T. Narayan
We at 50: Much celebrated, and a Vande Mataram from Rahman
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Sixty Years Of Latitude
No doubt, we deserve the self-congratulation. But how about some reflection too? Can 'inclusive India' be less an abuse, more a priority?
Sixty is a confusing age. You are obviously too old to be described as young, you are well past customary middle age, but you are not yet ready to knock at the Pearly Gates. It is a nebulous, in-between moment, something similar to the feeling, "the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak." Since we live in times where numbers are worshipped, there is much hoopla and hyperbole, orchestrated perhaps by the publishing and media industry, regarding India's 60th birthday.
 
 
Size and diversity have ensured we have had no military coup and only one civilian one, for 18 months, from 1975-77.
 
 
While one may be understandably eager to wish the Republic many happy returns, I wonder why 60 is seen as such a sexy landmark—considering that just 10 years ago we went through an identical uplifting exercise.

Nevertheless, for a relatively young and still fresh democracy, any number is welcome if the looking back and looking ahead involves something more than sentimentality and nostalgia. The advance publicity to the run-up to Wednesday, August 15, unfortunately, relies too heavily on self-congratulation and self-promotion. I would have preferred to see a little breast-beating and honest reassessment.

The backslapping, let me quickly add, is not entirely unwarranted. In the past 10 years, India's tentative steps into the brave, new world of economic reform and globalisation have yielded handsome results. All the talk of attaining "economic superpower" status may be premature and pompous but the boost to the country's self-confidence and self-esteem (best summed up in that awful phrase: "India can do it") means the middle-class native can roam the world head held up high, even though it may still be necessary to line up like the shivering Boat People at international airports. Happily, we have crossed the glass half-full or half-empty stage, our march forward is no longer a matter of perspective or a matter of individual perception. Optimism is justified. The deniers are few and far between.

However, self-congratulation needs a dose of realism. Before my critics say, there he goes again, let us remind ourselves that in Superpower India, 75 per cent of 1.1 billion citizens live on less than Rs 80 a day, out of which 30 per cent live on less than Rs 40 a day. The NGO Child Relief and You tells us that 50 per cent of India's children get no school education; 25 per cent of victims of commercial sexual exploitation are below 18; 1.2 million children under the age of 5 die of malnutrition every year; 90 per cent of working children live in rural India....

To enumerate these dismal figures, to emphasise that substantial chunks of our shining republic live in conditions of sub-Saharan poverty, is not designed to dampen the celebrations or put out the lamps. It is merely to jog the collective memory of the firecracker enthusiasts that we still have a long way to go. If "inclusive India", instead of being a term of abuse, name-calling and contention, henceforth becomes the top priority of all political parties, the 60th birthday celebrations would have more than achieved their purpose.

As I write, hundreds of scholars all over the planet are busy writing, debating, discussing and analysing the "miracle of Indian democracy". How does this fragile and fickle creature prosper on Indian soil? Since 1947, there has been no shortage of prophets of doom, both local and foreign, who prophesied that in five or ten years India would become either a tinpot banana republic or descend into bloody chaos. Yet, in 2007, the miracle is clearly visible for all to behold!

That the cards were stacked heavily against "a land of Babel with no common voice" is a commonplace. How a multi-ethnic, multi-lingual, multi-religious, argumentative, bulky piece of real estate, encircled by juntas and tyrants, managed to hold its 14th free and fair general election in 2004 (in which the incumbent was unceremoniously thrown out) makes even sage heads sit up in bewilderment.

Nevertheless, I believe too much is made of the aforementioned secular miracle. After all, the United States is as, if not more, heterogeneous than India, and few people repeatedly remark on the survival of American democracy.

Many years ago, I asked a cerebral infantry brigadier why a military coup had never taken place in India. Why had it never even been attempted? Size, he replied, the country is just too big! "Which TV station does the army capture?" he asked. In 1999, Pervez Musharraf's soldiers concluded a coup in less than four hours simply because the number of strategic points the army had to seize were few. And all in one city. Besides, there were just two generals whose support Musharraf needed in order to execute the operation. An army takeover in India has been conspicuous by its absence not because no ambitious chief has ever thought of it, or because our troops are extra patriotic, it has been absent because the logistics of a coup d'etat were always impossible. Let us thank Lord Rama for gifting us a continental-sized landmass!

One other fact to remember: we remain a functioning democracy not despite the multiplicity of gods, tongues, regions, temperatures, colours, cuisines, but because of them. As Indira Gandhi discovered in 1975-77, there is no way you can rule the whole of India from Delhi. Again, size and diversity ensure that in 60 years we have faced only one civilian dictatorship—and that too for merely 18 months.

I am not discounting the wise historian Ramachandra Guha's British bequests—the army, the railways, the English language, the game of cricket—plus our own Bollywood songs, which have helped keep this country at once democratic and united. I am just adding a caveat that the putative civilian or military despot was probably put off his anti-national designs when he examined the social, political and regional map of the country.

Even my critics would concede that I am not given to jingoism. However, as I contemplate India and the world on our republic's 60th birthday, I feel privileged, even blessed, to claim citizenship of our loud, messy, sometimes infuriating but unfailingly robust, resilient and free democracy. I realise we have no choice in these cosmic matters, but I am keeping my fingers crossed that if I am reborn as a human thanks to my good karma (printing your rude letters must be worth a few brownie karmas), I hope it is close to Nizamuddin East in New Delhi.

Why do I feel privileged and blessed? Because I dwell in a land where two make-or-break, defining battles of the 21st century are being staged. First, can a country long cursed with the flush maharajas vs starving peasants image create a society through market capitalism which is approximately fair, just and equitable? Can we, say in seven years, eliminate the shaming poverty of the aam aadmi courtesy an economic system perceived to be loaded against the poor while favouring the rich? The world is watching with breathless fascination whether a developing country like India, with no option but to embrace the global free market consensus, can deliver to 400 million people the basic amenities of life.

Second, the "clash of civilisations" champions will either triumph or perish on our soil. If India can demonstrate that 160 million Muslims can be absorbed into the national mainstream, rejecting

Mr bin Laden's suicidal radicalism, to emerge as devout but non-militant citizens in an overwhelming Hindu majority state, we would have delivered a terminal blow to the Samuel Huntingtons of our time—intellectual bigots who insist that Islam cannot peacefully coexist with other religions. No other country on our estranged globe is better placed to wage this crucial clash.

It may be the heady 60th anniversary brew, but I feel India will win both the battles.
 
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HAVE YOUR SAY
Aug 17, 2007 12:00 AM
62
Faruki wrote -
'Mehta has also provided a wonderful venue for us to converse in. '
Mehta is the editor not the owner. If you want to thank someone thank the Raheja Group wh own Outlook. Most journalists in india are spineless.
Rajeev
Delhi, India
Aug 17, 2007 12:00 AM
61
VM,
I keep checking OL for a big write up supporting the N-deal to get the UPA out of embarrassment. why there's not a single one so far??? Is it because it will also embarrass your blood parents, the Commies?
Narayan
Zurich, Switzerland
Aug 17, 2007 12:00 AM
60
Between the Lines
Of the PM’s Independence Day Speech

Rajesh Kumar Sharma

Manmohan Singh has spoken again from the ramparts of the historic Red Fort, but not like a Prime Minister. He has spoken like a CEO, the CEO of India Inc. And he has spoken suitably, with the flat and inscrutable expression that successful CEOs are known to carry. But hasn’t he somewhat oversold the “new India” brand?

