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Karat was opposed to India having the bomb. But he wants India to be able to conduct nuclear tests. He was opposed to India becoming a nuclear power. But he wants Iran to become a nuclear power...

Rajinder Puri

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Journalists called Prakash Karat India's most powerful man. More powerful than the PM, that is. They called him India's second most powerful politician. Second to Sonia Gandhi, that is. Karat's fame grew with his handling of the N-deal issue. How did he handle it?

When the UPA government decided to execute the NDA government's initiative for an Indo-US N-deal, Karat opposed it. He said national security and India's independent foreign policy were compromised. The Left would withdraw support. The government went ahead and negotiated the 123 Agreement for the deal. Karat sought the agreement text. The government showed him the text. The agreement did not refer to nuclear tests. But the US government passed a domestic law, the Hyde Act, which forbade help to any nation conducting nuclear tests.

Karat said that the Hyde Act deprived India of its independence and jeopardised its national security. The government said that the US President was bound by the Hyde Act, not the Indian government. No international commitment prevented India from nuclear testing or pursuing an independent foreign policy. Karat asked why India had supported the UN resolution against Iran. The government said Iran violated its own assurances to IAEA. Russia and China also opposed Iran.

Karat was opposed to India having the bomb. But he wants India to be able to conduct nuclear tests. He was opposed to India becoming a nuclear power. But he wants Iran to become a nuclear power. The UPA government and Left allies set up a committee to settle differences. This happened years ago. The committee has met nine times. Each time the government reiterated its intent to sign the deal. Each time Karat issued an ultimatum to withdraw support if the government went ahead.

Now a few months remain for the government's tenure to end. Anticipating the Left's withdrawal the Congress has held talks with other opposition parties to cobble a majority in parliament. It seems to have succeeded. So Karat asked the government for clarifications about what the government would tell IAEA. We still do not know if he will or will not withdraw support. Or when he might withdraw support. It does not matter. Forget the merits or otherwise of the N-deal. Consider the merits of Karat. On July 14 he will launch a nationwide agitation against the government's economic and foreign policies which it pursued for four years surviving on his support. One understands Karat admires Stalin. What would Stalin have thought of India's most powerful man?

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Jul 12, 2008 12:00 AM 78	On chamchas My hero does no wrong; others’, well, what can we say! Most all politicians are chamchas and are in virtual motion to become bigger chamcha. No one is immune to the chamcha operation! It is the nature of the beast! sohan rockville, United States
Jul 10, 2008 12:00 AM 77	"Karat was opposed to India having the bomb. But he wants India to be able to conduct nuclear tests. He was opposed to India becoming a nuclear power. But he wants Iran to become a nuclear power." Hmm, Mr. Puri, you expect logic from commies? What next, pigs starting to fly? Hope you haven't gone senile. Commies only understand Lahori logic. By the way, looks like the bt*s have finally pulled the plug. Hurrayy, good for the BJP. Split the pseudo-secularists, that's the way to go. ARVIND ROCHESTER, United States
Jul 09, 2008 12:00 AM 76	Lalit, Vir Sanghvi has been tough on Modi, but otherwise he's a pretty balanced and articulate writer. He clearly sees the difference between Hindu objections to certain works of art, and Moslem objections. He thinks there is almost no comparison to make on this matter. His position on the Tibet issue is quite good; he smartly sees the difference between Tibet and Kashmir, instead of mindlessly stating that the separatism in both is based on similar circumstances. He can see the individuality of BJP and VHP leaders, rather than just lumping them all under 'right wing saffron' blah blah blah. There are many writers in India you can denounce way before Sanghvi! Varun Shekhar Toronto, CANADA
Jul 09, 2008 12:00 AM 75	faruki i recommend british media to anyone who is interested in the west and islam. it will be a change from the views of the secular media in india- which has been mind lessly towing the pseudo secular line. the editors like vir sanghvi were children of the left generation, but their bosses now are all hard minded hindu businessmen or women. the british media has ten times more talent, and in britain free thinkers like salman rushdie, martin amis, richard McKevan, still get to express their views without being blackmailed by the lefties. its always useful to read the views of ones adverseries. some good news- tasleema nasreen has been made honorary citizen of paris for her courageous fight against fanaticism and bigotry. in india muslims were intent on killing her, but missed this chance because she left herself, though after a horrible treatment by the secular upa govt. did you write as many letter as you did in the case of sohrabuddin. cant remember. perhaps you spoke up for tasleema as well. jai bajrang bali lalit bagai kalundborg, Denmark
Jul 09, 2008 12:00 AM 74	Vinod, Thanks for addressing five posts to me. Since there is not much substance in any of them, I shall not take up any space with responses. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 09, 2008 12:00 AM 73	J, >> Only Islam and Quran have the concept of Jihad against Kafirs. The term as it is commonly and incorrectly used now is applicable to you and Namo. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 09, 2008 12:00 AM 72	GF, >>However anyone who spends all his time trying to promote his religion .... Only Islam and Quran have the concept of Jihad against Kafirs. You can't just coin new definitions of to suit your pathetic arguments. J Bangalore, India
Jul 09, 2008 12:00 AM 71	We are not a communist country and there is no reason why we should allow communists to even live in India, forget about forming political parties. Same is true with religious parties. These should be banned too, as our constitution does not recognize any particular religion as a state religion. Communism is a failed ideology, economically and socially unsustainable. They say that they work for economic equality, but instead of pushing poor masses upwards, they pull the whole system down through subsidies and reservations, killing entrepreneurship and meritocracy along the way. I am genuinely surprised how and why educated Bengalis tolerate this stupid party. In my opinion, they should be banned from politics effective immediately. kunal denver, usa
Jul 09, 2008 12:00 AM 70	J, >> I give you the benefit of doubt. Your childish exchanges will never stop! However anyone who spends all his time trying to promote his religion at the cost of the religions of others is a jihadi. You and Namo are jihadis. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 09, 2008 12:00 AM 69	GF/Anwar, >>Just a week ago you admitted that sanghis have to adopt jihadi techniques. I give you the benefit of doubt, otherwise I would have called you a blatant liar. I had only posted an extract from Arun Showrie's article where he says that Hinduism needs to have Islamic body in order to save its Hindu soul. I can give you the link if you want. As there is no hope that you will ever grow up. I take the high moral ground and stop for now. J Bangalore, India
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 68	J, >> Only Quran and Islam teach Jihad against Kafirs. Just a week ago you admitted that sanghis have to adopt jihadi techniques, although I forget your exact words. And yes, you should stop these childish exchanges. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 67	Sohan, >>There is life without the deal. I agree, but the question is good life or bad life. J Bangalore, India
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 66	GF/Anwar, >>You being a jihadi Hindu should know better than I Only Quran and Islam teach Jihad against Kafirs. By making above statement, you only reveal your propensity for deceit and subterfuge. PS. GF when are you going to get tired of these childish exchanges. Now, don't reply with "After you" or some other equally childish response. J Bangalore, India
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 65	Which border, Mr. Shyamal Barua, Bangladesh or Pakistan?. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 64	Ashok, >> I can imagine your 4th pregnant wife laughing .... That's what I have been trying to tell you; that you have a sick imagination. >> Go get a life!! But, that is forbidden in Islam. Right? Seems all your remarks about me refer to Islam or to my being a Muslim. This may have something to do with your upbringing. I, however, will never say that you are stupid because you are a Hindu. You are stupid because you are stupid. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 63	>> Please do not stand in front of Rashtrapathi Bhavan and claim "We have 272". Sentimentally it will bring back bad memories. If nobody remembers, Ganesan will be there at the Rashtrpati Bhavan with his bullhorn to remind people of that non-event! Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 62	J, >> It is good to know that Jihadis also have a good laugh! You being a jihadi Hindu should know better than I. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 61	On sharing the info The government has to follow the protocol. Period. Kaka should say that since he is not privy to the full text of the deal, he cannot support the deal. Why bring in the Hyde act nonsense? Anyway, there is life without the deal! sohan rockville, United States
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 60	What a ludicrous criticism from Congress "When the entire nation is mourning those killed in the Kabul blast, the Left has chosen to make the announcement. It is most unfortunate. They think their prestige is more important than the nation's prestige," AICC media department chairman Veerappa Moily said minutes after the Left's announcement." The question can easily be reversed. What the heck the PM is doing in Japan when 41 people died in Kabul? WHy is he not at Kabul? I mean, the stupidity of these "media department" people is stunning. Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 59	And a final advice to Sonia: Please do not stand in front of Rashtrapathi Bhavan and claim "We have 272". Sentimentally it will bring back bad memories. Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 58	Congress would do well to dissolve the parliament and call for elections around winter. Even if it somehow manages to pull off 272 members now, it would be a rag tag coalition and further erode whatever goodwill COngress has. For its own sake, Congress should call for early elections. Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 57	On Hyde act rationale If the deal as is presently proposed does not go through, rationale for not supporting the deal matters little. The patient is dead; the family suffers. Does the family care what the doctor says? The family cares for the hardships the inflation has inflicted more than the why’s of the deal. The deal won’t be an election issue. There is life without the deal. sohan rockville, United States
