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Explosive Acts
  • Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad's (ATS) investigation revealed that Dal activists made bombs in Nanded in 2006.
  • Their target was mosques. They were also involved in planting bombs in three mosques since 2003.
  • But ATS & CBI watered down charges.
  • In August 2008 two Dal men were killed while making bombs in Kanpur. Huge cache of explosives seized.

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"...one of the two who signed the (Indian) Mujahideen e-mail signed himself as Al-Arabi; but Arabi was the name of a bridge-builder to other communities, unlike others who were aggressors. Would a terrorist have used such a 'peace-loving' pseudonym? Was this a mistake made by a non-Muslim mastermind?"
—from 'Tentacles of Dread and the Terror Gameplan', by M.J. Akbar

It is no one's case that there are no Muslim extremist groups operating in the country, merely because the recent spate of terror attacks across the country—Bangalore, Ahmedabad and Delhi—benefited the BJP. Equally, given how tricky investigations into terror attacks are, all terror organisations, regardless of affiliation and denomination, must be put under the scanner. After all, Muslim and Hindu terror organisations do coexist. Indeed, police investigations have revealed that members of organisations such as the Bajrang Dal, the militant youth wing of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), don't just get military training, they are also keen followers of the methods of Islamist terror groups.

Take, for instance, the Maharashtra's Anti-Terrorism Squad's (ATS) investigation of a bomb explosion in the home of L.G. Rajkondwar, a retired PWD executive engineer and RSS member, in Nanded, Maharashtra, in April 2006. The explosion killed N. Rajkondwar and H. Panse and injured M.K. Wagh, Y. Deshpande, G.J. Tuptewar and R.M. Pande. They were all Bajrang Dal activists.

The FIR recorded the injured activists' claim that stored firecrackers had gone off inadvertently. But the investigation nailed this lie, revealing that bombs being assembled by the Bajrang Dal activists had exploded accidentally before they could be used to damage mosques. Moreover, the entire operation was being styled in a camouflage so as to resemble a Muslim terror operation. Soon, the police arrested 16 persons. The remand application said the accused had diagrams, maps and material related to the manufacture/storage of bombs. It said they had also identified terror targets across the country.

On May 4, 2006, the case was transferred to the ATS. The ATS's first chargesheet, filed on August 24, 2006, established a Bajrang Dal-Sangh parivar terror network. It says:

  • The Nanded accused were also responsible for blasts at the Mohammadiya Masjid in Parbhani (November 2003), the Quadriya Masjid in Jalna (August 2004) and the Meraj-ul-Uloom Madrassa/Masjid in Purna in Parbhani district (August 2004).
  • The target of the bombs which killed the Bajrang Dal activists was actually a mosque in Aurangabad. Both H. Panse and M. Wagh had conducted a recce of the Aurangabad mosque in May 2004.
  • Panse and Pande had started a gymnasium to attract Hindu youth and organised seminars. They also gave speeches to create an anti-Muslim atmosphere, alleging acts of injustice by Muslims against Hindus, inciting the latter to do "something for Hinduism." They were also trained in bomb-making near Pune, Goa and at the Bhosla Military School at Nagpur.
     
     
    The Bajrang Dal wanted to attack mosques and make it look as if the perpetrators were Muslims.
     
     
    An RSS camp at the school trained 115 participants in karate, obstacle courses, and shooting. The trainers included two ex-servicemen and an ex-IB operative.
  • Police discovered a false beard, moustache and shervani during a search of the house of H.V. Panse; a cellphone intercept revealed that Wagh was to visit Aurangabad on April 5, 2006.
The ATS established that the accused had carried out bomb blasts across Maharashtra, and concluded that the Bajrang Dal and other Sangh activists wanted to target Muslims while creating a smokescreen to make it look as though Muslim extremists themselves were targeting fellow Muslims. This would help advance the Sangh parivar's agenda of spreading hatred for the Muslim community by projecting Muslims as perpetrators of every bomb explosion taking place in India.

Activist Teesta Setalvad, who has provided a meticulous account of the ATS investigations and what followed thereafter in a recent issue of Communalism Combat, writes, "To its credit, the ATS did a reasonable job at the level of investigation, uncovering a hitherto unknown terrorist network in Maharashtra of Hindu extremists linked to the Sangh parivar. Given the seriousness of the case, one would have expected the ATS to ensure that the guilty were brought to book and the terrorist network exposed.

 
 
Police have probed Dal networks cursorily. Blasts like the one in Kanpur (photo) need a closer look.
 
 
The two chargesheets filed by the ATS do not however reflect the gravity of its own findings. At some point the ATS took a sudden U-turn. A public outcry then forced the government to transfer the case from the ATS to the CBI. But the CBI's conduct was questionable in the extreme; it only served to weaken the case."

The CBI chargesheet, which Setalvad procured on an RTI application, reveals that the agency simply diluted the ATS's charges of criminal conspiracy involving terrorist acts. If the ATS investigation concluded that the accidental explosion in Nanded was only one episode in a terrorist plot involving the Bajrang Dal, supported by a network of the Sangh parivar, the CBI chargesheet treated the Nanded incident as an isolated case so that the trial does not even examine the possible existence of a terrorist network in Maharashtra. It also delinked the case from the Bajrang Dal or any other Sangh outfit.

If that was Maharashtra, in Uttar Pradesh, the original home of the Bajrang Dal, an incident uncannily similar to the one in Nanded took place. On August 24 this year, two Bajrang Dal activists, Rajeev Mishra and Bhupinder Singh, died while making explosive devices. Kanpur zone IGP S.N. Singh told journalists that the Uttar Pradesh Special Task Force's investigations had revealed "plans for a massive explosion". Among the material seized were countrymade hand grenades similar to those used by the defence forces.

In police raids on Bhupinder Singh's Lajpat Nagar studio and his residence, the police found a diary and a hand-drawn map of Muslim-dominated Ferozabad. The police is also exploring the possibility that the grenades and other explosives were intended for use during the month of Ramzan, as the map has markings of at least five spots, which could be of possible targets.

If in 1984 the VHP created the Bajrang Dal to protect the Ram Janaki Yatras, in 1993 it moved out of Uttar Pradesh, became a nationwide organisation and was officially designated the VHP's youth wing. Over the years, it has shifted focus from mobilising support for the Ram temple to what its current chief Prakash Sharma describes as "problem-solving". The problems include terrorism both in Jammu & Kashmir and elsewhere in the country, the influx of refugees from Bangladesh, referred to as "infiltration'', and conversions to Christianity. "If government agencies don't act against those whom the Bajrang Dal has identified as an isi agent (any Muslim) or involved in the slaughter of cows, then we just uproot them from society ourselves," said Rukun Singh Payal, a VHP functionary from Uttar Pradesh. So even as the Kanpur case is being investigated, and Bajrang Dal activists continue their rampage against Christians in Orissa, Karnataka and north Kerala, clearly there is a need to study the stormtroopers of the saffron brotherhood.

