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'F*** All Editors'
The hard truth about Indian journalism: proprietors matter, editors don't
There was a time, not very long ago, when our dailies derived credit from the stature of men who edited them. During the British Raj, editors of British-owned national papers like the Times of India and the Statesman had knighthoods conferred on them. Even after India gained Independence and Indians took over as editors, they enjoyed considerable prestige in society. Names like Frank Moraes, Chalapathi Rau, Kasturi Ranga Iyengar, Pothen Joseph and Prem Bhatia were known to readers. Dilip Padgaonkar, editor of the Times of India in the '80s, was not far wrong in asserting that next to the prime minister he had the most important job in the country. Constructive criticism of the ruling party came not from the opposition political parties but from the free press edited by able, responsible men.

The scenario changed with the spread of TV. People who saw events take place before their own eyes could not be bothered to read about them in the papers next morning. Fewer and fewer people read editorials. Proprietors of newspapers sensed that editors were dispensable as they and their business managers could better meet the challenges posed by the electronic media. All it needed was to fill their pages with pictures of scantily-clad starlets or models, recipes for exotic foods, vintage wines and gossip. The formula could be summed up in four Fs: films, fashion, food and fuck editors. Many notable pen-pushers fell victim to the fourth F: Frank Moraes, Girilal Jain, B.G. Verghese (Magsaysay award winner), Arun Shourie (another Magsaysay awardee), Vinod Mehta, Inder Malhotra, Prem Shankar Jha. Today if you ask who is the editor of the Times of India, the Hindustan Times, the Telegraph and the Statesman, nine out of ten will plead ignorance. As for Dilip Padgaonkar, you may well get the reply in a counter-question: "Dilip who?"

The hard truth about Indian journalism is that proprietors matter, editors do not; money counts, talent does not. The latest instance of money trashing ability and experience is the unceremonious sacking of M.J. Akbar, founder-editor of the Asian Age. He is perhaps the most distinguished living member of his tribe. He started the weekly Sunday and the Telegraph for the Ananda Bazaar group of papers based in Calcutta. He has been elected member of the Lok Sabha and is the author of half-a-dozen books, all of which have gone into several editions. Fifteen years ago, he, with a set of friends, launched the Asian Age. It was a bold venture as the Asian Age came out of all the metropolitan cities of India as well as London. It had little advertising but had a lot more readable material taken from leading British and American journals than any other Indian daily. It was as close to being a complete newspaper as any could be. Besides these unique qualities it also published articles by writers critical of the government and the ruling party. It was probably this aspect of the journal that irked Akbar's latest partner in the venture; he had political ambitions of his own and wished to stay on the right side of the government. So without a word of warning, on the morning of March 1 while he was on his way to office, Akbar learned that his name was no longer on the Asian Age masthead as its editor-in-chief. It was an unpardonable act of discourtesy committed by someone with less breeding and more money.

It is difficult to forecast what Akbar will, or can, do to settle scores with the people who wronged him and the profession of journalism. The episode will rankle in his mind. He is only 57 and a man who never forgets nor forgives.

Akbar was one of the small team of editors who helped me take the circulation of the Illustrated Weekly of India from a measly 60,000 to well above 4,00,000. It is ironical that I was sacked in much the same way in 1978 as Akbar was this year. The journal, like all others published by Bennet Coleman, including the Times of India, had been restored by the government to the Jain family. As soon as they took over, they started meddling in my business. My contract was terminated and my successor appointed. I had one week to go. I wrote a tearful piece of farewell, wishing the Illustrated Weekly future prosperity. It was never published. When I arrived at the office in the morning to tidy up my desk, I was handed a letter asking me to quit immediately. I picked up my umbrella and walked back home.

It was an undeserved, deliberate insult. It still rankles in my mind. The Jain vendetta continues to this day. Even functions held in my honour presided over by people like Amitabh Bachchan, Maharani Gayatri Devi and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, while reported in the Times of India, never carry my name or photograph. That is how small-minded people with pots of money and power can be.
 
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HAVE YOUR SAY
Apr 08, 2008 12:00 AM
84
I agree that MJA writes stylish prose and I regularly read his Byline column. However I find of the current crop of editors, Vir Sanghvi, to be the best for his simple, lucid prose.

And, he does make an attempt to appear impartial - try to give the reader the various dimensions to the great news story of the day.
sandy
Mumbai, India
Mar 23, 2008 12:00 AM
83
Isn't it true that every media, including newspaper are owned by some big 'family' and 'thei' media must support and project the views and interests of the owners, not just economically and politically, but more importantly, as a tool of vendetta.
Pettiness is the national disease of this fetid, land - the filthy rich and high and mighty are not immune from this putrifying disease.
Bodh
Springfield, United States
Mar 22, 2008 12:00 AM
82
Good article.
Also,I was trying to understand why NDTV is so anti BJP.Is it because Pronoy Roy had a bengali mother and Irish father?Even if that was the case ,I thought BJP were always Pro-west?
Palak Paneer
India, India
Mar 22, 2008 12:00 AM
81
The answer is not to listen or read them in case of journalists and to vote them out in the case of politicians.

Abuse is not the answer, MR. VEDAM.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Mar 22, 2008 12:00 AM
80
Media is a business. To insist or even to imply remotely that it is a public service institution is hogwash. It is time Mr. Singh and all defenders of MJ open their eyes to the wonderful world of business realities.