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 56	BTW, Brinda Karat made a good point in CNN IBN. She asked why the PM made the statement from foreign soil and not on Indian soil. A very fair question. The coward could make the statement only from afar!!! And this will be touted as courage in the succular media. Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 55	Sohan, >>Mr. Karat opposes the deal and so does Kaka Advani. Both oppose the deal on grounds it would make India subservient to US. Thats not correct. We all know why Left is opposing the Nuclear deal. They are more interested in safe guarding the interests of China, than India. BJP on the other is not at all opposed to the idea of nuclear deal with US. In fact it was BJP which did much of the ground work on Nuclear Deal during its rule. So it is patently wrong that BJP is opposed to Nuclear deal because it will bring India under US influence. BJP's main problem with deal are certain clauses in Hyde act. It is not the deal as a whole that BJP is opposed to. BJP is only saying that it will not support the deal until govt. safeguards India's strategic Nuclear weapons program from Hyde act. I think that India should pass a law similar to Hyde act(Unhyde act) in its parliament, which overturns the hyde act by including some punitive action against American companies and business interests. It will come in handy, in case US threatens sanctions against India if India conducts another round of Nuclear tests. J Bangalore, India
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 54	GF/Anwar, >>We always have a good laugh at buffoons like you It is good to know that Jihadis also have a good laugh! J Bangalore, India
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 53	So the battle of wits is here over the Indo-US Nuke deal and I got out of the loop due to my trip across the border. The author's potshot at Prakash Karat is only on the surface but does not address the bone of contention over the Hyde act and the real reason behind the so called largesse of Uncle Sam, which readers can catch a glimpse in my article titled, Indo-US Nuclear Deal: An insider's perspective" vide link http://www.youthejourna...icle.php?aid=2454&sid=2 and I need to catch up with the spat between Anwar Patel and Ashok, which is reaching a climax of sort but neverthless a very enjoyable ones.. keep it up folks!!! Shyamal Barua kolkata, India
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 52	Ashok, >> Laughing is a taboo in Islam... We always have a good laugh at buffoons like you. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 51	Ashok, >> your hatred aginst BJP/Advani has blinded you. Words of a person who is more blinded by hate than anyone else in this forum! >> you Mullahs can oppose n-deal. Idiot, I have supported the deal consistently from the beginning. >> BJP's opposition for cogent and valid reasons ... HAAH! You make me laugh. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 50	>> This line of reasoning has taken a life of itself without anything to back it up. That is because lying comes naturally to seculars. Al Bundy San Francisco, United States
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 49	Ganesan, >> There are scores of nuclear scientists who have opposed the deal and who have nothing to do with BJP. You and your scientists! Judging form previous arguments that you have made opposing the theory of evolutiion and denying the dangers of global warming, you seem to have to have a peculiar predilection for loony scientists! P.S: Time for you to make a rude retort! Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 48	Brahma Chellaney has reservations about the deal http://www.asianage.com...e/brahma-chellaney.aspx THough I realize that he is not as knowledgable and as patriotic as Faruki, I guess his words should mean something. I will point out that Abdul Kalam supports the deal. Why? Not because he is unaware of the objections but he thinks the benefits outweigh the concerns. And there are others who think the concerns outweigh the benefits. It is a matter of perception. Neither group is pseudo-national or anything like that. Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 47	"That does not negate the fact that the stand that the BJP took goes against national interest. " There are scores of nuclear scientists who have opposed the deal and who have nothing to do with BJP. Shut up. Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 46	>> To begin with, The govt does NOT need the Left or the BJP in order to make the deal. That does not negate the fact that the stand that the BJP took goes against national interest. That's why it is the pseudo-nationalist party. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 45	People who want BJP to support the govt on the nuke deal(like Faruki and Seshadri) show their total ignorance about the Indian parliamentary system. Support from BJP makes sense ONLY if certain policies are put for vote in the parliament. That is if the constitution requires that the govt gets the approval from the parliament in certain areas. If such a req is there, then the govt will bring the issue to parliament a vote happens. If the vote fails, the govt will still survive because what got defeated was the issue and not the govt. But that is not how the system works in India. And so to expect BJP to support the govt is absurd. Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 44	"Clause 1: UPA may get credit for a success. (Prevent that even if it means going against national interest!)." This line of reasoning has taken a life of itself without anything to back it up. To begin with, The govt does NOT need the Left or the BJP in order to make the deal. No approval from parliament is necessary. Second, if the Left parties withdraw the support to the govt because of the nuke deal, does anyone seriously expect the BJP to vote in confidence for the govt? This is absurd. There cannot be a no confidence motion specifying an issue. A no confidence motion applies to the whole of govt and whole of its policies. Even if BJP is for the present nuke deal, it is ludicrous to expect it to vote for the govt. One step further. Assuming BJP to vote in favour of govt, does anyone seriously believe COngress will take that support and run the govt? Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 43	Ashok, >> Advani and BJP has objections to certain clauses in the agreement. Clause 1: UPA may get credit for a success. (Prevent that even if it means going against national interest!). Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 42	"The key SIX states (AP42, Bih40, Mah48,TN39,UP80, WB42) that determine the Government @ Centre (Delhi) are all in favour of Congress." No they are not. Congress made a sweep in AP and TN. They are going to lose big time in TN and quite a few seats in AP. Congress-RJD made a sweep in Bihar last time. This time they would be lucky to get half of the last time. The same is the case with Maharashtra. In UP, Mulayam won 39 seats last time. He is going to some of those. How much is Congress going to bring to the table in UP? Not much. Congress may make some gains in WB but that would be offset by the losses elsewhere. Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 41	Let me tell you, the SP move has made a political turn around - not only - on the deal but also in the forthcoming elections. The key SIX states (AP42, Bih40, Mah48,TN39,UP80, WB42) that determine the Government @ Centre (Delhi) are all in favour of Congress. There's a chance for INC to come back to power, if they play their cards cannily. Sasi KC Reston, United States
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 40	Cantaloupe on the knife or knife on the cantaloupe, result is the same! My hero does no wrong; others’ heroes do nothing right! sohan rockville, United States
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 39	Parkash Karat may be a devil and a joker, but, at least, he is not a fence sitter and an opportunist. Politicians who remain rigid in their approach are as dangerous as those who change their views so often. Mr. Karat opposes the deal and so does Kaka Advani. Both oppose the deal on grounds it would make India subservient to US. If karat is wrong, so is the Kaka. What earns Karat the lone distinction of being the target of mudslinging! sohan rockville, United States
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 38	"Marxist Cultural Destruction" "Marxists and their cohorts are relatively clear what they want to achieve in India. They want the destruction of Hindu civilization and establishment of a proletariat Marxist state. For the last seventy five years, Marxists are working hard to realize their misguided and dangerous goals through positive sounding slogans such as “inclusion”, “human rights”, “feminist empowerment”, “classless society”, and “women’s rights”. With these positive sounding words, Marxists call for the destruction, in every possible way to deconstruct Hindu thoughts and bring down the Hindu culture." "Cultural reconstruction and destruction has become a policy of Marxists in India. This made possible not only through conscious vandalism against Hindu temples, but also with the creation of an actual culture of violence against Hindu cultural institutions. Marxist plan to change Hindu temple practices, rituals, cultural tradition and management of Hindu temples is based on their false claim that all principles of our existence are historically situated and structured by bourgeois. These traditional Hindu experience and institutional force including the language, symbols, environment, art, music, temple festivals, literature as well as values and ethics stand in the way for Marxist expansion. These systems need to be reconstructed. Marxists want to deconstruct our traditional cultural precedents, ideas, frameworks, beliefs and philosophy. These Marxist deconstructionists claim that our social bonds and value system, culture and spiritual practices, temples, social institutions and education perpetuate bourgeois power. These beliefs and practices that connect people together must be deconstructed or destroyed." http://pseudosecularism...-destruction.html#links J Bangalore, India
