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Cover story: bangalore
Raiders Lost The Arc
Old Bangaloreans rage against the new IT bratpack, blaming them for all that's gone wrong with the city
Opinion
IT squeezed Bangalore dry, hasn't given anything in return. The signs are worrying.
C.N.R. Rao
opinion
The tech story is still promising, all it needs to do is communicate better
Subroto Bagchi
Techies Are Blamed For
  • Land-grabbing, zooming property and rental rates, the rising cost of living
  • Creating traffic jams, pollution, encroachments
  • Turning 'garden city' into 'garbage city', pensioner's paradise to 'suicide capital'
  • Devaluing other professions
  • Destroying intellectual and artistic culture
  • Introducing a culture of conspicuous consumption in malls and bars

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Techies Complain
  • City's problems caused by poor urban planning and management
  • Of increasingly becoming target of crime and assault
  • Of being insulted routinely, cheated, and overcharged by the locals

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"Bangalore, a city whose soul has been clinically removed in the name of corporate efficiency.... Everything about the host culture has been watered down, Westernised, or otherwise screwed up...."
Author and actor Adam Russ is not the only one to have directed his caustic ire at Bangalore in the anti-traveller companion he called 101 Places Not to Visit: Your Essential Guide to the World's Most Miserable, Ugly, Boring and Inbred Destinations. But while he named no names, Bangaloreans themselves have found the villains of this piece: those magnificent men with their modern machines, the IT professionals.

A class of people that just the other day was being congratulated for putting the city and the state on the international map, for generating loads of employment, and for making millionaires out of ordinary men, is now increasingly being accused of turning the garden city into garbage city, a pensioner's paradise into the suicide capital.


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The world's most celebrated IT city is now considering that privilege to be a curse. Infosys and Wipro are no longer considered gateways to heaven, but more as roads to hell. When Infosys's Narayana Murthy was charged with showing 'disrespect' to the national anthem, there was a glaring absence of sympathy for the IT czar in the public domain, whereas earlier there would have been a tidal wave of support. Likewise for Wipro, when it was charged by a government panel of encroaching upon Bellandur lake to build its guest house. Another time, when the state government proposed to set up an education training and management institute with the Azim Premji Foundation, there was a letter campaign against it. There is now a perceptible change in the way the public in Bangalore looks at Murthy and Premji, the two most revered symbols of its IT industry—that they're no different from other businessmen who merely make profits for their company and their shareholders.

Evidence of Bangalore's total disenchantment with all things infotech came also at the Karnataka state awards this year. In the list of 51 eminent people chosen for the awards, there were professors, artistes, doctors, lawyers, businessmen and scientists, but—unlike in the past few years—no one from the IT domain. Attend a wedding, a birthday party, or a housewarming ceremony in Bangalore these days, and chances are that the conversation will inevitably veer around to IT-bashing.

 
 
Since 2004, there have been 643 cases of crimes against IT people under various sections of the IPC.
 
 
This tendency to lapse into IT-bashing turned literal when five IT professionals out on a post-dinner stroll around their home in the ITPL area were abused and beaten up without provocation about a month ago. The assailants didn't rob them, just kept hitting them saying, 'you IT guys'. Joint commissioner (crime) Gopal Hosur points to nearly 643 cases of crime against IT folk under various sections of the ipc since 2004 in the city.


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Many prominent Bangaloreans admit to this rising antipathy against the techie. "There is certainly a growing sense of alienation, of resentment, among people from the non-IT professional class," says Ramesh Ramanathan, a former top executive at Citibank and founder of civic initiative Janaagraha. "The resentment against IT people unfortunately includes those in the government too," adds Ravichander, former member of the now-defunct Bangalore Agenda Task Force (BATF), which was chaired by Infosys boss Nandan Nilekani.

One of the major charges against the IT class is that it is responsible for pushing up land prices in and around Bangalore. Building a house on a 30x40 plot was always a middle-class dream. The IT influx has now rendered it unaffordable. Dr Solly Benjamin, an urban expert who has advised the World Bank and UNDP, enumerates the kinds of fear that now haunt the traditional middle class: "The fear of not being able to register your small plot, the fear of being forced to pay huge amounts for water, and worse, fear of your land being acquired for an IT corridor." Not to forget land acquisitions happening for the Metro rail, the six-lane highway leading to the new international airport and for the many new ring and other roads.

Not only have rental rates zoomed in Bangalore, flats too are now priced keeping IT salaries in mind.

 
 
IT pros and 'their cars', Bangaloreans feel, have jolted the city's serene construct.
 
 
Jackbastian Nazareth, executive director of Sobha Developers, one of the biggest builders in the city, says that about 60 per cent of the houses they build are picked up by IT people. Another big builder, Mantri Developers, too lets on that more than 40 per cent of their houses are bought by the young techie crowd.

Blaming them for the overall rise in the cost of living in Bangalore, old Bangaloreans also gripe that IT-wallahs get preferential treatment in banks, hotels, malls or holiday packages. To them, it seems, as though everything in their old, familiar city is suddenly being structured to meet the demands of the techies.


Conspicuous, all-consuming: Neon-lit Brigade Road

It is unfair, they say, that the very people who have 'messed up' the city should be pandered to. The coming of IT professionals and the flooding of streets with 'their cars', they feel, has badly jolted the serene construct of a city that in the minds of the traditional middle class took decades to build.

 
 
"Bangalore is no longer safe for the old and the very young," says U.R. Ananthamurthy.
 
 
Tree-lined avenues are now a thing of the past, because they have made way for roads being broadened to accommodate the city's growing traffic. The commute between home and office is going the Mumbai way. In fact, that is exactly what Bangaloreans fear: that Bangalore is fast becoming, or has already become, another Mumbai.

The physical assault apart, the middle class also thinks the techies have upturned their moral cosmos, their language and culture. Bars and restaurants, they feel, proliferated ever since they came to town. More and more people eat out and consume alcohol, making a mockery of the traditional thrift of the middle class. Last New Year's eve, the offtake of rum, whisky, wine, beer (what the excise department terms as Indian-made foreign liquor) from the excise department's bonded warehouse in Bangalore alone was to the tune of Rs 15 crore. This from Bangalore alone; the rest of the state accounted for Rs 10 crore. "From a culture of simple living to a culture of conspicuous consumption, the city has been transformed," remarks former ambassador to UNESCO and the state's top bureaucrat Chiranjiv Singh.

Socially as well, Bangalore's traditional middle class feels upstaged by the IT bratpack. Till the last arrived, they were the kings. Huge in numbers, drawn from the dozen-or-so public sector units, the thousands of educational institutions, or part of the large communities of doctors, lawyers and government officials, the old middle class dominated Bangalore for decades.
 
 
The claim that 12-15% of the 60 lakh population lives off IT is seen as gross exaggeration.
 
 
When the IT revolution hit Bangalore, some of their successive generations did jump on to the IT bandwagon, but a huge chunk largely remained excluded from the tech boom.


Distant shore: An IT park in the city

The attention lavished on IT, goes the feeling, diminished the dignity of every other profession (see column by C. N.R. Rao, pg 108). Often it manifests itself within a single family, where one of the sons or daughters has taken up an IT job and the other is an officer in the government or a professor in a college. Though level on aspiration, the disparity in incomes creates potential conflict situations.