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Daily Mail
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HAVE YOUR SAY
Oct 08, 2008 12:00 AM
97
Vijay,

>> that line of distinction is very thin.

Not so! America's national heroes such as Washington, Lincoln and Mark Twain, and its religious icons such as Jesus, Virgin Mary and Moses are two clearly distinct categories of adulated figures. By the way, one is not required to adore either the national heroes or the religious icons. There are many critics of Washington as an army general, and American Jews and Hindus do not adore Jesus or Virgin Mary.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 08, 2008 12:00 AM
96
AP:

Yes, but that line of distinction is very thin, what is important is their contibution to the civilisational ethos and quintessential spirit or soul of their countries ...
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Oct 08, 2008 12:00 AM
95
Vijay,

>> All the people I quoted were deeply rooted in their country's christian traditions.

Some more than others. They have their national heroes, and they have their religious icons. The two are distinct.

Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 08, 2008 12:00 AM
94
AP:

Btw, talking about myself without being religious or chauvinistic, I can't imagine India without Ram, Krishna, Gautam Buddha, Guru Nanak, Akbar and Tagore ...
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Oct 08, 2008 12:00 AM
93
AP

All the people I quoted were deeply rooted in their country's christian traditions ...
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Oct 08, 2008 12:00 AM
92
"What do you suggest Mr Ganesan, Gandhi or Nehru, or may be Karunanidhi or Jaylalitha ?"

WHat is the list supposed to mean??

BTW, I am happy to see Gandhi and Karunanidhi in the same list. Gandhi deserves this insult for being a tragic leader that he was.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Oct 08, 2008 12:00 AM
91
Vijay,

>> can't imagine a US without a Washington, Jefferson or Lincoln, similarly a UK without a Shakespeare or Churchill, a France without a Marie Antionette or deGualle or Germany without a Bismarck, Hegel, Beethoven or Wagner .... the list is endless ... can we include India ? What do suggest ?

Your list consists of non-religious figures only. We have Kalidas, Gandhi, Jhansi-ki-Rani, Mirza Ghalib, Ashoka, Akbar, Tagore, Satyajit Ray and several others.

>> India has respected all religions and their messangers since time immemorial.

True, until the VHP and Bajrangdal came along.

Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 08, 2008 12:00 AM
90
AP >>> we are still far from that goal.


I disagree, India has respected all religions and their messangers since time immemorial, and most of Indians (I would say 99%) still do except some misguided lunatic fringe ...
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Oct 08, 2008 12:00 AM
89
What do you suggest Mr Ganesan, Gandhi or Nehru, or may be Karunanidhi or Jaylalitha ?
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Oct 08, 2008 12:00 AM
88
I mean do you have respect for any one ... but a nation and people do ... can't imagine a US without a Washington, Jefferson or Lincoln, similarly a UK without a Shakespeare or Churchill, a France without a Marie Antionette or deGualle or Germany without a Bismarck, Hegel, Beethoven or Wagner .... the list is endless ... can we include India ? What do suggest ?
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Oct 08, 2008 12:00 AM
87
Vijay,

If you are saying that Rama, Jesus and Muhammed should be respected by all, I do not disagree. All I said was that we are still far from that goal.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 08, 2008 12:00 AM
86
Ok Mr Ganesan, point taken ... what is your reflection then ?
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Oct 08, 2008 12:00 AM
85
"All I am saying that the virtues of Ram should be acknowledged and respected by all who indentify themselves as Indians irrespective of their religion,"

There is absolutely no need to acknowledge and respect Ram or anyone else. This is nonsense.

Respect is something which comes after reflection.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Oct 08, 2008 12:00 AM
84
Anwar/Ghulam

All I am saying that the virtues of Ram should be acknowledged and respected by all who indentify themselves as Indians irrespective of their religion, which is what Iqbal did 80 years ago as a true Indian (Hindi) ... likewise all messangers of God inc the Prophet (pbuh) and Jesus Christ should be respected by all Indians irrespective of ... and most actually do ... I rest my case ...
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Oct 07, 2008 12:00 AM
83
Vijay Agarwal,

>> Iqbal clearly meant that Ram is the Imam of India (Hind).

Prophet Mohammed said that God had sent His messengers to all nations. In that sense Ram may be seen by Muslims as the Imam of India. But to extend that to saying that Ram is the spiritual leader of all Indians is meaningless. How many Muslims or Christians in Iqbal's time or now consider Ram to be their spiritual leader? And why raise this question at all? What purpose does it serve? It would be enough if we can get people to respect the religious leaders of others in a general way. But we are far from that goal.

>> we have swept this fundamental question about our national identity under the carpet of a delusory Nehruvian type of "secularism".

National identity and religious identity are two distinct identities. Both are important, but they should not be seen as clashing with each other.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 07, 2008 12:00 AM
82
Having said that, I must add that I do not believe that RSS type nationalism is the answer which imposes a mindset that has its roots in the cultural chauvinism of caste Hindus ...
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Oct 07, 2008 12:00 AM
81
AP/Faruki

Apart from the semantics of the word, Iqbal clearly meant that Ram is the Imam of India (Hind) i.e. as Shia Muslims believe distinct from their Sunni counterparts, that Imams are chosen by God to be perfect examples for the faithful and to lead all humanity in all aspects of life. They also believe that all the Imams chosen are free from committing any sin and have a status directly parallel to those of a prophet.

That's exactly how Ram is venerated among Hindus - incarnation of God ... so there is no dispute there ... however it becomes contentious when used in an "Indian" context ...

This raises a lot of fundamental questions that we as Indians have to ask about ourselves i.e. are we all Indians (Hindi, as even Pakistanis are still frequently addressed in Arabia/Iran, and it is in that Hind that Iqbal wrote his poem); or Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians etc. living in a land called India, Hindostan or Bharat.

Imho, post-independence we have swept this fundamental question about our national identity under the carpet of a delusory Nehruvian type of "secularism" where the nation has taken a secondary place ...
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Oct 07, 2008 12:00 AM
80
Vijay Agarwal,

>> you had described Ram as "just a spritual leader of Hindus" which I considered as impertinent and had to quote even Iqbal ...