In the order of the “new”, he sees history as obsolete and forgettable. The centuries-old India no longer deserves even a mention. Indeed, history begins in 1947. “We are a young nation,” he says. Those who spoke proudly of an ancient civilization must have been seriously deluded.

In his “new vision of a caring India”, there is a “vastly increased fiscal support to social and human development”. The corporate engine requires his government to deliver more manpower. (The Ambanis have also been recently speaking about health and education as the next great investment opportunities). Hence his one-eyed vision of education – as a set of marketable skills, not as a cosmopolitan cultural inheritance. It is not at all surprising if twice in his speech he mentions “creativity” but only in conjunction with “enterprise”.

And notice the smugness of “we are undoubtedly moving forward in the right direction”.

It is precisely this smugness that allows him, like so many of his brethren in politics, to splendidly isolate himself from “the common man”. The irony of “us” vs. “them” is entirely lost on this once-upon-a-time professor. He is one of those Indian people who are not mere people. Special people vs. common people. Or better even, “men”. Are the feminists listening?

“Those who believe in violence and terrorism have no place in our society.” Let them remain underground. Let the causes of violence and terrorism also remain underground. Why face them? The treatises on human resource management do not deal with these problems. A manager cannot afford to think like a statesman, or a CEO like a PM.

Moreover, not all questions are meant to be answered. Some questions are purely rhetorical. (Of course, only a CEO can ask a rhetorical question in one breath and say in the next that it was only a rhetorical question). We must not waste any time over answers but press ahead on our “undoubtedly right” course, using the questions as inspirational quotes. In the inventory of human resources, the soul is not listed. How can a CEO be expected to indulge in such a superstitious activity as soul-searching?

Hence the perfectly fine logic that the goal of poverty eradication can be achieved “only through sustained economic growth and development”. Distributive justice is a faded myth. Only common people believe in it, but they have no idea of the latest items in the ideology mall. Let them wait then, with mouths gaping, for the trickle-down effect of prosperity.



Rajesh Kumar Sharma

Rajesh Kumar Sharma
Patiala, India
Aug 17, 2007 12:00 AM
59
Part 2

Moreover, not all questions are meant to be answered. Some questions are purely rhetorical. (Of course, only a CEO can ask a rhetorical question in one breath and say in the next that it was only a rhetorical question). We must not waste any time over answers but press ahead on our “undoubtedly right” course, using the questions as inspirational quotes. In the inventory of human resources, the soul is not listed. How can a CEO be expected to indulge in such a superstitious activity as soul-searching?

Hence the perfectly fine logic that the goal of poverty eradication can be achieved “only through sustained economic growth and development”. Distributive justice is a faded myth. Only common people believe in it, but they have no idea of the latest items in the ideology mall. Let them wait then, with mouths gaping, for the trickle-down effect of prosperity.
Rajesh Kumar Sharma
Patiala, India
Aug 17, 2007 12:00 AM
58
Between the Lines
Of the PM’s Independence Day Speech

Rajesh Kumar Sharma

Manmohan Singh has spoken again from the ramparts of the historic Red Fort, but not like a Prime Minister. He has spoken like a CEO, the CEO of India Inc. And he has spoken suitably, with the flat and inscrutable expression that successful CEOs are known to carry. But hasn’t he somewhat oversold the “new India” brand?

In the order of the “new”, he sees history as obsolete and forgettable. The centuries-old India no longer deserves even a mention. Indeed, history begins in 1947. “We are a young nation,” he says. Those who spoke proudly of an ancient civilization must have been seriously deluded.

In his “new vision of a caring India”, there is a “vastly increased fiscal support to social and human development”. The corporate engine requires his government to deliver more manpower. (The Ambanis have also been recently speaking about health and education as the next great investment opportunities). Hence his one-eyed vision of education – as a set of marketable skills, not as a cosmopolitan cultural inheritance. It is not at all surprising if twice in his speech he mentions “creativity” but only in conjunction with “enterprise”.

And notice the smugness of “we are undoubtedly moving forward in the right direction”.

It is precisely this smugness that allows him, like so many of his brethren in politics, to splendidly isolate himself from “the common man”. The irony of “us” vs. “them” is entirely lost on this once-upon-a-time professor. He is one of those Indian people who are not mere people. Special people vs. common people. Or better even, “men”. Are the feminists listening?

“Those who believe in violence and terrorism have no place in our society.” Let them remain underground. Let the causes of violence and terrorism also remain underground. Why face them? The treatises on human resource management do not deal with these problems. A manager cannot afford to think like a statesman, or a CEO like a PM.

Continued in part 2
Rajesh Kumar Sharma
Patiala, India
Aug 17, 2007 12:00 AM
57
Part I
Sixty years of Latitude

Let us talk about the root cause of this mess
Do you trust our Congress party traitors and also the same well-known opportunist, corrupt, manipulative and criminal Congress gang and some ten sycophantic secular Indian English newspapers, which sold India’s self respect, dignity, and security to foreign spy pay masters for a few Russian rubles, and many other countries? No doubt, we deserve the self-congratulation but no thanks to the Congress, Communists, Lalujis, and sycophantic secular Indian newspapers.

Our very opportunist and manipulative ‘Muslim and Dalit Centric’ corrupt Congress party, which is ruled and managed by one foreign Italian Madam Don is run by well honed, organized, corrupt, and criminal politicians mob.

We can discuss or argue about this subject until the end of the earth but unfortunately, people of India will never ever get any peace, security, rest, justice, honesty, truth, integrity, true democracy, and human rights, until and unless we completely get rid of our blood sucking pseudo secular Congress and communists from our lives.
Maybe, what I said is politically incorrect but do you have any solution other than naval gazing or discussing this subject to death? We have been ruled by this Congress, Communists, Lalujis, for over fifty years, and have been putting up again and again for over fifty years, without any break from political criminality, communality, bribery, manipulation, corruption, innuendo dirty tricks, division, and intimidation.
India’s unashamed, barefaced pretentious secular Congress and Communists criminal mob, which is loaded with third class opportunist politicians have always tried to pull wool over our eyes again and again. Also brazenly pulled every dirty political and blatant illegal and immoral dirty tricks under the sun, hoping to hood wink us. They have criminally exploited our frightened, illiterate, and semi-illiterate poor Dalits and Muslims mercilessly for years by creating an imaginary frightening upper caste bogeymen.
Instead of helping the minorities to be independent and self-reliant, our criminal Congress and communist mobs have deliberately set out to put together a ‘permanent guaranteed vote bank’ consisting of virtual frightened beggars, who are brainwashed beyond any self-sufficiency, self reliance or independent thoughts, other than to remain Congress party’s slaves in bondage until death.