Just as the editors are free to market their talent, the media moguls are free to “buy” to and keep the best that fits their criteria, which, often, is the bottom line of their business.

Gold to one; Brass to others. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder!
sohan
rockville, United States
Mar 22, 2008 12:00 AM
79
Sadly, in keeping with our nature, Outlook India also adopts a one-sidede and hardened stance cloaked in unambivalent headlines such as

Is China A Neurotic State?
'Is Islam Only About Guns And War?'
But Does It Catch Mice?

Every heading is a question whose very wording betrays the drift or slant of the answer. I hope the Executive who looks after this Forum is
listening.

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Sincerely,

Jose
ph.


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Mar 22, 2008 12:00 AM
78
Dear DR. D. GUPTA,
Please go through the observation of one, MR. VEDAM from Hyderabad. He hates recognised journalists because he does not like their views. Have you noticed the four letter wordsÉ.

Can we not learn to like and understand that every one has
rightsÉ.

Sincerely,

Joseph.

BR>


Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Mar 21, 2008 12:00 AM
77
All professions have good and bad people. So, we have people like Burqa Dutta (who forms the majority) who value the chicken kebabs more than journalistic honesty and also have intrepid greats Arun Shourie, M J Akbar. Don't we know how many banquets and fests boot-licking Burqa attends every year ? It is always a easy ride for dishonest Burqas and it is always difficult for Akbars and Shouries.

Congress will remain the dirtiest political party and they will destroy everything that is good for the country.
jaleel
luknow, India
Mar 21, 2008 12:00 AM
76
Akbar was rare indeed. His writings never spared the Congress unlike the likes of Barkha or the glib Arnab Goswami (of Timesnow and a recognised toady) or some such dozen other chamchas.
Akbar usually called spade a spade. The chamchas who masquerade as scribes do organise debates in a grand fashion or call politicians to their studios but never ask one honest question, such as when will quotas turn a backward a forward? They are all accomplices to the ghastly crime of raping the soul of India.
Secondly, why have they not asked a politician that why he or she should depend so much on quotas for his survival that whenever there is a fresh demand for more quotas he goes to any length to fuck even the supreme court? Even a soft-spoken animal like P Chidambaram was ready to fuck the supreme court on quotas.
Whether it is courtiers like Barkha Dutt or her soulmate Vinod who conducta a sham called Big Fight fantasy, these people all have prostituted their honour when they keep away from ruffling political feathers.
While one is proud of Akbar one feels bad about his debauched tribe.
shakeel
hyderabad, India
Mar 21, 2008 12:00 AM
75
Akbar was rare indeed. His writings never spared the Congress unlike the likes of Barkha or Arnab Goswami (of Timesnow and a recognised toady of Congress) or some dozen other chamchas.
Akbar usually called spade a spade. The chamchas who masquerade as scribes do organise debates or call politicians to their studios but never to one honest question, such as when will your quotas turn a backward a forward? They are all accomplices to the crime.
Secondly, why have they not a politician why should he depend so much on quotas for his survival that he goes to any length to fuck even the supreme court?
Whether it is the courtiers like Barkha Dutts or her soulmate Vinod who conducts a sham called Big Fight fantasy all these people who have prostituted their honour rarely ruffle political feathers.
While one is proud of Akbar one feels bad about his tribe who are self-centred and greedy.
shakeel
hyderabad, India
Mar 21, 2008 12:00 AM
74
Congress hands over padma awards to journalists who do its bidding(NDTV, CNN-IBN). Some time back even Vinod Mehta was bragging about some award which was doled out to him by Congress led UPA.

On the other hand, journalists whom Congress doesn't like, are hounded and summarily booted out of their jobs.

"It is said Akbar’s dismissal has a lot to do with the Congress party."

"It is speculated that none other than Congress President Sonia Gandhi wanted Akbar out of The Asian Age and Deccan Chronicle. And Akbar’s conflict with ‘pro-establishment’ Deccan Chronicle Holdings Ltd could have acted detrimental here."

http://www.khaleejtimes...ml§ion=subcontinent
J
Bangalore, India
Mar 20, 2008 12:00 AM
73
Khujli chacha
“Hindus to begin converting others to Hinduism, MR. VINOD, in order that there is a parity developed between the World's Major Religions. Otherwise, I am afraid Hinduism will suffer from the Perils of Diminishing Numbers over this Millennium.”

You don’t lose your sleep over about Hinduism, Khujli chahca. You worry about your own itch, which is getting worst by the day, making you behave like an itchy monkey. Hinduism has survived many assaults and now that many apostates and cowards, who trace their ancestry to Kashmiri Brahmins have left Hinduism, all is well here, I assure you. No go back to smoking whatever you are smoking and enjoy your ‘paradise’ and its 72 virgins. Hinduism is not such an insecure religion that it needs to convince people that it only holds the license to issue passports to heaven.
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Mar 20, 2008 12:00 AM
72
“Did the guilt of leaving Sindh catalyse Mr. Lal Kishan Advani in to saying......”

Advani’s family was forced out of Sindh, like all Hindus who had to choose between life and motherland. The ones that chose life, came to India. Others were killed or are still living there as second-rate citizens.

‘Let me, for the record, tell you how and why we reached Karachi…”
Okay, so in your case it was the lure of money and comfort.

“I do not spit out. I cut and paste.”
I did not say you ‘spit out’, I said you ‘spit’ at your motherland. Learn finer nuances of English language, for God’s sake.

