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Cry, The Beloved Country
Our so-called secular political class and elite kept away from the observance of the anniversary of the Mumbai tragedy of 11/7/2006. Forget about flowers. Not a drop of tear. Not a word of sorrow. Not a sign of grief. Not a single expression of solidarity with the relatives of the victims.
Large sections of the nation shed tears on July 11, 2007, in memory of the 190 innocent Indians belonging to different religions who were killed a year ago in a series of explosions in suburban trains of Mumbai by jihadi terrorists inspired by the ideology of Al Qaeda. Their tears were also an expression of solidarity with the surviving relatives of these victims.

Just as millions of Americans and their leaders belonging to both sides of the political spectrum shed tears on September 11 every year in memory of the over 2,500 innocent civilians belonging to different nations who were killed by Al Qaeda in the US homeland on September 11,2001, and in solidarity with their relatives.

Just as millions of Indonesians and Australians and their political leaders shed years every year on the anniversary of the Bali bombing of October,2002, in which nearly 200 innocent civilians--Indonesians, Australians and others--were blown to pieces by jihadi terrorists.

Just as millions of Spanish people, their royal family and their political leaders shed tears every year on the anniversary of the Madrid bombing of March,2004, in which the jihadi terrorists targeted suburban trains, killing nearly 200 innocent civilians.

Just as millions of British, their royal family and their political leaders shed tears every year on the anniversary of the London bombings of July,2005, in which jihadi suicide terrorists targeted the public transportation system killing over 50 innocent civilians.

There was a significant difference between the observance of the anniversaries of these great human tragedies inflicted on humanity by the jihadi terrorists in other countries and in India.

In other countries, the head of the state or government participated in the observance of the anniversaries. On July 7, 2007, we saw on the TV touching scenes of Mr Gordon Brown, the British Prime Minister, and his wife visiting the tube stations where the terrorists struck and placing flowers at the scene of the tragedy.

In India, our so-called secular political class and elite kept away from the observance of the anniversary of the Mumbai tragedy of July 11, 2006.

Forget about flowers.

Not a drop of tear.

Not a word of sorrow.

Not a sign of grief.

Not a single expression of solidarity with the relatives of the victims.

I did not write this article yesterday because I waited to see whether our Prime Minister would fly to Mumbai and lead the people of the nation in remembering the innocent Indians--men, women and children--who were blown to pieces by the jihadi terrorists last year. I was convinced in my mind that he would not. Still, I was hoping that he would prove me wrong by participating in the observance of the anniversary. He didn't.

Why didn't he?

Busy dealing with grave crises confronting the nation?

No.

Lack of time?

No.

Bad weather?

No.

He did not attend because he was worried the Muslims might misunderstand.

He did not attend because he was worried that any public expression of sorrow for those blown up by the jihadi terrorists might be misinterpreted by the Muslims as stigmatising their community.

A few weeks after the Mumbai blasts of July 11, 2006, I had been to Kolkata to attend a conference. One of the eminent participants told me that a few days after the blasts there was a meeting in the Raj Bhawan chaired by the governor of West Bengal to discuss some other subject. One of the participants proposed that they observe a two-minutes' silence in memory of those killed in Mumbai.

The governor ruled his suggestion out of order.

Why?

Lest the Muslims misinterpret it as stigmatising their community.

Jihadi terrorists can go on indulging in one act of mass casualty terrorism after another.

But, according to our so-called secular political class and elite, we should not talk about it or even cry about it.

Our anger, our tears, our exasperation at the failure of the government to deal with them might be seen by the Muslims as stigmatising their community.

How many acts of jihadi terrorism we have had in India since the present government came to power in Delhi in 2004?

Delhi, Varanasi, Mumbai, Malegaon, Bangalore, Samjhota Express, Hyderabad.

Shri Shekhar Gupta, the Editor-in-Chief of the Indian Express, in a recent article drew attention to a fact to which I have been drawing attention in my writings for over a year. There has been no satisfactory progress in any of these investigations.

In the past, our Police might have been criticised in some instances for its inability to prevent acts of terrorism, but it had generally received very high praise for its successful investigation.

We all felt proud of the Mumbai Police of the 1990s recently when the case relating to the Mumbai blasts of March,1993, in which about 250 innocent civilians were blown up by jihadi terrorists, ended in conviction. There were many other cases in which too the Mumbai Police of the 1990s had covered itself with credit.

So too the Delhi Police.

So too the Police of other cities.

Why there is a perception now that they are not as good as they were in the 1990s?

Has there been a deterioration in their competence?

No. In the 1990s, they received the full backing of the political leadership of those years, which took active interest in the investigation.

The political leadership of those years did not give sermons to the police not to do anything which might be viewed by the Muslims as stigmatising or targeting their community.

It refrained from inhibiting a thorough investigation through such sermons.

The political leadership of the past provided leadership and guidance. It took active interest in the investigation. It was determined that the guilty will be brought to book, even if they be Muslims.

The political leadership of today gives sermons and no leadership. It avoids active monitoring and supervision of the investigation lest the Muslims misunderstand.

I was in service at the height of terrorism in Punjab and Jammu & Kashmir under leaders like Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi and Narasimha Rao.

They never gave sermons.