I would not use the word "just" before the phrase "a spiritual leader of the Hindus". Iqbal called Ram "Imam-e-Hind", or the "spiritual leader of India". Is there any point in unnecessarily expanding this to mean spiritual leader of all Indians? Because that would be a patently false statement, and you know it. Was Iqbal uttering a falsehood? Iqbal was paying his respect to Ram, and so I called it, "Iqbal's extolling the multiculturalism of India and singing the praises of Ram". If you try to take a chauvinistic meaning out of his words, that would be chauvinistic chortling.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 06, 2008 12:00 AM
79
We need to work at two levels:

• Following needs to happen immediately to stop the usage of religion as a power tool:

- Ban on all funding from outside India for any religion. The conversions should stop. Also it is one of the major reasons why so many funds are channelled for conversions. The channelling of funds by any religion is not helping anybody. It is only increasing hatred and violence. World has already witnessed that in many places. Now we are seeing in India.

- Take stern measures to deal with any external interference especially in the name of religion and specifically by neighbours.


- We need to secure our borders, limit infiltration from all sides to practically zero and reduce influence of our neighbours through infiltration in India.

- Have zero tolerance for violence by anybody in any form. Immediate and drastic punishment needs to be imparted.

- The State should become totally neutral and have no religious leanings hence no funding for any religious institution, no support for any religious activity, no religious holidays. Have a pool of 10 holidays and people take them as they want. Only National holidays need to be common. The last one might be too radical but follow the path of Turkey and now France not allowing anybody to wear any religious symbols. This is important as these are utilised as identifiers and are big creators of faultlines.

- All instruments of state have to be perfectly neutral including police.

• Further, we need to create common denominators between all religions. We all need to understand that essentially all the religions are same at macro level and differences can only be at micro level. We need to understand to interact at macro level. Essentially we are all citizens of same universe and to all of us the same universal laws are applicable.

Religions are essentially different thoughts which came about at different places at different times and all of them have been invariably influenced by the places where they originated. This has happened in case of all religions regardless of the place where they originated. However, one common strain between all of them is: They all want us to be good human beings and at the same time all the religions try to provide a path to salvation. The differences are there but they are more because of their place of origin, the circumstances, and the geography and social milieu in which they originated. In an era where they were working separately in different geographies, it was fine.

India in the past has provided leadership to the world in resolving religious and spiritual matters. Let's do it one more time so that this conflict gets resolved. As a start why can’t our religious leaders in India start this process? This can be a model which entire world can follow. Because if India with the presence of all major religions can do it everybody in the world can do it.

If we don't do it then we shall continue to have situations where religion will be used as a tool for politics and power play in our country. If we want our country to take its place in the major nations, we need to stop the influence of religion on our politics and become a truly secular country. This will eliminate a major basis on which we fight with each other, further we shall also eliminate any basis for terrorism as the religious faultlines shall be stopped from being exploited.
vibhaas
Doha, qatar
Oct 06, 2008 12:00 AM
78
How to stop terrorism and stop religion being used as a power tool in India

Religion works at two levels one is for spiritual upliftment and salvation which is good and is a common thread in all religions. However, there is another level and that is where is starts going wrong. It is used as a power tool. People use this as one of the major tools of identification with their own. This gives an easy tool to the ruling bodies of all religions and politicians to use as a power tool. This allows them to mobilise people behind themselves on the basis of religion. This results in so many conflicts. There had been plenty of religious wars in the past because of this. It is one of the reasons of terrorism which the world faces now as it allows people to be misguided based on their religious identity to attack others.

India's history makes the whole thing a bit complicated. Muslims ruled for around 6 centuries and then were followed by Christians. During their rule both of them used their power to convert the natives. [The conversions have not stopped as lot of funding still continues from outside]. At the time of creating our freedom our leader’s defacto agreed a special status for minorities in India. That is what secularism in India was. A special status for minorities was enshrined in our constitution. Hindus Right was never happy about it and that is what resulted in the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi. The Hindus expected their motherland to be given back to them after independence or at least the primacy of their religion restored. They were not happy with the special status for the minorities. Muslims and Christians were not happy about losing their power status. The power struggle still continues.

Muslims and Christians get huge funding from outside to promote these religions in India as these religions are strong outside and are backed by strong economic powers and the whole thing results in conflicts. Everybody feels threatened, Hindus feel threatened as conversions are seen by them as an attempt to reduce their majority. Presence of largely Islamic Pakistan and Bangladesh as neighbours hasn’t helped as they want to meddle in our country and this has given a basis to the Islamic terrorism in India with full support of these countries. Whenever there is backlash, there is violence. We need to do something to become a truly secular country, reduce conflict and make our country a place where we can respect all religions. This will remove the religious fault lines between us and when there are no fault lines, so that relegious identity cannot be used as a power tool. This will stop terrorism and eliminate violence in the name of religion.

vibhaas
Doha, qatar
Oct 06, 2008 12:00 AM
77
Mr AP/Faruki

Let's not split the hair ... you may not remember what you said in March but I do where you had described Ram as "just a spritual leader of Hindus" which I considered as impertinent and had to quote even Iqbal ...

Now in this thread you again denigrated and digressed by saying that "Iqbal's extolling the multiculturalism of India and singing the praises of Ram, the Imam-e-Hind, are cause for chauvinistic chortling" ...

... this is the point, my dear friend, that if I praise Ram and quote a Muslim scholar/poet who is taken in high veneration in the country for he ironically was in the forefront to create and carve a Muslim "homeland" out of Mother India, you stigmatize and slander it as "chavinistic chortling" ...

One wonders why when Iqbal is still extolled all across India for his immmortal "Sare jahan se accha Hindostan hamara ..." what your response would be ...
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Oct 05, 2008 12:00 AM
76
Vijay Agarwal,

>> What did I say that even remotely sounded like "chauvinistic chortling"?

I have forgotten what our original argument was several montha ago. When you brought it up again yesterday, mentioning my name, what were you trying to say? I know that you are not a chauvinist. But I thought that the point you were trying to make was chauvinistic. In any case I shall appreciate your explaining what your point was.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 04, 2008 12:00 AM
75
Anwar Patel/Faruki

What did I say that even remotely sounded like "chauvinistic chortling" ? It deserves a clarification ...

I was born and bred in Lucknow in Awadh where Hindus and Muslims still do "joyously celebrate in each other's heritage" despite ISI sponsored and abetted terrorism in India in the name of an Islam that is becoming increasingly Wahabist by every passing day, instead of a Sufi one which found an enduring home in India everywhere centuries ago mostly because of India's traditional tolerance of all regardless of what they perceive as "God" and which ever they wish to worship him/her ...

If this sounds to you as "chauvinistic chortling" then you are no different than those you are most averse to, RSS/VHP/Bajrangis or, the perfidious and highly communal Islamic outfits as reveale by Arif Mohd Khan in his eye-opening and piquant article "Look who's hijacked Jamia" ...

Imho, Seshadri is not off the track when he says "Seeing it as chauvunism, and not as a cosmo-culturism, is a defect in your sectarian mind" ...

Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Oct 04, 2008 12:00 AM
74
Seshadri,

I try to bring to your notice and to the notice of everyone else, the irrationality and the hatefulness in your messages. If you listen and change, it will improve your karma. That in turn will improve my karma also.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 04, 2008 12:00 AM
73
Seshadri,

>> Seeing it as chauvunism, and not as a cosmo-culturism...

You miss the point as usual!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 04, 2008 12:00 AM
72
AP:

Why do you have to emphatically publicize your stupidity and lunacy, on reading every statement I make, from perceptions beyond your level, although the truth of my perceptions does get proven to be valid, as time goes on, in most cases?
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 04, 2008 12:00 AM
71
AP:>>"Vijay Agarwal, It is interesting that to you Iqbal's extolling the multiculturalism of India and singing the praises of Ram, the Imam-e-Hind, are cause for chauvinistic chortling rather than what it should be, joyous celebration of each other's heritage!"

Seeing it as chauvunism, and not as a cosmo-culturism, is a defect in your sectarian mind, not in the statements of Viyay.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 04, 2008 12:00 AM
70
AUGUSTUS AAAA:

You say that you "have a higher priority activity to attend to....like urinating on an electric fence."

So, the chimp enclosure at Wonderville Zoo is high security. The zoo authorities don't want a repeat of your breaking out to befoul the town.

Iqbal Z
Pune, India
Oct 04, 2008 12:00 AM
69
"That's why Iqbal was one of principal propounders of the two-nation theory."

But if you are not in awe about Iqbal and his liberalism and modern outlook, you are a fundamentalist.

Just like Maulana Azad, Iqbal is another over rated character. The actual person and the image portrayed of them are no way in sync.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Oct 04, 2008 12:00 AM
68
>> That's why Iqbal was one of principal propounders of the two-nation theory.

Without going into the shallowness of that oft repeated comment, let me say that your post shows scant understanding of what Vijay Agarwal, who started this thread, was trying to argue.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 04, 2008 12:00 AM
67
>>And you are a crypto-lunatic!

whatever the lunacy is, it ain't cryptic.
Augustus aaa
Pune, India
Oct 04, 2008 12:00 AM
66
"It is interesting that to you Iqbal's extolling the multiculturalism of India and singing the praises of Ram, the Imam-e-Hind, are cause for chauvinistic chortling rather than what it should be, joyous celebration of each other's heritage!"

That's why Iqbal was one of principal propounders of the two-nation theory.
sandy
Mumbai, India
Oct 04, 2008 12:00 AM
65
Vijay Agarwal,

It is interesting that to you Iqbal's extolling the multiculturalism of India and singing the praises of Ram, the Imam-e-Hind, are cause for chauvinistic chortling rather than what it should be, joyous celebration of each other's heritage!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 04, 2008 12:00 AM
64
Seshadri,

>> My suspicion is that mahandra 'kumar' is probably a crypto-chr who has joined BD ....

And you are a crypto-lunatic!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 04, 2008 12:00 AM
63
Seshadri,

>> No wonder moslem youngsters in india enjoy playing ram-lila. Mohammed Nabhi only ravan born ....

What a stupid dolt!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 03, 2008 12:00 AM
62
SUBROTO,

Tatas have pulled out of Singur. Its time god-forsaken, moth-eaten "West" Bengal is merged with BONGO BONGO Desh.

Hindu BONGOs can then practise all the sickularism there - till you become extinct in a decade or two in a Islamic republic.
sandy
Mumbai, India
Oct 03, 2008 12:00 AM
61
Seshadri ji

Following is my posting back in March in reponse to Faruki's where he claimed that Ram was just "a spiritual leader of Hindus". It may interest you again as responded to it and Faruki's impertinent attiude:

"Iqbal's couplet:

Hay Raam kay wajood pe Hindustan ko naaz
Ahl-e-nazar samajhtey hayn uss ko Imam-e-Hind

that you have translated implies that Ram was just a "supreme religious leader" [for the Hindus] but what Iqbal means that "Ahle Nazar" - people of vision - consider him as the "Imam-e-Hind".

For Sunni Muslims, Imam is simply a religious title for some one who leads prayer at the mosque, but for Shia Muslims Imam is a leader, whose guidance extends to spiritual and temporal matters, and the theological concepts related to the Imam are the very foundations upon which the rest of the theology rests. Since Iqbal was the follower of Imam Hussain and used Persian as his poetic medium, his concept of Imam is closer to the Shia version when he addressed Ram as Imam-e-Hind ...

Also he wrote:

Ye hindiyon kay fikr-e-falak rus kaa hay asar
Rifat may aasmaan say bhi ooncha hay baam-e-Hind

It is because of the concern of Hindis (Indians) for the spritual beyond that the head of Hind (India) is higher than even than the skies ... clearly he is pointing to our Vedic traditions and ancient Rishis and Munis who aspired and attained the spiritual heights leaving the physical world behind ... who had an enduring effect on Ram right from his childhood through out all his life ..."
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Oct 03, 2008 12:00 AM
60
the Hindu::>>"the Karnataka unit chief Mahendra Kumar, had issued a statement accepting its role. Mr. Sharma dismissed that statement as a “mistake"."

My suspicion is that mahandra 'kumar' is probably a crypto-chr who has joined BD to give it a bad name, by such 'admission' of role in anti-chr activities in such situations.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 03, 2008 12:00 AM
59
SOBROTO:

No wonder moslem youngsters in india enjoy playing ram-lila. Mohammed Nabhi only ravan born in atonement with fatima=sita as dtr and ali =hari = ram as son-in-law, under blessings of allah = hara = Siva. Shia ['Siva-vaadi'] islam, with some reverance for fatima and ali, along with nabhi, has good propects of living in good harmony with hindus in India.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 03, 2008 12:00 AM
58
*** sorry for duplicate posting ... didn't intend to ...
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Oct 03, 2008 12:00 AM
57
Subroto Da

"Masood Ahmad took over as manager of the BKT [Bakshi ka Talab] Ramlila Samiti from his father Muzaffar Hussain, who floated the outfit and also the concept of a mixed cast along with a Hindu friend in 1972."

This is supreme example of Ganga-Jumna tehzeeb.

The "concept of mixed cast" is not unique or originated from Muzaffar Hussain only, as it is quite common among Muslims, especially in Awadh, to participate in Ram Lilas as actors and musicians, though not often as producers or directors. The Ram Lilas as started by Goswami Tulsidas from Varanasi had this sarv dharma sambhav concept which barred no one to take part in these folk re-enactments of the Ramcharit Manasa composed by the saint/poet from Valmiki's Sanskrit original in 16th century (during the reign of Akbar).

ps: Bakshi ka Talab (Bakshi's pond) near Lucknow is situated near the ancient Chandko (Chandrika) Devi temple and was contructed by a Kashmiri Pandit, Tripur Chand Bakshi, a treasurer with the Nawabs of Awadh. It is also a base of Eastern wing of IAF - its airstrip originally constructed by the British was used by US army/airforce for operations against advancing Japanese in Burma.


http://timesofindia.ind...articleshow/3553853.cms
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Oct 03, 2008 12:00 AM
56
Subroto Da

"Masood Ahmad took over as manager of the BKT [Bakshi ka Talab] Ramlila Samiti from his father Muzaffar Hussain, who floated the outfit and also the concept of a mixed cast along with a Hindu friend in 1972."