And you DO spit! Every morning you greedily scan all newspapers and internet to fish out anti-India stuff. Then, you gleefully cut-paste it here. I call it akin to spitting on one’s own mother every day; nothing else. Had you stayed in India a little longer, you could’ve imbibed the good Indian values. One of them is giving a status higher than heaven to mother and motherland (Janani janmabhumishch swargaadapi gariyasi). You left India too soon.

Just imagine, your may have a few bad qualities too but if your son SPITS at you, EVERYDAY, GLEEFULLY, HAPPILY, and gets pleasure out of it, I’ll call him SICK!!! And so will YOU!!

You don’t have to show your loyalty to your adopted country by spitting at the country of your birth. But if in Pakistan, that’s the default requirement, I PITY you!! Iss umar mein aapko zinda rahne ke liye kya nahi karna pad raha.
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Mar 19, 2008 12:00 AM
71
Apparently for Jatinder, his main Guru was born im Vancouver instead of near Hasan Abdal in Pakistan. I come to this conclusion because he says somewhere in his long diatribe that we have lived on this land which to me would mean Vancouber and not Khalistan.

Another thing, is abuse the only form of debate that Indians are taught.

I am descended from Kashmiri Brahmans who moved to South India and to Mangalore finally some time during the reign of Tipu Sultan. I do not remember any forefather killing any Sikhs. It does not matter. Cussedness creares imbalance and frothing at the mouth, JATINDER.

Here are some choice words which form Indian Vocabulary.

shut the fuck up------I do not know what he is trying to say. Perhaps the f word should come before the s word. Honestly neither word is welcome here.

I have just been to the Stations of the Cross and Novena. I did not know Muslims gig this as prayer.

Foaming at the mouth creates mental aberrations too.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Mar 19, 2008 12:00 AM
70
Joseph
"As you are such an ardent supporter of the "Killer of Khalsas""

The real killer and massacres of Khalsas are not WE but the the people whom your are the decendendts of. read the history else if you wish we can recall houw our GURUS were thron and sacrificed by you traiters in boiling il and how 8 years old child were buriied in the wall. Just shut the fuck up Joseph, because you people dont look good talking about khalsa cause. As for '84, we beleive in our gurus and and one day justice will prevail. Whoever did wrong, can never be let off easily as it is not we dont deliver justice but whoever is right there on top controlling this, takes care of it, we dont like sending bombers in guise of womes and babies to plant bomns in other nation. Khalsa, how manuplative people can be, just imagine, the Khalsas brought your terror under rein way back after you people let loose your ISLAM phobia on world, and now just to crop diffrences, you are showing how much you care. Care about the Dande which US and Mush has given uder you, leave us, we know how to take care of ourselves. We have lived on this land and we will live because on this our Gurus lived and gave sermon, as for you, who knows from where you came from? Try looking for your roots and i dont knwo where they will lead you to. Arab or some Hindu converted forcibaly to muslim.
Jatinder
Vancouver, Canada
Mar 19, 2008 12:00 AM
69
Part of the problem is the utter self-absorption among the editors of English language journalism. Take for example, Singh’s own article. He bemoans that no one reads the editorial pages anymore. Due to the rise of the electronic media, Singh surmises the business pressures led owners into “four Fs” journalism. Overall, his analysis may or may not be true. Yet, instead of concentrating on things which editors do have actual control, namely dull and pedantic copy choking with clichés, Singh bemoans slights suffered and egos bruised of Akbar and himself. It very well may be true the Jain family that earned his ire is a small-minded midgetry. I am also willing to concede that family can at most aspire to the status of a mediocre worm. Nevertheless, the truth is journalism doesn’t happen in a vacuum; apart from economic, technological and social changes. As such, there is no point in bemoaning readers, who actually pay, wanting to be in-the-know about films, fashions and food. Now, if the editors, as a tribe, haven’t royally f’d up the task of editing and mentoring new writers may be they would have more interesting editorials that grab the readers’ attention.

Instead of bemoaning “F editors,” why don’t they write about that verb’s etymology? I am certain not many know that verb is actually an acronym for “For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.” Such a somber sounding Victorian phrase morphing into a short and thick verb, Anglo-Saxon’s most recognized, is a wonderment of language. Since language is the very matrix of thought, third-rate language leads to third-rate thoughts resulting in third-rate editorials.
Augustus aaa
Pune, India
Mar 19, 2008 12:00 AM
68
Pakistan parliament elects first female speaker by Nasir Jaffry
17 minutes ago



Pakistan's parliament on Wednesday elected the first female speaker in the country's 60-year history, a loyalist from the party of assassinated former prime minister Benazir Bhutto.

Fahmida Mirza, 52, could play a crucial role in a looming showdown between a coalition government led by Bhutto's party and President Pervez Musharraf, whose political allies lost heavily in elections a month ago.

MPs pounded their desks in approval as the the purple-veiled former medical doctor was announced the winner with 249 votes from the 342-seat lower house of parliament, or national assembly.

"Fahmida Mirza is declared to have been elected as the speaker of the national assembly," outgoing speaker Amir Hussain announced after a day-long vote before handing over the speaker's chair.

Mirza, a veteran politician from Bhutto's home province of Sindh, then took the oath as the first woman to hold the position in this deeply conservative Islamic nation of 160 million
people.

