Working title: PM-elect Yusuf Raza Gilani (right) with Zardari and Bilawal Bhutto
pakistan: pm elections
Multan Is Midway
New PM Gilani is a Bhutto loyalist but also his own man. His Punjab roots clinched it.
Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, Benazir's son, who was seated in the Speaker's gallery, couldn't control himself—he took off his glasses to wipe his tears away. Very rarely is it that the leader of the biggest political party sheds tears publicly.

But then, Bilawal is a typical 19-year-old, his experiences haven't yet formed a cyst around his emotions; a son who mourned the demise of his mother in a university room in England, away from the family.
 
 
"In prison, I used to watch all of Ash's movies on my laptop. I confess, I'm a great fan of Ash," says Gilani
 
 
Emotions in the National Assembly (NA) rose to a tide as Gilani stopped before the speaker's gallery, on his way to take the seat of the leader of the House. He tightly grasped the hand of Bilawal, exchanging not a word, perhaps silently communicating what all those present there knew: "If only she was here, this would have been her day." The lusty cheering transformed the proceeding of the NA into a PPP jalsa. As political analyst Amir Mateen said, "The House, the galleries, the corridors, everybody and everything was afire with emotions. Old-timers resented the way parliamentary decorum was breached. But then, who cared?"

There were some who did doubt the sagacity of those who pitched Bilawal into the limelight, according primacy to dynastic politics at a time when Pakistan was just rediscovering democracy. As Shireen Mazari of the Institute of Strategic Studies put it, "It's not proper, having a 19-year-old sitting in the speaker's gallery...and made to appear like a king."

But the PPP has been choosing ceremony over propriety. Days before, there was a media outcry lambasting the proposal to have Bilawal announce the name of the prime ministerial candidate. The daily, Dawn, was scathing, "...one is appalled that the PPP central executive committee, which includes some stalwarts since the Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto days, needed a 19-year-old to sell its decision to the party rank and file. If this is the beginning of the new, democratic era, one wonders how things will go when the PPP government is finally in the saddle and goes about meeting the gargantuan challenges facing the nation." The criticism stung the PPP into cancelling Bilawal's press conference.

Throughout the last week, even during the ceremony in which President Pervez Musharraf administered the oath of office to Gilani, the spirit of Benazir dominated Pakistan; her death, after all, was the reason why Gilani had become PM. Who is Gilani, Indians might ask. A descendant of Moosa Pak Shaheed, a great saint of Multan, he belongs to a family steeped in politics and religion, a mix often considered volatile. Outlook readers can take heart, Gilani isn't orthodox. In an interview to Geo TV, Gilani proclaimed a love for Hindi films and, yes, Aishwarya Rai. He said, "While in prison I used to watch all of Ash's movies on my laptop...let me admit, I'm a great fan of Ash." And during his imprisonment under the Zia regime, he said he had spent time listening to Lata Mangeshkar's songs. For most Pakistanis, his confession should mark the advent of years of 'enlightened moderation'—a term Musharraf coined to please the West, but rendered hollow for his countrymen.

Gilani combines a winsome demeanour with a firm and steely resolve, two seemingly contradictory qualities which endear him to partymen. He's also his own man—as speaker, he twice defied Benazir during her second term (1993-96) as PM. In the first instance, he issued orders allowing jailed Opposition mnas to attend the House. Again, when Benazir wanted to disqualify her rival, Jam Sadiq, from the NA because of prolonged absence, Gilani moved promptly to ensure Sadiq applied for leave. A miffed Benazir had even complained about 'her speaker'. So why did PPP boss and Benazir's husband, Asif Ali Zardari, choose him as PM, a man who's unlikely to act as his proxy?

Partly, it's the tug of war between Punjab and Sindh which prompted Zardari to select Gilani over Amin Fahim, who had been declared the PPP's candidate for PM days after the assassination. For the PPP to win the next general election, which will pit Zardari against Nawaz Sharif, it's imperative for the party to improve its performance in Punjab. Gilani hails from Multan in south Punjab; his tenure may help the PPP spread its wings to other parts of the province. For the moment, Gilani isn't seen as a threat by Sharif, whose Pakistan Muslim League's base is north Punjab.

Nor should Sindh feel upset over the sidelining of its son, Fahim. The Bhuttos, after all, will still call the shots at the Centre. The PPP also hopes to retain its base through the development work its provincial government is expected to undertake. (The tug of war between Sindh and Punjab, in fact, underlay the proposal of getting Bilawal to announce the name of the prime ministerial candidate. As a PPP insider told Outlook, "The idea was that if the name came from Benazir's son, it would be more acceptable to Sindh.") But now Gilani too can boast of ties with Sindh—a night before he took oath as PM he flew to Karachi to attend the wedding of his son to the granddaughter of Pir Pagaro, a spiritual leader revered in Sindh.

Gilani became PM also because of deep suspicions about Fahim's cosy relationship with Musharraf, a relationship fostered during the several meetings the two had at the behest of Benazir who was then in exile. Ironically, these meetings prompted the release of Zardari from jail. As Fahim said in an interview, "I always had these meetings on the instructions of Benazir and never have I ever benefited from them personally." But what cooked Fahim's goose were reports of one meeting between him and Musharraf, apparently held following the assassination of Benazir, about which Zardari claims he didn't know. He was provided an opportunity to renege on his promise to Fahim when his nomination was declared problematic by the Sharif camp.

Loyalty too tilted the balance in Gilani's favour. A day before Gilani was elected PM, Zardari told The News, "Gilani sahib slept in Adiala jail without any proper bed for three months but he never contacted his powerful friends and influential relatives for help, he remained loyal to his party during his four years of jail time (served during Musharraf's tenure), we have a lot of respect for him and he was the best available choice for the PPP for the post of prime minister."

Gilani has already won accolades for releasing the Supreme Court judges from house arrest. He now has to prove he can overcome the economic crisis and overpower the militants.
 
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CELLULAR SUBSCRIBERS

Mobilink Ufone Paktel Instsphone Telenor Warid Total Growth Rate
2000 114,272 80,221 112,000 306,493 15.39
2001 309,272 116,711 96,623 220,000 742,606 142.29
2002 800,000 350,000 218,536 330,000 1,698,536 128.73
2003 1,115,000 550,000 319,400 420,000 2,404,400 41.56
2004 3,215,989 801,160 470,021 535,738 5,022,908 108.90
2005 7,469,085 2,579,103 924,486 454,147 835,727 508,655 12,771,203 154.26
2006 17,205,555 7,487,005 1,040,503 336,696 3,573,660 4,863,138 34,506,557 170.2
2007 26,466,451 14,014,044 1,024,563 333,081 10,701,332 10,620,386 63,159,857 80.70
July-2007* 27,165,868 14,772,911 1,024,512 336,052 11,272,023 11,079,242 65,650,608
Aug-2007 27,829,625 15,336,740 1,035,374 336,157 11,981,809 11,484,386 68,004,091
Sep-2007 28,571,845 15,421,459 1,232,613 337,422 12,578,459 11,866,664 70,008,462
Oct-2007 29,152,747 15,487,129 1,056,742 335,398 13,253,767 12,239,363 71,525,146
Nov-2007 29,784,724 15,934,811 1,777,288 329,743 13,913,267 12,845,819 74,585,652
Dec-2007 30,612,630 16,161,936 1,980,587 325,858
14,596,382 13,205,677 76,883,070
Jan-2008 30,888,105 16,443,171 2,355,309 320,238
15,350,045 13,381,319 78,738,187
Feb-2008 31,362,040 16,849,021 2,145,315 320,238
16,015,381 13,609,332 80,301,327
Mar-2008 31,756,283 17,198,373 2,142,465 320,768
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Mar-2008 52.16
FIXED LINE + WLL
Mar-2008 4.54

TOTAL
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Our Teledensity, Arun, is more than two times that of India. I am sure you would not believe that. Would you?.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
May 02, 2008 12:00 AM
204



Beggars go tech-savvy in Pak, seek alms through cellphones
2 May 2008, 1416 hrs IST,PTI

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan's beggars have turned tech-savvy and are using mobile phones to seek alms.

Though the beggars ask for paltry sums - ranging between Rs 10 to Rs 100 - but some Pakistanis are falling in the trap because the alms are sought in the name of God.

"I am a poor man and my daughter is admitted to hospital. If you have faith in God please send me a credit of at least Rs 10. God may reward you and take you out of all troubles," reads a message.

The glorious images of paradise painted by alms-seekers are also difficult for many to ignore.

Muhammad Usman, a businessman, claims he receives up to 10 messages daily. "It is difficult to ignore these messages," Usman told the Daily Times.

Anam Yunus has begun to send money to the unknown callers. "I give the money only in the name of God regardless of who the message sender is," she said. However, she was of the view that beggars should not blackmail people.
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Enjoy, Arun.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 24, 2008 12:00 AM
203
Thomasmid/Bagai,

>> its people like me and others, in this forum who may accept a 200-500 waiting period for you
to change.

You don't have even an elementary understanding of the issues involved. Just keep repeating your simplistic hate lines without trying to make any points, as any empty-headed bigot would do.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
202
" the minorities in the federal cabinet as well as the Senate — the highest legislative institution in the country where non-Muslims do not have a single seat"

Uncle what you say ? You should be ashamed of .
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
201
"An estimated three million Christians and nearly the same number of Hindus and Sikhs form part of the 170-million population of Pakistan. In the Feb 18 polls, 12 politicians from the minority communities stood for election to the National Assembly and six to the provincial assemblies. None of them were able to win. This in itself is a record as no non-Muslim contested on a general seat in the previous 2002 general elections"

ON THE CONTRARY WE HAVE HANDED OVER OUR DEFENCE TO A CHRISTIAN .YOUR ADISE SOUNDS EMPTY .
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
200
PART3;

UNCLE-YOUR AVISE IS OF NO CONSEQUENCE TO US .FIRST PUT YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER.

"After the declaration of the general election results, nominations are sent to the Election Commission and parties are allocated reserved seats in proportion to their strength in the national and provincial assemblies, according to the rules set forth by the Constitution. This discriminatory policy was momentarily suspended in 1999 only to be re-established in 2001 by President Pervez Musharraf. This undemocratic and blatantly biased approach towards the non-recognition of diversity was acknowledged by the federal caretaker law minister, Mr Afzal Haider, who advised amendments to the Constitution for bringing the minorities to the same level as the religious majority.

The minorities provided unflinching support to Ms Benazir Bhutto’s party in the Movement for the Restoration of Democracy. They also made their presence felt when they came out in huge numbers to support the Karwaan-i-Jamhooriat upon her arrival in Karachi on Oct 17, 2007, with many losing their lives when the procession was attacked.

They cheered and responded to the PPP chairperson’s call with 100 per cent voter turnout, honouring her memory by casting their ballot. An estimated 100,000 votes were cast by non-Muslims in Lahore alone. And it would not be inaccurate to assume that the non-Muslims had a decisive vote in many constituencies.

Overlooking the minorities, which needless to say include women, will force people to recognise the great leap made by the government of Pervez Musharraf who gave the highest representation, if only in numbers, to women at the local, provincial and federal levels of governance.

The PPP made history by appointing a woman speaker for the first time in Pakistan; it is now time for it to implement its progressive and liberal policies by giving due representation to the minorities in the federal cabinet as well as the Senate — the highest legislative institution in the country where non-Muslims do not have a single seat"

WHAT YOU SAY UNCLE ?
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
199
"denigrate Pakistan and despise Muslims,"

DAWN PART 2:"Besides being heavily patriarchal, for only two women, Ms Sherry Rehman and Ms Tehmina Daultana, were considered appropriate for filling a federal post, the decision of the government not to include a single member of the minority as part of its federal cabinet did not really help. It added to the feeling of marginalisation felt by the 10 members of the National Assembly selected on reserved seats.

An estimated three million Christians and nearly the same number of Hindus and Sikhs form part of the 170-million population of Pakistan. In the Feb 18 polls, 12 politicians from the minority communities stood for election to the National Assembly and six to the provincial assemblies. None of them were able to win. This in itself is a record as no non-Muslim contested on a general seat in the previous 2002 general elections.

In the past, attempts have been made to placate and appease the minorities by giving them the portfolio of the ministry for minorities, thus causing a deep sense of alienation in them. This time round that formality has apparently been overlooked.

Seen as a party with liberal and progressive moorings, the Pakistan People’s Party won for itself the support of the religious minorities through Benazir Bhutto’s desire to transform Pakistan into a modern democratic state. Equality and protection of minority rights were on top of her agenda, prompting leaders of the religious minorities to ally themselves with the PPP in the hope of seeing social justice, equality and absolute religious freedom.

Following the non-inclusion of religious minorities in the ‘first phase’ of distributing federal cabinet portfolios, the controversial electoral system established by the dictatorial regime of Ziaul Haq for reserving seats for minorities in the national and provincial assemblies has once again come under criticism.

The 10 reserved seats for the minorities are allocated through the same complex system of proportional representation as is seen in the 60 seats reserved for women. But while women are allowed to vote freely, non-Muslims are given the allowance of voting only for candidates belonging to their religion."

CNTD
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
198
"Muslims are considered out-moded,"

What Dawn says about Christians and Hindus in Pak :

"
Minorities: a test case




By Shehar Bano Khan


IS there light at the end of the tunnel for the non-Muslim minorities of this country? Or have their efforts and sacrifices for the re-establishment of yet another experiment in democracy in Pakistan proved futile?

After the swearing-in of the new coalition cabinet, that hope seems to have waned a trifle — and not without reason.

It is disappointing to note that out of a total of 24 ministries not a single one has been offered to a non-Muslim. In his inaugural speech, Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani was quick to expound, perhaps for the sake of political correctness, the need for protecting the rights of the minorities. He reaffirmed his unwavering belief in Jinnah’s Pakistan. But when put to the test of distributing federal portfolios, it sounded all but hollow."

contnd

a k ghai
mumbai, India
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
197
While India enshrines Caste through its Supreme Court, vacillates on Sati and ditches Women's Representation, Muslims are considered out-moded, MR. A. K. GHAI. This is ironic but true.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
196
"Muslims have to get rid of outmoded rules and customs in their own self-interst,"

Any hope this will happen ?
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
195
Thomasmid/Bagai,

>> You seem to consider 200 years a reasoneable time frame for Islam to become civilised.

It seems your stupidity shows up in every post you write. Based on where Muslim societies are today, and how strong the resistance to change is among the religious leaders, any realistic person would say that it is going to be a slow and long drawn out process to weed out the anachronic aspects of Islam.

>> I can tell you no one is willing to wait this long.

This shows your intellectual bankruptcy even more clearly. Who are these people who can't wait? How long did it take them to abolish papal wars, Spanish Inquisitions, Salem's witch burnings, sati and the caste system? Muslims have to get rid of outmoded rules and customs in their own self-interst, not to please any self-appointed monitors of dubious legitimacy or some morons like yourself.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
194
Josephine in rear-orifice frenzy >> You bloody >>ass-hole
>>you ass-hole.

Poor Josephine - Wednesday-Thursday comes around means thoughts of rear-orifices blanket his mind ...

Joseph & Liz Pereira- Sweaty and Salivating about dhimmi-felching sessions with mullahs again - dont worry it'll come soon enough. Be patient, you and Liz will get to lip-lock on mullah rear-ends on Dhimmi Friday.

>> bloody ass-hole
Soooo, much pain huh!! - tell the mullahs to go easy on you - maybe Liz can figure out "other" ways to save your rear-orifice from being splattered and bloody.


>> I talk to MR. DORJE, and you do the same.
Sure Pakistani-monkey boy - we'll also get you some fries with that...

Clean up after yourself, Josephine!!
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
193
You bloody ass-hole, I address matters to MR. GANESAN, and you and your putrid soul-mate butt in.

I talk to MR. DORJE, and you do the same.

I said other peoples mail not folders, you ass-hole.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
192
[Josephine >> Why do you have this nefarious habit of reading other peoples' mail ...]

Poor monkey from pakistan thinks this is a personal mail folder, for him to pi$$ on...
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
191
[Queenie Joseph>> Is your rectum where ...you excrete all this bilge]

Please Forgive Joseph and his business partner Liz - they just cant hide their excitement about rectal excretions....

...tomorrow is "felch the resident mullah" Friday for Dhimmi Pakistani Christians in Karachi - so, they're just salivating with excitement.

Poor Dhimmi Pakistani-monkey!!
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
190
Is your rectum where your brain should be that you excrete all this bilge, MR. LOOKOUT BUG ME NOT?.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
189
Why do you have this nefarious habit of reading other peoples' mail and adding your peurile, imbecilic two-paise bit, Messers LOOKOUT BUG ME NOT and MS/MR. KIRAN BAGACHI?.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
188

[Josephine >> please leave MR. GHULAM Y. FARUKI.]

Poor Pakistani Christian, raised with oodles of rectal dhimmitude - immediately greases up and bends over for the benefit of a sunni musalmaan.

Bring a sunni near him/it and "josephine" mode shows up.

At least lizzie charges money for this - Josephine will do it for free.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
187
What were you doing, MR. THOMASMID?. Composing ditties and doggerels while your clients lost money while you made yours or fine tuning your hate Islam campaign for post-retirement activity.

Find your self a Devadasi and please leave MR. GHULAM Y. FARUKI. She will be more "releaseful" than piling all your abuse on one person. You may live longer from the exercise and enjoy your wine.

Cheers.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
186
Thomasmid/Bagai,

>> what pearls of wisdom do you come up with.

None to throw before a swine. By the way, if you have started drinking, better stop posting, otherwise you will again make an ass of yourself in public.


Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Apr 23, 2008 12:00 AM
185
Thomasmid/Bagai,

>> all your lives you bend down five or six times a day, praying....

Better than your writing 30 hate mails a day, 10 of them while drunk!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Apr 22, 2008 12:00 AM
184
Australia set new Pakistan dates
Australia will visit Pakistan twice in the next two years, Cricket Australia (CA) and the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) have confirmed.

The sides will contest five one-day internationals and a Twenty20 match in April and May 2009 and a three-Test series in August and September 2010.

Australia's one-day tour will come after their tour of South Africa.

The world champions had planned to tour Pakistan in March and April this year but cancelled over security concerns.

PCB chairman Nasim Ashraf said in a statement: "Although disappointed that the tour couldn't be completed as originally scheduled, the PCB is very pleased that the Australian team will come to play in Pakistan twice, in 2009 and again in 2010."

Pakistan will also tour Australia for three Tests, five one-day internationals and a Twenty20 contest in 2009-2010.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 22, 2008 12:00 AM
183
Pakistan frees top militant leader: official 1 hour, 22 minutes ago



Pakistan on Monday released a top militant leader with links to Afghanistan's ousted Taliban militia after nearly seven years of detention, an official said.

Sufi Mohammad, the chief of banned group Tahreek Nifaz-e-Shariat Mohammadi (TNSM) and some 30 others were released under a peace agreement with tribal elders, provincial information minister Sardar Hussain Babek told AFP.

Mohammad was arrested in October 2001 as he entered Pakistan from Afghanistan with a group of armed men after US-led military launched a campaign to oust the fundamentalist Taliban regime.

"Sufi Mohammed and the jirga (tribal council) have given assurances that he and his companions will remain peaceful," Babek said.

"Our government wants all the issues to be resolved amicably through negotiations," he said.

A copy of the peace agreement issued to media late Monday said suicide bombings and the killing of innocent people had necessitated the accord.

Under the agreement, TNSM will continue to pursue a peaceful struggle for the enforcement of Islamic Sharia while respecting the law and condemning those commit violence.

Mohammad, who held sway in northwestern Swat valley of North West Frontier Province, allegedly sent hundreds of men into Afghanistan to fight in support of the Taliban against US-led military.

The Swat valley used to attract a large number of foreign visitors drawn by its Buddhist heritage and archaeological sites.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 22, 2008 12:00 AM
182
UK backs Pakistan over militants
UK Foreign Secretary David Miliband has given his public support to the Pakistani government's efforts to negotiate with Islamist militants.

