks like you talk of stamping out all terrorism and all massacres, irrespective of whther they are perpetrated by Muslims or Hindus? Guys like you are truly a disgrace.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 05, 2008 12:00 AM
234
Learned,

>> Violence caused by groups that are not theological will stop once their limited objective is reached; but the violence caused by Islam and Communism will never stop till the entire world is subjugated by them.

One should go to a shallow cad like you for an analysis of such matters!!!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
233
They always ignore the elephant in the room because its not stamping on them right now and acknowledging the elephant would mean a painful process of removing it, the balls for which these guys don’t have.
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
232
faruki

the adverse views about islam are based on views
expressed by former muslims who have given
sensible arguments. if you disagree then take up the matter with them . if you can convince them,
then let us know, otherwise dont bother us with your miserable mbw.

regarding muslims we look at pakistani,s- and
they have become some of the most disliked
people in the world. i see hardly any difference
between pakistani and indian muslims in general.

Do you.? You have said some nasty things about them. Somehow you feel that we should have a soft corner for them, even though they put us of
by their behaviour. You certainly have great expectations from us, and we ofcource should have no expectations from you.

Thats not a deal any one would wish to make.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
231
faruki

there comes a lot of terror from the muslim camp- anyway thats the way most of nonmuslims see it. then there come a few moderates who talk of peace.

regardless of my personal view, the facts are
that islam and muslims are unpopular amongst govts and peoples across the world.

who cares what your islam says- we see results on
the ground. a lot of muslims are enemies of societies where they live- you can read reliable papers abroad, and watch tv.

you can keep on with your views. they impress no one, except people of your kind.

from all accounts muslims face problems, and none of your hate comments will help. when we
hear pakistani,s on tv saying that mumbai was
a bjp conspiracy i conclude that the evil in
your community is matched only by its stupidity.

no wonder my friend in karrachi says

"Ghanni kharab jaat che"

You should be ashamed of yourselves, and at the very least dont impose yourself on us.your views
are similar to those of pakistanis.

your fellow americans must have told you this.
or are they all members of the parivar, and you
dont trust them.

in this time of conflict join up with your muslim community who are busy killing and thereafter lieing to us.

be gone- in the name of allah.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
230
"arkare was on record saying 90% of his men and resources were working on maleagon & sadhvi for past 6 months."

That is true. I guess he could have spent atleast 20% of the time investigating the bombay train blasts-for example. The govt was so intent on framing hindu terrorists that they missed the elephant in the room.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
229
>> I fail to see how the jihadi attack on Bombay means that the Malegaon terrorists are innocent, which is a theory the Hindunazi echo chamber is projecting these days.

You are hearing such echoes due to the empty shell you have , where you are supposed to have a brain.

Karkare was on record saying 90% of his men and resources were working on maleagon & sadhvi for past 6 months.

Due to this political act , ATS could not detect or stop such a major jihadi attack on Mumbai , which would have taken months to prepare , with lot of local support.

If ATS had its priorities right , and was not so plient , it would have parallelly worked on gathering intelligence on ground so that terror attacks are stopped before they happen.

Focussing 90% of energy on a 2 year old case , while forgetting the jihadi terror biting his backside , shows karkares lack of judgement.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
228
Anwar claims he is not a pakistani but his ideas are surprising similar to one uttered in this link:


http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=FHQ0WXzY9sc


just watch this to hear the sheer idiocy of pakistani media. And its mainstream media, mind you.

Arundhati, Kuldeep Nayyer, Mahesh Bhatt and all the sickulars SHOULD be made to watch it.
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
227
Learned,

>> Even assuming that Malegaon was triggered by the Hindus, the casualty will be insignificant compared with the number the comrades killed in Singur and Nandhigram.

Is this all a numbers game for you? You are really a sick guy!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
226
Learned,

>>>> "I am simply fighting hate and ignorance."
>> Both are in the Book;

The hatred and ignorance displayed in this forum comes maximally from you and your ilk, and that is what I have been trying to fight. "The Book" and "The Verses" have become such pathological obsessions with you that there is nothing else that you can think of. You need psychiatric treatment!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
225
Learned,

>> I say the Hindus can not be terrorists. Where are the verses.

What an idiot! You don't need any verses to be terrorists. Just look at Tamil Tigers, the Naxalites, the Abhinav Bharat, the Israeli Irgun, the Christian Palestian Liberation Front, the Spanish Basques, the Irish IRA and several others. How come you are so dumb?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
224
Varun,

>> Rather all Indians and persons of Indian origin should unite to condemn Pakistan for its military supported massacre of Mumbai civilians.

Have I not done that?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
223
Varun,

>> Anwar Patel is trying to change the subject by raising the issue of Hindu terrorists.

It seems you want to discuss the Mumbai attack in terms of Hindu/Muslim dichotomy. That is the wrong. Everybody else is calling for national unity. Both Hindus and Muslims were victims of this attack. Discussion of this terrorist attack in no way precludes discussion of other terrorist attacks. The issue of Hindu terrorists gets raised only in direct response to the insinuations being freely flung in this discussion. Others beside myself who have expressed secular views have also come under your attack as if you have become some kind of a model of patriotism! Pipe down. The articles in the front page of Outlook should show you what a wide range of views we possess.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
222
Hinduism is not a Semitic religion. Therefore there is no central organisation or hierarchy. However, this does NOT mean that there are no Hindus who are terrorists...even if we stop referring to Hindu rioters as terrorists and even if we say that Hindus who are terrorists but members of secular organisations like the Manipur terror groups and ULFA are not Hindu terrorists.

I fail to see how the jihadi attack on Bombay means that the Malegaon terrorists are innocent, which is a theory the Hindunazi echo chamber is projecting these days.
Biswapriya Purkayastha
Shillong, India
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
221
Why are you so busy fighting hate and ignorance of some of these posters, Anwar? This is not the time. Rather all Indians and persons of Indian origin should unite to condemn Pakistan for its military supported massacre of Mumbai civilians.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
220
Anwar Patel is trying to change the subject by raising the issue of Hindu terrorists. India has just experienced a Pakistani military massacre of its Mumbai citizens. That's the subject. And no, there are no Hindu terrorists even remotely comparable to what we just viewed in Mumbai last week. Even suggesting that there might be is one of the grossest, most perverse things that can be said at a time like this. And by the way, if Hindus tried something like this in Pakistan, Bangladesh or Saudi Arabia-landing a group of mass murderers and going on a killing spree against everyone, including visiting Moslem clerics, rest assured the Islamic response would be slaughtering en masse the Hindu populations of those countries, and several more besides.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
219
Varun,

>> this India-Pakistan equal equal rubbish...

Your unequal unequal rubbish is an abomination, and is resulting in such repugnant and false formulations as "Hindus cannot be terrorists"!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
218
Anwar Patel is perpetuating this India-Pakistan equal equal rubbish, by citing some vague accusations and suspicions made in both countries. Attacks on certain Moslem shrines by other Moslems would not be out-of-character at all, given the sectarian differences, and the motive- to instigate communal riots.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
217
>> This muslim writer accepts that Islam has a problem; Anwar till date refuses to ackowledge it.

You, being an idiot, have not been following my posts. But when responding to the stupid posts from you, Bodepudi, Lalit, Seshadri etc, I am simply fighting hate and ignorance.

>> comparing the one thousand year old problem of Islamic violence with the Sangh propaganda and the manufactured Malegaon case.

We are concerned about what is going on today and what might happen tomorrow. Your digging of dirt from the past is something that others can do too, but it is an activity that appeals mainly to those who are hateful and mentally limited.

>> He is a political Islamist; waiting for the right time to agitate for the muslim domination and imposition of shariaa.

You are not just stupid. You are a paranoid psychotic too.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
216
Learned,
What would expect from Anwar Miyan who lives on propaganda websites like countercurrents and twocircles.net.

I have been following this forum for long time and I am surprised how people still have patience to convince Anwar aka Faruki. He has already made up his mind
Maha
NJ, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
215
Varun,

>> Among those psychos, Anwar, is a Pakistani TV channel, accusing Hindus and Jews of staging the Mumbai massacre.

I heard those weirdos. Reminiscent of Muslims being accused of bombing the Mecca Mosque in Hyderabad, the Ajmer Dargah, the Samjhauta Express and the Dargah in Malegaon!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
214
OUTLOOK and
VARUN SHEKHAR
TORONTO CANADA

For your info:


http://www.theaustralia...7,24747364-7583,00.html


Let me paste an extract from it to give a flavour to some others in this forum also, if they are interested to read, for opening their eyes on this sinister political demarche by the Islamists:

"... US president-elect Barack Obama has expressed his absolute solidarity with India, but he has been a bit schizophrenic on Pakistan nonetheless. During the primaries, Obama said he would order military strikes on targets within Pakistan if he had information of high-value terrorists sheltering there and if the Pakistan Government could not or would not take action itself.

At first I thought this a little imprudent until the Bush administration started to do exactly the same thing. So, one tick to Obama's tough-minded realism.

However, he also has suggested appointing a special presidential negotiator on Kashmir. This is a very stupid and dangerous move indeed. In light of the Mumbai bombing it would be a pure political reward for terror outrages. The wretched message such a move would send would be: You murder enough civilians and we'll start making concessions.

As the epicentre of global terrorism shifts from the Middle East to South Asia, you can see the effort to transform the Kashmir dispute into the equivalent of the Palestinian dispute; that is, the fountainhead, all-purpose grievance can be used to explain, if not justify, every act of Islamist butchery and murder in the region.

But the history of Kashmir doesn't bear that out. Nor do negotiations on it offer any solution.
...
However, Kashmiris, like everyone else in India, enjoy Indian democracy, and state elections have recently been under way. If it were not for what are in effect constant acts of war by Pakistan, Kashmir could have settled into a fully normal life. Even with the constant Pakistani military intervention, India is still winning the allegiance of Kashmiris...."

I hope the "secularist" (pseudo?) Hindus in this forum take a cue from it.
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
213
AP:>>"How come you are such a moron?"

If a liberal so-called intellectual moslem in dallas can only see morons all around, the emotional violence capability of ordinary moslems in india, pak, aft friday evg sermons, can easily be imagined. They will come out, only to see all without skullcaps, only as the devils to be attacked.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
212
Among those psychos, Anwar, is a Pakistani TV channel, accusing Hindus and Jews of staging the Mumbai massacre to discredit Moslems.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 04, 2008 12:00 AM
211
dr s

do you know of the national song of muslims world wide.?
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
210
>> You lie again. I said "less than 0.1%". What is the percentage for Hindus?

I don't know the percentage for either, but empirical evidence suggests that the ratio for Hindus is likely to be much lower than that for Muslims.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
209
Varun,

>> hedged their 'condemnation' with accusations about Hindus and Jews being responsible for the massacre.

There will always be some psychos. I was referring to what the sane people said.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
208
Anwar neglects to mention that Moslems in Pakistan have hedged their 'condemnation' with accusations about Hindus and Jews being responsible for the massacre.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
207
Stopperbhai,

>> There may be a handful of secular and liberal Muslims in India.But thier silence against the atrocities committed by thier Jihadi brothers against the non Muslims is more atrocious.

Muslims in India, and even in Pakistan, have vociferously denounced the Mumbai attack. It is sanghis like you who do not condemn Hindutva terrorism. You have even empathized with them1
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
206
Varun,

>> They outright dismissed it as against Islam.

Why does that surprise you? Singing the praises of several gods and goddesses may not go well with someone who believes there is only one God. Moreover Bankimchandra Chattopadhyay's novel "Anandamatha", in which the song first appeared, was seen as being a very anti-Muslim novel. I have not read it.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
205
Amitav Ghosh's article and the article in Hindu yesterday are typical. These guys care more about Pakistan, the relationship with Pakistan, the "peace" process than they care about the security of ordinary people.

And add to that, you cannot arrest anyone if he is a muslim. That would be harassment. With such attitudes, terror strikes should be happening daily. It is a miracle that is not the case.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
204
Learned:>>" Welcome to Londonistan and Eurabia".

It is a pity that Albany is getting to be another Albania.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
203
Anwar Patel, the Moslem league in the pre-independence era did not even qualify their objection to Vande Mataram by saying that it is a nice song or a beautiful song. They outright dismissed it as against Islam, Moslems and claimed it was portending Hindu Raj. What accounts for that?
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
202
Vivek Chatterjee, you tasteless, repulsive idiot! Why are you even bringing up Kashmir and Israel and Ayodhya? Are you saying the Mumbai massacre was entirely justified because of Kashmir, Israel and Ayodhya? That is what you sound like. Anyone raising those issues in connection with the Mumbai killings at CST, Oberoi, Taj and Nariman, is in effect justifying the mass murders and their motives.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
201
>> Even .1% of a billion people is awesome

You lie again. I said "less than 0.1%". What is the percentage for Hindus?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
200
Seshadri,

>> And moslems, with very few exceptions, are anti-secular and only umma-nationalist. They refuse to sing 'vande maataram'.

Many Muslims are as anti-secular as you, and as anti-secular as most sanghis. The value of the concept of 'secularism' however lies in its application to the state rather than to individuals. Secularism means the state has no religion. Muslims do sing 'jana mana gana'. Many Muslims sing 'vande mataram', while others object to it on religious grounds. It is a beautiful song, but its beauty is not enhanced by enforced singing.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
199
That was indeed a good article by Aijaz Syed.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
198
Seshadri,

>> You are opposed to telling the truth, about yourself and islam, that is all.

The truth that you want to hear is a lie. But how would someone like you who lies constantly about sanskritizations, calling others asura-beejas, and inventing tales about who was reborn as who know know the difference between truth and lying?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
197
>> He (Aijaz Syed) is more forthright and honest, which Anwar refuses to display.

He shows decency, something that is totally absent in you.

>> but I will not condemn the verses.

Only a total idiot would make such a comment.

>> When arguments fail, AP starts on abuse.

What you call "arguments" is nothing but despicable mud-slinging which only gutter rats like you can indulge in.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
196
Some points to ponder:

1) Several muslim children are killed by Israel every day in Palestine. Why doesn't the world adopt them? Israel was illegally made in the middle-east and if the people protest, Israel calls them terrorists and bombs them.

2) What is India's right on Kashmir? If India has a right to rule Kashmir ('coz of Letter of accession), then British also had a right to rule India.

3) Why do non-muslims always attack Islam and its prophet in the name of freedom of expression, but cry foul when someone does the same to them (Harbhajan posing as Rama or Da Vinci Code issue)? Muslims never talks ill about anybody else religion.

4) Why there is so much fuss on Muslim women wearing veil, when nuns also wear the same kind of attire?

5) What's non-muslims problem if muslim men can have more than one wife in special circumstances? First - it's not bad if it's done for some justifiable reason. Secondly - is it worse than Female Foeticide (prevalent among non-muslims)or Sati (still happening in some parts of India)

6) Why should there be one-sided enforcement of Uniform Civil Code? India is a secular country and hence, people of all religions should debate and decide a common civil code, if it has to be enforced.