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Here is something for you MR. THOMASMID. By the way, we have more Women, on a proportionate basis, in our two Houses.

Your men in Parliament refuse to amend the Law to allow more Women in. Is this because Hindu women are expected to sit ar the feet of their men. I often wonder?.



Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Mar 19, 2008 12:00 AM
67
Let me, for the record, tell you how and why we reached Karachi, MR. KIRAN BAGACHI. Just before Independence, my late Father was posted as Manager of The Canara Bank there. We stayed back. Subsequently, he took over as Manager of the Central Bank of India in Chittagong and Dhaka. Finalyy, he was absorbed by Habib Bank and so on.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Mar 19, 2008 12:00 AM
66
I do not spit out. I cut and paste.


MR. KIRAN BAGACHI.
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Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Mar 19, 2008 12:00 AM
65
Did the guilt of leaving Sindh catalyse Mr. Lal Kishan Advani in to saying......

Was he a traitor too, MR. KIRAN BAGACHI?.





Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Mar 19, 2008 12:00 AM
64
Kiran Bagchi,
Thanks for the link to Tavleen Singh's article.
Rajeev
Delhi, India
Mar 19, 2008 12:00 AM
63
'Indian Express, The Hindu and Outlook'
Aha the famous trio.
Indian Express is a US proxy, The Hindu bats for China and is lovingly called by its admirers as The Chindu and Outlook grovels to the diktats of COngress high command.
happy reading.
Rajeev
Delhi, India
Mar 19, 2008 12:00 AM
62
You are an interesting character, khujli chacha. I sometimes wonder what makes you hate india so much. You were born here. Why did you leave the country of your birth? You must be a young boy then but your family must’ve given some reason for it. You were a south Indian Christian. Am sure nobody forced you to go. I don’t see any reason why you chose to go to Pakistan. Were you lured there with false promises? Or you just imagined that some of those 72 virgins will come your way? Why? Why? Why khujli chacha, did you betray your motherland?

Tell us honestly, do you ever regret going there? Did you ever tried to come back? Is the guilt of leaving your motherland eating you? Is that why you have turned this guilt into hate? So much so that in your twilight years, you spend your time, instead of prayers, spitting, day in and day out, at your matrubhumi?
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Mar 18, 2008 12:00 AM
61
To be honest, I find only 3 print media outlets who still give due importance to editorial content. - Indian Express, The Hindu and Outlook. That said, it is also true that a lot of readers nowadays prefer half naked ladies to an informative article by Swapan Dasgupta or Harish Khare or C Rajamohan. I remember sometime ago I wrote a piece on a blog about my favorite columnists, and nearly 90% of those who commented said that they always ignored editorial page of the newspaper.

Mr. Mehta, I for once, would admire you a lot if you are able to ignite this debate and bring about some tangible results. We need a thriving press. The press that ignites minds, the press that makes one think, the press that is objective and doesn't think the reader is stupid. We don't need the press that titillates, the press that is more of a tabloid than a newspaper, the press where editorials have become a commodity.
Munir Parikh
Ahmedabad, India
Mar 18, 2008 12:00 AM
60
Baby Bombers are those Indians who practice Female Foeticide, MR. A. K. GHAI.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Mar 18, 2008 12:00 AM
59
Innocence or otherwise can only be established by Due Process, MR. A. K. GHAI.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Mar 18, 2008 12:00 AM
58
As you are such an ardent supporter of the "Killer of Khalsas", how could I, MR. A. K. GHAI, expect you to criticise extra-judicial killings.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Mar 18, 2008 12:00 AM
57
"We are different and positively different'

World says so .Self doubts in 68 th yr. ??

'India sent back the dead body of a young Pakistan last week a victim of extra-judicial killing '

Yes all Pak terrorits are termed innocent .So are Baby Bombers ? Innocent eh ?
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Mar 18, 2008 12:00 AM
56
Sardar Sarabjit Singh was, MR. GAJANAN, allowed due process. India sent back the dead body of a young Pakistan last week a victim of extra-judicial killing.

We are different and positively different.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Mar 18, 2008 12:00 AM
55
Sarabjit Singh to be hanged on April 1


http://www.outlookindia.../pti_news.asp?id=554288



Kaha Gaye woh log and logini.
Kaa-lam kya Ghum Gaya kya Arundhati
Likhti thi page paar page.
Aab kaha gaye woh log and logini
Bait gayi cage me.



gajanan
Sydney, Australia
Mar 18, 2008 12:00 AM
54
It is a technical glitch guys. I did a search on Indian Express and found this link where the article appears.


http://www.indianexpress.com/story/284877.html


Happy reading...
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Mar 18, 2008 12:00 AM
53
As per Khushwant Singh & Vinod Mehta all the media should be slave of the Gandhi family like them. If they are not then they are traitors.