But he insisted that talks should only be held with militants prepared to renounce violence.

"Reconciliation does not mean creating safe space for terrorists," he told journalists in Islamabad.

He was speaking after meetings with Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gillani and President Pervez Musharraf.

'Humbled'

BBC diplomatic correspondent James Robbins says Mr Miliband very deliberately praised Pakistan's new and still fragile coalition government, which is setting out on a long road to show democratic civilian rule can succeed and survive in Pakistan in the face of extremism and major economic challenges.


Reconciliation means dividing those ideologically committed to wage a war against this country or other countries, and those able to play by non-violent constitutional rules
David Miliband, UK Foreign Secretary



Mr Miliband had dinner with Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari, bitter enemies over many years who have come together in the current coalition.

Mr Miliband said he was humbled to sit next to them and hear them talk of their commitment to each other and to democracy.

But our correspondent says Mr Miliband did not deny the immense challenges facing the new coalition and the people of Pakistan.

He said there was clear evidence of a continuing al-Qaeda presence on both sides of Pakistan's border with Afghanistan.

Britain supports Pakistan's commitment to seek reconciliation with extremists willing to work within the constitution, but Mr Miliband also gave a clear warning to those in Pakistan who argue that the army should not confront the extremists in a war widely blamed on the US.

"Reconciliation means dividing those ideologically committed to wage a war against this country or other countries and those able to play by non-violent constitutional rules," he said.

"It is about building stability and prosperity."

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 22, 2008 12:00 AM
181
Miliband backs talks with Pakistan militants by Masroor Gilani
Mon Apr 21, 10:21 AM ET



Foreign Secretary David Miliband on Monday backed the new Pakistani government's talks with militants, but said there should only be reconciliation with those who renounce violence.

Miliband arrived Sunday for a two-day official visit to Pakistan and has met President Pervez Musharraf, new premier Yousaf Raza Gilani and top officials in North West Frontier Province bordering Afghanistan.

Britain supports "reconciliation with those who are willing to reconcile," Miliband told reporters at a joint press conference with his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mehmood Qureshi.

Peace agreements with pro-Taliban militants in tribal areas have failed in the past and invited criticism from US officials that the deals allowed Al-Qaeda to regroup in the region.

Miliband said he backed Pakistan's "multi-pronged" strategy to deal with militancy through political and economic means as well as security measures, adding that non-violence should be the cornerstone of reconciliation.

Pakistan's new ruling coalition, headed by the party of slain former premier Benazir Bhutto, defeated Musharraf's allies in elections in February and has since slammed the president's reliance on the army to tackle the insurgents.

But Miliband added: "Reconciliation does not mean creating safe space for terrorists.

"Reconciliation means dividing those ideologically committed to wage a war against this country or other countries, and those able to play by non-violent constitutional rules. It is about building stability and prosperity," he said.

Miliband said there was "clear evidence" of an Al-Qaeda presence in the rugged border areas between Pakistan and Afghanistan and called for greater cooperation among Pakistani, Afghan and coalition forces.

Britain is a major provider of development aid for Pakistan.

Gilani told Miliband during their meeting that the "new democratic government would adopt a multi-pronged strategy as the past strategy has failed to produce the desired results," a statement from the premier's office said.

"The Prime Minister said that he had already announced initiation of a dialogue with those who abandoned violence and laid down their arms," it said.

Meanwhile, Musharraf said Pakistan "would continue to confront extremism and terrorism in all its forms through a broad-based approach combining military, political and economic strategies," a statement issued by the foreign ministry said.

During his visit on Sunday to Peshawar, the main city in northwest Pakistan, Miliband said these areas had links with previous terrorist incidents in Britain.

At least two of the suicide bombers involved in the July 2005 attacks on London had previously visited Pakistan's tribal belt.
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Are they coming around to a more sensible point of view?.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 20, 2008 12:00 AM
180
What about Black Pudding, MR. THOMASMID, and the bread-filled Pork Sausages?. The Breakfast, you describe is hardly that of the elite. The Bus Drivers and Conductors at a little eatery opposite Gold's Gym in Hanwell were relishing it with gusto.

I do not forget my roots. I return to them at least three times a week for breakfast on Sunday, for lunch on Friday and Dinner on Saturday, which is Anda-Paratha or Aloo Poori, Beef Biryani and Palak-Paneer with hot Rotis respectively.

Crepes with Honey or Maple Syrup and Hot Espresso in Geneve close to the Rolex point is a close second.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 20, 2008 12:00 AM
179
Bullshit, MR. THOMASMID.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 20, 2008 12:00 AM
178
How does one measure the Popularity of a Religion, MR. THOMASMID?. If measured by the number of Practicing Adherents, Islam is miles ahead.

Why do you make these blantant remarks?.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 20, 2008 12:00 AM
177
Hindus are not doing to well in India, MR. THOMASMID. More than Eight Hundred And Sixty Eight Million Indians live on less than Indian Rupees Twenty per day.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 20, 2008 12:00 AM
176
How many Muslims have more than one wife?. Do you know?. Please check and come back, MR. THOMASMID.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 20, 2008 12:00 AM
175
All are from earlier generations, MR. THOMASMID. Any present day list of the current generation will be Hindu most of the way except for a sprinkling of women and followers of other faiths to give a token balance, except, again, in the Arts, Crafts and Entertainment segment where Muslims are doing proprtionately better.

These list contain the usual suspects.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 20, 2008 12:00 AM
174
Thomasmid/Bagai,

>> muslims are doing badly, but to be honest it does not bother us at all. why should we care.

Stop your crap, stop drinking and go to bed.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Apr 19, 2008 12:00 AM
173
Where are you, MR. HAPPY RAM?.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 19, 2008 12:00 AM
172
Classic Pakistani Breakfast
6:25:33 P.M. - Saturday the 19th of April, 2008

Halwa Poori
Poori

Ingredients
Makes about 20 , 2 cups flour
2tsp oil
Oil for deep frying.

Directions
Make the dough with flour and 2 tsp oil and water as needed.
Make into small puris (pancake like) as flat as you can and deep fry in hot oil.

Aloo ki Bhujia

Ingredients
1 medium size potato ,Salt acc. to taste
1/2 tsp chili powder
less than 1/4 tsp of haldi powder
1/2 tsp kalonji seeds.

Directions
Cut the potatoes into small cubes.
Add spices and 1 cup of water and leave on low heat.
When soft, mash lightly.

Cholay

Ingredients
1/2 cup presoaked whole channa, salt acc. to taste
1/2 tsp zeera powder
1/2 tsp crushed Whole dried red chilies
1/4 tsp haldi powder

Directions
Boil the channa with salt until soft.
In a pot heat 1tbs of oil. Add spices and softened channa and 1/4 cup of water.
Mix and mash slightly.
Cook till bubbles appear then remove from heat.

Halwa

Ingredients
2tbs Sujji (semolina)
2tbs oil
4 tbs sugar
1/2 cup water
Seeds of 3 small Illaichi
Yellow food color (optional).

Directions
Put the sujji and oil in a pot along with Illaichi seeds and fry until slightly brown on very low heat.
Meanwhile combine sugar and water to make a syrup.
Add this to the sujji taking care not to burn yourself and cook on low heat to desired consistency.
If you want to color the halwa add the color to the syrup before pouring it into the sujji.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 14, 2008 12:00 AM
171
While an economic middle-class exists, one can perhaps surmise that along with the huge growth in the media providing constant news and information, this class has also become more aware of its rights and perhaps even responsibilities. Perhaps it was these new, emergent and assertive groups that participated in and gave direction to the political and civil society movements of 2007.

However, one must add a word of caution here. If the economic transformations from the agrarian, rural and ‘feudal’ structures have given rise to these new groups or middle classes, it is important to state, that the political role of such classes need not be ‘progressive’, as is often incorrectly assumed and romanticised. The category of the middle-class has no particular moral or ideological mooring. This group or class can be as democratic and revolutionary as it can be fascistic.

Another factor that is affecting society and its relationships is the increasing visibility of women in public spaces, and not merely in parliament. While the largest number of women have been elected from the general seats in the Feb 18 elections, evidence from most urban centres suggests that women are more visible at higher tiers of education, in the media and the growing services sector. It is not just that girls predominate at liberal arts and humanity colleges, rough estimates suggest that, in the case of Karachi University and Government College University for example, girls dominate the campuses by a huge margin.

While many observers point out that on university and college campuses more girls are certainly visible, they immediately add that most wear some version of the hijab, suggesting a form of growing conservatism. These visual descriptions perhaps confirm the view of some that Pakistani society has become far more socially conservative; yet they obscure the liberating element in the lives of many of these girls who escape from their oppressive, traditional, patriarchal and familial bonds, if even for a few hours a day.

Clearly, just the fact that girls are being educated in growing numbers and that women are coming out to work is a revolutionary transformation which has multiple and diverse social, demographic and economic repercussions. Many would consider these as highly progressive.

These are just a mere thimbleful of the many changes that are transforming Pakistani society, its economy, its politics, and its social relations of exchange and production. There are many reasons for these changes, from excess capital liquidity, to globalisation, to the media boom, to women’s education and similar trends. What is required by those who claim to be scholars and social scientists, however, is to spend more time in assessing these changes and examining trends and data in order to inform public opinion in a much better way. A far more aware and informed readership is tired of clichés.
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Did any of you imagine that Pakistan would be that different from the image you have?.





Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 14, 2008 12:00 AM
170

Another kind of change




By S. Akbar Zaidi


WHILE Pakistan’s hesitant political transformation falters further, one has to note that developments over the last decade or so have given rise to numerous substantive changes, which have altered social relations and societal structures.

Always undergoing a process of change, many of these developments are affecting our social, economic and political relationships.

Perhaps the most important factor that, sadly, many Pakistani social scientists still do not comprehend is that Pakistan is neither a so-called feudal, agricultural, rural or even a traditional society or economy. Only those social scientists who write their papers on anecdotal evidence still talk of Pakistan as being feudal. Even a cursory examination of any kind of economic data suggests that this is not so. With the share of agriculture as part of the GDP falling drastically from 26 per cent in 2000 to 20 per cent in 2007, agriculture has lost its predominance in the economy.

The share of agricultural labour has also fallen, from more than half the total in 1990 to 43 per cent today. Land tenure relations and landholdings have also changed markedly. In terms of social ‘values’ and behaviour, while many analysts still call them ‘feudal’, perhaps ‘authoritarian, discriminatory and undemocratic’, may better describe the nature of social relations between people, values and behaviour. These are found in many highly developed countries as well. In order to understand social change and transformation, it is critical that we move beyond clichés which limit our ability to observe and understand.

This is particularly so with regard to clichés such as ‘Pakistan is an agrarian economy’, and the view, that ‘Pakistan is largely rural’. Raza Ali’s extraordinary research on the 1998 census, some of it published in these pages, showed clearly that Pakistan was an urban country with perhaps 50 to 55 per cent of the population living in settlements which by no stretch of the imagination could be called rural. A decade later, in the forthcoming census, most certainly the characteristics which help us define the sensibility and social and economic relations of exchange and production will reveal an even greater share of the urban.

Moreover, with the increase in communications of all sorts, and with so-called urban amenities, such as phones, electricity, roads and other social services easily accessible, if not available, to so-called rural dwellers, the arbitrary binaries between the urban and rural begin to fade. While a host of data can be shown to emphasise this point, the simple fact is that of the one million mobile phones added to the 81 million in service in Pakistan every month, the large majority are ‘rural’, or outside the spaces which are administratively defined as urban.

These structural shifts in economic and consumption patterns have given rise, finally, to the recognition of the emergence, substantial growth and consolidation of a Pakistani middle-class. The consumer boom that has taken place in Pakistan over the last decade or so would not have been possible without the existence of a large entity called the middle-class. Just how large such a class is, is difficult to capture or measure, and one hopes that some estimates of its size will emerge through research.

On account of easy credit, one can present data which support the claim that a consumerist middle-class defines the workings of the economy. For instance, the number of cars and of motorcycles doubled in Pakistan between the period 2001-07; mobile phones, which had a density of just five per cent of the population in 2004, within four years have reached the equivalent of 51 per cent of the Pakistani population. Moreover, despite growing regional and income disparities, per capita income has almost doubled since 2000.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 14, 2008 12:00 AM
169
Global support sought for Benazir’s plan to curb extremism

CAPE TOWN, April 13: Speaker of the National Assembly Dr Fehmida Mirza has called upon the world’s powerful countries to support Benazir Bhutto’s plan, modelled on the Marshall Plan that rebuilt Europe after the World War II, to help the Muslim world in confronting extremism.

She was addressing the fourth meeting of world’s women speakers of parliament, held on the sidelines of the 114th assembly of the Inter-Parliamentary Union. The meeting was presided over by the Speaker of the South African legislature, Baleka Mbete.

Dr Mirza said that global injustices had to be redressed to address the problem of terrorism.

“From the humanitarian crisis in Gaza to the conflicts in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan and Kashmir, there is much that tugs at the hearts of Muslims. Violent extremists have taken advantage of resentment bred by raging conflicts and persisting injustices,” she said.

Dr Mirza is the Muslim world’s first woman speaker.

Referring to ideas outlined by the world’s first Muslim woman prime minister, Ms Bhutto, regarding “a 21st Century Marshall Plan to assist the Islamic world leap into modernity”, she said: “The rich and powerful nations … would have to mobilise resources for this effort just as the Marshall Plan helped rebuild Europe after the Second World War. Funds would be directed at women and families rather than at huge and complex projects.”

She said: “The personalisation of direct and specific programmes can and will have tangible results in spreading goodwill and influence, limiting the power of violent extremists.

“The Benazir Bhutto Plan involves simple, clear, visible and pervasive steps. These may include assuring grain, schoolbooks, medicines, writing materials and inexpensive shoes for the dispossessed.”

She said: “Of course, building modern hospitals is welcome but another place to start is training women healthcare workers to work within their villages, neighbourhoods and towns. This will not only ensure providing basic healthcare in places where one finds no doctor, let alone a hospital, but also utilising women’s potential in a productive and constructive manner.”

She also called for “making women in charge of delivering clean drinking water, providing rudimentary public housing and running one-room village schools” and said this would empower women in rural communities across Asia and Africa, instead of strengthening bureaucracies.

The meeting’s theme this year is ‘Combating poverty: investing in women’.

Dr Mirza said that a fair global order could not be created without addressing the problem of women’s exclusion and poverty.

She also called upon the democratic nations of the world to “unite to protect universal humanitarian values and political freedom.”

“We must shape a world free from exploitation and maltreatment of women and indeed all human beings,” she added.—APP



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 13, 2008 12:00 AM
168
Poll gloom for Brown as Tories' soar 36 minutes ago



The Conservative party are on a 16-year poll rating high, a survey for The Sunday Times newspaper found.

The Conservatives are on 44 percent, with Prime Minister Gordon Brown's governing Labour Party on 28 percent and the Liberal Democrats on 17 percent, the survey by pollsters YouGov showed.

Brown, who has endured a tough week amid criticism from Labour backbenchers over his scrapping of the 10 percent starting rate of income tax as the economy suffers from the global credit crunch, saw his personal rating plunge.

From a peak of plus 48 in September, it has now dropped to minus 37, which the weekly broadsheet said was the steepest decline endured by any modern British prime minister.

And the survey indicated that voters would prefer it if Tony Blair were still leading the Labour Party. If he were, the Conservative lead would be just five percentage points, it found.

Brown took over as Labour leader and prime minister when Blair stepped down in June last year.

Just 26 percent thought Brown was "decisive", with 60 percent believing he was a "ditherer".

Furthermore, 57 percent said he was "floundering" and 14 percent thought he was "in control of events".

YouGov questioned 1,755 voters online across Britain on Thursday and Friday.
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It seems ironic but true that the Warriors are losing on both fronts.




Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 13, 2008 12:00 AM
167
Poll gloom for Brown as Tories' soar 36 minutes ago



The Conservative party are on a 16-year poll rating high, a survey for The Sunday Times newspaper found.

The Conservatives are on 44 percent, with Prime Minister Gordon Brown's governing Labour Party on 28 percent and the Liberal Democrats on 17 percent, the survey by pollsters YouGov showed.

Brown, who has endured a tough week amid criticism from Labour backbenchers over his scrapping of the 10 percent starting rate of income tax as the economy suffers from the global credit crunch, saw his personal rating plunge.

From a peak of plus 48 in September, it has now dropped to minus 37, which the weekly broadsheet said was the steepest decline endured by any modern British prime minister.

And the survey indicated that voters would prefer it if Tony Blair were still leading the Labour Party. If he were, the Conservative lead would be just five percentage points, it found.

Brown took over as Labour leader and prime minister when Blair stepped down in June last year.

Just 26 percent thought Brown was "decisive", with 60 percent believing he was a "ditherer".

Furthermore, 57 percent said he was "floundering" and 14 percent thought he was "in control of events".

YouGov questioned 1,755 voters online across Britain on Thursday and Friday.
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It seems ironic but true that the Warriors are losing on both fronts.




Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
166
Even if the share of Muslims in elected bodies is low they and other under represented segments can be involved in the decision making process through innovative mechanisms.
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For kind comment, please, from all and everybody as my Naib Qasid, Mr. Mohammed Amin would announce as he directed us to the Chairman's Office.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
165
Muslim community has a representation of only 4.5% in Indian Railways while 98.7% of them are positioned at lower levels. Representation of Muslims is very low in the Universities and in Banks. Their share in police constables is only 6%, in health 4.4%, in transport 6.5%.
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For kind comment please, MR. DORJE.




Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
164
The presence of Muslims has been found to be only 3% in the IAS, 1.8% in the IFS and 4% in the IPS.
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For kind comment, please, MR. V. SESHADRI.




Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
163
Muslim households in urban areas are in the less than Rs.500 expenditure bracket.
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For kind comment, please, MR. THOMASMID.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
162
Muslim concentration villages are not well served with pucca approach roads and local bus stops.
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For kind comment, please, MR. GANESAN.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
161
The average amount of bank loan disbursed to the Muslims is 2/3 of the amount disbursed to other minorities.
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For kind comment, please, MR. A. K. GHAI.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
160
The participation of Muslims in the professional and managerial cadre is low.
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For kind comment, please, MR. VIKAS RANJAN.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
159
The access to government schools for children of Muslim parents is limited.
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For kind comment, please, MR. HAPPY RAM.





Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
158
Nuclear scientist says he confessed to 'save' Pakistan 12 minutes ago



Detained Pakistani nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan said that he took the blame four years ago for passing atomic secrets to Iran, North Korea and Libya in order to "save his country".

Khan, who has been under effective house arrest since confessing on television in 2004 to running a proliferation network, added that the country's new government had not yet contacted him about his possible release.

Khan was pardoned by President Pervez Musharraf after his confession but has remained under detention. Musharraf denied any state involvement in Khan's activities but has rejected international requests to quiz the scientist.

"I saved the country for the first time when I made Pakistan a nuclear nation and saved it again when I confessed and took the whole blame on myself," Khan told AFP in a telephone interview from his Islamabad villa late Sunday.

Khan is hailed as a hero by many Pakistanis for transforming the country into the Islamic world's first nuclear power. Pakistan carried out nuclear tests in 1998 in response to detonations by neighbouring India.

"Even Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain (former prime minister) and Mushahid Hussain (a senator from the party that backs Musharraf) said I saved Pakistan by accepting the whole blame myself," he added.

Musharraf's political allies were routed in elections in February and a new government formed by slain opposition leader Benazir Bhutto's party and the grouping of former premier Nawaz Sharif has taken power.

Members of the new government have indicated that they may consider freeing Khan as they review Musharraf's policies over the last nine years and seek to roll back his powers.

But Khan said he had had no contact with the new administration.

"No government official has so far contacted me about my release nor I would contact any of them to do so," Khan said. "You had better ask this question of the government."

Khan was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2006 and was briefly hospitalised last month with complications.