Even in the marriage market, parents prefer an IT groom than a government-employed boy for their daughter. "IT grooms are regarded as hotter than anybody else. I have a personal experience," says PR professional V. Anand. Adds Chiranjiv Singh, "Two friends who were looking for matches for their daughters told me they did not want IT grooms for different reasons. One talked of the unconventional morals of IT boys and others said highly-paid IT boys were often from family backgrounds that did not match their salary levels." But, he goes on to nuance the argument, "This snobbery is paradoxical. What is not desirable in a son-in-law is desirable in a son."

To the earlier dividing lines of the city and the cantonment, the native and the colonial, the courtly and the democratic, says Chiranjiv Singh, has been added one of the IT people and the non-IT people. It's reflected in various ways, including in language. The renaming of Bangalore to Bengaluru was largely a reaction to English becoming the preferred lingua franca over Kannada.


Choked road: A traffic jam near Electronic City

Kannada writer U.R. Ananthamurthy has an almost elegaic strand to his lament on the state of Bangalore. "Bangalore is no longer a safe and comfortable city for children and old people," he says. "It is almost impossible to cross the roads. When you build a city, you must think of the old and the very young. It cannot be a city only for the youth. The city has no sense of itself any longer. The older professionals are rooted in the city. The new professionals are not rooted and they do not feel like putting down roots here because there are so many uncertainties. The IT people suffer from an illusion that they are doing well in life and doing good for the city."

The question Bangaloreans are increasingly asking is: should we allow a tiny population of IT professionals, who make 'exaggerated' claims about their number and contribution, to control the city? The city's population is well over 60 lakh now, the claim is people who directly benefit out of the IT industry is about 12 to 15 per cent of the population. But, maintains Dr Solly Benjamin, "The formal IT types are over-represented in the way data is counted. There is enough official data to show that the southwest and northwest part of the city constitute the major employment economy, but these areas have less than a third of the infrastructure. The point is that Bangalore is also Sivajinagar, City Market area, Magadi Road and Mysore Road."

Dr Lalitha Kamath of urban policy body Cassum elaborates: "The IT sector accounts for only a small part of the economy and employment. Yet it dominates in terms of media coverage, in preferential government policies, in the imaginations of people as contributing to a world-class city."

So much for the prosecution's case. Prof A.R. Vasavi of the city's National Institute for Advanced Studies sets up a few arguments for the defence of the much-maligned IT janata. "IT people should also be seen as victims of the larger global industry that extorts their labour on the basis of time and cost differences," he says. "In addition, the poor infrastructure and competitive work contexts add pressures to their daily and general work and social lives. Their lives are hard and they're paying for it with high stress levels. The unfortunate part is that despite the anticipated boom, the city continues to lack effective management."

The techies themselves complain—and perhaps with some justification—that the city's shopkeepers and vendors routinely rip them off and overcharge them. Endorsement of this comes from none other than Infosys Foundation chairperson Sudha Murthy who in an autobiographical essay titled 'The IT Divide' recounts a telling episode of how she watched an IT executive wearing a shirt with his company logo being charged 30 per cent more than others for fruit and flowers. When she remonstrated with the vendor, he shot back, "You keep quiet. Can't you see he works for a software company? They can afford any price and don't bargain." It's a typical example of the kind of daily aggravation IT professionals face in Bangalore.

Why, then, are they so misunderstood? Says Subroto Bagchi, coo of MindTree Consulting (see column): "The geeks have failed to communicate. They have remained isolated from the larger social system." Ramesh Ramanathan too agrees that IT people have been sticking to their "insulated communities" both professionally and culturally. "It's very important that they discover the other facets of the city, and make an attempt to get absorbed into it," he says. Should they succeed at this, Adam Russ, hopefully, will have to eat his words.

Opinion
IT squeezed Bangalore dry, hasn't given anything in return. The signs are worrying.
C.N.R. Rao
opinion
The tech story is still promising, all it needs to do is communicate better
Subroto Bagchi
 
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HAVE YOUR SAY
Jan 19, 2008 12:00 AM
43
Your story describing genaration gap between two genration. One thing is very clear IT.walls think themself superior than other fellow. thatone is Indian psyche.They treat others as a inferior, and donot care social responsibility.Really speaking their are cyber cooles.by luck this business turn to India,
Ramesh Raghuvanshi
pune, India
Dec 15, 2007 12:00 AM
42
Bangalore,my home town , doesn feel like my home anymore..this article is just voicing what i and my parents;and many families like us feel about the current state of bang.a wonderful cover story... true it was a paradise and now its hell .Currently put up in mumbai,i feel i lost a home from the new changed look of bang .Globalization,IT centers ,malls , pubs whatever be the reason , its choked the city. i don care what the reason is but the truth is ill never get to see the Beautiful Paradise Bangalore was once upon a time...
archana
mumbai, India
Dec 14, 2007 12:00 AM
41
While IT companies have the 'bestest' grooms and brides on show, they also have the highest 'divorce' rates - a direct result of women empowerment, surely?

One of the IT companies ( ? Infosys ) on OMR has 'automatic condom vending machines' in one of their toilets after some of their workers started getting pregnant after doing night shifts!

Surely, they are a fulcrum of revolution in many senses.
Parthasarathy B
Chennai, India
Dec 14, 2007 12:00 AM
40
@Augustus,

I think this has less to do with globalization and a lot more to do with the utter lack of planning and foresight on the part of India's city planners and government officials.
Anand
Santa Clara, USA
Dec 14, 2007 12:00 AM
39
*This was a promising article that nevertheless misses the essential dynamic: full implications of globalization.
Augustus aaa
Pune, India
Dec 13, 2007 12:00 AM
38
Bangalore was a city that had no plans for development - the IT boom came all too soon, fueled by the Y2K problem. And now city planners are struggling to contain it. Growth without planning leads to crime, infrastructure breakdowns etc. There's no escaping that.

One can't help feeling sorry for the earlier citizens of Bangalore who have seen their once quiet city turned upside down.
Anand
Santa Clara, USA
Dec 13, 2007 12:00 AM
37
I visited Bangalore recently, after a gap of 10 years. For, people like me from Chennai, Bangalore used to be a well planned city with wide roads and pleasant weather all through the year. It used to be refreshingly fresh air all through the year but now it’s polluted and dusty.. What used to be a garden city now it’s a garbage city, looks like a war ravaged city .. We used to joke, with a bicycle one can go around the city ironically now, only with help of a bicycle, you assured of reaching your destination, in time. Haphazard construction, traffic jams, road bullies and worse many projects are in limbo.
Bangalore has grown beyond any planning. No amount of planning could bring back the garden city.

Only way is introduce public transport and ban all personal mode of transport.

You cannot blame IT for the pub culture, Bangalore was always known for pubs and discotheques. Realty was always expensive compared to other cities. What IT has done to other profession is all there in all over the country or atleast in the South. There is no way, a bank clerk, a teacher or a government staff can own a house inside, any of Southern cities.
sivakumar
chennai, india
Dec 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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>>10-20 months deposit to rent a home.