With the criminal connivance of the Congress and English news media sycophants, the Congress Party has successfully manipulated and has hopelessly brain washed our gullible minorities and have created a whole section of population, which even today suffers from persecution, and inferiority complex. These opportunist and corrupt Congress thugs, with the help of our opportunist and shady communists, common criminals, illiterate Lalujis, and foreign Christian evangelists have permanently enslaved the whole generation of poor, insecure, frightened, and hopelessly illiterate, half starved and hungry people. Then pretending to be their ‘saviors from hunger’ and protectors from the scourge of the upper caste ogre. These Congress and Communists bribe the poor with money, gifts, free food packages, and little perks to barely keep them alive, and then exploiting them mercilessly to buy their votes, with tax payers money. And after the election our easily manipulated, and brainwashed poor Congress’s vote bank is left to rot and fend for themselves until the next general election.

Raj
Toronto, Canada
Aug 17, 2007 12:00 AM
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Part II
Sixty years of Latitude

Have the minorities ever wondered why even after fifty years of the Congress’s rule they are still in a flux, still wallowing in grinding poverty, still hungry, still illiterate, still frightened of the upper caste Hindu bogyman, and still selling their precious votes to Congress, Laluji, and commies for measly bribes of a few rupees and free meals? Do you ever wonder why after having great privilege of having your pathetic mug shots taken showing the great Congress Madam not offering you the key to the new education institute for the poor but distributing a small token of tax payers money to you, so that your great Congress saviours can stay in power and keep themselves happy, wallowing in the life of luxury and opulence? Meanwhile poor are left holding a few rupees in their hand, wet, cold, hungry, shivering, miserable in the falling rain, and looking over their shoulder for the sudden appearance of that horrible upper caste Hindu bogeyman.
So think carefully before you sell your souls to the pretentious secularist devil, who controls poor minorities’ lives. If you are hungry, wet, and cold, then you may have to wait patiently for the next general election. We believe that the pickings are going to be good for the poor minorities during the next general election. Madam Sonia and the Prime Minister are getting ready for the photo ops. And she needs your votes desperately for the Congress’s Dynastic Prince Charming’s coronation.

Raj
Toronto, Canada
Aug 17, 2007 12:00 AM
55
Nikhil,

>> Do you share the same fondness for Vinod Mehta?

I like Indians who are in the Nehruvian tradition. Mehta has also provided a wonderful venue for us to converse in.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Aug 16, 2007 12:00 AM
54
Sixty years! Not a short period in the life of a country! If we do a stock taking now, it is only the glaring failures rather than the success stories that hit hard on the face of the Nation. India's vision in the earlier years should have been a long one to extend beyond the tip of it's nose, paying more attention to the population control, bringing in scientific and mechanical farming to increase the farm out-puts, enforcing hygiene in public life and developing basic Infra-structures for the growth of a sound industrial base. Because of the failure to attach importance to Research Facilities in the earlier years, Scientific advancement has not kept pace with those of the western countries and it is pathetic to see that any sanctions, if imposed by countries like USA putting embargo on supplies, bringing all projects on hand to a grinding halt! Above all, a good political system to give paramount importance to the national interests rather to politics was deliberately avoided. No unity had been achieved in diversity. Regionalism and linguistic chauvinism are always in the forefront with the result that the central leadership has been reduced to the beck and call of the regional goondas. The Maoists are running a parallel government in the areas they hold. The whole North Eastern Area is running berserk, not to speak of Kashmir. It is easy to say that we would catch up with China by 2020. Not that easy if we continue to live the way we have been doing all along without a course correction.
T.Sathyamurthi
Folsom, United States
Aug 16, 2007 12:00 AM
53
"Eugene Levy happens to be one of my favorites ever since Second City TV days."

I like Eugene Levy as an actor too. It is the character he plays in American Pie that is a jerk. Do you share the same fondness for Vinod Mehta?

I don't. He is truly a jerk.
Nikhil Malhotra
Nashville, United States
Aug 16, 2007 12:00 AM
52
Nikhil,

>> Jerk in American Pie.

Eugene Levy happens to be one of my favorites ever since Second City TV days.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Aug 16, 2007 12:00 AM
51
Part II
Sixty years of Latitude

Have the minorities ever wondered why even after fifty years of the Congress’s rule they are still in a flux, still wallowing in grinding poverty, still hungry, still illiterate, still frightened of the upper caste Hindu bogyman, and still selling their precious votes to Congress, Laluji, and commies for measly bribes of a few rupees and free meals? Do you ever wonder why after having great privilege of having your pathetic mug shots taken showing the great Congress Madam not offering you the key to the new education institute for the poor but distributing a small token of tax payers money to you, so that your great Congress saviours can stay in power and keep themselves happy, wallowing in the life of luxury and opulence? Meanwhile poor are left holding a few rupees in their hand, wet, cold, hungry, shivering, miserable in the falling rain, and looking over their shoulder for the sudden appearance of that horrible upper caste Hindu bogeyman.
So think carefully before you sell your souls to the pretentious secularist devil, who controls poor minorities’ lives. If you are hungry, wet, and cold, then you may have to wait patiently for the next general election. We believe that the pickings are going to be good for the poor minorities during the next general election. Madam Sonia and the Prime Minister are getting ready for the photo ops. And she needs your votes desperately for the Congress’s Dynastic Prince Charming’s coronation.

Raj
Toronto, Canada
Aug 16, 2007 12:00 AM
50
Part I
Sixty years of Latitude

Let us talk about the root cause of this mess
Do you trust our Congress party traitors and also the same well-known opportunist, corrupt, manipulative and criminal Congress gang and some ten sycophantic secular Indian English newspapers, which sold India’s self respect, dignity, and security to foreign spy pay masters for a few Russian rubles, and many other countries? No doubt, we deserve the self-congratulation but no thanks to the Congress, Communists, Lalujis, and sycophantic secular Indian newspapers.

Our very opportunist and manipulative ‘Muslim and Dalit Centric’ corrupt Congress party, which is ruled and managed by one foreign Italian Madam Don is run by well honed, organized, corrupt, and criminal politicians mob.

We can discuss or argue about this subject until the end of the earth but unfortunately, people of India will never ever get any peace, security, rest, justice, honesty, truth, integrity, true democracy, and human rights, until and unless we completely get rid of our blood sucking pseudo secular Congress and communists from our lives.
Maybe, what I said is politically incorrect but do you have any solution other than naval gazing or discussing this subject to death? We have been ruled by this Congress, Communists, Lalujis, for over fifty years, and have been putting up again and again for over fifty years, without any break from political criminality, communality, bribery, manipulation, corruption, innuendo dirty tricks, division, and intimidation.
India’s unashamed, barefaced pretentious secular Congress and Communists criminal mob, which is loaded with third class opportunist politicians have always tried to pull wool over our eyes again and again. Also brazenly pulled every dirty political and blatant illegal and immoral dirty tricks under the sun, hoping to hood wink us. They have criminally exploited our frightened, illiterate, and semi-illiterate poor Dalits and Muslims mercilessly for years by creating an imaginary frightening upper caste bogeymen.
Instead of helping the minorities to be independent and self-reliant, our criminal Congress and communist mobs have deliberately set out to put together a ‘permanent guaranteed vote bank’ consisting of virtual frightened beggars, who are brainwashed beyond any self-sufficiency, self reliance or independent thoughts, other than to remain Congress party’s slaves in bondage until death.