I had never heard expressions like "stigmatising a community" or "targeting a community" etc coming out of their mouth.

In the past, we used to accuse Western countries of following double standards in counter-terrorism because of their reluctance to co-operate with us.

We accused them of adopting an over-legalistic approach in order to avoid co-operating with us.

Since the botched-up London and Glasgow terrorist strikes by a joint Arab-Indian jihadi cell, we have been guilty of the same sins of commission and omission which we attributed to the West in the past.

Much of the initial leads about the Indian participants and their jihadi background before they migrated to the UK came from the Karnataka Police. It is they who were the first to identify the man who drove the car, which crashed into the Glasgow airport, as Kafeel Ahmed, an Indian national.

They were also the first to identify him as an aeronautical engineer and not a doctor.

They were also the first to establish that he became Wahabised in Bangalore and not in London, Belfast, Cambridge or Glasgow. He was not infected in the UK. He carried the jihadi infection to the UK from India.

Leaders of the Indian Muslim community are worried that digging out the truth might lead to a stigmatisation of the Indian Muslims abroad.

They express their concern to the so-called secular political leadership. What does it do?

Till recently, our Prime Minister was giving sermons to our police and intelligence agencies not to do anything, which might be viewed by the Muslims as stigmatising their community.

Now, he calls up Mr Gordon Brown and gives him a sermon about the importance of not doing anything which might stigmatise the Muslim community.

The Australian Police want some quick check-up about the antecedents of an Indian Muslim doctor from Bangalore under interrogation by them. He is related to one of the Indian perpetrators of the London and Glasgow attempts and had lived with them in the UK before migrating to Australia.

What do we do?

The Central Bureau of Investigation gives them a sermon about the importance of making their request through proper channel.

Just as the Western Police and intelligence agencies used to tell us in the past when we asked for a quick check-up of a terrorism-related information.

New Delhi is afraid that any over-enthusiasm by our police and investigative and intelligence agencies in co-operating with the British and Australian investigators making preliminary enquiries about the suspected Indian Muslims might be viewed by the Indian Muslim community as stigmatising them.

So, the message is: Drag your feet in co-operating with the British and Australians.

The sensitivities and feelings of the Muslims are more important than saving innocent civilians--whether in India, the UK or Australia--by exposing the jihadi iceberg and neutralising it before it is too late.

We shed tears for the victims of last year's Mumbai explosions yesterday.

Let us shed tears for ourselves today for having the misfortune of having a government for which the feelings of the Muslims are more important than saving the lives of innocent civilians from the continued depredations of the jihadi terrorists. 


B. Raman is Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, government of India, New Delhi, and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical Studies, Chennai. E-mail:itschen36@gmail.com )


 
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HAVE YOUR SAY
Nov 28, 2008 12:00 AM
57
Mr. Raman,
Sir you do every Indian proud by asking and pointing out what should be common sense.
Kudos also to Abhijit Kane for laying out the fact that in "Secular" India there is no place for "Indians". We may have 1 billion people living in this country but there are only handfuls of Indians amongst us. May we wake up before its too late or else the rogue elements amongst us, and they exist in large numbers, will make us a :Secular" country that would mean we'll have every religion except Hindusim in this country. Italy's takeover of India seems almost complete.
escoss
delhi, India
Aug 04, 2007 12:00 AM
56
Prakash,

>> One of the big problems with Islam as a faith is that it is impossible to criticize it or change portions of it.

It is a problem. A lot however has been said in criticism in books and articles over the past couple of decades than many people realize. More freedom of speech and free thought are a priority. Fatwas calling for harm to dissidents should be designated as crimes punishable by law.

>> The Koran cannot be read in any method except in Arabic, it cannot be amended, changed etc.

Translations are freely available. Reforms should be brought about as they were brought about in Christianity and Hinduism, not by altering the scriptures, but by reinterpreting them in light of present knowledge, and putting those portions on the back burner which are too obscure or obsolete.

>> However, I do not see any big leader of Islam suggesting even a simple change in Islam.

There are no big leaders in Islam, but some very bright writers are subtly having an impact. A lot can be done as long as words like "amend" and "change" are not used.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Aug 04, 2007 12:00 AM
55
This is a response to GF. One of the big problems with Islam as a faith is that it is impossible to criticize it or change portions of it, unlike Judaism, Hinduism or Christianity. The Koran cannot be read in any method except in Arabic, it cannot be amended, changed etc. This is going to be a problem in the long run as all religion needs reformation from time to time. Christianity went through major changes. People of different faith criticize Christianity, Judaism or Hinduism, however no one tries a Jihad due to that. However, if someone criticizs Islam, they are in big trouble. I am looking at it from an atheistic perspective. If Raja Ram Mohan Roy could look at the bad practices in Hinduism like Sati and suggest corrections, it is a welcome suggestion. However, I do not see any big leader of Islam suggesting even a simple change in Islam. This gang mentality needs to go away before any one gives any religion its respect.
Prakash
San Francisco, United States
Jul 18, 2007 12:00 AM
54
Guys, here we are not talking about how muslims would feel had the Prime Minister gone to Bombay because terrorism doesn't know religion! This is relevant to all of us - Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Jews, Buddhists... have I left out any other religion?
All of us, Indians, should have stood up in silence on that day and paid homage to all the victims.
Dr. RN Iyengar
Washington, United States
Jul 17, 2007 12:00 AM
53
Sir Mr.Raman,thanks.Thanks for what i too wanted to say.
PI.

