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When change of religion was all about a deeply personal choice
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Smita Gupta
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Fear, practically made this village reconvert to Hinduism
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conversions
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Sugata Srinivasaraju
opinion
My conversion was not a change of religion; it was a change of heart
Anand Mahadevan
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If one goes by popular perception, it's only people belonging to the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes who are lured by Christianity. The notion is that they give up their religion to break free from the Hindu caste system and nurture the hope that a better life awaits them after they convert. But it's not just the oppressed classes who are drawn to Jesus. Highly educated and well-placed upper-caste Hindus and Muslims have also risked censure from their immediate family and community to take the crucial plunge. 

They all have their own reasons for giving up one religion for another. As Jesuit sociologist Rudolf C. Heredia puts it in his book, Changing Gods, Rethinking Conversion in India: "Conversion is a question of personal choice, it involves a rejection, a change or an adaptation of one's identity. A complex set of motivations are involved. The change is the result of a personal quest, which may be more than a religious or spiritual one. Positively, this is experienced as a liberation; negatively, it could be an escape." 

So what is it like to switch from one god to another? Outlook spoke to some unlikely converts:


Syed Ainul Hadeed, 38
Filmmaker

Syed Hadeed is touched by the Word

"I was born in a rich Muslim family of Pune. My parents belonged to families with a rich religious heritage. When I was barely four, my parents separated. My mother and I moved in with my aunt in Hyderabad. From an early age I was taught Islamic traditions and I also learnt to read the Quran in Arabic. However, I went to schools run by the Jesuits and did well both in studies and sports. My mother and I shifted to Mumbai when I was in the sixth standard.

"It was during this period that I began carefully studying the Quran. However, I found I could not digest the teachings. Yet I did not stop believing in God's existence. This was in the late 1980s. My teenage years and early adult life were difficult—failed relationships, financial hardships and my father's death made me morose. At one point I even decided to end my life by consuming mercury. Luckily, I survived.

"It was all very strange. On the one hand I was attempting suicide, but at another level, I had an out-of-body experience. I felt my spirit drift to my old school—to the feet of Jesus Christ. I could feel his presence. After a year, I visited the school and saw the following words engraved on the pedestal on which a statue of Jesus stands to this day: 'I am the resurrection and the Life.' I believe the Holy Spirit had led me to Christ. Today, I am serving the Lord through the gifts that he has endowed me with.

"Naturally, some Muslim friends did not approve of my giving up Islam. The clerics questioned my change of faith. However, this only strengthened my resolve to study the Bible, the Quran, and the Hadiths. Finally, I realised that Christianity was my true calling."


Rajeev Menon, 42
CEO, N-Able Solutions

"Information technology companies require a strong process, otherwise there will be a delivery failure. There are proven processes of development and it is for the company to adapt them and standardise them.

"This also holds true in life. I was in my twenties and my life was a total mess. I had no peace of mind. I was going through a personal crisis. It was then that somebody gave me a book on Jesus. It slowly transformed me. My parents saw the change in me but allowed me to choose my faith. I go for prayer meetings regularly and I have renounced all forms of idol worship."


Salma Ali, 33
Advertising and Public Relations consultant

"My mother was a Catholic who converted to Islam when she married my father. We performed namaaz regularly. But my faith was shattered when I came across a verse in the Quran that prescribed corporal punishment for stubborn women. I was shocked. I asked my father, who told me that it was like chiding a child for not listening to elders.

"After my parents separated, I moved in with my mother, who had become extremely short-tempered and abusive. At the same time, she started attending church. I used to attend the congregations she went to, at which people danced and sang, something unheard of in Islam. It was then that I started reading the Bible. I found Christianity a far more liberating religion. My life became stable, and I started doing well in my studies. I have been praying every day ever since."


Jaya Ramamurthy, 42
V-P (learning & development) with a business process outsourcing firm

Jaya Ramamurthy says god speaks to her

"Born into a Tamil Brahmin family, I was brought up in an orthodox religious environment. We worshipped numerous gods and observed various rituals. Every Thursday, we also prayed to Sai Baba. At least 150 devotees would turn up at our house for the prayer sessions. Frankly, I could not make any sense of the rituals and yearned for a relationship with a god I could talk to, a god who would listen to me when I spoke to him.

