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Invading The Sacred
The story of why I became involved with co-editing a book that analyzes the representation of Hinduism in American academia and the ensuing and ongoing politics when such representations are challenged both by the Indian diaspora as well as by academicians

As I write this, I am surrounded by bookshelves full of English translations of the Puranas and the Dharma Shastras. In my puja room are texts of stotras and pujas that I am eager to learn but have not yet touched. A few blocks away, at the local Hindu Center, a Bhagavat Katha is taking place. Similarly, for the past several months, as I became involved in co-editing the book, Invading the Sacred: An Analysis of Hinduism Studies in America, papers I had planned to write--on Hindu models of feminism and narratives of my recent pilgrimages in India--went unwritten.

In an ideal world, I would have preferred any of those activities to this type of writing; but if I had to do it all over again, I would still have chosen to work on Invading the Sacred. The simple reason is that I believe now, as I did then, that not just as a Hindu, but as one who is committed to the objectives of true pluralism and multiculturalism, a deeper understanding of the issues raised by this book is critical to achieving those goals.

This essay is the story of why I became involved with co-editing Invading the Sacred, a book that analyzes the representation of Hinduism in American academia and the ensuing and ongoing politics when such representations are challenged both by the Indian diaspora as well as by academicians, and what this book means to me.

Three Vignettes--Personal Experiences of Hinduphobia

When I was in high school, my American History teacher, for no discernible reason, read to the class a newspaper clipping about an airplane that had accidentally landed in a remote Indian coastal village. The article described how the villagers rushed to garland the plane and pilot. The students (and my teacher) uproariously laughed at the apparent ignorance of these villagers who mistook an ordinary airplane and pilot for gods. At that age, I did not have the words or the wherewithal to explain to them that Hindus honor anything and anyone that enters their home for the first time. It is customary for Hindus to garland honoured guests, for example, or to place a dot of vermilion powder on new purchases. This does not mean we regard these objects or persons necessarily as God; rather, such gestures express our gratitude and respect for them as well as for the Divine who has brought them to us.

In college, I was exposed to Jeffrey Kripal's "theory" of Sri Ramakrishna as a homosexual who had homoerotic feelings about (and possibly abused) Swami Vivekananda. It was presented to me not as speculation but as an academically established and authoritative truth. All my life, I had looked upon Sri Ramakrishna and Swami Vivekananda as holy saints who had revived Hinduism during colonial rule in India. I had a picture of Sri Ramakrishna and Sarada Devi to which I daily offered aarti, and I eagerly read Swami Vivekananda's complete works--one of the few compilations on Hinduism widely available in English that is written from a Hindu perspective. They had been my portal to Hinduism, but I felt shaken by these academic allegations. Instinctively, I knew such claims were baseless, and yet, these claims were made and vouched for by bona fide professors with Ivy League credentials, so they could not be completely wrong. Could they?

Shortly before I began practicing law, my guru advised me to begin wearing a bindi every day--not the stick-on kind but actual kumkum mixed with water. I was pleased to adopt this practice, as the bindi is a mark of auspiciousness and acts as a protective shield for the spiritual center of the body, the third eye (ajna chakra). While some family members and friends warned me that others, especially my colleagues, may frown upon wearing such a mark, I had experienced and believed in the open-minded acceptance of my American peers. However, I then came across Prof. David Gordon White's book, Kiss of the Yogini: Tantric Sex in its South Asian Context, in which he remarks that the bindi a Hindu woman wears represents a drop of menstrual blood.

I grew apprehensive about wearing the bindi to work--would others mistakenly see it as some primitive, (literally) bloodthirsty rite? Still, I have followed my guru's instruction and wear the bindi every day, and I have never regretted it. I do wonder sometimes, though, when catching the surreptitious curious stares of others, what exactly they think when they see the red oval between my eyebrows, and whether that perception has been shaped by the speculation of 'renowned' scholars such as White.

Because I have faced this Hinduphobia, which often shows itself in the subtlest of ways, because I have seen my friends and peers suffer from similar experiences, and because we have never had the voice or the ammunition with which to fire back--with which to say that this is wrong, not because it is offensive or politically incorrect, but because it is baseless and untruthful--because of all this, I could not say 'no' when the opportunity arose to become involved with this book. For, what starts in American universities does not remain there--it spreads globally, percolates through to mainstream culture, to primary and secondary schools, and to the way ordinary citizens interact with and react to each other.

This Hinduphobia acts as a poison; with its spread, it is no longer possible to undertake the projects I really wanted to pursue, those listed at the beginning of this essay. When Hinduism has been projected to represent only the grotesque and sexualised in academia, no serious study of our Dharma Shastras within the academic system is easy; when our modern acharyas and gurus are demonised, an entire generation of budding scholars is too embarrassed to independently engage with their works; and when our most cherished deities and practices are exoticised or sensationalised, we are tempted to abandon those traditions and forms of worship that make us Hindu.

'Sham' Scholarship

The scholarship at issue here is a pattern of Freudian psychoanalyses that sensationalise, eroticise, exoticise and distort the meanings of sacred Hindu figures, deities, and traditions. Invading the Sacred analyses several case studies of such Freudian interpretations. Here are some illustrative examples:

Prof. Wendy Doniger, Mircea Eliade Professor of History and Religion, University of Chicago; Past President of American Academy of Religion and Association for Asian Studies; award-winning author of numerous books on Hinduism:

  • "Holi, the spring carnival, when members of all castes mingle and let down their hair, sprinkling one another with cascades of red powder and liquid, symbolic of the blood that was probably used in past centuries." [1]

  • "The Bhagavad Gita is not as nice a book as some Americans think … Throughout the Mahabharata ... Krishna goads human beings into all sorts of murderous and self-destructive behaviors such as war ... The Gita is a dishonest book; it justifies war." [2]

Jeffrey Kripal, J. Newton Rayzor Professor of Religious Studies and Chair of the Department of Religious Studies at Rice University. [From Kali's Child, which won the Best Book Award from the American Academy of Religion and was listed by Encyclopedia Britannica as its top choice for learning about Sri Ramakrishna:]

  • Claims that the mystical experiences of saints like Sri Ramakrishna and Swami Vivekananda were the result of sexual abuse and sexual confusion;
  • "These homoerotic energies, in other words, not only shaped the symbolism of Ramakrishna's mysticism; they were his mysticism. Let me be very clear: without the conflicted energies of the saint's homosexual desires, there would have been no Kali's sword, no unconscious Handmaid, no conflict between the Mother and the Lover, no Child, no Radha, no living lingam, no naked Paramahamsa boys, no Jesus state, no lovebody, no ecstatically extended feet, no closing and opening doors, no symbolic visions, no bhava, and no samadhi. In effect there would have been no 'Ramakrishna.'"

Prof. Paul Courtright, Professor of Religion and Asian Studies and Former Chair of the Department of Religion and of Asian Studies at Emory University. [From Ganesa: Lord of Obstacles, Lord of Beginnings, which won the History of Religions award from the American Academy of Religion:]

  • "Its (Ganesa's) trunk is the displaced phallus, a caricature of Siva's linga. It poses no threat because it is too large, flaccid, and in the wrong place to be useful for sexual purposes." [3]
  • "He [Ganesa] remains celibate so as not to compete erotically with his father, a notorious womaniser, either incestuously for his mother or for any other woman for that matter." [4]

  • "Both in his behavior and iconographic form Ganesa resembles in some aspects, the figure of the eunuch… Ganesha is like a eunuch guarding the women of the harem." [5]
  • Courtright's work was the source for an official museum write-up about a large 11th century Ganesha carving in the Walters Art Gallery, a Baltimore museum visited by many schoolchildren: "Ganesa, is a son of the great god Siva, and many of his abilities are comic or absurd extensions of the lofty dichotomies of his father … Ganesa's potbelly and his childlike love for sweets mock Siva's practice of austerities, and his limp trunk will forever be a poor match for Siva's erect phallus."

These works are objectionable not because they are offensive per se, but because they are based on flimsy, unsubstantiated, and often non-existent evidence. Such failings have been pointed out by fellow academics (many of whom have no association with Hinduism or India), but their challenges have gone unanswered. Doniger never responded to Michael Witzel's critique of her Sanskrit translations that are described in the book. (Witzel, one of the leading Sanskrit scholars in the U.S., has stated that Doniger's translations are so riddled with mistakes that they are unreliable and that she would have been better off adding her Freudian gloss to older translations.) Courtright has refused to debate with or even address those who have compiled overwhelming textual evidence to rebut his claims. Neither they nor Prof. Kripal have addressed critiques by several prominent professors from the field of psychology and psychoanalysis that their works are based on discredited methodologies. These detailed scholarly critiques, among others, have been reprinted and/or summarised in our book.

Doniger et al. do not defend themselves by defending their theses--that would be too embarrassing. Instead, as we also show in our book, they simply decry their critics as being fundamentalist or childishly emotional, and they hide behind the fig leaf of 'academic freedom.'