http://theprudentindian.wordpress.com/
prudent Indian
delhi, India
Jul 16, 2007 12:00 AM
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What is this article talking about? Is it the anniversary of the Mumbai Train bombings? You mean, the bombings, which had happened in "ancient times" a whole year ago? Don't we all know that this is a SECULAR Country
In SECULAR India the only anniversary worth observing is "Babri Demolition" & it was being done here ritually every year till recently. After all, one nondescript mosque, (which even according to Islam is not a mosque, as it was not used for prayer for more than a decade), is much more sacred than a few Hundred Human lives!!!!!
Do u remember our great PM's reaction JUST AFTER THE BLAST? Any other nationalist Patriot PM worth his salt would have said, "We will be on the hot pursuit of the perpetrators of this heinous act & catch them from their hideouts & bring them to justice".
But our PM is a true simple humble Gandhian who goes by the Teachings of the Mahatma, which says violence begets violence & love begets love.
So our Lovely PM announced with all his might ……. Hold Your Breath ……., " We will not allow this cowardly act to derail the peace process with Pakistan"!!!!!. A huge round of applause for the PEACE. Bachche log ek haath se taali bajaao.
Even after the Glasgow bombing our PM, true Gaandhian that he is, said that he could not sleep thinking about the plight of the family members of the alleged Bomber..
And you expect him to observe the anniversary of 200 deaths & 800 injuries ONE WHOLE YEAR down the line? How foolish? How Naive? & How Communal?

Abhijit Kane
Mumbai, India
Jul 16, 2007 12:00 AM
51
Excellent article. The UPA (PM and Sonia mainly) have completely surrendered India to Jihadi Terrorists.
brp
kolkata, india
Jul 16, 2007 12:00 AM
50
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> So the communists under Stalin should have criticised themselves, and the Nazis should have criticised Hitler.

Communism and Nazism are not religions. They are political doctrines. How come you are so ignorant?

>> Hindus do it all the time. So do Christians.
Dan Brown has written about the mumbo jumbo in
Christianity.

Exactly my point.

>> dont you think its a bit nutty for a grown up man quoteing a 7th century text.

I have heard many folks quoting texts that are much older. And they were all grown-up. In your desperation to say something insulting about Islam, you are making a fool of yourself, but that is alright with me.

>> Its people with such religious delusions who are a danger to society.

It is stupid bigots like you who are a menace, but luckily you are too stupid to be dangerous.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jul 15, 2007 12:00 AM
49
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> I had even thought that muslims could get consolidated in ministates, and rule themselves,
and be out of the political scene.

You are talking of massive movements of populations against their will. It was tried in South Africa. As I have told you before, your ideas are asinine and the works of an idle brain.

>> All along the muslims in India did
not protest what was happening across the border.

Nor did the Hindus. Muslims tend to protest on some very limited issues connected with Muslim interests. Hindus should have protested regarding the treatment of Pakistani Hindus. You cannot expect Muslims to protest for everybody.

>> the holy prophet killed all the men, and took the women as slaves.

That's a lie. But I suppose you just can't help lying.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jul 15, 2007 12:00 AM
48
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> and as a result there is a great revulsion against it.

You will meet many Muslims who have great revulsion to other religions also. I do not agree with them.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jul 15, 2007 12:00 AM
47
Honest and purposeful politics for development cannot take place in India, so long as the moslems operate as a one-block votebank strategically voting to ensure that the most antinational candidate wins in each constituency.
Their eyes are not on 'Mother India', an amSa of 'Mother Uma'; but on mother 'Umma' on the earth and the 'virgins' in heaven.

We have to do to moslems in India, who do not identify with India, what Pakistan has done to minorities there, who cannot identify with its 'islamic' republic: make them a separate group voting separately for a fixed quota of members in all legislatures and the parliament, in proportion their fraction of the Indian population at the time of independance, around 10%. The remnant can vote for a democratic India, while moslems can vote for an 'islamic' India within India. Moslems themselves can represent moslems, instead of casteist anti-hinduism hindus using them as votebanks and being dectated by moslem interests only, in internal governance, and now in foreign policy, as well.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 15, 2007 12:00 AM
46
There are no real 'indians' left any more. Hindus have become 'castians', christians have become 'churchians', moslems the 'jihadians', the sikhs mainly 'politicians', the parsis and jains, the 'businessmen'. Hence, no one cares for 'indian' lives lost, especially when there is heavy surplus of that 'commodity'.

Things can improve only if greedy scoundrels are prevented from making politics their 'business' model for making money. Only those who have or made enough money for their family needs, declare their wealth, and are willing convert their assets into govt bonds, should be accepted for contest as MLAs or MPs or appointment as ministers etc.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 15, 2007 12:00 AM
45
Ganpat/Bagi,

>> Indeed GF said he could not see the need of
all that Brouhaha.