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 37	"CPI(M)-led Islamic terrorism at Ganga Sagar" "On 12 June (Thursday) 2008, at Sagar Island (also known as Ganga Sagar) 6000 Muslim terrorists let loose organized violence against 180 unarmed Hindu devotees who had gone to Ganga Sagar to attend a Yoga and Training Camp organized by Hindu Samhati in a building belonging to the Kolkata Textile Association. A 6000 strong Muslim crowd, armed with sharp-edged weapons attacked the building (near Kapil Muni temple) and beat up Hindu pilgrims at around 7 pm in a savage manner. . Tapan Kumar Ghosh, the National Convenor of Hindu Samhati and Sunder Das, one of his lieutenants, were badly injured. A few policemen deployed on the spot were also manhandled when they tried to intervene. Tapan Ghosh and Sunder Das, both workers of Hindu Samhati, were also beaten up. The four-hour ordeal continued till a larger contingent of police force headed by the Kakdwip BDO and SDPO arrived. Instead of arresting the Islamic marauders for their acts of terrorism against the majority community, the West Bengal Police arrested on Friday 15 Hindu pilgrims. The police also arrested Tapan Ghosh and Sunder Das, the two Hindu leaders and it has been reported that Tapan Ghosh continues to be in police custody." "In a country that gained independence by chanting slogans like `Bharat Mata Ki Jai’, in a land where the nation is considered to be one’s mother, a time has come when people are beaten up brutally and then arrested for chanting the same slogan that once stood as one of the symbols of Indian freedom struggle. That too, right under the administration’s noses, with local CPI (M) leaders assisting the goons in their tirade. This shocking incident is not one being reported from a remote village of the country, but from Sagar Islands - the pilgrimage considered to be one of the holiest in India. In a place considered so divine by the Hindus, about 172 Hindus were beaten up brutally late on Thursday night (12 June 200 8) by a group of immigrant Bangladeshi Muslims, only because the Hindus had dared to utter `Bharat Mata Ki Jai’ and `Jai Sri Ram’. What shocks us all more, is the fact that the attackers were led by a Muslim youth named Sheikh Ismail, who happens to be CPI(M)’s Panchayat Samiti seat winner in the area’. " http://janamejayan.word...rrorism-at-ganga-sagar/ J Bangalore, India
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 36	Cornellite (aka Joseph of Karachi fame) .... I presume you have a copy of the "express orders" from your friends in the State Dept. (or is it the White House). "... who impell me to do so." ... oh poor little Joseph baba, such a nice guy, out to educate the uneducatible arrogant Indians and getting impell(ed) :-) Do you wake up everyday and ask "mirror, mirror who is the most balanced and factual of them all" but then you see in it the image of that nemisis of yours ... the uneducatible arrogant Indian (Hindusthani Hindu or some such label you like using)"? Arun Maheshwari Bangalore, India
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 35	The article is well-written. The citizens of this country are ready to listen to anybody as long as the politician himself is fully convinced of what he is saying and has enough rationale to support his statements. However, if his purpose is just to impede the developmental process and get the fun of his (misconstrued) ability to pull down the government just the way the dog does by biting a dead bone then such politians had better not be taken seriously. Karat's statement that imperialist nations secretly MAY have artificially created the west Asian oil price inflation in order to foce india sign the nuclear power treaty is a thrilling conjecture but is there any proof for it? If not, Karat had better write a fictional novel rather than make front-paper news statements. Oil prices have soared in the US too. Oil prices are (said to be) low in Pakistan because it is a Muslim country and hence Gulf countries have a reason to part with some profits with their Muslim brothers. Moreover, the overall oil usage in Pakistan is probably nowhere near that of India (which itself is also of course ony 1/8 of the world consumption). No doubt, nuclear power is a viable alternative for our electric power requirement and without the nuclear treaty we are not going to get the raw material for our nuclear power plants. The fact that oil prices will continue to soar and sources will continue to deplete is a scientifically proven fact beyond the man-made lines of international politics. A huge drive has already been initiated not in India but all over the world to go for non-conventional energy sources. It is necessary not for our own country's energy security but for the whole world's energy and environmental security. Nuclear technology, at least for large scale power production, is a proven alternative to oil and coal based plants. Fortunately, we have a huge country to be able to conveniently and safely setup several nuclear power plants and harness the pollution free energy. The nuclear treaty can only give the required raw material for it. Dean Taylor delhi, India
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 34	If we dont sign nuclear deal then: 1. No US Assistance to nuclear program. No supply of Uranium from ANYONE. 2. We explode nuclear weapons and everyone sanctions us. If we do sign nuclear deal: 1. US Assistance to nuclear energy program. Uranium supply deals with several producer country. 2. We explode nuclear weapons and everyone sanctions us. Readers please identify the stupid option. If you need a clue, look where Karat points. vijay Chennai, India
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 33	There remains in India a breed who are opposed to the idea of India as a progressive, secular and a proud nation destined to reclaim a right amongst nations consistent with its size, its people and its long living history. No surprises- we all know who always votes against India in international forums- you guessed it- the left. Praying to the vast or rapidly dwindling "ummah" believers of leftist idelogy across the world, the left in India are a fine example of what anti national fifth column work in any country would work like. They are still wrapped up in cold war rhetoric and blind anti westernism. China and Russia have moved on. Not the left. They remain, trapped in stale but shrill ideology unable to make sense of a world that has moved a million miles since the Stalin era. Karat is one more example of a bright relatively young man trapped in a make believe world that does not exist nor will come into being. There are thousands of these misguided youths who still exist- thankfully only in the blighted states of Kerala, WB and Tripura. It still is a heavy burden on the poor people of those states and definitely a drag on the whole of India's momentum. One can only hope that in a generation they are consigned to where they truly belong- In the immortal worlds of Kruschev- the dustbin of History. Sunil Ponani, India
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 32	Why doesn't Mr Puri highlight the contradictions in the US's stand on these issues? If you read them with Mr Karat's stand then we will have to admit that there are no inherant contradictions in his, Karat's, stand. Major P M Ravindran (Retired) Palakkad, India
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 31	How about all that baloney in your face, Mr. Vijay Agarwal. India was not just expressly ordered put many of its body parts were squeezed. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 30	I do not change my IDs by own volition, Mr. Vijay Agarwal. There are many Sangh Parivar imposters and abusers, who impell me to do so. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 29	This is called intereference in the internal affairs of others, Mr. Ashok, which is a Western Virtue. In a few days the Organiser will tell you how many Visas and more were provided to the S. P. for bailing out Bush. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 28	Most Indian politicians are a breed of opportunity and power hunger. Anything that would put them in the chair is kosher! And why not! The senior leaders have only a few years left to their lives to win the crown In today’s world, changing strategies, political and economical, is normal and even necessary, only if the change is for the best interests of the society and not for getting political power. sohan rockville, United States
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 27	read: "Frequently changing his Ids and throwing names and places around, he tries hard to save his bleeding credibility but ... " Vijay Agarwal Northampton, United Kingdom
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 26	read: "a complacent egotist from Karachi persists in throwing mud on India with his baloney stories ..." Vijay Agarwal Northampton, United Kingdom
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 25	By quoting some controversial newspaper reports and a dubious article by a known leftist anti-west outfit like SAAG (South Asia Analysis Group), a complacent egotist persist in throwing mud on India with his baloney stories like his recent one that India was pressured by the US to vote against Iran, while he fails to answer why Russia and China did the same ? Frequently changing his Ids and throwing names around, he tries hard to save his bleeding credibility but ... Vijay Agarwal Northampton, United Kingdom
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 24	Ha Ha Ha! The egg is on Karat's face. The too -smart-by half gangleader of the comrades and his wife are left high and dry by the astute Sardarji of the Congress. The Commies are set to lose much more than their stand in blocking the N-Deal; a Congress -Trinamool tie up in WB and a strong anti-commie stand in Kerala will throw them out of power from these states. And the Congress other than adding a feather in its cap by completing the Nuke deal will in addition to making gains in commie territory might forge a winning combination with Mulayam's SP in UP which might lead to its holding power at the Center even after the next Loksabha polls. Suddenly, the whole game at the Center has become interesting. Ideologically bound 'Lakeer ke Fakeer' who have extra-territorial affiliations are bound to be outplayed and upstaged in this manner. Success only comes to those who are sensitive and adapt to the existing realities instead of adopting ideological stances. Muslim for Reform Nashik, India