"It was around this time that I was afflicted with scabies. I decided to go for a blind date with Jesus in the hope that I would be cured. To my surprise I was rid of my ailment. Years later, at 27, I decided to read the Bible. My mother threw it out of the window. But I did not give up and discovered a god I could talk to. Ever since, I have become far more friendly, and the love of god has changed my life. Today, when I speak, God speaks to me. My relationship with the Almighty has changed my perspective. I have become more respectful towards others."


Prabhu Guptara, 58
Executive Director (organisational development), with Wolfsberg, a UBS subsidiary

"I was 14 when I lost my father and our family lost everything in the process. From prosperity to penury—it was difficult to comprehend at that age. I could not understand how there could be so much suffering if god actually existed. How could he allow people to get away with evil acts? A chance encounter with a young man turned me to Jesus. I read the New Testament carefully and realised that evil is the consequence of man not loving god. Jesus presents a challenge to every individual, asking him to acknowledge his own inadequacies. Over the years, I have found myself moving away from being a selfish person to being more sensitive (to the needs of others)."

Conversions: fear in kandhamal
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Smita Gupta
conversions: kandhamal
Fear, practically made this village reconvert to Hinduism
Interview
Orissa chief minister says his government's dependence on BJP support will not deter him from taking action against the Bajrang Dal and VHP.
Outlook
conversions
In Karnataka, the Sangh's busy drumming up evidence
Sugata Srinivasaraju
opinion
My conversion was not a change of religion; it was a change of heart
Anand Mahadevan
Percentage growth in population between 1991 and 2001 as per Census
 
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HAVE YOUR SAY
Jul 15, 2009 12:00 AM
46
Wonderful article. Conversion is a personal choice and basically a change of heart. Thanks to outlook for publishing an article like this.
M S Sundar
Bangalore, India
Nov 03, 2008 12:00 AM
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Really a very nice article indeed. Its gives immense pleasure to read the testimony of so many people.I am sure many live will be touched and blessed by this.
Do continue to publish articles like this. may God bless you !!
sumi anilcy
Bangalore, India
Nov 01, 2008 12:00 AM
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Hello Brother in Christ
Nice to know that the Light of the Living God shone in your life as with millions of people whose lives were transformed through the saving grace of Lord Jesus Christ. I would like to inform that my father was a Nair convert and my mother is a Brahmin convert. Both found the truth not by inducements and cohersions but by their own accord.They have paid a very high price to become CHRISTIANS. Happy to tell my mother relatives are now slowly experiencing the transformations in their lives even though some them they are still priests in the Thirupathi and Bhadrachalam temples.
Jeff Kurup
Hyderabad, India
Oct 31, 2008 12:00 AM
43
I was very happy to read this article on Outlook!! I too have found Jesus Christ to be my Lord and Saviour. And its truly life-changing. God bless these people who had the guts to speak up in public while there is so much persecution going on against their brothers and sisters.
Rini Sarkar
Pune, India
Oct 25, 2008 12:00 AM
42
Seshadri,

>> the XVI chaper of the gita defines the nature of asurics, in detail, as basically greedy and jealous of all others.

You have been calling Muslims "asurics". The Gita does not give you the permission to call people asurics just because you have a prejudice against them.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 24, 2008 12:00 AM
41
Ghai:

Thank you for the clarification on the mirza/misra differentiation. Hindu sikandar-lal type names could be after Skanda, I suppose. Anyway, Alexander being called sikander seems to be only bec Apollo = aphala, fruit-loser murugan = skanda. All, only guess-work, anyway. God only knows the truth.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 24, 2008 12:00 AM
40
'Iskander Misra was a military ruler of pak also '


Uncle Sesadri -it was Iskindar Mirza (not Misra who are Brahmins) though correct one should be Sikandar Mirza.Even Hindus too used to have names like Sikandar Lal .
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Oct 24, 2008 12:00 AM
39
AP:>>"Sikander (Alexander) lived centuries before Christianity and Islam were even born! You are truly a demented old man."