Do you read my posts at all or are you just retarded? I said I wish the anniversary had been celebrated, but if it was not, THAT should not have become an occasion for the brouhaha that Raman created. See the difference?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jul 14, 2007 12:00 AM
44
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> And today no one would write about the dark side of Islam- which the right thinking people like GF and friends are so keen to hide.

People should debate on the weaker aspects of one's own religion. Bigots maliciously impugn the religions of others.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jul 14, 2007 12:00 AM
43
Moslems are forever reacting or indulging in terror in the name of 'struggle', rather than being visionary and progressive.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Jul 14, 2007 12:00 AM
42


More World news
British Cabinet minister urges a foreign policy built on cooperation, not force


By Robert Barr
ASSOCIATED PRESS

11:24 a.m. July 13, 2007

LONDON – A British Cabinet minister said a nation's strength depends on alliances not military might, but Prime Minister Gordon Brown denied on Friday that his government was shifting its foreign policy away from the United States.
Newspaper reports in Britain on Friday suggested the speech by International Development Secretary Douglas Alexander was a subtle critique of President Bush's policies.

The Times described Alexander's speech to the Council on Foreign Relations on Thursday as “a series of coded criticisms of American foreign policy.” The Guardian detected “the first clear signs” that Brown, who became prime minister two weeks ago, would reorder Britain's foreign policy.

“In the 20th century, a country's might was too often measured in what they could destroy,” Alexander said, according to a transcript of his speech.

“In the 21st century, strength should be measured by what we can build together. And so we must form new alliances, based on common values, ones not just to protect us from the world, but ones which reach out to the world.”

Brown denied Friday the speech was intended as a criticism of the Bush administration. His spokesman, Michael Ellam, said British media had misrepresented the content.



http://www.signonsandie...13-1124-britain-us.html


When Mr. Douglas Alexander says it, it is a profundity. When, Joseph said the same thing three years earliers and say it dail, he is an idiot according to the like of JASH. I wish JASH spen more time on introspection rather than spewing bilge.
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Jul 14, 2007 12:00 AM
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This is especially for you, Mr. Ganpat Ram.

Pope: Other denominations not true churches

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19692094/?GT1=10150


Do you remember that reading, riting and rithmetic thing, Mr. Ganpat Ram?. Well after the ubiquitous PC and the surfeit of information available on the Internet, I have added researching and turned it into "The Four Rs". As for rithmetic, I am still with as I help out under-privileged young boys at our local Don Bosco Home in the subject.

I wish that some of the observations here were checked for veracity and balance. Most people here spew hate, hate against Pakistanis, hate against Muslims and hate against Islam. Sad.
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Jul 14, 2007 12:00 AM
40
We look at Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, London, New York, every day courtesy of Network Television.

Have you ever bothered to think that what is happening there are the net result of the short-sighted, deceitful policies of the West?. Newton was an infinitely wiser person. He talked about Action and Reaction. This is some thing the West fails to grasp. Live and let live is far more productive than chasing a ghost called terrorism. These are wars for a cause or just plain reaction.
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Jul 14, 2007 12:00 AM
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Congress Party of India headed by a man so servile and lacking self-respect that he has become a dirty puppet in the hands of demons like Arjun Singh and Ram Vilas Paswan. These two demons in turn Heil Sonia and lick her boots. Yet all of them have one clear-cut goal: Cling to power at any cost, come what may. Be it downgrading and destroying the ethos and goodwill of Hindus through pandering to chimera of Muslim alienation or their "hurt" sentiments or dividing and re-dividing the society on caste lines and cementing the divide to such rigorous length that the Hindu society never stands up.
As a Muslim I am alarmed that when you downgrade Hindus and Hindusim you are downgrading and destroying the walls of the security of all of us. PEACE AND HAPPINESS CAN COME ONLY WHEN ALL RELIGIOUS GROUPS UNITE AND WORK TOGETHER. SADLY THIS IS AN ANATHEMA TO CONGRESS POLITICIANS EVER SINCE THIS UNFORTUNATE COUNTRY GAINED HER INDEPENDENCE. ALL OF THE CONGRESS BUNCH OF TRAITOROUS MEN AND WOMEN ARE DEADLY IN THEIR NEFARIOUS ACTIVITIES. THESE PEOPLE ARE CREATING HELL ON EARTH!!!
shakeel
hyderabad, India
Jul 14, 2007 12:00 AM
38
>> Dear Ghulambhai,but you havent answered me or seems avoiding answering to 'why the muslims are killing the muslims to achive thier set goals'.

I have, twice. Please don't ask me the same question again.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jul 14, 2007 12:00 AM
37
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> You are quite unpertubed when nonmuslims are killed.

You have a knack for missing the point being discussed. And, BTW, both Hindus and Muslims were killed in the Mumbai train blast.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jul 14, 2007 12:00 AM
36
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> MMS govt of being scared to
say any thing that may annoy the M,s.

What could he say? He is the Prime Minister. He is not a ranter in a forum.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jul 14, 2007 12:00 AM
35
Sariputra/Bodepudi,

>> To call Hindus fascist is worse thanTo call Hindus fascist is worse than Goebbellean lies Goebbellean lies.