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 23	First of all, it shows the standard of Journalism in India. They couldn't figure out the character of this man called Prakash Karat. What does he know about Forign Policy, when he has hardly travelled abroad or read about other countries? Because People's Deomocracy, the magazine he reads does not contain any news about foreign countries other than Russia and China. He has shown that he devoid of intelligence, logic, and is completely irrational. He said, if PM goes to G-8 he will withdraw support. How irrational? There is no co-relation between N-Deal and the G8. It shows: How stupid he is. He is now asking the Govt. of India items of information, which are not his prerogatives. He is completely unrealistic in making such absurd requests. What would have Stalin done with Prakash Karat? Answer: He would have sent him to mental assylum. Lastly, perhaps it is good for India, he is now writing the obituary of Communism in India. Kel Shorey Glasgow, United Kingdom
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 22	$ Karat wants to drink the American hot soup without touching his tongue (more gain without pain). $ At the same time, he doesn't mind carrying a Chinese BOMB in his BUTT 24/7. $ While a personality like APJ Kalam acknowledges the deal that it's good for the country, why should Chopsticked Karat oppose it. $ The brother-in-law of Brinda Karat (Prannoy Roy) should stop propagating for the Commies on the NDTV channel. $ The fall of Communism in India is expected by the next FALL.... Sasi KC Reston, United States
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 21	faruki to my surprise the muslims expressed reasoneable opinions. they said clearly that it was not a muslim issue. these guys appeared smarter then you. but then thats to be expected, considering the competition. now drink your mecca cola, and of to bed. lalit bagai kalundborg, Denmark
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 20	At dinner, yesterday, Mr. Prakash, I put this question, as promised, to Mr. Jan Hoebrichts from Roermond, The Netherlands, who was on an extended tour in North America talking about St. Francis and Islam, which was highlighted by an extended Inter-Faith Dialogue in Colorado Springs. My question was Is there a return to Faith and Diminution in Secularism.. He said he was busy with preparing the Proceedings of his current trip and would revert to me from Roermond. Jan is a former Fransican Friar who taught at the Catholic National Seminary in Karachi. We attended his Church in the 60s. The friendship and the dialogue endure. He married a Karachi girl on leaving the priesthood. They stay with us in Karachi. We with them in Roermond. He is 78 now. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 19	After being a superhero to the mostly leftist journalists for so long Prakash Karat will now be in the doghouse of the Marxist Party for his failure to scuttle the nuke deal.He has clearly overplayed his hand.Consider his audacity in asking the PM not to attend the G8 meeting!!!He seems to have really believed all that adulatory stuff fed to him by the leftist journos. Narendra Maganti Hyderabad, India
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 18	As reparation for improper use of the word Baloney, please visit this farm, pick up some Bologna Sausages and consume them for me, Mr. Vijay Agarwal. New Creation Farm Furnace Ln, Nether Heyford, Northampton, NN7, UK maps.google.ca There are very few people who have got on the wrong side of me in a debate and survived, I rebut hard. At the same time when I am wrong or unnecessarily hurt feelings, I apologise immediately. You have seen both sides personally. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 17	Paper no. 1572 11. 10. 2005 INDIA’S VOTE IN FAVOUR OF REFERRAL OF IRAN NUCLEAR ISSUE TO UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL (IAEA MEETING SEPTEMBER 2005) REVIEWED By Dr Subhash Kapila (Readers of the authors papers on Iran’s nuclear programme issue in recent weeks questioned in their feedback the silence on India’s vote in favour of a UN referral of Iran’s nuclear programme issue. This paper is in response to the readers demands – The Author) http://www.southasiaana...pers16%5Cpaper1572.html ------ Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 16	India’s role in US-led gang-up against Iran inflames debate over Indo-US ties By Vilani Peiris and Keith Jones 10 February 2006 ------ Baloney to you, Mr. Vijay Agarwal. Who is deserving of contempt now?. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 15	Prakash Karat has a suggestive name ! Perhaps the only Carrort that will work for him is Cash !! Gaurav Gupta San Luis Obispo, United States
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 14	The story has been reported extensively in the Hindu and the Times of India http://www.hindu.com/20...es/2007021605671200.htm http://www.hindu.com/20...es/2007021709121400.htm http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ India_coerced_into_voting_against_Iran/articleshow /1630182.cms Ambassador Mulfords statements of January 2006 are reported by the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/1.../south_asia/4649742.stm ------ Please do not baloney me again, Mr. Vijay Agarwal. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 13	To say that India voted against Iran "on the express orders of USA" is contemptuous and total baloney. China and Russia also voted against Iran ... did they do it "on the express orders of USA" ? Vijay Agarwal Northampton, United Kingdom
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 12	Yes, Mr. Vijay Agarwal. Please go back to the intense and immense lobbying at that time. In the shadowy world of baloney, nothing is baloney. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 11	Mr.B.V.Shenoy I only answered to the hypothetical question raised by Mr.Puri. During the Stalin era, the Indian Communist cobra had not spread it's hood to strike. That stage was to unfold later. I only pointed out what Stalin expected the communists in other countries to do for which he established a 'Comintern' in Moscow to supervise the work. My views about the present Indian communists are not different from those of Shenoy. T.Sathyamurthi Folsom, United States
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 10	India voted against Iran in the United Nations, Mr. Vimal, on the express orders of the United States Of America. The strange irony is that Iran is alive and kicking whereas the Nuclear Deal is in Intensive Care. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 9	"Indian Marxists and their evil designs" Karl Marx took a dim view of India and its heritage. Writing in the New York Tribune dated June 25, 1853 (quoted in Lewis S Feuer edited Marx and Engels Basic Writings, Anchor Books, NY 1959, pp. 474-481) he claimed that the ‘Golden Age’ of India was all myth and India was always a poor starving country. He further went on to admire and appreciate the British for destroying the Indian village industry and economy so that India could ‘modernise’. But to the Indian communists, the words of Marx are like commandments from God. Their devotion to the dead communism can be seen on the walls of Calcutta, possibly the only city in the world where you can find pictures of Marx, Lenin and Stalin displayed with pride. Following the footsteps of Marx, the Indian communists have deep hatred of anything Indian and are opponents of any kind of pride in Indian heritage. The communists also hold that India is not one nation but a ‘collection of nationalities’. Another major tenet of Indian Marxist’s orthodoxy is that for national reconstruction you have to first destroy the existing nation. The communists have had many ideological splits. Communists in India are splintered into several groupings like the CPI, CPM, CPI (M-L), Maoists and the People’s War Group. But despite several ‘historical blunders’ that they keep committing with regularity, they have all remained steadfast to the twin agenda of weakening and destroying the existing Indian nation and obliterate the ‘bourgeois’ notion of pride in India’s past. " http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14514872 J Bangalore, India
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 8	B.V.Shenoy, I too have read somewhere that communists joined democratic process only because they wanted to weaken the system from the inside. J Bangalore, India
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 7	Sathyamurthy, You said, "Stalin never had any respect for the Indian Communist Leaders because unlike the terrorism that he and his party adopted to bring the communists to power in Russia , the Indian Communists threw their lot in favour of a democratic system that Stalin never believed(in)" This is a complete travesty of truth. The Indian Communists too never believed in democracy per se. They too adopted armed struggle as their credo. Remember naxalbari? The armed insurrection against the Indian state in the 50s and 60s was their way of achieving victory for the proletariat (whatever the hell it means). Only when the Naxalite uprising was brutally put down by the state of West Bengal did the commies changed their tack and begin to sing the tune of democracy for the Indian public to hear. Still, Jyothi Basu famously declare that they" would wreck the Indian state from within". So, don't be gullible. Do not trust the commies even for a second. B.V.SHENOY BANGALORE, India
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 6	I am fan of Mr Puri and Mr Parthsarthy for Indian diplomat for their sensible flat statement. I would urge them to print Iranian record of working against Indian interest and voting against India in international forums. This will give answer to many psedo-seculars asking why india voted against Iran in UN vimal Munich, Germany
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 5	Stalin never had any respect for the Indian Communist Leaders because unlike the terrorism that he and his party adopted to bring the communists to power in Russia , the Indian Communists threw their lot in favour of a democratic system that Stalin never believed. He was the man who questioned how many Army Divisions the catholic Pope had when some one in his Council of Ministers suggested diplomatic relations with the Vatican. He respected communists like Mao of China or Kim of North Korea who seized power following his foot steps. Whatever respect he gave to the By-gone S.A.Dange or A.K.Gopalan, nothing more or nothing short of that, he would have given to Karat. Karat's strength is derived from Manmohan Sing's weakness. Nothing original. It is just like a moon shine. T.Sathyamurthi Folsom, United States