Competing Narratives

The first question that most people ask after reading substantive critiques of such 'scholarship' presented in our book is, "Why?" Why does this coterie of scholars produce work that is academically suspect by their own standards, that insists on sexualising and sensationalising the sacred, and that is so at odds with what Hindus know to be true about their own traditions? The second question usually is, "Why is there such a discrepancy between the American academic treatment of Hinduism and that of other religions?" (A more detailed study of this issue can be found in the book, where we reprint an article by Sankrant Sanu on the discriminatory treatment doled out to Hinduism vis-à-vis other religions in the previous edition of the Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia.). We note that even when criticisms are leveled at other religions, they are overwhelmingly balanced out by more positive depictions by emic (internal to the tradition) practitioners of those faiths. The ratio of emic (insider) to etic (outsider) scholars in the academic study of religions in American universities today is much higher in virtually all other religions than in Hinduism.

More importantly, some scholars appear to feel entitled to take a certain political and intellectual license with respect to Hinduism that they would not take with respect to other religions. For example, White's book on Tantra, Kiss of the Yogini: Tantric Sex in its South Asian Context, only deconstructs Hindu Tantra but does not address the Vamachara Tantra of Buddhism, which is arguably more prominent today than Hindu Tantra. Proving the politicisation of such scholarship, our book notes that in her review of White's book, Doniger raises serious criticisms of the lack of evidence behind White's thesis but then goes on to say that Kiss of the Yogini "has a political importance that eclipses reservations of this kind … In arguing for the sexual meaning of the texts, White is flying in the face of the revisionist Hindu hermeneutic tradition that began in the eleventh century, was favored by Hindus educated in the British tradition from the nineteenth century onwards, and prevails in India today." [7]. In other words, according to Doniger, whether or not White's claims are accurate, his political ends justify his questionable academic means.

In order to understand what drives such scholarship, we need to view this phenomenon, which we call academic Hinduphobia, not as isolated incidents of excess and error but as part of a larger trend that has spanned many decades and many disciplines. As we show in our book, not much has changed in this field of scholarship from Berkeley-Hill's 1921 essay, The Anal-Erotic Factor in the Religion, Philosophy and Character of the Hindus, positing that Hindu reverence for Agni, Indra and Surya evidenced a fascination for passing gas, as these deities are associated with passing enormous amounts of wind, that Vedic chants emulated the act of passing gas, and that 'Atman' was really a pseudo-metaphysical façade for the Hindu "flatus complex." Today, such a reading is echoed by David Gordon White's reduction of Tantra to an upper-caste "intellectual whitewash" of lower-caste sexual practices wherein sacred Hindu mantras are nothing more than "nonsense syllables" from the "inarticulate moans" made during sexual intercourse. This scholarship is not the product of a few idle (and perhaps disturbed) minds but rather a narrative driven by deeply embedded historical and institutional paradigms.

An analogy can be drawn to what in American tax law is called a 'sham' transaction. This refers to transactions by businesses that may technically meet all of the provisions of the tax law--e.g., if a corporation is required to be a resident of a particular country, the corporation will set up a proper mailbox there--but that have no substantive 'business purpose.' In other words, such a transaction is a fraudulent scheme, driven by tax avoidance rather than economic substance, dressed up to look like a legitimate business transaction. Such 'sham' transactions are outlawed as being fraudulent.

Similarly, we see in the scholarly works investigated in this book a pattern of speculative claims that are dressed up to look like bona fide scholarship but that have no academic substance. As 'sham' transactions are driven forth by fraudulent motives of tax avoidance, we query whether this 'sham' scholarship is driven forth by ulterior political motivations.

Scholarship should be driven by genuine truth-seeking and not by politically-motivated speculation. The standards of objectivity and professional "best practices" of research guidelines, procedures and methodologies should be implemented, independently monitored, and be inclusive of all parties with a stake in the intellectual, philosophical, and cultural capital of their traditions. Just as we have external watchdogs for the medical profession, for the media, and for the government, surely, it is not unprecedented for independent observers to act as watchdogs for the academic humanities profession. It has become obvious that peer-review is inadequate in certain circumstances, just as the self-policing of the legal, medical, and business professions has been found lacking in areas and has been supplemented by external monitoring.

In order to understand the agendas driving forth this 'sham' scholarship, we have to understand how such scholarship is deployed. It is being used not to criticise some fringe elements of Hindu thought or practice but rather to undermine Hinduism itself.

For example, Vijay Prashad, Professor and Director of International Studies at Trinity College, in "Letter to a Young American Hindu," seeks to convince young American Hindus that the Bhagavad Gita was inspired by Buddhism and the Buddhist (i.e, non- Hindu) concept of karma, that bhakti is little more than a rebellious movement against oppressive Brahmanas and Kshatriyas, and that the Bhagavad Gita should be read not as an exposition of timeless principles and values but rather as an "experiment in truth".[8] Prashad essentially makes the following claims: (1) Karma is not a Hindu concept but one imported from Buddhism; (2) the Bhagavad Gita, arguably the most famous, widely-read and beloved scripture of the Hindus, was essentially Buddhist and not Hindu; (3) the Bhagavad Gita is not a religious scripture but an "exploration" of truth that is thus non-divine in origin; and (4) bhakti, one of the most popular margas of Hinduism, should be interpreted as a political rather than a spiritual movement. One wonders whether Prashad would dare to call the Koran or the Bible "experiments in truth" that were inspired by other religions, particularly in "letters" personally addressed to their "young" adherents.

This assault upon the very foundations of Hinduism is also reflected in Doniger's insinuation (in her now rejected Microsoft Encarta entry on Hinduism) that the system of yoga was appropriated by Vedic society from the indigenous (read, non-Hindu) inhabitants of the Indian subcontinent. This claim is echoed by the American Yoga Association: "There is a common misconception that Yoga is rooted in Hinduism; on the contrary, Hinduism's religious structures evolved much later and incorporated some of the practices of Yoga. (Other religions throughout the world have also incorporated practices and ideas related to Yoga.)" [9]

Essentially, a coterie of scholars is targeting that which is most sacred and renowned in Hinduism--the Bhagavad Gita, bhakti, yoga, deities such as Sri Ganesha, Shiva, and Devi, spiritual leaders like Sri Ramakrishna and Swami Vivekananda--and deconstructing them either as being pathological or as not really being Hindu at all. This is the invasion of the sacred--the looting of a living religion, an entire spiritual and cultural tradition, by denigration and appropriation.

As we explain in our book, this invasion of the Hindu sacred is driven by a complex set of factors, one of which is the playing out of the Frontier Myth, a doctrine deeply rooted in American mythology and history that drives how the American academic establishment and mainstream media interact with and react to minority cultures. The Myth holds that America's mission, entrusted by Providence, is to constantly expand Eden or Civilization (the secular equivalent of Eden) by conquering and colonising the wild Frontier, which has been inhabited at different times by various minority cultures, such as Native Americans, blacks, Mexicans, and now Asian Indians. In the intellectual space, the Hindu frontier is one of the last frontiers that the Western mind is keen to penetrate in its cultural and intellectual imperialist quest.

Hinduism has become a targeted frontier because of its unique status. It is the last of the truly indigenous religions, one that has sprung forth from the land and not been supplanted by alien faiths. (Most of the other indigenous religions of the world have either been decimated or driven to the brink of extinction by colonising forces.) Among the major world religions, Hinduism is perhaps the most incompatible with Western religious frameworks. By far the oldest living religion in the world, Hinduism has been the source of the Dharmic traditions, as Judaism has been the source of the Abrahamic religions; however, it has developed along a tract distinct from that of the Semitic faiths. The core concepts of Sanatana Dharma do not translate into Abrahamic terms--dharma, karma, moksha, and yoga have no English equivalents. Yet, it continues to flourish with almost a billion adherents; it has not abandoned its rich pantheon of an infinite variety of forms and manifestations of Ishwara; from time immemorial, it has worshipped and revered Shakti, the female divine; it has not yielded to Islamic conquest or Christian conversion; and it has not obligingly morphed itself to adapt to Western paradigms. Thus, Hinduism stands apart, and in this light, may pose the most serious challenge to Western intellectual and philosophical hegemony today.

It is in the face of such a threat that this brand of scholarship seeks to either denigrate or appropriate from Hinduism its crown jewels of sacred philosophy, icons and practices. This school of academicians has constructed a narrative--one, as documented in this book, deployed to affect government policy and mainstream media representations of Hinduism--that tells a compelling story to the public and to those in power. This tactic has been used many times over in American, and more generally Western, history to demonise minority cultures in order to justify their destruction.