I would never call Hindus fascists. I do however call bigots with Hitlerian plans and fanciful distortions of history like yourself fascistic and dangerous. Would lunacy be an extenuating circumstance? Not any more than in Hitler's case.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jul 14, 2007 12:00 AM
34
Vinod,

>> The law of the lands were always been opposed by the Muslims for obvious reasons.

I have corrected you on this before, but it seems you ask questions but do not read the answers. Muslims obey the same laws that you do. They however follow their own Personal and Family Laws, which are just a tiny part of the laws we all follow. These laws do need reform. The question of UCC seems to have been dropped by all political parties as a hot potato, except that the BJP who will bring it up before every election, then drop it like a hot potato.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jul 14, 2007 12:00 AM
33
Ganpat Baba:

I am amazed you still don't see that it is because of the lack of empathy between Hindus, caused by the thousands of years of mutual alienation derived from caste identity, that makes it impossible for Hindus to unite even to save their very existence - as we see so graphically in the case of popular and governmental apathy in the face of jihadi terrorism. So to say the caste problenm is solved is like saying a patient is cured of cholera when it is about to kill him.

No use lamenting like Raman, really, over Hindu apathy. Caste has doomed the Hindus to a jihadi-dominated future.

As for Jeremy, his views are usually the same as mine - he is a Liberal Muslim like me, which means we are both Liberal Hindus. He counts himself as a Brahmin, though, because he says his thick hide is proof of it and he is also a vegetarian. He croaks his greetings to you.

How is life in the walrus meat packing plant?
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Jul 14, 2007 12:00 AM
32
Ganpat Baba:

I am amazed you still don't see that it is because of the lack of empathy between Hindus, caused by the thousands of years of mutual alienation derived from caste identity, that makes it impossible for Hindus to unite even to save their very existence - as we see so graphically in the case of popular and governmental apathy in the face of jihadi terrorism. So to say the caste problenm is solved is like saying a patient is cured of cholera when it is about to kill him.

No use lamenting like Raman, really, over Hindu apathy. Caste has doomed the Hindus to a jihadi-dominated future.

As for Jeremy, his views are usually the same as mine - he is a Liberal Muslim like me, which means we are both Liberal Hindus. He counts himself as a Brahmin, though, because he says his thick hide is proof of it and he is also a vegetarian. He croaks his greetings to you.

How is life in the walrus meat packing plant?
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Jul 14, 2007 12:00 AM
31
Sad indeed! Very,very sad! First, that the blasts took place, then the fact that we did not punish the criminals nor take steps that have made the country safer, then that the powers that be did not even remember the innocents who died nor those who were left behind weeping, and finally, that here we are arguing about things which will not change things an iota.Rather than us arguing in this forum,we should be collectively goading our government to get really tough with the terrorists and this includes their mentors across our borders. I too remember frantically trying to reach Mumbai on hearing about the blasts and the hour it took me to get thru' felt like a eternity.I thank God that no one I knew was affected and, believe me, I did remember the day and did say a silent prayer for my innocent compatriots who lost their lives and prayed for patience for them who suffered the irrepariable loss. And to the day when all Indians unite as fine human beings bound by goodness and patriotism, O Lord! may my beloved country awake!.
Azeem Taqi
Nashville, United States
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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"In other countries, the head of the state or government participated in the observance of the anniversaries. On July 7, 2007, we saw on the TV touching scenes of Mr Gordon Brown, the British Prime Minister, and his wife visiting the tube stations where the terrorists struck and placing flowers at the scene of the tragedy.
In India, our so-called secular political class and elite kept away from the observance of the anniversary of the Mumbai tragedy of July 11, 2006." Raman

Because, India is ruled by the Congress "secular" fascists, who have colluded with the Islamic fascists, unde a foreign-born-ALL anti-Hindu(and anti-Indic).

"secula" fraud perpetrated by theCongress-Muslim-Al Queda mafia is far more dangerous than Fascism
since here the Hindu eyes are blindfolded and both hands are tied. How can Hindus wage a war against the Muslim terror and win?

Congress, Muslim msafia and the Al Queda are fully aware that Muslims are growing at twice the rate of Hindus. They are fully aware that soon, in about 6 decades, India will be a Muslim majority country. Then onwards, the Hindu disintegration will be faster. Imagine, their Varanasi is bombed while Muslims are still a minority! Their fate will be sealed, as of those in previous Islamic genocides that killed millions of their Hindu-Buddhist ancestors.

Why still call Indic cities by the killer-Muslim names? Why Allaha Bad, Hydera Bad, Secundera Bad, Adila Bad, Ahmeda Bad-All BAD, when Hindus are still a majority? This is what "secular" fascism is all about. This is why Gandhi and nehru were dangerous for India as a nation and the Indics as a heritage, howsoever their idiotic their personalities might have been.

We want an Indic (against the Abrahamic heritage)
India where Muslims will have similar rights and responsibilities, and as a ratio in total population, as minorities in Saudi Arabia. Certainly no more.