"I have faith in Allah and believe that wisdom is hidden in everything. I believe in positive thinking and get comfort by reading the Holy Koran during my detention," he said.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
157
For as long as you remain an idiot, MR. HYAPPY RAM.

That was for the kind information of MR. VIKAS RANKA jis ki bolti meh neh kuch arsey key liyey bandh kar di.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
156


PRESENT OLD NAME YEAR CITY WEBSITE NOTES
Army Burn Hall College (1997) Burn Hall School Abbottabad Est in Baramula. Shifted to Abbottabad in 1948.
Under the Diocesan Board of Education, Rawalpindi until 1975/76
Sacred Heart Convent Faisalabad
(Lyallpur)
Bai Virbaiji Soparivala (BVS) Parsi High School 1859 Karachi www.bvs.edu.pk
Karachi Grammar School (KGS) 1847
Karachi
Mama Parsi School Karachi
St. Joseph's Convent School (SJC) 1861 Karachi
St. Patrick's High School Karachi
Convent of Jesus and Mary 1876 Lahore
Queen Mary College (1911) Victoria Mary Girls High School 1908 Lahore
St Anthony's School Lahore
Convent of Jesus and Mary 1876 Murree Unofficial: CJM by Sonia Farooq
CJM by Dr. Ali Jan
Address: Convent of Jesus and Mary, Pindi Point, Murree, Pakistan
Lawrence College 1860 Murree www.lawrence.edu.pk
Presentation Convent Murree
St. Denys' Girls School Murrree
Edward Boys College Peshawar
Elizabeth Girls High School Peshawar
Presentation Convent School Peshawar
St Michael’s Convent School Peshawar
St. Joseph's Convent Quetta
St. Mary's School Quetta
Presentation Convent 1895 Rawalpindi Founded by: Sr. Ignatius McDermot, an Irish woman with Sr. Evangelist Coatsworth and Sr. Xavier Lonergan
St. Mary's Rawalpindi
Convent of Jesus and Mary 1856 Sialkot
St Mary’s School 1889 Sukkar
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MR. VIKAS RANJAN.
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Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
155
Forman Christian College is a private, chartered university in Lahore, Pakistan. Named after its founder, Dr. Charles William Forman, it is ranked among the best institutions of higher education in Punjab (Pakistan), as measured by the examination scores of the regional education board (Board of Intermediate & Secondary Education, Lahore).


Sinclair Hall (former Allama Iqbal Auditorium) at Forman Christian College, LahoreForman Christian College is one of the oldest and highest ranking colleges of South Asia, founded by Dr. Charles William Forman who arrived in India in 1847 and, two years later, settled in Lahore in north India (now Pakistan). He was the founder of the Rang Mahal School, Lahore which was the first Anglo-vernacular school in north India. This school added a college department in 1865 which was later known as Forman Christian College. Dr. Forman was very influential in developing the educational system of Punjab.
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I do not lie, MR. VIKAS RANJAN. It is a University now.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
154
Any comments about my comments, MR. VIKAS RANJAN, about that famous Book Review?.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
153
Do you have a Baha'i General, MR. VIKAS RANJAN?.



Do you?.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
152
Why are you ducking the Muslims in the Indian Security Forces Issues?.



Do they not count?.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
151
Why have you ducked, the Field Marshal Manekshaw Issue?.

Is he a Liar?.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
150
That will make you an even bigger idiot, MR. HAPPY RAM. Life is change. Live your life. Change with it. Stagnation breeds idiots.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
149
Because this excerpt is from India's greatest Newspaper "The Hindu". M r. Khalidi's work was called scholarly by the newspaper. He is an Indian.

The Daily Times is only carrying a "news item". Its credibility is not in question. The credibility of the U. S. A.'s Representatives may be.

You are proving to be a bigger idiot than I thought, MR. HAPPY RAM.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
148
We shall remain until you idiots change, MR. HAPPY RAM.




Is India's leading Field Marshal a Liar, Liar, Liar like me?. Or is he just another honest and fort-right person like me?.

The choice is yours. I know I am honest here. He knows he is honest there. That is what matters.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
147
The situation is no better in the Air Force or the Navy. The former Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat, a man of integrity, noted: "There are hardly any Muslim officers in the Navy and none of them holds posts of any consequence."

Manekshaw told the author that two Defence Ministers "Swaran Singh and Babu Jagjivan Ram opposed the cases of two Muslim officers whom he wanted promoted to the rank of Lieutenant General."



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
146
You need to be warned, you have opened a Pandora's Box and a Can of Worms. I trust after this you will not affront a Pakistani, Messers VIKAS RANJAN, VINOD and HAPPY RAM, et al.

Omar Khalidi has written two scholarly and excellently researched essays on this and a related theme. They are entitled "Ethnic Composition of the Indian Armed Forces and its Impact on Performance During Riots and Pogroms" and "Ethnic Composition of the Indian Police and Central Paramilitary forces and its Impact on Performance During Riots and Pogroms."

The highly respected journal Pacific Affairs published in early 2002 his article entitled "Ethnic Group Recruitment in the Indian Army; the Contrasting Cases of Sikhs, Muslims, Gurkhas and others". This book covers the wider theme of the religious composition of the armed forces, the paramilitary and the police in six States - Uttar Pradesh, including its notorious provincial armed constabulary, Delhi and Bihar, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Maharashtra and Gujarat.

Every factual statement is backed by a full reference. Khalidi interviewed, among others, Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw, the late Gen.K. Sundarji, Lt.Gen. M.L. Chibber and Maj Gen. Indarjit Rikhye. He also interacted with R.K. Raghavan, former Director of the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), Julio Ribeiro the "super cop", and two former Directors of the Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel National Police Academy in Hyderabad, Aftab Ahmad Ali and Mahmoob B. Mahammad.

The Indian Army comprised 30-36 per cent Muslims at the time of Partition. Since then, it came down to 2 per cent. Only two Muslims rose to the rank of Lieutenant Generals; only six became Major Generals.
In our Defence Services, there are hardly any Muslims left. In the vast Central Secretariat of Delhi, there are very few Muslims. Probably the position is somewhat better in the province, but not much more so. What concerns me most is that there is no effort being made to improve this situation, which is likely to grow worse unless checked" (Jawaharlal Nehru; Letters to Chief Ministers 1947-1964; vol. 3 1952-54; pages 375-376). The prophecy came true.

Decades later, in 1985 George Fernandes, now Defence Minister, admitted "the Muslim is not wanted in the Armed Forces because he is always suspect - whether we want to admit it or not. Most Indians consider Muslims a fifth column for Pakistan."




Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
145
Not only Babu Jagjivan Ram, MR. VINOD, but also Sardar Swaran Singh. Swaranjee did not want to upset the Akali Dal who had a hand in Sikh Military Officers' promotion.

This was said by Field Manekshaw. I have already pasted his Quote in this Form. I will do it again.

If only you guys were not blinded by hate, MR. VINOD?.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
144
You idiot, Field Marshal Manekshaw said this in his book, MR. HAPPY RAM.

In this Age of the P. C. and the Internet, one does not need to confide in any one. A few clicks of the Mouse is enough.

This Forum seemd to be filled with knee-jerk prone, idiotic, hate-filled Indians. What happened to "Normal Distribution"?.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
143
You too are blinded by hate, MR. HAPPY RAM, although you admit to being a Non-Hindu. I have just provided a point-by-point rebuttal Please go through it.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
142
In Pakistan, Women and Minorities can fight for General Seats and are elected against Reserved Seats, MR. VIKAS RANJAN. As a result, we have far superior representation of Women and Minoriyies in our Five Assemblies and Senate than India's.

I do not need to have been their, History tells me so.

Ambedkar became a Buddhist.

The Ahmadi population in Pakistan is miniscule. Do you have a Baha'i M. P.?. Do you have a Parsee Chief Minister?. Do you have a Bodo Governor?. Do you have a Muslim General?.

You are thicker than an idiot. You suffer from Foot-In-The-Mouth Disease. When you debate with me you have to be sharp and possess a sharpness that is not tainted by Vulgar Hate, MR. VIKAS RANJAN.

Actually, I do not belong to Puristan as there is no such country. However, I still think it is better to educate idiots like you.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
141
Babu Jagjivan Ram, is he the same person who said that Muslims can not be promoted to Lieutenant General or equivalent in the Armed Forces Of India, MR. VIKAS RANJAN?.

Those who live in a piss-hole should refrain from pissing on others.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
140
Joseph does not need to lie in such matters, MR. VINOD. He lives here. As for you so many of your ilk you are taken in quickly as you are blinded by hate, hate and more hate.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
139
Out of Karachi's total Hindu population of 9,000,
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9,000 Hindus in Karachi in 1947, MR. VIKAS RANJAN, whose joking?.
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The non-Muslims of Pakistan have had a raw deal since 1947
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Not as raw a deal as the Muslims in India have got. Muslims constitute Fourteen Per Cent of India's people but have about Two Per Cent of everything.
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Ahmed Salim’s account is moving in the extreme.
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As are the Sachar Committee's Report and the Analyses of Mr. A. G. Noorani about the fate of Indian Muslims.
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In Lahore, CW Forman was busy providing
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Forman Christian College is a Full-Fledged University Now.

Sisters of Jesus & Mary opened
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The have expanded immensely since.\
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Maulana Shabbir Ahmed Usmani in the Constituent Assembly told him that non-Muslims could not hold key posts and had to pay a special tax, jiziya.
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Mr. (Justice) Rana Baghwandas and myself rose to the Second-Highest-Level and neither of us nor do other Minorities pay jiyiza.
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omitted the word ‘freely’ when it spoke of the freedom of the non-Muslims to pursue their religions.
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This did not prevent me from going to Church yesterday.




Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
138
Interesting study on the fate of minorities of Puristan.Exposes Joseph for the liar he is.

http://dailytimes.com.p...06\story_6-4-2008_pg3_4


The story begins with' "The non-Muslims of Pakistan have had a raw deal since 1947 when they decided to remain in the new state. Ahmed Salim with his usual investigative nose to the ground has told the story of their betrayal at the hands of Muslim politicians who had no idea what will happen to their values after independence. Hindus, Christians, Sikhs and Parsis have been short-changed by the Pakistan Muslim League on a moderate programme; the party succumbed to the hardline religious politics of the very clerics who had opposed the idea of Pakistan."
Read on.
vikas ranjan
delhi, India
Apr 07, 2008 12:00 AM
137
JOSEPH OF KNOW ALLISTAN
Mujahirs are Muttahids, MR. VINOD. Our compartmentalisation is short-lived. Sudras have been compartmentalised for 4,259 years.


JOSEPH
KARACHI PAKISTAN
10:59:09PM (IST)

1. Shoddy research , you forgot to mention months , days and hours. I am sure you were present when the Shudras were first 'compatrmentalised'.
2. Ever heard of Babu Jagjivan Ram, K.R.Narayanan, B.R.Ambedkar, Shushil Kumar Shinde, Ram Vilas Paswan, Mayawati.
Ever heard of reservation in Parliament.
Now be a good boy and tell me one Ahmadia M.P., Chief Minister, Governor, Army General and convince me of 'short lived compartmentalisation'.
vikas ranjan
delhi, India
Apr 06, 2008 12:00 AM
136
Mujahirs are Muttahids, MR. VINOD. Our compartmentalisation is short-lived. Sudras have been compartmentalised for 4,259 years.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 06, 2008 12:00 AM
135
JOSEPH OF KAHAN SE AYA MAIN HUN KAUN
From where did you conclude that I am from the ISPR. Another Indian Bull Shit.


JOSEPH
KARACHI PAKISTAN
01:52:44PM (IST)

NO. not from , in the sense of being permanent staff, only paid by them on a per word basis.
vikas ranjan
delhi, India
Apr 06, 2008 12:00 AM
134
JOSEPH OF FLYING OVER THE CUCKOO'S NESTISTAN
Indian mendacity in the mode of Chanakya in France was the catalyst, MR. VIKAS RANJAN. Snide sarcasm will get you no where. Store some rice. Store Wheat. Store some Bajra. Save your self.


JOSEPH
KARACHI PAKISTAN
01:51:01PM (IST)

1.Indian mendacity in the mode of Chanakya in France was the catalyst, MR. VIKAS RANJAN.
DUH, Can I have it in plain english instead of forked Puristani please?
2."Store some rice. Store Wheat. Store some Bajra. Save your self."
And why not some Dal also which can be drunk as soup even while the superior air force and the man for man and machine for machine army is losing half the country?
3."Store some rice. Store Wheat. Store some Bajra. Save your self."
O.K. now that we know all about rice, dal and bajra, how about enlightening us about the 600 billion already written down?
vikas ranjan
delhi, India
Apr 06, 2008 12:00 AM
133
From where did you conclude that I am from the ISPR. Another Indian Bull Shit.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 06, 2008 12:00 AM
132
Indian mendacity in the mode of Chanakya in France was the catalyst, MR. VIKAS RANJAN. Snide sarcasm will get you no where. Store some rice. Store Wheat. Store some Bajra. Save your self.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 06, 2008 12:00 AM
131
", why complain, insult and abuse the countries that pay India back in the same coin"

My point is India should pay back more than it gets. I hate debts.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Apr 06, 2008 12:00 AM
130
JOSEPH OF INDIA FRANCE SAME SAME-ISTAN
......and now what is this?. Is India unravelling at the seams?.
French workers smash Lakshmi Mittal office
4 Apr 2008, 1940 hrs IST,AFP

JOSEPH
KARACHI PAKISTAN
12:31:27AM (IST)

French workers protesting at a French steel plant indicates 'unravelling of India at the seams". What next suicide bombing by the believers in Isloo indicating 'India going down the drain'.
Trust the 'truthful', 'unbiased' ,'economist' from ISPR to jump to such absolutely hilarious conclusions.
vikas ranjan
delhi, India
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
129
JOSEPH OF CONFUSION COMPOUNDED-ISTAN
My hatred for War is personal, MR. VIKAS RANJAN. I know how traumatic its effect is.


JOSEPH
KARACHI PAKISTAN
12:09:34AM (IST)

Do you mean that,
A. You as a person , in your capacity as a person hate war. Or
B. You hate war as a person in its own right.

In case of A no great shakes every one loves or hates in his or her personal capacity, if it is B, see a shrink for you are anthromorphising a common noun.
However the issue was why were you suffering during the war even though you had the better air force and man for man and machine fr machine a better army winning the war for you.
vikas ranjan
delhi, India
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
128
JOSEPH OF NEW ECONOMICSISTAN
Calculate the "inexorable fall" in the Sensex, MR. VIKAS RANJAN.

JOSEPH
KARACHI PAKISTAN
01:08:34AM (IST)


Looks like your teachers forgot to teach you that there is no linear correlation between 'real economy' and the stock market indices. A rising stock market does not neccessarily mean a srong economy, and conversely a fall of the indices does not mean dooms day for the economy. Once that has sunk in , you may decide what is it that you want to discuss, share prices or economy.
Meanwhile how about some proof of 600 billion already written down?
vikas ranjan
delhi, India
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
127
RAW is absolutely involved in Balochistan, MR. HAPPY RAM, and in the area in Pakistan adjacent to Helmand Province of Afghanistan.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
126
'RAW camps in Balochistan' -DAWN - Top Stories; 31 August, 200431 Aug 2004 ... KARACHI, Aug 30: Balochistan Chief Minister Jam Mohammad Yusuf on Monday said that involvement of external elements, including the Indian ...
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DAWN - Editorial; January 11, 200611 Jan 2006 ... A disturbing development is Pakistan’s claim that there was evidence of Indian involvement in Balochistan. In a CNN-IBN interview the other ...
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Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
125
You are absolutely right, MR. GANESAN. However, why complain, insult and abuse the countries that pay India back in the same coin. Life is a two way street. If the RAW is doing good work so are the others. Congratulations are in order all around.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
124
You are absolutely right, MR. GANESAN. However, why complain, insult and abuse the countries that pay India back in the same coin. Life is a two way street. If the RAW is doing good work so are the others. Congratulations are in order all around.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
123
You are absolutely right, MR. GANESAN. However, why complain, insult and abuse the countries that pay India back in the same coin. Life is a two way street. If the RAW is doing good work so are the others. Congratulations are in order all around.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
122
"RAW operatives have established many training camps inside Afghanistan to aggravate the activities of Baloch nationalists with an objective of transforming it into a full bloom insurgency"

Good work guys!!
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
121
Arrey bhai, yeh usi link meh hai. Meh to bhagne walon meh seh nahin hoon.

Just as you keep just throwing Mr. Najam Sethi in my face, I am showing you the even more wicked face of India. With one important difference. My choice of analysts is more eclectic. Happy Reading, MR. HAPPY RAM.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
120
In the same time that these alleged incidents would have taken place, MR. HAPPY RAM, more Indians would have committed or died of HIV/ Aids. Please get your priorities right.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
119
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
118
Instead of being elected heavily, Narendra Modi should have been held accountable for his complicity, instigation of anti-minority violence and injustices. Numerous inquiries and commissions, such as the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) of India, held that Narendra Modi, as the chief executive of the state, had complete command over the police and other law enforcement machinery during February 28 through March 02, 2002. They had condemned the role of the Government of Gujarat headed by Modi in providing leadership and material support in the politically motivated attacks on minorities in Gujarat. The European Union and every major Indian and international human rights organization had condemned the Gujarat violence and pointed to the complicity of the Government of Gujarat in the execution of the event. Former President Narayanan reveals that he had directed sending in the Army to Gujarat to stop the violence. He further comments that “How many instances of the serial killings could have been avoided if the Army had resorted to shooting against rioters? The slaughter could have been avoided if the Army was given the freedom to handle the riots.
Inspired by the landslide victory in Gujarat, BJP is now hoping the ‘wave of change’ that commenced in 2007 would culminate into 2008 with the expulsion of Congress led UPA government at the Centre. If this dream of BJP comes true, it will be a nightmare for the minorities because they are well aware of the fanatic Hindu agenda that the non-Hindu people in Hindustan must either adopt the Hindu culture and language, must learn to respect and revere Hindu religion, must entertain no idea but the glorification of the Hindu Nation. They may stay in the country wholly subordinated to the Hindu Nation demanding no privileges, not even citizen’s rights. The elections in Gujrat amount to a declaration of communal war and it demands an adequate response. The coming months will determine whether the secular forces can turn the tide of creeping fascism in India or not.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
117
Will Gujrat polls effect coming elections?
Waqar Ahmed