Well, you are right. I checked, the name of the moslems' leader against the last crudase was 'saladin', not sikandar, named after alexandar. I mis-remembered the name, as sikandar, bec of the high popularity of names 'sikandar' and 'iskandar' among moslem rulers in india; Iskander Misra was a military ruler of pak also, for some time. Perhaps, moslem rulers in india took alexander's name fondly, since he was the first foreign conquester over india, altho he went back, after the war with Porus, stopped by chandragupta mourya.

Sorry, I totally withdraw my suggestion reg jislam getting humanized as 'sikandarism'. The pssibility really remote, I suppose.

You have also asked who indentfies the 'asura's.
Well, the XVI chaper of the gita defines the nature of asurics, in detail, as basically greedy and jealous of all others. Kr also indicates that asurics will only be reborn as asurics, genetically. I somehow assumed that the mercy of skanda has, indeed, surmounted the statement of krishna, taking saladin = sikandar. My apologies to you, to skanda and krishna, also. The deva vs asura warfare will only continue on the globe and in the solar system, indefinitely, I suppose. May God's will be done.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 24, 2008 12:00 AM
38
Seshadri,

>> What the duhSaasana in you cannot understand must have some true spiritual value in them.

Ascribing spiritual value to your own bizarre productions through self-justification is meaningless.

>> You have rightly said that it will not be possible to re-edit the quran and hadiths as humanist versions as 'nabhi-Sruta hara-geetaa' and 'mahaamati-puraaNa', respectively.

I never said that. You are making things up.

>> It is probably bec ravan, born as nabhi.

Ravan was born as Seshadri, not as Nabi.

>> bec of asuras, rakshasas having souls completely enshrouded by ego.

That describes you so well!

>> it was skanda born as sikander who put a stop to the conflicts betw jihadis and crusaders in europe.

Sikander (Alexander) lived centuries before Christianity and Islam were even born! You are truly a demented old man.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 24, 2008 12:00 AM
37
AP::>>"Your stupid posts'

Thanks for the compliment. I recognize the real validity of any of my postings, only after you call them stupid. What the duhSaasana in you cannot understand must have some true spiritual value in them.

You have rightly said that it will not be possible to re-edit the quran and hadiths as humanist versions as 'nabhi-Sruta hara-geetaa' and 'mahaamati-puraaNa', respectively. It is probably bec ravan, born as nabhi, has tried to give himself the immortality as the 'last prophet' for mankind, in islam, to counteract his being denied, as ravan, the 'immortality' of the 'divines', by bramha, bec of asuras, rakshasas having souls completely enshrouded by ego. Perh why, the fanatically moslem men also, even today, completely enshroud their women, somewhat less egoist and more spiritual, in their nature.

Well, it was skanda born as sikander who put a stop to the conflicts betw jihadis and crusaders in europe, letting middle-east develop some good science-based culture, philosophy and socio-economic growth. Perhaps, if islam is redefined as 'sikanderism' instead of 'nabhi-faith', it could possibly become a more humanist faith, with skanda as sikander, iskander, taking the place of the truly divine force behind islam, as, also, jesus in christianity and apollo for the greek civilzn, being responsible for even the limited amounts of gjnaana-yoga, spiritual-knowledge-base content, in all these three civilizns, emerging soon after the end of the decay-days of the dark-days, of the twin kali-yugas from 3kbc to 6h bc, along with jina, buddha, sankara and valluvar, in india. HF, the 'always fault-finding', scholar-type in your group, may even consider compiling the base beliefs for 'sikandarism' or ‘iskanderism’ as the new version of islam, on par with other humanist religions of the world..
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 24, 2008 12:00 AM
36
Seshadri,

>> 'divide and destroy' the hindus on the outlook columns, also!

Your stupid posts are more embarrassing to Hindus than anything I say.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 23, 2008 12:00 AM
35
Lalit,

>> send me a prospectus, about all the fun one can have as a jolly muslim.