Norm is 10 months even now. So ?

>>Pharmacies would be open 10.30am-12.00pm close for lunch and open up again 3.00pm

Retailing has changed for good all over India. Even in cities with absolutely no IT , you will see this change. 24 hour pharmacies have been around for a long long time.

>>Riots in Bangalore city because Doordarshan announced a 10 minute urdu news

there were riots recently by muslims in Bangalore recently as well, much after IT. reason - hanging of Saddam or dfanish cartoons. So what is your point?

>> Now that they have to pay up to buy land it gets them hassled. Serves them right.

Similarly , shouldnt the big corporates pay the market value of land , instead of greasing palms of politicians to get it cheap? More so as they are firm believers in free market economy.

>>Wasnt it locals who stopped a construction of a high speed 4 lane freeway to Mysore?

There is already a very good 4 lane highway to Mysore , recently constructed by the government.

>>Did not the IT industry say they will invest all the money for a elevated freeway on the existing road to White field and was rejected by the govt.?

Who said ? where ? when ? any links ?
Shankar
Bangalore, India
Dec 13, 2007 12:00 AM
35
In addition to my previous comment. I would suggest that a 10 km by 10 km area about 40 km from the city(borders) be made available(at market rates)and only Sky scrapers for offices and 12storied apartments be allowed. Let the new City pay for a highspeed link of road and train to heart of bangalore. Make a law that no IT company with more than 50 employes should exist in bangalore in 5 years time.
this will be a win-win for all sides. Over a period of time all facilities, hospitalss, Schools, Colleges, shopping etc will be available in the new city which will be walk able and allow no private vehicles in the new city. Only electric busses and small commuter 4 should ply on the roads. Let the labor, workers come from bangalore courtesy subsidised busses paid for by the new city(aka IT businesses).
Seriously we need to make at least 10 such cities from scratch and connect them with major metros and with each other. With economic development we may put as much as 10% of our population (upwards of 10 crores)into urban jobs there is no way older cities can cope with this kind of numbers.
gcrvijay
Austin, United States
Dec 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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Lets see old Bangalore before IT.
10-20 months deposit to rent a home. Often this would not be returned.
Pharmacies would be open 10.30am-12.00pm close for lunch and open up again 3.00pm and close for the day at 7.00pm
I remember one resturant near Sankey Tank close for lunch 2pm-3pm(no this is not a joke)
Shoe shops in Brigade rd and Commercial street would turn up their nose if you asked to buy shoe laces(Seriously, belive me it left me baffled)
Riots in Bangalore city because Doordarshan announced a 10 minute urdu news where there were no urdu programmes at all in Bangalore.
While banglore natives took 10-20 months deposit for renting an home they were quite cool with it. Now that they have to pay up to buy land it gets them hassled. Serves them right.
They want a speed breaker every 200 feet even on main roads. Why complain about traffic.
Wasnt it locals who stopped a construction of a high speed 4 lane freeway to Mysore?
such a Highway would have meant fast travel outside of bangalore and many of present day companies would have moved to cheaper land if they could have highspeed roads leading out of Bangalore.
How much time it has taken to finalise the New Airport. What was suppossed to be a high speed six lane highway to the airport is now watered down to a slower and much smaller road for most parts.
Did not the IT industry say they will invest all the money for a elevated freeway on the existing road to White field and was rejected by the govt.
Why blame IT now.
gcrvijay
Austin, United States
Dec 12, 2007 12:00 AM
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Issues are being mixed here.

I don't think corporate leaders make claims of being social leaders. Why draw unfair parallels then? Corporate leaders are doing a good job of raising their sectors in India to Global standards. That is their core competency and should be given due credit for that. Our politicians are expected to be more of social leaders. They are the ones who need to have the potential to draw on talent in the state/country for the execution of improvement plans. The corporates do their bit towards charity and generating employment. It is up to the governing bodies to take a firm stand on where to draw the line, in policy making such that there is a balance between social and economic interests.


http://ashkumaresh.blogspot.com
Aishwarya Kumaresh
Bangalore, India
Dec 12, 2007 12:00 AM
32

http://searchingforlaugh.blogspot.com/


The Nobel Prize-winning economist and social scientist Herbert Simon estimated that “social capital” is responsible for at least 90 percent of what people earn in wealthy societies like those of the United States or northwestern Europe. By social capital Simon meant not only natural resources but, more important, the technology and organizational skills in the community, and the presence of good government.

Bangalore as an island can be surely compared to developed nations in many ways. In Bangalore's case, even if we discount "good government" from above equation fully, we are still left with a hefty percentage figure, upward of 50%.

Then, let us ask how much IT industry, its leaders and their wives are giving back to the community?

To be fair, Narayana Murthy has always said he is running business first. That's what HLL chairman Ashok Ganguly used to say in HLL's heydays. Likes of Murthy and Ganguly deploy every trick in their book to get the best talent available and shape government policies to benefit their companies. It's stupid us who think they are Baba Amte or Anna Hazare. They aren't.
aniruddha g kulkarni
Pune, India
Dec 11, 2007 12:00 AM
31
*To put it plainly, globalization of ideas changes how the young look at the world, the old and the world of the old.
Augustus aaa
Pune, India
Dec 11, 2007 12:00 AM
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I agree the problems cited in present day Bangalore do exist, but don't quite agree with the reason.
Putting it one long line, Bangalore is on the verge of becoming a true metro and in a confused reaction to its teething problem, is blaming poor "techies" who probably are just the easiest victims for leading seemingly ostentatious lives and not finding time for anything else.

Employment:
The lure of the IT industry is not exactly an evil plot to pull down the other sectors or make their employees look bad. The IT industry is doing well globally and its natural for its effect to be felt globally, including in Bangalore. The IT industry is among the best paying industries, across the country and not JUST in Bangalore. Thus to blame the employees of a particular industry for reaping the fruits of that industry's progress,seems a bit far fetched. It may be better if the other industries felt inspired to match these standards rather than envy them.

Local Culture:
In the present day every metro is a heterogeneous mix of people and cultures. Resisting influx of outsiders is analogous to the economic condition of resisting free international trade. Most large metros today in India and abroad are an amalgamation of cultures, of people and lifestyles, taking it all in their their stride, at the same time never losing their own identity. It is up to us locals to embrace the outsiders, yet keep the spirit of the city going strong enough for others to want to adopt it. In fact I have seen non Bangaloreans coping with local hostility and misbehavior for not being able to speak in Kannada. I don't think that is Bangalore's true culture. This almost amounts to racial discrimination. It seems incorrect to blame a certain community for natural changes that all cities face in their life cycle.

Traffic and Realty prices:
Again, the city is a premature metro and needs proper planning to accommodate people and the infrastructure(or lack of it). I think the real issue is negligent planning of roads, residential and commercial properties and not adhering to rules most of the time with regard to construction and acquisitions.The price of property is bound to soar because of the demand supply imbalance in the city. Again small space, many people, lack of planning. This problem is not specific to this city. It is just the invisible hand of the market dynamics and the techies are merely an instrument not the cause. Bangalore traffic can be compared to Mumbai's only in terms of its magnitude! The efficiency of public transport in Mumbai definitely scores over Bangalore's. The traffic discipline is better too. Most of the clutter and rule violation is by the two wheelers. Thus pointing fingers at "techies in their cars" again is unnecessary ire.
The solution would be for all citizens of Bangalore to co-operate with the authorities in following rules and regulations, track the progress they make in city planning initiatives and be active participants.