THE BJP won a landslide victory in Gujarat to gain an overwhelming majority over its nearest rival, the Congress Party. Narendra Modi has been able to win the elections despite the fact that the government in Gujarat was responsible for the death of thousands of its citizens in instances of organized violence, large-scale displacement of its minority populations, continuing denial of justice and the climate of terror that persists in the civil society of Gujarat even today. The Gujarat election result shows a frightening turn in Indian political system. The fascist tactics and strategy of Hindutva seem to have worked very effectively. The BJP campaign was led by Narendra Modi himself. True to his reputation, Modi launched a campaign of fear and intimidation, moving the Hindu voters against the pre-conceived threat of “Muslim terrorism.” His scheme was simple i.e. convince the Hindu voters that they were under a severe threat by the Muslim minority. The Muslims form a mere nine percent of the population of Gujarat, and have borne the brunt of the violence since the Godhra incident. Modi’s election campaign was thus little more than a platform for him and his Sangh followers to flex their street-level muscle. They succeeded in polarizing the electorate along communal lines. Modi’s success in the elections has huge implications for the future of the BJP, and indicates a likely shift towards a harder Hindutva strategy. There is no doubt that the election victory has emboldened the fascists, both in Gujarat and nationally. The Shiv Sena Chief Bal Thackeray (an open admirer of Hitler) said after the election results, “Had Congress come to power in that state, entire Gujarat would have been turned into Godhra once again”. The VHP warned of a storm ahead which was not going to be limited to Gujarat.
This time, a parallel strategy adopted by Hindu nationalists in Gujarat was to acquire popular support for Hindutva through social, developmental, charitable and cultural work. Sangh members were often seen presenting themselves in various villages building schools, constructing wells, and organizing religious functions. They also tried to be among the first to arrive at the site of a natural disaster, offering relief and rehabilitation aid. The Sangh utilizes such opportunities to mobilize local communities, including women, adivasis and dalits, for its cadres, involving them in Sangh campaigns against religious minorities. The participation of Sangh-affiliated, men and women, of Hinduized, adivasi and dalit communities in the assault on Muslims in Gujarat in 2002 exemplifies this pattern. Modi ensured that these people were provided full protection after they had successfully accomplished his venomous agenda of harming minorities specially Muslims. A clear manifestation of this was evident from the facts that under Narendra Modi’s leadership, more than 2,000 cases filed by the victims of the Gujrat violence were never investigated or else were dismissed. Many crimes of 2002 were not reported or the evidence was doctored to not implicate certain politicians, and the cases that reached Gujarat courts often faced a judiciary filled with Sangh members and sympathizers.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
116
In view of Indian government’s concern over security situation in Afghanistan it becomes imperative to bring on record the network of terrorist training camps set up by Indian intelligence agency RAW inside Afghanistan, including at the Afghan military base of Qushila Jadid, in Southern Helmand province; in the Panjshir Valley and also at Khahak and Hassan Killies in western Nimroz province.
India’s trained terrorists intrude into Pakistan’s territory and commit serious acts of terrorism such as mass killings, bombings, torture, and intimidation of civilians. This is proved by the reports when Indian national namely Rohit Vashisht was captured by the Afghan police on 3 September 2007 in district Zarai of Kandahar province for financing Taliban militants in the region. Mr. Rohit revealed that he had been financing Taliban to convince them to carry out suicide attacks against Pakistan and NATO forces.
He further divulged that he was successful to a great extent in convincing Taliban to locate and identify their real enemy (Pakistan) responsible for the mess in the region. Mr. Rohit carried maps of Pakistani cities including Peshawar, Rawalpindi, and Islamabad. Police also recovered names of various Taliban leaders and their addresses with whom he possibly met or contacted during his present stay or his probable previous visit to the area in the past.
Another incident of this kind happened when an Indian doctor working as member of a medical team in Jalalabad was caught redhanded for instigating patients to work for India. These Indian nationals were repatriated quietly to India due to the considerable influence from senior officials of the Indian Embassy including the Ambassador. New Delhi’s intense diplomatic presence has facilitated her to be one of the main aid suppliers towards Afghanistan’s reconstruction. Massive economic appearance of India, too, is not without reason. In the garb of development projects, India is cultivating its agents in the bordering~ areas of Afghanistan for stirring strife in areas straddling the Pak-Afghan border.
In a nutshell, Indian presence in Afghanistan whether diplomatic, military or economic has less to do with reconstruction and more to do with keeping the turf conducive for the workings of RAW against Pakistan. It is said that “ambition is the grand enemy of peace” and it is for Afghan government to realize that Indian expansionism is actually keeping Afghanistan into continuous state of turmoil. The security situation and the insurgency issue in Afghanistan are not going to be solved until the Indian influence on the Afghan government is removed. Only the closer Pak Afghan cooperation will help contain the growing power of insurgents but since the Indians have entirely different goals, the efforts will not bear fruit. Karzai Government should better avoid acting as a henchman or a pawn for New Delhi before it is too late.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
115
RAW operatives have established many training camps inside Afghanistan to aggravate the activities of Baloch nationalists with an objective of transforming it into a full bloom insurgency. Recently, with its presence in Kabul, New Delhi is encircling Islamabad with high lX trained commandoes. She has deployed 143 highly trained commandoes in Afghanistan besides stationing of a full-fledged team to train Afghan and Uzbek forces. This is in addition to the already deployed 254 Indo-Tibetan Border Police Force (ITBP) soldiers to provide security to Indian construction companies. India claims that these troops are there to protect Indian workers but in reality, these workers are actively supporting the militants in Balochistan and FATA.
Besides Indian ingress into Afghanistan through its consulates to destabilize Pakistan, she has also managed to influence the political stratum of Afghanistan as well. In this context, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has been playing ‘the evil game of blaming the Pakistan government, at the behest of Indians, to hide its own weakness to establish the writ of his government beyond Kabul. It is out in open that the government of Afghanistan is in fact a ‘B’ team of Indian intelligence agencies as instead of working for the rehabilitation of the war ravaged country and betterment of people she is dancing to the tune of .its Indian masters. Ironically, Afghan government has no explanation .for mysterious spending of the millions of dollars it received in aid and no answer for the worsening situation of law and order in Afghanistan except to accuse Pakistan for their inept policies. Recently Indian Minister for External Affairs, Pranab Mukherjee, in an interview to a Television channel said that Taliban militia had established training camps along the southern Dorder of Afghanistan which are being used as launching pads to push infiltrators across the border while expressing concern over fragile security situation and the growing influence of Taliban militia in Afghanistan.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
114
Why are you so agitated, These are not my fantasies as you put it. These are ground realities that upset your vision that India is an Angel.
India - A secret player
Jawayria Malik

AFGHANISTAN has a long and tumultuous history of outside powers using its rugged terrain as a chessboard for the ‘Great Game’. This “Great Game” has been revisited in Afghanistan and one of the chasing players this time is ‘India. In recent years, Indian increased diplomatic presence and enhanced economic assistance to Afghanistan has not only threatened the security of Pakistan but also played an effective role in jeopardizing the Pak-Afghan cooperation to contain the flow of insurgency in Afghanistan.
There is no dearth of hint that India is good times friend of Afghanistan. She welcomed the communist Saur Revolution in Kabul in 1978 and sided with former Soviet Union and is equally responsible for the destruction of Afghanistan. Indian influence which started trailing in 1979 was entirely lost in Afghanistan in 1992 and during Taliban rule. The fall of Taliban regime and the return of Northern Alliance as a dominant partner in present government in Afghanistan provided India another opportunity to regain the lost influence in the country. Since then she is trying to dominate Afghanistan. In her bid to get a firm and lasting foothold in post Taliban, she is leaving no stone unturned to perpetuate her presence there. Here the point to ponder’ is why Indians are so desperate to have cordial relations with Afghanistan?
It goes without saying that India has no legitimate role in Afghanistan but the dream to confront Pakistan. She is making all-out efforts, to prevent Pakistan from having influence in Afghanistan, by aggravating anti Pakistan sentiments among Afghan people. Apparently, Indian intention could be economic gains but real objective remains destabilizing Pakistan.
Indian diplomatic missions in Afghanistan have a role in fomenting trouble in Pakistan’s tribal areas. Indian consulates in Jalalabad, Kandahar, Herat,’ and Mazar-e-sharif and their embassy in Kabul are indulged in clandestine activities inside Pakistan in general and FAT A and Balochistan in particular. The intelligence network in Afghanistan which is established by India is fully operational. The Marines from Multiple One (India company) based at LashkarGah, a forward operation base, has been undertaking missions in Balochistan by supporting the Baluchistan Liberation Army (BLA). Their main targets include Chinese working in the province, particularly at Gwadar, Saindak, and Hub.




Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
113
Afghan intelligence agency RAM (Riyast-i-Amniyat-i-Milli) is also paving easy way for India to increase her hegemony in political, economic, and cultural arenas. RAW’s illegal activities undertaken from Afghanistan against Pakistan are the result of continued Indian interference in Afghan domestic affairs. Due to Afghan Government’s blessings, it has become easy for RAW to perform disguised role under diplomatic cover in Afghanistan. High ranking officials and political leaders in Kabul have developed secret relations with RAW. Due to such relations, rather than getting information RAW is taking information from them and use it against Pakistan because the main aim of RAW is to support Indian interests from behind the screen.

India has sought an alternative, indirect, and covert mode of warfare through RAW which seek to poison Pak-Afghan relations. RAW is spotting and recruiting agents trailed them in guerilla warfare, infiltration, subversion, sabotage, and the establishment of saboteur/terrorist organizations in order to carry out suicide bombings in Afghanistan and from Afghan territory into Pakistan as well. Surely India deserves applause for well exploiting Taliban, al-Qaeda and turbulent situation of law and order to hide her subversive activities and perilous agenda of expansionism.

Indian diplomats and RAW officials with the help of Northern Alliance have significant ingress in the Afghan ministry of tribal affairs. They are exploiting the ministry to conduct covert activities against Islamabad and creating rifts between the people of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Indian agents are instrumental in arranging meetings of tribal elders and Afghans with dual nationalities with Indian consulate officials in Jalalabad and assisting them in recruiting agents from Pakistan’s tribal areas for activities prejudicial to Pakistan’s interests.

Pakistan has tried very hard to mend ways with India but India has always considered Pakistan to be the main opponent to its expansionist doctrine. India’s animosity toward Pakistan is psychologically and ideologically deep-rooted and unassailable. India should restrict herself from making war-ravaged Afghanistan a chessboard to pursue her own agenda. Better it would be for India to refrain from playing foul games and testing the patience of Afghans before it is too late. On the other hand, it would be better for Karzai that despite playing the ‘Indian card’ and relying on alien clutches’, he should struggle to stand on his own feet and realise the bloody Indian conspiracy before time runs out.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
112
Afghan Government’s weakness, corruption and dishonesty to its people has not only brought disgrace to whole nation but has also put the sovereignty of the country at stake. Now, Afghanistan’s endangered sovereignty and independence is visible with the naked eye. Kabul is becoming India’s new colony and New Delhi considers her as a part of India.

New Delhi has hijacked the Afghan intelligence and has completely dominated the affairs of Afghanistan. Kabul has become a playground of foreign intelligence especially RAW and it has made its strong influence in Afghanistan- politically, diplomatically, economically, and culturally.

Reportedly, India is using Northern Alliance to neutralise all the advantages and exploit all the opportunities to destabilise Pakistan from Afghan soil, which is the high priority point on the Indian agenda. RAW is not only involved in stirring up trouble inside Pakistan but its name is also associated with terrorism. Afghanistan has become an increasingly fertile ground for RAW for its seeds of violence and terrorism.

It also upped the violence ante by brazen acts of terrorism which have the RAW hallmarks over them. By waging her influence over Afghanistan, India is keeping the ground ploughed for RAW to persistently work on the agenda of tearing Pakistan apart.

Indian diplomatic enclaves have become nodes for clandestine intelligence footwork; feverishly working not only against Pakistan but Afghanistan as well. Indian networking has expanded massively in Afghanistan and her diplomats are launching their hectic efforts to destabilise Pakistan and to harm Pakistan’s interests in Kabul but Afghan Government has turned a blind eye to the Indian disruptive activities.

The intelligence dimension of the India-Northern Alliance relations is developing on a fast track. Indian officials have been tasked to layout espionage networks, cultivate agents, recruit informers monitor specific areas and organise hit jobs. Indians are lavishly distributing funds to win over the loyalties of local warlords who are willing to tow the Indian line because of the money they receive from India in return. RAW is putting its clandestine operations into high gear to compound the situation, which is already complex from Pakistan’s perspective.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
111
Afghanistan: India’s new colony by Furzana Shaheen
Written by moinansari on Feb-22-08 11:16am
From: rupeenews.com


Afghanistan is passing through a nightmare of turmoil created by ‘covert wars’ involving regional players. Kabul has long been the arena for fomenting trouble against Pakistan by the Indian agencies. Historically, apart from the five years of the Taliban rule from 1996 to 2001, India has enjoyed good to excellent cultural and economic relations with Afghanistan.

The fall of Taliban and the return of the Northern Alliance have come as fortuitous windfall for Indians. They have dug in in Afghanistan again, which is not merely to have influence there but to vie for the ‘Great Game’ as well. New Delhi is over-ambitious to acquire dominating role in this game. It is not surprising that India’s frenzied engagement in Afghanistan is increasing day by day.

India is supporting the Northern Alliance - the potpourri of warlords, which forms major part of the Karzai regime in Kabul. Many Afghans since the ouster of the Taliban regime had pinned their hopes on the new parliament to tackle the present division and political rivalries, but all of their hopes vanished after they saw senior Northern Alliance war criminals and rights abusers of the past in the present parliament. India is playing active role in support of the Northern Alliance and her involvement in Afghanistan is supported by the Afghan Government.

According to the Russian Foreign Ministry officials, New Delhi has a special role in shoring up the Northern Alliance, which is battling the Taliban.

Northern Alliance dominated Afghan Government is acting on the whims of India and Karzai is playing in the hands of Indian masters who are using him to fulfil their vested interests. According to Afghan sources, Indian intelligence agency RAW’s (Research and Analysis Wing) Chief Ashok Chaturvedi treats ‘Karzai like a servant rather than a head of state and speaks to him while chewing and spitting out tobacco’. President Karzai even complained to Manmohan Singh over the way he is spoken to by the RAW Chief. Arrogance and contempt with which Afghan leaders are being treated by Indians shows who is actually in power controlling and contouring both the national and foreign policy of Afghanistan. For India knows it is impossible to keep the Afghans under her thumb in contrast to dictate to the ruling elites of Afghanistan.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
110
Consulate General of India

Afghanistan (Herat) Afghanistan (Jalalabad) Afghanistan (Kandhar)
Afghanistan (Mazar-e-Sharif)

Add the Embassy itself and the remainder are called Information Offices.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
109
I called yopu an arse-hole once, MR. HAPPY RAM. I will call you one again. The eleven Indian Consular and Information Offices in Afghanistan are the hot-beds of training, financing, monitoring and placing terrorism in Balochistan and the region within Pakistan around Helmand Province of Afghanistan.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
108
I called yopu an arse-hole once, MR. HAPPY RAM. I will call you one again. The eleven Indian Consular and Information Offices in Afghanistan are the hot-beds of training, financing, monitoring and placing terrorism in Balochistan and the region within Pakistan around Helmand Province of Afghanistan.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
107
I could have chosen Mr. John Maudlin as well. I was not too sure whether he was a Jew. When talking to Indians, only Jews count. That shall be my Dictum from now on.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
106
MR. HAPPY RAM, you bloody arse-hole, knowing well the putridity and lack of rationality in the Indian mind, I deliberately chose two Jewish Authors by the name of Soros and Bernstien to educate you and others like you.

However, much you try I shall always be one step ahead of your types. I combine Mangalorean Intellect with Bengali Education and Pakistani Fort-Rightness with an immense capacity for Hard Work. I am saying this unabashedly.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
105
The Shape Of The Future
By Peter L. Bernstein


Three months ago, we wrote, "[T]he economic malaise will not be brief, even though its depth is uncertain. The process is going to be like water torture - drip by drip by drip over an extended period of time until all these excesses are squeezed out of the system and new and happier horizons can open up." This metaphor should now form the basis for all decisions, strategies, and analysis. Recessions matter, but the important features of the problems faced by the American economy are not in the short run. The crucial issue is the nature of the new longer-run environment that we are convinced is now a reality. This environment is still in its infancy, but its principal features are already identifiable.

Too few people are thinking along these terms. The short run always tends to dominate mass thinking in any case, but in an odd way the short run is irrelevant to the current situation. The short run is a creature of the immediate past. The longer run will be a profound break from the past. Indeed, the longer run in this instance is going to evolve as it is going to evolve whether we have a perceptible recession in 2008 or whether we squeeze by with a minimum of negative numbers.

Why are we so emphatic about this viewpoint? As Goldilocks shreds, we have to start thinking about what kind of long-term environment is going to replace it. Shifts to new environments are always attenuated. They are also rare across time, which means most of us have limited experience with this phenomenon. New environments often tend to sneak up on us and do not announce themselves with a fanfare. Most of us are unaware of what has happened until enough time passes to provide good perspective.

Imagine, for example, what would have happened if investors had been willing to think through the powerful positive implications of the disinflationary forces that set in during the early 1980s after Paul Volcker had turned the tide of inflation. Instead, backward-focused investors in fear of renewed outbreaks of inflation ignored the way these new trends would lead to a radical improvement in economic stability and opportunity. The record of long-term interest rates in those years is eloquent testimony to the bias toward the past: although yields on ten-year Treasuries broke briefly below 8% in the wake of the oil price break in 1986, they were back up over 8% in 1987 and averaged over 8% for the next two years. Meanwhile, inflation averaged only 4.3%. Clearly, nobody was willing even to think about what the victory over inflation could produce. Yet it would lead to Goldilocks - a remarkable change in the nature of the whole world - would miraculously emerge from the disinflationary environment.

The discussion that follows begins with a few generalities about when and why old environments fade away and begin to yield to new environments. We analyzed this matter some time ago, but recent events provide a better perspective to our line of argument. We go on to explore how much of the old environment has disappeared, which then leads us to some speculation about how the new régime is likely to develop.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
104
What terror?. Which terror?. Where?. In Sri Lanka?. In Bodoland?.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
103
The Shape Of The Future
By Peter L. Bernstein


Three months ago, we wrote, "[T]he economic malaise will not be brief, even though its depth is uncertain. The process is going to be like water torture - drip by drip by drip over an extended period of time until all these excesses are squeezed out of the system and new and happier horizons can open up." This metaphor should now form the basis for all decisions, strategies, and analysis. Recessions matter, but the important features of the problems faced by the American economy are not in the short run. The crucial issue is the nature of the new longer-run environment that we are convinced is now a reality. This environment is still in its infancy, but its principal features are already identifiable.

Too few people are thinking along these terms. The short run always tends to dominate mass thinking in any case, but in an odd way the short run is irrelevant to the current situation. The short run is a creature of the immediate past. The longer run will be a profound break from the past. Indeed, the longer run in this instance is going to evolve as it is going to evolve whether we have a perceptible recession in 2008 or whether we squeeze by with a minimum of negative numbers.

Why are we so emphatic about this viewpoint? As Goldilocks shreds, we have to start thinking about what kind of long-term environment is going to replace it. Shifts to new environments are always attenuated. They are also rare across time, which means most of us have limited experience with this phenomenon. New environments often tend to sneak up on us and do not announce themselves with a fanfare. Most of us are unaware of what has happened until enough time passes to provide good perspective.

Imagine, for example, what would have happened if investors had been willing to think through the powerful positive implications of the disinflationary forces that set in during the early 1980s after Paul Volcker had turned the tide of inflation. Instead, backward-focused investors in fear of renewed outbreaks of inflation ignored the way these new trends would lead to a radical improvement in economic stability and opportunity. The record of long-term interest rates in those years is eloquent testimony to the bias toward the past: although yields on ten-year Treasuries broke briefly below 8% in the wake of the oil price break in 1986, they were back up over 8% in 1987 and averaged over 8% for the next two years. Meanwhile, inflation averaged only 4.3%. Clearly, nobody was willing even to think about what the victory over inflation could produce. Yet it would lead to Goldilocks - a remarkable change in the nature of the whole world - would miraculously emerge from the disinflationary environment.

The discussion that follows begins with a few generalities about when and why old environments fade away and begin to yield to new environments. We analyzed this matter some time ago, but recent events provide a better perspective to our line of argument. We go on to explore how much of the old environment has disappeared, which then leads us to some speculation about how the new régime is likely to develop.

Educate yourselves, all,
everybody.
-----------------------------------BR>




Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
102
>>One Twelveth of India is Waging War against the Government of India, at present..

You are also welcome to join that one twelveth. As a side kick of namak haraam , you will get a cell next to his. After all you are required to enable the "precision guidance".
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
101
Karnataka would approach SC on Hogenakkal: Krishna
5 Apr 2008, 1144 hrs IST,PTI

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NEW DELHI: Former Karnataka Chief Minister S M Krishna has said the state would approach the Supreme Court on the Hogenakkal issue and he was not "concerned" whether the DMK will get upset or the ruling UPA coalition will get affected by the move.

"We can always go to the Supreme Court you know, so that protection is there for every state," he told a news channel.

Asked if the Central leadership would allow the Karnataka unit of the party to go ahead with the move, the former Governor of Maharashtra, who has made a comeback into state politics said, "....if it comes to that, we have no other alternative".