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 4	Ashok, >> National interest jaaye bhaad mein! You must be talking of the BJP's politicizing the nuclear treaty issue of course! Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 3	"As fall of India’s Union government looks a matter of days on the issue of Indo-US nuclear deal, the political parties are exploiting the issue the way most suitable for their political future. Some political parties like CPI (M), BSP and SP have taken upon themselves to speak on behalf of the Indian Muslims when it comes to the nuke deal. But what do Indian Muslims think about the deal themselves? TwoCircles.net contacted some of them in India and abroad to get their opinion." http://www.twocircles.n...ay_deal_or_no_deal.html Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 2	"One understands Karat admires Stalin" How does Mr Puri know this (since there are various stripes of communists, including those who don't "admire" Stalin)? Can he please cite the source of this information? Or is this insight arrived at in the same way as Mr Puri determined organ trade to be the real reason underlying Arushi Talwar murder? neeraj NJ, USA
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 1	It is hard to tell what Stalin would have thought about karat. But Mao Zedong would have been extremely happy with what his disciple karat is doing . basically karat is working towards Chinese agenda , that is strong (militarily & economically ) China and week India . Now finally the game seems to be up for Mr. Communist. Most likely this alleged “powerful man” would melt in to oblivion after next general elections. Even his own comrades would have to distance themselves from karat if they hope to have any credible presence in Indian politics. san bankalore, india

Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 1	It is hard to tell what Stalin would have thought about karat. But Mao Zedong would have been extremely happy with what his disciple karat is doing . basically karat is working towards Chinese agenda , that is strong (militarily & economically ) China and week India . Now finally the game seems to be up for Mr. Communist. Most likely this alleged “powerful man” would melt in to oblivion after next general elections. Even his own comrades would have to distance themselves from karat if they hope to have any credible presence in Indian politics. san bankalore, india
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 2	"One understands Karat admires Stalin" How does Mr Puri know this (since there are various stripes of communists, including those who don't "admire" Stalin)? Can he please cite the source of this information? Or is this insight arrived at in the same way as Mr Puri determined organ trade to be the real reason underlying Arushi Talwar murder? neeraj NJ, USA
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 3	"As fall of India’s Union government looks a matter of days on the issue of Indo-US nuclear deal, the political parties are exploiting the issue the way most suitable for their political future. Some political parties like CPI (M), BSP and SP have taken upon themselves to speak on behalf of the Indian Muslims when it comes to the nuke deal. But what do Indian Muslims think about the deal themselves? TwoCircles.net contacted some of them in India and abroad to get their opinion." http://www.twocircles.n...ay_deal_or_no_deal.html Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 4	Ashok, >> National interest jaaye bhaad mein! You must be talking of the BJP's politicizing the nuclear treaty issue of course! Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 5	Stalin never had any respect for the Indian Communist Leaders because unlike the terrorism that he and his party adopted to bring the communists to power in Russia , the Indian Communists threw their lot in favour of a democratic system that Stalin never believed. He was the man who questioned how many Army Divisions the catholic Pope had when some one in his Council of Ministers suggested diplomatic relations with the Vatican. He respected communists like Mao of China or Kim of North Korea who seized power following his foot steps. Whatever respect he gave to the By-gone S.A.Dange or A.K.Gopalan, nothing more or nothing short of that, he would have given to Karat. Karat's strength is derived from Manmohan Sing's weakness. Nothing original. It is just like a moon shine. T.Sathyamurthi Folsom, United States
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 6	I am fan of Mr Puri and Mr Parthsarthy for Indian diplomat for their sensible flat statement. I would urge them to print Iranian record of working against Indian interest and voting against India in international forums. This will give answer to many psedo-seculars asking why india voted against Iran in UN vimal Munich, Germany
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 7	Sathyamurthy, You said, "Stalin never had any respect for the Indian Communist Leaders because unlike the terrorism that he and his party adopted to bring the communists to power in Russia , the Indian Communists threw their lot in favour of a democratic system that Stalin never believed(in)" This is a complete travesty of truth. The Indian Communists too never believed in democracy per se. They too adopted armed struggle as their credo. Remember naxalbari? The armed insurrection against the Indian state in the 50s and 60s was their way of achieving victory for the proletariat (whatever the hell it means). Only when the Naxalite uprising was brutally put down by the state of West Bengal did the commies changed their tack and begin to sing the tune of democracy for the Indian public to hear. Still, Jyothi Basu famously declare that they" would wreck the Indian state from within". So, don't be gullible. Do not trust the commies even for a second. B.V.SHENOY BANGALORE, India
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 8	B.V.Shenoy, I too have read somewhere that communists joined democratic process only because they wanted to weaken the system from the inside. J Bangalore, India
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 9	"Indian Marxists and their evil designs" Karl Marx took a dim view of India and its heritage. Writing in the New York Tribune dated June 25, 1853 (quoted in Lewis S Feuer edited Marx and Engels Basic Writings, Anchor Books, NY 1959, pp. 474-481) he claimed that the ‘Golden Age’ of India was all myth and India was always a poor starving country. He further went on to admire and appreciate the British for destroying the Indian village industry and economy so that India could ‘modernise’. But to the Indian communists, the words of Marx are like commandments from God. Their devotion to the dead communism can be seen on the walls of Calcutta, possibly the only city in the world where you can find pictures of Marx, Lenin and Stalin displayed with pride. Following the footsteps of Marx, the Indian communists have deep hatred of anything Indian and are opponents of any kind of pride in Indian heritage. The communists also hold that India is not one nation but a ‘collection of nationalities’. Another major tenet of Indian Marxist’s orthodoxy is that for national reconstruction you have to first destroy the existing nation. The communists have had many ideological splits. Communists in India are splintered into several groupings like the CPI, CPM, CPI (M-L), Maoists and the People’s War Group. But despite several ‘historical blunders’ that they keep committing with regularity, they have all remained steadfast to the twin agenda of weakening and destroying the existing Indian nation and obliterate the ‘bourgeois’ notion of pride in India’s past. " http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14514872 J Bangalore, India
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 10	India voted against Iran in the United Nations, Mr. Vimal, on the express orders of the United States Of America. The strange irony is that Iran is alive and kicking whereas the Nuclear Deal is in Intensive Care. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 11	Mr.B.V.Shenoy I only answered to the hypothetical question raised by Mr.Puri. During the Stalin era, the Indian Communist cobra had not spread it's hood to strike. That stage was to unfold later. I only pointed out what Stalin expected the communists in other countries to do for which he established a 'Comintern' in Moscow to supervise the work. My views about the present Indian communists are not different from those of Shenoy. T.Sathyamurthi Folsom, United States
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 12	Yes, Mr. Vijay Agarwal. Please go back to the intense and immense lobbying at that time. In the shadowy world of baloney, nothing is baloney. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 13	To say that India voted against Iran "on the express orders of USA" is contemptuous and total baloney. China and Russia also voted against Iran ... did they do it "on the express orders of USA" ? Vijay Agarwal Northampton, United Kingdom
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 14	The story has been reported extensively in the Hindu and the Times of India http://www.hindu.com/20...es/2007021605671200.htm http://www.hindu.com/20...es/2007021709121400.htm http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ India_coerced_into_voting_against_Iran/articleshow /1630182.cms Ambassador Mulfords statements of January 2006 are reported by the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/1.../south_asia/4649742.stm ------ Please do not baloney me again, Mr. Vijay Agarwal. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 15	Prakash Karat has a suggestive name ! Perhaps the only Carrort that will work for him is Cash !! Gaurav Gupta San Luis Obispo, United States
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 16	India’s role in US-led gang-up against Iran inflames debate over Indo-US ties By Vilani Peiris and Keith Jones 10 February 2006 ------ Baloney to you, Mr. Vijay Agarwal. Who is deserving of contempt now?. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 17	Paper no. 1572 11. 10. 2005 INDIA’S VOTE IN FAVOUR OF REFERRAL OF IRAN NUCLEAR ISSUE TO UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL (IAEA MEETING SEPTEMBER 2005) REVIEWED By Dr Subhash Kapila (Readers of the authors papers on Iran’s nuclear programme issue in recent weeks questioned in their feedback the silence on India’s vote in favour of a UN referral of Iran’s nuclear programme issue. This paper is in response to the readers demands – The Author) http://www.southasiaana...pers16%5Cpaper1572.html ------ Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 18	As reparation for improper use of the word Baloney, please visit this farm, pick up some Bologna Sausages and consume them for me, Mr. Vijay Agarwal. New Creation Farm Furnace Ln, Nether Heyford, Northampton, NN7, UK maps.google.ca There are very few people who have got on the wrong side of me in a debate and survived, I rebut hard. At the same time when I am wrong or unnecessarily hurt feelings, I apologise immediately. You have seen both sides personally. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 19	After being a superhero to the mostly leftist journalists for so long Prakash Karat will now be in the doghouse of the Marxist Party for his failure to scuttle the nuke deal.He has clearly overplayed his hand.Consider his audacity in asking the PM not to attend the G8 meeting!!!He seems to have really believed all that adulatory stuff fed to him by the leftist journos. Narendra Maganti Hyderabad, India