Sad part is people still remember Rajiv & Indira in nostalgic terms as they were nationalist. But the present Gandhi has ensured India's death as a nation. And these people are still living in the past.
tracer
Delhi, India
Mar 18, 2008 12:00 AM
52
YES MR. SINGH, ITS CRUEL BUT ITS REAL, MONEY CONTROLS EVERTYHING, ITS SAD WE SAY AND TALK ABOUT "FREESPEACH", BUT I WONDER, WHERES THE WORD "FREE", EVERYTHING THAT EVENTUALLY COMES OUT CARRIES A LOT OF WEIGHT, AND WEIGHT OF MONEY, POWER, POSITION, BUT I THINK, EVENTUALLY, THE POWER OF TRUTH OVER LIE, THE IMPORTANCE OF RIGHT OVER WRONG, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF WHAT MATTERS OVER WHAT DOES NOT IS GOING TO DICTATE OUR SOCIETY. ANYWAYS, I ALWAYS LOVE READING YOUR OPINIONS, HOPE WE YOU CAN WRITE WHILE HAVE A DRINK AND VICE VERSA, CHEERS MR. SINGH, GREAT RESPECT FOR YOU BEING THEIR FOR INDIA.
AMIT
AMIT
MADISON, United States
Mar 17, 2008 12:00 AM
51
Indian Express has a regualr column by Tavleen Singh. yesterday her piece was titled "Rahul baba’s turn to discover India"
Do you know what? If Rahul Gandhi were a teenager, I think I might understand this mad quest to discover India.

Here is the main link
http://www.indianexpress.com/sunday/Op-Ed.html


adn when you click on the link you are directed to this link
http://www.indianexpres...unday/story/284877.html


but guess what, the page is empty. i ahve been trying to access this link since yesterday but without luck.
I hope tavleen ahs not criticised Rahul too much and had to be gagged.
Rajeev
Delhi, India
Mar 17, 2008 12:00 AM
50
" i ahve been trying to access this link since yesterday but without luck. "

I tried and could not find it either. I thought it was a technical glitch as the other links were working fine.

Or who knows? If Shekhar Gupta does not want to become Akbar the second, I can understand that.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Mar 17, 2008 12:00 AM
49
Mr.Kushvant, new genration is very fortunate that they did not read tout editor just like you and Girilal Jain,Padgoanker and many other buffoons who were not editor but dictators never published opposition view in their paper.You are also same boat. Internet destroyed your monolopy, now any reader can express their openion frankly.I wellcome internet boges, tomorrow all newspaper will be on internet,and they must be mutal exchange midia.
Ramesh Raghuvanshi
pune, India
Mar 17, 2008 12:00 AM
48

http://mjakbarblog.blog...03/long-onion-road.html


Please go thru it. Chote Sarkar , his ego , hurt, made MJ Akbar exit Asian Age. Shades of Sanjay Gandhi.


All the following lines from MJ Akbar's blog.
Please go thru it.


"For the Congress, the Budget is less important than the continuous reconstruction of Rahul Gandhi as a future Prime Minister. He has the privilege of dynasty, and is above conventions. One can understand a touch of nervousness in a first speech by a new MP, but after four years in the House you have to live by its rules.

A further privilege is that the dynast is placed in charge of all the good news. The bad news is left for minions to handle".


gajanan
Sydney, Australia
Mar 17, 2008 12:00 AM
47
Eminent editors and ethical publishers will do all Indians a great favor if they set up appropriate institutions to help editors and journalists resist government pressures of this sort. The public is the biggest loser when eminent and credible voices are closed out and the media is all bought out by the ruling party.
XYZ
Los Angeles, USA
Mar 17, 2008 12:00 AM
46
>>why you waste your time attempting "dialogue" with people who would have to look up the word in the dictionary and who probably got their secondary education in a third-rate secondary school in third-tier metros in India and majored in some psuedo-subject like finance or management that purchased them some upward mobility or *gasp*, an "amrikan job".

Another closet Jihadi Mullah comes out of the woodwork , to support his fidayeen friends.

But this jihadi example comes bundled with the additional package of snobbery. This new jihadi mian feels all the intellect of India is confined only to the metros and our CAIR mian applauds !!
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Mar 17, 2008 12:00 AM
45
"this forum becomes an anti-muslim one, thanks to retards (apologies to all those who are truly mentally handicapped) like Ghai, Vinod who don't have a shred of intelligence, talk about 10th century "history", treat every muslim like a terrorist, think Christian missionaries "

Anand Babu

1. Retard I am -I admit.

Any shred of intelligence is really needed to discuss with you ?

2. Hate Muslims and Christians ?? When ??

Thanks for remeberence.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Mar 17, 2008 12:00 AM
44
Thomasmid: "The Pope has spoken against you, every head of govt is troubled by your presence.Denmark has stopped further entry of muslims. Same goes for Holland."

>> Wow. Since when did the "missionary" converting pope become the moral authority for Bajrangi Thomasmid! What were you doing when your friends burnt missionaries in Orissa? I'm sure you were eager to see what the pope had to say about that too.
Anand
Santa Clara, USA
Mar 17, 2008 12:00 AM
43
It is really amazing to see how every issue on this forum becomes an anti-muslim one, thanks to retards (apologies to all those who are truly mentally handicapped) like Ghai, Vinod who don't have a shred of intelligence, talk about 10th century "history", treat every muslim like a terrorist, think christian missionaries will convert them while sleeping etc. Debating with numskulls like these makes me feel stupid, actually.