"...we are not really concerned whether the DMK is going to be upset or it is going to have an impact on the Central government, all that we are concerned is how does this project affect Karnataka in terms of the water sharing agreement between Karnataka and the Tamil Nadu," he said when asked whether the Congress will risk upsetting the DMK which is a coalition partner at the Centre.

The central leadership of the party, however, had adopted a cautious approach on Friday saying the state units of the party in Karnataka and Tamil Nadu were free to take their own stands in the matter.

The party apparently adopted cautious approach on the issue in view of the coming Assembly elections in Karnataka.
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Is this the World Court at The Hague, MR. VINOD?. Also will you be watching Rajnikanth's Movies?.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
100
Walk down to your corner book store, MR. THOMASMID, as soon as it opens and buy this book. Highlight the pportions you do not like and Fedex the book to me. Thank You.

The New Paradigm for Financial Markets: The Credit Crisis of 2008 and What It Means

George Soros, the legendary financier, philanthropist and bestselling author, has written a new book, The New Paradigm for Financial Markets: The Credit Crisis of 2008 and What It Means.

Mr. Soros’ opening sentence summarizes his sense of urgency about the turmoil in the financial world, where he is one of the most successful and enduring of investors: “We are in the midst of the worst financial crisis since the 1930s.”

Let us get serious. Let us get real.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
99
One Twelveth of India is Waging War against the Government of India, at present.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
98
Namak Haraam Faruki ,

these are the sections of IPC under which you will be tried.

"CHAPTER VI

OF OFFENCES AGAINST THE STATE



121. Waging, or attempting to wage war, or abetting waging of war against the Government of India

Whoever, wages war against the Government of India, or attempts to wage such war, or abets the waging of such war, shall be punished with death, or Imprisonment for life and shall also be liable to fine.

Illustration

A joins an insurrection against the Government of India. A has committed the offence defined in this section.



121A. Conspiracy to commit offences punishable by section 121

Whoever within or without India conspires to commit any of the offences punishable by section 121, or conspires to overawe, by means of criminal force or the show of criminal force the Central Government or any State Government, shall be punished with imprisonment for life, or with imprisonment of either description which may extend to ten years, and shall also be liable to fine.

Explanation : To constitute a conspiracy under this section, it is not necessary that any act or illegal omission shall take place in pursuance thereof.



122. Collecting arms, etc., with intention of waging war against Government of India

Whoever collects men, arms or ammunition or otherwise prepares to wage war with the intention of either waging or being prepared to wage war against the Government of India, shall be punished with imprisonment for life or imprisonment of either description of a term not exceeding ten years, and shall also be liable to fine.



123. Concealing with intent to facilitate design to wage war

Whoever by any act, or by any illegal omission, conceals the existence of a design to wage war against the Government of India, intending by such concealment to facilitate, or knowing it to be likely that such concealment will facilitate, the waging of such war, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to ten years, and shall also be liable to fine."


http://www.nsitlounge.in/ipc/chap0006.htm


I can start a morcha to request the government to dump you in a jail in yor favourite state, Gujarat, if you so desire.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
97
Here is the EMail, MR. THOMASMID.

With soaring inflation, higher interest rates, tighter money supply, reducing purchasing power, falling capacity and stagflation, "good fundamentals" may be a thing of the past in the not so distant future.

How do you see the Emerging Stock Market Situation?.
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
96
When you debate with me, MR. THOMASMID, please do not be "hairy-fairy" or condescending. It will get you no where. I have no fears or inhibitions when talking about things I know or like. I hope you do not do name dropping or name throwing at me in future. It will rebound on you. Unless, of course, you agree to all that Mr. George Soros says and writes about.

I have a very open mind. I carry the same principles to the young students at Don Bosco as I do in my writings in Dawn, Karachi and The Daily Star, Dhaka.
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
95
We know about George Soros. We know about you, MR. THOMASMID. For you and your ilk, any one who says or writes any thing that is unacceptable to you is writing bilge.

With soaring inflation, higher interest rates, tighter money supply, reducing purchasing power, falling capacity and stagflation, "good fundamentals" may be a thing of the past in the not so distant future.

From January 2, 2008 to date the Sensex has lost about Twenty Five Per Cent. On the other hand, the K. S. E.-100 has gained about Ten Per Cent.

The total FDI+FPI+Home Remittances for Pakistan was U. S. A. Dollars Fourteen Billion in the year to June 30, 2007. In the case of India, it was not Seven Times that Amount in the year to March 31, 2008.

About Mr. George Soros. Read some of his work and tell me your reaction.

The worst market crisis in 60 years
The current financial crisis was precipitated by a bubble in the US housing market. In some ways it resembles other crises that have occurred since the end of the second world war at intervals ranging from four to 10 years.

A Self-Defeating War
The war on terror is a false metaphor that has led to counterproductive and self-defeating policies. Five years after 9/11, a misleading figure of speech applied literally has unleashed a real war fought on several fronts -- Iraq, Gaza, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Somalia -- a war that has killed thousands of innocent civilians and enraged millions around the world.
On Israel, America and AIPAC
The United States and Israel seek to deal only with the president of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, in the hope that new elections would deny Hamas the majority it now has in the Palestinian Legislative Council. This is a hopeless strategy because Hamas has said it would boycott early elections, and even if their outcome would result in Hamas's exclusion from the government, no peace agreement would hold without Hamas's support.

Bush's Latest Blunder
The Bush administration is again committing a blunder in the Middle East by supporting the Israeli government in its refusal to recognise a Palestinian unity government that includes Hamas.
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Mr. George Soros is a person very close to my own heart. That is why I am flumoxxed how is bullish about India. I shall be sending him an EMail after this to find out. I shall keep you
posted.









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Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
94
By the way, MR. VINOD, are, by any chance, Tamil Nadu and Karnataka two independent countries?. Or is this just a lover's squabble.

The intensity with which participants in this Forum tend to ignore, deny and surpress all the shit that is going on in India amazes me. I am equally amazed by the ability of the Truth to prevail, notwithstanding. Truth is not ugly. It is not mendacious. It raises its head where needed. Yesterday in Kashmir. Today in Bodoland. Tomorrow in Tamil Nadu.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
93
My beat is the whole of South Asia, MR. VINOD. Would you like me to tell you why "proudly democratic" India is befriending a terribly autocratic Myanmar?. It is just to spite China. Principals get thrown out and spite comes in. It seems to you that I know India more than I know Pakistan only because I am talking to ill-willed and ill-informed Indians here. I write on cricket too.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
92
While working out the "doom" in the Sensex, please look for the "boom" in the K. S. E.-100.

Good Night, MR. VIKAS RANJAN. Before you sleep in your Night Prayers, pray that Baghwan gives you a more respectable tongue and a more receptive mind. A clean tongue and a clear mind is what Baghwab loves, MR. VIKAS RANJAN, as does Mazda, Yahwey, God and Allah.

Ram Ram Om Shanti Om



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
91
3-Apr-08 15,805.63 16,002.73 15,699.21 15,832.55 15,600 15,832.55

2-Jan-08 20,393.10 20,529.48 20,077.40 20,465.30 20,600 20,465.30


Calculate the "inexorable fall" in the Sensex, MR. VIKAS RANJAN.







Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
90
Are you an M, B. A., MR. VIKAS RANJAN, like Mr. George W. Bush?.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
89
Bush appears out of touch on U.S. economic woes
By Sheryl Gay Stolberg

Thursday, April 3, 2008
WASHINGTON:

The first hint that President George W. Bush might be detached from the country's economic woes was in February, when he conceded that he had not heard about predictions that gasoline could soon cost $4 a gallon.

Then Bush went to Wall Street to warn against "massive government intervention in the housing markets," two days before his administration helped broker the takeover of the investment bank Bear Stearns.

Now Bush is in Eastern Europe, one of eight foreign trips he is taking this year. As he delivered his farewell address to NATO on Wednesday, Senate Democrats and Republicans were scrambling to produce a bill to help struggling homeowners, the kind of government intervention Bush had cautioned against.

For a man who came into office as the first MBA president, Bush has sometimes seemed invisible during the housing and credit crunch. As the economy eclipses Iraq as the top issue on most voters' minds, even some Republican allies of the president say Bush is being eclipsed and is in danger of looking out of touch.

"He's over there arguing about who should get into NATO, and the American people are focused on what's in their pocketbooks," said Kenneth Duberstein, who was chief of staff to President Ronald Reagan in Reagan's second term. "He has talked about the economy, but it is not viewed as being a satisfactory response. Unfortunately, the lasting image is of not knowing of $4-a-gallon gas."
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As is MR. VIKAS RANJAN about India's Economic Woes.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
88
I began by saying we have lived with high inflation and are thus more immune than India.

The rest of the observations are quibbles that come from a sick, putrid and hate-filled mind.

Subsequently, your own Times of India and your own Mr. Buruah have re-iterated what I have said.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
87
......and now what is this?. Is India unravelling at the seams?.
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French workers smash Lakshmi Mittal office
4 Apr 2008, 1940 hrs IST,AFP

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GANDRANGE, FRANCE: French workers in an ArcelorMittal steel plant smashed up their boss's office on Friday and threw his furniture and files out the window after management confirmed hundreds of jobs would be cut.

The attack, seen by reporters and police who did not intervene, came after 60 workers tried to break down doors to get into a meeting at which managers told union leaders that 575 jobs would go due to the plant's partial closure.

After the works council meeting at the Gandrange plant in north-eastern France, members of the CGT union, who had been refused entry, fought briefly with members of another union, the CFDT. No one was wounded.

A group of CGT supporters then headed to the plant director's office to tear it apart, journalists at the site said.

The Gandrange plant of ArcelorMittal, the world's biggest steelmaker, is facing a restructuring plan that would half the workforce of 1,108 between now and 2009.

CFDT representative Edouard Martin said on Friday that the only hope now was that President Nicolas Sarkozy would "keep the promises he made to the workers of Gandrange on February 4."

Sarkozy's office said that the President would meet on Monday with union leaders from the plant to discuss its future.

Sarkozy said during a visit to the plant in February that the government was ready to use state funds, despite concerns from the European Union, to invest in the factory "because our goal is to keep factories open in France."

Arcelor-Mittal, after Sarkozy urged its owner Lakshmi Mittal to reconsider, agreed to freeze its restructuring plan until April in order to consider a counter proposal drafted by specialists selected by trade unions.

Union sources said an investment of 20 to 30 million euros (30 to 44 million dollars) is needed to maintain operations at the plant.

The plant's management repeated in a statement on Friday that all workers whose jobs were to be cut would be offered a position in another Arcelor-Mittal plant, in particular at its plant in nearby Luxembourg.

Prime Minister Francois Fillon said on Tuesday that Sarkozy would meet Lakshmi Mittal "in a few days" to discuss the future of Gandrange.

Many companies are interested in buying the steelworks


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
86
......Here is something from a Buddhist,

HDFC Bank Chief Economist Abheek Baruah said another rate hike could be deeply damaging, saying India had "reached a tipping point where any further tightening could drive us into a phase of prolonged slowdown."




Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
85
"We also expect the central bank to encourage further rupee appreciation" to make imports cheaper, he said, even at the expense of hurting exports and India's flagship outsourcing industry which is already feeling pain from a currency which rose 12 percent against the dollar last year.

Other economists also saw more tightening. JP Morgan senior economist Rajeev Malik predicted a 50 basis point hike in the cash reserve ratio -- the amount banks must hold as cash reserves --- to curb liquidity and said he did not exclude a hike in interest rates.

A slew of interest rates hikes have already slowed the economy by driving up loan costs, hitting consumer demand and industrial growth. Economic growth is seen slowing to as low as seven percent in this fiscal year to March 2009 from around 8.8 percent last year.
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This silly old Pakistani, Christian told you so, MR. VIKAS RANJAN.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
84
Indian inflation accelerated to a more than three-year high of seven percent, data showed Friday, fanning fears of interest rate hikes that could slow growth further in Asia's third-largest economy.

Inflation -- which has more than doubled from a trough of 3.1 percent in October -- last touched seven percent in early December 2004 and is way above the central bank's declared tolerance level of five percent.

"The (inflation) hydra grows" with higher global commodity prices "passing through to local prices" being the primary cause, said Tushar Poddar, Goldman Sachs vice-president of Asia economic research.

The surge is not a "temporary spike," Poddar added, warning India as a "large net importer of commodities, will continue to face elevated prices."

India's benchmark 30-share Sensex index extended its losses after the inflation report, closing down 3.09 percent or 489.43 points at 15,343.12, on worries about monetary tightening which could hit corporate profits and weaken economic growth further.

Analysts forecast additional fiscal moves by the government, including more import duty cuts and higher export taxes but added these could not solve what was a global problem. Some saw inflation at eight percent in coming months.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
83
JOSEPH OF INFINITE STANDARDS-ISTAN
1.A.India;s economy is far more based on exogenous factors than ours,
B.It(Puristan) also has the Safety Net of collosal Arab investment.

Conclusion- Indian FDI is 'exogenous' Puristani FDI is 'endogenous'. English dictionary any one?

2."We were talking about the Global Recession and its impact on India."
A 'Global Recession" that impacts India but leaves Puristan alone for Puristan is not on the Globe but in 'Jennah'. Cosmology anyone?

3."Our immunisation is stronger."
In short 7% is 'inflation" 9% is a healthy dose of "immunisation". Economics anyone?
vikas ranjan
delhi, India
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
82
We are a higher inflation country, MR. VIKAS RANJAN. Our immunisation is stronger. India;s economy is far more based on exogenous factors than ours, such as Off-shore IT work, medical transcription, call centres, employement overseas, tourism in all its aspects includinf medical, drugs and sex.

Also we were not comparing India with Pakistan and vice versa. We were talking about the Global Recession and its impact on India.

We have had a steady secular growth pattern than India's. India's has been Hindu for Forty Years. Muslim for Fifteen and South East Asian for Five. The year 2008 may signal India's return to the Muslim pattern of growth which is High Consumption, Low Savings, High Inflation and High Borrowings and Average growth which at this subject time is about Six to Seven Per Cent.

Khail khatam paise hazam is in the context of a change in the Trajectory. When the Trajectory changes because of exogenous factors both the upper middle class and the poor get affected. The Rich and the Middle class are immunised by their wealth and the joint family system and the safety net it provides respectively.

The upper middle class resultant from "Shining India" will be deeply hit. Their houses, two cars, and credit card spending will all be "foreclosed", if they join the jobless market.

Pakistan's economic is basic. It also has the Safety Net of collosal Arab investment.

Please read Mr. Kuldip Nayar in today's Dawn and the Wall Street Journal's Analysis both of which I have placed in this Forum.

You may deride me. You may lampoon me. You may insult me. You may abuse me. However, you will find it difficult to beat me in depth of knowledge and scope of access to information on Socio-Economic and Investment Issues of South Asia which is the subject matter of my Writing and Consultancy.

As clincher, may I remind you that it has been down, down, down for the Sensex and up and away for the K. S. E. 100.

Khatam Shud.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 05, 2008 12:00 AM
81
My hatred for War is personal, MR. VIKAS RANJAN. I know how traumatic its effect is.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
80
They found fighting their own people unacceptable, MR. VIKAS RANJAN.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
79
You liar, I did not say it has taken off as a Phoenix. I said it rises from the Ashes like a Phoenix.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
78
We are a higher inflation country, MR. VIKAS RANJAN. Our immunisation is stronger. India;s economy is far more based on exogenous factors than ours, such as Off-shore IT work, medical transcription, call centres, employement overseas, tourism in all its aspects includinf medical, drugs and sex.

Also we were not comparing India with Pakistan and vice versa. We were talking about the Global Recession and its impact on India.

We have had a steady secular growth pattern than India's. India's has been Hindu for Forty Years. Muslim for Fifteen and South East Asian for Five. The year 2008 may signal India's return to the Muslim pattern of growth which is High Consumption, Low Savings, High Inflation and High Borrowings and Average growth which at this subject time is about Six to Seven Per Cent.

Khail khatam paise hazam is in the context of a change in the Trajectory. When the Trajectory changes because of exogenous factors both the upper middle class and the poor get affected. The Rich and the Middle class are immunised by their wealth and the joint family system and the safety net it provides respectively.

The upper middle class resultant from "Shining India" will be deeply hit. Their houses, two cars, and credit card spending will all be "foreclosed", if they join the jobless market.

Pakistan's economic is basic. It also has the Safety Net of collosal Arab investment.

Please read Mr. Kuldip Nayar in today's Dawn and the Wall Street Journal's Analysis both of which I have placed in this Forum.

You may deride me. You may lampoon me. You may insult me. You may abuse me. However, you will find it difficult to beat me in depth of knowledge and scope of access to information on Socio-Economic and Investment Issues of South Asia which is the subject matter of my Writing and Consultancy.

As clincher, may I remind you that it has been down, down, down for the Sensex and up and away for the K. S. E. 100.

Khatam Shud.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
77
JOSEPH OF KARACHI
I will not give you the answer until you tell me why Muslims are suspect in the Indian Armed Forces, MR. HAPPY RAM.


JOSEPH
KARACHI PAKISTAN
10:15:38PM (IST)

Find out why Puristani army personnel defected enmasse to the other side in NWFP and FATA and you will have your answer.
vikas ranjan
delhi, India
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
76
JOSEPH OF VOLUNTARY FASTISTAN
I have stood in a queue for an hour or more for a week's quota of four eggs and a bottle of Kerosene Oil at age Six.

I have lived on Dried Chappati and Curds for ten days in 1965 at the University Hostel.

I have lived on Daal drunk like soup for a Week in 1971.

I have had bullets flying across my house and arerial bombing less than a mile away.

I hate War, both of the real and the imaginary kind, MR. LBMN.
JOSEPH
KARACHI PAKISTAN
04:35:46PM (IST)

All this when your superior Air Force and Man for Man better Army was winning the wars for you. I should imagine the victors are entitled to all the spoils ( maal-e-ghanimat, is that the right word). Oh I get it now you were fasting in sympathy with the poor losing Kafirs. How great you are?
vikas ranjan
delhi, India
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
75
JOSEPH OF ALL HONESTY AND NO PREJUDISTAN
Inflation hits 7%; indices drop 2%
4 Apr 2008, 1239 hrs IST,INDIATIMES NEWS NETWORK

Khail khatam paise hazam


JOSEPH
KARACHI PAKISTAN
02:31:19PM (IST)

If with Inflation at 7% the 'khel' is 'khatam' and 'paisa' is 'hazam'.
What happens with Inflation at 9% in Puristan, the khel has begun and the begging bowl is firmly in hand.

http://dailytimes.com.p...01\story_1-4-2008_pg1_1

SBP cuts GDP growth forecast to 6-6.5pc

* Current account deficit to be 6 percent of GDP
* Inflation will rise to 8 to 9 percent
* 4.8 percent agriculture growth target may not be achieved

By Mushfiq Ahmad

KARACHI: The State Bank of Pakistan has cut its forecast for full-year gross domestic product (GDP) growth from the 7.2 percent target set in the beginning of this fiscal year to 6 or 6.5 percent, citing “domestic turbulence and external shocks” as the reasons.

But then since Yusuf Bhai has exclusive rights over 'truth' the SBP must be lying along with the Kafirs.For according to Yusuf Bhai the Puristani economy has taken of as a phoenix.
vikas ranjan
delhi, India
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
74
In continuing to dilly-dally about the following ghastly Planned murders...

[News Report about Pakistanis being well...Pakistanis..."Two thousand passengers would have died in the plot by eight fanatics working "in the name of Islam"...]


Joseph opines with typical Pakistani incoherence:

[Joseph>> how many Indians contacted HIV/Aids?. Two thousand people did not die. They may have died. They could have died...]


In essence, folks - translating Pakistani-logic from Joseph -

"Joseph-Pereira-translated>> hey, more than 2000 people die of disease and perhaps accidents in India all the time - so, what's wrong in some blameless-Pakistanis trying to actively kill 2000 people???"