7) If demolition of Babri Masjid is justified 'coz it was made by razing a temple, then muslims razing the temple to build it was also justified 'coz muslims came later on and non-muslims committed so many atrocities to them in their earlier history?

Vivek Chatterjee
Calcutta, India
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
195
AP:>>"Congress may be pseudo-secular, but the BJP is pseudo-nationalist"

And moslems, with very few exceptions, are anti-secular and only umma-nationalist. They refuse to sing 'vande maataram', even. Well, umaa-maheSwara who is also the ummaa-maheSwara = allaah, should give them wisdom to live with loyalty to india.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
194
AP:>>"I am opposed to 'jihadi' islam"

You are opposed to telling the truth, about yourself and islam, that is all.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
193
Seshadri,

>> From the above statement, it appears as if,
perhaps, anwar patel is really a crypto-churchian only.

The above statement clearly shows your narrow perspective and your Neanderthal outlook.

>> Hindutva in india is really the only 'quranically justifiable' 'jihad' of hindus, for their continued survival in india.

Since I am opposed to 'jihadi' islam, I am opposed to Hindutva also. Unlike Hinduism, Hindutva is divisive and fascistic. Perhaps that's why you like it.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
192
AP:>" Separation of the state and the church is a temporal or worldly evolution that all societies have achieved or will achieve."

From the above statement, it appears as if,
perhaps, anwar patel is really a crypto-churchian only, having a moslem first name and hindu-like surname, like burkha dutt, perhaps.
He is supporting islamists only for mercenary reasons, perhaps.

>>"Jehadi and Hindutva forces however wish to move in the opposite direction. They have to be defeated".

Hindutva in india is really the only 'quranically justifiable' 'jihad' of hindus, for their continued survival in india. 'jihad' of moslems was valid only for protection of the survival of islam in arabia, the land of its origin. moslems, who have only arrived in india as invaders and stayed on as oppressors and now claiming rights for 'jihad' in the islamic sense of the term. It is like guests, who have come in and given some room to stay, suddenly claiming exclusive ownership for the whole house! Equalizn of jislam in india with hindutva is wholly unjustifiable.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
191
>> One percent of one billion. Hi, that is awesome figure for jihadis.

You lie in the very first sentence. I had said "less than 0.1%". What percentage of Hindus are bajrangis and abhinav-bharatis going around killing, raping and setting houses on fire in Gujerat, Orissa, Karnatak and Maharashtra?

>> supreme audacity of the muslims with a history of billions of death...

You are not just a moron. You are also a liar.

>> For 1200 years you have not done it; is there a hope in the future.

You are also blind and deaf. These are facts, not abuse.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
190
Lalit,

>> if only 0.1 percent were violent then the 99.9 percent would stop them.

That does not happen when either Muslim or Hindu goons go on violent rampages.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
189
faruki

christians should answer you regarding the bible.

i will stand up for the gita as i have done.'

budhists should stand up for their religion.

that should shut you up.

are you scared. by the way why do not the simpering christians who have discovered jesus,
not defend their religion in this forum.

are you scared of mad dog faruki?.he is mad, but he cant bite you.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
188
faruki

what lies.

only 0.1 percent are violent.

have you noted the violence in pakistan.

if only 0.1 percent were violent then the 99.9 percent would stop them.

just look at usa. ex muslims need gaurds 24 hours a day-

your whole community is prone to comitt violence.
if they dont do it on outsiders,then they beat,
burn and kill their own women

read nicolas kristoff in new york times.

if you had any dignity you would bow your head in shame.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
187
faruki

most of us are more intelligent, better read then a muslim imbecile like you.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
186
Seshadri,

>> Now, I understand fully why moslem editors like Siddiqui produce indian language tv serials prtraying hindu households as hells for women.

No, you do not understand fully! First see "Water" made by Deepa Mehta.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
185
>> that is why UK is on the fast track towards becoming an Islamic dhimmi state. They are already welcoming shariaa and shariaa finance is also in.

The British are caught in the web of their own laws which permit Church of England ecclesiatical courts as well as Jewish Beth Din courts which hear civil disputes. But the British people will in time resolve this, either by having UCC or forcing reforms in Muslim law. Your ignorance and superficiality on this subject is like your ignorance on most subjects.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
184
>> I have addressed to this question at least half a dozen times.

You have exhibited your ignorance on this subject half a dozen times.

>> There is the Book in every muslim household; they read it daily and firmly believe in the contents.

Muslims in the subcontinent read the Quran in Arabic, although they do not know Arabic. The verses that you and other sanghis and zionists are so fond of quoting may be known to them only through sermons given by imams who can put them in proper context. The only "Muslims' who take them literally, as you do, are the terrorists and jihadis. If out of a population of one billion, less than 0.1% are violent, what does it say to you, assuming that you have some brains. What percentage of Hindus are violent? How come you, a Hindu, is the most hate-filled person in this forum? How come you have nothing to say about the oppressive caste system and dowry deaths which still exist in spite of the much touted laws on the books? How come you are such a moron?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
183
Lalit,

>> faruki claims that the bible has hate worses in it.

Why don't you read Deuteronomy and Revelation yourself, you moron, instead of trying to turn the Christians against me? What is there in Muslim, Hindu and Christian scriptures is there, and I do not look down on any of them for what was written ages ago in parables and symbolic allusions. It is up to us to get the best message out of them in order to be better men and women.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
182
>> We are not talking about India and Pakistan; we are discussing about the jihadi pracharaks and RSS.

Are there RSS shakhas in Pakistan? Why are you so dumb?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 03, 2008 12:00 AM
181
>> See how a muslim immigrant behave in U.K. It is said Anjem Chowdhry is a moderate muslim.

Says who? He is as bigotic a hate-spewer as you! He should be in jail.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
180
AP:>>"Not in the vast majority of Muslim households. The newspaper stories of dowry deaths from Hindu households still do not abate in spite of the laws on the books. Same applies to female foeticides. Shameful honor killings occur in Muslim families, but also in Hindu families both in India as well as in Hindu families in the US"

Now, I understand fully why moslem editors like Siddiqui produce indian language tv serials prtraying hindu households as hells for women and hindu women as extremely feminist. The few moslem characters, if any, are nobility personified! The object seems to be show, artificially, that: 'hinduism considers women worse than dirt'. The saving factor is that such serials have very few viewers, other than moslems in ghettos, perhaps.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
179
When you have a prime minister who wants the "advice of the ISI chief of pakistan"to come to india and discuss with him the "mode of fighting terrorism and terrorists"what is the fun in deriding other indian agencies like the police coast guards navy nsg etc?
arun
newdelhi, India
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
178
"Really amazing how some people want to make such profound statements without absolutely any evidence. "

The evidence will be an article by the objective Praful Bidwai.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
177
>> More hate is being disseminated by the RSS shakhas and schools than all the madrsas combined.

Really amazing how some people want to make such profound statements without absolutely any evidence.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
176
Azeem:>>"They are just blood hounds and have to be treated as such"

IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH YOU.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
175
Sasi:>>"However, Karma and Dharma will do its duty one day -- that time -- India must exist".

IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

karma, dharma and varma are the three aspects of
dynamics, both material and spiritual. In the solution of the diff eqn of a dynamic system, the initial condition value is 'karma', the particular integral work out is the 'dharma' of system, the external inputs deforming the dynamics constitute the 'varma' part of it. For hinduism and india today, the varma effects are very dominant. But, the faith we have in the eternal absolute will ensure our success eventually. 'na me bhaktah praNaSyati', says the Lord in the Gita.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
174
Regarding the Kerala CM's comment. Let not the people of this country get so worked up. How the heck Indians treated the policemen and their families of Punjab?

How the heck Indians treated the families of those policemen who died protecting the parliament? By and large, Indians treat the families of the armed forces as garbage. Only the Kerala CM told it.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
173
kiran bagachi

melanie philips has said the same as shourie.

we must judge muslims by what they do and not
listen to the false image of the peaceful and
moderate muslim.

an example of this peaceful and moderate muslim
is available by looking at pakistan.

in his efforts to white wash the muslim indicus
he rejects pakistan, and presumambly believes that he is better then them. rubbish. he is much
worse, and a reminder to all of us how he uses every trick of the trade, lies, deception, abuse
to get off the hook.

the next that will happen in india is if bjp comes to power in india, and obama in usa.
then we can watch and see how the cookie crumbles.

i think its gonna be curtains for sheephead faruki,s.


lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
172
faruki

i wrote to mr c yesterday, and he was sad about the mumbai bombings.

in answer to my question , he said that he did not understand the muslim mind.

and no, muslims could not think rationally.

thats the view of most europeans, and i think
you must have read their views.

my views after your various comments is simple.

gujerat under modi should separate muslims from the nonmuslims. they can live on their own, and
lets see what a society they can build for themselves. certain muslims who are geniunely secular can live where they like.

muslims like you, your friend engineer should be permanently excluded from the zone where nonmuslims live.

lets see how clear thinking, peaceful muslims
act to form a good islamic state by themselves.

lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
171
Lalit, what you say is so true. I've rarely met an Indian Christian who sides with Hindus on any Hindu-Moslem question. They must be seeing them as a fellow 'minority', and moreover, one that shares a belief in one book, one God, one Prophet/Saint like them. Unlike the multifarious Hindus. And on this message board too, there are Arul Francis, Augustus and Albequerque.Among supposedly more serious commentators, Dilip D'Souza, Ashley Tellis( see his review of the movie "A Wednesday",) Ammu Joseph and Dionne Bunsha take a very pro-Moslem/Islamic stance.However much Christians and Moslems have despised and fought with each other over the centuries, in India at least, there is a unity of purpose in opposing the Hindu majority and supporting each other on any communal issue involving the Hindus.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
170
LALITMB
KALUNDBORG DENMARK

In my struggle to absorb your "catty remark" that -

"you are one of those guys who cant walk and chew gum at the same time. thats common amongst bongos"

it suddenly dawned on to me that my observation

"Does it get into your head that without the Mirage fighters, IAF could not have turned the table in Kargil war ?"

apropos the ranting by ARUL FRANCIS
CLAYTON CALIFORNIA is equally applicable to you when you say

"... but then they have no intention of useing the weapons against pakistan.

the fighter jets are meant for fly pasts on republic day..." .

No wonder that Bongos are anathema to you !!!

Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
169
to christian posters,

faruki claims that the bible has hate worses in it.

answer him-or you dont deserve to be in this forum.

christians gang up with muslims against hindus,
but are scared to take on muslims.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
168
faruki

the entire army in pakistan, the clerics and most
people support jehad and violence.

thats the reason for the violent society there.

cant you see how different india is from pakistan. cant you see how muslims in india,

you can keep on denying the truth.

fareed zakaria said in an interview that muslims were not ready for liberalism and democracy.
in the islamic nations, india muslims are the most traditional and backward.

do you think these guys would fit into usa.

have you not seen how indians are doing well
in usa, and pakis doing much worse.

get that into your sheeps or pigs head.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
167
This is what Shouri writes in one of his latest article:

Finally, have a clear realisation of the condition of the society and state of Pakistan. Unless you come across evidence that the nature of the state and society of Pakistan has changed, it is idiotic to put faith in the profession of this ruler or that. Remember Musharraf’s “Main naya dil leyke aayaa hun”? Taliban and Al Qaeda are not the cause of the state of Pakistan. They are the result of the Talibanisation of Pakistani society and state.

Where do you think, and by whom do you think are the teachers instructed to ensure that students from class 1 onwards “recognise the importance of jihad”; to ensure that they “must be aware of the blessings of jihad”; to ensure that they “create yearning for jihad in his heart”; to ensure that they develop “love and aspiration for jihad, tabligh, shahadat, sacrifice, ghazi, shaheed”? Where do you think, and by whom are teachers instructed to ensure that students from kindergarten onwards learn to “make speeches on jihad and shahadat”, and are “judged on their spirit while making speeches on jihad”? Do you think these are instructions issued by the Islamic fundamentalists to maulvis in madrasas? They are instructions given by the government of Pakistan through official circulars to principals and teachers in government schools of Pakistan.

You didn’t know that? Exactly. That is a large part of the problem. You will find reams of these and other facts in the 2002 report edited by Pakistani academics, A.H. Nayyar and Ahmed Salim, and published by the Sustainable Development Institute, Islamabad, ‘The Subtle Subversion: The state of curricula and textbooks in Pakistan, Urdu, English, Social Studies and Civics’. Get on to the Internet, download and read the report from www.sdpi.org. Here is a part of the problem that you can solve by yourself.

Read full article here:

http://arunshourie.wordpress.com/feed/
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
166
Lalit,

>> india needs clear thinkers.

That rules you out. In any case, if you have nothing meaningful to say, you don't have to keep posting and make a fool of yourself.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
165
faruki

india needs clear thinkers, who are aware of the
danger of the muslim menace. guys who can clinically destroy or damage pakistan, and destroy islamic sleeper cells made up of people like you.

do it in the cold, invinceable way.no big talk.
just hard action.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
164
THE WAY REDS RESPECT THE DEAD WARRIORS :

"Comrade's tribute: a dog won’t visit your home

Thiruvananthapuram: The Kerala Government hurt the sentiments of the family of Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan by not sending its representative for the funeral of the Malayali NSG commando who died battling terrorists in Mumbai. Its Chief Minister today added insult to that injury when he said, “Even a dog would not have glanced at that house had it not been Sandeep’s residence.”

Sandeep’s father Unnikrishnan had snubbed Chief Minister V S Achuthanandan and Home Minister Kodiyeri Balakrishnan when they came to his house on Sunday after he repeatedly declined to see them. Sandeep’s father Unnikrishnan was upset that none of the Kerala ministers called or visited to offer condolence while their counterparts in Karnataka did.

So the commando’s father asked them to go back. “I have lost all respect for you, VS,” he said. Later, he clarified that the politicians arrived after he repeatedly said no and admitted that he “responded badly.”

Talking to Times Now, Achuthanandan said: “I have respect for Sandeep, his mother and father. If it had not been Sandeep’s residence, not even a dog would have glanced at the house,” he told the channel. “I did not expect such a reception.” There is widespread outrage among politicians of all shades over the Chief Minister’s comments. BJP state president P K Krishnadas said Achuthandanan has become a disgrace for the state. “VS inflicted wounds on that bereaved family. He should quit the post,” he said. “When People’s Democratic Party leader Abdul Nasser Madani was acquitted in the Coimbatore serial blast case, three ministers of the Left Government turned up for the reception in Thiruvanananthapuram. The CPM has proved that the party would honour anti-nationals and insult those who have sacrificed their lives for the nation.”

Thiruvanchoor Radhakrishnan said Achuthanandan’s comment is aimed at killing the NSG hero again. “While the entire country is saluting Sandeep’s supreme sacrifice, his home state is insulting him,” he said. A CPI MP from Kerala, who preferred anonymity, said Achuthanandan’s comment on Sandeep’s family was unwarranted. “He has raked up a controversy unnecessarily. It has really embarrassed all of us,” he said.