Bangalore and we Bangaloreans can either choose to be a closed economy which is impossible or prepare to take the bull by its horns. Growth is inevitable and so is it for a developing city to face associated problems at the socio economic levels. In a matter of time the city should find ways of coping with it and we the citizens need to adapt and support, not find scapegoats to point fingers at.
In the meanwhile I think we should give the poor techies a break, life is hard enough for them without having to bear the unwarranted blame of ruining an entire city!
Aishwarya Kumaresh
Bangalore, India
Dec 11, 2007 12:00 AM
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I agree the problems cited in present day Bangalore do exist, but don't quite agree with the reason.
Putting it one long line, Bangalore is on the verge of becoming a true metro and in a confused reaction to its teething problem, is blaming poor "techies" who probably are just the easiest victims for leading seemingly ostentatious lives and not finding time for anything else.

Employment:
The lure of the IT industry is not exactly an evil plot to pull down the other sectors or make their employees look bad. The IT industry is doing well globally and its natural for its effect to be felt globally, including in Bangalore. The IT industry is among the best paying industries, across the country and not JUST in Bangalore. Thus to blame the employees of a particular industry for reaping the fruits of that industry's progress,seems a bit far fetched. It may be better if the other industries felt inspired to match these standards rather than envy them.

Local Culture:
In the present day every metro is a heterogeneous mix of people and cultures. Resisting influx of outsiders is analogous to the economic condition of resisting free international trade. Most large metros today in India and abroad are an amalgamation of cultures, of people and lifestyles, taking it all in their their stride, at the same time never losing their own identity. It is up to us locals to embrace the outsiders, yet keep the spirit of the city going strong enough for others to want to adopt it. In fact I have seen non Bangaloreans coping with local hostility and misbehavior for not being able to speak in Kannada. I don't think that is Bangalore's true culture. This almost amounts to racial discrimination. It seems incorrect to blame a certain community for natural changes that all cities face in their life cycle.

Traffic and Realty prices:
Again, the city is a premature metro and needs proper planning to accommodate people and the infrastructure(or lack of it). I think the real issue is negligent planning of roads, residential and commercial properties and not adhering to rules most of the time with regard to construction and acquisitions.The price of property is bound to soar because of the demand supply imbalance in the city. Again small space, many people, lack of planning. This problem is not specific to this city. It is just the invisible hand of the market dynamics and the techies are merely an instrument not the cause. Bangalore traffic can be compared to Mumbai's only in terms of its magnitude! The efficiency of public transport in Mumbai definitely scores over Bangalore's. The traffic discipline is better too. Most of the clutter and rule violation is by the two wheelers. Thus pointing fingers at "techies in their cars" again is unnecessary ire.
The solution would be for all citizens of Bangalore to co-operate with the authorities in following rules and regulations, track the progress they make in city planning initiatives and be active participants.

Bangalore and we Bangaloreans can either choose to be a closed economy which is impossible or prepare to take the bull by its horns. Growth is inevitable and so is it for a developing city to face associated problems at the socio economic levels. In a matter of time the city should find ways of coping with it and we the citizens need to adapt and support, not find scapegoats to point fingers at.
In the meanwhile I think we should give the poor techies a break, life is hard enough for them without having to bear the unwarranted blame of ruining an entire city!
Aishwarya Kumaresh
Bangalore, India
Dec 11, 2007 12:00 AM
28
This was a promising article that nevertheless fails to miss the essential dynamic: full implications of globalization. It is more than simply new wealth from global commerce. It also means new attitudes and values from global ideas. Bangalore feels the effect of the new wealth and values more acutely because it is synonymous with Information Technology. Consequently, the deeper anxieties over globalization of ideas are laid at the feet of IT. When in reality Bangalore is just as poorly planned and administered as any other city in the country.

The article reports that there is a noticeable cooling of ardor towards IT. More than that, it has become everyone’s piñata. Leading the way to bash it are government bureaucrats. After all, the bureaucrats, who bribed their way into current jobs and who excelled at the sycophantic arts with superiors and who practiced endlessly in mirror their officious glances, are wondering about their investment of money and self-respect. When a youngster who could barely grow a beard whizzes past them on the road and in the bank account, it hurts them in their most vulnerable part, their pride.

Next on the list is the traditional middle-class, the politically correct term for caste Hindus. Ostensibly, the price of land is being bid up and kept out of reach of most of them. Never familiar with supply and demand, the middle class fears not registering their plots, paying extortionist sums for water and potentially having their plots taken away for a public project. The same middle-class, who cited slogans of progress when the poor were dislocated for the Narmada Dam project, objects to the same governmental power! The traditional middle class, now being upstaged by IT crowd, doesn’t like giving up its primacy. But more than that, it doesn't like losing how they always understood themselves and how their world supposedly always worked. The world no longer works in the way they are used to. The moaning we hear is the result of that chaos and confusion.

Whoever else is on the list, they will eventually converge on one common point: the globalization of ideas. Initially, those who could did jump aboard the Get Rich Quick Express lest they are left behind at the Poor Station. Now, as the train is on its way, it is becoming clear that the train will carry the country past the destination they want it to stop; a place of quick riches for a nimble few but which leaves “eternal” India unchanged.

To put it plainly, globalization of ideas changes how the young who look at the world, the old and the world of the old. Globalization challenges the old moral cosmos, language and culture. In short, it changes how they perceive and understand themselves. So it will change how they live.

The IT denizens pick up a slew of new attitudes while working for global companies that provide them with global salaries that afford global amenities: Get to the problem quickly; Get to the point quickly; Don’t beat around the bush; Cut out non-value adding steps; Take initiative; Find solutions; Implement quickly; Question authority; Question assumptions; Think in novel ways; Don’t accept excuses; Get the job done etc.

These attitudes are antithetical to “eternal” India and will not stay just inside the IT parks. The restaurant next door serves lousy food or has a lousy ambiance. It dies. The owner who knows nothing else is left with a boiling cauldron of resentment. “In the old days, people were happy with what I cooked. They really didn’t ask about ambiance. I don’t even know what this ambiance is” he will mutter. From small things to big, everything is challenged including all assumptions. Only those ideas and traditions that can rationally defend themselves and serve useful purpose will preserve their authority. The rest will be swept away.