Of course, then poor Joseph gets surprised by the derision, that the above thinking will draw from most human beings.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
73
Joseph>>"I have always been taken seriously"

Yep, that pretty much explains, why poor Joseph Pereira has to habitually, vomit the piece-parts of his fantasy resume on the back-pages of an Indian online magazine.

But, perhaps Joesph's expectation is to get elected president of the Karachi group of "husbands-who-pim$p-their-wives"

Canvas strongly Joseph - you might just get elected.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
72
LIST OF INDIAN PILOTS - KILLED, POW OR EJECTED
SAFELY


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Note: ES - Ejected Safely, POW - Prisoner of
War


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R
ank & Pilot's Name Sqn No. Date Aircraft & Cause Status
Sqn. Ldr. M.J. Marston
10 10 Sept Vampire, shot up on ground Killed
Sqn. Ldr. O.N. Kacker
27 07 Sept Hunter, shot down POW
Sqn. Ldr. A.B. Devayya
1 07 Sept Mystere, shot down by F-104 Killed
Sqn. Ldr. R.K. Uppal 1 11 Sept Mystere, shot down by anti-aircraft Killed
Sqn. Ldr. N.K. Malik 2 14 Sept Gnat, died of wounds after aircraft landed Killed
Sqn. Ldr. Jasbir Singh 3 07 Sept Mystere, shot down by anti-aircraft Killed
Sqn. Ldr. A.K. Rawlley 7 06 Sept Hunter, shot down by F-86 Killed
Sqn. Ldr. S.B. Bhagwat 7 07 Sept Hunter, shot down by F-86 Killed
Sqn. Ldr. D.P. Chatterjee 7 20 Sept Hunter, shot down by F-86 Killed
Sqn. Ldr. B.S. Sikand 2 03 Sept Gnat, force landed in Pak territory POW
Flt. Lt. P.S. Pingale 7 06 Sept Hunter, shot down by F-86 ES
Flt. Lt. S.K. Sharma 7 20 Sept Hunter, shot down by F-86 ES
Flt. Lt. G.S. Ahuja 27 09 Sept Hunter, shot down by anti-aircraft Killed
Flt. Lt. A.N.Kale 2 13 Sept Gnat, ejected after damage by Sabre ES
Flt. Lt. T.K. Chaudhary 27 15 Sept Hunter, shot down by anti-aircraft Killed
Flt. Lt. V.M. Joshi 220 01 Sept Vampire, shot down by F-86 Killed
Flt. Lt. Babul Guha 1 07 Sept Mystere, lost over Sargodha Killed
Flt. Lt. K.C. Cariappa 20 22 Sept Hunter, lost to anti-aircraft fire POW
Flt. Lt. T.S. Sethi 31 13 Sept Mystere, Shot down by AA Fire Killed
Flt. Lt. M.M. Lowe 5 21 Sept Canberra, shot down by F-104 POW
Flt. Lt. L. Sadarangani 8 13 Sept Mystere, Shot down by anti-aircraft POW
Flt. Lt. V.M. Mayadev 9 19 Sept Gnat, shot down by F-86 POW
Fg. Off. A.R. Gandhi 7 06 Sept Hunter, shot down by F-86 ES
Fg. Off. J.S. Brar 7 07 Sept Hunter, shot down by F-86 Killed
Fg. Off. P.R. Ramchandani 3 26 Sept ?, died after the war Killed
Fg. Off. K.K. Kapur 5 21 Sept Navigator to M.M. Lowe's Canberra Killed
Fg. Off. F.D. Bunsha 7 16 Sept Hunter, shot down Killed
Fg. Off. S. Bharadwaj 45 01 Sept Vampire, shot down by F-86 Killed
Fg. Off. A.K.Bhagwagar 45 01 Sept Vampire, shot down by F-86 Killed
Fg. Off. S.V.Pathak 220 01 Sept Vampire, shot down by F-86 ES
Fg. Off. D.P. Chinoy ? 10 Sept Mystere, shot down by anti-aircraft ES
Fg. Off. M.V. Singh 7 8 Sept Hunter, shot down by anti-aircraft POW


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SUMM
ARY:

No. of pilots taken POW 7

No. of pilots ejected safely 6

No. of pilots killed involving loss of aircraft 17

Aircrew killed 1

Pilots killed not involving aircraft loss 1

TOTAL AIRCREW KILLED AND POW 26
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Our Air Force was and is superior, MR. LBMN.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
71
Note: W/C - Wing Commander, S/L - Squadron Leader, F/L - Flight Lieutenant, F/O - Flying Officer

Date Aircraft Type Pilot Aircraft & Sqn. Location
03-Sep
F-86 Sabre
S/L Trevor Keelor
Gnat - No.23 Sqn
Over Chamb

04-Sep
F-86 Sabre
F/L V.S. Pathania
Gnat - No.23 Sqn
Over Chamb

06-Sep
F-86 Sabre
F/O A.R. Gandhi
Hunter - No. 7 Sqn
Halwara

06-Sep
F-86 Sabre
F/L D.N. Rathore
Hunter - No.27 Sqn
Halwara

06-Sep
F-86 Sabre
F/O V.K. Neb
Hunter - No.27 Sqn
Halwara

07-Sep
F-104 Starfighter
S/L A.B. Devayya
Mystere - No.1 Sqn
Sargodha

07-Sep
F-86 Sabre
F/L A.T. Cooke
Hunter - No.14 Sqn
Kalaikonda

07-Sep
F-86 Sabre
F/O S.C. Mamgain
Hunter - No.14 Sqn
Kalaikonda

14-Sep
F-86 Sabre
W/C Bharat Singh
Gnat - No.2 Sqn
Lahore

16-Sep
F-86 Sabre
F/O P.S. Pingale
Hunter - No. 7 Sqn
Khem Karan

18-Sep
F-86 Sabre
S/L A.S. Sandhu
Gnat - No.23 Sqn
Lahore

19-Sep
F-86 Sabre
S/L Denzil Keelor
Gnat - No.9 Sqn
Sialkot

19-Sep
F-86 Sabre
F/O Vinay Kapila
Gnat - No.9 Sqn
Sialkot

20-Sep
F-86 Sabre
F/O A.K. Mazumdar
Gnat - No.2 Sqn
Kasur



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Please note that was not one Muslim Indian Pilot, MR. LBMN.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
70
PAF CLAIMS VS. OFFICIAL LIST OF IAF
LOSSES


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The following shows a list of air combat kills claimed by the Pakistan Air Force and the losses in the air as per Indian records.

Table A: List of air kills claimed by the PAF (Courtesy of Tomas Polak, Czech Republic)

Note: W/C - Wing Commander, S/L - Squadron Leader, F/L - Flight Lieutenant, F/O - Flying Officer

Date
PAF Claims
Actual Losses
PAF a/c and Sqn. No
Name of Claimant
Location

01 -Sep-65
2 Vampires
2 Vampires
F-86, No.5
S/L S.A. Rafique
Chamb

01 -Sep-65
2 Vampires
1 Vampires
F-86, No.15
F/L Imtiaz Bhatti
Chamb

03 -Sep-65
1 Gnat
1 Gnat
F-104, No.9
F/L Hakimullah
Pasrur

06 -Sep-65
1 Mystere
0
F-104, No.9
S/L A.A. Khan
Rohri

06 -Sep-65
2 Hunters
1 Hunter
F-86, No.11
S/L M.M. Alam
Tarn Tarn

06 -Sep-65
1 Hunter
1 Hunter
F-86, No.5
S/L S.A. Rafique
Halwara

06 -Sep-65
3 Hunters
1 Hunters
F-86, No.5
F/L Cecil Choudary
Halwara

06 -Sep-65
1 Hunter
0
F-86, No.5
F/L Yunus Hussain
Halwara

07 -Sep-65
5 Hunters
3 Hunters
F-86, No.11
S/L M.M. Alam
Sargodha

07 -Sep-65
1 Mystere
0
F-86, No.18
S/L Alauddin Ahmed
Sargodha

07 -Sep-65
1 Mystere
1 Mystere
F-104, No.9
F/L Amjad Hussain
Sargodha

07 -Sep-65
1 Mystere
1 Mystere
F-86, No.?
F/L A.H. Malik
Sargodha

10 -Sep-65
1 Gnat
0
F-86, No.19
S/L Muniruddin Ahmed
Kasur

10 -Sep-65
1 Gnat
0
F-86, No.5
F/L Cecil Choudary
Kasur

13 -Sep-65
1 Gnat
1 Gnat
F-86, No.11
F/L Yusuf Ali Khan
Amritsar

14 -Sep-65
1 Canberra
0
F-104, No.9
S/L M. H. Middlecoat
Sargodha

15 -Sep-65
1 Canberra
0
F-86, No.5
F/L Cecil Choudary
Lahore

16 -Sep-65
2 Hunters
1 Hunter
F-86, No.11
S/L M.M. Alam
Halwara

18 -Sep-65
1 Gnat
0
F-86, No.?
F/L S.S. Hatmi
Tarn Tarn

19 -Sep-65
1 Gnat
1 Gnat
F-86, No.?
S/L Saiful Azam
Sialkot

20 -Sep-65
1 Hunter
1 Hunter
F-86, No.?
S/L Changezi
Lahore

20 -Sep-65
1 Hunter
1 Hunter
F-86, No.?
F/L S.N.A. Jilani
Lahore

21 -Sep-65
1 Canberra
1 Canberra
F-104, No.9
W/C J.A. Khan
Sargodha

N/K
1 Auster
0
F-86, No.18
F/O Qais
Badin

Total
35 Claimed Losses
18 Official Losses

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Please note that there are two Pakistani Christian Pilots. LBMN.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
69
Joseph-the delusional>> "I am a Pakistani and a damn-good-at-my-work-Pakistani"

Hmmmm...but then again, being a Pakistani professional rag-picker with a side-income of counting Liz's street earnings, does not take much talent.

That probably what you mean by a "damn-good-at-my-work-Pakistani".

I'm sure, your graduate degrees from the Binori department of "Addition with fingers", should stand you in good stead, for such deep Pakistani-style professional work.

However, Dont forget to post that CV in duplicate to the Megan's law registry - we're quite sure they'll find you suitably qualified. Your son will help you with the details - his name is probably there in the registry.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
68
While you were keying in your earlier message, MR. LBMN, how many Indians contacted HIV/Aids?. Two thousand people did not die. They may have died. They could have died. Two thousand or more died in India out of Aids alone in the same "hypothetical Time span".

You need to get your priorities right.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
67
I have always been taken seriously, MR. LBMN, except by idiotic, diehard Hindus like you who fail to see beyond their noses.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
66
I want Hindus to convert people in to Hinduism, MR. VINOD, to create a "Balance Of Power" One Hundred Years From Now.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
65
I will not give you the answer until you tell me why Muslims are suspect in the Indian Armed Forces, MR. HAPPY RAM.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
64
Two years down the road, you will remember me and thank me, LBMN. Till then carry on your diatribe but keep storing rice and water alongside.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
63
Two years down the road, you will remember me and thank me, LBMN. Till then carry on your diatribe but keep storing rice and water alongside.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
62
[News Report about Pakistanis being well...Pakistanis..."Two thousand passengers would have died in the plot by eight fanatics working "in the name of Islam"...]

Typical Pakistani incoherence and whining from Joseph, in trying to justify the indefensible:

Khujli>>More Indian Farmers will commit suicide...

Khujli>>I know how it feels to behave irrationally

Khujli>>Open you eyes...

khujli>>I do not obfuscate.

khujli>>Save Rice

khujli>>I have stood in a queue for an hour....

And all this to defend the actions of people of Pakistani-origin trying to blow up 2000 people. After all, for a Pakistani - what could be wrong with trying to kill 2000 people.

Poor boy - wants to be taken seriously. Next!!
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
61
>> Forget me. Think of your family, MR. LBMN.

Dear SOB Joseph, do you really think any one in this forum remembers you, except for your abilities as a stand up comic ??

Do not worry about my family, Take care of yours and ensure lizzy does not walk the streets of Karachi too hard prospecting business.

>>Save People.Save Yourself.

LOL. Save your advice and homilies dear SOB.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
60
>>I have had bullets flying across my house and arerial bombing less than a mile away.

Were the pakistani soldiers and airforce bombers so bad that they missed you and your house ?
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
59
>>Your persistent use of the word SOB reveals your utter frustration.

Dear SOB Joseph, do remember as per your own definition, SOB is a term of "endearment", So why are you getting frustrated SOB joseph?
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
58
LBMN, Happy Ram, AK Ghai

Remember the proverb?
Never argue with an idiot, specially an old idiot. He will bring you down to his IQ level and beat you with experience.

Look at this gem:

“I wish there were more like me.”

I sincerely wish that there are more like him in Pakistan, but none in India. Amen.
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
57
Chutzpah
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For the rap group, see Chutzpah (group). Chutzpah! is also a book by Alan Dershowitz.
Look up Chutzpah in
Wiktionary, the free dictionary.Chutzpah (/xʊʦpæ/) is the quality of audacity, for good or for bad. The word derives from the Hebrew word ḥuṣpâ
(חֻצְפָּ
ה), meaning "insolence", "audacity", and "impertinence". The modern English usage of the word has taken on a wider spectrum of meaning, however, having been popularized through vernacular use, film, literature, and television.

Chutzpah is also similar in meaning to the term "bravura" in music, and the former may be a better term to describe certain forms of musical audacity. This is especially the case as dance, jazz, and jazz dance in particular foster a competitive spirit that no longer exists in classical music to the extent that it once did. Chutzpah could describe a banality in which classical music is disrupted or turned into a competition or duel, while on the other hand a stubborn classical temperament could be viewed as equally audacious, as well as difficult and risky.

In Hebrew, chutzpah is used indignantly, to describe someone who has over-stepped the boundaries of accepted behavior with no shame. But in Yiddish and English, chutzpah has developed ambivalent and even positive connotations. Chutzpah can be used to express admiration for non-conformist but gutsy audacity. One common English adaptation of "chutzpah" is "hoodspa", which has a mostly positive connotation. Leo Rosten in The Joys of Yiddish defines chutzpah as "gall, brazen nerve, effrontery, incredible 'guts,' presumption plus arrogance such as no other word and no other language can do justice to." In this sense, chutzpah expresses both strong disapproval and a grudging admiration.

One example given of the ultimate of chutzpah is: "A boy, having just been convicted of murdering his parents, begs the judge for leniency because he is an orphan."[1]

Related terms in Hebrew are khatsuf (חצוף) and khatsufah (חצופֿה), which means an "impudent man" and an "impudent woman", respectively.
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Forget Chutzpah. Embrace Life.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
56
I have stood in a queue for an hour or more for a week's quota of four eggs and a bottle of Kerosene Oil at age Six.

I have lived on Dried Chappati and Curds for ten days in 1965 at the University Hostel.

I have lived on Daal drunk like soup for a Week in 1971.

I have had bullets flying across my house and arerial bombing less than a mile away.

I hate War, both of the real and the imaginary kind, MR. LBMN.
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
55
More Indian Farmers will commit suicide in one day than those killed by this alleged plot.

Please throw hatred out of the Window. Open you eyes to the coming disasters before you, LBMN. Forget me. Think of your family, MR. LBMN.

I have run my course and have seen poverty, hunger, despair and war. I know how it feels to behave irrationally. War is irrationality at its worst. Conversation is rationality at its best. There is nothing like Dialogue.

I do not obfuscate. I speak my mind. It is for you to accept it. There uis no purpose served in being rude, crude and abusive.

Patience and good sense is advisable in these coming times.

Save Water.

Save Rice.

Save People.

Save Yourself.

Do this by Embracing and not by Antagonising.

Think.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
54
So, the reaction to Pakistan's salient contributions to global transportation, that is to try and blow up 2000 people

[Two thousand passengers would have died in the plot by eight fanatics working "in the name of Islam"...]

is: (remember, this is about the attempted murder of 2000 people...)

attempt 1:
Immoral Joseph : "All is fair in War" - essentially attempts at killing 2000 people is AOK.

attempt 2:
Joseph in Denial: "It could also be a figment of the imagination" - Poor Pakistanis, everybody is trying to malign them...

attempt 3:

Joseph in attempt to Divert attention: "The porportedly (whatever that means) failed attempt to blow up a few Aeroplanes is, in perspective, insignificant in its ramifications as compared"

And the clincher to justify the above behavior:
Joseph uvacha - "I wish there were more like me."
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
53
Hindu rate of growth
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Hindu rate of growth is an expression used to refer to the low annual growth rate of the economy of India, which stagnated around 3.5% from 1950 to 1980. The term, was coined by Indian economist Raj Krishna.

The term suggests that the low growth rate of India, a country with a high Hindu population was in a sharp contrast to high growth rates in other non-Hindu Asian countries, especially the East Asian Tigers, which were also newly independent. This meaning of the term, popularised by Robert McNamara, was used disparagingly and has connotations that refer to the supposed Hindu outlook of fatalism and contentedness[citation needed]. However as noted journalist Arun Shourie has pointed (see quote below) out the so called Hindu rate of growth was a result of socialist policies implemented by staunch secular governments and had nothing to do with Hinduism.

...because of those very socialist policies that their kind had swallowed and imposed on the country, our growth was held down to 3-4 per cent, it was dubbed — with much glee — as ‘the Hindu rate of growth’. [1]


The economy of India has been growing at rate of around 6-8% since the pro-business economic reforms of the 1980s and the economic liberalisation of 1990s
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Will it be reverting to the Hindu Rate or thereabouts soon, MR. THOMASMID?.





Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
52
Intezar farmaiye, Sri LBMN. Hindustan ka haal samne aa jaye ga,

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
51
The porportedly failed attempt to blow up a few Aeroplanes is, in perspective, insignificant in its ramifications as compared with the "Great Global Meltdown" which is happening before are very eyes and is eliciting far less attention.

In my understanding the "War on Terror" is a losing proposition. It will collapse when the Economies of it proponents collapse.

Sadly, and if the World Bank is to be believed, this collapse will ruibn as many as Eighty Four Extremely Poor Countries who will be unable to pay for the burgeoning cost of Food and Fuel.

I may be an old fool. However, L am a concerned old fool. I wish there were more like me.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
50
All is fair in War, MR. LBMN. It could also be a figment of the imagination like WMDs, stolen Uranium from Niger, and the like. Nothing is beyond the West in its losing battle.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
49
The economic condition in Terrorist State of Pakistan cuckooland is precarious indeed. All that window-dressing by the Shortcut Aziz and Musharraf unholy combine is unraveling.

From Pakistan's Business Recorder...
[ Enormous fiscal deficit
Quote:
The combination of rising fiscal deficit and weak external receipts has pushed government borrowings from the State Bank to a record Rs 359.3 billion during July-March, 2008 as compared to only Rs 25.6 billion in the corresponding period of last year. This has been instrumental in sustaining the growth in money supply at around 17.6 percent, significantly offsetting the central bank's efforts to tighten monetary policy.

Reflecting a sharp increase in current account deficit, overall foreign exchange reserves declined to $14.0 billion at the end of February, 2008 from $15.6 billion at the close of June, 2007 while Pak rupee depreciated against US dollar by 3.5 percent during this period.

If the fiscal deficit is not contained in the near future, new problems like further depletion of foreign exchange reserves, depreciation of the rupee rate, contraction of imports of raw materials and other industrial inputs, downgrading of credit rating of the country and loss of confidence in the country's solvency will be added to the list.

Strangely, fiscal managers of the country have excluded Rs 54.6 billion of contingent liabilities of the government from the fiscal deficit. However, since the guarantees provided by the government are likely to be invoked due to the continued precarious position of the borrowing organisations, the truth cannot be masked for long and its implications would be as serious as those of a normal fiscal deficit.]

Phoenix....Phoenix....or perhaps just ashes....

lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
48
Delhi, December 01, 2007 (DefenceIndia News Service)

Following the footsteps of After Air Force and Navy, at least seventy army officers have been appointed as Special Traffic Wardens of Delhi Traffic, in an effort to deal with the day today unruly traffic chaos.

After Air Force and Navy personnel, now it is the turn of Army officers to help Delhi Traffic Police manage the capital's unruly traffic.