The story they have cleverly created about Hinduism goes something like this: Hindus were too occupied with earthy pleasures and pursuits to develop an authentic spiritual and philosophical tradition of their own; therefore, whatever Hindus find valuable in modern day Hinduism has either been imported from elsewhere or conceals something pathological that can only be exposed through Freudian psychoanalysis. Thus, for example, it was the obsession with lower-caste sexual rites that led to the development of Tantra; it was the castration anxiety of men that evolved into worship of Devi, 'the mother with a penis;' [10] it was homoerotic fantasies that led to the mystical experiences of Sri Ramakrishna; it was the emasculation complex, again, of Hindu men that led to Hindu renaissance movements led by, for example, Swami Vivekananda, and so forth. Thus, the story goes, it is quite unsurprising that Hindus were never able to formulate high philosophy or a consistent framework of values--such religious and cultural necessities had to be borrowed from other religions (i.e., karma and the values of the Bhagavad Gita from Buddhism) or from those whom the Hindus marginalised (i.e., yoga from the 'indigenous' Indus civilization; Tantra from oppressed lower castes). The unsaid but underlying premise is that Hindus never had the wherewithal or interest to develop a metaphysics or philosophy of their own. But, of course; they were too busy passing gas and chanting about it to do anything else.

That is the story this cartel of scholars persists in telling, and it is a clever one, one that conveniently reduces Hinduism to an elitist doctrine interested only in the exploitation of others and various anal-penile-erotic fetishes.

Here is our own story: We, too, believe that Sanatana Dharma is unique. It is the source from which arose the great traditions of Buddhism, Sikhism, and Jainism. It is the oldest major world religion based on realisation, not revelation. Hinduism evolved from the collective experiences of its mystics, its yogis, its lovers of God. Originating from experience, from realisation, and not revealed dogma, Hinduism developed as a grassroots movement that swelled upwards and was never externally organised, because it never required an institutional framework to give it shape or consistent meaning. It is the only major extant religious tradition in which the feminine divine, Shakti, is revered and worshipped; in which the sublimation of the physical through the practices of Tantra holds equal footing as a mode of sadhana (spiritual practice) with the ascetism of yoga; in which the sweet outpouring of passionate love in bhakti is tempered by the most clinical, subtle and intricate of monistic philosophies (Advaita Vedanta).

As such, Hinduism is a unique religion and, given the history of similar native religious traditions, one that is under severe attack. Through the invasions of its sacred, both in the physical realm through the historical colonisation of India and in the intellectual and cultural realms through ongoing Eurocentric scholarship, its philosophical, cultural and spiritual capital has been and continues to be plundered and appropriated.

Therefore, we believe that scholarship regarding Hinduism deserves special scrutiny and sensitivity. Our critics falsely claim that we are engaged in academic censorship. In fact, we do not seek to silence the voices of those we critique--we only ask that other voices be added to their ongoing discourse about Hinduism. We believe that outsider perspectives do offer value in understanding any religion, including Hinduism, but that emic or insider perspectives are just as vital and valuable. With respect to, for example, Sri Ganesha, it is only logical to conclude that the insights of one who has lived with and loved Sri Ganesha, one who has worshipped Him, who through invocations of and meditation upon Him, has experienced Him as only a devotee can, would contribute to genuine understanding and knowledge of Him. If such voices are not respected by the academy, then the American academic establishment is adopting the elitist Brahmanism it claims to despise. It is silencing the underrepresented voices of those whom the academic establishment has consistently denigrated and misrepresented.

We are often told to relinquish this battle, told that the academy is of little significance, that this is a battle that is not worth fighting. Yet, if we take a moment to see the history of how we ended up here, we see that the British destroyed our traditional educational systems like the gurukula system, the traditional way in which knowledge about Hinduism has been transmitted for thousands of years. Because the infrastructure for producing our own home team of Hindu scholars has been destroyed, we are at a serious disadvantage in producing indigenous Hindu scholarship independent of the Western academic system. Any current initiatives to promote traditional Hindu forms of education are immediately derailed as being fundamentalist Hindutva. And when budding Hindu scholars do try to enter academia, the process is so politicised, that they either have to buy into existing academic dogma or else face a doomed academic career. In the process, entire generations of potential scholars of Hinduism have been lost, and the subsequent loss of a true diversity of perspectives is a loss we all suffer. In such a climate, the onus is therefore on the academic establishment to promote emic Hindu perspectives and scholarship to balance out the one-dimensional representations dominating Hinduism Studies today.

It is not that we eschew honest critiques and evaluations of Hinduism. We just believe that our tradition is rich enough to be engaged on its own terms. We believe that we would have richer scholarship if academics engaged with the actual words and experiences of Sri Ramakrishna, or the actual texts and philosophies of Tantra, or the actual Puranic accounts of Sri Ganesha, Devi and Shiva, rather than subjecting them to psychoanalysis by so-called scholars of Hinduism who have neither a sound knowledge of Sanskrit nor qualifications in (Freudian or other) psychology accepted by its respected authorities. This is true of psychoanalyst scholars, such as Doniger, Kripal and Courtright, who have no training or background in psychoanalysis.

We promote debate and dissension but ask that it be an honest and fair debate. In our purva-paksha system, the leaders of different religious traditions study each other's traditions in depth and then debate each other--they would speak, in the terminology of Prof. Arvind Sharma in his Preface to Invading the Sacred, as insider to insider and not as outsider to outsider. That is, they do not keep out the 'other' and study and debate him amongst themselves, but instead engage with the 'other' in debate. This leads to more authentic and constructive scholarship.

We also happen to believe that the study of Hinduism deserves to be more than just titillating fodder for psychoanalysis. Enlightenment thought did not begin a few hundred years ago in the narrow Western sliver of the world. Instead, the advent of rationality and scientific thought can be traced back several thousands of years ago to the very dawn of Hindu civilization, which gifted the world with the concept of 'zero,' the 'Arabic' numeral system, the decimal system, algebra and trigonometry, and astonishingly advanced knowledge of astronomy, etc. Hinduism never faced the schism between science and faith that has plagued the Western world, because new knowledge was always welcomed with an open mind. New knowledge was never perceived as a threat, because in the Hindu framework, wisdom was never limited to the revelations of one prophet or one canon but rather was always solidly based on insights of all who had reached certain stages of enlightenment. Hindu thought would thus be of immeasurable value as an approach to the reconciliation of science and faith, one of the most important challenges facing the modern world.

Our critics often accuse us of being chauvinistic, of being apologists seeking to glorify some long lost Vedic age that either never existed or can never again be revived. To the contrary, we believe that the genuine study of Hinduism is exceptionally relevant to the modern world, and that traditional Hindu approaches must be included in any toolbox of cultural solutions addressing the human rights, environmental, conflict resolution and gender discrimination challenges faced by global society today. The concept of ahimsa central to Hinduism encompasses nonviolence towards all living beings. The realisation that human beings must live in harmony with the natural environment in order to foster a sustainable and healthy society helped formulate a Hindu model of environmentalism, in tune with modern scientific concepts, thousands of years ago. Vandana Shiva and others transmitted this model to the West, and it has mushroomed into the global environmental movement.

We live in a world where a woman's self-esteem too often depends on how she is perceived by others, either at home or in the workplace. The understanding that every female is inherently a form of Devi and that it is only ignorance of her own true power and nature holding her back can thus be tremendously emancipating and uplifting. With mental health problems on the rise worldwide, Hindu psychology based on concepts such as the gunas, chakras and koshas, and practices of pranayama and yoga have much to offer to the treatment of psychological disorders. The list goes on.

These solutions are not perfect and deserve scrutiny and challenge. However, if we are serious about promoting multiculturalism and pluralism, if we are sincere about tackling the serious challenges we face as a society by using the most effective solutions, then such approaches deserve a fair hearing and must at least be investigated and explored. This is not a radical idea: scholars have been studying positive Islamic and Christian approaches to feminism and human rights. In order for such scholarship to be initiated with respect to Hindu approaches, the road ahead must be cleared of the discredited Freudian blockages. This will lead to serious scholarship on Hinduism and its vast potential as a storehouse of wisdom, insight and methods of physical, psychological and spiritual growth of value both to individuals and to society at large.

It is my hope that a few years from now, a young woman will sit at her desk, surrounded by shelves full of the Dharma Shastras, of classical Hindu texts on yoga and the various darshanas of Hindu philosophy, and of Puranas describing our deities and ancient lore in their full glory, and that she will engage with, question, and interpret these texts with fresh eyes. It is my hope that her voice will resound within the walls of the Ivory Tower alongside other voices; that her perspective will help shape how others view one of the world's greatest religions; that her insights will contribute to the fount of creativity and compassion from which we leave behind a world more peaceful, prosperous and healthy than the one into which we were born. It is my hope that this book, Invading the Sacred, will help open up the space and resources for that young woman to explore how the oldest forms of Hindu philosophy can pave new ways of thinking; to enable her to engage with other traditions and cultures not through intellectual 'invasions' but through constructive purva-paksha. That is the underlying mission of this book, and that is my personal hope, both for that young woman and for us all.


Aditi Banerjee received a B.A. in International Relations, magna cum laude, from Tufts University, and a J.D. from Yale Law School. She is a practicing attorney in New York.

 
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Apr 17, 2008 12:00 AM
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I am with you, MR. SRIDHAR V, I am with you on almost everything that you have said including the bit about Galilieo. However, I believe that Hinduism has suffered from reducing proportion throughout almost all of those 5,000 years. I am sure that you well aware of all the important reasons.