Opposition leader Oommen Chandy said: “Every Keralite, every Indian, should take pride in his sacrifice. He had embraced death for the nation. Post-death, he should not have been drawn into an unnecessary controversy.”

a k ghai
mumbai, India
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
163
“But the RSS has a massive educational program through its schools, shakhas and publications to subtly and overtly create hatred against and defamation of Muslims.”

Only as many hindu kids go to RSS run schools as muslims kids who go to madarsas.

“The Hindutva concept itself is exclusionary and divisive.”

And what about the koranic concept?

“The reactionary nationalism of Savarkar, Golwalkar and the VHP are designed to make "the other' of 150 million Indians.”

And what does profit Muhammad say about ‘the other’?? Just curious.

“That is why I have said before that the Congress may be pseudo-secular, but the BJP is pseudo-nationalist.”

And you are psedu-liberal.
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
162
>>The Hindutva concept itself is exclusionary and divisive.

According to supreme court of India , Hindutva is not a divisive or exclusionary term .

The definitions of supreme court hold good in India . Not that of CAIR or ummah.

If some one does not like the term , he has to file a review petition in supreme court and shut up till then.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
161
Pradip,

>> people like Laloo, Mulayam, Soniya are not doing any favours to Muslims.

I agree. But the RSS has a massive educational program through its schools, shakhas and publications to subtly and overtly create hatred against and defamation of Muslims. The Hindutva concept itself is exclusionary and divisive. The reactionary nationalism of Savarkar, Golwalkar and the VHP are designed to make "the other' of 150 million Indians. That is why I have said before that the Congress may be pseudo-secular, but the BJP is pseudo-nationalist. We need two moderate democratic parties which are nationalist and secular, one to the right of center, the other to the left of center, just as you have it in Britain.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
160
faruki

ass hole have you been to a meeting of a shakha.

no one on this earth are such foul sons of b itches then your muslim cut throats ,organised
all over the world.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
159
faruki

do you consider pakistani muslims to be worse then indian muslims.its hard to say who are worse.

if one was to judge indian muslims by looking at you, then i would say that they are as bad as the pakis-maybe worse.

i communicate with paki journalists now and then. there is none like them in india amongst muslims.

pseudo secularists have hidden the truth about you.not just in india, but else where in the west.

the west haveing been hurt, has given up on you.
india needs to do the same.

i would welcome exmuslims like tasleema nasreen,
salman rushdie to india. people like you should not be allowed in, even through the servants
entrance.

god knows how many muslims from mumbai were with the terrorists. some like you i am sure.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
158
Anwar Patel

Whether you like it or not, more than 20% of the country is Sanghi. So you can not wish them away, just as Hindus can not wish away the Muslims who constitute almost 15% of the population.

So rather than just hurling abuse at each other, the right approach is to engage in a constructive dialogue.

I believe that the Sangh Parivar needs to do some very serious thinking about its approach to Indian Muslims. I am not advocating shallow 'Amar Akbar Anthony' type approach which is what has been practised for so long in India in the name of secularism which had brought us to this state. All of us need to look at this in a constructive but yet very robust manner.

Mr Patel, believe me, people like Laloo, Mulayam, Soniya are not doing any favours to Muslims. In fact they are simply using them as fodder and making their lives difficult. It is the responsibility of intelligent Muslims to see through this terrible exploitation of Muslims that has been practised for so long.


Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
157
>>>> "More hate is being disseminated by the RSS shakhas and schools than all the madrsas combined."
>> That does not sound true; they could not enact a even miniature version of the hair raising Lal Masjid thriller.

The RSS shakhas and the madrasas referred to in my post are all in India. The Lal Masjid episode which thrilled you occurred in Pakistan. All your hateful arguments are either dishonest or based on ignorance. You are truly a bore!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
156
>> If the muslims know, we will not have Mumbai thrillers.

The minds of the Mumbai terrorists are as stupid, rigid and hateful as your own mind. Your favorite verses are the favorites of the terrorists, sanghis and zionists too.

Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
155
>> followers are wise enough to know what should be/should not be followed.

True for Muslims, except for the jehadis who are no better than right wing Christian nuts like Bush and Cheney, and right wing Hindu nuts like those in Abhinav Bharati. Perhaps you too are one of them.

>> Reformation forced the Church to carry out the reforms and the Church also began to abjure violence.

Such historical developments are more widespread than you think.

>> even if there are a few stray ones, they are neither read nor followed.

True for Muslims. They know less about such verses than you, the sanghis and the zionists do.

>> See how the Pakistan government is brain washing its children about jihad.

That is bad, as bad as the RSS running 60,000 shakhas, with 50,000 daily gatherings to disseminate their hindutva hatred. More hate is being disseminated by the RSS shakhas and schools than all the madrsas combined. The madrasas in fact are much better monitored than the shakhas.

>> I have already argued in detail...... that the Islamic terror is real.

But you are a hate pracharak. As such you are expected to lie and spread hate.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
154
>> the intensity of the earlier violent verses is mellowed.

The Church makes no distinction between earlier and later chapters of the Bible. The Old and the New Testament have the same status.

>> subsequent to reformation, the Christians could achieve separation of state and religion.

That has no relevance to the contents of the Bible. Separation of the state and the church is a temporal or worldly evolution that all societies have achieved or will achieve. Jehadi and Hindutva forces however wish to move in the opposite direction. They have to be defeated.

>> I do not remember any one quoting violent verses from the Hindu scriptures.

Violent verses are quoted by enemies of a religion, such as you supposedly quoting from Quran.

>> there is no Hindu terror.

There are Muslim, Hindu, Christian and Jewish terrorists. There is no Muslim, Hindu, Christian or Jewish terror. But do carry on your unholy war of hate and lies. Without it you are zilch.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
153
Lalit,

>> its obvious that you have no clue about the new testament or the gita.

This from an ignoramus like you! Your arguments are, as always, at the middle-school level! Go to bed.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
152
faruki

its obvious that you have no clue about the new testament or the gita.

today muslims in pakistan claim that mumbai
was attacked by hindu fanatics, and i wrote a letter to a karrachi journalist as to why why muslims are unable to think like rational humans.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
151
Lalit,

>> please quote hate passages from the bhagwata gita, the new testament or teachings of the
budha.

You want me to fall to your and Learned's low levels? Others have posted several passages from Hindu scriptures in this forum, and I had asked you to read Deuteronomy a couple of years ago.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
150
Yes, I would really like to see a hate-passage from the Buddhist "Dhammapada" and the Jain "Kalpa-Sutra". All religions support terrorism, after all, and there are terrorists in all the religions, you see.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
149
faruki

please quote hate passages from the bhagwata gita, the new testament or teachings of the
budha.

in case you can not , then withdraw your remarks.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
148
Lalit,

>> i hear passages from the bible on occasions of
weddings. it is all benign.

We all hear benign passages from the scriptures of religions during rites and ceremonies. We all quote not-so-benign passages from the same scriptures when playing our mud-slinging games.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
147
faruki

i hear passages from the bible on occasions of
weddings, cremations -

it is all benign. never have i heard anything
against any religion.

regarding the hindu religion. i have read the
bhagwad gita. i have not found any thing about killing ones enemies, enslaveing others.

the supreme mantra is the gayatri mantra-and
its a prayer to god, asking for peace and enlightenment. its hardly religious. any human can recite it.

likwwise i have attended a lecture given by the dalai lama in copenhagen. everyone was spell bound. he started by saying that he did not want to convert anyone, and his advice was sensible and moral.

on the other hand you know better then us what is spoken in mosques. i have listened to some on tv, and i was amazed at the hate expressed by the imam, against all non muslims.

the results of this are apparent in pakistani society.

by the way, i listened to a news programme on
pakistan tv- relayed by u tube.

the three participants claimed that the mumbai massacre was a frame up, and carried out by the
indians, and that pakistan should not give way .

i concluded that muslims seem to be out of touch with reality. the pakis also claimed that nine elleven was also a frame up.

now against such people, one can have any serious talk.

its this kind of muslim logic which has convinced
me that we should live apart. the pakis i listened to were quite mad, and i know that no way can one live with them in a civilised manner.

i am sure after liveing in the usa, you must be aware of this.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
146
Lalit,

>> everyone these days seems to have read many passages from the koran.

How come no one reads scriptures of other religions these days. If they do, they would soon realize how they "sound"!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
145
faruki

i am of the view that most britts for example are
decent people, who live by rules, are honest and polite. the ones who are bad are few. that is the reason for their haveing a relatively peaceful society.

i would not say that for pakistani society, and that is why pakistan is such a dreadful place.

no great investigations are required to reach these conclusions.

ask any neutral american, chinese in usa.

how would they rate pakistan versus britain, and let us know.

how do americans and even pakistani liberals compare largely hindu india with pakistan or
bangladesh.

a dr hussain has written an article on pakistan versus india in daily times of today. dr hussain worked as a doctor in usa, before returning to lahore about 5 years ago. its worth a read.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
144
faruki

everyone these days seems to have read many passages from the koran- the more one gets to know about islam, the worse it sounds.and i am
not trying to be funny.

the koran should put off any sensitive person
with its preposterous claims to being a messenger of god, and his exhortations to everyone to follow him or face death in this life, and hell thereafter.


only the idealogies of hitler and the communists
match it in ferocity, and evil- and thankfully
all of these are extinct.

hundreds of millions of people in the most civilised parts of the world reject islam. the
ones who follow it are awful people who live
in the muslim world. these areas like pakistan,
afghanistan are so terrible that no one unless forced to would visit them.

however the great thing about islam is that its followers are absolutely devoted to it, and can
not see the hate and evil in it, which is obvious to many of us.

believing this i feel that its fair of us nonmuslims to live apart from you. islam and
its customs and rituals for you, and our nonmuslim religions, traditions and culture for us.

thats not much to ask for-
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
143
>> ALL Muslim youth must be forced to study other religions.

So should Hindu youth, especially those from saffron families.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
142
Seshadri,

>> BJP does not ask for special respect for 'hindu terrorists', do they?. They only object to hindus being 'framed' as terrorists.

That's so nice of them!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 02, 2008 12:00 AM
141
Lalit,

>> we know your arguments to defend muslim society. we are bad, and so are you.

The real problem is with your argument, "You are all bad, and we are all good."

Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
140
KR:>>"The commando's father Unnikrishnan, who hails from Kerala's Kozhikode, remained firm that no politician should enter his house".

His despise for the politicians of kerala is quite understandable, since most devout hindus of kerala [their hearts still filled with devotion to guruvayurappan, iyappan, bhagavati and siva in kerala temples] have simply been driven out of the state by the churchians, moslems, atheists, ezhavans, dominating the politics of the state and monopolizing the educational and professional sectors fully.

>>CM's remark:"HAD IT NOT BEEN SANDEEP'S HOUSE EVEN DOGS WOULD NOT HAVE VISITED THEM "

It only shows the ultimate despise the kerala politicians have for the higher-caste hindus of kerala. The CM paid the visit only bec the sonia-phile churchian media channels criticized him for the electoral adv for the congress, not bec he had any feelings for the boy who died defending the country.

These political minds have been thoroughly regionalized, fighting for each drop of water with the neighbouring states.

Will God save india? Perhaps, not. Disunited indians may just get washed down into the indian ocean, in suitable instalments of storms and floods. Indians nowadays do not even co-operate, as neighbours, on flood-situations; they only look to the polits, who go about like emperors, in car chains, surrounded by security men, ordering about some reluctant bureaocrats who do next to nothing. God helps only those who are willing to help themselves. Societies or countries.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
139
Oh ... I forgot Amar Singh that dirtiest rat of them all ... is he licking OBL's a.se in Tora Bora caves ...
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
138
I wonder where the Arundhati Roys, Prakash Karats, Sitaram Yechuris, Bal & Raj Thackerays, Mulayams, Mayawatis, Paswans and Lallus of this world hiding ... is there any rat hole left anywhere in the country where these motherf..ker bastards are ?
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
137
"If it was not Angry scenes were witnessed at slain NSG commando Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan's residence in Bangalore on Sunday night when the family shut the doors before Kerala Chief Minister V S Achutanandan who went to meet them to offer condolences. The commando's father Unnikrishnan, who hails from Kerala's Kozhikode, remained firm that no politician should enter his house. "

After being shooed out by the aggrieved father , in response Achut Nandan CM Kerela said

'THAT HAD IT NOT BEEN SANDEEP'S HOUSE EVEN DOGS WOULD NOT HAVE VISITED THEM "

How sad ! A CM speaking in such a tone and uttering SUCH DREOGATORY REMARKS TOWRDS THE BREIVED FAMILY WHO LOST THEIR SON VALIANTLY FIGHTING TERRORISTS ONLY 24 HRS BACK ? CM should have realised that aggrieved father was in deep shock after loosing the young son .Also not a single Minister from Kerela was present at cremation grounds .

BUT THOSE CRUEL WORDS ONLY A FIEND CAN UTTER !!!

THESE ARE OUR LEADERS.
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
136
Lalit:>>"indian securety forces should be trained in israel, usa and britain".

I agree with you. Indian coastline from gujarat to bengal should be monitored by a multi-national navy with participation from brittain, USA and israel, joining the indian navy. Pak can be allowed to join the group, if they hand over dawood ibrahim first, for due punishments.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
135
VijaY:>>" I have been higlighting in my posts that this govt's attempts to politicise the acts of terrorism and thru media to malign the armed forces is a dangerous game that undermines India's security"

You are right. The news item in OL today :
" Karkare was investigating the Malegaon case, which for the first time brought out the alleged involvement of Hindu extremists in terror strikes". 'for the first time' is being emphasized, showing the media-eagerness to establish 'hindutva terrorism' as a 'framed reality' in india today. satyam eva jayate, truth will prevail, eventually.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
134

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Zak
NY, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
133
V Seshadri

I only quoted from Tavleen Singh what I thought was relevant to the point I have beee higlighting in my posts that this govt's attempts to politicise the acts of terrorism and thru media to malign the armed forces is a dangerous game that undermines India's security ...

I didn't consider the other bits from the article that you seem to be so concerned worth mentioning ...
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
132

Dear MMS,

What was the outcome of the All Party meeting? Selling equipments and expanding tactical and operational units? Do you need all Party consensus for these? I think, the Congi are going to sleep again.

India must block all the dams and water supply to Pakistan. Pakistan, a rogue state, can't dictate terms with India. India should not succumb to the pressure of USA cause, fighting Talibans. India's pain is Pakistan. If Pakistan moves its forces to the border, India doesn't have to worry about USA. India must give a military reply.

Because you're weak and soft, it doesn't mean your fatherless neighbour can attack you while sleeping.

The war captive, the boy is from Pakistan, the boat route originated from Pakistan, Phone transcripts connect to Pakistan and Bangladesh, the training were done in Pakistan, and the trainer was a Pakistani army man.

What more does India need to bring Pakistan to its knee?