No wonder the old duffers are in a tizzy!
Augustus aaa
Pune, India
Dec 11, 2007 12:00 AM
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I fully agree with your story. In fact I can say it is a rather subdued one. These IT guys have willingly allowed themselves to be drawn away from the down to earth or rather the middle class background that they themselves were, once upon a time, part of . They have become very narrow minded in their approach. They make it a point to flaunt their filth unmindful of the fact that it hurts those have nots or the ones who could never be part of this IT generation. It is the elderly who have seen their kids growing and turning out to be one of those brash & heartless IT geek and they are the ones who are just unable to fathom this whole turn of events. This is a kind of COMMUNICATION divide among the old & the new generation. It is a pity that within a span 10-12 years a place called Bangalore - oh! sorry, Bengalooru, a place I deeply love has . virtually been destroyed. Its soul is no more here. Alas it makes no sense in humbly wishing it to "REST IN PEACE".
ramakrishna
hyderabad, India
Dec 11, 2007 12:00 AM
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Bangaluruans may just get their wish yet, what with a corrupt, inept, and incompetent city runnung the city into the mud - they've allolwed the city to degenerate into something more akin to a slum than a 'garden city'. Soon the IT industry will voluntarily depart from the city to more friendly digs, leaving it to those morally superior folks who so despised the IT industry, it's IT-brats and their immorally reprehensible spendthrift ways, and more especially, their fun-loving hard-living un-Indian ways.
And everyone will be happy once more and there'll be dancin in the streets and giving of sweets, as the old 'middle-class will once again reclaim their cherished 'place' in this city's social heirarchy. Who needs IT? Not Bangaluru, surely.
Bodh
Springfield, United States
Dec 11, 2007 12:00 AM
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Augustus aaa
Pune, India
Dec 11, 2007 12:00 AM
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>>"Prof CNR Rao's ire against IT industry is quite justified"

At best, Mr Rao calls attention to a number of questions and issues that long-time Bangaloreans have. These do need to be addressed, no doubt.
However, he provides no answers and indulges in populist rhetoric.

>>"Skyrocketing rentals and house prices" - yes, this is a problem exacerbated by the fact that Bangalore, traditionally, has far fewer apartments and hence lower housing density. Apartments, which could - to an extent - alleviate the problem are themselves seen as very ugly and an un-Bangalorean response to the housing problem. Whether to live in apartments or independent houses is, of course, a matter of personal preference and apartments don't come that cheap either. But the side-effect of preferring the latter is that you reach saturation levels (at which rentals and prices start skyrocketing) much quicker. Besides, the availability of easier credit is probably more responsible for the housing boom than anything else. Cities like Ahmedabad and Lucknow (which are not under the influence of IT) have seen spurts in house prices as have Mumbai & Delhi (which are more diversified and not dominated by IT). Besides, the city administration bungles up large scale housing projects like the 'Arkavathi layout'. IT can hardly be blamed if its rise coincided with a loosening of credit.

>>"IT lures everybody" True also. But what's a reasonable solution to this? A babu sitting somewhere allocating graduates to different industries? You have to let market forces rule. Sure , we should make sure there is adequate career counselling in colleges. Maybe institutes like IISc can go to colleges, address graduates and make everyone aware of the possibilities - just like IT companies sell themselves in pre-placement talks. The onus cannot be on IT companies to turn down applicants and ask them to go to other sectors or pursue higher learning.

>> "Traffic". Yes - again a problem. More roads and better public transport should alleviate this. Again, the road length in Bangalore has been traditionally low for a city it's size and the saturation limit came real fast. And, to reiterate, the IT industry made serious attempts to partner with city administration through BATF and other such initiatives. But politics put an end to them.

So, yes, these are pertinent questions that need to be addressed. The city has choked - and has probably choked faster than other cities that have IT boom's going. But there are a number of initiatives underway that should ease this soon.
Bharat Rao
New York, United States
Dec 10, 2007 12:00 AM
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I couldn't agree more.

Let us return to the old, simple Gandhian life of village hand-spinning and flatulent vegetarian lectures to the world on Hindu civilization's hapless grinning grandeur.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Dec 10, 2007 12:00 AM
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Arun Maheswari,

Looks like you are OK with Mallus and Bengus chase "others" from their states while they go all over and pollute with their Dalmiya Cements and MRF Tyre factories in outside, exploit native workers and have expensive lunches and dinners at the cost of other state resources.

Why the heck Bangalurians (I mean natives) should tolerate this nonsense?

Let them suffer or enjoy, it is their problem just like Kerala and Bengal. Why should they allow forcible changes on them which they dont like anyways?

Ram
Kerela, India
Dec 10, 2007 12:00 AM
21
Arun, Healthy criticism is most welcome. And nobody is asking any one here to lose their identity completely or using force.

Unfortunately , criticism most of the time stems from lack of knowledge.

My limited point is that most of the times such ignorance leads to " I / We brought sunshine to dark cave called Bangalore " attitude , which is wrong.There are residents of bangalore who have not learnt the local language even after staying here for decades. How will this attitude help in integration ?

An open mind and willingness to learn all around should hopefully solve this.
Shankar
Bangalore, India
Dec 10, 2007 12:00 AM
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Apropos "Raiders Lost The Arc" :
Prof CNR Rao's ire against IT industry is quite justified. For one, IT/BPO have brought to the city a glaring disparity in income levels. The consequences of this are the skyrocketing land value and general cost of living hitting the locals in non-IT sector below the belt. An even greater damage wrought by this is the luring away of the educated youth to IT industry at the cost of every other segment. Prof Rao seems to be carrying on a one-man crusade. It is strange that politicians, townplanners, educationists, social scientists and other responsible segments of society have been totally apathetic to the impending doom. They don't seem to realise that this is a lopsided growth -akin to every farmer in the country growing cash crops.The state governament too must own primary responsibility for the reckless growth. It has always displayed a knee jerk reaction rather than long term, far sighted planning. It has allowed unplanned, haphazard growth of this industry and the city totally oblivious to the resulting influx into the city and demands on the infrastructure. At this rate, the balloon is going to burst one day destroying the city with it.
K.Suresh
Bangalore, India
Dec 10, 2007 12:00 AM
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Shankar ... agree. The "immigrant" shouldn't demean the "host" culture for sure or "my culture" is superior to "yours" type attitude. But "immigrant" needs to also be free to criticise what he/she perceives as things that can improve (not necessarily from bad just improve) or loose/submerge his/her identity thus far completely. Ideally, immigrant should learn the local language, customs too but not under threat or penalty, i.e., a force that results in counter reaction.

My responses were on the articles tone and tenor - blaming IT for the ills - all was well until the barbarians struck.

Akhil is also right - eventually it is about economics - we underestimate how much of an "economic" animal a human is.

Ram ... "In Mallus & Bengus(Bengalis) will NEVER allow outsiders to establish anything in their places."

That's fine. The results in these states are for all to see. Kerala became a remittance economy (I am sure along with plenty of the attendant "corruption" you blame the new bangalorean of - except not as visible - and hence a sense of "ignorance is bliss"). At least, Kerala got a tourism economy going and I hope not many people have your world view because then tourism won't sustain too long either. Bengal lost a lot of ground and is now in a situation where they are having to really bend backwards and even that is not impressing enough people because there are plenty of choices - so why take un-necessary risks.

Saurav ... "The biggest export that america has managed to do over the past 2 decades is its ROTTEN culture."

If at all - it is more our problem of what we have "imported" not necessarily what the Americans exported. To my simple mind, given what they have achieved, net-net as on date they are not any more rotten culture than anything we have on offer, chances are they are better than "us" - if they are rotten then I hate to know what we are. Like all they have their problems and why blame them if we choose to pick on those only and import. Their "soft power" can only be balanced by our own "soft power" and ours has to evolve to relate to the times we live in.