We allow only a small number of morons, and that quota is already filled. I shall put your name on the waiting list.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 23, 2008 12:00 AM
34
AP:>>"I honestly think it is rubbish, but I wondered what others thought."

So, 'divide and destroy' the hindus on the outlook columns, also!
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 23, 2008 12:00 AM
33
Seshadri,

>>>> "I would let Atul and Kiran comment on your claim because I am not qualified to do so."
>> Thank you for not calling it all rubbish from an ignoramus.

I honestly think it is rubbish, but I wondered what others thought.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 23, 2008 12:00 AM
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faruki

can you ignore the vereses which disallow drinking, eating a bacon sandwieh, singing ballads in the local singalong club.

if so i can consider becomeing a muslim.

send me a prospectus, about all the fun one can have as a jolly muslim.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Oct 23, 2008 12:00 AM
31
It seems that Outlook has become the conversion tool of Xtian missionaries. It is against the ethics of journalism to glorify xtianism vs other faiths. Really, I am transfixed to see outlook publish one conversion story after another. I suspect Outlook management is deeply conservative christian. Is Outlook being funded by the Vatican?
Vivek Chatterjee
Calcutta, India
Oct 23, 2008 12:00 AM
30
Prabhu,G:>> Over the years, I have found myself moving away from being a selfish person to being more sensitive (to the needs of others)."

'deene naaraaNam paSyet', is the maxim in hinduism also. vivekananda emphasizes it very much. hinduism does suffer these days, bec the rich visiting temples have only competitively exhibitionist ritualism, one-up-man-ship among worshippers, etc., instead of humility before God, seeing all equal before God and seeing God, especially among the poor. You will find such discrepancies in church-gatherings, also.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 23, 2008 12:00 AM
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Jaya R:>>"We worshipped numerous gods and observed various rituals. Every Thursday, we also prayed to Sai Baba."

You could have attained the same spiritually personal relationship you now have with Jesus, if your mind had tuned with the mantras and slokas used during the ritual worship. Perhaps, the job of receiving guests, etc. diverted your attention. It does not mean that Sai cannot give spiritual solace, for those who really entune with Him. Image or object of worship is not the matter, it is only humility with faith, which delivers the divine..

>>" I have become more respectful towards others."

Exactly. Your illness brought humility of mind, enabled you tune up with jesus. Ego-free, you have become respectful of others, also.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 23, 2008 12:00 AM
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R Menon:>>"I go for prayer meetings regularly and I have renounced all forms of idol worship"

Idols of mary and jesus are found in all churches, in their prayer halls; the devout light candles also, in front of them. Do not insult them, by denigrating idolatry. Any form of superiority complex is ego, will retard spiritual progess. My guess is that you have signed for this writeup, only for some chuchian payment to help your company out, in these difficult days.

It is a pity that professionals allow religion to colour their work. I went to a chennai IT-firm to open an active website for posting my poems on perennial philo. They agreed to do it. But, one of their assistants, a churchian, noticed that my poems integrate all religions. They did not deliver. I got it done by my son, in USA.

Jesus christ should first free the indian churchians from their religious ego, before they can qualify for spiritual salvation!.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 23, 2008 12:00 AM
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AP:>>"I would let Atul and Kiran comment on your claim because I am not qualified to do so."

Thank you for not calling it all rubbish from an ignoramus.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 23, 2008 12:00 AM
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SAHadeed:

No wonder, if someone reads the quran and also the sermon on the mount, the spiritual attraction would be for the latter. I call it 'chrishTopanishad'. No mention of church or conversion in that!

>>"It was all very strange. On the one hand I was attempting suicide, but at another level, I had an out-of-body experience. I felt my spirit drift to my old school—to the feet of Jesus Christ"

This confirms by perception that Jesus is only an amSa of Skanda, son of Siva, in sanaatan dharma. Same thing happened to aruna-giri-natha in annamali. He got frustrated with failed life, jumped off the temple tower, skanda saved him, blessed him, gave him the spiritual perception to write the 'tiruppugazh' songs of devotion, benefitting generations of hindu devotees.
Skanda, in hinduism, is anugraha-kaaraka, the redeemer aspect of God. He subdued soora-asura, but reformed him to become His own peacock seat and cock-on-flag. As son of God, in chr, he operates as the all-forgiver, himself picking up mature souls ready for such grace. This is no reason for calling hindus pagans and chaining them to the church.