Bomb Pakistan with immediate effect!
Zak
NY, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
131
rose

all officials who ignored warnings, and who delayed arrival of special forces should be named
by the media, and punished.

they are worse then traitors.

deshmukh and r.r. patil, shvraj patil etc should be banned from politics.the gandhi family should pack their bags and go, along with their entourage of courtiers.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
130
dr s

tavleen singh has lost her marbles

aaa we hindus only demanded fair treatment for
sadhvi a woman monk. we respect women, and certainly a woman monk. is tavleen singh so dumb
as not to know this.

bbb security lapses in kathmandu was the main cause of the kandhar situation. once the terrorists had got the upper hand then the situation was irretrievable.

this said, thereafter the goi should have hunted and killed the hijackers.

learn from israel-

after the killings of the 6 israeli hostages the
govt in israel will do their utmost to punish the
terrorists.

get their help by haveing israelis second their top people to india.

indian securety forces should be trained in israel, usa and britain.

and it should be a national objective to kill and destroy all who were involved in the attack
om mumbai and other indian cities.that includes the indian muslims who collaborated and helped the terrorists.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
129
The democratic Govt of Pakistan is just a "commercial break" between two military dictatorship and Zardari can as well put up a poster in his office saying "I AM THE PRESIDENT OF PAKISTAN AND I HAVE THE PERMISSION OF THE PAKI ARMY AND ISI TO SAY SO". Wasn't the control of PAKI ARMY and ISI evident when ZARDARI had to hastily withdraw the commitment he gave to our PM that "ISI CHIEF would be send to India" when PAKI ARMY and ISI intervened. The PAKI ARMY and ISI are meticulously following the "DEATH BY THOUSAND CUTS (HALLAL) path laid out by ZIA-UL-HUQ to disseminate India irrespective of the democratic facade of Pakistan. EARLIER OUR POLITICAL LEADERSHIP UNDERSTANDS THE BETTER IT WOULD BE FOR INDIA.
A Nair
Bangalore, India
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
128
Vijay's quote from tavleen:>>" If you notice the ease with which the Government of India labelled the Sadhvi and her colleagues as Hindu terrorists, you know that dangerous political games are being played that endanger India’s security."

You have not quoted what she says in the next paragraph:>>"Bharatiya Janata Party is as much to be blamed as the government. Its demand that Hindu terrorists be treated with respect is outrageous and irresponsible".

BJP does not ask for special respect for 'hindu terrorists', do they?. They only object to hindus being 'framed' as terrorists. But, psuedo-secular journalists enjoy playing moslems against hindus, so long as their own relig is neither.

>>"One of the blackest chapters in our war against Islamist terrorism is the shameful handling of the hijacking of IC 814. It is hard to forget the generosity Jaswant Singh showed in personally escorting Maulana Azhar Masood and Omar Sheikh to Kandahar"

The whole country approved the above, bec it saved the lives of over two hundred innocent indians and foreigners on the highjacked plane. If it had been allowed to be bombed off, the number of people killed would have been more than the number of casualties in mumbai!. Playing hindus against moslems, the churchian micrority of india is climbing to power, in govt and the media sectors.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
127
pinaki ray

you are one of those guys who cant walk and chew gum at the same time.

thats common amongst bongos- sorry for this catty remark,
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
126
"There is a war being waged against India by sophisticated, highly motivated mujahideen who believe their evil jihad has the sanction of Allah. To fight them we must first admit that there is a jihad. This neither Sonia Gandhi nor the Prime Minister is able to do for fear that they might hurt Muslim sentiments. They don’t appear to see that by not admitting that Islamist terrorism is a reality, they virtually condemn all Muslims as being part of the jihad. If you notice the ease with which the Government of India labelled the Sadhvi and her colleagues as Hindu terrorists, you know that dangerous political games are being played that endanger India’s security."

read: Tavleen Singh
http://www.indianexpres...s-wake-up-call/392302/2
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
125
ARUL FRANCIS
CLAYTON CALIFORNIA

"...
why not spend some of that money on knowledge xfr: so instead of saying to the french, we’ll buy 126 mirage jets at 30 mill each and six subs for 700 mill – wouldn’t it have been better to say: please lend us your experts in the counter-terrorism unit to ..."

I am appalled at your logic in analyzing the ghastly events! One counter should suffice -

Does it get into your head that without the Mirage fighters, IAF could not have turned the table in Kargil war ?
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
124
faruki

we know your arguments to defend muslim society.

we are bad, and so are you.

read nicholas kristoffs article in new york times
on treatment of muslim women.

women in most countries face violence. however
the law protects them. in muslim countries the law does not.

thats your god awful religion.

the international media is not lieing, and most
of the critical views are about the situation of muslim women in islamic countries.

you want to use the most cunning arguments to deflect criticism.its typical of you. and its
typical of muslims, who use deception and lies to
protect their foul religion.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
123
francis

well said.

india is spending billions of usd,s on fighter
jets, submarines, and missiles.

they have no money for modern weapons for the
police. they have no intention to select the right people for police services.

but then they have no intention of useing the weapons against pakistan.

the fighter jets are meant for fly pasts on republic day.

the submarines rust in naval ports.

what is required in good governance- by people
in the prime of life, not by people on life support or wheel chairs.

just look at the cabinet in delhi.

the pm is a pathetic character who is old,wornout
and completely out of depth. were it not that he was needed to perpetuate the gandhi dynasty he would be sitting in the library of the india
international centre.

the same goes for the others.

india needs good governance, and for this it needs good people. it has neither.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
122
oh, these conservative writers are just popping like popcorn, this is their moment-in-the-sun, hurling insults at liberals (denial! appeasement!) as if liberals approve of terrorist attacks. but they don't offer any good ideas. what do they want us to do: sleep with guns under our pillows? put a wall around every major city and make it a fortress? and their political scolding is just beside the point: would this attack have not taken place if we had a BJP govt in power? please! silly silly people.

“by the late 1990s … france had scored notable successes in preventing plannted terrorist attakcs on the world cup in 1998, against the Strasbourg Cathedral in 2000 and against the american embassy in paris in 2001. The improvements in French capacity to fight terrorism are the result of hard-won lessons”
Frm
http://www.brookings.ed...ows/shapiro20030301.pdf


what’s the use of wasting money on expensive gadgets that just sit idle when these terrible attacks take place, why not spend some of that money on knowledge xfr: so instead of saying to the french, we’ll buy 126 mirage jets at 30 mill each and six subs for 700 mill – wouldn’t it have been better to say: please lend us your experts in the counter-terrorism unit to help us set up something, we’ll pay you 70 mill for that KT

“The Indian air force has agreed to buy 126 Mirage jets from France - worth $30m each … The navy has also agreed to buy six submarines from France at a cost of $700m.”

Frm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3876401.stm

Arul Francis
Clayton, California
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
121
>>>>but still I am not prepared to believe it. It will be too much for the nation although, most of us know that we pass on our failures..."
RAHUL BANSAL
DELHI INDIA ##########

Well, Rahul, many times facts appear like fiction, and they may be more fantastic than fiction.

Congress is simply covering up their massive failure in protecting an important city, the financial hub of this country.
All the details of the terrorist operation have been put out by the Govt. machinery, as extracted by the police from a lone, arrested terrorist.
Who knows what he has been telling?
IB has taken up the investigation, and so there have been leakages to the press.
You can read some of these from Rediff.com.

According to one report there was a terrorist caught alive from the hotel Taj, and his name was published.
According to another report only one terrorist was caught alive on the road, from a Skoda car, who murdered people at CST and at a hospital.

But they say the actual fact was that the terrorist started out, from the hotel itself.

The metal detector ,sniffer dog etc., were only at the front of the hotel only, but not on the back side where there are purchase wing,kitchen,employee entry section etc., the hotel seem to have more than 8 (eight) exit points.
If the general public knows that , about 50 terrorist entered the city, and at least 12 of them made good their escape, Congress netas can not face the public ire. Their govt. has been an utter flop all along but this would be too much to bear.

Just by using our commonsense, without going in to technicals,we can say that it is impossible for just two people , to scoot and scoop and fire on Black Cat commandos, holding a big complex, for nearly three days !
Did the terrorists use any drugs so that they do not fall asleep. Did they survive just on badam pista,dry fruit.
Could they run,climb stairs up and down all the 60 hours ?
All the while remember, most professional,well trained commandos, were chasing them with a top down approach, chasing them from top floor.

It is impossible for two people to hold two large complexes against 220 commandos at each of the hotels!

And again 60 more commandos joined the force on Friday night.
Black Cats used most modern equipment. They have special equipment through which they can see through a closed window with curtains drawn, so that snipers can shoot .
The snipers wing has guns made in Italy using which they can accurately hit a target 2km away.
They had undergone training for the specific purpose of storming large complexes, and against hijack of airplanes.
How come two "fidayeen" can hold against such a large force ?

According to NSG director ,they did not find or recovered any RDX explosive material.
But according to Maharashtra Dy.CM , RDX was found, in four cases !
The terrorist bodies were tortured so much that according docs, it was impossible to recognize their faces. One terrorist was shot through both the eyes!
There are unclaimed bodies in the morgue.

Govt. is simply trying to cover up a massive failure.
bowenpalle venuraja gopal rao.
warangal, india
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
120
>> Islam considers women worse than dirt.

Not in the vast majority of Muslim households. The newspaper stories of dowry deaths from Hindu households still do not abate in spite of the laws on the books. Same applies to female foeticides. Shameful honor killings occur in Muslim families, but also in Hindu families both in India as well as in Hindu families in the US. It is stupid to point fingers at others. One should just try to improve conditions of women in one's own society. But idiots like you will never understand that.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
119
>> The remarks are scurrilous.

Not at all. You are a full time hate pracharak. You are following the evil teachings of the RSS to the hilt.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
118
>> The question is , Is AP one? I think so.

You think so because you are an idiot.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
117
>> I have asked AP this question at least six times and no answer.

There are 50 muslim majority countries in the world. The vast majority are free from terrorism. You should seek the information from the usual sources. I am not the answerman in this forum. Especially not for hate pracharaks like you.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
116
Rose says:

Please name a country where Muslims are in significant numbers that's free from terror?

- Senegal.
Biswapriya Purkayastha
Shillong, India
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
115
Rose says:

Please name a country where Muslims are in significant numbers that's free from terror?


- Senegal.
Biswapriya Purkayastha
Shillong, India
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
114
faruki

i support hindus who take up arms against your kind of people. we should not hesitate, allow
any criticism stand in our way. 10 buletts in answer for one. we should kill a hundred times
more of our enemies for each indian lost.

i read the usual sleazt pakistani,s claiming that the massacres were done by hindus or jews.

they are idiots like you. on the whole your sort can not reason- flee bitten dogs are more intelligent then you.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
113
stopperbhai,

>> jihadi sympathiser Anwar Patel.

This from a guy who has shamelessly supported Hindutva terrorists!!!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
112
Lalit,

>> the mumbai massacre has confirmed my opinion of your kind of people.

They were hate-filled bigots, so they were your kind of people.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
111
faruki

the mumbai massacre has confirmed my opinion of your kind of people.

shameless, immoral barbarians, and as azeem says we should 10 of your kind for every one they killed.

read the international media, and they have the lowest opinion about your kind.

bugger off to pakistan where you belong. dont
insult us with your presence.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
110
I am too stunned to comment - every place that was attacked is so familiar, I have been to every one of them and may times over - but implore our powers to be to make this a thumb rule to kill at least ten terrorists for every innocent killed. No talking or discussing anything before that.
I lost a school friend in this carnage, and another school friend lost both his parents (and incidentally this was a Muslim couple).
There is no religion when it comes to such cold blooded people. They are just blood hounds and have to be treated as such.
It is more than high time that we stop these nonsensical platitudes and get down to real hard hitting action to destroy evil from its very roots, no matter what the source.
Azeem Taqi
Nashville, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
109
I am too stunned to comment - every place that was attacked is so familiar, I have been to every one of them and may times over - but implore our powers to be to make this a thumb rule to kill at least ten terrorists for every innocent killed. No talking or discussing anything before that.
I lost a school friend in this carnage, and another school friend lost both his parents (and incidentally this was a Muslim couple).
There is no religion when it comes to such cold blooded people. They are just blood hounds and have to be treated as such.
It is more than high time that we stop these nonsensical platitudes and get down to real hard hitting action to destroy evil from its very roots, no matter what the source.

AZEEM TAQI
NASHVILLE UNITED STATES
Azeem Taqi
Nashville, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
108
Lalit,

>> he still believes after muslims have ravaged mumbai - and they were fanatical comitted muslims who did it-, that he will come and offer his sickening platitudes.

The Mumbai massacre has not made any dent in your empty headed bigotic posts, has it?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
107
I am too stunned to comment - every place that was attacked is so familiar, I have been to every one of them and may times over - but implore our powers to be to make this a thumb rule to kill at least ten terrorists for every innocent killed. No talking or discussing anything before that.
I lost a school friend in this carnage, and another school friend lost both his parents (and incidentally this was a Muslim couple).
There is no religion when it come to such cold blooded people. They are just blood hounds and have to be treated as such.
It is more than high time that we stop these nonsensical platitudes and get down to real hard hitting action to destroy evil from its very roots, no matter what the source.
Azeem Taqi
Nashville, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
106
Pradip,

>> No amount of use of foul language can hide your real intent.

How is a paranoid like you going to gauge my intent?

Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
105

Guys,

We're barking at the wrong tree.

1. India has miserably failed to foresee the terror attack.

2. Reasons are our own cheap politics.

3. When the country is on fire, The President is cooling herself in SEA.

4. The Chief Minister was smooching coconuts in Kerala.

5. The cops were under-trained and outdated.

6. The politicians were Neanderthals and nitpicking.

7. Media were revealing the secrets of the counter-terrorism acts and the weakness of the security.

8. The citizens were clueless.

When we have so many to blame, what's the point pin-pointing at Pakistan, though the truth is known to the world.

Bitchy behavior of Pakistan will not last long; AIDS will very soon inflict the attitude of rampaging a nation for no reasons.