In the present environment of non-invasion except for one or two exceptions, the shift from Hinduism is socio-religious and not through the use of "brute force or coercion". In the circumstance, the exits from Hinduism should have diminished to a trickle. This is not so.

Hindus need to examine the reasons for this. It is of little use to blame it on "baits and rebates" as MR. Vinod does. That is the benefit and not the cause.

Joseph
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If we Hindus have for the past 5000 years of recorded history, faced challenges of all sorts from various religions, cultures and various countries and have stood together and are standing together as yet, then it means we know ourselves, our identity upon this earth, our culture and religion, the merits and de-merits of our culture and religion, and still adhere to it, despite being well exposed to other cultures, religions and regions or countries, then we have confidence in ourselves, confidence in our religion and culture that is timeless, adaptable and open to changes and challenges, admire our identy as Hindus, as Indians, admire and relish our culture and religion, then we have no fear of deterioration of faith in ourselves, our culture and religion despite sophisticated or crude onslaughts by others. Our religion is open to individual opinions. Nothing is thrust upon us. We believe in existence of a supernatural force that has caused the existence of the natural aspects that we see or feel and experience with our sense organs. We believe that if there is a creation then there has to be a creator and are in a constant pursuit or search to know what that entity is. If there is one sun, one moon and all natural creations and forces around us that we see and experience daily, then there has to be one and only one creator. This is common factor to all human beings around the world. All wonderer or ponderers of this aspect across the length and breadth of this earth have spread this message of universal brotherhood, of one creator, of peaceful co-existence, with mutual love and kindness towards one another and of not exploitation of one another. This is the base of all religions, which has been based on what has been seen, heard, experienced and the message spread across to the fellow beings at different times, at different places, in different languages, for the benefit and well being of fellowmen as per the situation and need prevailing in that region or place. All religions are man made and thus have their merits and demerits and those who spoke against the exploits of people in power against their fellow beings, whether in place of worship or rule, were mercilessly persecuted. Those who perished while leading their people on path of righteousness, were elevated to position of god and religions have become source of identity and livelihood and ritualistic in this materialistic world.
England ruled around the world and their religion Christianity has spread across the globe.
We do not enforce our religion, do not speak ill of other religions as we understand the basic meaning of religion of oneness in its message despite difference of language and style.
Bible the so called inspired voice of god had to be altered after truth revealed by Galileo & Marconi of Solar system, shape of earth and its movement etc. They were prepared to die rather than suppress the truth as propagated by Church. We cannot forget Tickets to heaven and the uprise of brave Protestants. Islam fundamentalists do not tolerate Quran questioned or comments or personal opinions on islam. In our religion we had Dasi system sponsored by religeous institutions. Suppression of the scheduled castes by upper class. Christ was a Jewish who saw and spoke against the misuse of power in synagogues and became a bed of thorn to be eredicated but we see the state of christianity today. We know of Mohammed and his running to Medina from Mecca and of the great divide today between Shias and sunnis. Hindus need not fear any one at any time if we stand together, come what may. Britishers did not know one language of India or African countries but the infights every where were exploited by them and it we at fault and not they. They just exploited the oppertunity. We read and preach the Panchatantra stories but do not practise.
sridhar v
mumbai, India
Jul 08, 2007 12:00 AM
94
People who attack the character of individuals - calling them brahmanists - are interested in deflecting debate on the issues at hand rather than seriously debating the core issues.

Some of the comments here are more focused on attacking the writer rather than the issues.
surikasingh
new york, United States
Jul 06, 2007 12:00 AM
93
Seshadri:

Brahminists praising humility, tolerance and humaneness is as credible as the meanest man in the world praising generosity.

Characters like you are beyond help, trapped in mediavelist fantasies that would shame many certified lunatics. Islamists are no crazier.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Jul 06, 2007 12:00 AM
92
From Sundari Iyappa.

“Her claim the Hinduism occupies a “unique” status and poses the most serious challenge to Western intellectual and philosophical tradition is worth considering. However, advancing it requires champions not complainers as most claims aren’t self-proving. Even as the co-editor of an anthology, she is not up to the job.”

Who knows? Sundari certainly is not up to the job as an evaluator of it.

“Whipping up a sense of victimhood among Hindus is good pre-marketing. After all, she has a book to sell. She mentions it nearly a dozen times. As for her unread books on strotras and pujas, unexplored Hindu models of feminism and unwritten travelogue of her latest pilgrimage, they can all wait until the royalty check clears.”

Anything can be portrayed as self-promotion, even Gandhi’s fasts. Can Sundari prove her unselfish willingness to help here by offering constructive suggestions, instead of ironic mocking?
Narasimhan M.G
Bangalore, India
Jul 06, 2007 12:00 AM
91
From Sundari Iyappa…

“She complains she cannot carry on “serious study” of Shastras because she is prevented by a false image projected by academics. Her actions are determined by the images projected by others? Otherwise, she would be reading her unread Puranas and Shastras in original Sanskrit? If “budding scholars” are “too embarrassed” and are “tempted to abandon those traditions” then they are motivated not by truth but by pursuit of social comfort.”

True. But we are all human. People around us determine how we think, act and behave. Are you very different?

“If she doesn’t like Freudian psychoanalyses of Hinduism, then she should become an expert on Freud and demonstrate the misapplication of his insights, if any. Alternatively, she can take on a bigger job to undermine Freud’s entire approach. However, summarily dismissing academics’ claims as unsubstantiated might sell books but doesn’t win arguments.”

Freud has been proved mainly wrong, chiefly by Carl Jung. His model of the Id/Ego/Super ego is seen today as a false perspective. His emphasis on penis envy, oedipus complex etc are severely disputed. His psychoanalysis is not useful to most therapists. That’s why the constant proliferation of other theories of the mind, like behavioral, Maslow’s model, Laingian, neuro-lingusitic programming etc.

Hinduism has its own theories of psychology. One of them is based on classification of mind as made of 3 Gunas. Another as made of aspects like Identity, Cogitation, Intelligence and Consciousness.

“Surprisingly, the bad-boy Witzel from the California Textbook Controversy is suddenly transformed into an expert to undermine the Sanskrit manuscripts that Doniger relies on”.

Bad boys can contradict each other. It has happened before.

“She speculates on the motives of the academics and makes conclusory allusions to “substantive” critiques without summarizing or previewing them. “

Perhaps. Please unspeculate the motives and summarize them for me, will you?

“But she notes these incidents are not isolated. They are part of a larger conspiracy of a “deeply embedded historical and institutional paradigms.” Ex-squeeze me? Never mind.”

The word “larger conspiracy” is yours, not hers. Of course deeply embedded historical paradigms exist, and have existed. Did you know that a psychologist had “shown” in the 19th century that disturbed negro slaves were restless, dangerous, and had a great craving to run away? He said they had to be put in mental institutions. Every other sane white person agreed.

“Next, we get the Olympic pronouncement that scholarship should be “truth-seeking.” Although, it is a curious claim on behalf of a philosophy that teaches “truth” is relative and not objective. Why should those academics be bound by her “truth” and not their own?”

Non-sequiitur. Hinduism does not say all truth is relative. It says subjective truths are relative. Shankara says that there is a Changeless that is Real, and needs to be sought. There are many interpretations to Truth (Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahudah Vadanthi). The academics can hold on to their relative truths without denigrating Aditi’s or Sundari’s.
Narasimhan M.G
Bangalore, India
Jul 06, 2007 12:00 AM
90
Sundari Iyappa has spent a lot of time analyzing the article. One good deed deserves another. So here goes. Her statements are in quotes. My answer is not.

“Ms. Banerjee seems intelligent. After all, graduating magna cum laude from Tufts and earning a Juris Doctor from Yale are no small achievements. “

Ad hominem attack.

“Yet, this essay makes her seem like the illegitimate child of Rajiv Malhotra. Hinduism will need a better lawyer.”

Ad hominem attack.

“At the outset, she salutes “true pluralism and multiculturalism.” Whether they extend to inside India is an open question.”

Why is it an open question?. Is there any other country with more multiculturalism and diversity? Read “Midnight’s children”, see how we all love and relate to it. Count the number of religions, cultures, tribes, practices, thoughts and ideologies living in India. Compare to the multiculturalism of Britain or U.S. Who wins hands down?

“Awkward questions of India as exclusively a Hindu culture abound.”

Only if you equate Hindu to Hindutva. And Hindutva to Aditi Banerjee

“We will note that oversight as we focus on stories of “Hinduphobia.”

Her first story is pathetic and falls flat. She gives no context to the newspaper article that supposedly mortified her in high school.”

What context would convince you? Something like incidents of slavery equal to the black experience?

“Yet, we are to conclude Hinduphobia.”

We are not to conclude. It is a clue, not proof.

“Her second story walks us through her portal to Hinduism--Vivekananda’s works and to whom she offers daily aarti. She refutes an academic’s claim that Ramakrishna was a homosexual (or had an encounter) with nothing more than her “instinct.” Facts/arguments are for the birds. “

What fact/argument did the academic have to conclude that Ramakrishna was a homosexual? Embracing Vivekananda? Even today men embrace each other in India. It is only in the recent past that this has become a symbol of gayness. In Russia men kiss each other on the lips. One can easily imagine this academic 100 years from now, interpreting this as an act of procreation.