>>"I believe the Holy Spirit had led me to Christ."

Exactly. On being ‘saved’ by Jesus, the soul merges with the cosmomom holy spirit, paraa Sakti, who delivers it into the Absolute beyond time and space, Christ = Siva = vishNu also = Allah =yahvey = God..

In hindu yogasaastra, narrayana attracts devotion as 'krishna', meaning attractor, as first stage in soul-ar evolution. ‘harim dhyaatvaa haro bhooyaat, Sivo bhootvaa Sivaam bhajet; Sivaa-sutau guha-dvayam, gaNyaat siddhih, skandaat muktih’. Medit on hari leads to Siva-yoga in tune with Absolute; He provides opportunities and success in pleasing the cosmo-mom. Her kids are gaNeSa [John the baptist] and skanda [jesus]. Preparatory progress in life, in karma yoga is given by ganesa, liberation into absolute in gjnaana-yoga, is blessed by skanda = jesus.

When I see the white-gowned chaps trying to 'save' souls of hindus to deliver them to the feet of Jesus, I can only laugh at them!.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 23, 2008 12:00 AM
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Sis Salma jee,

Thank you for your bold stand for Christ.
www.sam4salvation.blogspot.com
Sam Reddy
Hyderabad, India
Oct 23, 2008 12:00 AM
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Dear Sis Anuradh jee,Bro.Syed jee,Bro.Rajeev Menon jee,Sis.Jaya jee,Big Bro.Prabhu jee and others...

Thank you for taking a Bold stand in triumphing the Truth.The stories are well-edited. very balanced.
I hail from a Hindu so-called upper caste from Andhra Pradesh-India.
I,too have accepted the Lord Jesus as my Savior after a mighty encounter with THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD and by the illuminations of the Holy Scriptures.YOU CAN READ MY STORY IN MY BLOG-


http://sam4salvation.bl...2008_08_01_archive.html


Thank you.
Sam Reddy
Hyderabad, India
Oct 23, 2008 12:00 AM
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>> But people are not forced to believe whatever written in those scriputers.

That is not what was being discussed, but for your information I do not know any Muslim who follows everything that is in the Quran 100%, or 90% or even 70%.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 23, 2008 12:00 AM
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AP,
"No textual changes have been made in the Vedas, Upnishads, or any other Hindu scriptures as far as I know."

But people are not forced to believe whatever written in those scriputers, nor any punishment. Have you ever heard death punishment for a person denouncing or deriving different meanings from Vedas, Upnishads or Gita. Ask Hard Facts about this.
Devendra Patel
Ahmedabad, India
Oct 23, 2008 12:00 AM
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What is the editorial judgment about the newsworthiness of these personal stories?

By themselves they are only human interest stories. But given the repeated claims by the votaries of sangh parivar that converts are poor, uneducated, unsophisticated tribal rubes who can be bought with shiny trinkets, these personal stories are empirical evidence that directly undermines that claim.

These people exercised their rights just as there are those who exercised their rights not to change religions after hearing their options. These are personal decision beyond the reach of law or society. In fact, per the constitution, society has an affirmative obligation to protect individuals from anyone, including legislative majorities, from interfering with those rights including the right to hear their religious options.
Augustus aaa
Pune, India
Oct 23, 2008 12:00 AM
20
rajesh george

i am into satan worship.

you would love our parties.

lots of booze, charming women, rock music, and
all kinds of food.

there is a swimming pool- golf club.

now tell me , whats happening in your local church,

any fun and games, or is it just jingle bells
every christmas.