The irony is that their English isn't so bad at all. These guys are living proof that being able to speak good English cannot solve pathological, mental issues. Tssk, tssk .. one more Outlook feedback thread goes into the trash can.
Anand
Santa Clara, USA
Mar 17, 2008 12:00 AM
42
Khushwantjee , this is a global phenomenon. You have to listen to Global TV stations and Fox will fox you with rubbish news. The role played by the media during Iraq war due to proprietors , was like playing tune to his master's commandments. What has happened with the advent of TV cable channels, there is a lobby of politicians who want to control the cable TV channels , for their propaganda . Fortunately , the advent of Internet , has made some indepedent editors write crtically without bowing down to propaganda and lies. One would advice fiercely independent editors to start web sites , of course it may not reach many like the glitz and glamsham of TV, but atleast they can report facts and not propaganda.
gajanan
Sydney, Australia
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
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>>>"The hard truth about Indian journalism is that proprietors matter, editors do not; money counts, talent does not"

Sad, but true. Honest and nationistic and perspicacious individuals contributing usefully and valuably as editors of high-circulation journals, often have to bend their pens or quit their jobs or get thrown out by publishers governed by narrowly unjustified vested interests.

Philanthrophic foundations such as that of Rochefeller, Ford, Bill Gates and others, similar ones to be set up in India by Tata, Birla, Ambanis and others, should create permanent positions for 'national journalists' from those who have proved their honesty and independance with competance, over 2-3 decades, for which they will be paid decently until their own voluntary retirement, at their own will. This will be similar to the university professorships in germany and the tenure professorships in US universities. The fourth estate will then command respect and give honest appraisals of govt and oppo policies from national-good view-points without fear or favour.

Some foundations or corporates could also openly support some of these in elections to legislatures or parliament, to join parties of their preference and serve as ministers for the good of cities, states, centre. Swaminathan could be better minister for agriculture than pawar; BGVerghese or Vittal, much better as home minister than Shivraj patil; If KPSGill is made dy.minister for internal security at the centre, instead of looking after Hockey, maoists and naxalites will pack their bags and go to china, to be promptly imprisoned there.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
40
Bev,

>> but you already know their viewpoints. They're completely predictable. All they do is chant their spoon-fed slogans over and over and over and over again.

You are right. But letting them usurp this forum would give a totally false picture of India. In real India, seculars outnumber the parivaris substantially if you add up the UPA, the Left Front, the Third Front and the secular parties in NDA. You would never know that just from reading the posts in this forum.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
39
HappyRam/Minu,

>> STOP HATING HINDUS -REST WILL FOLLOW.STOP DEFENDING SABRUDINS WHO WANTED TO KILL INDIANS.

You are one of the main hate peddlers in this forum, but you will not be able to produce even one post from me that expresses hate for Hindus. You lie deliberately when you misrepresent criticism of fake encounter murders as a support for Sohrabuddin. You are probably too dense to know how hateful you are.

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
38
Ghulam: Hmm... but you already know their viewpoints. They're completely predictable. All they do is chant their spoon-fed slogans over and over and over and over again. Please tell me wtf communalism, majoritarianism and "hindu-hating" has to do with an article on editors and newspaper ownership. Nothing they say actually indicates "thought" on any deep level. Also, I think it is problematic that you accept their notion of "community" and their colonialist-derived identity politics. Anyways, to each his own..I've just been wanting to ask you this for a long time since I gave up 3 years ago while you're still on here. I still remember how these little weeners had nothing to say when slammed with comprehensive arguments and diction they couldn't possibly unravel.

Anyhow, good luck.. I feel dumber just reading the horse-sh** on here.


Bev
new york, United States
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
37
Bev,

I wonder myself why I carry on this fruitless dialogue. I know I shall not change any minds, but perhaps I just want to register the fact that other viewpoints exist, and that hate between communities should not be accepted as a permanent fixture. Thanks for your comments.

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
36
Parthasarathy wrote:

>>Newspapers have agendas. And the OWNERS will control these agendas

Political parties, especially Congress and the communists, believe in the power of propaganda, and see the media as the most effective tool to conduct that propaganda. As a result, today it is politics that runs media's agendas, rewarding good boys and girls (talking head padmasris, anyone?) while punishing the bad ones. Owners' agenda is to grow their businesses and maximize their profits. They believe that they achieve this goal by having a sort of compact with politicians, wherein the latter dictate the content in newspapers, while the former are assured freedom and growth in the business aspects of the media house. This is no different from the arrangement that the businessman and the industrialist had with the Congress during licence-quota raj. Though weakened bu economic reforms, it endures in the media business because of the propaganda value of business's 'product': information.
Narsing Gowd
Secunderabad, India
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
35
Here, for you idiots, this article was written about people like you
http://www.outlookindia...ver+Story+%28F%29&sid=1


Go read Outlook Hindi and spew your venom there.
Bev
new york, United States
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
34
Rajeev, A.K. Ghai - I love how you simply confirm my identification of your illiteracy. If you'll notice, if you're a member of outlook, you can't change hte location field, its fixed along with your email address.. and people's locations change. Either way, the fact that you both belong back in the small gaon that y'all came from and not bombay or delhi still holds. Vapas kheth jao trolls.
Bev
new york, United States
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
33
Sure proprietors say "f*** editors", but do readers give a damn? Why would they when they see editors lacking a spine and becoming highly partisan political animals? This very article by Khushwant Singh should tell us why readers share the owners' contempt for editors: Singh uses the occasion to vent bile on the Jains of Times of India, while carefully avoiding to mention the crucial fact that Akbar was sacked because he displeased the Italian-Indian by turning against his erstwhile master, the Congress party. There was a time when Asian Age sounded like the in-house publication of the Congress party, and if there ever was a good reason or opportune time to sack MJ Akbar, it was then -- for using editorship to advance the interests of a political party. I bet it suited Khushwant Singh fine then.