"Celebrating festivals with relatives is a concept totally lost among todays young IT crowd."

I don't see this in the world I observe within IT. Sure chances are there is a shift for sure between centrality of friends versus relatives ... more to do with urbanization and distance but not as black and white as you observe.

"Arranged marriages is another issue which is loathed by todays IT generation. The result is more and more of divorces ..."

Again I am not sure divorces are about arranged versus the so called love marriages or about changing definitions of roles and expectations (and usually the male of the species behind the times :-)).

It is true we are a society in unimaginable transition at a speed that might not have ever been before.

It is disconcerting for sure but a black and white judgemental approach might not be the answer.

My mother made a very astute observation once when she was watching TV in US - that in India all (most of) the programs are about the past and in US they are all (mostly) about the future (plenty of science fiction).

Bottomline, what she meant was in our own ways there is similarity of problem of extremes and we have to find our own balances (as a culture but also family/individual). For me "past" has to provide the confidence to deal with the future and shouldn't become a prison or a means of facing the future with fear and using "past" as a shelter to hide. Otherwise, the past gets "couched" in terms of pride and confidence (We are the best culture. We are the greatest. Or others are rotten. We are the mother of all that is good. Others are to be blamed solely for our problems.) but actually stems from weakness and feeling of victimhood - the reverse of what is being projected.
Arun Maheshwari
Bangalore, India
Dec 10, 2007 12:00 AM
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Arun , I have never said " going to the past is great" anywhere. And neither did I say we shouldnt embrace the future.

Karnataka and kannadigas have a rich history in Literature, Music ,Theatre and Arts. One does not become a chauvinist if he is aware and proud of ones culture IMO. One can be culturally aware and open minded about the future at the same time.

A city should embrace and welcome any one who wants to settledown with open arms.

At the same time , this process becomes that much easier if the immigrant also makes an effort to learn and know about the local culture and language, instead of dismissing it outright.
Shankar
Bangalore, India
Dec 10, 2007 12:00 AM
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To Goongaparbat: One major difference is that Hindus in those countries have never offered even a small provocation, and yet they are still killed, rioted against and hounded out in huge numbers. Just one example: in 1964, the mere *rumour* of a theft of an Islamic relic in Kashmir caused Moslems in the then East Pakistan to kill, displace and expel thousands of Hindus from East Bengal. Another big difference is that Hindus in those countries are not 'retaliating' with serial bombs or massacres. India is much more open and democratic; people aren't arrested and given trumped up charges just for staging a protest. The tolerance level of India is considerably greater.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 10, 2007 12:00 AM
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Usually in these matters the economic realities ultimately win. The old may proclaim real or imaginary greatness and the new may embellish their real or imaginary contributions. It is best to hope that ultimately a compromise will be reached somewhere in the middle.
Akhil
Chicago, United States
Dec 09, 2007 12:00 AM
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Dear Mr. Ram,

Your hateful post reveals your provincial view and small-mindedness. Any Indian is free to move and settle anywhere in India. It is not logical to say that, "let me in, but close the gate afterwards so nobody else can come in". People who lived in Bangalore before the IT boom don't own the city. They also moved there sometime in the past, and must have altered the culture as well.

You have to understand, even if your mind is closed by racism and regionalism, that culture is not static. It keeps changing and evolving.

It is shameful that you are using such cheap language to insult women who have done nothing wrong to you. They are living their lives on their own terms, and don't need approval from racist pigheads like you.
kunal
denver, usa
Dec 09, 2007 12:00 AM
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I recently visited Bangalore. I understand the agony of the local residents, I mean true Bangaluru citizens - NOT those with black money and mafia links from Mumbai, Kolkatta and other Northern parts of the country try to make Bangaluru a corrupt IT junk.

It used to have leisure life style with people cheer each other when they go around the streets of Bangaluru.

Now a days mindless, IT Call Girls(I mean Call Center Girls), BPO Girls, IT Girls etc...with or without inskirt or pantees. Only worried about shortcuts and weekend parties. Having multiple sex partners and promote that culture in Bangaluru.

I am perfectly finding it alright of TRUE citizens of Bangaluru chase away "outsiders" from Bangaluru just like Shiv Sena people did it in Mumbai sometime ago.

Though I am not a Kannadiga, I can say how this place has been targetted by outsiders.

Same is happening in Chennai as well. Hope sometime people have the courage to chase outsiders away.

In Mallus & Bengus(Bengalis) will NEVER allow outsiders to establish anything in their places. Karnataka & TN should follow the same path for more success.
Ram
Kerela, India
Dec 09, 2007 12:00 AM
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The other day I was having a lunch in a "Indian restaurent" when a young IT couple were having Pizzas in american Pizza hut. For no apparent reason they looked at me and my food and started gigling / laughing..They were thinking what I was eating was Junk for them when they forgot that it was the other way round!!!

Perhaps the single most important thing that has disgusted me is the apparent love for the english language. It seems that anyone who cannot speak/write good english deserves to be ridiculed around and is some kind of a retart!.

The biggest export that america has managed to do over the past 2 decades is its ROTTEN culture.

I hope bangaloreans and all Indians realize it before it is too LATE!!
saurav
bangalore, India
Dec 09, 2007 12:00 AM
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Being from Bangalore, I can completely understand what the author is talking about here. I myself have experienced the "young adults" behave compared to my days not so long ago. Having 1-night stands,wearing skimpy clothes just to attract opposite sex are common. Its an "in thing" for young adults in bangalore to have multiple sex partners today. The culture has totally gone bankrupt. Young adults (less than 35 year olds) dont understand what is right or wrong. For them having a promotion, having a larger pay check, having a good project is much more important than having a good family life, good relatives around to have fun etc. Celebrating festivals with relatives is a concept totally lost among todays young IT crowd. Arranged marriages is another issue which is loathed by todays IT generation. The result is more and more of divorces and the american culture is in.
saurav
bangalore, India
Dec 09, 2007 12:00 AM
11
Shankar ... it appears you are interpreting my use of "improve" to mean that - improvement only means for bad/not-so-good to good as opposed that even good can be improved upon ... since there is no perfection only improvement is possible to keep approximating it. I wasn't suggesting that music or theatre didn't exist or was bad/not-so-good .... all I am saying is that improvements appear to have happened. Nothing wrong with it - is it?

Only, on customer orientation, I do think my experience in Bangalore of the 1996 was poor. And there I believe there has been significant change.
Arun Maheshwari
Bangalore, India
Dec 09, 2007 12:00 AM
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Shankar ... I am not sure I wrote exactly all that you interpreted.

Anyways, personally I have believed that the 2 reasons why bangalore was more successful with IT taking root just like in the Bay Area was - the weather and a cosmopolitan culture. In fact, I felt Kannidga culture, unlike many other sub-cultures of India was less parochial and more cosmopolitan in an inherent/natural sort of way. And Bangalore then and even today represented that cosmopolitanism well. In fact those are the reasons, I still think that if there is any place that can come 2nd to the Bay Area in IT it is Bangalore.

My comment was more to do with the fact that "just old is not gold" and there are many dimensions in which my personal experience sees a lot of improvement. And why this fear of the future and change? Why this notion that old is culture and intellectual and the new is not?