try someting new. take your missus along.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Oct 23, 2008 12:00 AM
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its amazing to see how Jesus works in the life of many of our friends and transforming the lives. i dont think its out of compulsion but out of the thirst for the living God who imparts the peace and abundant life. yes Jesus transforms our life not to kill others but to love others even the worst enemy. i wish all Indians may find this lasting peace and in their heart so that our country will be free from terrorism, religious fanaticism and all kinds of hatredness. God Bless you
rajesh george
calicut, India
Oct 22, 2008 12:00 AM
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Seshadri,

>> The four vedas, 108 upanishads, 18 puranas, the bramha-sootras, the mahaa-bhaarata with the Gita its exact middle, and the bhaagavatam were all edited by bhagwan Veda Vyasa, an amSa-avtar of vishnu Himself. He was later born as tiruvalluvar in tamil nadu [wife vaasuki = vyasa-skee, vyas' wife, suka's mom] to give an entirely god-free secular treatise on judicious, productive and high-culture ways of life for all humanity, in his tirukkural, translated into most of the languages of the world. He was later born again as narayana bhattadri to write naraaraayaneeyam poems of size same as kural, all in praise of lord guruvayurappan only, to atone for the god-free kural written by him earler, as valluvar.

I would let Atul and Kiran comment on your claim because I am not qualified to do so.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 22, 2008 12:00 AM
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>> No changes in books but people of these religions have rejected these books.

The subject under discussion was changes in the scriptures. In any case it would be wrong to say that Christians reject the Bible, or the Jews reject the Torah, or that the Hindus reject their scriptures.

>> or have selectively followed them. Even the ideologies behind these books have been rejected, revamped, or reviewed.

Not by deliberate decisions. It evolved over a period of time. It has also happened in Islam and is happening in Islam, although more slowly, and most Muslims will probably not admit to it.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 22, 2008 12:00 AM
16
AP:>>"No textual changes have been made in the Vedas, Upnishads or any other Hindu scriptures as far as I know."

Your knowledge is selectively anti-hindu only.
The four vedas, 108 upanishads, 18 puranas, the bramha-sootras, the mahaa-bhaarata with the Gita its exact middle, and the bhaagavatam were all edited by bhagwan Veda Vyasa, an amSa-avtar of vishnu Himself. He was later born as tiruvalluvar in tamil nadu [wife vaasuki = vyasa-skee, vyas' wife, suka's mom] to give an entirely god-free secular treatise on judicious, productive and high-culture ways of life for all humanity, in his tirukkural, translated into most of the languages of the world. He was later born again as narayana bhattadri to write naraaraayaneeyam poems of size same as kural, all in praise of lord guruvayurappan only, to atone for the god-free kural written by him earler, as valluvar.

'Cast' is indicated only in one [last] poem in the purusha-sookta, in a symbolist format, and in one segment of a poem in the Gita, both emphasizing the need for professional specializns for maximizing prouctivity in progressive socio-economies. Scholars see the spiritual wisdom in them. Churchian devils only have been mis-using them, along with crypto-chr obc-casteist psuedo-scholars, to divide and destroy hindu india. But, they only will get destroyed, eventually.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 22, 2008 12:00 AM
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"No textual changes have been made in the Vedas, Upnishads, or any other Hindu scriptures as far as I know."

Yes. No changes in books but people of these religions have rejected these books or have selectively followed them. Even the ideologies behind these books have been rejected, revamped, or reviewed.

But can you imagine that happening with Koran? Not in this lifetime.
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Oct 22, 2008 12:00 AM
14
Atul,

>> All other religions have gone ahead and consciously changed their texts-revised the books and their teachings wherever they found it incompatible.

This is not true. Not a word of Torah has been changed. The King's James version of the Bible is either read as such, or a version with more modern translation is used. This version too makes no changes in texts. No textual changes have been made in the Vedas, Upnishads, or any other Hindu scriptures as far as I know.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 22, 2008 12:00 AM
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AP,

You are making a misstatement.

All other religions have gone ahead and consciously changed their texts-revised the books and their teachings wherever they found it incompatible.

It is only Muslims who swear that the Holy Quran is the final and absolute word of God and claim that it has remain unchanged from the time of revelation.

In fact any person who has claimed otherwise has been declared a heretic and blasphemor for having dared to doubt or challange the words of God .