Jul 05, 2008 12:00 AM 20	At dinner, yesterday, Mr. Prakash, I put this question, as promised, to Mr. Jan Hoebrichts from Roermond, The Netherlands, who was on an extended tour in North America talking about St. Francis and Islam, which was highlighted by an extended Inter-Faith Dialogue in Colorado Springs. My question was Is there a return to Faith and Diminution in Secularism.. He said he was busy with preparing the Proceedings of his current trip and would revert to me from Roermond. Jan is a former Fransican Friar who taught at the Catholic National Seminary in Karachi. We attended his Church in the 60s. The friendship and the dialogue endure. He married a Karachi girl on leaving the priesthood. They stay with us in Karachi. We with them in Roermond. He is 78 now. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 21	faruki to my surprise the muslims expressed reasoneable opinions. they said clearly that it was not a muslim issue. these guys appeared smarter then you. but then thats to be expected, considering the competition. now drink your mecca cola, and of to bed. lalit bagai kalundborg, Denmark
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 22	$ Karat wants to drink the American hot soup without touching his tongue (more gain without pain). $ At the same time, he doesn't mind carrying a Chinese BOMB in his BUTT 24/7. $ While a personality like APJ Kalam acknowledges the deal that it's good for the country, why should Chopsticked Karat oppose it. $ The brother-in-law of Brinda Karat (Prannoy Roy) should stop propagating for the Commies on the NDTV channel. $ The fall of Communism in India is expected by the next FALL.... Sasi KC Reston, United States
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 23	First of all, it shows the standard of Journalism in India. They couldn't figure out the character of this man called Prakash Karat. What does he know about Forign Policy, when he has hardly travelled abroad or read about other countries? Because People's Deomocracy, the magazine he reads does not contain any news about foreign countries other than Russia and China. He has shown that he devoid of intelligence, logic, and is completely irrational. He said, if PM goes to G-8 he will withdraw support. How irrational? There is no co-relation between N-Deal and the G8. It shows: How stupid he is. He is now asking the Govt. of India items of information, which are not his prerogatives. He is completely unrealistic in making such absurd requests. What would have Stalin done with Prakash Karat? Answer: He would have sent him to mental assylum. Lastly, perhaps it is good for India, he is now writing the obituary of Communism in India. Kel Shorey Glasgow, United Kingdom
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 24	Ha Ha Ha! The egg is on Karat's face. The too -smart-by half gangleader of the comrades and his wife are left high and dry by the astute Sardarji of the Congress. The Commies are set to lose much more than their stand in blocking the N-Deal; a Congress -Trinamool tie up in WB and a strong anti-commie stand in Kerala will throw them out of power from these states. And the Congress other than adding a feather in its cap by completing the Nuke deal will in addition to making gains in commie territory might forge a winning combination with Mulayam's SP in UP which might lead to its holding power at the Center even after the next Loksabha polls. Suddenly, the whole game at the Center has become interesting. Ideologically bound 'Lakeer ke Fakeer' who have extra-territorial affiliations are bound to be outplayed and upstaged in this manner. Success only comes to those who are sensitive and adapt to the existing realities instead of adopting ideological stances. Muslim for Reform Nashik, India
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 25	By quoting some controversial newspaper reports and a dubious article by a known leftist anti-west outfit like SAAG (South Asia Analysis Group), a complacent egotist persist in throwing mud on India with his baloney stories like his recent one that India was pressured by the US to vote against Iran, while he fails to answer why Russia and China did the same ? Frequently changing his Ids and throwing names around, he tries hard to save his bleeding credibility but ... Vijay Agarwal Northampton, United Kingdom
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 26	read: "a complacent egotist from Karachi persists in throwing mud on India with his baloney stories ..." Vijay Agarwal Northampton, United Kingdom
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 27	read: "Frequently changing his Ids and throwing names and places around, he tries hard to save his bleeding credibility but ... " Vijay Agarwal Northampton, United Kingdom
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 28	Most Indian politicians are a breed of opportunity and power hunger. Anything that would put them in the chair is kosher! And why not! The senior leaders have only a few years left to their lives to win the crown In today’s world, changing strategies, political and economical, is normal and even necessary, only if the change is for the best interests of the society and not for getting political power. sohan rockville, United States
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 29	This is called intereference in the internal affairs of others, Mr. Ashok, which is a Western Virtue. In a few days the Organiser will tell you how many Visas and more were provided to the S. P. for bailing out Bush. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 30	I do not change my IDs by own volition, Mr. Vijay Agarwal. There are many Sangh Parivar imposters and abusers, who impell me to do so. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 31	How about all that baloney in your face, Mr. Vijay Agarwal. India was not just expressly ordered put many of its body parts were squeezed. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 06, 2008 12:00 AM 32	Why doesn't Mr Puri highlight the contradictions in the US's stand on these issues? If you read them with Mr Karat's stand then we will have to admit that there are no inherant contradictions in his, Karat's, stand. Major P M Ravindran (Retired) Palakkad, India
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 33	There remains in India a breed who are opposed to the idea of India as a progressive, secular and a proud nation destined to reclaim a right amongst nations consistent with its size, its people and its long living history. No surprises- we all know who always votes against India in international forums- you guessed it- the left. Praying to the vast or rapidly dwindling "ummah" believers of leftist idelogy across the world, the left in India are a fine example of what anti national fifth column work in any country would work like. They are still wrapped up in cold war rhetoric and blind anti westernism. China and Russia have moved on. Not the left. They remain, trapped in stale but shrill ideology unable to make sense of a world that has moved a million miles since the Stalin era. Karat is one more example of a bright relatively young man trapped in a make believe world that does not exist nor will come into being. There are thousands of these misguided youths who still exist- thankfully only in the blighted states of Kerala, WB and Tripura. It still is a heavy burden on the poor people of those states and definitely a drag on the whole of India's momentum. One can only hope that in a generation they are consigned to where they truly belong- In the immortal worlds of Kruschev- the dustbin of History. Sunil Ponani, India
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 34	If we dont sign nuclear deal then: 1. No US Assistance to nuclear program. No supply of Uranium from ANYONE. 2. We explode nuclear weapons and everyone sanctions us. If we do sign nuclear deal: 1. US Assistance to nuclear energy program. Uranium supply deals with several producer country. 2. We explode nuclear weapons and everyone sanctions us. Readers please identify the stupid option. If you need a clue, look where Karat points. vijay Chennai, India
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 35	The article is well-written. The citizens of this country are ready to listen to anybody as long as the politician himself is fully convinced of what he is saying and has enough rationale to support his statements. However, if his purpose is just to impede the developmental process and get the fun of his (misconstrued) ability to pull down the government just the way the dog does by biting a dead bone then such politians had better not be taken seriously. Karat's statement that imperialist nations secretly MAY have artificially created the west Asian oil price inflation in order to foce india sign the nuclear power treaty is a thrilling conjecture but is there any proof for it? If not, Karat had better write a fictional novel rather than make front-paper news statements. Oil prices have soared in the US too. Oil prices are (said to be) low in Pakistan because it is a Muslim country and hence Gulf countries have a reason to part with some profits with their Muslim brothers. Moreover, the overall oil usage in Pakistan is probably nowhere near that of India (which itself is also of course ony 1/8 of the world consumption). No doubt, nuclear power is a viable alternative for our electric power requirement and without the nuclear treaty we are not going to get the raw material for our nuclear power plants. The fact that oil prices will continue to soar and sources will continue to deplete is a scientifically proven fact beyond the man-made lines of international politics. A huge drive has already been initiated not in India but all over the world to go for non-conventional energy sources. It is necessary not for our own country's energy security but for the whole world's energy and environmental security. Nuclear technology, at least for large scale power production, is a proven alternative to oil and coal based plants. Fortunately, we have a huge country to be able to conveniently and safely setup several nuclear power plants and harness the pollution free energy. The nuclear treaty can only give the required raw material for it. Dean Taylor delhi, India
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 36	Cornellite (aka Joseph of Karachi fame) .... I presume you have a copy of the "express orders" from your friends in the State Dept. (or is it the White House). "... who impell me to do so." ... oh poor little Joseph baba, such a nice guy, out to educate the uneducatible arrogant Indians and getting impell(ed) :-) Do you wake up everyday and ask "mirror, mirror who is the most balanced and factual of them all" but then you see in it the image of that nemisis of yours ... the uneducatible arrogant Indian (Hindusthani Hindu or some such label you like using)"? Arun Maheshwari Bangalore, India