However, Karma and Dharma will do its duty one day -- that time -- India must exist.
Sasi KC
Reston, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
104
Terrorist attack in Mumbai should be condemned in the strongest terms . it has become an accepted norms which merely reflects the culture of negligence and inefficiency of our so called competent government, police force, intelligence , navy and coastal guards and several other .But what is more baffling and worrisome is this all bloody system is flawed. It take almost decade to decide whether the” accused is culprit or not”, don’t you think this is a big question to our effective law and efficient government. The recurrent terrorist activities is not only an act to terrorise us but it is a big question to us “we will kill you like this only, what can you do”?,yes those bloody asked us this question and that also several times. Huge toil of life would go like this only until or unless we will retaliate the same to them. Now we need to bother about the results and not about the procedure or measure to curb it because the government will never realise what loss is? And we are equally responsible for it because very soon we become use to this kind of thing, one such incident took place and it bring about a knee jerk reaction to event as they happen and all were forgotten till the next incident. we do watch different channels, indulge in SMS, phones, wishing for the well being of the dear one’s and over. But now it is not acceptable, we are resilient by force not by choice and it is a wake up call for the stupid common man.
sunny akhouri
ranchi, India
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
103
ganesan

i agree with melanie phillips.

when ever we discuss terrorism in india, we go into all kinds of contortions to avoid useing the muslim word.-

people say terrorism has no religion. what a load of crap. islam inspires, demands terrorism.
its written in the koran.mohammet was an avid
practioner of violence,killing and worse. if the
prophet does all this, then its clear that muslims world wide will do it too.

westerners will now ask themselves. after mumbai whom.

faruki,s will blame the hindu terrorists, tamil
tigers, knowing damn well that compareing them
to islamic terrorism is like compareing a common cold to typhus and plague togather.

lets at least call terrorism by its right name.
if we are scared to say this, then how in hell are we going to fight these criminals and their
back offices manned by people like faruki.

maybe the powerful western countries should threaten to nuke 10 to 20 muslim cities in the
triangle of evil- in saudi arabia, pakistan,
afghanistan, somalia and whatever.

in conflicts its the stronger, and more powerful who prevail.perhaps just the threats may solve the problem.

muslim must know that heaven is not a sure thing. hell is,
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
102
""Introducing Manmohan Singh, India’s prime minister, to Laura Bush a few years ago, George Bush reportedly noted that India was a country of 150m Muslims and not a single al-Qaeda member" "

Seriously how do they find these things? That AL Queda has member from say Yemen but not from India? DOes the registration form of AL Queda include nationality, sex, home address , cell phone etc?

And I assume the info is loaded to a common database.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
101
Mark Steyn take on the blasts is real good


http://article.national...OWRmNTZjZTZmNDY=&w=MA==
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
100
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
99
Removing Shivraj Patil from Home Minister Portfolio is a greatest mistake of Man Mohan Singh and Sonia. Chidambaram do not understand security other than Finance stuff.
Any new position takes time to understand. Shivraj Patil knew most of the things but he was unable to deliver because of PM's peculiar Islamic mindset who used to lose his sleep on arrest of Muslim Terrorits. 4 years ago Man Mohan Singh asked Arjun Singh to greenize our education system by expunging hindu culture from school text books and filling it out with Mughal glories.
The real culprits are minority leaders who are ruling us under the cover of islamic secularism.
The anti-Hindu UPA leaders are saying time and again that Lord Ram do not exist. Can UPA leaders say the same to muslims that Allaah Do not exist ?
Mrs Bhanumati
Jhansi, UP, India, India
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
98
Sonia Gandhi and Man Mohan Singh are taking resignation from everyone. Shivraj Patil was made scapegoat probably because Congress coterie was not happy as Shivraj Patil did not ban Bajarang Dal and VHP. The main culprits are Sonia and Man Mohan Singh whose policies and ideologies helped India becoming an epicenter of Islamic terrorism.
I had been writing that Islamic secular UPA leaders will shift the label of epicenter islamic terrorism from Pakistan to India. It has already happened now.
UPA leaders has been working on Islamic agendas from first day of assuming power. It is believed that even PMO has Pakistani and Muslim sympathisers there. UPA leaders would never realise that "Musalmaan to Apnai Baap Kai Nahee Hotai Wai Hinduo Kaa Kyaa Hongai".
Mrs Bhanumati
Jhansi, UP, India, India
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
97
bodh

faruki is not just a skunk . he is god damned
naive.

he still believes after muslims have ravaged mumbai - and they were fanatical comitted muslims who did it-, that he will come and offer his sickening platitudes.

i have more respect for the terrorists then this creep. he would do the same in service of islam,
but all the time pretending he is an indian.

he is no indian. he is no american.
we all know him for a fanatical and dogmatic muslim.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
96
Anwar Patel

>>>Liar, I never aplologized for any terrorists.

No amount of use of foul language can hide your real intent. It is blidningly obvious despite your towering intellect to many morons like me.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
95
Bodh,

>> religiously defending Islam and its zany adhrents.

Seems you never have anything to say about the shameless hate spewers in this forum!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
94
Pradip Singh,

>> an apologist for the murderers.

Liar, I never aplologized for any terrorists. You have been doing it consistently for your Hindutva terrorists.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
93
Poor Faruki, the Ummah's official mouthpiece- always at the ready, religiously defending Islam and its zany adhrents, and whose pretence at abhorring the vileness of the Islamo-fascist crazies, spawned from a diet of venemous teachings of the Book by fundamentalist maulanas, is only matched by his unfailing attempts at equating those championing Hindu traditions with Islamo-fascist terrorism- nice try, Faruki, but it hasn't worked.
Maybe you could join forces with Burkha, Shabna, Arundhati, Teesta, Brinda and the rest of the so-called Pro-Islam 'secular front' as the mouthpiece of the "Indian Mujahadeen" or whatever B.S. name they choose to call themselves- they're still filthy, murdering, terrorist scumbags.
Bodh
Springfield, United States
Dec 01, 2008 12:00 AM
92
BOWENPALLE VENURAJA GOPAL RAO.
WARANGAL INDIA ----- you are bringing up an issue which has a lot of reality. Actually you are right, very hard to believe that two guys fought against 200 plus top quality soilders.
Still, I want to be blind and deaf to what you are saying....I don't want to think that was true. The way the government has reacted is also a good supporting fact, but still I am not prepared to believe it. It will be too much for the nation although, most of us know that we pass on our failures.
I just have a question for our biased media....why have they not mentioned a sngle word about those poor people who died at CST station, Cama Hospital and other places like the Leopold Cafe.....are they just talking about the rich and the affulent class....!
I am sad to see all that is going on....every one looks an oppurtunist here. Conducting a discussion at Taj by NDTV is no exception to that...this is an emotional crime that is being commited.
God bless India !
rahul bansal
delhi, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
91
Lalit,

>> drunk or sober i have 10 times more knowledgeable and intelligent.

That is incorrect English.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
90
Seshadri,

>> You are also only an 'intellectual terrorist' on these fora.

You are the one who spews hate and divisiveness in this forium. And I become a terrorist for calling a spade a spade!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
89
Anwar Patel

Your posts just reek of prejudice. We should not expect anything better from an apologist for the murderers.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
88
Pradip Singh,

>> Blaming Sangh, BJP, and Bajrang Dal is not the appropriate response (to Islamofascism).

It is not a complete response, but it is certainly a part of the response.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
87
>>>>You can almost hear the lunatic from the pulpit boasting that if 10 mujahjdeen could keep the Indian State at bay for 60 hours, imagine what a thousand could do.
VIJAY AGARWAL
NORTHAMPTON UNITED
KINGDOM##########
*****************************
*********

Mr.Vijay do not believe that everything is honkey dory in an operation of this kind.
According to Soviet expert on terrorism it is impossible to hold four large complexes for good 60 hours !
Just think, two guys, running up and down the floors , avoiding and attacking Black Cats, from Thursday to Saturday without sleeping? How long do you run? And even then how do you hold on to four complexes, for full one day and only two complexes another day without sleeping and offcourse without eating proper full meal.

Can any sensible person believe this?

I know many muslim youth are actually taking pride in the fact that only two "mujaheddens" could tackle 220 commandos!! and with excited voices they are narrating !!!

So, one soviet expert said there must have been, 50 terrorists ,and they must have been from one of those commando units trained by none other than USA itself ,,against the Soviets during the Afghanistan problem.
According to many retired special units officers of India, they were , trained commandos of the Pakistan's "SSG" which was trained by USA.
What our IB says?
According to the leaked (also read, rediff.com ) information, the terrorists came to Mumbai at least in four batches !!
At least two fresh terrorists joined their companions inside the Taj , while the firing was going on, in the dead of the night,even when the army surrounded the Taj (may be through drianage system)!
They knew more than NSG about the Taj.
According to IB, at least four were there as guests with rooms stocked with enough food and ammunition,medicines,communication equip. etc.,
Two more which the public knows joined them after their entry through back door kitchen.

According to unofficial reports from the sleauths of IB, it is almost clear, that at about 12 terrorists escaped from the city after creating fear,terror on the streets and escaped from the country as well through sea route !!!

Two could have escaped right from the Taj, while the hostages have been rescued.
For example one guest escaped , he was hardly noticed by any security ring outside!!
So inside, Hotels, at least 8 to 10 people faught with NSG. But Soviets say there must be 50 and no less than that.
The doctors who did postmortem say that terrorist bodies were tortured so much that it was hard to recognise them.! Only police said they were terrorists and doctors have to belive.

Definitely some of them ran out of ammunition, while in action,must have been caught alive. But official reports says (mutually contradicting reports)it caught only two terrorists alive in Taj.
bowenpalle venuraja gopal rao.
warangal, india
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
86

Dear Indians,

We've talents to think, act, and implement the best plans in the world.

However, each wise plan, good for India must cross the bridge of politics. The bridge, by both sides, crowded by all those opposition parties and goons.

Opposition means to oppose anything that is not carried out by their parties.

Our desi politicians are keen to hog the limelight by implementing best policies/laws by themselves. They don't want some other politicians or political parties to implement as people will recognize only them as leaders and vote for them. Then the oppositions will not have a point to prove or an agenda to go back to the people.

Our politicians want to see as many problems as possible across India so that people look up at / out for some messiahs (that they think, it could be politicians).

Politicians are afraid of problem-free India that they will be ignored by the people or not have a reason to politic and survive.

The redundant security forces allotted for all those Ministers and Politicians are utter ridiculous when the people who elected them pay more taxes and avail very very less security. If they're afraid of their own people, then they should not have got into politics. Or if they feel they're afraid of some foreign elements then their politicking governments in India is not properly functioning. Either argument, we take, there's something missing in the middle. That's political ignorance of being stupid and ephemeral about personal gains.

Politicians will only understand when their kids are killed or attacked by terrorists. Until then, whatever we say, they'll pretend to have understood the sensitivity of the issues.

This is the last chance for India to awake, arise, and act.

The tragedy is: killing a dead duck like Mr. Shivraj Patil who, by any chance, is not a Super Man or Bat Man or Spider Man to save India from the terrorists and replacing him with another duck which is, all aspects, the same and of no difference.

The age-old style of succumbing to the political pressure in the wake of failure and resigning will only keep the country back on the same old track of goofing up things.

Was Shivraj Patil the cause for all the terrorist attacks?

By the time, Mr.Palanivel Chidambaram understands the portfolio of Home Ministry, the Election Commission will ring the bell and say, "go home and come back again if you win."

I don't understand how come,most of the time, the kith and kins of all the Ministers and Politicians are safe when the whole country feels vulnerable and weak to all kinda attacks.

Are they part of the conspiracy plans??? Or

Do they know it in advance?
Sasi KC
Reston, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
85
Learned,

>> The jihadis are following the teachings in the Book.

According to ignoramuses like you! You are following the evil teachings of your shakha to the hilt. The literature and schools of the RSS have spread more poison in India than all the madrasas combined.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
84
" Kargil is not too distant - whose side these people will be on ??? "

Mr Aggarwal

Why this question ? They are with Ummah.But still 99% + Muslims are with India.And feel proud.Number of Muslims killed or maimed is on ethird as oer thre Govt site.

They have started to realise their present and future is with India.A few hard cores are not with us.You find many such creatures doing enemy's job here.
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
83
It is shocking to see that despite this challenge to our existence as a nation for infinite future, the issue has been considered only worth a discussion around Sonia Gandhi's kitchen table, among the usual, thoroughly discredited tweedle dum tweedle dee crowd.
KSC Nair
Indianapolis, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
82
An hour ago I was watching the NDtv program "We the People" anchored by Burkha Dutta in the precincts of the devastated Taj Hotel hotel, Mumbai, where Simi Garewal was shouted down by a Pakistani sympathiser when she disclosed that Pakistani flags were unfurled in some quarters of the Mumbai. I was rather piqued by Burkha's stance that she asked evevry one else in the meeting to remain quiet while this gentleman continued defending - very very loudly and aggressively - Pakistan.

One clearly is bound to draw the obvious conclusion that there must be lot of people in India who sympathise with Pakistan rather than their own fellow citizens who were killed and maimed by this attack. After all, no matter how one puts it - a daily occuring "Hadsa" in Maha's HM RR Patil's words - IT IS AN ACT OF WAR. The prospcet is quite worrying if India does find itself in a real war like situation, as it has frequently done in the past - Kargil is not too distant - whose side these people will be on ???
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
81
These idiot netas have learnt nothing from all the previous attacks, especially with an ineptly and incompetently-run security apparatus which is in utter shambles, hobbled by corrupt, self-serving netas whose only concern is pleasing their minority vote-banks- so expect more of the same.
Here's country with delusions of grandeur, wanting to be among the big-leaguers yet behaving like puny banana republics, and with infrastructure and mind-set to match. As long as there is a Pakistan and as long as there are Muslims, India will never be free of terror attacks.
Bodh
Springfield, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
80
This is all the fault of politicians - like Advani, Rajnath, Mulayam, Mayawati, even Shivraj Patil.

Sonia Mata and her entourage are of course above all this. The fact that her servant MMS is PM and supposedly in charge of running the country is just a coincidence.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
79
"The more we blame (at each other); the more we surrender (to enemies)."

Jai India!
SASI KC

Thank brother for the most wise post.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
78
"'There Would Be A Cost...'

PATIL WILL BE DISMISSED !

COST AFFECTED !
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
77


Dear Indians,

I'll blame none but India/Indians for the state of affair we've been into in the recent past.

We always fail to play our game correctly and foul cry eventually.

The terror attack was at the Taj Mahal hotel, a muslim name. Meaning, terrorism does not seem to have any religious objectives. It looks like Islam in India is not respected by the Islamic world as real Islam. They use Indian Islam as a foot soldier or a filler to meet the sinister objectives of those Islamic radicals. Our Indian Muslims must realize it.

As long as the political differences kept aside and unilaterally pro-Indian, politics-free laws and policies are enacted, India will be the soft target by any amateurish attacks.

The I&B ministry again failed to advocate the TV channels in India that they should not live telecast anything that disturbs the national integrity and sovereignty.

I'm sure, after the CM of Maharashtra requested the private channels, I believe most of the channels abstained from broadcasting the attack. The same could have been done with NDTV and IBN.

It's sad to see Mr. Prannoy Roy, Srinivas Jain, and Burkha Dutt having understood the sensitivity of the attack, they literally lived at the spot and broadcasting all the external moves from the outside. I believe the footage were MMSed to the terror chief and communicated back to the perpetrators inside the Taj, Trident,and Nariman House. These educated professionals must know when to telecast,what to telecast, and what extent to telecast. Responsibility lies with every single Indian. Stop blaming politicians all the time, though they might have goofed up their part.

When MMS and Advani could not make it to the spot together, at 8PM, Mr.Prannoy Roy was politicizing that these politicians could not come together even for a single moment. Mr.Roy did not have to say it because it was like adding fuel to the fire and making people feel further more bad.

Media freedom must understand the integrity and sensitivity of the information being broadcast. Just for the sake of eyeballs and TRP ratings, the private channels should not be as opportunistic as politicians. Then, there is no difference between who is the pot, who is the kettle, and who is black.