To call Hindus fascist is worse than Goebbellean lies. How many millions of Muslims had been killed genocidally the Indics and where? How many were raped? How much of the Muslim land had been stilen by the Hindu terrorists and when and where? How many mosques were destroyed by the Hindus? How many hundreds of thousands of Mullahs had been killed by the Hindu fanatics? Even If all this had taken place, still Hindus will not be called fadscist since it would all have a reaction to serial Muslim terror and genocides, unabated since 712.

sariputra
Chicago, United States
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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You are still shyig away from telling the truth B Raman. And that is - THIA GOVERNMENT IS A BASTRAD
rajkumar
bangalore, India
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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Kiran Bagachi,

I am glad for your daughter. I can imagine what you must have gone through. My son was in Manhattan on 9/11. He was again in London when the subway trains were blown up.

The people who protested indiscriminate arrests in Mumbai after the train blasts are not necessarily seculars. There is a general feeling among Muslims, right or wrong, that Mumbai Police are anti-Muslim and round up Muslims without sufficient cause, and then subject them to third-degree questioning including truth serum tests which are considered invalid in America and most Western countries. Many Muslims believe, rightly or wrongly, that these blasts are the work of right wing Hindus who want to create Hindu-Muslim riots like the Gujarat pogroms. However flimsy Muslim beliefs may or may not be, they are no flimsier than the grounds on which some of the police arrests are made. The truth cannot lie all on one side. While police work must not be obstructed, police excesses should not be tolerated.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
27
Mr Raman wants to remember all the tragedies.Let me also list a few important ones to remember that happened before this event:Gandhi's assasination by a RSS thug;Sikh genocide in Delhi;Muslims genocide in Gujarat;Babri Masjid demolition etc.,
nasar
Raleigh, USA
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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"There has been no satisfactory progress in any of these investigations."

Thats half truth. Considerable progress was made by the Mumbai police. Police went public with the charge that ISI had a hand in the blasts. But then the NSA publicly contradicted the bombay police and said saying such things would upset the peace process. And so the case was killed so that the peace process can be saved.

So dont blame the investigators. We know who did it. There is nothing more to investigate. But the weasel Manmohan does not want to pursue the case. ANd we had some shameful articles in Outlook where it discovered a rogue ISI and a benign ISI. The whole country is in a secular mode. And the price is going to be huge. Just remember the politics of the 80's. And where it lead. We are seeing the repeat of 80's. ANd for muslims, the end result this time is going to be far worse-unless they change course and force the seculars to change course.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
25

No more comments. A waste of time. Indians most pathetic bunch of people in the world- except for honorable exceptions like Sikhs.

The BONGS are however the most spineless people on earth. 18 horsemen of Bhatikyar Khalji was enough for the raja to flee his palace.

So cowardly, that decided to change their religion to Islam to save their skin - when the rest of India so famously resisted.

Hence, we have the BONG island called Bangladesh surrounded by Hindus.
sandy
Mumbai, India
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
24
I cannot believe this article got published in OL, I was checking the URL atleast twice when I read this very good piece from Raman. Can some1 confirm if this article is in the hard-copy also.

He has signed off quite nicely >>> "Let us shed tears for ourselves today for having the misfortune of having a government for which the feelings of the Muslims are more important than saving the lives of innocent civilians from the continued depredations of the jihadi terrorists"

Kudos to Raman for having the guts to say this, finally.
Narayan
Zurich, Switzerland
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
23
Its not just the secularist pseuds who are so disgustingly cavalier in their contempt for innocent lives when it comes to winning minority votes - or simple couldn’t be bothered.

Sept 2004, Anyone in India at the time of the Beslan carnage in S Russia ,where more than 300 schools kids, kept in confinement for days in their undergarments and without food or water blasted to bits by Jehadis ..this hardly found a mention in the Indian English media. DEATHLY SILENCE OF THE SECULARIST PSEUDS. News tucked away so as not to "offend".

April 2001, 16 unarmed BSF jawans who had gone for a peace to exchange villagers, caught, tortured and murdered by the Bangladesh Rifles (BDR), their bodies dragged through the fields. NOT A SQUEAL FROM DELHI (the BJP in power then). Again tucked away by the Eng media, with security experts even commenting that India shd not "over react" lest the India-friendly begum in Bongo desh might lose the elections !!

Kargil, now a forgotten war. The widows of the heroes who gave up their lives in saving the dregs of society in the Parliament attack, not even compensated!! Forget flowers ..

Leftist brigade condemn “SALVA JUDUM” ..but when dozens of village self-defence forces slaughtered – not a word. Suitable maybe under “News in brief”.

The Jehadis, with their tactical allies, the pseudo-secular leftist political class and their lackeys in the media and the self-serving “activist” class are going to find carrying out a Jehad in India is not after all that difficult …no need for jehadi clerics in India to flee in burqa and high heels as happened in Lal Masjid .
sandy
Mumbai, India
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
22
My daughter was on a local train that evening. For half an hour after I heard about the blasts, I couldn’t contact her. I died many deaths for those 30 minutes before she walked home. I was one of the lucky ones though. 2 of her friends reached home in body bags.

When the culprits were suspected to be Muslims and the police raided some Muslim localities and rounded some of the suspects for questioning, the p-sec brigade was up in arms against targeting a particular community. The simple logic that if you are looking for jackals, you go to jungles and not cities, was lost on them. The PM and the politically correct but morally bankrupt politicians spectacularly buckled under pressure. Now even after 1 year, the investigation is not going anywhere. It wont go anywhere for another 10 years.