The sad fact about Indian media today is that it has become an appendage of political parties, especially of the Congress. That is the source of devaluation of the office of editor.
Narsing Gowd
Secunderabad, India
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
32
BEV
NEW YORK UNITED STATES

looks like it is one of Faruki's sidekick. He may have called all hands on deck.
Rajeev
Delhi, India
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
31
1. "I moved back to India and thankfully rid myself of American instilled political correctness... "

2. "BEV
NEW YORK UNITED STATES
05:37:15PM (IST)"


? ?? ?? ??
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
30
Ghulam Faruki: As an outlook reader who sometimes browses the rants section of articles, I have watched you interact on this board since 2005 or 2004 if I recall correctly. Fast forward a couple of years and you're still paying attention the to the Sanghi brainwashed trolls who frequent these pages. Why? Is it just idealism that pushes you to continually interact with these morons because its been years, and they're still spewing the same nonsense. I moved back to India and thankfully rid myself of American instilled political correctness... so I don't care how elitist I sound when I ask you why you waste your time attempting "dialogue" with people who would have to look up the word in the dictionary and who probably got their secondary education in a third-rate secondary school in third-tier metros in India and majored in some psuedo-subject like finance or management that purchased them some upward mobility or *gasp*, an "amrikan job". So now that they have silly middle-level jobs, some money and some leisure time, they feel qualified to talk about society at large even though they lack the intelligence or qualifications to understand the most basic issues. The Vinods, Ganesans and Parthasarty's are angry, partially illiterate patriachs who fall back on black and white simplicity because complexity would probably have their small brains explode into tiny pieces. They don't actually "read" any of the articles, they troll to spew their repetitive crap like proper missionaries hoping they'll convince someone to buy their pindoo, sadly informed worldviews. They're not worth your time nor anyone else's and should be consigned to invisibility until they decide they want to speak "with" people and not "at" them or until they get off the payroll of the RSS.
Bev
new york, United States
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
29
The Times Of India should be called The Crimes Of India. It's a puerile, snivelling piece of trash. Even Jug Suraiya, once readable when he stuck to his brand of humour, has devalued himself with his idiotic op-ed pieces.
Biswapriya Purkayastha
Shillong, India
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
28
Since I too am connected with journalism I can indeed feel the pain of Khushwant Singh and Akbar. Jains with pots of money have made Times of India is a glorified, high-class prostitute. Not only here editors are fucked the journalists too. It's one Hell of a brothel house.
And for Akbar, it is the Congress Party syndrome that only accommodates cringing sycophants like Digvijay Singh. I once puked when I saw a cringing Digvijay Singh who ironically was once a CM of a huge state.
shakeel
hyderabad, India
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
27
Vinod,

>> Your congress has the history of decimating people who do not kneel before them.

Are you offering that as proof in support of your thesis that Sonia is responsible for M.J.Akbar losing his job? Why don't you admit that you have no proof yet?

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
26
A perfect article.

Sometimes, the editors like N.Ram of The Hindu, manipulate the news and information for their political agenda. He did get the "Sinhala Ratna" award for being a lacky of the sinhalese government.
Koman Vijay
stillwater, USA
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
25
Vinod,

>> Dont forget that Akbar was once a card holder congressman.

Is that proof that Sonia is involved in his being fired from Asian Age?

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
24
>> When questioned about the project and intentions of MMS, you accuse me of being immoderate. When asked for details, you are not willing to explain.


You are making all this up, you idiot. You called me a Sonia Bakht, and I said, "Ridiculing your immoderate attacks on Sonia and MMS does not make me a bakht!" Obviously I was referring to your usual attacks on them, not about any project or intentions. Go back to the thread and check.

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
23
"have I suddenly become a spokesman for MMS? "

When questioned about the project and intentions of MMS, you accuse me of being immoderate. When asked for details, you are not willing to explain. But you sit on judgement about what others should or should not say. What an absolute moron you are!!

Arguments mean more than calling others immoderate and hate mongers. You DONT HAVE A SINGLE ARGUMENT TO SUPPORT MMS. BUT GET ANGRY WHEN WE CRITICIZE HIM. GET A KOOL AID AND GO TO SLEEP. GOOD NIGHT.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
22
>> WOuld you kindly enlighten ninnyhammers like me....

Just because I said let us wait and see how the farmers' package pans out, have I suddenly become a spokesman for MMS?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
21
"Too early to tell how it will play out."

The financial wizard Manmohan Singh went to Vidarbha in late june 2006 and announced a 3700 crore package. WOuld you kindly enlighten ninnyhammers like me as to what happened to that scheme? Because according to Outlook, that scheme has not done anything.

You can enlighten us lowly people.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
20
Vinod,

>> M.J.Akbar's unceremonious exit cannot be without a reason.

Is that proof?

>> Hiw you can modernize the Mualims.

There are many currents and countercurrents in the Muslim world today than can be fathomed by the chanters of simplistic cliches like you and Bagai.

>> 'victim hood' syndrome.

This was a Muslim problem, but now it has become the sangh parivar's problem.

>> The one India' call makes the fanatics rattle.

A totally meaningless statement.

>> in a democracy free speech does not come free.It comes with a responsibility too.

Tell that to the hatemongers in this forum.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
19
>> An example for what would be a moderate attack would be your attacks on the sangh parivar.

Correct, except for my attacks on Modi, Vanzara and Bajrangbabu, and for good reason.