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 37	"CPI(M)-led Islamic terrorism at Ganga Sagar" "On 12 June (Thursday) 2008, at Sagar Island (also known as Ganga Sagar) 6000 Muslim terrorists let loose organized violence against 180 unarmed Hindu devotees who had gone to Ganga Sagar to attend a Yoga and Training Camp organized by Hindu Samhati in a building belonging to the Kolkata Textile Association. A 6000 strong Muslim crowd, armed with sharp-edged weapons attacked the building (near Kapil Muni temple) and beat up Hindu pilgrims at around 7 pm in a savage manner. . Tapan Kumar Ghosh, the National Convenor of Hindu Samhati and Sunder Das, one of his lieutenants, were badly injured. A few policemen deployed on the spot were also manhandled when they tried to intervene. Tapan Ghosh and Sunder Das, both workers of Hindu Samhati, were also beaten up. The four-hour ordeal continued till a larger contingent of police force headed by the Kakdwip BDO and SDPO arrived. Instead of arresting the Islamic marauders for their acts of terrorism against the majority community, the West Bengal Police arrested on Friday 15 Hindu pilgrims. The police also arrested Tapan Ghosh and Sunder Das, the two Hindu leaders and it has been reported that Tapan Ghosh continues to be in police custody." "In a country that gained independence by chanting slogans like `Bharat Mata Ki Jai’, in a land where the nation is considered to be one’s mother, a time has come when people are beaten up brutally and then arrested for chanting the same slogan that once stood as one of the symbols of Indian freedom struggle. That too, right under the administration’s noses, with local CPI (M) leaders assisting the goons in their tirade. This shocking incident is not one being reported from a remote village of the country, but from Sagar Islands - the pilgrimage considered to be one of the holiest in India. In a place considered so divine by the Hindus, about 172 Hindus were beaten up brutally late on Thursday night (12 June 200 8) by a group of immigrant Bangladeshi Muslims, only because the Hindus had dared to utter `Bharat Mata Ki Jai’ and `Jai Sri Ram’. What shocks us all more, is the fact that the attackers were led by a Muslim youth named Sheikh Ismail, who happens to be CPI(M)’s Panchayat Samiti seat winner in the area’. " http://janamejayan.word...rrorism-at-ganga-sagar/ J Bangalore, India
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 38	"Marxist Cultural Destruction" "Marxists and their cohorts are relatively clear what they want to achieve in India. They want the destruction of Hindu civilization and establishment of a proletariat Marxist state. For the last seventy five years, Marxists are working hard to realize their misguided and dangerous goals through positive sounding slogans such as “inclusion”, “human rights”, “feminist empowerment”, “classless society”, and “women’s rights”. With these positive sounding words, Marxists call for the destruction, in every possible way to deconstruct Hindu thoughts and bring down the Hindu culture." "Cultural reconstruction and destruction has become a policy of Marxists in India. This made possible not only through conscious vandalism against Hindu temples, but also with the creation of an actual culture of violence against Hindu cultural institutions. Marxist plan to change Hindu temple practices, rituals, cultural tradition and management of Hindu temples is based on their false claim that all principles of our existence are historically situated and structured by bourgeois. These traditional Hindu experience and institutional force including the language, symbols, environment, art, music, temple festivals, literature as well as values and ethics stand in the way for Marxist expansion. These systems need to be reconstructed. Marxists want to deconstruct our traditional cultural precedents, ideas, frameworks, beliefs and philosophy. These Marxist deconstructionists claim that our social bonds and value system, culture and spiritual practices, temples, social institutions and education perpetuate bourgeois power. These beliefs and practices that connect people together must be deconstructed or destroyed." http://pseudosecularism...-destruction.html#links J Bangalore, India
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 39	Parkash Karat may be a devil and a joker, but, at least, he is not a fence sitter and an opportunist. Politicians who remain rigid in their approach are as dangerous as those who change their views so often. Mr. Karat opposes the deal and so does Kaka Advani. Both oppose the deal on grounds it would make India subservient to US. If karat is wrong, so is the Kaka. What earns Karat the lone distinction of being the target of mudslinging! sohan rockville, United States
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 40	Cantaloupe on the knife or knife on the cantaloupe, result is the same! My hero does no wrong; others’ heroes do nothing right! sohan rockville, United States
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 41	Let me tell you, the SP move has made a political turn around - not only - on the deal but also in the forthcoming elections. The key SIX states (AP42, Bih40, Mah48,TN39,UP80, WB42) that determine the Government @ Centre (Delhi) are all in favour of Congress. There's a chance for INC to come back to power, if they play their cards cannily. Sasi KC Reston, United States
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 42	"The key SIX states (AP42, Bih40, Mah48,TN39,UP80, WB42) that determine the Government @ Centre (Delhi) are all in favour of Congress." No they are not. Congress made a sweep in AP and TN. They are going to lose big time in TN and quite a few seats in AP. Congress-RJD made a sweep in Bihar last time. This time they would be lucky to get half of the last time. The same is the case with Maharashtra. In UP, Mulayam won 39 seats last time. He is going to some of those. How much is Congress going to bring to the table in UP? Not much. Congress may make some gains in WB but that would be offset by the losses elsewhere. Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 43	Ashok, >> Advani and BJP has objections to certain clauses in the agreement. Clause 1: UPA may get credit for a success. (Prevent that even if it means going against national interest!). Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 44	"Clause 1: UPA may get credit for a success. (Prevent that even if it means going against national interest!)." This line of reasoning has taken a life of itself without anything to back it up. To begin with, The govt does NOT need the Left or the BJP in order to make the deal. No approval from parliament is necessary. Second, if the Left parties withdraw the support to the govt because of the nuke deal, does anyone seriously expect the BJP to vote in confidence for the govt? This is absurd. There cannot be a no confidence motion specifying an issue. A no confidence motion applies to the whole of govt and whole of its policies. Even if BJP is for the present nuke deal, it is ludicrous to expect it to vote for the govt. One step further. Assuming BJP to vote in favour of govt, does anyone seriously believe COngress will take that support and run the govt? Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 45	People who want BJP to support the govt on the nuke deal(like Faruki and Seshadri) show their total ignorance about the Indian parliamentary system. Support from BJP makes sense ONLY if certain policies are put for vote in the parliament. That is if the constitution requires that the govt gets the approval from the parliament in certain areas. If such a req is there, then the govt will bring the issue to parliament a vote happens. If the vote fails, the govt will still survive because what got defeated was the issue and not the govt. But that is not how the system works in India. And so to expect BJP to support the govt is absurd. Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 46	>> To begin with, The govt does NOT need the Left or the BJP in order to make the deal. That does not negate the fact that the stand that the BJP took goes against national interest. That's why it is the pseudo-nationalist party. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 47	"That does not negate the fact that the stand that the BJP took goes against national interest. " There are scores of nuclear scientists who have opposed the deal and who have nothing to do with BJP. Shut up. Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 48	Brahma Chellaney has reservations about the deal http://www.asianage.com...e/brahma-chellaney.aspx THough I realize that he is not as knowledgable and as patriotic as Faruki, I guess his words should mean something. I will point out that Abdul Kalam supports the deal. Why? Not because he is unaware of the objections but he thinks the benefits outweigh the concerns. And there are others who think the concerns outweigh the benefits. It is a matter of perception. Neither group is pseudo-national or anything like that. Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 07, 2008 12:00 AM 49	Ganesan, >> There are scores of nuclear scientists who have opposed the deal and who have nothing to do with BJP. You and your scientists! Judging form previous arguments that you have made opposing the theory of evolutiion and denying the dangers of global warming, you seem to have to have a peculiar predilection for loony scientists! P.S: Time for you to make a rude retort! Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 50	>> This line of reasoning has taken a life of itself without anything to back it up. That is because lying comes naturally to seculars. Al Bundy San Francisco, United States
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 51	Ashok, >> your hatred aginst BJP/Advani has blinded you. Words of a person who is more blinded by hate than anyone else in this forum! >> you Mullahs can oppose n-deal. Idiot, I have supported the deal consistently from the beginning. >> BJP's opposition for cogent and valid reasons ... HAAH! You make me laugh. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 52	Ashok, >> Laughing is a taboo in Islam... We always have a good laugh at buffoons like you. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 53	So the battle of wits is here over the Indo-US Nuke deal and I got out of the loop due to my trip across the border. The author's potshot at Prakash Karat is only on the surface but does not address the bone of contention over the Hyde act and the real reason behind the so called largesse of Uncle Sam, which readers can catch a glimpse in my article titled, Indo-US Nuclear Deal: An insider's perspective" vide link http://www.youthejourna...icle.php?aid=2454&sid=2 and I need to catch up with the spat between Anwar Patel and Ashok, which is reaching a climax of sort but neverthless a very enjoyable ones.. keep it up folks!!! Shyamal Barua kolkata, India