“More than the non-refutation, her reaction is puzzling. So what if he were a homosexual? Isn’t it within the ambit of Hinduism’s famously tolerance to accept “everything”? A Yale law degree just isn’t what it used to be”.

It is not puzzling to me. I am as liberal as Sundari Iyappa. But we hold Sri Ramakrishna in special regard because he was not even bothered by sex. By calling him a homosexual, the academic hits this esteem. Vulgar interpretation of noble people is an old game to hurt the devotees.

“Next, we face a wretchedly agonizing choice between stick-on bindi and home-made kind. Whether it represents a drop of menstrual blood or just a button for lazy husbands to open automatic garage doors, the purpose of the story is lost among her whimperings. Without stating others’ comment, positive or negative, about her bindi, we are to conclude Hinduphobia.”.

Ad hominem attack. She did not say that it represented a button for lazy husbands. She said it was believed to be the Ajna Chakra. Ho hum, you say. All these chakras, can you prove them? No, I can’t. Can you prove you have thoughts, located in the brain? These are subjective matters and can be argued endlessly.
Narasimhan M.G
Bangalore, India
Jul 06, 2007 12:00 AM
89
Seshadriji, I implore you to spread these facts and this wisdom among a much wider audience, and not restrict it to us nincumpoops on this forum. There are even worse nincumpoops in the Western and International Media, and among Indian and international academia!
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Jul 06, 2007 12:00 AM
88
Varun: Idol worship among hindus is not the same kind of idolatry, which the nabhi banned for the Arabs, because they found Kubera's idol-filled Alaka-sree-cakra vimana there, each tribe chose one 'idol' as its 'god' and tribes conflicted in worship. He covered it up as the 'Kaabaa' [swaabhaa, selfshining, in sanskrit] and put the linga from the chakra-bindu, mahaa-kaaleswara, at a corner of the kaaba, being kissed by mecca pilgrims even today, making a-pradakshna anticlockwise [ bec of asuric origins of arabs] circles around it, dressed in yoga-veshti without caps like south indian brahmins !

Hindus see idols as only 'symbols' of one form of many god-heads [not the god itself], all of which coordinated into the monist absolute, in their minds. While someone worships the giant statue of Anjaneya, his/her mind is on 'hanoomaan raama-hrid-Sivah' crossing the country with the herbal hill on his hand to save rama and lakshman from their swoon! The hindu most often closes his eyes while worshipping the divine in temples, seeing the Absolute within. If moslems understand this, they will not hate hindus or their symbolized godheads in temples.

If Akbar had been the Moghul King at Babar's place, he would NOT have destryed the baala-raama temple at Ayodhya. He would, instead, have built a giant mosque with crescent on its top to represent Siva[ =Allah] as aakaaSa-linga chandra mouleeSwara. Rama is supposed to be always at the heart of Siva. Hindus and moslems would have worshipped at the same place, hindus facing east and moslems facing west. History of India would have been different.

For the benefit of Parbat:'Sivaalaye masootyaam ca Hara-eva-ekah chandra-moulih', meaning the crescent on mosque-top is the same on Siva's head!
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 06, 2007 12:00 AM
87
Thank you, Varun, for your kind appreciation.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 06, 2007 12:00 AM
86
Parbat:
I suggest you should learn Sanskrit, if you are not too old to learn a new language. You can then curse me with greater venom and variety and vigour, instead of becoming fossilized on the word 'fossil'. Sanskrit has great power, precision and idea-compression. I once had a high-caste NB colleague, who used sanskrit itself as the word for 'bad language', like Karunaanidhi calling it as typical 'dead language'.

I do not mis-understand your hatred for brahmins. It is all due to the ignorant ritualized old brahmin ladies in agrahaarams around temples referring to all families other than their group loosely and despicably as the 'soodras'. No wonder that Naickers like Periar [Naicker family ruled in Madurai] developed hatred for brahmins and ordered the tufts of priests being cut.

Vivekananda deplored that hindu religion had been driven into the kitchen to be ritually ruled by witchy mothers-in-law leading to widow-shaving, sati etc. If angry Narayana had Ravana reborn as mohammed and eventually sent Gajjni and Gawri into India, it was only because the ugly brahmins and their wives in India had reduced hinduism to a very cruel form of ritualism, especially to women, who really are active forms of the Divine Mother in human world. History of man is really His [God's] story of deliverance of justice as deserved.

Regards.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 05, 2007 12:00 AM
85
I have no interest in caste whatsover, wasn't even mildly conscious of it until my 20's, has no relevance to my life or situatuon.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Jul 05, 2007 12:00 AM
84
Varun

Your religion seems to be Castianism.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Jul 05, 2007 12:00 AM
83
Why is idolatry obscenely ridiculous? Any more so that praying to a 'formless' God? And who is a twit like Goonda to judge excellent writers like V.S Naipaul? Shiva, I hope you can answer this Islamist moron. It wasn't just in India that Buddhists were massacred by Islamic invaders, but in Central and West Asia as well, where it almost completely disappeared. Shiva's assertion that Nalanda contained more wisdom than Islam has ever known is so true and apt.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Jul 05, 2007 12:00 AM
82
Seshadri

Many thanks for accepting that you are a piece of fossilised dinosaur dung.

Do a puja in Islamabad and you will be reincarnated by the Absolute Ganesa into Idi Amin, who can solve the problems of Kal Yug by 34 million billion + 12,36,345678919 yugas + genetic digitalics as proved in Mahabharata parva 12345678910.

Respectful greetings. Hope you remain a fossilised piece of shit, whatever your religion.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Jul 05, 2007 12:00 AM
81

The emphasis on compassion and equality, non-violence, the community of monks and nuns, legends such as the star over the birthplace, return of the prodigal son, devotee walking on water, fact that Buddhist missionaries went to West Asia. Buddhism heavily influenced Christianity, not so much Churchianity and Popianity.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Jul 05, 2007 12:00 AM
80
Read as "i could run into a random Hindu"...instead of "random muslim".
chaitanya
chennai, India
Jul 05, 2007 12:00 AM
79
I meant, "i could run into a random muslim, and we could convince eachother of our muslim prejudices given the conducive environment".

And there are racial reasons why the mughals, sayyads, pathans and other upper caste muslims refuse to marry people from other muslim castes. Ask ghulam farukhi. I bet the guy is married to his own caste. But there are many hindus these days, who marry inter caste and the trend will grow.
chaitanya
chennai, India
Jul 05, 2007 12:00 AM
78
"but if ‘B’ is attacking ‘C’ for ‘A’s sins just because ‘C’ is frail, then it is a lunatic behavior."

I suppose you meant Muslim by C. I am not sure how many Hindus living in India will consider them to be frail. Most of the Hindus carry a prejudice against Muslims, one of the reasons being their nasty behaviour. I can run into a random Hindu and we both could discuss eachother. All Hindus, irrespective of their political affiliations, hold subtle prejudice against muslims. The frail Hindus are not upto uniting and so the prejudice mostly seems non-existent. But it's very much there. With all the deficiencies in Hinduism that you mention(many of which are true), there is a reason why the Hindus of deprived castes don't anymore convert to Islam. They just don't like the religion.
chaitanya
chennai, India
Jul 05, 2007 12:00 AM
77
Ganpat Baba:

Ghulam knows that I am a tough critic of Islamist causes, the Hamas, Islamist terrorism in general. He knows that I am likely to speak up for Israel and the USA.

But he also knows I give no ground to Brahminist bullies.

I believe in Liberal Islam of the Irshad Manji type, which is in conformity with Liberal Hinduism.

My enemies are Brahminists and Islamists. They are very much alike in their swinishness. Seshadri is a carbon copy of a bigoted crazy mullah.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Jul 05, 2007 12:00 AM
76
Ganpat Baba:

I have not joined Faruki Sahib, as you say.....Merely stuck to common sense and decency.

I admire Faruki for expressing rather tolerant Islamic values and fighting endlessly against people like you who denigrate him unfairly.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Jul 05, 2007 12:00 AM
75
Seshadri

I amy not understand Sanskrit but I do understand that fossilsed pieces of dinosaur dung like you are the most dangerous enemies of Hindus.

Horrible types like you made Hinduism stink in the nostrils.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Jul 05, 2007 12:00 AM
74
V.Seshadri, keep it up, your postings touch the soul. One way Hindus can disarm some of these Christian missionaries and evangelists is to assert that Christianity itself is derived from Hinduism at the very least in its essence. Thus Hindus have no need to convert; they already have the essence and the principles in them.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Jul 05, 2007 12:00 AM
73
As someone doing graduate work in Hinduism in North America, I read Ms. Banerjee's piece with a good deal of interest. I must say that many of the points of frustration she has brought up have been mine as well - the exoticization of Hinduism for example, or the tendency by some scholars to study Hindu traditions under Western and outdated frameworks, such as the psychoanalytical one that Ms. Banerjee mentioned. Just as this paints an inaccurate and self-serving picture of Hinduism and Hindu traditions, Ms. Banerjee does the same disservice to the many and diverse scholars in the U.S. and Canada involved in the academic study of Hinduism.