And the other that the issues of Bangalore are about governance, or the lack of it, and essentially some common but atrocious habits that make us Indian.

There is a hint of chauvinism creaping in the "old" culture. Curiously, I think this happened in the Bay Area too, where the "old timers", and typically whites, also had the opinion that the rapid growth induced by IT, with it's attendant immigrants, and mostly non whites was causing a breakdown of "culture" (in spite of the jokes in the rest of the country that the only culture in California was yoghurt and was the land of fruit (cakes) and nuts (since it was one of the largest producer of fruits and nuts in the US). And in fact for a period, the decline and doom of the Bay Area was predicted and premature obtituaries written, with many of these folks relocating to more pristine pastures of Colarado, Oregon, Montana, Washington, etc. Guess what happened, the Bay Area rejuvenated itself with a vengeance and it's stride in IT is almost unassilable, even by Bangalore. And BTW in cultural terms it no 2nd to any.

Time will tell which way bangalore will go and I do hope there will be the wisdom of not killing the goose laying the golden egg.

I hope that Bangalore will attain the status of Mumbai in terms of being a great cosmopolitan city and find itself on the map of great cities of the world without the parochialism of the Shiv Sena that haunts Mumbai.

Thanks too for pointing out the greatness of Kannada literature. You are right I didn't know and I haven't read. With all due respect, all I will say is that all great cities and cultures of the world have a past but they sustain that greatness by embracing a future too and find ways to preserve the past (but also accept the loss of some of the past without looking for scapegoats).

I don't think of myself as disgruntled but it is true I don't find myself as rooted in any place. We are centuries ago from Rajasthan though dislocated centuries ago to UP. Grew up for a while in Assam, then Kolkata, then Ranchi. Worked in Kolkata and Hyderabad and then relocated to the US and then back to Bangalore. Am I am marwari? Am I from UP, or Assam, or Bengal or Bihar (Jharkhand now)? Am I an Indian-American? Am I now a Bangalorean? I like to think I am neither and all - and hopefully the best of all of them? However, I do dislike "going to the past because past is great, new is not" brigade of any kind.
Arun Maheshwari
Bangalore, India
Dec 09, 2007 12:00 AM
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Arun >>Theatre .... I don't do much off BUT even there I am told with Ranga Shankara the scene has improved.

I pity your ignorance on Kannada theatre Scene. Rangashankara improved the kannada theatre scene? LOL. Man , you are the pits.

Have you heard of the place heggodu and its art troupe Ninasam ? Have you heard of names like gubbi veeranna , Subbanna , B V Karanth, Prasanna , Kailasam , lankesh , karnad amongst others? These are some of the pioneers of kannada theatre movement.

Please do read up before you open your mouth on subjects you do not know about and confirm to rest of the world how shallow your expertise is.
Shankar
Bangalore, India
Dec 09, 2007 12:00 AM
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Arun Maheshwari is the typical disgruntled non- resident of Bangalore , who has made Bangalore his place of residence , but is yet to come to terms with its History.

His superficial knowledge of Kannada Culture and the parameters he has chosen to rate bangalore are laughable to say the least.

And he wants Bangalore to change so that his choice of music , food, art etc. defacto becomes the choice for the rest of bangalore.

The very fact that you did not name Purandara Dasa , Kanaka dasa or Venkatappa while talking about Karnatakas music and art shows how superficial youare. Naturally you proclaim south Indian food is just thali and dosa.

It is the immigrant who has to assimilate into his chice of residence , and not the otherway.

Proclaiming there was nothing worthwhile in Bangalore, before 1996, when arun maheshwari moved in and educated the local ignoramuses on finer things in life is as nutty as it gets.

This superiority complex of yours will make your assimilation into bangalore even more difficult IMO.
Shankar
Bangalore, India
Dec 09, 2007 12:00 AM
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Thanks Bangalore for realising that mindless development is not always good. It destroys all that we stand for. We are facing the same kind of destruction in Chandigarh: property prices and rentals have zoomed, old values are being destroyed and the city chokes with traffic. Chandigarh is going the Bangalore way and there is no way we can stop it. I just hope the city is resilient enough to withstand the onslaught of the IT wallahs and something of the old charm is left. But a thought must be given to this mindless development that the short sighted government babus and the dollar is bringing into our country, spoiling all the old charms of our cities.
Dinesh Kumar
Chandigarh, India
Dec 09, 2007 12:00 AM
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(Continuation from the previous post) ...

3. Food .... possibly South Indian thali, dosa, etc. was great BUT other than that, food sucked compared to any significant city either in terms of quality or variety. I quickly formed a rule to never take resturant advice for "old" bangaloreans because as far as I was concerned they wouldn't know good food if it hit them on the face. Today, the variety has increased and so has the quality. Again I am glad for it ... though I still miss good thai, ethopian and middle eastern from Portland.

4. Music .... again may be carnatic classical was there (though nothing compared to Chennai) or else western music stuck with Boney-M or american bands who nobody in their native places listened to anymore. Today there is lot of national and international variety.

5. Art .... I am a regular visitor to many galleries and to the extent I can afford I do buy if I like. Most galleries and exhibition were hard pressed to sell. Artists visiting from outside claimed hardly any appreciation or market existed compared to Mumbai, Delhi, Kolkata. A gallery owner was desperate enough to break into the company I worked for and was willing to give art on rental/lease basis. May be, Tanjore paintings was the extent of art in those days (and I must say it's the one art form of India I just cannot relate too with round faces and heavy gold ornamentation). I am quite sure the scene has improved - lot more variety, lot more exhibitions from artists outside of Bangalore and lot more art commerce.

6. Theatre .... I don't do much off BUT even there I am told with Ranga Shankara the scene has improved. And i am sure Ranga Shankara happened partly because the marketplace for theatre increased.

So age of the "new" bangaloreans (barbarians) is here. The "old" have to decide .... and as CNR Rao says .... may be in Ramnagram they can create the "bangalore" of their imaginations and this time fortify it with higher walls. Though historically across the world, barbarians do much better (and also immigrants) and eventually the walls do get broken.
Arun Maheshwari
Bangalore, India
Dec 09, 2007 12:00 AM
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Circa 1996, I came to this city. I suppose IT was happening but may be not as big as post 2003. Personally, I think the "barbarians" have helped it making it more of a city than a sleepy club oriented, every body has their place and happy with it, small town.

Traffic is the major problem but that has more to do with our exceptional planning genious AND terrible driving habits. And here may be the "old" bangaloreans contribute more of a mess given they graduated from 2 wheelers to 4 but still think it's a 2 wheeler. Filth - yes - but that to me is again to do with civic authorities and our ability as Indians to be publicly filthy as if there is a noble prize for it.

Changes for the better from my own experiences ..