This is supreme example of Ganga-Jumna tehzeeb.

The "concept of mixed cast" is not unique or originated from Muzaffar Hussain only, as it is quite common among Muslims, especially in Awadh, to participate in Ram Lilas as actors and musicians, though not often as producers/directors. The Ram Lilas as started by Goswami Tulsidas from Varanasi had this sarv dharma sambhav concept which barred no one to take part in these folk re-enactments of the Ramcharit Manasa composed by the saint/poet from Valmiki's Sanskrit original in 16th century (during the reign of Akbar).

ps: Bakshi ka Talab (Bakshi's pond) near Lucknow is situated near the ancient Chandko (Chandrika) Devi temple and was contructed by a Kashmiri Pandit, Tripur Chand Bakshi, a treasurer with the Nawabs of Awadh. It is also a base of Eastern wing of IAF - its airstrip originally constructed by the British was used by US army/airforce for operations against advancing Japanese in Burma.


http://www.outlookindia...over%20Story&sid=4&pn=2
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Oct 03, 2008 12:00 AM
55
Subroto,

"Masood Ahmad recalls the hush that fell when he went onstage to announce an unscheduled break during the raging battle between Lord Rama and
Ravana, last Dussehra. The huge audience assembled at the Bakshi Ka Talaab ground was not amused. A few even began to boo, till the reason for the interruption was explained. The Ramlila cast — including Rama, Ravana and Lakshman — Ahmad explained, needed to offer namaz and break roza . Not a single protest was heard thereafter. The show resumed only after the actors rolled up their prayer mats post-namaz and shared the iftari snacks — right on stage."

Great story!

Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 03, 2008 12:00 AM
54
dear all,

we already have so much of hatred in India. We are practically going at each others throats, this dosn't help anybody. if we continue like this, the only model we shall look at shall be lebanon which had a prolonged civil war. we all are so much concerned about our country and that is why many of us spend so much of time talking and commenting about issues which impact us. why dn't we try and find some common ground? the first principle has to be not to defend and attack
vibhaas
Doha, qatar
Oct 03, 2008 12:00 AM
53
Religions are essentially different thoughts which came about at different places at different times and all of them have been invariably influenced by the places where they originated. This has happened in case of all religions regardless of the place where they originated. However, one common strain between all of them is: They all want us to be good human beings and at the same time all the religions try to provide a path to salvation. The differences were are there but they are more because of their place of origin, the circumstances, the geography and social milieu in which they originated. In an era where they were working separately in different geographies, it was fine. Conflicts arose when two or three major religions came together, Like in India where all the major religions of the world are there. However in the past, this challenge was also dealt by people in one way or the other. People evolved their own local processes by which they could leave peacefully with each other. There were many processes evolved by them to leave peacefully with each other rather than attacking each other.

Globalisation and the instant transfer of news now places a major challenge to all the religions. The local balances created by the local communities are now falling apart. The different religions have not yet evolved a common milieu. This is resulting in conflicts at global level. This can be finished very quickly if interfaith understanding is fostered and developed at global level. We all need to understand that essentially all the religions are same at macro level and differences can only be at micro level. We need to understand to interact at macro level. Essentially we are all citizens of same universe and to all of us the same global laws are applicable.

Why all the leaders of major religions can’t sit together and ultimately agree on some basis of universalism something which can join all of us and we can then have less conflict. This would easily take away atleast one major point of conflict between people.

India in the past has provided leadership to the world in resolving religious and spiritual matters. Let's do it one more time so that this conflict gets resolved. As a start why can’t our religious leaders in India start this process? This can be a model which entire world can follow. Because if India with the presence of all major religions can do it everybody in the world can do it.
vibhaas
Doha, qatar
Oct 03, 2008 12:00 AM
52
Religions are essentially different thoughts which came about at different places at different times and all of them have been invariably influenced by the places where they originated. This has happened in case of all religions regardless of the place where they originated. However, one common strain between all of them is: They all want us to be good human beings and at the same time all the religions try to provide a path to salvation. The differences were are there but they are more because of their place of origin, the circumstances, the geography and social milieu in which they originated. In an era where they were working separately in different geographies, it was fine. Conflicts arose when two or three major religions came together, Like in India where all the major religions of the world are there. However in the past, this challenge was also dealt by people in one way or the other. People evolved their own local processes by which they could leave peacefully with each other. There were many processes evolved by them to leave peacefully with each other rather than attacking each other.

Globalisation and the instant transfer of news now places a major challenge to all the religions. The local balances created by the local communities are now falling apart. The different religions have not yet evolved a common milieu. This is resulting in conflicts at global level. This can be finished very quickly if interfaith understanding is fostered and developed at global level. We all need to understand that essentially all the religions are same at macro level and differences can only be at micro level. We need to understand to interact at macro level. Essentially we are all citizens of same universe and to all of us the same global laws are applicable.

Why all the leaders of major religions can’t sit together and ultimately agree on some basis of universalism something which can join all of us and we can then have less conflict. This would easily take away atleast one major point of conflict between people.

India in the past has provided leadership to the world in resolving religious and spiritual matters. Let's do it one more time so that this conflict gets resolved. As a start why can’t our religious leaders in India start this process? This can be a model which entire world can follow. Because if India with the presence of all major religions can do it everybody in the world can do it.
vibhaas
Doha, qatar
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
51
>>"Disjointed, pompous and comically illogical" are the words that occur to me to characterise your contributions to this site. I might add, "cussedly and ineptly anti-Hindu".

Your contributions are slightly less interesting than a 5 kilo bag of bovine fertilizer.

>>You did well to bow out of the fight. A notoriously truculent fellow, you knew when you were way out of your depth.

In reality, you setting your hair on fire for my askance to validate your existence is amusing. I have a higher priority activity to attend to....like urinating on an electric fence.
Augustus aaa
Pune, India
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
50
AGUSTUS AAA:

"Disjointed, pompous and comically illogical" are the words that occur to me to characterise your contributions to this site. I might add, "cussedly and ineptly anti-Hindu".

Obviously, you are still smarting from the thrashing I gave you over the Kashmir issue ! You did well to bow out of the fight. A notoriously truculent fellow, you knew when you were way out of your depth.
Iqbal Z
Pune, India
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
49
YAWN! Another insipid attempt by Outlook to whitewash the ghaslty crimes of Jehadis.