You are in the danger of being so declared for what you have written
Atul Chandra
mUMBAI, INDIA
Oct 22, 2008 12:00 AM
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faruki

that was not a reply.

this is language of a gujerati urdu speaker . i suppose next you will say that budha also married a 3 year old girl, and fought
every one in sight, enslaved women, after killing their men.

lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Oct 21, 2008 12:00 AM
11
Lalit,

>> just to please faruki, every one has to admit to haveing evil passages in their scripture,even if they are absent.

What an ignoramus!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 21, 2008 12:00 AM
10
Atul,

>> A remarkable statement. Dear AP, You have really stuck your head out on this.What do you propose to do about this vis a vis Islam/Quran??

The same thing that other religions propose to do vis a vis their scriptures. Nothing!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 21, 2008 12:00 AM
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atul chandra

just to please faruki, every one has to admit to haveing evil passages in their scripture,even if they are absent.

if simi guys are arrested then the police must arrest a number of banrangdal,even if they are no where near the scene of the crime.just to keep
a balance.

i think that inbreeding over generations have damaged the genes of faruki,s.or is it mindless indoctrination of generation after generation
of muslims.

there can be no other explanation for his comeing out with such rubbish.

lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Oct 21, 2008 12:00 AM
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AP,

>>>Scriptures of all religions have passages that can be called objectionable today. We Indians should be able to rise above this.

A remarkable statement. Dear AP, You have really stuck your head out on this.What do you propose to do about this vis a vis Islam/Quran??

Atul Chandra
mUMBAI, INDIA
Oct 21, 2008 12:00 AM
7
You are free to believe whatever you like but no need to advertise it. Keep it up to you only.
Devendra Patel
Ahmedabad, India
Oct 21, 2008 12:00 AM
6
Outlook is very resourceful - with Islamic & Christianity defenders, propoganders & above all with Anti Hindu brigade.
Devendra Patel
Ahmedabad, India
Oct 20, 2008 12:00 AM
5
Stopperbhai,

>> But a religion which practices fanaticism and believes in burning innocent human beings alive.

True, but not all Hindus are like that. Nor all Muslims.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 20, 2008 12:00 AM
4
Namo,

>> have you bothered to rea the old testament? it gives a detail description how to identify a witch and the best way to kill a witch is to burn her.

Scriptures of all religions have passages that can be called objectionable today. We Indians should be able to rise above this.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 19, 2008 12:00 AM
3
Interesting examples of personal discovery of a personal God/friend/saviour etc. These are none through evangelism, but through personal disovery.A personal relationship with a particular 'image' of God which they found endearing and comforting.
Ask the converts if they have heard the stories of Mirabai, Tulsidas,Surdas and other 'Bhakti' cult preachers. They would find a striking communion of soul with them.
The only reason for their not having discovered the communion in their own 'religion' was perhaps because of the manner in which it came to them through their immediate environment-regimented, rituaistic and political-with no Bhakti???
Atul Chandra
mUMBAI, INDIA
Oct 18, 2008 12:00 AM
2
outlook is doing its bit to show us examples of
people turning to the true faiths-islam and christianity.

how about vinod mehta,

he will assuredly never say so, but i suspect
his loyalties also are towards mecca.

i am surprised how religion plays such an important part in the lives of indians.

are there no people who reject the super natural, and are still good people, and honest
and brave to reject the crutches of god.

its silly to seek salvation in christ , for the simple reason that sophisticated europeans are
giveing up religion.

i note that most of the converts are from the south of india. northerners are comparatuívely free of the religious bug. no one converts to
other religion. liveing a decent life is more
important.

that a woman converted because she was cured of an ill ness, shows a very naive mind.

its the naive and the stupid who make such changes-from tweedle dum to tweedle dee.

for this silly woman. lots of christians fall ill and die.

christianity is not a cure for cancer or the common cold
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Oct 18, 2008 12:00 AM
1
Now, how about some stories of Muslims and Christians converting to Hinduism?

That would be the more balanced version, no?
chandra
Portland, USA
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