Within few minutes after firing the last two boys at the Taj, I saw Mrs.Burkha Dutt getting into the rampage inside the hotel and started casually covering beats until the cop came shouting "jao" "jao". She must act to her common sense and social responsibility.

When India is surprised by the attacks, Media behaves like a different entity to capture the emotions for the heck of their revenue model. NDTV and CNN-IBN should not fight neck-to-neck to prove who's faster, better, and clearer in broadcasting.

It's not only the Government of India who should be responsible for the pride and safety of India but also each Indian who reside in India or outside India who without fail must give a hand to stand united and keep the flame and glory of India.

The more we blame (at each other); the more we surrender (to enemies).

Jai India!
Sasi KC
Reston, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
76
"A furious Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi left Shivraj patil no choice but to resign. She minced no words. 'We can not sit back'.


So now Pakistan will stop sending Terrorists as we did not sit back and sacked Patil ??
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
75
TOTAL LOSS OF THE ATTACK FOR US IS 4000 CRORES.OUT OF WHICH 500 CRORES FOR TAJ ALONE.

Please send the Bill to Sonia,Manmohn ,Sib Raj Patil and others who did nothing to save us and Mumbai.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
74
NDTV

MATA HAS SPOKEN.

A furious Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi left Shivraj patil no choice but to resign. She minced no words. 'We can not sit back'.

A profound statement while Advani and Rajnath were playing petty politics.

This episode and the fortnightly attacks are the fault of everyone except Sonia Mata. She is above narrow politics. She is the Mata of the nation - to be revered and not drawn into narrow politics.

Mata/Mata's son/Mata's son's girlfriend/Mata's daughter/Mata's son - in law are the true saviours of the nation. They are ALWAYS above reproach. If servants make mistake, they will be reprimanded. Beware MMS.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
73
"whether we like it or not the LeT's successful fidayeen attack on Mumbai is the best recruitment messages for hordes of impressionable Muslim youth. You can almost hear the lunatic from the pulpit boasting that if 10 mujahjdeen could keep the Indian State at bay for 60 hours, imagine what a thousand could do.

After Mumbai, jihadis will not recoil in horror at the devastation their colleagues have done; they will intensify their campaign and engage in competitive bravado. The prospects for the future are horrifying.

The ineptitude of our internal security apparatus has been exposed before the whole world. We can either act or decide that we are incapable of performing any better. In which case sheer self-preservation demands we outsource the job of R&AW and IB to Mossad or MI6 or CIA-depending on our preferences."

read:
http://www.outlookindia...name=saikat&sid=1&pn=1#
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
72
NDTV and IBN are most Islamic media i have ever seen. If they find anything bad related to Hindus they will start 24x7 rants against hindus and they would invite tons of anti-hindu seculars to their forums for debates. They never took more than one hour to coin the Hindu Terror. These bastards do not know what would be implications of those words. The bitch Burkha Dutt is the hardcore islamist and looks like she married to Muslim. Of course shameless islamic UPA government is their God Father. The word Hindu terror was music to the ears of UPA leaders, and their followers muslims and anti-national secular hindus.
Muslims are terrorists not from today but from the inception of islamic in Saudi Arabia. Prophet Mohammed was murderer of lakhs of non-muslims. He grabbed his son's beautiful wife Zainab and married her.
Mrs Bhanumati
Jhansi, UP, India, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
71
Media like IBN-NDTV are the root cause of all these mess we all are in. They say a proverb something to the effect of "Yesterday's Crime, Today's Justification and Tomorrow's Legislation".

Since all your Media and their Govt of Axis of Evil effectively doing that second part, there will be one day in a different republic of India, when the Indian Govt will be feebly protesting the Jihadis against the excess kafirs killed than the officially APPROVED toll for a given period. This is dfntly not an exaggeration at all, this will surely happen in a decade or two, if this Axis of evil and its media has any semblance of power left in it's arms.
Narayan
Zurich, Switzerland
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
70
It is high time Islam should be banned. In Kashmir it should be made mandatory and every muslim girl must marry hindus only.
Mrs Bhanumati
Jhansi, UP, India, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
69
It is high time Islam should be banned. In Kashmir it should be made mandatory and every muslim girl must marry hindus only.
Mrs Bhanumati
Jhansi, UP, India, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
68
faruki

drunk or sober i have 10 times more knowledgeable
and intelligent then vermin like you.

you belong to a foul, ignorant, mostly illeterate
community which consists of

aaa somalians- who are the lowest form of life

bbb sudanan muslims- barbarians, rejected by all

ccc pakistani,s - gods curse on humanity, along with their brothers in india and bangladesh.

imagine if these people about 600 million were bundled togather. stone ages would look benign and heavenly in comparison.

and faruki is proud to be a muslim.

he fully deserves all that follows.

strangely this idiot interacts with us
nonmuslims. why ?- can he explain, considering
he is spat and pissed upon by most of us.

Even a dog would have more self respect.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
67
learned

"they follow a sick or perverse form of Islam"

Thats true of most muslims-

There is no other islam to follow.

Mohammet has shown by example what islam is all about.

Killing all who refused to accept him as a prophet, and this is what muslims have done where ever they are in power.

In Pakistan the minorities have been bullied,
forced to convert, through use of barbaric blasphemy laws.

Faruki,s are past masters at pretence and lies-

Anyway who disagrees with him is a sanghi, an empty headed bigot.

All in all I feel immensely better read, and
knowledgeable, respected in Danish society, and am furious at the crass impudence of this man.

As Shobha De said in TV. Enough is enough.

Muslims must be told. No more will we accept explanations and excuses for anti national behaviour. Like wise to the succular NGO,s.
You will be labelled as traitors for your constant shielding of bigots and traitors.

India needs some inspireing leaders like Churchill De Gaulle or from more recent times Jack Kennedy. The heroes of these fucking so called liberals are MMS, Sonia, Mayawati, Laloo
Prasad, and that decietful corrupt rat Amar Singh.

Its a shame- that 1.1 billion people can not provide inspireational leadership.

I watched Mr Ratan Tata- honest, principled and
dareing. We need him or some one like him at the helm of affairs. MMS and Sonia should be packed
of to st Elba, along with their entire entorage.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
66
There is more than an element of truth in what Balwinder says.

But that should not be allowed to distract us from the central fact - which is that this is an attack on ALL of us. Rich and poor. Hindus and Muslims. Everyone.

And we have no choice but to fight as one people.

And that does not mean absolving he guilt of this thoroughly incompetent government led by Sonia and her stooges. They are on the side of the murderers - because knowingly or unknowingly they provide succour to the murderers - by raising smokescreens like 'Hindu terror'.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
65
AP:>>"Bhanumati, >> Then why 99% muslims are terrorists ? >>" So do I belong to a 1% minority? I didn't know that!"

No. Only nazeem, et.al., belong the non-terrorist class of moslems. You are also only an 'intellectual terrorist' on these fora.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
64
since some people other than aam aadmi got affected in this terror attack there is a commotion in political circles. result would be that big hotels and establishments will be duly protected like vip's in future. aam aadmi would continue to face the same rot and uncertainty unless stringent measures like accountability in governace are not put into the system.
balvinder
chandigarh, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
63
This is an attack on India, not on Hindus or Muslims.

And that is how it should be fought.

That said, the Indian Muslims should understand that there is a worldwide Islamic fascist crusade going on and it is important that they stop these murderers from using Islam as an excuse to inflict despicable attacks on innocent people. Blaming Sangh, BJP, and Bajrang Dal is not the appropriate response. The apporpriate repsonse is to lead from front the fight against these murderers AND their sympathizers (eg. Laloo Yadav, Ramviilas Paswan, Arjun Singh et al.)

Islamic Fascism is a fact and raising smokescreens such 'Hindutva terror' effectively means providing succour to the enemies of the nation.

If there are any terrorists in the Hindu community, they should be dealt with sternly. But to compare so called 'Hindu terror' to the blindingly obvious world wide Islamic fascist jihad is dishonest, hypocritical and ulimately will work against the interests of not just India or Hindus but ALSO the Muslim community.

This is our war. And we have to fight this war together with honesty and inegrity.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
62
"Where was the police? Where was the Anti-Terrorist Squad? Its chief, Hemant Karkare (undoubtedly a very brave officer, who lost his life in the battles that raged through the night) apparently received a death threat from Pune a few days before the mayhem but his own unit did not bother: they were all busy playing games on behalf of political masters. Complacence and politics gave the terrorists more protection than silence or deception could.

Terrorists may have a religion but death has none. In the first roll-call of death issued by the JJ Hospital, the name next to Karkare was that of
Mastan Qureshi. There were six Hindus, four Muslims and two foreigners, presumably Christians, on that list.

Indians are tough. We have fought off Muslim terrorists in Kashmir, Sikh terrorists in Punjab, Christian terrorists in Nagaland, and Hindu terrorists in Assam and across the country (the Naxalites). But ineffectual leadership is turning a tough nation into a soft state. We should have been world leaders in the war against terrorists, for no nation has more experience. Instead we are wallowing in the complacent despair of a continual victim.

Some three years ago, Dr Manmohan Singh told George Bush that there were no terrorists among Indian Muslims. Perhaps he was unaware of the 1993 Mumbai bombings. Perhaps he wanted to please two constituencies: Bush, who needed a certificate for his view that democracy was the cure for all evil; and local Muslims, who were not being given jobs but could always be offered the consolation prize of a pat on the back.

Dr Singh certainly did not fool any terrorists. The Lashkar-e-Taiba might even have interpreted such self-congratulation as a challenge.

I am proud of being an Indian Muslim. Like any Indian, I am angry, frustrated and depressed. I am angry at the rabid dogs of war. I am frustrated by the tone-deaf impotence of government. I am depressed at the
damage being done to my India. "


http://timesofindia.ind...sid-3774145,curpg-2.cms



SO ARE CRORES OF INDIANS .AKBAR YOU HAVE SPARED NON !!
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
61
Part II "There is a strong Muslim element in the Mumbai mafia. Bereft of either loyalty or morality, it can be easily lured into fantasies of revenge by its contacts in Karachi. Aggression is a psychological necessity of this trade, so the offer of havoc has the lure of a lethal snake. It lives in a unique mental and economic zone, different from the rest of India as well as India’s largely impoverished Muslims.

The initial reaction of some Indian Muslims to Mumbai was denial, a manifestation of their fear of retribution by both the state and the people. Some theories coasting on the net were particularly stupid. The paradox of fear is evident in contradictory manifestations: at one level, an urgent desire to find evidence of conspiracy by either the Mossad or Hindutva elements; at another level, to retreat into the comfort zone of familiar folly, like hope for security from the party that has betrayed them most often. The community will not be able to recognize necessary truths, both within and without, unless it can rub fear out of its eyes.

The most significant part of the outrage should not be obscured by the drama of events. Hypnotized by attack, we should not become oblivious of defence. We have been defeated by incompetent governance, both in Mumbai and Delhi. Facts will take more time to emerge. But perhaps up to 60 men hit nine targets in coordinated waves. This could not have happened without months of planning. Resources — weapons, rations, money — were mobilized; a small army trained across two countries; targets studied, routes finalized, transport organized, sleeper cells put in place. We learn that terrorists may have been living at the Taj for days, ferrying arms into what was surely turned into a war-room. Men arrived by sea, linked up with compatriots on land and launched multiple attacks. This must have involved hundreds at the planning stage, and the massive infrastructure of government discovered nothing. Where was the '
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
60
'Toothless leaders turn tough nation into soft state

Does it need grief to unite us? Where was Raj Thackeray when anonymous heroes from across the nation saved Mumbai from rabid vultures? Why did he not issue a diktat that he did not want any Bihari or Haryanvi or Malayali commando to save Mumbai?

2. The Maharashtra government looked hopelessly helpless before an invasion propelled by Pakistanis and navigated by a local, subversive fifth column.

3. Perhaps the low moment came around 8.30 on Thursday morning. While flames, gunfire, chaos mingled with shock a spokesman for the state government told CNN that the “situation is under control”. Yes, if you live in Somalia.

Hidden under grime and neglect, perhaps there is a little Somalia within Mumbai, waiting to burst out and infect the body politic. This sinewy, seamless nether world is nourished by the “black economy”, and has contempt for authority since it feeds, twice a day, the grubby hand of a policeman. Organized crime requires both sophisticated management and corrupt law enforcement agencies.

The underworld does not live in isolation; smuggling is a multinational enterprise. Once it was gold; today it is drugs. Only the naïve are aghast at the thought that ships from Karachi are landing in Mumbai. Each day ships are being loaded in Sindh with street-ready drugs from Afghanistan for the lucrative markets of rising India. Do the stars of Bollywood, the money-shifters of Dalal Street, the dolled up celebrities of Mumbai’s many hills — indeed, from the wealth bracket of many of the guests at Taj on Wednesday night — never ask how their hallucinatory puff has reached them?

The Mumbai mafia, with support from the police-politician partnership, has brought this puff to your party — via Pakistan. "

continued
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
59
"Please stop playing politics with human lives. "
MUZAMIL NAZIR

LET EVERY INDIAN CITIZEN OF INDIA KNOW THIS FACT :

30 % of the dead or injured are Muslims in Mumbai carnage.A Muslim Kureshi family who missed their train by a few minutes were waiting on VT Station were point blankly shot dead.

Another 17 years old Muslim boy went up and down with NSG Commondoes at Nariman House to show the lay out the building .

In the crowd near Narman House which shouted Bharat Matta ki jai after the operation was over, there were hundereds of muslims shouting loudly.

It is also a fact the as per the reports the arrested Terrorists has named some locals.Wait for the names.

And the Master of the Trawler who brought these bastard killers was on eAMar Singh .The man must have known what the Terroists intended to do .He did not hav ethe guts to sacrifice his life to save hunderds of innocents.Amar must have known he too will be killed soon like the five of his crew.

He could have steered the boat to some Coast Gaurd Station.Amar Singh was in Pak Custody for six months for straying in Pak waters previously.

Was he an ISI agent ?? We will know many many small but vital information soon .

BUT A FEW THING STAND OUT :

1 OUR POLITICIANS OF ALL HUES AND COLOURS BETRAYED US .

2 THE TERRORISTS HAVE LOCAL SUPPORT AND SAFE HEAVENS .How many are still hiding and awaiting to strike next ??

3 Police,Navy .Coast ,Gaurds have been warne don 19th that attack is imminent from Sea side.Modi too warned of atatck in next 48 hours.

FOR A CHANGE the much abused ATS headed by Karkare too sent the information to Mumbai Police that RDX was being smuggled in by Sea route .