Not all scholars are part of the "coterie" that she mentions and many - both "emic" and "etic" - have a much more nuanced, sympathetic and historically accurate understanding of the vast and complex Hindu traditions.

Ms. Banerjee's piece weakens her own argument against shoddy scholarship on two counts. One, she chooses to pick scholars who, while they may be established (nobody can deny the strange and complex world of academic nepotism) are not necessarily respected within the academy itself - and are not considered reliable authorities by those who do serious work on Hinduism. Jeffery Kripal, Wendy Doniger and David Gorden White have all caused a stir within the diasporic Hindu community to be certain. However, what Ms. Banerjee fails to mention, or perhaps fails to notice, is that amongst credible and respected scholars of Hinduism, their work is not taken seriously (at least anymore) either. There is much room for improvement in the American academy in regards to its study of Hinduism, to be sure. However, by painting it with such a monolithic brush, Ms. Banerjee allows the voice of three unreliable scholars with a penchent for the "exotic" to malign an entire group of much more serious and careful individuals. She also fails to mention that the works by Kripal, Doniger and White are dated - if she is critiquing the state of current scholarship, she needs to focus on well, current scholarship.

The second point on which Ms. Banerjee weakens what she is trying to establish is her own insistence on attempting to define Hinduism, the way she herself sees fit. With her numerous references to Sanatana Dharma, The Gita as a cornerstone, her insistence on the "indigenous" nature of Hinduism, free from the "supplantation" of "alien faiths", Ms. Banerjee is quite simply, ahistorical and inaccurate. This is not to say that Sanatana dharma does not exist - it does and is central, for some. The Gita is central for some. Yoga has a long and complex history that isn't as neat and delineated as she would have it be. And "Hinduism" has most certainly been shaped, influenced and transformed by all sorts of "alien" faiths and political realities. Ms. Banerjee overstates her point, making it seem - as I'm sure she does not mean to - that she is speaking for all "Hindus", no matter what their regional, linguistic and religious affiliations. As a high-caste Bengali, I'm sure she already knows that her knowledge of Sri Ramakrishna, and the pujas performed in her home do not necessarily resemble the religious life of say, someone in Tamil Nadu or even someone down the street who is of a different caste group or from a different socio-economic status.

I look forward to reading her book and hope it includes as diverse a variety of voices as she would like to see represented in the North American acadamy.
M.D.R
Montreal, Canada
Jul 05, 2007 12:00 AM
72
Jogi: Kindly understand that I am NOT trying to denigrate christianty in any way or subjugate it to hinduism in some way, when I say that I see John The Baptist, Jesus, and resurrected Christ, respectively, as spiritually equivalent to the hindu deities Ganesa, Skanda and Siva.
My comments are based on yogic experiences in and during meditation.

In christianity, initiation is called baptism, which gets sanskritized as 'avaaptee-karaNa', meaning 'being brought in touch with spirituality'. Now, when goes into meditation using the ganapati-mantra, as the spine goes erect, one often experiences "the Cross" between back-bone and shoulder-bone, spiritually intensified, before the super-consciosness in 'Sivoham" is attained. Late swami chinmayaanannda has also mentioned this in his talks. Thus, it appears as if, for the meditator, Ganesa does initiation like John the baptist and as meditation progresses the individual consciousness as the 'son of God', in the image of God gets 'cricified' on one's own spiritual cross to emerge as the 'christ' or Krishta, 'drawn out' into the superconsciousnes of the Absolute Siva, with the cosmodynamic universe as viswam vishnuh at its heart. I was only pinting out the close corresponence with yoga-vidyaa hinduism and christianity's divines, that is all. This strengthens my perception that christianity as a good religion for the west is also given by the same polymorphic, but monotheistic, spiritual and eternal forces which have given sanaatana-dharma, now hinduism, to the humans of aarya-varta in sub-himaalayan Asia from the prehisstoric past.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 04, 2007 12:00 AM
71
Thank you , Ganpat Ram for info about the book on Islam. Will read it, if I can getb it.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 04, 2007 12:00 AM
70
Thank you Paarbat, for your kind good wishes. I fully appreciate your difficulty in understanding the posting on the ganesa-mantra, posted only to counter attempts to reduce ganesa to an animal with misplaced penus. Only those who know some sanskrit can understand.
Wish you wisdom and peace, in whatever religion you believe in.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 04, 2007 12:00 AM
69
Thank you, Jogi, for the kind respects. Of course, you do not have to accept my views as such.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 04, 2007 12:00 AM
68
We have to commend Aditi for this endevour. Intellectual assault on hinduism is something any one studying in the US can sidestep. It is pervasive and stems from ignorance. Therefore any such work that seeks to enlighten is pleasing to hear. On those attention challenged Americans, maybe some one should do lists and comparisons between Hinduism and other montheistic religions to highlight in bite sized portions, what's different and what the Pro and Cons are.Even being self critical, you may find many more positive things that reasonable people can agree on.
Sunil
Ponani, India
Jul 04, 2007 12:00 AM
67
The book is a very good attempt at exposing the mindset of the perverted American academics. According to them, anything unique to Hinduism is bad and anything good in it not original or unique.
R. NARASIMHAN
CHENNAI, INDIA
Jul 04, 2007 12:00 AM
66
Neti, Neti ( not this, not this).

The man who introduced Quantum Mechanics Erwin Schrodinger, his book " What is Life " explains
Vedanta in the right perespective. This Doniger, Kripal, Courtright look stale and homosapiens of stinking intellect in front of Erwin Schrodinger.
gajanan
Sydney, Australia
Jul 04, 2007 12:00 AM
65
Little you could do as an infidel.
TARUN GHOSH
WEEHAWKEN, NJ UNITED STATES
03:20:24AM (IST)

Imbeciles as you don't know that 'Allah' means 'God' in Arabic. So, whether you say God, or Allah or Khuda(Persian) it is the same; a Muslim remains a Muslim so long as he believes in one God. I would have no objection whatsoever if you greet your ilk by saying "Bhagwan bhagwan" or "Ram Ram". Saying "Allah hafiz" is no indicator of being talibanized. I, for one, prefer what i am used to:"Khuda hafiz".
And Khuda nigehban about dimwits like you.My dua for you.
Adnan Nawaz
Seattle, United States
Jul 04, 2007 12:00 AM
64
I have heard it said, that the bramha-kumaris group, to which the prez-candidate Pratibha seems to belong, considers Jesus as an amSa of hindu God GaneSa. In my own perception, however, GaneSa was John the baptist, and Skanda was Jesus and Siva as Sankara the post-resurrection christ.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 04, 2007 12:00 AM
63
Symbolism of GaneSa as elephant God, with long and flexible trunk from a strong 4-legged base, is very much similar in structure to heavy-duty excavators/levellers/placers in modern construction fields. 'sarva-janam me vaSam aanaya swaahaa', in the ganapati mantra implies "pulling in of beings out of the evil and their placement into the better ways", like what only elephants can do, were doing in pre-mechanisation-period construction jobs.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 04, 2007 12:00 AM
62
Chanakya:" the brave face of Hinduism was presented to Americans not by a brahmin, but by a shudra - vivekananda"

But his spiritual mentor, Ramakrishna, was a brahmin. Avataras have been there in all 'castes'. Caste-egos and casteist perceptions
would only subtract on spirituality and wisdom.

But, I agree with you that vivekananda's kshatryia 'cast' or temperament was best suited to weather the opposition in the western world and establish India's wisdom in some places there. In my poem on vivekananda, I have said: 'Sree-kripaa raama-krishNasya vivekaananda-vegitaa vaahitaa paaScime deSe gjnaana-vigjnaana-vardhinee', meaning: 'The blessing-power of Ramakrishna, carried by his disciple vivekananda into the west, flowed there to produce new arousals and achievements in spirituality, science and technology [ aviation, discovery of oil coincided with Vivekananda reaching the US in 1897]; it is the general perception that Ramakrishna and Vivekananda are the reincarnations of Krishna and Arjuna again.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 04, 2007 12:00 AM
61
Churchians, jihadians and castians, especially the Indians among them located in U.S., are perhaps paid servants of anti-hindu interests worldwide to deny, decry and divide sand destroy hinduism. Contradiction to convince them otherwise is perhaps a waste of effort, because they will continue to write on those lines only, as their source of livelihood. We cannot wake up those who are pretending to sleep!
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 04, 2007 12:00 AM
60
Tarun:
The older the colleges in U.S., the more anti-hindu and colonialist they are likely to be, perhaps. Engg depts appear to be more liberal and religiously tolerant.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
59
Seshadri:

Do go off to Pakistan, old fossil. The museum authoirties will be delighted to keep you as a permanent exhibit along with fossilised dinosaur dung.