And Farukhnama concludes that the article is inflammatory. Probably truth is always politically incorrect.
Kiran Bagachi
mumbai, India
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
21
Do the dead have any religion? The bodies have gone on 7/11 , the main mischief maker of all problems. The souls must be remembered, which has no religion at all. So we must have a memorial service for the souls which departed the body. Nahi understand kartha hai , yeh simple logic. Kya insaan hai , yeh UPA wale
gajanan
Sydney, Australia
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
20
None of the newspapers that I have been reading have mentioned anything about who did or did not attend the ceremonies in Mumbai. There does not seem to be any hue and cry about it in the national press, although it may have appeared or will appear in parivar organs. Nor do I remember anniversary celebrations of other terrorist attacks being attended by the Prime Minister or other senior leaders of the government. Last year, as far as I can remember, both the President and the Prime Minister visited separately the site of the Mumbai blasts to pay their respects to the deceased. What made Raman now to use this occasion to write an emotional diatribe and to smear the Prime Minister and the present government is not at all clear. I do not think it was worthy of him to do so.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
19
Mr. Raman,
What is the use of all this, the writings, you know it and we know it, in India, intellectuality does not mean anything. Why are you crying, all sensible people have dry eyes, we have been seeing it and it will NEVER change. ANyways, nice article, but nothing can be done. What can you one do, If congress goes , MODI comes in, who does not even feel slight in letting loose goons to rape and kill women and children, Lallo comes in with Shabuddin's, Mayawati comes with her own godforsaken ideas about social revolutions, which even she does not have any idea it will lead to, Mulayam comes in with his political goons, where do we go and what do we do. Nothing, we thought Manmohan would do something, he is learned and intellectual, so much for intellectuality. So Sir,forget it, learn to live and then die with it. no one is saying the all Muslims are terrorists, but we want all those people, irrespective of religion, should brought to justice because this would set a new trend, a new society. But this will never happen, we know it.
Jatinder
Vancouver, Canada
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
18
>> Looks like MMS was catching up on his sleep , which he lost after seeing relatives of terroists cry on tv.

Funny, though sad.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
17
>> There may be valid reasons why some of the leaders could not attend.

Nonsense. It is not that this date suddenly sprung up on them. They knew about it for an year.

Plans of people like the PM, and super PM and all others with high security are made well in advance. There are things like security arrangements, travel plans etc. which are coordinated well in advance.

Had something been planned, and canceled at the last minute due to some unforseen development, such an excuse would have held water. Otherwise, it is a pathetic attempt at trying to justify an obnoxious act.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
16
Vinod,

>> the pathetic condition of Indian secularism is for every one to see.

Nothing to do with secularism. Among the people killed in the train blast were Hindus and Muslims, seculars and Hindutvawadis. There may be valid reasons why some of the leaders could not attend. To say that they did not attend because they did not want to upset their vote bank is totally baseless and mischievous. Raman has done a serious disservice by demagoguing the issue.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
15
>> Its true that MMS government, Sonia Maino, all
Congress governments, Communists, all the secular parties have kept quiet. It was a major tragedy. 187 people killed, 890 injured, some for life

For a party that never forgets to remember the "martyrdom" of members of the first family, such selective amnesia is particularly sad.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
14
>> Very unfair, speculative and inflammatory article.

Such responses are the reason the govt is afraid to do anything.

>> The Prime Minister has the dual responsibility to ensure thorough police work, and to lend full support to the peace-loving and law-abiding citizenry, which is the bulk of all communities. MMS did so admirably well.

Can you cite any examples of the former?

Also, I am tired of hearing that the bulk/majority of any community is peace loving. We have no way of knowing it. The best we can say is that the majority is silent. While they silently approve or disapprove the actions of the fringe, we have no way of knowing.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
13
>> The majority of the culprits were Muslims, but were they the ones who were apprehended?

This can be said about any crime.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
12
L K ADVANI WAS THE ONLY PERSON TO ATTEND A MEMORIAL SERVICE IN MUMBAI.NO OTHER LEADER FROM ANY OTHER PARTY GAVE A DAMN.IT IS REALLY SHAMEFUL.SARDAR MANMOHAN SINGH HAS SIMPLY GIVEN
UP ON TERRORISM.THAT ITALIAN BITCH CALLED SONIA AND THE ANTI-NATIONAL COMMUNIST ARE ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CURRENT SITUATION.THE COMMUNISTS AND PSEUDO SECULARISTS ARE WORSE THAN TERRORISTS AND SHOULD ALL BE KILLED.
shriprasad
hyderabad, India
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
11
And the expectation of Raman is quite naive. This is the govt that has dishonoured those brave men who died defending the parliament(and the worthless creatures inside). The families returned the medals and the govt did not bad an eyelid. But then this is the shameless govt Indians deserve who keep voting for such people. WHy blame Manmohan?
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
10
"Let us shed tears for ourselves today for having the misfortune of having a government for which the feelings of the Muslims are more important than saving the lives of innocent civilians from the continued depredations of the jihadi terrorists. "