With the criminal connivance of the Congress and English news media sycophants, the Congress Party has successfully manipulated and has hopelessly brain washed our gullible minorities and have created a whole section of population, which even today suffers from persecution, and inferiority complex. These opportunist and corrupt Congress thugs, with the help of our opportunist and shady communists, common criminals, illiterate Lalujis, and foreign Christian evangelists have permanently enslaved the whole generation of poor, insecure, frightened, and hopelessly illiterate, half starved and hungry people. Then pretending to be their ‘saviors from hunger’ and protectors from the scourge of the upper caste ogre. These Congress and Communists bribe the poor with money, gifts, free food packages, and little perks to barely keep them alive, and then exploiting them mercilessly to buy their votes, with tax payers money. And after the election our easily manipulated, and brainwashed poor Congress’s vote bank is left to rot and fend for themselves until the next general election.
Raj
Toronto, Canada
Aug 16, 2007 12:00 AM
49
Don't you think Vinod Mehta uncannily resembles both in looks and character to the jerk who was the dad in American Pie? :)

Check these out.

Vinod Mehta:
http://tinyurl.com/yt54ql

Jerk in American Pie:
http://tinyurl.com/2cgv2n
Nikhil Malhotra
Nashville, United States
Aug 16, 2007 12:00 AM
48
India continuing as a democracy and indeed staying united in the first place is due to Hinduism and its easy-going ways, for all its faults.

Look how "Islam" with its rigid absolutism nurtured thuggish dictatorships in almost every "Muslim" country.

Not seeing the contribution of Hinduism in this respect is like not seeing the elephant in the drawing room.

A feat possible only for brainless, senile, piss-potting, medicre clowns like Vinod Mehta and his fartbag guru, Ram Guha.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Aug 16, 2007 12:00 AM
47
"LETS PAUSE TO CONSIDER WHETHER THE NEXT TIME A COMMUNAL RIOTS GO OFF ANYWEHERE IN INDIA, WE SHOULD BLAME HINDUS WE SHOULD CONSIDER OUR OWN FAILURE TO PROVIDE JUSTICE TO THOSE FAMILIES, HOMES, LIVES WERE DESTROYED IN INNUMERABLE ISLAMIC TERRORIST ATTACK IN INDIA"
what about the poor and innocent Indians who get killed by terrorists every day. what if they start aasking for revenge. By the same logic, they would be within their rights to do so.
Rajeev
Delhi, India
Aug 16, 2007 12:00 AM
46
"The world is watching ... whether ... India, ... can deliver to 400 million people the basic amenities of life"

oh I don't know, I think they're just fascinated by the returns on their mutual funds.

actually this author is alright compared to this other guy who said "let's raise a toast to ourselves"


http://economictimes.in...articleshow/2280480.cms


People were singing songs like "we're in the money" just around the same time as the great depression happened


http://www.google.com/s...&q=we%27re+in+the+money



and this happy cash cash cash euphoria, is it all our money? shall we just pretend that things like boom-bust cycles, bubbles, simply will not happen to us and that money that flowed in will just stay forever or only flow out on our terms?

"Foreign institutional investors investments have crossed $10 billion in the equity markets in 2007"


http://www.thehindubusi...-bin/bl.pl?subclass=328


. aug 91 - mar 07 cumulative fdi inflow: 54628 mill usd
. apr 2007 fdi inflow: 1551 mill usd


http://dipp.nic.in/fdi_...india_fdi_april2007.pdf


I don't know, I personally think economies of country like, say, denmark, make for a better model:

[unemployment was] ... 13.8% in January 1994 ... 5.2% in 2001 and is (June 2007) 3.5%


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Denmark





Arul Francis
Clayton, California
Aug 16, 2007 12:00 AM
45
I agree with RIK that this is the best article on Independence Day that I have read.

However, I take issue with Vinod Mehta (and Ramchandra Guha's) assertion that our continuing democracy has something to do with the British creations of "the army, the railways, the English language, the game of cricket". As Vinod himself acknowledges the Army actually threatens democracy - the 60/40 split of the British Indian Army between India and Pakistan doomed Pakistan to dictatorship and allowed democracy to continue in India. Also, as Vinod hints at, our diversity (similar to the US) is actually responsible for our continuing democracy. Just as the founders of the US couldn't stand to see anyone other than themselves as king and came up with a republic as the compromise, so also the powerful of India have kept democracy going as a compromise.

In case of a coup the Railways would help the Army far more than the civilans fighting for democracy. It was created to help the Army move more efficiently - the economic and social benefits, if any, were/are minor and unintended. Note that the investment in railways came with a corresponding lack of investment in roads.

The English language: the people in most African dictatorships (both the dictator as well as the public) speak English much better than the average Indian. It is more likely the lack of English skills among our population that kept us a democracy. Remember that our English language newspaper editors marched in favor of the Emergency. English has merely served as a tool for the elite to deny the majority access to power.

Finally, what did we get from cricket - sledging, racist umpiring? Every sport has rules, whether it is kho-kho, kabaddi, kushti, gilli-danda, football, or cricket.
Ashish K
Cambridge, USA
Aug 16, 2007 12:00 AM
44
And the new heroine, Prathiba Patil has also called for fighting corruption. I am all for it. Infact I am thinking of starting a financial institution to collect money to fight the menace of corruption. And I am sure our heroine will agree to be its Chairman. Relatives are welcome anytime.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Aug 16, 2007 12:00 AM
43
I had a very uneasy feeling deep in my gut reading this article. I want to celebrate the fact that so many great Indians have sacrificed their lives to give their Mother her freedom. But, something deep in me is not giving me the pleasure...happiness....or content for all those scarifies (I mean ALL) India had to make to get her independence. Today She suffers from the bonds of socio-economic problems, which are man made problems, which can be eradicated from the society, but allowed to cripple the Nations powers by all those selfish minds. Indeed, Mera Bharat Mahan hai jho abhi bhi zindha hai, despite all that’s wrong with it and all those nasty social diseases and abnormalities, it is one of the greatest powers of the world. It is very easy to sit in front of a computer and type in our patriotic views and thoughts. But how many of these writers are really interested in seeing solutions to the problems INDIA is facing? I AM. ARE YOU? I will become a cause or means to eradicate or at least try to eradicate the pests that are eating a healthy crop alive. Jai Hind!
Rajashekar
Philadelphia, United States
Aug 16, 2007 12:00 AM
42
The great Hero, Manmohan Singh has a lot of humor in him. THis is from a report

"Singh said it is essential that the delivery systems of the government, at all levels, are more efficient and purged of corruption for all the benefits of development to reach the poor"

This is the guy who had a killer in his administration. This is a guy whose famous minister is Laloo. This is the guy who turned his face the other way when the funds for Q were defreezed.