But effort gone in vain. Coz' no one believes what pseudo sickos say. Except perhaps BONGOS like Subroto and Mukherjee. Bongs anyway are the last persons on earth to put up a fight. Oddly enough, their cousins in BONGO BONGO desh are quite adept at bomb-making.

I wish the Bajrangies all the best - PLS DO TURN YOUR WATER PISTOLS into AK47s. The Islamist must be paid back - bomb for bomb.

Next time though when a big one does go off - I hope Smita Gupta and the entire staff of Outlook are nearby - to witness and experience the spectacle.

Trust me: You have to experience it to believe it. Maybe, just maybe, some sense is then finally drilled into the sicko' press.
sandy
Mumbai, India
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
48
STOPPERBHAI
BANGALORE INDIA

Can you follow up on my behalf the truth of the assertion by the poster, whom you are combating in this forum, "SUBROTO CHATTERJEE - KOLKATA" , that "Reports that Bajrang Dal and VHP goons have been intimidating Christians of Kandhamal ... " ?
You are in a position to challenge him, which I am not, on whose "reports" are these based on and how "authentic" are these, and come out with your own investigation or assessment and record this in the forum. If you cannot counter his claims, I will in my own judgment definitely side with him, otherwise I am on your side. But I should make it clear at the outset that he seems to attack by innuendo and hearsay, and I like to know the real facts which he has not substantiated to my knowledge.

Incidentally, I should record that according to recent German newspapers, which I have read in German language, Islamic mosques to be built in central Europe now are to be subjected to European architectural standard, that is to say that they should resemble say more like Christian Churches than Middle Eastern Mosques. I applaud the Christians for keeping to their traditions. Something like this will be a bombshell for the Jehadis, if insisted in India to follow the Indian Temple architecture, say Konarak!

I look forward to your investigation.
Pinaki S Ray
Adelaide, Australia
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
47
Total BS I have ben part of RSS never ever they talk about muslims in camps so stop peddling lies
Rahul
Delhi, India
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
46
Same BS is on..

I am yet to see evn one hindus connected to any organization who puts bombs in children parks and disappears..
Rahul
Delhi, India
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
45
"Dal activists, Rajeev Mishra and Bhupinder Singh, died while making explosive devices. Kanpur zone IGP S.N. Singh told journalists that the Uttar Pradesh Special Task Force’s investigations had revealed "plans for a massive explosion". Among the material seized were countrymade hand grenades similar to those used by the defence forces." Smita Gupta

Hindus are feebly defending themselves at the prospect of extinction in a few decades. In ALL Islamic countries of today, first the majorities and then the minorities became extinct, over time. Look at the Kashmiri Pundits in the Valley!

Your article is disengenuous and completey misleading-asking chickens to be unprepared before the Colonel Sanders?
hindu
Varanasi, India
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
44
If Bajrang Dal or any otehr Hindus are guilty of bomb blasts hang them. Surely we shall not campaign to save them. Would any of the apoligists of Islamic terrorists, people like Tiesta Sitalwad, Mushirul Hassan, Shabnam Hashmi and MJ Akbar demand the similar treatment for the Muslim terrorist who have killed hundreds in Mumbai, Ahemdabad, Bangalore, Delhi, Jaipur and have bombed temples in Akshardham, Ayodhya and Varanasi.
Ashok Joshi
new delhi, India
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
43
Seshadri,

>> Most participants on the columns have only understood and appreciated the brevity and power of such words coined by me.

If they don't say anything that does not indicate understanding or appreciation.

>> it is our moral duty to fight evil, 'tasmaad yudhyasva bhaarata', says the Gita.

That is what I am doing when I call you up on your hatefulness and lies.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
42
Seshadri,

>> When did you appoint yourself as the single super-justice for world-disputes among all religions.

The lies you were propagating had nothing to do with religions. You were just venting your usual malicious hatred towards Muslims and Christians. If you want to lie about Muslims and Christians without presenting any proof, don't be surprised if other posters may call you up on that.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
41
>>brevity and power of such words coined by me.

prolix and vacuous are the only words that come to mind...
Augustus aaa
Pune, India
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
40
AP:>>"words like Jislamists and Churchians reveal only the hateful character of your mindset".

Most participants on the columns have only understood and appreciated the brevity and power of such words coined by me. Calling devilish behaviour as 'evil' is only statement of fact, no hatred involved. I have only sympathy, even for the prince of darkness, himself, bec even his evil behaviour is only by the will of God, requiring a second-order-system world for stability over time. But, it is our moral duty to fight evil, 'tasmaad yudhyasva bhaarata', says the Gita, without any hatred in our hearts.
That is gandhiji's satyagraha, satya-naaraayaNa-aagraha, really.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
39
AP:>>"You have never produced an iota of evidence"

When did you appoint yourself as the single super-justice for world-disputes among all religions?
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
38
Seshadri,

>> Jislamists and churchians are financially supporting these leaders to weaken hinduism.

You have never produced an iota of evidence. And invented words like Jislamists and Churchians reveal only the hateful character of your mindset.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
37
Iqbal:>>"Unless Hindus learn to unite and get tough to defend their hold on India"

Right. 'unite' is the key word. Besides language, region and culture, the arbutrary division of hindus into FC, OBC, BC, MBC, SC, ST for political benefits of crooked dynastist power-monger leaders in the country should be strongly discouraged. Jislamists and churchians are financially supporting these leaders to weaken hinduism, to make their conquest and conversion operations easier.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
36
SUBROTO CHATTERJEE:

Unless Hindus learn to unite and get tough to defend their hold on India, they will be steadily ground down into a hapless miority.

They need to use tough measures to deal with Muslim terrorism and Christian conversion drives.

The blame for what is going on in Orissa belongs squarely toi Chrirtisn fundamentalist aggression and the media which shields it. Hindus are driven to desperation.
Iqbal Z
Pune, India
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
35
Lalit

You have a great line in insults. I liked your description of some Hindu Islam-sycophant jerk as "full of chickenshit".
Iqbal Z
Pune, India
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
34
ANWAR PATEL

Which organisation you work for .. i would like to apply .. you seem to have so much time ..

Rohit
Pune, India
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
33
>> NOT just in line for it; her write seems to suggest she has already been heavily paid.