You could also very usefully mutter your crazy mantras about managanam thandagatha mathtbitha garothamdhdhadhdha gachchadhdhandhanhti mahamaatis gauyonaha bidhubandhama and digital genetics to the jihadis. It might save your shrivelled skull and put them to sleep.

It must be a pleasure to belong to your religion.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
58
"Except for those who unconditionally identify with Sudras, Dalits and Tribals"

You set high standards of belongingness with deprived groups for a person living in USA and hating many things about India and it's past. I doubt if you sincerely believe in them. I am sure that seshadri, irrespective of the nature of wisdom in his viewing the events of the world through jumbled sanskrit words, is more connected to grass root India than you are.
chaitanya
chennai, India
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
57
Contd:
vaSam aanaya : varenye Samanam aanaya: take to progressively higher spiritual levels towards identity with Your own Absolute Self; at one level this prayer requests Ganesha to help the invoker overcome genetic deficiancies tendencies, in life and thro the cycles of birth and rebirth; at other level it invokes Ganaesha to bring all 'jana'-state beings into the 'nara' state, and then all naras, including himself/herself into the 'Siva' state of Absolutely expansive and intrinsic awareness; Ultimately, Himself in Siva state, in tune with Lord Siva in yoga-nishTaa, the invoker calls upon Ganesha to bering all beings in tune with Absolute level. Thus, Vinaayaka is a viSesha-naayaka or viSwanaayaka, on whom Lord Siva Himself relies for the spiritual evolution and salvation of all souls. [even if Skanda is born as Jesus, He needs to by 'baptized' by Vinaayaka born as 'John the baptist' !]
swaahaa : swayam aahavayaaami iti: Surrendering oneself; or putting yourself into it, as aahuti into sacrificial fire; In this case the invocation is asking the divine Ganesha to draw all beings into his conciousness; expressed differently, the invoker is unconditionally surrendering himself to the divine Ganesha as the Absolute cosmodynamic operator.

Cncluded.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
56
gam : Gumanum dadaati iti; Gumanum - direction; Ganesha controls the direction of movement of the being and beings at large -ensuring that things are moving in the right direction;
gaNapataye : Ganapathi or Ganesha controls Gamana Vritti and ensures the progress of individual beings or life-forms to maintain evolutionary balance.
vara-vara-da : Vara is blessing - and it seeks to get guidance from Ganesha for the best direction to move forward; In this case the two Vara's together indicate not only the best but the most optimal direction based on all - invoking Ganesha to help us move in the best of the best directions. Ganesha is Narayana in action, the entire cosmic process in action - aadiyaanaam aham vishnuh, He says in Geeta; GaNesa is worshipped with 'suklaambara-dharam vishNum' etc.
Sarva : All ; All living beings; All soul and spirit; The all inclusive - the absolute omnipresent; being addressed.
Janam : Janam - Genetic being; janoyam janoyam janma cakrastha keeTah; The Jana is a genetic being with no knowledge or awareness of Narayana or the divine, suject to life-birth cycles;
When the Jana being becomes aware of the Absolute or the divine - it has anugraha and becomes a Nara; the divine hold never foresakes the devotee after that, na me bhaktah praNaSyati [Geeta]- this is what we refer to as Anugraha; naro-aham to bhakto naaraayaNasya
At the final stage Narayana becomes the heart of the being; Sivoham Sivoham Sivah kevaloham; in tune with all-goodnes God, with only love for all beings, God is love.
When the jana being becomes a nara and eventually attains Siva state in Siva-yoga - where He is Siva [time] with Vishnu [space] at His heart- witnessing the Desha (Space)- Kaala (Time) continuum forming the foundation for Maaya or divine play in action, where Maaya or the divine mother creates the universal dance in the space-time continuum;
Mea : many meanings:
1. myself as genetically living being, as ordinary human; janoyam janoyam janmacakrastha-keeTah

2. me, myself, as spiritually evolving gnostic being: naro-aham tu bhakto naaraayaNsya;

3. for my sake, all living beings, Myself having evolved to identity with the spiritual Absolute: Sivo-aham bhavo-aham Sivah kevalo-aham.

When meditating from the Sivoham standpoint, the words 'sarva jana' above take the following two meanings:

i) carbogenetic beings of the 3 worlds; & ii) beings subject to survival of fittest law of evolution.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
55
kleem : kleem represents the creation of biological lives from the Absolute when matter and spirit come together and coexist and coact. From the absolute both spirit and matter are released. When they come together they create the dance of life. When the two separate, the matter becomes inert and the spirit is left with no form.
kleem kalyaaNyai namah om;

kleem kalyana yuktih, kali-yaatana yuktih

The coming together of matter and spirit leads to Kalyana - this in many ways is why marriage between a couple is also called Kalyanam in India; During the marriage the male element has excess hreem shakthi [om hreem namah Sivaaya] and the female element has excessive hreem shakthi[ Sivaayai namh Sreem iti]. They come together to create balance, cancelling excesses of rajas and tamas, letting satva, santum yogya, to prevail. ;

glaum : While Kleem creates a combinatorial process that allows for the emergence of life and the evolution of life. While this in general leads to positive outcomes, that may not always be the case. On occasion the combination leads to undesirable results, glaani of dharma, that need to be eliminated. Glaanyaam+ Um = Glaum; Creates a balance that eliminates undesirable off-springs and protects evolution. This is the control function that is also associated with Ganesha. The control can be either analog (Gana Swastha - that is associated with Subramanya or Karthikeya) or Digital Control ( Gany Swastha - that is associated with Ganesha); Ganesha operates in the realm of digital control - when the mutation is outside of acceptable limits it terminates the mutation and returns the evolution to balance - hence Glayam (to destroy) + Um (Return to balance). As all digital systems, they eliminate noise and allow room.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
54
contd.:
Shreem : The Shreemkara signifies the most fundamental creative [srishTi-kaaraka] cosmo-dynamic of the universe - the release of Hydrogen atoms into free space. In time, oxygen atoms are also formed due to gravitationa combinations due to gravityn in space, eventually leading to formation of water molecules 'aapa' and carbon molecules 'sarva' for formation of various life forms. The hydrogen atom - consisting of the basic Proton and Neutron combination, essential for water formation anf lives, is also referred to as the 'naara', coming out of naaraayaNa, its residence, also called viSwam vishnur vasat-kaara.
"aapo naarah iti proktaah aapo vai narasindhavah te yad asya ayanam tasmaat naaraayaNa udeeryate"
Hreem : The Hreemkara connotes the emanation and operation of the spirit (paraa-shakti or gnaana-shakti). The paraa-shakti or higher power imposes the contractive force of Gravity on matter and causes the hydrogen atoms to come together of masses in space, those exceeding the Chandrasekhar limit in size achieving fusion and becoming the suns and stars, the aadityas or sons of aditi [another name for the cosmic spirit of gravity force, gauree gagana-dhaariNee]. Fusion is accompanied by the release of physical energy as light, as the lightest form of matter/energy, for the sustenance of possible lives on planets. Masses of size below the Chandrasekhar limit remain as daiyas [sons of diti], incompltete stars subject to eventual dissipation under the law of continuous increase of entropy. The aadityas attain the amrita-bhaava or eternalty of life, continuously transforming their mass matter into equivalent light energy, for the sustenance of lives around them.
Omkaaraat SrishTitaah naaraah
Hreemkaaraat krishTitaah sadaa
Sreem-kaaraat pushTitaah lokaah
aim kleem gloum gam su-paalitaah

Since something positive cannot come from nothing or zero, the emergence of matter, or aparaa prakriti, is simultaneously accompanied by the release of its opposite also from the zero of empty space, namely the anti-matter, or paraa Sakti, or holy spirit, otherwise also called Shiva-Shakti, or goodness power [God-power], or vishnu-maayaa, governing the relativist dynamics of the cosmos of matter, spirit and lives in the universe...

poorNam idam poorNam adah
poorNaat poorNam udacyate
zero this now in sum, zero there before,
zero transforms into zero

v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
53
When One reads Coutright's nonsense on Ganesa, one is tempted to give below an introduction to the mahaaganapati mantra:
The Mahaa-Ganapathi Moola-mantra is a prayer for the welfare of the cosmos, seen variously as per the spiritual level of the practitioner - and the mantra takes on a multitude of implications, accordingly. The meanings of the individual aksharas combine to lead the practitioner's consciousness through the various stages of the evolution of the absolute super-conscious into the universal reality, and eventually seeks to invoke the blessings of the operative divine on all living beings, including humanity. Encoded in this mantra is the knowledge and understanding of the supreme cosmo-dynamic intelligence; the emergence of the physical world and the spiritual world controlling it; and their interplay that creates, protects and sustains the universe as we know it.



Om : The Om is a shortened form of So-aham. Soham places the prayer at the level of the awareness and consciousness of the individual who invokes the mantra, either as individual self or as a rishi or saint praying for universal welfare. Soham - short for Sah (HE) + Aham (I am), "that I am"; To the extent the practitioner recognizes "that" as the spiritual reality - it helps him to identify himself with the same. While the novice may see "that" to be the eternal component in his individual self', the amrita-aatma in him, the realized master with the same word will see the super-conscious intelligence that underlies himself and the whole cosmos. Each one is drawn instantaneously to identify with one's own awareness level and evolve from there.
-- continued --
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
52
VARUN:

Should upper castes speak in the name of Hinduism you ask.