I dont know about him being a hero but he will shine as a good comedian.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Aug 16, 2007 12:00 AM
41
This is one of the most intelligent, balanced and insightful articles on the 60th anniversary of India's independence.

There have been far too many articles in the recent past in the English language media on how much progress India has made and how close it is to becoming a superpower that sometimes we tend to forget that there a huge number of unresolved questions which could seriously threaten the nation's survival.

Kudos for the article !! We should be periodically be having these reality checks
Rik
Oaks, United States
Aug 15, 2007 12:00 AM
40
How much contrast between the neighbors. This is a view taken by external sources. Granted we may not have a lot, but we do have more than we started with, something to be proud of.
http://www.guardian.co....tory/0,,2148309,00.html
Prakash
San Francisco, United States
Aug 15, 2007 12:00 AM
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Dear Sir,

“Sixty years of latitude” by Vinod Mehta dated 20.8.07 has done appreciable job exposing a few of high flying self proclaimed ambassadors of India, glorifying soon would be Superpower India, who has not been able to answer a common man’s question why Indian State even 60 years after independence has miserably failed to provide economic security, equal land distribution, corruption free environment without victimization and suppression, decentralization of powers to people at village levels, making poor stake-holders in economic development and provided them with food, shelter, employment, self respect and oppression free existence. Vinod has rightly stressed and I strongly feel that how India can think of becoming a super power when 75%of 1.1 billion citizens live on less than Rs 80 a day, 30% live on less than Rs 40 a day, 50% children get no school education; 25% of victims of commercial sexual exploitation are below 18, 1.2 million children under the age of 5 die of malnutrition every year; 90 per cent of working children live in rural India, where majority of population don’t have access to safe drinking water, proper sanitation, qualified health services, with ever increasing threat of malnutrition, tuberculosis, rabies, water bourn diseases and malaria, where majority of population suffer from anemia, worm infestation and dental diseases leading to increase mortality and morbidity. Nations development can’t be judged by growth rate, mobile phones, cars or information technology but is judged from how majority of population live, prevalence of poverty, law and order, availability of safe drinking water, sanitation, public transport, corruption and infrastructure, which show progressive deterioration, is certainly not the reason for celebrations but real brain storm thinking, where we are heading for. I strongly feel and rightly stated that if "inclusive India", instead of being a term of abuse, name-calling and contention of a few high flying power brokers, henceforth becomes the top priority of media and all political parties, the 60th birthday celebrations would have more than achieved their purpose.

Yours Sincerely,

Dr.Vitull K. Gupta MD(Medicine)
Health & Human Rights Activist,
Kishori Ram Hospital & Diabetes Care Centre, Kishori Ram Road,Basant Vihar,
Bhatinda,Punjab,India.
Ph.91-164-2215400(Hospit
al)
91-164-2253903(Home)91-94170-20903(Mobile)E
-Mail. vitull@sancharnet.in
Dr. Vitull K. Gupta MD
Bhatinda, India
Aug 15, 2007 12:00 AM
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Dear Sir,

“Sixty years of latitude” by Vinod Mehta dated 20.8.07 has done appreciable job exposing a few of high flying self proclaimed ambassadors of India, glorifying soon would be Superpower India, who has not been able to answer a common man’s question why Indian State even 60 years after independence has miserably failed to provide economic security, equal land distribution, corruption free environment without victimization and suppression, decentralization of powers to people at village levels, making poor stake-holders in economic development and provided them with food, shelter, employment, self respect and oppression free existence. Vinod has rightly stressed and I strongly feel that how India can think of becoming a super power when 75%of 1.1 billion citizens live on less than Rs 80 a day, 30% live on less than Rs 40 a day, 50% children get no school education; 25% of victims of commercial sexual exploitation are below 18, 1.2 million children under the age of 5 die of malnutrition every year; 90 per cent of working children live in rural India, where majority of population don’t have access to safe drinking water, proper sanitation, qualified health services, with ever increasing threat of malnutrition, tuberculosis, rabies, water bourn diseases and malaria, where majority of population suffer from anemia, worm infestation and dental diseases leading to increase mortality and morbidity. Nations development can’t be judged by growth rate, mobile phones, cars or information technology but is judged from how majority of population live, prevalence of poverty, law and order, availability of safe drinking water, sanitation, public transport, corruption and infrastructure, which show progressive deterioration, is certainly not the reason for celebrations but real brain storm thinking, where we are heading for. I strongly feel and rightly stated that if "inclusive India", instead of being a term of abuse, name-calling and contention of a few high flying power brokers, henceforth becomes the top priority of media and all political parties, the 60th birthday celebrations would have more than achieved their purpose.

Yours Sincerely,

Dr.Vitull K. Gupta MD(Medicine)
Health & Human Rights Activist,
Kishori Ram Hospital & Diabetes Care Centre, Kishori Ram Road,Basant Vihar,
Bhatinda,Punjab,India.
Ph.91-164-2215400(Hospit
al)
91-164-2253903(Home)91-94170-20903(Mobile)E
-Mail. vitull@sancharnet.in
Dr. Vitull K. Gupta MD
Bhatinda, India
Aug 15, 2007 12:00 AM
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ProCash, the sweet 16, from San Francisco, good article from Guha... thanx for the link... good article this from VM too...
Raj
Leipzig, Germany
Aug 15, 2007 12:00 AM
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'We at 50: Much celebrated, and a Vande Mataram from Rahman'
can't Outlook replace 50 with 60?
Rajeev
Delhi, India
Aug 15, 2007 12:00 AM
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Here is another perspective of India at 60 by a Gandhian. I hope that it provides some thought. The most important one has to notice is people like Warren Buffett. In India, we are into overdrive in capitalism where the rich get richer. Everyone was to preserve their bank account without thought to the people around them who have close to nothing. Warren Buffett, one of the most admired persons in the economic world gave away his whole life savings for charity. While a number of people in India admire Buffett for his shrewd work and would love to be him, they conveniently discard his charity. I hope that we Indians learn the art of generosity and charity.
http://www.guardian.co....tory/0,,2148286,00.html

Prakash
San Francisco, United States
Aug 15, 2007 12:00 AM
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Brilliant, Brilliant, Brilliant.
Sudhir Kumar Bisht
Delhi, India
Aug 15, 2007 12:00 AM
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I feel that muslims are part of India, but feel left out of the fanfare due to the nature of their lives. They are largely poor with no education which makes it difficult for them to participate in the democracy. Only have the muslim women can read and write. The regional disparities give good data. UP, Bihar, and WB have a total of 60 million muslims in India. Their condition in those places below the local average in literacy and jobs. If you see south india, there is a different picture. Kerala and TN have 90% enrolment of muslim students. In fact, they are better than the average in literacy and average number of kids per family in TN. Our political system needs to analyze the cause for this disparity in the south and try if possible to replicate it in the north.
Prakash
San Francisco, United States
Aug 14, 2007 12:00 AM
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BTW, it is to the credit of Outlook that inspite of the strong urging, they refused to include Kalam in the Villains list. For he was more responsible than anyone else for snookering Sonia's chances. That is a tremendous amount of guts shown by a poodle.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Aug 14, 2007 12:00 AM
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JOSEPH:

Now I understand why you write as you do. You are a drunken sod.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Aug 14, 2007 12:00 AM
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Dear Vinod,
If Islam can co-exist happily & peacefully, with others, then why this country was partitioned on the basis of religion & a separate nation for Muslims created? ( Don’t blame it only on British)
And even after that, if there is a co-existence in today's India, it's due to great tolerance & accommodativeness, Magnanimity, shown by Hindus who form the majority (& I support these good values). What happened to Hindus in east & West Pakistan 60 years ago & to the Hindus in today's Bangladesh in last 10 years? Hindus have become a tiny minority in those countries & ae still living in fear. Why the Kashmiri Hindus were persecuted from Valley & are staying as refugees in their own country?
Stop fooling people by your half-truths, untruths & plain white lies.
Abhijit Kane
Mumbai, India
Aug 14, 2007 12:00 AM
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We partitioned Hindu India to stop the killings. Now we have a full fledged muslim state in Kashmir on our hands. The extreme northern parts must have gone to Pakistan while the ones adjacent to our present Punjab should have come to India. By that India would have looked more flat headed than having a slender head precariously perched.
pear
mumbai, India
Aug 14, 2007 12:00 AM
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We partitioned Hindu India to stop the killings. Now we have a full fledged muslim state in Kashmir on our hands. The extreme northern parts must have gone to Pakistan while the once adjacent to our present Punjab should have come to India. By that India would have looked more flat headed than having a slender head precariously perched.
pear
mumbai, India
Aug 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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Narayan, it never ceases to amaze me( and I know I'm getting repetitive!) that Kashmir for some reason is always out-of-bounds when any discussion of communalism, terrorism and fundamentalism takes place. And Miss Sagarika is one of the principal culprits. The irony is that such an approach only strengthens the idea and the people behind the idea , that Kashmir is unique and different from the rest of India. Yet, isn't Kashmir supposed to be an integral and unalienable part of India? Then go the whole hog and don't view it or treat it any differently than you would Mumbai, Kolkatta, Tamil Nadu, Goa or Assam. Every Islamic terrorist attack there should be highlighted and fundamentalism exposed in the state as if you were speaking of Hyderabad. Go the distance, or don't consider Kashmir an integral part of India.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Aug 13, 2007 12:00 AM
26
"After all, the United States is as, if not more, heterogeneous than India"-

Where did he get this idea? I never heard languages other than English (and sometimes Spanish) outside the boundaries of big cities like New York. Nor did I see food tastes, traditional customs (including the Gods) so different across different parts of the country. Roads, street signs, homes, malls give similar looks all over the US. And how many non-Christians are living in the US? Do their minority religion constitute 200 million people. This is absolutely ridiculous comparison. EU would have been a better comparison.
DC
NEW YORK, United States
Aug 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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Sagarika Ghose in one of her programmes on J&K concluded it by saying that she won't mind taking a Visa to go to Kashmir than seeing everyday bloodshed in the state.
Looks like VM and his ilk has a very very tough competition on who's MORE SECULAR in the Media. Pull up your socks VM... u r not secular enough matching with the times. Prepare for the next round and add NE states, TN, WB, AP, Mumbai to the list in the course of time as & when & where killings happen.
Narayan
Zurich, Switzerland
Aug 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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There is more protein in beer than in milk. What's more, beer has fewer calories than apple juice, milk or cola and contains neither fat nor cholesterol. These claims have been made by the All India Brewer's Association. The apex body representing 42 beer manufacturers, has urged the food processing ministry to delink beer from the status of liquor and whisky, so that it can be advertised and marketed like any other product. They have argued that liquor has an alcoholic content of 42.8% while beer has only up to 7%. Beer is battling to get the status of milk. The all India Brewer's Association (AIBA) have argued in a memorandum to the government that a glass of beer contains more protein than does the same quantity of milk. Not just that. They have said that the calorie content in beer is lesser than that of a bottle of apple juice, milk or any cola. So do not club beer with hard
liquor in computing tax, argues the industry. "It has been given the status of a fast moving consumer good (FMCG) that can be traded over the counter at any departmental store", says the Vice-President and President of Shaw Wallace. "Beer distribution has to be made open as in Singapore." The industry's representation for removing beer restrictions are straight and simple: Beer is only an agri-food. Arguing that it has neither fat nor
cholesterol, the beer manufacturers' body has told the government that an average bottle of beer gives four vital minerals and five important constituents of vitamin B and proteins. Raw material for beer is malt, the same as for health drinks Maltova and Horlicks. In their representation titled 'Indian Beer Industry - Needs Policy Support'. AIBA has pitched beer as a "mild and healthy beverage", conforming to the tenets of "responsible" drinking. " Beer has to be taxed on the basis of alcoholic strength keeping levels on alcohol content as bench mark", say many of the top manufacturer's. Duties and tax account for 40% of the beer cost in India while it is of the order of 20% in US, France and Germany. They have said that the cost of one litre of beer
taken as percentage of daily income in the high
selling states of Andhra, Karnataka and Maharashtra is close to 28%. The comparable figures for US, France and Germany are less than 3%. And if India attains this level of even 15% then the beer should cost around Rs. 30 per litre(Rs. 20 per bottle). "It is a highly capital intensive business. It is not feasible for the brewers to sustain the current market pressure", says the top shots. "Brewing companies are increasingly being declared sick", they
add.
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Do not get put off by this as you imbibe your Carlsberg tonight, Mr. Ganpat Ram.

Just think of the possibilities. If Mr. Vijay Mallya has his way, and I see his imprint strongly here, India will be known as 'The Land of Beer And Honey'. We will be talking about 'The Beer Of Human Kindness' and 'Drink a Pinta Beer a Day'.

Cheers.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Aug 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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…riots can cause blasts on trains but fires on trains do not cause riots…

You hit the nail on its head Chanakya. The cause-effect and root-cause theory has been paddled all secularists from Arundhati Roy to Teesta but they fail to make a connection here. I remember an article by Jyoti Puniyani in TOI 2-3 weeks back. She sings praises for every Muslim who did not become a jehadi after the arrests of Muslims post Mumbai train blasts. Almost saying they should have, but look at their greatness, they didn’t! It’s sickening.

Javad and Shabana are extremely guarded in their response to attack on Taslima. I failed to notice any froth at the corners of their mouths. Ms. Setalvad, who rushes to carry her own ‘private investigations’ to the RSS worker’s home/office where blasts happen, and as quickly links them to the Hindu bomb, is oh-so-predictably silent on this matter. Her communalism combat talks only about Hindu communalism, never the Muslim one.

Our own Outlook published at least 3 articles about the Baroda University case, but none on this. And VM doesn’t tire preaching about journalistic standards, values and balances.
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Aug 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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Chitra:
>>
Jawaharlal Nehru diverted Indian nationalism in the post-Independence period. He did not act alone. Rather he is held most responsible for introducing the Western concept of "secularism" into Indian political culture, and this foreign concept is the real demon.
>>

Nehru and other pre-post Indian leaders must be faulted in introducing a jaundiced version of secularism, ie., equal patronage of all religions
by the state. By which it managed to pamper either one or the other religious heads while the teeming multitude remained largely unaffected.