According to a release around seventy army officers, including women, were on Thursday appointed as Special Traffic Wardens of Delhi Traffic Police. The officers would serve as a bridge between the Delhi Traffic Police and community for better regulation of vehicles on the city roads, a release said.

They were inducted into the service by Delhi Lt Governor Tejinder Khanna.

Apart from reporting violations of traffic norms and problems faced by commuters, they would also work towards building awareness among motorists, citizens and school students.

Earlier on 10th October 80 Air Force and Navy officers were inducted as special wardens.
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The Bible tells me to seek and find. Yes, there are Women Traffic Wardens in India.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
47
This is to dispel your impression and that of MR. THOMASMID that Muslim Women live within Chaddar Aur Char Diwari.

Your persistent use of the word SOB reveals your utter frustration. You and any one else have yet to answer my query about Women Traffic Wardens.

Pakistan is like a Phoenix. It rises from the Ashes. India Rises. Then reverts to the proverbial "Hindu Rate Of Growth".

Therein is the difference.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
46
Ahh!! but we've forgotten about the magical 8 and their adherence to Pakistani culture of terrorism....

[British Muslims 'planned to kill thousands by bringing down SEVEN transatlantic airliners in one go with liquid bombs'
By CHARLOTTE GILL and SAM GREENHILL - More by this author » Last updated at 10:30am on 4th April 2008 A gang of British Muslims planned to blow up seven planes within hours in the biggest terrorist atrocity since 9/11, a court heard yesterday.

Two thousand passengers would have died in the plot by eight fanatics working "in the name of Islam", the jury was told.

It could have involved up to 18 suicide bombers. And they were almost ready to strike.

The jets they targeted would all have been bound from....]
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
45
>>We were talking about Women Traffic Wardens and not about other matters, MR. HAPPY RAM.

8 women traffic wardens are appointed in the year 2008 , and that is reason enough for SOB joseph to gloat about pakistan!

What a patheic country and what a patehtic SOB joker , joseph is!!
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
44
Manekshaw told the author that two Defence Ministers "Swaran Singh and Babu Jagjivan Ram opposed the cases of two Muslim officers whom he wanted promoted to the rank of Lieutenant General."

What is sad is that, as the Opposition to Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat showed, some members of the armed forces began seeking political support for their promotion. The Akali Dal has been, reportedly, a serial offender.
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Mr. HAPPY RAM.
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Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
43
The Indian Army comprised 30-36 per cent Muslims at the time of Partition. Since then, it came down to 2 per cent.

"In the Services, generally speaking, the representation of the minority communities is lessening. In some cases, it is very poor indeed. It is true that some of the highest offices in the land are occupied by members of these minority communities. They occupy high places also in our foreign missions. But in looking through Central government figures, as well as some others, I am distressed to find that the position is very disadvantageous to them, chiefly to Muslims and sometimes others also.

When the Defence Minister Gopalaswami Ayyangar came to Jammu, I took up the matter with him. He vehemently denied any such circular could have been issued in the first place. I asked Gen. K.M. Cariappa why Kargil Muslims were not recruited, to which he replied that their loyalty to India was suspect."


Decades later, in 1985 George Fernandes, now Defence Minister, admitted "the Muslim is not wanted in the Armed Forces because he is always suspect - whether we want to admit it or not. Most Indians consider Muslims a fifth column for Pakistan." Whether he has done anything in redress remains one of his better kept secrets. The situation is no better in the Air Force or the Navy. The former Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat, a man of integrity, noted: "There are hardly any Muslim officers in the Navy and none of them holds posts of any consequence."
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After you explain this. I will answer your question, MR. HAPPY RAM.





Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
42
Inflation hits 7%; indices drop 2%
4 Apr 2008, 1239 hrs IST,INDIATIMES NEWS NETWORK

SMS NEWS to 58888 for latest updates
MUMBAI: Share prices dropped further after data showed India's annual inflation rose to a three year high at 7 per cent, two whole percentage points higher than the RBI's comfort level. The wholesale prices index for the week to March 22 increased more than the market estimate of 6.62 per cent and the previous week’s 6.68 per cent.

In response to the data, Commerce Minister Kamal Nath said the rise was primarily on account of supply side constraints.

The real worrisome factor in investors’ minds is what the government is likely to do in order to tackle rising prices, analysts said. While fiscal measures have already been taken, there is fear that monetary steps, in the form of hiking the CRR hike could be taken as soon as today. Capital goods, technology, auto and banking shares were worst affected.

At 12:10 pm, the Sensex was down 373 points or 2.36 per cent at 15,459.12, the low point of the day.

BHEL (down 5.14%), HDFC (4.38%), Mahindra & Mahindra (3.64%), Larsen & Toubro (3.51%) and ITC (3.49%) were the biggest Sensex losers.

Ranbaxy Laboratories (up 3.14%), Tata Steel (0.65%) and Hindustan Unilever (0.45%) were the only index gainers.

The Nifty was down 96 points or 2.02 per cent at 4675.30, near the low of 4668.90.

Markets breadth showed 268 gainers and 902 losers on NSE. On BSE, 816 shares rose and 1548 fell.

Courtesy: www.economictimes.com
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Ja ne kahan gaye woh din



Khail khatam paise hazam




Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
41
We were talking about Women Traffic Wardens and not about other matters, MR. HAPPY RAM.

How many, MR. A. K. GHAI?.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
40
Yet the government is all for the Special Economic Zone (SEZ), an area where there are no taxes. Until recently, arable land was acquired for the SEZ in the ‘interest of public good’ and given to industrialists. The Left too went along till the people’s agitation prompted a change in policy. Now cultivable land is not handed over to the SEZ.

In fact, the entire agricultural policy has been wrong for some years. Our per capita food production has regressed to 1970s levels. According to the home ministry, the ‘predisposing factors’ were the failure of land reforms to provide tenants with security of tenure of fair rents and to correct inequalities of landownership through redistribution of land. This is too radical an approach for a government which believes in survival of the fittest.

What India needs is another green revolution. This requires meticulous planning and hard work. But the government only flaunts money which it can utilise to buy grain from abroad. But there is no surplus available anywhere. When five million tons were imported a couple of years ago, there was no shortage. The deal was meant to make money on the side because the price at which the wheat was bought was excessively high. No inquiry has been made because fingers are pointed at Agriculture Minister Sharad Pawar. (Most of the imported wheat was inedible.)

Earlier forecasts for this year’s production were rosy. All of a sudden, the yield is short by 20 to 30 million tons. This is a huge miscalculation for which heads should roll. It is not inconceivable that the miscalculation may have been deliberate so as to allow hoarders to charge a fancy price. The nexus of hoarders and politicians is no secret.

The government has yet to explain why it allowed private players in the field. They brought produce directly from farmers and the godowns of private players or big firms are full. Food grain is still available there but who can conduct a raid when top politicians give hoarders protection?

The situation is so serious that it demands a concerted approach. Yet almost all political parties are exploiting the situation. This may well be at the cost of unity which the country needs most at this time. What they do not realise is that there can be food riots if what we have is not judiciously distributed and if hoarders go scot-free. Water is another thing which may one day cause riots.

I do not know how sound is the proposition to link rivers but water should be on the concurrent list of the constitution. Pakistan which proposes to do away with the concurrent list altogether should think seriously about the repercussions. Common problems like river water and the environment cannot be on the exclusive list of states or provinces.

India offers examples of water disputes. Tamil Nadu and Karnataka are always quarrelling over the water of the Cauvery. Early this week, a pro-Kannada group vandalised cinemas screening Tamil movies and a Tamil Sangam office in Bangalore over a Tamil Nadu water project at Hogennakal. The central government is practically doing nothing. It leaves such problems to the Supreme Court. Had it been possible, the government would have even left the shortage of food grain in the domain of the courts.
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Who is better off, MR. HAPPY RAM?.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
39
It’s wrong economics




By Kuldip Nayar


HOW fortunes can tumble in a fortnight is peculiar to politics. The ruling Congress was on top of the world after giving a popular budget and waiving Rs640bn in farmers’ loans. The party also had a gleam in the eye over the hike, amounting to Rs190bn, in the salaries of civil and military servants.

Calculators were out to count the increase in the number of voters. (The Lok Sabha elections are due in less than a year.)

However, an abnormal price hike has unhinged the Manmohan Singh government. There have been frantic meetings by the Cabinet and its sub-committees to take measures to bring down inflation which is around seven per cent. Everyone, particularly the Left which is supporting the government from the outside, is gunning for the Congress. The party itself is looking for shelter. It is already perturbed over a pre-price-rise survey showing the Congress-led coalition losing 39 seats and its strength coming down to 177 in the 545-member Lok Sabha if elections are held now.

The Congress has itself to blame. It had made people believe that it would not allow the prices of essential commodities like wheat, rice, pulses and edible oil to go up. This impression deepened in the belief that since Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Finance Minister P. Chidambaram was among the best economists in the world, they would manage to control prices. Their job was, however, to convince the electorate that the Congress-led government could do what others would not be able to do.

Knowledge of economics is one thing, using it in a pragmatic way quite another. I recall that when Lal Bahadur Shastri became the prime minister he said at his first press conference that the foremost task before him was to check food prices. He succeeded in doing so. His was a pro-people approach, not a theoretical one.

The problem with the high-brow economists is that their policies are pro-rich to whom the high cost of living does not matter. An increase of 20 to 25 per cent in the prices of essential commodities — as has happened in India in two weeks — has broken the common man’s back, not of the affluent. But the government’s worry is not over the price rise but the growth rate. Although official estimates stick to a growth rate of 8.5 per cent, financial agencies do not think it will go beyond seven. This is not to the liking of the high priests of economics.

Whatever else be the conclusion, it is sheer non-governance. When the price rise is not anticipated even a fortnight before it happens, the fault lies with those who are handling the economic ministries. If the government’s response is limited to banning the export of basmati rice and threatening hoarders with dire consequences — this is what the cabinet has decided — it appears that the government is bereft of ideas. These are routine measures and tantamount to closing the stable after the horse has bolted.

The government’s policies — its economic reforms — are responsible for consumerism. They have set into motion a new fashion of spending which has little consideration for those who cannot afford even grain, much less the goodies. There is more money in the market and more and more people are chasing fewer and fewer goods. Take food grain alone. Production in the last decade went up by 1.2 per cent per year while the population increased by 1.9 per cent annually. What is needed is more food production and more land under cultivation.
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This is what your very own Mr. Kuldip Nayar has to say, MR. HAPPY RAM, about India.




Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
38
Wall Street Journal calls Pakistan a cash magnet

NEW DELHI, April 3: Wall Street Journal has called Pakistan a cash magnet.

The paper, in an article posted on Wednesday, says the Pakistani stock market continues to be a profitable index to invest in. Those missing the boat on profits do it at their own discretion. The Pakistani market has a strong record of growth for 33 per cent in the past decade. Foreign investors are eager to invest in Pakistan.

The Wall Street Journal article is mainly discussing American investment. Arab and Asian investment in Pakistan is continuing at a rapid pace.

Many in Pakistan want to peacefully end the aid relationship with the USA, so that investment worth $10 billion a year can come into a stable economy, saiid the paper. Emaar International is investing more than $28 billion in the housing sector and there have been huge investment in the telcom sector.

“Pakistan Could Become Cash Magnet If New Government Passes Some Tests,” said the paper.

Pakistan’s largely peaceful elections and swearing-in of a new prime minister have brought it some stability. But foreign capital — which stopped coming in because of the nation’s political turmoil — is still sitting on the sidelines, it added.

Investors say they are eager to start putting money back into the country, one of the few emerging markets performing well this year. (The Karachi 100 Stock Exchange 100 Index is up about 8 per cent in 2008.)

However, they are waiting to see whether the new government will restart privatization moves halted last year and take other measures to repair an economy plagued by a budget sh For years prior to 2007, foreign investment in Pakistan rose steadily.

For the fiscal year that ended in June, the country received $5.2 billion in foreign direct investment and $1.8 billion in portfolio investment.

But that was a high-water mark, followed by a temporary state of emergency, riots and the killing of opposition leader Benazir Bhutto. Investors turned sour; in the eight months that ended in February, foreign investment was just two-thirds what it was in the same period one year earlier.

At Pakistan’s stock market, the numbers look surprisingly good. Even with the turbulence of 2007’s last months, the Karachi 100 index was still up 40 per cent for the year. And its performance so far in 2008 compares favorably not just with Western markets, but with the Bombay Stock Exchange’s Sensex index, which has dropped 23 per cent.
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Please note the Date-line, MR. HAPPY RAM. It say "New Delhi". Now that is envy.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
37
Dance is thought and feeling, says Indu Mitha




By Mudassir Raja

RAWALPINDI, April 3: Indu Mitha, a famous classical dancer and teacher, shared her views with the students of National College of Arts (NCA) here Thursday evening. The event proved to be a very fruitful dialogue between the students of the theatre group of the NCA and other participants with Indu Mitha who has more than 50 years of experience as a dancer and dance teacher.

It appeared the students had very little knowledge about classical dance traditions but Indu Mitha’s talk was simple and direct and answered all their questions about the beginning of dance, its place in life, and as an art from of many dimensions.

She said there were few people around now a days who could teach classical dance and those who could had to face many difficulties as teachers. But that was not the only obstacle. The students were equally constrained as conservative families considered dance to be bad in a moral sense. Secondly the new generation itself was so absorbed in the modern life style that they could not submit themselves to the hard discipline of classical dance. Moreover dance required physical fitness and stamina which urban girls used to a life of leisure and physical inactivity did not have, Indu said.

The dialogue with Indu was a first programme of the NCA series called ‘Spotlight’ intended to introduce performing artists to the new generation and make them conversant with distinguished personalities. The monthly programme is open to public.

Indu Mitha who was trained in the Uday Shankar style of modern dance by Zohra and Kameshwan Sehgal at the Zoresh Institute Lahore before Partition, said that when she started her dance education there was only Kathak training available in Lahore. She said there were four types of dance at that time — Kathak, Bharata Natyam, Manipuri and Kathakali. Now there were some seven different types of classical dances.

Indu Mitha is adept in Bharata Natyam genre of dance that she learnt initially at the Bharrati school in Delhi with Vijay Raghava Rao and later from Shrimati Lalita.

In response to a question she said the all around environment and social trends influenced those willing to learn dance. In old South India people used to dance and sing as a regular activity in the evening after the day long hard work, she said.

Indu Mitha, who has taught her daughter and presently conducts regular dance training and community outreach projects in Islamabad, said in the beginning the Indian capital was as bureaucratic and dry as Islamabad was today but with the passage of time literary and artistic people crept in and brought with them different activities.

The artist had also brought the dance in drama and photography and some of her dance photos were shown to the audience. She also exhibited some steps of classical dance invoking keen interest among the students.

The Spotlight ended with the reading of a quotation of Indu Mitha that “Dance is not about taal, dance is not about conformity to music, dance is about ideas and feelings which are universal (not specified to Hindu mythology) but the myths of human beings”.
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This in Pakistan, too, MR. HAPPY RAM. Please believe me.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
36
KARACHI: Celebrating nature through dance




By Shazia Hasan

KARACHI, April 3: A number of traditional dance forms were on display during a performance by acclaimed classical dancer Sheema Kermani and her troupe on Thursday night. Titled ‘An evening of classical dances,’ it was a nostalgic journey through Ms Kermani’s long association with the art form.

The performance at APWA’s Lady Nusrat Haroon Auditorium opened with the melodious Teri Yaad Hai Mun ka Chaen sung by Farid Ayaz and accompanied with a collage of images of Sheema’s parents.

Sheema was sent to learn classical music at the age of eight and was learning dance as well by the time she was 13. The first dance steps were taken at Mr and Mrs Ghanshyam’s school. That was also where Sheema was taught the Manipuri dance by Mrs Ghanshyam. It was performed at the programme by three little dancing dolls — Iman, Samar and Leila — some of the dancer’s youngest students.

This was followed by a dance by Shama, Minha and Mohsin along with their teacher celebrating nature’s gifts — the sea, the sun, the moon and the stars — set to one of Dr Mohammad Iqbal’s Persian poems along with its English translation. The next performance was a Tarana or Tillana, as it is known in Raga Bhopali, which was performed in the dynamic and energetic Bharata Natyam style by two of Sheema’s senior students, Suhaee Abro and Mani Chao. It wasn’t so long ago that Suhaee used to perform the children’s Manipuri dance. It was nice to see the 14-year-old blossoming into a talented dancer under Sheema’s tutelage.

Another duet followed, but it was something very different this time, in the form of Sindh’s traditional snake charmers’ dance. Hence Huma and Mohsin, two seniors in Sheema’s troupe, held the audience in awe with their splendid, swaying dance moves.

Remembering Faiz Ahmed Faiz fondly and how she had once danced to his poem, which the poet had enjoyed very much, Sheema took to the stage again for a solo performance to two of the late poet’s poems: Dasht-i-Tanhai Mein and Shaam, which talk about loneliness and the beloved’s memory to keep one company in solitude.

The one and a half hour-long programme, which started on the dot, came to its climax with Hazrat Amir Khusrau’s qawwali Aaj Rung Hai performed by all of the dancers, led by Sheema. It was a perfect end to an enchanting evening as the teacher, with her talented students, took a bow amidst the audience’s thunderous applause.
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I am sure you did not think this could be in Pakistan, MR. HAPPY RAM?. It is.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
35
Nato leaders seek deeper ties with Pakistan

BUCHAREST, April 3: Nato leaders said on Thursday they wanted to deepen ties with Pakistan and strive to boost security along its porous border with Afghanistan.

In a document laying out their “strategic vision” for Afghanistan’s future, the leaders said that the conflict-torn country’s neighbours have an important role to play in helping build a better future.

They said they “look forward to deepening our engagement with Afghanistan’s neighbours, particularly Pakistan” and “support efforts to improve security and stability along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border.”

The leaders also encouraged “further cooperation and intensified dialogue” between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Nato-led troops are struggling to combat a Taliban-led insurgency in Afghanistan, which is being controlled in part from across the mountainous southern and eastern border in Pakistani towns.—Agencies
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I heard many say we were outcasts, MR. HAPPY RAM. They say it out of sheer envy. We are the World.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
34
S. Arabia plans forum on extremism

RIYADH, April 3: Saudi Arabia plans to hold a conference of senior clerics from around the world this year to promote moderation in Islam and fight extremism, a newspaper reported on its website on Thursday.

It was not clear if the event is linked to a call by King Abdullah last week for dialogue of Muslims, Jews and Christians.

The paper said the plans to organise a conference of Islamic scholars would be pursued in April and May with an eye to holding the event later this year.

The plans were made public at a seminar at King Saud University where the Grand Mufti, the government’s official spokesman on religious affairs, talked of the need for “the middle way” in Islam and appeared to attack radical preachers.

“The extremism of fanatics cannot be considered part of religion, even if they are falsely wearing religious robes,” Sheikh Abdel-Aziz Al al-Sheikh said, according to the paper.

He described “the middle way” as “the piety that should guide young people to good and warn them away from preachers of darkness ... and deviation.”

The comments come after a controversial fatwa by a Saudi cleric that proscribed the death penalty for two writers if they do not recant newspaper opinion pieces deemed “heretical”.

King Abdullah is widely regarded as a supporter of the liberals whose plans to change the image of Islam in Saudi Arabia and promulgate reforms have been resisted by clerics.

In his call for an interfaith dialogue last week, the king said he had won the support of some clerics for a series of meetings of the world’s Muslim scholars to secure support for a conference with Jews and Christians.

Responding to media reports, the Grand Mufti said earlier this week that he had not issued any invitation to Israeli rabbis to attend any conference. But he did not say that he opposed the idea or would not invite rabbis in the future.—Reuters
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Is this not what I said will happen, MR. HAPPY RAM. Please do not underestimate old fools especially if they come from Pakistan. We are wiser than Indians want to believe.




Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
33
Lahore streets greet women traffic wardens




By Our Staff Reporter

LAHORE, April 3: Eight women traffic wardens turned up on heavy-duty bikes on city’s major roads on Thursday for patrolling duty for the first time in the history of the country’s traffic police.

Eighty-four wardens, including the eight women, were handed over 250cc bikes by city police chief (additional IG) Malik Mohammad Iqbal.

“We have imparted a 15-day training to eight female wardens in the first phase and as many wardens are receiving training in the second phase,” Chief Traffic Officer SSP Ghulam Mehmood Dogar told Dawn.

He said that the wardens would patrol The Mall, Jail Road, Gulberg Main Boulevard and Defence Main Boulevard in pair. They will regulate traffic, help and educate people and issue tickets.

“The main focus of the women wardens will be on extending emergency help to commuters, especially female and children,” he added.

He said that separate beats comprising different sectors had been allocated to the women wardens.

Mr Dogar believed that the presence of women wardens on roads would change attitude and behaviour of commuters.

He said that six lady wardens were already patrolling on CG-125 bikes.

There are 134 female traffic wardens in the traffic police but most of them are doing office work.

The city traffic police have 200 250cc bikes in its fleet of which 84 have been handed over to the wardens.
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Are we not very progressive, MR. HAPPY RAM. How many Indian cities have Women Traffic Wardens?.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
32
Swiss resume arms delivery

BERN, April 3: The Swiss government on Thursday reauthorised arms exports to Pakistan, saying it saw positive political developments in the country.

The Federal Council said in a statement that it had given the green light to Swiss company Oerlikon Contraves to deliver a total of 24 anti-aircraft batteries and ammunition worth $153 million. Six of the batteries had already been delivered when the government decided to suspend exports to Pakistan last November.—AFP
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Chanakya does not constrain us, MR. HAPPY RAM.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
31
US braces for Pakistan’s new plan




By Anwar Iqbal

WASHINGTON, April 3: The US military chief has acknowledged that the new government in Islamabad could adopt a new strategy for fighting terrorists hiding in the tribal areas, but hoped that Pakistan would continue to be a strong ally in the war against terror.

“I think we need to be mindful that this is a new government, new leadership (and) could certainly have a new direction,” said Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff. “They, too, are a sovereign country.”

The US media reported on Thursday that Pakistan’s new rulers would not allow US forces to operate unilaterally within their borders.

The media noted that at a meeting with their military commanders on Wednesday, the new rulers declared their intention to start a dialogue with the militants, and rejected the Musharraf government’s policy of allowing US air strikes inside the tribal zone.

Admiral Mullen told a Pentagon briefing on Wednesday evening that the United States was aware of these changes and was prepared to work with the new government.

“We just need to be thinking about how to both recognise this new government, what their plans will be, and then work with them accordingly,” he said.

The US military chief also underlined close ties between the military establishments of the two countries. “From my perspective, we’ve got good military-to-military contacts, so that’s the right contact level for those of us in the military,” he said.

Adm Mullen hoped that Pakistan’s new terrorism policies would also include a strategy for combating terrorism along its border with Afghanistan.

“They’re a strong ally. They’ve been a strong ally in this war on terror, and I believe they will continue to be,” he said.

As with any new setup, the new government in Pakistan would need some time to establish itself fully and “get headed in the direction that they want to go,” he added.

The United States was not contemplating any plan to give a new role to India for combating terrorism in Afghanistan, said the US military chief.

Recent media reports have suggested that during a visit to New Delhi in February, US Defence Secretary Robert Gates sought India’s help for fighting Taliban and Al Qaeda insurgents in Afghanistan.

“And I’m not aware that he had any discussions along the lines of asking India to do anything else in Afghanistan,” said Adm Mullen while commenting on these reports.

He, however, acknowledged that because of its commitments in Iraq, the United States is finding it difficult to send additional troops to Afghanistan to combat terrorists.
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An old fool is a wise fool, MR. HAPPY RAM. Please listen to her or him.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 04, 2008 12:00 AM
30
Govt to follow multi-faceted strategy in terror war: FM




By Our Correspondent

LARKANA, April 3: Pakistan will formulate a multi-pronged strategy for the war on terror and the coalition government’s emphasis would be to try to win the people of tribal areas by holding talks with them to resolve all issues.

However, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said the government would also use military force if it felt it was necessary.

The minister was talking to newsmen in Garhi Khuda Bakhsh Bhutto on Thursday after laying wreaths on the graves of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and Benazir Bhutto.

He said problems of the people of Swat and tribal areas would be resolved on a priority basis and a development package would soon be announced to ensure justice and fairplay.

He said Pakistan wanted to strengthen its relations with all countries, including the United States, China, Iran, Afghanistan and India.

He said the government was determined not to let the country become a sanctuary of terrorists and it would try to do its utmost to restore peace across the country and to take any step needed to achieve this objective.

About Indo-Pakistan relations, Mr Qureshi said Indian foreign minister had called to congratulate him on taking over as foreign minister.

He said Pakistan and India would soon resume the peace process, adding that Indian foreign secretary would be visiting Pakistan soon to be followed by a visit by the Indian foreign minister.

He said Chief of the Army Staff, Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, had briefed the leaders of the parties in the coalition government on the role being played by the army to defend the motherland.

He said the government believed in democracy and wanted to promote reconciliation by holding talks with all political forces.

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There is no fool like an old fool, MR. HAPPY RAM.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 02, 2008 12:00 AM
29
“What is this constant refrain, MR. VINOD, about my being paid for what I say here?”

Vinod, please get it right. Khujli Joe does it for free.

All his pearls of wisdom and comedy show are for free. FREE, my dear friend!! Just think of it!! Such selfless gesture!! Such altruistic motives!! At last he is repaying the loan of his motherland!! By entertaining the citizens of his motherland for FREE!!

In fact the Khujli Joe Tutorials are now officially declared opened on this forum. The free offer is also on on a package deal where Khujli GDP Joe holds classes on concepts like:
‘guided’ democracy (available in military flavor in Pakistan) and its advantages over plain-vanilla democracy of India
Some melt-down (I forgot which)
How to remove blinkers
Mint new updates on GDP of south Asian countries
Secularism Pakistan-style

No enrollment necessary, only logon to this forum and Khujli Joe will drag you, kicking and screaming, from 'darkness' to 'light'!!
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Apr 02, 2008 12:00 AM
28
I dont have to 'sleep' over things to understand them. My brains are not fuddled like yours.

What are you planning to smoke today?
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Apr 02, 2008 12:00 AM
27
Good Morning, MR. BAGACHI. It seems that you do not sleep over thing or forget.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 02, 2008 12:00 AM
26
(sigh!) Give up Vinod. Thick skull Khujli chacha wont get it. remember the proverb:

Never argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and then beat you with experience. And chacha has 68 years of experience in idiocy!!
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Apr 01, 2008 12:00 AM
25
Asses are those, who do not accept the Truth, MR. LBMN. Reformers are those who work for it.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 01, 2008 12:00 AM
24
Do farmers commit suicide in India, MR. Vivek Chatterjee?. I always believed that that was a figment of my lying, scum-bag mind?. I salute your honesty. However, take care.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 01, 2008 12:00 AM
23
You have no right to infringe upon my rights, LBMN.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 01, 2008 12:00 AM
22
You have no right to infringe upon my rights, LBMN.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 01, 2008 12:00 AM
21


TN wants govt to help stop attacks on Tamils in Karnataka
1 Apr 2008, 1902 hrs IST,PTI

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CHENNAI: Amid deepening row with Karnataka over Hogenakkal water project, Tamil Nadu on Tuesday asked its neighbouring state to provide security to Tamils living there following attacks on Tamil theatres while the state Assembly passed a resolution seeking Centre's intervention to stop the attacks.

Tamil Nadu Chief Secretary L K Tripathy told the media here that he has taken up the incidents of violence, including attacks on two theatres screening Tamil movies and an office of a Tamil association, with his Karnataka counterpart.

"We are interacting continuously. I hope Karnataka will provide security to Tamils," he said.

Meanwhile, showing rare unity cutting across partylines, Tamil Nadu Assembly unanimously passed a resolution condemning the attacks and asked the Centre to intervene to stop the violence by 'linguistic-fanatics'.

The Centre has the responsibility to protect the rights of Tamils as also the unity and integrity of the country, the resolution moved by Chief Minister M Karunanidhi said.

Karunanidhi said, "Tamil Nadu has always maintained cordial relationship and brotherhood with neighbouring states but these fanatics are against Tamils welfare. The violence as well as opposition to the project was against the integrity and sovereignty of the nation," he said.

"Some linguistic-fanatics in Karnataka always have an allergy towards Tamils. Unless that is removed, sovereignty and integrity would remain mere words," Karunanidhi said.
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Maharashtrians attack Biharis. Karnatakans attack Tamils. Maoist/Naxalites do not care about who they are attacked. Yet I am attacked about sayiing things are as bad in India.
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Funny Indians, truly funny.
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 01, 2008 12:00 AM
20
The misfortune of this country is that Sharad Pawar, who is unfortunately the agricultural minister, also doubles as the honcho of the BCCI. I think Pawar shirked his duties as a minister of agriculture, and consequently perhaps there is a steep rise in the suicidal deaths of farmers.
Vivek Chatterjee
Calcutta, India
Apr 01, 2008 12:00 AM
19
Dear SOB Joseph,

I think you have strained your weak eyes enough for the day.

You have also increased your anti India post count here. ISI wil pay you your dailywages for today . SO your bread on the table is assured for tomorrow.

Log off before you make a complete ass of yourselves.
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Apr 01, 2008 12:00 AM
18
I know about doodh ka doodh aur pani ka pani, MR. KIRAN BAGACHI.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 01, 2008 12:00 AM
17
By the way, the Orissa Government wants to talk to the Maoist/Naxalites, MR. HAPPY RAM?.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 01, 2008 12:00 AM
16
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Sudhi Ranjan Sen
Thursday, February 21, 2008 (Nayagarh)
The Orissa state government and the Centre are facing a situation where Naxals are benefiting of their welfare schemes in Maoist-affected areas.

Meanwhile, Chief Minister Naveen Patnaik has assured an agitated opposition that all efforts are being made to flush out the Naxalites from the State.

The Centre's double policy of development and police action to deal with Maoists appears to be ineffective, as funds marked for developmental projects are being extorted by Maoists themselves.

This Maoist encounter in Nayagarh recently was an eye opener on how strong they are. A mid-level militant arrested just before the attack confessed that his group had collected Rs 60 crores in just two months through extortions.

Deputy General CRPG said, ''Where ever there are development agencies, houses and roads are being built and there are instances of extortion. Development Funds are being extorted in places where Maoists are strongest.''

There are complaints filed by contractors carrying out developmental work giving details of extortion money paid to Maoists.

Ironically funds for them in Maoist-affected area is never a problem.

About Rs 7000 crores has come in the last two years under National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme. Another Rs 6000 crores will come in the year 2008.

Over Rs 200 crores will come into these areas under the Backward Regions Grant. An additional Rs 2800 crores are marked for the Backward District Development scheme.

''They don't target NREGA because it goes to the common man but they do take money from contractors executing various projects,'' said Raghuvansh Prasad, Minister of Rural Development.

It is a Catch-22 situation for the government because if it reduces developmental funds the Maoist will benefit and also if it continues to pour in funds, Maoist's get a large share of it through extortion.
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Aur yeh log kin kin key gardan kaat rahe hein?.

MR. HAPPY RAM.
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Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 01, 2008 12:00 AM
15
That means, MR. HAPPY RAM, that the Maoist/Naxalites can do anything they want in half of Northern India and, occasionally, extend their reach to Railway Stations in Andhra Pradesh.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 01, 2008 12:00 AM
14
The analogy I gave was in English. If being a dakshin kannadiga, you can’t understand that, it confirms your low IQ. It does not need translation, it needs understanding, but then, that’s your weak area. Nonetheless, let me try for one last time. Read S-L-O-W-L-Y.

In some poor families where parents can’t afford to give milk to their children, they dissolve flour in water and give to their kids, saying its milk. Poor kids accept it and drink it, never knowing the real taste of milk. In response to your highly amusing comment that ‘Pakistan has a guided democracy’, I gave this analogy. Now don’t ask what an analogy is and if you still can’t fathom what I am saying, which is my fear, catch hold of someone in your neighbourhood to explain it to you. I don’t have much patience with natural stupidity.
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Apr 01, 2008 12:00 AM
13
I come from Dakshin Kannada, by origin, MR. KIRAN BAGACHI, and, as such, I am not familiar with this flour solution equating to milk sort of transalation you keep throwing at me every once in a while.

Can you not find something similar in Konkani, English, Urdu or Bangla?.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 01, 2008 12:00 AM
12
SO MUCH SO FOR THE LAME DUCK SARKAR”

Your Itchiness, our lame duck democratic sarkar works better than your ‘guided –democracied’ 2-legged one. It’s pure milk, not flour dissolved in water.
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Apr 01, 2008 12:00 AM
11
Are you talking to the Bodo?. Does it mean that they have captured your land. It is their land, silly?.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Apr 01, 2008 12:00 AM
10
Are you talking to the Bodo?. Does it mean that they have captured your land. It is their land, silly?.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Mar 31, 2008 12:00 AM
9
And in any case, the Indian with the highest IQ will be dwarfed by the intellectual giant Joseph. So I guess all Indians will fall under the "uninformed" category.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Mar 31, 2008 12:00 AM
8
""Now how many of you uninformed Indians had ever heard of the sub-prime melt-down "

The right question is ""Now how many of you Indians had ever heard of the sub-prime melt-down ". If they have heard it they might be called informed and if not then uninformed. Uninformed people by definition are not informed.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Mar 31, 2008 12:00 AM
7
"Negroponte and Boucher have been assigned to review Pakistan's performance in this theater on a quarterly basis and report back to Washington on whether or not aid should be released. In this situation, Pakistan has little option but to follow US demands. The alternative is to take the radical decision to part ways from the "war on terror" and face all sorts of economic sanctions, although at least them the country's sovereignty would not be compromised. "

MESSAGE IS CLEAR FOR 'JO HUKAM ZARDARI SARKAR' -EARN FIRST AND THEN GET LOLIPOPS ! NO FREELUNCHES ANY MORE AND DON'T TOUCH MUSH ! NO IMPEACHMENT !

"A central issue in the judicial row last year was "missing people". These were the hundreds of people picked up by the security agencies for alleged involvement with the Taliban or al-Qaeda. They were detained without trail or formal registration of a police case against them.

The Inter-Service Intelligence released several people under court pressure, but this pressure eventually came to a dead end. This was not because the security agencies necessarily wanted to defy the courts. The problem was that not all of the detainees were in the custody of the Pakistani security agencies. Dozens of them were handed over to the Americans, ending up in Bagram air base in Afghanistan, Guantanamo Bay in Cuba or other US facilities.

Deposed chief justice Iftikhar Chaudhary was so concerned that he summoned all of the chiefs of the intelligence agencies to his chambers to brief him on the missing people. Visiting the chief justice was not a problem, but the intelligence bosses simply did not know the exact locations of the people in US custody.

At this point, the security agencies and the armed forces thought Chaudhary might turn the issue of missing people into a huge scandal. Therefore, on March 9 last year they recommended action him and he was subsequently suspended on charges of abuse of his position.

He was then restored on July 20 and immediately chose a collision course with the establishment on several issues, including the National Reconciliation Ordinance which dropped the corruption cases pending against slain former premier Bhutto Bhutto and her husband Asif Zardari.

So the restoration of the judiciary remains one of the the biggest challenges not only for Musharraf but also for the Pakistani establishment, which in all likelihood will once again be faced with the issue of missing people. "


SO MUCH SO FOR THE LAME DUCK SARKAR .
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Mar 31, 2008 12:00 AM
6
"Now how many of you uninformed Indians had ever heard of the sub-prime melt-down "

Why not ? When Ice MELTS DOWN on Kashmir Passes then ISI sneaks in India the ISI Trained terrorists As it is THE PRIME TIME for nefarious activities of ISI .
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Mar 31, 2008 12:00 AM
5
PART 2 : JO HUKAM SARKAR ! KAYA HUAM HAEIN SARKAR ! HUKAM-HUKAM KARO MERE AKA !

"Through his personal relationships, Musharraf obviously has an intimate knowledge of - and power over - the armed forces and he can effectively keep a check with any moves that would be tantamount to a betrayal of the cause of the "war on terror". At the same time, his constitutional powers enable him to counter any moves by law makers in this regard. ----"

2."Many Pakistani intellectuals and others regularly demand a US policy of non-intervention in Pakistan's affairs, but none of them raises the point of the US's extensive economic and military aid to Pakistan, which is conditional on Islamabad's support in the "war on terror".

Negroponte and Boucher have been assigned to review Pakistan's performance in this theater on a quarterly basis and report back to Washington on whether or not aid should be released. In this situation, Pakistan has little option but to follow US demands. The alternative is to take the radical decision to part ways from the "war on terror" and face all sorts of economic sanctions, although at least them the country's sovereignty would not be compromised. "

JO HUKAM SARKR ! HUKAM KARO SARKAR !
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Mar 31, 2008 12:00 AM
4
"that Gillani will be more able than the unable Sardarji and his puppet-master. What is happening with her in Belgium?."

PAKISTANI JO HUKAM SARKAR ! HUKAM SARKAR ! HUKAM -HUKAM KARO !

"Pakistan in tug of war over terror
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - United States efforts have helped Pakistan come up with a basic formula for co-existence between the presidency, Parliament and the armed forces, but the million-dollar question is how and when the Pakistani establishment will assert itself against hostile politicians and their allies in civil society.

Backroom efforts by US Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte since Pakistan's parliamentary elections on February 18 have already set aside the strong demands for the impeachment of President Pervez Musharraf for alleged unconstitutional actions taken during the "war on terror" over the past five years of his military rule.

Former premier Nawaz Sharif, leader of the Pakistan Muslim League (PML), which is a key part of the new ruling coalition and main rival of Musharraf, has agreed to remain quite on the issue of impeachment.

However, during a meeting with Negroponte and US Assistant Secretary of State Richard Boucher in Pakistan last week, Sharif did not agree on the question of presidential powers to appoint armed services chiefs and the president's constitutional power to intervene in Parliament's assemblies.

Following the meetings, Sharif said he had pointed out to the US officials that one-man decisions in the "war on terror" were a mistake and Parliament should decide on such matters.

Sharif is not entirely correct, though. Pakistan's participation in the battle against terror after September 11, 2001, was an institutional decision by the Pakistan military, and this decision remains, as does its support for Musharraf, even though he has shed his uniform. With this support, and that of the US, Musharraf is seen as a "trouble shooter" should the situation demand. There is no question of him being replaced in this role by a regular politician. "

SALAM CHACHA -MUCH MORE TO COME .

JO HUKAM SARKAR !



a k ghai
mumbai, India
Mar 31, 2008 12:00 AM
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I can assure you, MR. A. K. GHAI, that Gillani will be more able than the unable Sardarji and his puppet-master. What is happening with her in Belgium?.





Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Mar 31, 2008 12:00 AM
2
You need to be more about the reach and writ of the Maoist/Naxalites reaching Andhra Pradesh and beyond, MR. A. K. GHAI.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM
1
Question is simple : Can Gilani extricate from Terroist's Grip ? What about ISI,Queda ,Talibans ,Lashkars,Tanzeems Wahbies,etc ? Will they reverse their Agenda to Talibanise akistan an dlay hands on Islamic Bombs and their after turn first India into land of Believers and whole of South Asia ther after ?

WILL ISI BEHAVE AND ACCEPT GILLANI AS PM ? BB's BROTHER MURTAZA WAS BRUTALLY KILLED BY ISI AT THE DOOR STEPS OF HIS HOUSE WHEN SHE WAS PM LAST TIME.The exeperience of Sahif Mian ji is well known.

OUR GOOD WISHES AND CO-OPERATION WILL BE WITH GILANI AND PAK .

BUT WILL GILLANI BE ABLE ??
a k ghai
mumbai, India