Another seshadrism!
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
32
Ms. Gupta, maybe there is no denying that there could be a handful of hot heads in Bajrang Dal even so how do you explain hundreds of muslim groups from Aligarh to Agartala that have hundreds of thousands of terrorists! If you must make a point then make it balanced otherwise even to an untrained eye, its clear that your editorial team is just using you to ferment hatred because obviously if you abuse Hindus through your pen, they get more readers(angry ones) and more eyeballs to your website. In fact, you and other filthy scum like you may get couple of journalism awards from pakistan or some christian funded outfits. Obviously, in this mad race of yellow journalism lots of money is to be made, promotions taken and line up for awards & rewards is to be done. In fact, after I read your article, I realized the difference between you and a lady of ill repute - she only sells herself for money aqnd you do it for money/promotion/award/reward
escoss
delhi, India
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
31
Harish:

You are right. CBI, under cong, would have only tried to amplify the charges ag BD, if evidence was there.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
30
Deepak:>>"Are you in liine for a big donation from Osama Bin Laden"

NOT just in line for it; her write seems to suggest she has already been heavily paid, as also the chateerjis who support her on these columns. Green journalism will stop, in the media, only if and when the oil prices drop very much.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
29
And pray tell us, exactly why the Congress government would like to defend the Sangh activists? Arent Congresswalas supposed to be secular? Aren't they likely to be happy to be able to nail down the Hindu outfits and get them banned? That would fetch them so many more votes from Muslims besides eradicating the only source of "Hindu terror" in the country. So many birds with one stone, yet the Congress acts like a headless chicken and actually dilutes easily-provable charges against their main enemies. Now that's very believable, if you ask me.
Harish
Mumbai, India
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
28
See now what outlook is trying to do .. it wants to change the subject .. debonair editor needs to xome with better idea then this ..

as for this gupta .. unfortunately she must have married a muslim .. now she has to please him!!
Rohit
Pune, India
Oct 02, 2008 12:00 AM
27
swapan das gupta has said.

compareing the bdal to the simi is like compareing a water pistol to a kalashnikov.

apart from vague evidence, how many people from bdal have been caught,how many people have they killed.

your accusations do not matter a tinkers damn.

you are just one of the dumb floosies who has
been enrolled in the jehadi cause.

hope it pays well.
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Sep 30, 2008 12:00 AM
26
The bajrangis are at it again, this time in Gujarat and Malegaaon.
Rohit Gidwani
San Fransisco, United States
Sep 29, 2008 12:00 AM
25
>> "Bajrang Dal is as bad as any incompetent fundamentalist group can be. There is no class or method in whatever it does. It is just a crass organization deserving only contempt."

What is worse, some people want to put hinduism at their altar believing that they are the ones to save it. If it ever becomes a significant majority (who believe that such goons are needed for "protecting" religion), you know that it is all over.
Kumar
Bangalore, India
Sep 29, 2008 12:00 AM
24
I do, thanks for the concern. But do you understand mob psychology??
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Sep 29, 2008 12:00 AM
23
Kiran,

>>>> "We all know about Muslim terrorists. The question is why are terrorist activities of Hindu extremists not looked into or written about."
>> So now this idiot wants the police to stop investigating the serial blasts and start investigating the nanded blasts!!

Imbecile, do you understand english?
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Sep 29, 2008 12:00 AM
22
"Bajrang Dal is as bad as any incompetent fundamentalist group can be. There is no class or method in whatever it does. It is just a crass organization deserving only contempt."

Yes it is everything you say it is. But a much much lesser enemy than the organised religious crime syndicates like SIMI.

You dont worry about smaller cuts on your skin when you are suffering from cancer!! At least not in the degree!!
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Sep 29, 2008 12:00 AM
21
"We all know about Muslim terrorists. The question is why are terrorist activities of Hindu extremists not looked into or written about."

So now this idiot wants the police to stop investigating the serial blasts and start investigating the nanded blasts!!
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Sep 29, 2008 12:00 AM
20
As Shashi Kapoor says in Deewar..."Doosron ke paap ginane se tumhare apne paap kum nahi ho jaate!"

Smita madam, u can go blue in the face shouting that bajrand dal made bombs, but still ppl will not believe that they did the serial blasts in bangalore, ahmedabad and delhi...

You are equating an RDX bomb with a diwali ka pit-pit patakha. you ignorant idiot and liar!!
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Sep 29, 2008 12:00 AM
19
Gidwani, I hope you are being sarcastic, when you say that Hindu militants were behind the Delhi parliament attack and the Akshardham temple slaughter. Otherwise, you have really lost your mind. These recent accusations and innuendo about the Bajrang, are based solely on some riff raff country boys playing around with explosives. They have come in handy for some people, to defelct attention away from Islamic terror, which is both Indian and global. Not to mention an ideology that threatens the world.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Sep 29, 2008 12:00 AM
18
Police ignore key witness to Mehrauli blast


http://timesofindia.ind...articleshow/3537968.cms


Q) Why is the establishment protecting Bajrang dal?

Ans) Because members of the police force are themselves Bajrangis!!!
Rohit Gidwani
San Fransisco, United States
Sep 29, 2008 12:00 AM
17
It is widely accepted, though never acknowledged, by the intelligence communities in India and abroad that Hindu terrorists have committed grave acts of terror in India, including their possible role in the Akshardam attack, the parliament attack, the Malegaon blasts and the recent blasts in Banagalore, Ahmedabad and Delhi.

India is soft on Hindu terrorists. Period.
Rohit Gidwani
San Fransisco, United States
Sep 28, 2008 12:00 AM
16
The Bajrang Dal bogey is a diversionary tactic used by the supporters of the jihadi murderers.
Pradip Singh
stafford, uk
Sep 28, 2008 12:00 AM
15
Bajrang Dal is as bad as any incompetent fundamentalist group can be. There is no class or method in whatever it does. It is just a crass organization deserving only contempt.
Chaitanya
Hyderabad, India
Sep 28, 2008 12:00 AM
14
Rajesh,

>>Today Delhi blast, in which 9 years old boy died, proofs that Delhi police did not break any terror cell.

Delhi police did break the cell. However, there are several such terrorist cells which are operating in India/Delhi. According to modes-operandi of terrorists/ISI, when one cell is active, other cells remain dormant. But as soon as one cell is busted, any one of the remaining cells may be activated. Usually, these cells are set-up in such a way that they are highly compartmentalised, with next to nothing in common between them. They learn to operate in total isolation of each other. This sort of structure lessens their vulnerability in case one of the cells is busted by police. Arrested members of the busted cell usually have very little information on other terrorist cells operating in that area.

>>Encounters were stage managed.

Only for terrorist sympathisers!
J
Bangalore, India
Sep 28, 2008 12:00 AM
13
Varun,

>> "Hindu extremists" are not even remotely suspected in the attack on India's parliament, the Mumbai train bombing, the Varanasi bombing....