All were sleeping.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
58
If The famous saying that "what you do will stay on AFTER YOU HAVE LEFT" is applied to the UPA Govt, there is very little the PM and Ms Sonia to have to cheer about. The UPA Govt they controlled for the last almost five years have taken India to the most precarious position both economically and internal security wise. On a similar wane, What ever the initial euphoria noticed during the first few years of UPA rule was because of the after effects of the NDA Govts efficient five years rule.
A Nair
Bangalore, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
57
Mumbai bleeds and is always sliced by terrorists. but let me tell you it is we who make their aims successful. what the media is claiming today that the terrorists arrived via sea route. but my question is what our navy people were doing at that nick of time. when they already knew about the plots of terrorists. You know what our govt is doing now they are putting out blame on pakistan and trying to divert the attention of the people. this kind of plot is impossible without internal assistance and aid that we all know.

Please stop playing politics with human lives.

muzuism@gmail.com
Muzamil Nazir
new delhi, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
56
No Discussion, Dismantle Pakistan.
Devendra Patel
Ahmedabad, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
55
The interrogation reports are bewildering.
After all this fanatic terrorist , who looks like the one escaped from a mental hospital, actually did NOT come by boat, or reached here on the day, by an hijacked fishing vessel.
He had been staying at Hotel Taj for the last one week and received many visitors as well, and was stockpiling up ammunition. plastic explosive material

2) According to THE HINDU and other reports, it seems that security forces have nabbed three terrorists alive but officially that Dy.CM of Maharastra declares that only one terrorist was caught alive.

3) According to the interrogation reports they got local support including accommodation, police nakabandhi, checking, police station locations etc.,
But according to Maharastara Dy.CM , there is no local report at all.

4) According to some urdu news paper and TV channel , the terrorist spoke
excellent Marathi.!!!!

5) There were coordinated attacks by the local terrorists, to help these terrorists who came from Pakistan. In these coordinated attacks, at least three Bomb explosions took place on the streets, including one in a taxi's trunk.

6) The fact that terrorists have bank credit cards, dollars in cash shows that at least some of those who went out with AK-47 and backpacks started out from the hotel itself.
May be they acquired ammunition and AK-47 outside.

The sequence of events also does not seem to match many descriptions.
There was at least 45 to one hour gap between the murder at CST (railway station) and the firing they opened on the people from an hijacked police van (Toyota qualis).
In this one hour they must have done the carnage including the killing of top police
officers, at Metro theatre and at Cama&Albless Hospital. That is what the terrorist who is caught alive is telling the police.
He says his colleague (killed by police in Skoda car) was also staying with him
in the hotel Taj.

According to some accounts, there were totally 20 persons, with back packs landed at sea shore.

But the total dead bodies of terrorists seem to be only nine. According to some reports only 8 were dead.
bowenpalle venuraja gopal rao.
warangal, india
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
54
Shivraj Patil has resigned. So he is the scapegoat.

It is a good start but it is the UPA govt that must go. Manmohan Singh cannot chicken out of responsibility by throwing Patil to the wolves.

As I said before, had Manmohan Singh showed half the interest he showed for the nuke deal wrt terrorism, things might have been better.

Manmohan Singh wanted to be remembered as the guy who got the nuke deal. That has been nuked now. He will be remembered as someone who had no clue about terror.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
53


After the All Parties meeting today, I expect India waging WAR against Pakistan with immediate effect.

India must attack the regions occupied/used by the radicals.

Pakistan failed to contain them; India should not.

Bomb Pakistan with immediate effect!
Zak
NY, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
52
Hang Mohammad Afzal a.k.a Afzal Guru, Now. Is UPA a bunch of eunuchs or has every minister been bought by Paki Money!

As you all know, Mohammad Afzal, also known as Afzal Guru, was convicted of conspiracy in the December 2001 attack on the Indian Parliament and was sentenced to death by the Supreme Court of India in 2004. The sentence was to be carried out on 20 October 2006. The sentence is now stayed.

That's right Ladies and Gentlemen - only one country can do the impossible - Stay the sentence of a mass murderer.

Makes you wonder, if every official and politician has been bought by Pakistani money apart from the fact they are callous, incompetent, criminal and not even fit to be fed to the dogs. Do these morons forget that the attack was on the parliament where they conduct their business!!!!

Don't forget that Seven members of the security forces, including a female constable, were killed in that heinous attack.

Just look at the supporters of this b@stard;

There is pressure to issue clemency to Afzal from political groups in Kashmir.. Muslim groups have also supported the mercy petition for Mohammad Afzal. Arundhati Roy and Praful Bidwai castigated the trial.

Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Ghulam Nabi Azad of the Congress, Communist and local political groups voiced their support of clemency for Afzal. It is alleged many have done so to appease Muslim voters in Kashmir.

The Jammu and Kashmir People's Democratic Party president and MP, Mehbooba Mufti said that the Centre should pardon Mohammad Afzal if Pakistan accepted the clemency appeal for Sarabjit Singh. Is this biach plain DUMB or a Retard!!!

Luckily, there are some patriotic voices;

However, The All India Anti-Terrorist Front Chairman M.S. Bitta has urged the President of India not to accept any clemency pleas on Afzal's behalf. He warned that his organisation would launch agitations if Afzal was pardoned. He also criticised statements of various political leaders and blamed them for "encouraging activities of militants in J&K.

On November 12, 2006, Advani, the ex Deputy PM of India, criticized the delay in carrying out the death sentence on Mohammad Afzal for the Parliament terror attack.

He commented, "I fail to understand the delay. They have increased my security. But what needs to be done immediately is to carry out the court's orders".

Why is this mixed breed mogrel still living and mocking the Indians!
Does anyone know!
Maybe I shouldn't even be asking this question - once we brought in an illiterate Italian to lead our country, we wrote our own death sentence. May be we deserve all this.
escoss
delhi, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
51
"Don't forget that terrorists attacked parliament when POTA was in effect"

Parliament attack happened in Dec 2001. POTA was enacted in mid 2002. I dont know about Phoenix but in India, 2001 came first and then 2002 came.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
50
>> In its two years in existence, POTA had a pretty good success rate. POTA was repealed in 2004. 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 have seen myriad terror attacks.

Don't forget that terrorists attacked parliament when POTA was in effect. The parliament attack was much more serious than this one.
There has been spike terrorist incidence in last 2 years because there were contribution from both Hindutwa and islamic extremists.

Politics apart, fact is that there has been no response of terrorist attacks originated from Pakistan. Obviously these jehadis and ruling establishment get emboldened each time. It is time give fitting reply, not diplomatically but with sheer force.
Rajesh
Phoenix, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
49

TIME FOR HONESTY:

India has some serious fundamental problems. Blaming every terror attack at Pakistan is India's inability; washing off hands on terrorists/terrorism is Pakistan's hypocrisy. The cat and mouse game must come to an end.

While your house is not in order, no point blaming at your neighbors for all the mess up you've created politically. India must now bite the bullet and fine-tune itself in many a front in due course. Terror attacks in India never take place without local support. Meaning, India has a bug in itself. First clear all those bugs residing within India, then look out for external bugs. When we saw those commandos fighting, the scenario reminded as though it had been happening in a developed country. India did reply fittingly. However, how long are we gonna firefight and beat our chests hypocritically. The Mumbai mayhem was like, the ' leaving the head and catching the tail' scene.

India has all the resources in stock, only thing it'll have to fine-tune and make them fall in place. We need to have a serious thought here as 10 guys could rattle the peace and stability of India within 4 days and made the world sadly look at India while we try hard to get the global attention in every silly thing we do in India.

Terrorist attacking Mumbai was not the first mistake but letting them to enter into the Indian waters, no differentiating guys with arms when they casually walked on the streets, etc, etc. Postmortem never makes one happy. India must seriously think and act that it's weak and vulnerable to enemies. The carelessness and loopholes created by every government and politicians will haunt them without resistance and have just started backfiring.

Unless each government decision maker feel and behave honestly placing country first and personal greed next, India will be a land of inexplicable events like this.

It's sad to see a corrupt president who's enjoying her South East Asian tour while the country is shell-shocked with the attack. This is not the first time the President has been officially honeymooning. Last time, during the Karnataka chaos, she had been cooling her heels in a hill station. We're not sure if India gets into trouble when she cools off or the taxation money feels the crunch when she ventures out.

I'll not be surprised if the Terrorists invade and kidnap all the VVIPs from India and display them on a blurred TV screen surrounded by scarfed personnel chanting their belief - sorry to predict so, hopefully not.

India should retrospect and be honest to itself that why they're continually attacked for no reasons. India is attacked not for any reasons but for its weakness to bounce back. There's no pride in healing the wound or preventing the hurt but there will certainly be some pride when we catch the hunters red-handed and hang them.

In cricket terminology, India must well be front-footed henceforth. As long as you're back-footed, the bounce and swings of terrorists will haunt them forever for no reasons.

Imagine! they target our entire cricket team or a crew of a star-studded film or a school or a shopping mall or a cinema hall or a complete train....

It's high time public understands the needs of security checkup in public places and obey them for the sake of those unknown innocent lives.

Where have those 'Janta' Regional / National leaders or Human Rights Activists or Film Stars????

Without honesty, India will find it very difficult to pull off a victory against terrorism.

Jai India!
Sasi KC
Reston, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
48
One of the our shortcomings which stands out in this outrage is the fact that the magnitude of ever stalking danger of terrorism has not been imbibed proportionately by our official agencies. Naturally, ordinary people, who could have reported something amiss when 'un-fishermen like' men landed in dingies in fishermen's landing area, carrying unusual baggage. Even now, do we understand how big these things are-why did'nt the PM offer to resign- why was'nt Shivraj Patil, Anthony, Mukherjee and Narayanan(NSA)asked to leave? Danger should not only be noticed, but the gravity of each should be seen as having been fully graduated. GOD BLESS INDIA.
KSC Nair
Indianapolis, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
47
Seshadri,

>> ...in your last days of exulting existence.

Another mullahist curse?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
46
Lalit,

>> you were born a muslim.. what a hell of bad luck.

Stop drinking and go to bed!

Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
45
AP:>>"butts of jokes. Just like you".

Glad to be of some satisfaction to jokers like you, in your last days of exulting existence.

v.seshadri
chennai, india
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
44
So Manmohan Singh, if the report in NDTV is true, is going to convene an all party meet to enact a new anti-terror law and to form a federal agency.

After all the talk about existing law being sufficient and POTA was misused, the govt is back to square one. In its two years in existence, POTA had a pretty good success rate.
POTA was repealed in 2004. 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 have seen myriad terror attacks.

While 2003 and early 2004 were mostly terror free.

Ganesan
Nj, USA
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
43
faruki

you were born a muslim.

what a hell of bad luck,

you dont have to spend your miserable life
defending this foul religion, and dogmatic muslims.

the pope said his honest opinion, but ofcource it would not make any difference to you.

you will die a muslim. be assured that after this
you will not be going to heaven. if there should be a heaven ,skunks like you will not be allowed in. for once i hope that muslims are not allowed in. if they do, then the rest will leave.

imagine you are in this huge billion plus who consist of somalians, pakistanis, bangladeshi, and indian muslims.

can one imagine a worse crowd of illiterate, backward, and dangerous people.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
42
>> It is often forgotten that such an input is just one of a thousand inputs the vast majority of which had turned out to be false.

Remember to tell it to Jaiswal next time he accuses a Modi or a Raje for failing to act on Central intelligence.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
41
Seshadri,

>> I did not know that islam had separate kinds of mullahs for villages and metro-cities.

The village mullahs are often butts of jokes. Just like you.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
40
Lalit,

>> pope quoteing the emperor emmanuel.

The Pope trying to propagate his faith.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
39
AP:>>"You speak the language of the village mullah!"

I did not know that islam had separate kinds of mullahs for villages and metro-cities. You should know better, of course.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
38


USA is waiting for a chance to bomb Pakistan.

India, please join the USA and UN forces and pound Pakistan when they sleep.

Pound those camps in Pakistan, which does not come under the purview of the Pakistan government.

Bomb them; pound Pakistan.

Diplomacy after terror attack is an cover-up act and crocodile tear.

Don't believe Pakistan but bomb them with immediate effect.

It's common sense, the dingy/boat must be from Pakistan, any kid will understand. Let's stop the nonsense of proving the girlish act of those fatherless kids.

Bomb them with immediate effect!

Be a lion for one day than a dog for 100 years....

Bomb them!

Pakistan should be a plain ground when the Sun rises; there India should play a T20 cricket match.

Bomb those fatherless fakirs!
Zak
NY, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
37
pope quoteing the emperor emmanuel.

what has mohammet brought to this world other than hate and violence.

we can see the results of this magleomanic paediphile killer in his followers, who are
spread like vermin all over the golbe.

these people will be punished. the whole world
is now mobilised against these barbarians, and
their spokesmen.

faruki dare not write in the american press, but
keeps on with his vile lies here in this forum.

i support all hindu hard liners, and hope they will exact revenge a 100 times over.

muslim terrorists can only be fought with violence. i hope that for the israelis killed their govt will a 100 times more of these killers.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
36


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Zak
NY, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
35
Seshadri,

>> God, in any name, only delivers equitable justice, in due time, the more severe the punishment, when delayed.

And we interpret His actions to suit our lowly wishes! You speak the language of the village mullah!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
34


Dear India,

The world moans with us.

Bomb Pakistan with immediate effect.

It's time to user our CANONS not CANDLES.

The world will justify our action.

Bomb Pakistan with immediate effect.

10 guys rattled 1 billion hearts over 60 hours.

Bomb Pakistan with immediate effect. The world is with us; will justify our action.

Bomb them; smoke them out!

If men live in India, then the answer for this cowardly must be our Military. Bomb Them!

Jai India!
Zak
NY, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
33
Hindu:>>"Muslim web sites are full of praise for the Allah (the Demonic god created to favor only PURE Muslims) and joy at the plight of timid, leadeless and unimaginative Hindus and are looking for trher day when Hindus are no more".

But then, Allah also brings about a lot of mutual killings by moslems among theselves, in many mmoslem countries, perhaps to compensate moslems killing non-moslems as infidels, in jihad, in nonmoslem countries. God, in any name, only delivers equitable justice, in due time, the more severe the punishment, when delayed.
No such force called 'demonic God'. The 'devil' also only serves the divine purpose to be 'instrumental' in delivering distress as punishment, where deserved. Those, as individuals or social groups, who ensure that they do not hurt others, will also be saved from hurt. Otherwise, as you sow, so you reap, for all.

In earlier millennia, with shorter lifespans, rebirths reqd for the karma to be endured. These days, it appears, repayments come in within the lifetimes of long-living individuals. Neither the jihadis' UMMA, nor the churchians' christendom, will be realized, however much they might try; when religious ego is mistaken for God, the divine wrath will only deliver destruction, in due time.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
32
Hindu/Bodepudi,

>> Terrirists follow Koran (kill the infidels and wage jihad)

They follow a sick or perverse form of Islam, just as you, a professional hate pracharak, follow a sick or perverse form of Hinduism.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
31
Hindu/Bodepudi,

>> Instead of reacting to Muslim theocratic fascism....

Theocratic fascism is your creed! Do you want us to forget about that?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
30
Bhanumati,

>> Then why 99% muslims are terrorists ?