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
18
"Something you do not practice"

Yes. I realize it now. An example for what would be a moderate attack would be your attacks on the sangh parivar. very moderate and very balanced. Poor me!! I can never learn such moderation.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
17
>> What would be called a moderate attack?

Something you do not practice. BTW, it seems Sonia's role in the Akbar matter is just gossip, as far as I can judge.

>> I already showed how it has played out.

Too early to tell how it will play out.

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
16
"What do the farmers say about it? Let us see how it plays out before jumping with joy shouting, "Scam! Scam!" "

For your info, I already showed how it has played out. In this very issue, there is an article on Vidarbha. Please see my comments for the same.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
15
"I do not like it, but it is nothing that would call for any immoderate attacks."

What would be called a moderate attack?
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
14
Ganesan,

>> What do you think about the role of Sonia in the Akbar episode?

I do not like it, but it is nothing that would call for any immoderate attacks.

>> what do you think about the scam called the 60000 crore farmer's loan?

What do the farmers say about it? Let us see how it plays out before jumping with joy shouting, "Scam! Scam!"
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
13
serves u right old man for slavishly and spinelessly sucking Indira gandhi's slit during emergency..
Rahul
Delhi, India
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
12
"Did you learn pigeonholing people from Fox Television? "

I learnt it from Chomsky, Arundhati Roy, the New York Times columnists.............. I stole the trick while they were not watching.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
11
Kushwant Singh: Stop being full of yourself.
Outlook: Stop being his mouthpiece
Mathang Seshagiri
Bangalore, India
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
10
"Ridiculing your immoderate attacks on Sonia and MMS does not make me a bakht!"

Oh really! Tell me. What do you think about the role of Sonia in the Akbar episode?

And for MMS, what do you think about the scam called the 60000 crore farmer's loan? You yourself admitted that you dont know where the money is going to come from. And nobody knows either. What do you think about MMS who perpetuates such tricks?
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
9
As usual Faruki appears to live in his own la la land. When the top Congress dispensation under the umbrella of Sonia Gandhi have been throwing themselves at crumbs offered by US, M J Akbar has consistently been anti America. M J Akbar has vehemently opposed the proposed India-US nuclear deal a pet theme of Sonia Gandhi and MMS. It is time Vinod Mehta puts his acts togethere and has all bases covered. Who knows what is going to happen in the future.

But it is hilarious to read Khushwant Singh taking cudgels on M. J. Akbar's behalf when he was one of those editors who agreed to crawl when asked to bend during the emergency.
Rajeev
Delhi, India
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
8
Ganesan,

>> Sonia bakth faruki ...

Did you learn pigeonholing people from Fox Television? Ridiculing your immoderate attacks on Sonia and MMS does not make me a bakht!

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
7
"Constructive criticism of the ruling party came not from the opposition political parties but from the free press edited by able, responsible men."

During the emergency, two men displayed courage-Ramnath Goenka and Cho Ramaswamy. The rest crawled before Indira Gandhi when asked to bend. You editors showed a total lack of spine during those days. What right you have to criticize the owners?
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
6
Unlike MJ Akbar, at least Vinod Mehta should never have any such problem, considering the Sonia brown nosing one reads and hears about all the time.
Ajit Tendulkar
Seattle, United States
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
5
"Besides these unique qualities it also published articles by writers critical of the government and the ruling party. It was probably this aspect of the journal that irked Akbar's latest partner in the venture; he had political ambitions of his own and wished to stay on the right side of the government"

Who are those in the govt and the ruling party? I am sure it is not Soniamma. She is an epitome of democracy. She will never hit anyone for being critical of her. Will she?
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM
4
Faruki:
" Rupert Murdoch's take overs of a large number of important newspaers (e.g. New York's "The Wall Street Journ......"

Akbar was booted out because of pressure from Sonia Gandhi. The Sonia bakth faruki instead launches a tirade against Rupert Murdoch!! I mean, he might be Satan incarnate but I guess in this instance a mild, very mild criticism may be in order.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Mar 15, 2008 12:00 AM
3
M.J.Akbar's departure from Asian Age is very regrettable and another blow to independent journalism in India. Khushwant Singh's plaint will not get the attention it deserves. Rupert Murdoch's take overs of a large number of important newspaers (e.g. New York's "The Wall Street Journal" and London's "The Times") and television networks is worrisome. The unhealthy effects can already be seen in the grotesquely slanted reporting and editing of Fox Television.

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Mar 15, 2008 12:00 AM
2
I find it ironical that Outlook, of all publications, should publish this article, given that you have gladly participated in the loss of freedom of the English language presss in India with such enthusiasm. The loss of freedom does not only come with money hungry proprietors and with censors; it also comes with journalists who no longer find it in their interest to report the truth. You, Mr Mehta, you who were so independent as an editor of the Indian Post, the best newspaper in India until the Asian Age, you have become a favourite of she who must be obeyed by highlighting all that is wrong with the BJP and ignoring all that is wrong with the Congress and it's allies. There is never any mention of Bofors or the previously much discussed Swiss bank accounts that were such common knowledge earlier. Where is your shame?
Nayanika Barat
Toowoomba, Australia
Mar 15, 2008 12:00 AM
1
And what better illustrates the outburst of KS than the fact that the TOI Editorial pages have reduced (marginalised?) the emphatic I to a whimpering iota of an "i"?
Harsh Rai Puri
Bhopal, India
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