We all know about Muslim terrorists. The question is why are terrorist activities of Hindu extremists not looked into or written about.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Sep 28, 2008 12:00 AM
12
"Hindu extremists" are not even remotely suspected in the attack on India's parliament, the Mumbai train bombing, the Varanasi bombing, the Akshardham temple slaughter, or the shooting at an institute in Bangalore which killed a retired professor. Of the 400 terror modules busted by the Indian security forces, not one was a Bajarang Dal outfit.
The Bajrang playing around with country-made weapons, has come as a Godsend for those who, like Anwar, want to raise doubts about the guilt of Islamic terrorists in all the more recent incidents, like Delhi, Jaipur and Hyderabad.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Sep 28, 2008 12:00 AM
11
Thanks to Smita Gupta for writing on an oft neglected subject. Investigation of terrorist acts which focus exclusively on Muslims does not make any sense when so much information exists on the activities of Hindu extremists.
Anwar Patel
Dallas Tx, United States
Sep 28, 2008 12:00 AM
10
Rajesh:>>"Today Delhi blast, in which 9 years old boy died, proofs that Delhi police did not break any terror cell. Encounters were stage managed."

Your logic is faulty. Police could have really cracked a terror cell. The motor-byke delivered blast could be the reaction from some fringe-members of the cracked terror cell. It is foolish to say the arrests were stage-managed, if proofs are given, just because the entire simi-network has not yet been cracked.

Perhaps, the trial of these accused could be fully open to public. All the contributors to 'outlook', along with setalvad and co. can be allowed to be present and argue in favour of the accused, before judgement is delivered.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Sep 28, 2008 12:00 AM
9
KRam:>>"UNCLES ! UNCLES !! " The last words the child uttered . And bang ! ..Did any of our friends and Maulivies condmned here these henious acts of bretheren ?? Teesta,Masurhi Hasan ,Arjun Singh etc.UNCLES ! UNCLES !! " The last words the child uttered . And bang !
Did any of our friends and Maulivies condmned here these henious acts of bretheren ?? Teesta,Masurhi Hasan ,Arjun Singh etc."

Teesta Seetalvad will, of course, say: 'the chaps on the motor byke were hindu bajrangis only, kill all the hindus!'
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Sep 28, 2008 12:00 AM
8
Today Delhi blast, in which 9 years old boy died, proofs that Delhi police did not break any terror cell. Encounters were stage managed.

RSS says that opposing encounter is appeasing Muslims. But does it stop terror attacks and make country any safer?
Only innocent die and RSS benefits from it.
Rajesh
Phoenix, United States
Sep 27, 2008 12:00 AM
7
14.15 hrs (corrected)
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Sep 27, 2008 12:00 AM
6
Another bomb blast in Mehrauli area today in Delhi at 02.15 hrs.Two motor cyclists dropped one tiffin on road .An innocent Hindu boy of 13 yrs lifted the bag and shouted 'Uncles your bag has fallen ! UNCLES ! UNCLES !! " The last words the child uttered . And bang !

Did any of our friends and Maulivies condmned here these henious acts of bretheren ?? Teesta,Masurhi Hasan ,Arjun Singh etc. Where are those Secu groups who were daily writing advisories and protest notes for encounter in Delhi daily against killing of the terrorists.

Ah encounter was fake and the Sharma Inspector killed self to smear the Pak name of Believers who neve rkill in Holy month of Ramjan ! Blasts in Pakistan ?? Month is not yet holy there ??

13 yrs child the Poor soul did not know that they return the gratitude only like this.India is being paid by Bangali Muslims same ways as we saved them from furtther KATLE--AAM by the Punjabi Muslims who had killed already 30 lacs Bangali Muslims and had raped 10 lacs Bangali women to improve the Bangali Muslim race .HUJI is rewarding us and paying the gratitude

Remeber Arabs whom we helped for 40 yrs .Blood in that case too was thicker than humanity. .Another matter Pakistan always stood with USA against Arabs .

Why we grieve ?? Pay for the sins of Gandhies ,Nehrus .
Khushi Ram
ambala cantt, India
Sep 27, 2008 12:00 AM
5
Vivek,

>>Everyone is watching as to what is happening in Orissa, where a bajrangi party is ruling

Every one is watching what is happening in India too, where a "secular" party is at helm!

>>Wherever there is bajrangi rule, it spells doom for the minorities.

Wherever "seculars" rule, it spells doom for Hindus.

>>It has been portrayed by the saffron propaganda that making bombs is only a forte of some Islamic militant groups

How many serial bombings you know about which were caused by Bajrangies.

>>even though at times the bajrangis have been caught in the act of assembling bombs and exploding them even.

Criminal elements in Bihar, UP and Bengal freely manufacture and use bombs. If you are in any doubt you should visit those places during election season. Similar thing might have happened in Maharashtra too. It seems to have been over blown by "secularists" for their own selfish purpose.

If "secularists" can claim Jamia encounter, which took place in broad daylight with scores of cameramen present, as "fake". Then they can be relied upon to spin yarns of fantasy about the little known incident.

>>But ATS & CBI watered down charges.

Did ATS & CBI water down the charges or did "secular" media triumph up the charges.

When you are quoting Smita Gupta, you should also remember that she has proved herself to a blatant liar. She was caught lying through her teeth when she made the following statement in her previous article.
"For instance, in Gujarat in 2002, 500-600 bombs went off—a majority were linked to Hindu organisations."
J
Bangalore, India
Sep 27, 2008 12:00 AM
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>>Just who is a terrorist?

If we use "Secular" logic:

Of course, Hindus. How can "innocent" "peaceful" Muslims be terrorists? After all, Islam is a religion of peace.
J
Bangalore, India
Sep 27, 2008 12:00 AM
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Explosive Acts
Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad’s (ATS) investigation revealed that Dal activists made bombs in Nanded in 2006.
Their target was mosques. They were also involved in planting bombs in three mosques since 2003.
But ATS & CBI watered down charges.
In August 2008 two Dal men were killed while making bombs in Kanpur. Huge cache of explosives seized.>>Smita Gupta

Everyone is watching as to what is happening in Orissa, where a bajrangi party is ruling. Same can be said about Karnataka.Wherever there is bajrangi rule, it spells doom for the minorities.
It has been portrayed by the saffron propaganda that making bombs is only a forte of some Islamic militant groups, even though at times the bajrangis have been caught in the act of assembling bombs and exploding them even. This aspects needs to be looked into everytime a bombing takes place, anywhere.
Vivek Chatterjee
Calcutta, India
Sep 27, 2008 12:00 AM
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dumb slut
lalitmb
kalundborg, Denmark
Sep 27, 2008 12:00 AM
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Smita,
You must be one of these goody goody women who have nothing to do in this world except have great faith in the muslims. They are blowing up the bloody world and you want to be on their side. get out of journalism and go and join a mosque and yoy will see where the bombs are made. Leve the Hindus out of it. Are you in liine for a big donation from Osama Bin Laden
deepak malhotra
sydney, Australia
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