1. I go to my neighborhood club to find out about membership. Instead of my queries, I am asked "personal" questions. Why did I return from US (those were days when the reverse was more true)? Why wasn't I married at 38? I blew up saying, is any of these queries related to membership. And then I was told, I could apply BUT likelihood of getting a membership is close to zero, as I don't know anyone who matters AND LTTM (Long Term Temporary Membership - the oxymoronic irony of it) was by an large meant for Bureaucrats or large organization (meaning public sector) with a certain revenue size. I said I worked for HP (not Hindustan Petroleum) and it's revenue at the time was larger than all the organizations he could think of put together. Nothing special about Bangalore, in this experience - probably true anywhere in India given our caste system of exclusion topped with the learnt, brown sahib, colonial club attitude of the British. Just that I found Bangalore more "clubish" with higher barriers to entry. I can understand the "old" bangaloreans with their clubs, ticked off, given their precious clubs are being raided by IT "barbarians". I look for pay-per use facilities - can't find any and then with my neighbors help, strangely, I find myself becoming that supposedly elusive LTTM at that very club, and after 5 years a regular member. But I still don't fit in and go for my couple of hours of tennis and think of it as "pay for use". How I wish we were colonized by the more practical Americans, may be with IT it is happening a very subtle way, and may be the caste system induced heirarchical mindset would have broken rather than overlayed and re-inforced with the British style class and their clubs of exclusion. Or just maybe, we would have taught the Americans :-).

2. Shopping .... I have to buy a present for a friends b'day. I go to this shop on Brigade Road (pride of bangalore shopping then) and ask to see a crystal high up in a overstuffed wooden showcase. I am told by the shopkeeper that if I buy he will take it out. I point out, that I am interested but without seeing how can I buy and his body language says "too bad". I walk away but he doesn't care. In another furniture store, I am interested in a table, very high end for 1996, and I need a proforma invoice as my company pays directly to the vendor. In one end of the shop is the owner, sitting uncaringly and unbothered. I ask him for an invoice and since it's work rather than what he was doing, he says please come tomorrow. I am shocked but I can see the attitude of "you want to buy, I am OK, you don't want to buy, I am still OK. I furniture store stories of that time in Bangalore are amusing and many. Essentially, I didn't buy any major furniture till 2001 when I found this furniture store run by an immigrant from Mumbai who I would see wanted to "sell" and cared for me to "buy" from him. I can understand this attitude given a bangalore of either retired ex-government or government employees for whom customer by and large is an afterthought and a bother. It has now changed ... shopkeepers one can see want to sell. I am happy for it.

(Continued .... in the next post)
Arun Maheshwari
Bangalore, India
Dec 09, 2007 12:00 AM
4
This is not a unusual story at all. It is like a small town in the US protesting against the arrival of a WalMart saying they dont want such "so called development".

Bangalore has become a true blue big city, but it still has a small but significant significant, entrenched small town mentality. Nothing to worry about. They will get over it.
vijay
Chennai, India
Dec 09, 2007 12:00 AM
3
Although this article is unpleasant and unlikeable, it is to be welcomed and appreciated in its own way. For it shows the difference between India on the one hand, and the so called "Asian miracle economies", like Malaysia and Singapore, on the other. Can you imagine an article like this in those countries bemoaning the loss of soul and culture and the growth of excessive commericialism, in Kuala Lampur or Singapore city, or Jakarta or Bangkok? For that matter, Hong Kong, Shangai, Beijing, Seoul? Everything there is "work, work work, money,money, money". Only in India would such an article appear, and that's to India's credit. There are intangibles and abstractions that you can't assign a monetary value to, or include in a country's GNP, XNP, YNP or ZNP.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Dec 08, 2007 12:00 AM
2
It is ridiculous to blame the IT sector when infrastructural capacity constraints get exposed and everyone feels the heat. It is unfortunate that Outlook joined in this populist, misinformed, anti-IT chorus. Or perhaps, an article bashing IT sells more issues these days. But first some basic questions that one would have expected Outlook to research
- "IT-wallahs get preferential treatment in banks, hotels, malls or holiday packages". I am not actually sure that is the case. But, even if it is, wouldn't it perhaps make sense to find out if it is just a case of market forces at work or something else? For instance, if a given bank has all the employee salary accounts of an IT company, it is but natural to give preferential rate on loans for such employees - as the bank enjoyes a huge float. In other words, it is purely a commercial decision. If a non IT company never thought of negotiating such a deal with their bank, IT can hardly be faulted.
- Is IT being blamed for "Metro rail, the six-lane highway leading to the new international airport and for the many new ring and other roads"? For a growing city, wouldn't any industry have required these things? Or is there perhaps an alternative employment avenue that soaks up the youth churned out by the hundreds of colleges without requiring any infrastructure? Surely IT has been instrumental in keepign the children of older Bangloreans in the city (instead of migrating elsewhere)
- "Should we allow a tiny population of IT professionals, who make 'exaggerated' claims about their number and contribution, to control the city?". Exactly what kind of control are we talking about here? Can someone please elaborate? Yes, IT folks complain about infrastructure and then try to do something cxonstructive through initiatives like BATF - which are promptly put down. And perhaps all the work done by charitable foundations linked to IT companies counts for nothing.
- By the way, improving Hosur road will probably lead to a huge boost to the garment industry, to various industrial estates , to hospitals and so on.

Now for the "exaggerated" claims. Would Outlook be bothered to find out or estimate
- No of direct IT / BPO jobs generated in the last 10 years as a proportion of the total job growth in that period?
- No of indirect IT / BPO jobs (construction, transport, finance (all those banks giving 'preferential treatment' often open branches in campuses. Those employ "non IT" people), housekeeping, security
- Amount of direct and indirect taxes of all sorts paid by IT employees
Some numbers should put things in perspective - but surely bashers wouldn't be bothered.
- As for "these cars", I, for one, will be glad to take a bus or the metro if there is reliable service. IT folks in Mumbai do that because the buses and trains there are efficient. So would people in Bangalore (and, to its credit, BMTC is improving). Of course, bashers will say, these IT folks are responsible for BMTC buying expensive Volvo buses.

For the record, I am an "IT wallah" from Bangalore. I love the city and celebrate 'Vidyarthi Bhavan' in Gandhi Bazar as much as some fancy restaurant in a glitzy mall.

Overall, the lack of balance in the article was disappointing.
Bharat Rao
New York, United States
Dec 08, 2007 12:00 AM
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What happened to 'Outlook India'? 'Outlook's' article concerning 'Bangalore IT people' reek with 'Feudal' Idiocy.

Just because certain fellas calling themselves as 'Reporters' & 'Journalists' cannot earn enough, should they be given this much privelege of tarnishing the 'Real Working Class' of India, who is bringing in 'Fortunes' to this country, working day and night.

And the article also quotes 'Government Servants'. Had the 'Government Servants' been working as intelligently, feverishly and in a straight forward manner, India would have been a better place, let alone Bangalore.

And 'OUTLOOK INDIA' stands shamefully exposed not only here but also in its insistence on highlighting 'Taslima Nazreen' issue, again and again after its resolution, so that 'Anti-Islamic' racist Journalists posing themselves as feminsts could thrive. All this, while the plight of 'FARMER'S KILLED IN NANDIGRAM AND COMMITING SUICIDE TROUGHOUT INDIA' was not reported by one single self-styled 'Journalist' of Outlook.

'IT IS A SHAME FOR OUTLOOK' to have disgraced itself with such anti-national articles to spew venom on 'IT WORKERS'.
consistent
Chennai, India
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