The real secularism should have been separation of religion from the state, religion should have been relegated to the private space, which our successive govts have not done till todate.
Indranil
Kolkata, India
Aug 13, 2007 12:00 AM
21
Dinesh:
>>However, he turns a blind eye to some of the obvious blots on our country. Politicians who do not understand democracy, almost half the country under naxalites or extremists, lack of law and order in many states, and the behaviour of most Indians without any regard for others.
>>

Typical symptoms of underdevelopement. Proper industrialization, with an eye on the developement of agriculture, should largely eradicate these malaise.
Indranil
Kolkata, India
Aug 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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Rahul:
>>
bloody did it occur to you hindu-majority by very ethos are democratic..
>>

Reminds me of two of my friends (one dutch and another spanish, the latter is emerging as a very promising young scientist, with papers in nature),
who claimed the same for christianity.
Morover, none of them are practising christians
(ie. goes to church regularly etc).
Indranil
Kolkata, India
Aug 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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Jawaharlal Nehru diverted Indian nationalism in the post-Independence period. He did not act alone. Rather he is held most responsible for introducing the Western concept of "secularism" into Indian political culture, and this foreign concept is the real demon.
The theory and practice of secularism, an intra-religious evolution in the West which had no application to a multi-religious situation which always existed and existed peacefully till the invaders arrived in this great nation, resulted in greater erosion of our national identity and national consciousness than ever under the rule of the islamic invaders.
The term secular was first inserted in the preamble by the constitution (42nd Amendment)Act, 1976 when our late PM Indira ji was in power and is still continues to remain undefined. Interestingly, thanks to these so-called secular parties, the secular-communal dichotomy has extended to cover food, animals, way of greeting people and a wide range of other activities. Here are some amusing examples. Poor cow is a communal animal but a "he-goat" is a secular. "Jal" (water) is communal but "Paani" is secular. "Dhoti" (dress) is communal but "Pyjama" is secular. "Saree" is communal but "Shalwaar Kameez" is secular. Wishing a person with "Jai Sia Ram" is blatantly communal while "Good Morning or Salaam" is secular. Thus if a person clad in Dhoti greets someone after drinking Jal (water) with Jai Sia Ram he is trebly communal. This is not cynicism but deliberate mischief-mongering by the pseudo-secularist intellectuals. Islam strictly controls the entire life of a person from cradle to grave having its own inviolable code of conduct, judicial systems and norms of life-style prescribing such details as the length of the beard, shaving off mustache,design of skull cap with holes in it etc.
Miss Chitra
Mangalore, India
Aug 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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For once, I actually enjoyed reading Vinod Mehta's article, without disagreeing on even a single line! You can be balanced if you want to :)

Thanks for the article. It was indeed a pleasure reading it! Can't agree more on each statement.
N. Rishikesh
Bangalore, India
Aug 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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It is a myth that diversity propagates some kind of strength. Probably, we misunderstand the power of diversity and context. Diverisity is good for research, innovation,ideas, opinions, and discussion. Diverisities made india a weakest nation around the world. During all 3 wars with pygmy pakistan india had hard time with pakistan. Even Bangladesh is troubling us. We are not able to abrogate article 370 from kashmir due to fear of muslim backlash in kashmir. Our secular media is fooling the people.
It is scientifically proven fact that diversity creates chaos,anarchy and disorder and eventually weakness. UK ruled the world because it was a country of one language and one people. America is rulling the world because all americans speak one language and respect one religion of majority. Super Power America do not see communal tension like hindu-muslim in india. Russia fell apart because it promoted islamism under the ideology of communism.
After 60 years of independence india is emerging as a failed islamic rogue nation. President, Vice President and Prime Ministers are being electted based on their religious affiliation rather than on merits and capabilites. Indian Express reported 2 days ago that 77% indians are earning Rs20 or less per day and UPA is singing the tune of india shinning. Political leaders of UPA govt have amassed huge illegal property and black money. Goons, builders, corrupt police system, mafia dons and secular politicians have nexus amongst themselves. Our judiciary do not have guts to touch mulayam,arjun singh, lalu and their ilks.
Corrupt secular leaders are dying to grab political power by offering reservations to muslims who already got 100% reservation in the form of pakistan. Every 3rd day UPA central and state govt are making some kind of reservations for muslims. Seculars are preparing the ground when a time will come and hindus will not find a place to hide also.
Hinduism is not an organised religion. Islam ruled us for centuries due to the same weaknesses. Once again we hindus are fast moving to bebecome the slaves of minorities. Just wait and watch. Hindu well wishers like Modi,VHP, and Bajarang Dal are on the radars of anti-national secular forces.
Miss Chitra
Mangalore, India
Aug 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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The Editor of Outlook India is, Mr. Vinod Mehta, positively less negative than you are and infinitely more balanced. If Islam as you submit is stuck in a Time Warp, you are stuck in a groove.
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Aug 12, 2007 12:00 AM
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Mr Vinod Mehta has taken the easy path -- some good things and some bad. However, he turns a blind eye to some of the obvious blots on our country. Politicians who do not understand democracy, almost half the country under naxalites or extremists, lack of law and order in many states, and the behaviour of most Indians without any regard for others. These things point to the fact that we are almost a banana republic, no matter what we say. Politicians have been unable to understand that India is a great country.
Dinesh Kumar
Chandigarh, India
Aug 12, 2007 12:00 AM
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BTW, when that artist chap in Gujarat was attacked there was a flurry of articles by eminent "defenders of freedom of expression". Outlook was full of these.

But when Taslima Nasreen was attacked, there is not a drop of ink in print anywhere.

When the Gujarat police registered a case against that artist chap, everyone went to town about how the police force was / is communal in Gujarat.

But when a case is filed against Nasreen, again - silence.

The moderates in muslims made some uncomfortable noises, that's all.

No Barkha Dutt, no Saba Naqvi, no Girish Karnad, no dharnas at Jantar Mantar (or Charminar in this case) - nothing.
Chanakya
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Aug 12, 2007 12:00 AM
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Vinod Mehta says :" If India can demonstrate that 160 million Muslims can be absorbed into the national mainstream, rejecting Mr bin Laden's suicidal radicalism, to emerge as devout but non-militant citizens in an overwhelming Hindu majority state...."

Firstly, who should reject "suicidal radicalism"? India ?? The Hindu majority?? But we never believed or endorsed that in the first place. So where is the question of "rejecting it"?