Oh OH. Look who is talking. This is the same guy who opposes close relations with US and Israel on the grounds that will alienate mulsims in India.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
9
The Prime Minister should have lead a memorial service on that day. He need not give sermons or anything like that. Just lead prayers with sections of the people, atleast give solace to the victims relatives and give a healing touch. Silently walk where Kalam walked ( Is UPA govt afraid to walk where Kalam walked last year? are they so petty minded, ego bloated as not to walk where Kalam has walked before. What a bunch of nitwits. At least by walking thru where Kalam walked last year would have raised their consciouness that once a human being is dead the rubber stamp of religion is invalid and inapplicable. It would have a gone a long way in healing and doing a simple act of memorial service. Instead of choosing to have memorial service to the vanquished souls , the government of India bowed to such low levels of indecency and spinelessness. Why , Cry My beloved country!! . Weep and Mourn my Beloved Indians.

gajanan
Sydney, Australia
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
8
India is a strange country. All along, we ourselves are whitewashing or or glorifying the attrocities committed on us by the outsiders for 1000 years. Can we imagine China to have a Italian "super president or super prime minister" ? We are labelled fascist when we oppose Sonia to be our PM . Nobody can save this country.
jaleel
luknow, India
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
7

The sensitivities and feelings of the Muslims are more important than saving innocent civilians--whether in India, the UK or Australia--by exposing the jihadi iceberg and neutralising it before it is too late.


Not at all. It is the Muslim votes that is important and that is the only important thing.
jaleel
luknow, India
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
6
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> Gf claims to know all about all religions in the world.

I claim to know how ignorant you are of your wife's religion and even of your own religion!

>> one of the purposes of the article was to say how last years bomb blast anniversary
was ignored.

I wish it was remembered, but I would not make such a sentimental brouhaha about it , as Raman has done, even stealing the title from Alan Paton. It was inappropriate because Paton's book is about social protest against the structures of the society that would later give rise to apartheid.


Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
5
Viveka,

The majority of the culprits were Muslims, but were they the ones who were apprehended?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
4
Betcha my bottom dollar, Ghulam, ALL perpetrators of the listed Indian terrorist attacks since 2004 are Muslims. That is the present-day reality.

Every such attack reminds me of _Saudi-funded lavish_ roadside mosques and madrassas that crop up in a particular remote hinterland of central India. It starts there.

I'm also intelligent enough to have a sense of proportion: each attack was carried out by a few dozen Muslims, logistically backed up by a few hundred and quietly encouraged in localities of lakhs of Muslims.. BUT STILL SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN the hundreds of millions of Muslims in India.

The last "
Viveka P
San Francisco, United States
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
3
Very unfair, speculative and inflammatory article. There is no evidence that anti-terrorist activity was better combatted in 1990's than it is now. There is no evidence that indiscriminate arrests of Muslims after a terrorist act yields a higher crop of terrorists. It only yields a higher crop of innocents. Such an emotional and heavily partisan article is not worthy of any security analyst worth the name. The Prime Minister has the dual responsibility to ensure thorough police work, and to lend full support to the peace-loving and law-abiding citizenry, which is the bulk of all communities. MMS did so admirably well.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jul 13, 2007 12:00 AM
2
"NOt a drop of tear. Not a word of sorrow. Not a sign of grief. Not a single expression of solidarity with the relatives of the victims" ...Mr.B.Raman
Well, Mr.Raman, What is the strangeness that you see in that? It is typically "Indian". If you are worried about the human casualty, it is nothing for the governments in India. Human beings are expendable when the population is bursting at it's seams. If you are worried about the destruction of public property, it does not matter for our politicians especially Commies as they are accustomed to that kind of mayhem through the dharnas they regularly organise in the country.
T.Sathyamurthi
Folsom, United States
Jul 12, 2007 12:00 AM
1
I usually find Raman much too mealy-mouthed in dealing with Islamist terrorism, but this time he is spot on.

Truly, the Indians - non-Muslim Indians - don't deserve to survive jihadism. They are unbelievably feckless and cowardly and short-sighted and suicidal.

Notice that not even the BJP as far as I am aware commemorated the Mumbai blast anniversary. That party is truly witless. It ALWAYS misses the boat.

But what is the point of lamenting?

I have a lot of feedback from the UK and I am told there Indians - Hindus, Christians, - are now regarded with intense suspicion, just like Muslims. No difference.

The footdragging of the Indian government in helping with the investigation of the latest attempted attacks in the UK is making India utterly despised. If India fails so scandalously to help the UK in a case of terrorism involving Indian Muslims, it seems, the UK will not help India when it comes under attack from UK-based terrorism.

India has lost the good will it had with the UK and the US. Now it is seen as just another terrorist harobouring state, in collusion with Islamist terrorism. This is indded no more than the plain truth.

This is terrible news for Indians abroad or wishing to go abroad.

India is past saving, I think. Due to the terrible divisions introduced by millennia of casteism, Indians cannot unite even to save their very lives.

So lamenting as Raman does is futile. India will slip more and more into the jihadi sphere.

It is a vicious circle.

The more the Indian government and intelligentsian appease fanatical Islam, the less the incentive for moderate Muslims to speak out. I don't blame them now for keeping silent. Why should they take a tough line against jihadism when everyone else is rushing to appease it with all their might and without the least shame?

Frankly, it is time to write India off.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
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