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 54	GF/Anwar, >>We always have a good laugh at buffoons like you It is good to know that Jihadis also have a good laugh! J Bangalore, India
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 55	Sohan, >>Mr. Karat opposes the deal and so does Kaka Advani. Both oppose the deal on grounds it would make India subservient to US. Thats not correct. We all know why Left is opposing the Nuclear deal. They are more interested in safe guarding the interests of China, than India. BJP on the other is not at all opposed to the idea of nuclear deal with US. In fact it was BJP which did much of the ground work on Nuclear Deal during its rule. So it is patently wrong that BJP is opposed to Nuclear deal because it will bring India under US influence. BJP's main problem with deal are certain clauses in Hyde act. It is not the deal as a whole that BJP is opposed to. BJP is only saying that it will not support the deal until govt. safeguards India's strategic Nuclear weapons program from Hyde act. I think that India should pass a law similar to Hyde act(Unhyde act) in its parliament, which overturns the hyde act by including some punitive action against American companies and business interests. It will come in handy, in case US threatens sanctions against India if India conducts another round of Nuclear tests. J Bangalore, India
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 56	BTW, Brinda Karat made a good point in CNN IBN. She asked why the PM made the statement from foreign soil and not on Indian soil. A very fair question. The coward could make the statement only from afar!!! And this will be touted as courage in the succular media. Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 57	On Hyde act rationale If the deal as is presently proposed does not go through, rationale for not supporting the deal matters little. The patient is dead; the family suffers. Does the family care what the doctor says? The family cares for the hardships the inflation has inflicted more than the why’s of the deal. The deal won’t be an election issue. There is life without the deal. sohan rockville, United States
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 58	Congress would do well to dissolve the parliament and call for elections around winter. Even if it somehow manages to pull off 272 members now, it would be a rag tag coalition and further erode whatever goodwill COngress has. For its own sake, Congress should call for early elections. Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 59	And a final advice to Sonia: Please do not stand in front of Rashtrapathi Bhavan and claim "We have 272". Sentimentally it will bring back bad memories. Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 60	What a ludicrous criticism from Congress "When the entire nation is mourning those killed in the Kabul blast, the Left has chosen to make the announcement. It is most unfortunate. They think their prestige is more important than the nation's prestige," AICC media department chairman Veerappa Moily said minutes after the Left's announcement." The question can easily be reversed. What the heck the PM is doing in Japan when 41 people died in Kabul? WHy is he not at Kabul? I mean, the stupidity of these "media department" people is stunning. Ganesan Nj, USA
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 61	On sharing the info The government has to follow the protocol. Period. Kaka should say that since he is not privy to the full text of the deal, he cannot support the deal. Why bring in the Hyde act nonsense? Anyway, there is life without the deal! sohan rockville, United States
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 62	J, >> It is good to know that Jihadis also have a good laugh! You being a jihadi Hindu should know better than I. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 63	>> Please do not stand in front of Rashtrapathi Bhavan and claim "We have 272". Sentimentally it will bring back bad memories. If nobody remembers, Ganesan will be there at the Rashtrpati Bhavan with his bullhorn to remind people of that non-event! Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 64	Ashok, >> I can imagine your 4th pregnant wife laughing .... That's what I have been trying to tell you; that you have a sick imagination. >> Go get a life!! But, that is forbidden in Islam. Right? Seems all your remarks about me refer to Islam or to my being a Muslim. This may have something to do with your upbringing. I, however, will never say that you are stupid because you are a Hindu. You are stupid because you are stupid. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 65	Which border, Mr. Shyamal Barua, Bangladesh or Pakistan?. Cornellite Markham, Canada
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 66	GF/Anwar, >>You being a jihadi Hindu should know better than I Only Quran and Islam teach Jihad against Kafirs. By making above statement, you only reveal your propensity for deceit and subterfuge. PS. GF when are you going to get tired of these childish exchanges. Now, don't reply with "After you" or some other equally childish response. J Bangalore, India
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 67	Sohan, >>There is life without the deal. I agree, but the question is good life or bad life. J Bangalore, India
Jul 08, 2008 12:00 AM 68	J, >> Only Quran and Islam teach Jihad against Kafirs. Just a week ago you admitted that sanghis have to adopt jihadi techniques, although I forget your exact words. And yes, you should stop these childish exchanges. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 09, 2008 12:00 AM 69	GF/Anwar, >>Just a week ago you admitted that sanghis have to adopt jihadi techniques. I give you the benefit of doubt, otherwise I would have called you a blatant liar. I had only posted an extract from Arun Showrie's article where he says that Hinduism needs to have Islamic body in order to save its Hindu soul. I can give you the link if you want. As there is no hope that you will ever grow up. I take the high moral ground and stop for now. J Bangalore, India
Jul 09, 2008 12:00 AM 70	J, >> I give you the benefit of doubt. Your childish exchanges will never stop! However anyone who spends all his time trying to promote his religion at the cost of the religions of others is a jihadi. You and Namo are jihadis. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 09, 2008 12:00 AM 71	We are not a communist country and there is no reason why we should allow communists to even live in India, forget about forming political parties. Same is true with religious parties. These should be banned too, as our constitution does not recognize any particular religion as a state religion. Communism is a failed ideology, economically and socially unsustainable. They say that they work for economic equality, but instead of pushing poor masses upwards, they pull the whole system down through subsidies and reservations, killing entrepreneurship and meritocracy along the way. I am genuinely surprised how and why educated Bengalis tolerate this stupid party. In my opinion, they should be banned from politics effective immediately. kunal denver, usa
Jul 09, 2008 12:00 AM 72	GF, >>However anyone who spends all his time trying to promote his religion .... Only Islam and Quran have the concept of Jihad against Kafirs. You can't just coin new definitions of to suit your pathetic arguments. J Bangalore, India
Jul 09, 2008 12:00 AM 73	J, >> Only Islam and Quran have the concept of Jihad against Kafirs. The term as it is commonly and incorrectly used now is applicable to you and Namo. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 09, 2008 12:00 AM 74	Vinod, Thanks for addressing five posts to me. Since there is not much substance in any of them, I shall not take up any space with responses. Anwar Patel Dallas Tx, United States
Jul 09, 2008 12:00 AM 75	faruki i recommend british media to anyone who is interested in the west and islam. it will be a change from the views of the secular media in india- which has been mind lessly towing the pseudo secular line. the editors like vir sanghvi were children of the left generation, but their bosses now are all hard minded hindu businessmen or women. the british media has ten times more talent, and in britain free thinkers like salman rushdie, martin amis, richard McKevan, still get to express their views without being blackmailed by the lefties. its always useful to read the views of ones adverseries. some good news- tasleema nasreen has been made honorary citizen of paris for her courageous fight against fanaticism and bigotry. in india muslims were intent on killing her, but missed this chance because she left herself, though after a horrible treatment by the secular upa govt. did you write as many letter as you did in the case of sohrabuddin. cant remember. perhaps you spoke up for tasleema as well. jai bajrang bali lalit bagai kalundborg, Denmark
Jul 09, 2008 12:00 AM 76	Lalit, Vir Sanghvi has been tough on Modi, but otherwise he's a pretty balanced and articulate writer. He clearly sees the difference between Hindu objections to certain works of art, and Moslem objections. He thinks there is almost no comparison to make on this matter. His position on the Tibet issue is quite good; he smartly sees the difference between Tibet and Kashmir, instead of mindlessly stating that the separatism in both is based on similar circumstances. He can see the individuality of BJP and VHP leaders, rather than just lumping them all under 'right wing saffron' blah blah blah. There are many writers in India you can denounce way before Sanghvi! Varun Shekhar Toronto, CANADA
Jul 10, 2008 12:00 AM 77	"Karat was opposed to India having the bomb. But he wants India to be able to conduct nuclear tests. He was opposed to India becoming a nuclear power. But he wants Iran to become a nuclear power." Hmm, Mr. Puri, you expect logic from commies? What next, pigs starting to fly? Hope you haven't gone senile. Commies only understand Lahori logic. By the way, looks like the bt*s have finally pulled the plug. Hurrayy, good for the BJP. Split the pseudo-secularists, that's the way to go. ARVIND ROCHESTER, United States
Jul 12, 2008 12:00 AM 78	On chamchas My hero does no wrong; others’, well, what can we say! Most all politicians are chamchas and are in virtual motion to become bigger chamcha. No one is immune to the chamcha operation! It is the nature of the beast! sohan rockville, United States

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