Secondly, can the following be answered:

a) how do we absorb a group of people who refuse to sing the national song under the guise that it is against their religion? (Hell, "I wont sing because I dont know the words" would have been a better excuse)

b) how do you absorb a group of people who are concerned about what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians but are totally unconcerned about what is being done to their fellow countrymen by their co-religionists in Kashmir?

c) how do you absorb a group of people who riot in the streets of India because US attacked Iraq or Saddam was hanged or some Danish newspaper that they never heard of published some cartoons?

d) how do you absorb a group of people who riot when they perceive that their religion and religious symbols are attacked, but do not say a word when one of their own denigrates other religious symbols?

e) how do you absorb a group of people who think that riots can cause blasts on trains but are not willing to accept that fires on trains cause riots too?

f) how do you absorb a group of people who think that their religion is superior to other religions and that they alone would go to heaven and all others would rot in hell (or is it burn in hell), because their book says so?
Chanakya
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Aug 12, 2007 12:00 AM
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If, as you allege, Muslims wiped out Hindus and Buddhists, LBMN, how is it that Hindus constitute Sixty Four Point Two Eight Seven Per Cent Of South Asia's People?.
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Aug 12, 2007 12:00 AM
11
The socalled caste system, although misunderstood and misused politically, has also served in broadening India's growth. While 'classes' divide people in western society as middle class, lower and upper and people live by their class perceptions, in Hindu India, as also among converted chr/moslem people, the horizontal class divisions are punctured by vertical 'caste' cohesions and rivalries, hatreds. Poorest of brahmin girl in south India, may be her mom is now a cook only, would still think she can grow into another Indira Noyi, eventually, because of same 'caste', and work for that. If brahmins, driven abroad by casteist politicians, thrive there, youngsters of every other nonbrahmin caste also follow suit, in competition, irrespective of their current economic 'class' of subsistence. Despite the unfortunate commercialization of education, people utilize it and spplement it from the internet, since education is an industry in which the product being processed itself has a stake in its own quality at finish.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Aug 12, 2007 12:00 AM
10
Not a bad article by Mehta at all. Pretty balanced as far as the economic question goes. But the assertion that the US is as heterogenous as India is very false or at least sweeping. The US does not have the problem or condition of language based states. Every state in America is essentially English speaking, though containing large minorities like Hispanics and Asians. But as yet, none of these groups have established a separate state where their language predominates. The US also, as is plain to see, does not have a religious minority the size of the Moslems, who have a history of separatism and violence. After the Christians, there is no group which has enoromous numbers- not the Jews or the Moslems.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Aug 12, 2007 12:00 AM
9
Has anyone ever seen a single article in the Dawn or any other Pak paper about the forced conversions of Hindus, the destruction of their temples, forced relocation and even their murders?
But in India, the 'secular' press freely reports on any 'insult to Islam', every wrong done to Muslims etc., etc., which is a good thing. Yet while living in this 'secular' India, there are millions of Muslims who refuses to be 'Indianized', to be absorbed - who say they are first and foremost Muslims, with many among avowedly anti-India, yet refuses to go to the homeland expressedly created exclusively for them - Pakistan.
If the partition was supposedly based on the two religion concept - one state for Muslims and one for Hindus, then India got a terribly raw deal, as almost half of the Muslims stayed behind in India, while India gave away almost two-fifths of her land area (East+West Pak), not including the the huge chunk of Kashmir they still occupy and that which they 'gave away' to China. One might understand why some Indians are still a bit peeved, even after 60 years.
For India to have unity, Muslims must also see themselves as Indians, or better yet, as people first and foremost, rather than being identified by some label. A person's personal belief is exactly that - personal, he doesn't have to go around wearing his religion as a badge or some kind of ID. When each person see themself and others as just that, a person, irrespective of their religion, caste or ethnicity then perhaps one may say that she's one her way to her tryst with destiny.
Bodh
Springfield, United States
Aug 12, 2007 12:00 AM
8
"As the Ku Klux Klan used to say about Blacks in America!"

Asinine analogies from the bearded rear-end - when did the blacks even cleanse out whole populations of whites - as the sub-continental Muslims gleefully done with Hindus/Buddhists...
lookout bug me not
mumbai, India
Aug 12, 2007 12:00 AM
7
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> Do you think Hindus would mourn if the muslims left. No Sir.

As the Ku Klux Klan used to say about Blacks in America!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Aug 11, 2007 12:00 AM
6
Existence of mass poverty in India does demand practical solutions, not the least of which would be a rational and implementable program of family planning.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Aug 11, 2007 12:00 AM
5
this guy is total idiot so he asks one general and comes to that conclusion...... bloody did it occur to you hindu-majority by very ethos are democratic.. since ages of mahabharata most eligible ahead of the sons of kings have bene getting the taj....democracy seems to be perfect fit with people raised on such a staple diet of mythology..
Rahul
Delhi, India
Aug 11, 2007 12:00 AM
4
For over half a century since 1947, Indians were ashamed to be called so. Our socialist, Nehruvian regime saw to it that only the privileged had access to the 3R's. Poverty was worn on the sleeves by most of the Gandhi topiwala congressmen. It is only in the last 10 years that India is recognising itself. Of them six were the much hated BJP ruled years. Yet, Vinod Mehta couldn't resist the temptation to bring in his cheap jibe at that party (in which the incumbent was unceremoniously thrown out).

As for the 160 million Muslims of India, whether they defeat the suicidal Bin Laden or diprove the Samuel Huntingtons of the world, it is entirely upto them (the Muslims). Sixty years ago they had their dream land, the land of the pure, yet half of the Indian Muslims made the choice of not going to the land of the pure and stayed back. Now after 60 years, they have another choice: to be truly Indian or as Mr. Owaisi, the Hyderabad MLA said today on TV, to consider Islam above everything else, including the country.
B.V.SHENOY
BANGALORE, India
Aug 11, 2007 12:00 AM
3
Mr Mehta, I fail to understand why you keep bringing up the "Shining India" concept again and again. As you have yourself mentioned, the "incumbents" who were propogating the "Shining India Myth" were "unceremoniously dumped" in 2004.

So now it would be appropriate, to say that "substantial chunks of our "aam aadmi" secular republic live in sub-saharan poverty.

But you and your magazine, could do well if you could stop bashing Modi for sometime and ask your favorite Saints and Patrons in the UPA, what they have done in the past three years to make the life of the Aam Aadmi better. Then we can talk about whether we can eliminate poverty in the next seven years.

This is the government of the "aam aadmi", remember? The government where reforms have a "human face".
Chanakya
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Aug 11, 2007 12:00 AM
2
As usual Vinod Mehta lives in a bubble of his own. Where else can you come with gems such as '..... managed to hold its 14th free and fair general election in 2004 (in which the incumbent was unceremoniously thrown out)'. Weer not incumbents been thrown out in all elections since 1989..
We need to give the credit to the common man and woman of India who have managed to hold India together.
It is a shame that instead of praising the intrisic civlizationally behaviour of decmocracy, he goes on and on about all the negative aspects. I am sure he and his ilks days are numbered now. How long can you peddle the same lies day in and day out?
Rajeev
Delhi, India
Aug 11, 2007 12:00 AM
1
India has absorbed. Otherwise the khans, Sania mirzas, flourishing industrialists, shopkeepers, sportmen and a party still named muslim league would not have flourished. It is the other way round. Some do not want to be absorbed because for them religion comes first and foremost and the fear instilled among them not to go beyond. And there will always be that great wall of religion and also politics obstructing any attempts for absorption. Indians must first try to absorb the dalits. See the temple entry and village well issues.
pear
mumbai, India
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