So do I belong to a 1% minority? I didn't know that!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
29
Mr Rajesh

So your theory is that this massacre was the fault of 'Hindutva extremists'.

Come on, Sir. I know you are prejudiced. But I did not know you are also blind.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
28
>> I gues ATS team by its own admission had deputed 90% of tis workforce under polictial pressure midn you to victimizing sadhvi and there was none left to cater to these intelligence reports

That's why no resource was left to combat islamic terrorists. Intended or unintended, it turned out to be diversion created by Hindutwa extremists.
Rajesh
Phoenix, United States
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
27
I gues ATS team by its own admission had deputed 90% of tis workforce under polictial pressure midn you to victimizing sadhvi and there was none left to cater to these intelligence reports
Rahul
Delhi, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
26
I gues ATS team by its own admission had deputed 90% of tis workforce under polictial pressure midn you to victimizing sadhvi and there was none left to cater to these intelligence reports
Rahul
Delhi, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
25
Same devilish media who was shouting hindu-terro safron-terror over such a minor incident like maegaon where onviction is yuet to happen was eerily silent on using term like islamor muslim terror.. Who is who of this devilish channel list is ndtv and cnn-ibn..

Some people are sayng media was honourabel by not using islamic terror term I will ask those people wil you concede then that media has been devilish in last two months when they used the term hindu-terro so vigourously..
Rahul
Delhi, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
24
Same devilish media who was shouting hindu-terro safron-terror over such a minor incident like maegaon where onviction is yuet to happen was eerily silent on using term like islamor muslim terror.. Who is who of this devilish channel list is ndtv and cnn-ibn..

Some people are sayng media was honourabel by not using islamic terror term I will ask those people wil you concede then that media has been devilish in last two months when they used the term hindu-terro so vigourously..
Rahul
Delhi, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
23
Same devilish media who was shouting hindu-terro safron-terror over such a minor incident like maegaon where onviction is yuet to happen was eerily silent on using term like islamor muslim terror.. Who is who of this devilish channel list is ndtv and cnn-ibn..

Some people are sayng media was honourabel by not using islamic terror term I will ask those people wil you concede then that media has been devilish in last two months when they used the term hindu-terro so vigourously..
Rahul
Delhi, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
22
Same devilish media who was shouting hindu-terro safron-terror over such a minor incident like maegaon where onviction is yuet to happen was eerily silent on using term like islamor muslim terror.. Who is who of this devilish channel list is ndtv and cnn-ibn..

Some people are sayng media was honourabel by not using islamic terror term I will ask those people wil you concede then that media has been devilish in last two months when they used the term hindu-terro so vigourously..
Rahul
Delhi, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
21
Same devilish media who was shouting hindu-terro safron-terror over such a minor incident like maegaon where onviction is yuet to happen was eerily silent on using term like islamor muslim terror.. Who is who of this devilish channel list is ndtv and cnn-ibn..

Some people are sayng media was honourabel by not using islamic terror term I will ask those people wil you concede then that media has been devilish in last two months when they used the term hindu-terro so vigourously..
Rahul
Delhi, India
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
20
These are all dots and it requires a certain skill and ability to connect the dots. Sometime people connect and sometime people do not.

In India it is a bit different. You give the entire picture to Shivraj Patil and co and he will still bungle it. They will still need more info.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Nov 30, 2008 12:00 AM
19
The specificity and usefulness of early warnings often gets magnified in retrospect. It is often forgotten that such an input is just one of a thousand inputs the vast majority of which had turned out to be false. Hind-sight is always twenty-twenty!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
18



One thing that I would want to know is what has caused the Pakistanis to suddenly change their tone from concilliatory to belligerant?
Have they been able to get Chinese covert backing?

Atul Chandra
mUMBAI, INDIA
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
17
Police does what their political master tell them to.. this time sharada pawar and sonia mata wanted larlare to cook u charges agaisnt sadhvi policing mumbai was the second priority and the wages of that is there for everyone to see..
Rahul
Delhi, India
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
16
ZAK has been one poster to focus on the issue of immediate concern unlike others.

I find his solution also totally valid.

India HAS to attack and do so immediately and with full force.

Anything less would be a disaster of greatest magnitude.

If required Americans should be used to control Pakistanis from nuclear blackmail.
Atul Chandra
mUMBAI, INDIA
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
15
Let's FOCUS on Congress-Left-Muslim alliance against Hindus

Whenever we raised the issue of Islamic terror against Hindus, the "secular" fanatics and the OUTLLOK magazine always co-operated with the theocratic fascists (Ghulam Faruki) and even prevented us from expressing our thoughts based on FACTS. Dozens of posters in this magazine were blocked at the instigation of the thought cop and the OVERT JIHADI, in this magazine. Some posters who had defended Muslims all their lives and who were the founders of secular outfits in the US were prevented from expressing their freedom of thought in this magazine. The same secular fascist group, CAIR, prevented Modi from even visiting the US!

1 We want to ennd the CONGRESS_Muslim-leftrule in India

2 Muslims must be FORCED to have one-child families. Otherqise, Hindus will be extinct in few decades

3 Kashmir must be mnade a Muslim minority area since Muslims killed milliuons of Hindus and converted them by force, for centuries

4 KOran must be INVESTIGATED to see that its a theocratic book that advocates murder of Hindus (infidels) and is the reason behind the death of over 80 million innocent Hindus. Buddhists fared far worse

4 Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan, B Desh and other Muslim countries must be linberated from Arab imperialism (pray 5 times a day to Arabia, slavishly) and Islamic colonialism -far worse than the Third Reich



hindu
Varanasi, India
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
14


Beyond the ultra patriotism demosnstrated some media personalities - both on and off film, there are a few pointers, which are 'Beyond Politics'

The government has NO ideology whatsoever - except that of making money, of course.

That financial whizkid, MMS, makes money for the government, by taxing petrol = 50%! Even while he keeps his UDP or UDA or whatever group of chamchas alive, by allowing them to loot the government coffers. Note the 500$ billion made by just one DMK minister, called Raja, through spectrum allocation!

The feminists, under Sonia, control the shots - note the 33k crores per year given to the 'Womens' Propaganda ministry'. And the 72k crores, given to loan defaulters, on madams hukumat.

The financial whizkid will continue with high inflation rates, while blaming the falling shares on the international scene ( taking credit for himself ONLY when it goes up )

This government will not spare money for the soldiers - or even the police. Note that these guys have NO MENS ministry to work for their welfare.

Note that this government is hell bent on dividing society by caste.

NO money for police investigation development. The police are as corrupt as the judges, and they are all making tonnes of money today, through enganging in house hold politics, and extortion from young husbands and jailing their parents. Will such a immoral police or judiciary EVER prosper?

The government, is turning a blind eye towards religious appeasment. ALL religions are spohisticated brainwashing apparatus, and NO party, least of all financial whizkid MMS's, will dare to touch upon god belief.

NO government will ever touch upon the causes of these terror attacks - Kashmir. The media will NEVER publicise the thousands of women raped, and children ( AND innocent MEN ) killed by these 'security apparatuses' of the government. Revenge and counter revenge will continue for decades more at this rate.

Parthasarathy reborn
Chennai, India
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
13


Whenever there's a terror attack in India, which has solid evidence belonged to Pakistan:

1. India points at Pakistan, Pakistan refutes, and India forgets and writes off its history on the water

2. Pakistan gleefully tells its radicals, go ahead with the camps.

3. They attack again, the step 1 and 2 continues.

It's been a routine.

Somewhere, India should act differently.

Don't listen to Activists, Politicians, and Cinema stars who all have some vested interests in the market across Pakistan and India.

India should have a political change to attack or address or answer terrorism magnetically.

Had UK and USA these attacks and proofs of these attackers, they will not conducting meeting all the night, rather the bombing would have been the answer.

When you're bombed, it's wise to bomb again.

Eye for an eye works well with terrorists so that the people afraid to join terrorism. Don't give them a chance to escape.....
Zak
NY, United States
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
12
"Some followers of the bandit from seventh century are going to get hurt very soon by the Israelis." Bhupesh

Spreading AWARENESS (the response follows) of Islamic theocratic fascism and its crimes against Indians, globally, will create the platform for the final VICTORY (closing down ALL Mosques and Madarasdas, globally)
hindu
Varanasi, India
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
11
They may have known all the above. But the intelligence agencies also knew that the Lok Sabha elections are due in mid APR 2009 and helping UPA retain power by "high lighting" HINDU TERRORISM was a more profitable activity (promotion and so on) than ensuring security of AAM ADMI- sorry in this case the KHAS AADMI of Five star culture. WEEP INDIA WEEP
A Nair
Bangalore, India
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
10
Free Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, B Desh, etc from Theocratic Fascism

Zardari needs to answer: Daily Telegraph
London (PTI): Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari needs to answer the question whether the country's spy agency ISI was unaware of terrorists' plan to attack Mumbai, a prominent British daily said on Saturday.

"The gunmen arrived in Mumbai by dirigible boats apparently launched from ships that had sailed from Karachi. Could Pakistani intelligence have been unaware of a paramilitary operation of this scale?" The Daily Telegraph said in an editorial.

"This is a question that President Asif Zardari urgently needs to answer, and not just to satisfy foreign critics." the editorial said.

"Pakistan as a nation must realise that its future rests on eradicating the Islamist terrorists' training in the tribal areas in its north-western territories; on purging extremist elements from the ISI, the intelligence wing of its military; and in halting the jihadist indoctrination of young people (including Britons, given their suspected involvement in the Mumbai atrocity) in its Saudi-funded madrassas," it said.
hindu
Varanasi, India
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
9
Islam & Terrism

Terrirists follow Koran (kill the infidels and wage jihad for the spread of theocratic fascism) most scrupulously and those who disagree with the terrorists are deviating from Koranic injunctions, for convenience and are hypocritical. Secretly, they all belong to the same cult. There can not be moderates in Islam, constitutionally impossible-they are simply deviating from Islam
hindu
Varanasi, India
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
8


When USA can directly take action against those who attack its country, what's stopping India to do so?

Why we always beg for permission of the source country - that is sanctuary to terrorism - to attack the perpetrators?

India should attack / bomb the Pakistan regions which is habitat of terrorists.

If the Pakistan government is not capable, then the government should let India to comb those terrorists in the Pakistan terrain.

If you can't do, let's do it for the sake peace.
Zak
NY, United States
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
7
Celebration by Muslims

Muslim web sites are full of praise for the Allah (the Demonic god created to favor only PURE Muslims) and joy at the plight of timid, leadeless and unimaginative Hindus and are looking for trher day when Hindus are no more.

Instead of reacting to Muslim theocratic fascism, Hindus should STUDY Islam from the likes of IBN WARRAQ, HIrsi Ali, WAFA SULTAN, Naipal, Salman Rushdie, etc and collect FACTS of Islamic genocides, brutality and destruction and Islam's ferocious oppositrion against freedom of thought, gender equality and pluralism among 7 billion human beings, on a DAILY basis
hindu
Varanasi, India
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
6
Who says terrorists has no religion ? Then why 99% muslims are terrorists ? Islamism from this country needs to be rooted out. It is unfortunate that Gandhi was born in India and he gave a cancer to our motherland in the form of muslims. Pakistan was given 40% of india's most fertile land thinking all muslims will leave for Pakistan the way Hindus left Pakistan. But Gandhi was adamant and not allowed all muslims to go to pakistan in 1947. Muslims do not follow family planning and grow their family like anything producing 20-25 kids after marrying 4-5 women. Our secular government comes up with various reservation to garner their votes later. Muslims are changing our demography once again as they have made more than thousands of mini-pakistan in India which are ticking time-bombs.
Mrs Bhanumati
Jhansi, UP, India, India
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
5
All this is analysis is of no use especially from some one like a Journo, who can analyse anything.
The truth is that our intelligence has failed ones again, with so much information available no check was done.
I am surprised that the boat was India registered which is why it was allowed, I was under the impression that its the people inside the boat or a vessle that is checked. I am sure that the peple who were checking never cared about what is there in the boat or who was in it.
Coming back to the journo analysis....., today it is this tragedy tomorrow it will be the elections and everyone will forget this....this is what the reality is.
Its really foolish for a common man like me and perhaps most of you that we get glued to this crap which they write.
Imagine Advani saying that they solved all the terror acts during NDA time...., how cruel is that. What happened to the Indian Airlines hijacked place which was allowed to be flown to Kandhar along with the most dangerous terrorists being escorted by Jaswant Singh. If one wants to argue one can say that thats where India showed its weekness. Had that not happened, this would have not happened !
I have one questions for the Thakrey's Raj and hos uncle Bala. Where are you now....when Bombay is in such a bad shape. Don't they realise that all the NSG lot came from North India to help save Bombay...guys they are crooks of the top most level.... Imagine Modi announcing Rs.1 Cr for poor Hemant Karkare....after calling him an Anti-National for the investigations. All politicians, may it be NPA, NDA or what ever are just getting too much.
As my protest I am not casting my vote for anyone today.....they don't deserve it from me.
Let us all unite to raise a voice against two major evils in India, the politicians and the irresponsible media....they were showing the images in the Taj not realising the seriousness of the issue....it seems everyone is so selfish....shame on you !
rahul bansal
delhi, India
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
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The fault of this total incompetence lies with our 'politicians'.

Which means Advani and Modi - those monstrous Hindu fanatic leaders plotting against poor minorities like those which drove out those horrible Pandits from the Kashmir valley.

Our beloved Sonia mata, her son, his girl friend, daughter, daughter's husband; and her servant MMS are just the innocent victims.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
3
outlook journalists

you have always been on the side of the islamists.

stay true to them

i will get my news from the international media.

they are more truthful and symathatic to india
then fifth columnists like you.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
2
They were looking for Pakistani ships/boats that could bring the terrorists in....Would any killer in the right mind do that....obviously he will look for anonymity. How did huge amount of RDX get into Mumbai or into Taj? How come, the waters of gateway of india was not secured, in the background of a threat perception?
k
Chennai, India
Nov 29, 2008 12:00 AM
1
They did not "slip in to Cuffe parade park" that easily ,flying in the air as you might have very well suggested. No one can swim with so much of luugage, and that too a distance of 4 nautical miles!!
Small plastic or rubber boats with engines, went from the Mumbai coast to recieve the terrorists, and transferred them to the boats along with their luggage.
The Captain's (of the vessle) eyes were blinded and his throat was slit after reaching somewhere near Mumbai coast.
It only, means they have contacted the crooks,anti-nationals here in Mumbai, by cell phone etc., who started off in small boats to receive them.
Coast guard did not suspect because,it was fishing vessel with credintials.
Who received them? who are they?
Even if the police were to find ,and arrest them, the court case would prolong for 10 years or more as was the case with Mumbai stock exchange bomb blasts when 250 people died.

The best course for the police is to find them, interrogate them, torture them until they repent for taking birth as human beings and shoot them in an encounter. At least that would give them, some credibility and respect from the people who love this nation.
And offcourse all those anit-nationals , would cry.
bowenpalle venuraja gopal rao.
warangal, india