Certainly not. The real Hindus are the Sudras, Dalits and Tribals, who form the vast majority of those who are described as Hindus, have been and are ruthlessly ostracised and plundered and raped and murdered by Brahminists throughout Indian history - that's the worst Indian holocaust - and have had their achievements in terms of temples and sculptures stolen by Brahminists who minted gold from them.

Would I want the upper castes to identify with some other tradition, you ask.

You bet I do, 100 per cent. Except for those who unconditionally identify with Sudras, Dalits and Tribals and totally disown the quasi-Nazi upper casteist culture and history. Unregenerate Upper casteists should identify with the Ku Klux Klan or Osama Bin Laden for all I care. The best plan is to have them be taken care of in Pakistan. Good riddance !

Nobody will miss ya, baby.

Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
51
Seshadri or Shitadhri, you are an ignoramus. Tagore was a Brahmin of Brahmins as well as a third-rate scribbler.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
50
Parbat: >>"Brahminists who have total contempt for Sudras and Dalits and Tribals who are the vast majority of Hindus !"

As I have said many times, soodra stands for 'Subha-uddhrraavaka' bringer-out of goodness and welfare for society, the real 'working-class' of civilizations; Gandhiji/Rajaji referred to dalits as 'hari-janas', God's children. In fact, pre-islam brahmins were forced to become 'post-islam dalits' in most parts of India. It would be nice if hindus of all castes try to unite as humans and redefine 'hindu' as "Humanity IN Divinity United", a religion of man for the world as suggested by Rabindranath Tagore, another non-brahmin as Chanakya would recognize.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
49
Parbat: >> "Seshadri, You should be sent to Pakistan and entrusted to jihadis with all your tribe."

Perhaps you are right. If I go to the banks of the Sindhu river and stay there and do my pooja and meditation there, the entire islamic world may get transformed into 'mahaa-mateeyas' or 'noble-minded' people instead of the 'mahaa-moodas' or 'great fools' they are now behaving like. I found from Google that the name of prophet Mohammed's mother was "Ameena", derived from 'Amen', in Latin, Om-kaara' in Sanskrit, meaning highest selfknowledge of oneself as the Absolute. When such a child of spiritualty [Ravana in atonement] came to create the noble religion of Islam, it appears Bakaasura was also born as Abu Baker to create its sunni-wahaabhi sect with primarily jihadi orientations. I suspect the same Bakaasura in now born as Parbat Laldeng and wants to send me to Pakistan. If you know Mushareff personally, you can tell him I shall be glad to help him rebuild the Taxila University, as Chairman for "Saiva-laya-vidyaa" or "civilization" studies, there.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
48
Ms. Banerjee seems intelligent. After all, graduating magna cum laude from Tufts and earning a Juris Doctor from Yale are no small achievements. Yet, this essay makes her seem like the illegitimate child of Rajiv Malhotra. Hinduism will need a better lawyer.

At the outset, she salutes “true pluralism and multiculturalism.” Whether they extend to inside India is an open question. Awkward questions of India as exclusively a “Hindu” culture abound. We will note that oversight as we focus on stories of “Hinduphobia.”

Her first story is pathetic and falls flat. She gives no context to the newspaper article that supposedly mortified her in high school. Yet, we are to conclude “Hinduphobia.”

Her second story walks us through her portal to Hinduism--Vivekananda’s works and to whom she offers daily aarti. She refutes an academic’s claim that Ramakrishna was a homosexual (or had an encounter) with nothing more than her “instinct.” Facts/arguments are for the birds. More than the non-refutation, her reaction is puzzling. So what if he were a homosexual? Isn’t it within the ambit of Hinduism’s famously tolerance to accept “everything”? A Yale law degree just isn’t what it used to be.

Next, we face a wretchedly agonizing choice between stick-on bindi and home-made kind. Whether it represents a drop of menstrual blood or just a button for lazy husbands to open automatic garage doors, the purpose of the story is lost among her whimperings. Without stating others’ comment, positive or negative, about her bindi, we are to conclude “Hinduphobia.”

She complains she cannot carry on “serious study” of Shastras because she is prevented by a false image projected by academics. Her actions are determined by the images projected by others? Otherwise, she would be reading her unread Puranas and Shastras in original Sanskrit? If “budding scholars” are “too embarrassed” and are “tempted to abandon those traditions” then they are motivated not by truth but by pursuit of social comfort.

If she doesn’t like Freudian psychoanalyses of Hinduism, then she should become an expert on Freud and demonstrate the misapplication of his insights, if any. Alternatively, she can take on a bigger job to undermine Freud’s entire approach. However, summarily dismissing academics’ claims as unsubstantiated might sell books but doesn’t win arguments. Surprisingly, the bad-boy Witzel from the California Textbook Controversy is suddenly transformed into an expert to undermine the Sanskrit manuscripts that Doniger relies on.

She speculates on the motives of the academics and makes conclusory allusions to “substantive” critiques without summarizing or previewing them. But she notes these incidents are not isolated. They are part of a larger conspiracy of a “deeply embedded historical and institutional paradigms.” Ex-squeeze me? Never mind.

Next, we get the Olympic pronouncement that scholarship should be “truth-seeking.” Although, it is a curious claim on behalf of a philosophy that teaches “truth” is relative and not objective. Why should those academics be bound by her “truth” and not their own?

Her claim the Hinduism occupies a “unique” status and poses the most serious challenge to Western intellectual and philosophical tradition is worth considering. However, advancing it requires champions not complainers as most claims aren’t self-proving. Even as the co-editor of an anthology, she is not up to the job.

Whipping up a sense of victimhood among Hindus is good pre-marketing. After all, she has a book to sell. She mentions it nearly a dozen times. As for her unread books on strotras and pujas, unexplored Hindu models of feminism and unwritten travelogue of her latest pilgrimage, they can all wait until the royalty check clears.

Sunder Iyappa
Sundari
Chennai, India
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
47
Varun:"I'll wager some twit has even seriously making such an intrusion."

Americans, particularly in midwest, seem to have developed good respect for hindu Indians, of all castes, may be because of the exposure to PG students and IT professionals coming in with decent habits and behaviour. When I met my son's old professor in Iowa State Univ., his fondness for him was such, he suggested I could conduct my son's marriage as per hindu rites in his house, when arranged ! Good children of India are really winning the hearts of good people all over the world.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
46
>>" And Hinduism is not just what brahmins do or say"

Thanks to chaitanya for emphasizing this point. Brahmins were only 'purohita's, 'placed in front' for doing the yagas etc. The 'kartas' or 'yajamaana's were only the kshatriyas and the vysyas who had the power and the wealth in the country, the OBCs of today.

Parbat should try understand this. "brahminism" is NOT a reality, but a concept invented by conversionists to degrade the humanism in hindu philosophy, divide hindus and destroy the indian civilization.

It may be true that a few poor brahmin scholarly families were the first to take to English education in India under Brittish and excel as lawyers, divans of states and professors, because of their sanskrit background; but, very soon, the highly competant non-brahmins of the kshatriya, vysya and soodra types caught up very fast and foreclosed the brahmins' prosperity by reservations etc brought about by Kamaraj, Karunanidhi et.al. Parbat may be glad to know that, at least in Tamil Nadu today, poor brahmin youth can only become priests in temples or cooks in hotels, unless some rich brahmin helps them to pay capitation fee to some moslem or christian group for an education in a 'minority'-run commercial school, college etc. and leave TN for survival outside, in India and abroad. Parbat may also be glad to know brahmins these days are having mostly small families, non-marriage is becoming common. In a few decades, not many brahmins may be left for being sent to Pakistan!
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
45
Dear Aditi,
Your anguish & commitment to your chosen cause is amply evident from your article. Also clear is your confusion & disorientation.As a trained attorney you know that to clear any confusion ask questions & go to basic fundamantals.
What are you trying to protact? -Hinduism. What is Hinduism? - a religion like many other. Why do you want to protact Hinduism? - You believe it has something valuable for mankind.What is it? Dharm (Dharma) What is Dharm? It will take millions of lines to answer this question & will still remain unexplained. However in a nutshell it is the unifying factor which retains & governs this cosmos. (Both matter & Conciousness). Albert Einstien in his unified field theory was trying to explore only one dimension of this mysterious concept. "Param Guhyam" says Krishna in Gita The greatest secret. Do you think you can really protact Dharm? No . You can only follow it. It is eternel Hence called sanatan Dharm.( sanatan means eternal).But like days & night, the intensity of dharm changes with cycles of time. (As Krishna said in Gita). Do not try to save Hinduism as it is not worth saving. It is like Ganga at Calcutta whose time is over. Let it run into the sea. It will be carried to Gangotri by clouds once again & emerge as bhagirathi.The word Hidu does not belong to indian ethos. It is a word coined by outsiders who never understood indian culture & could not pronounce sindhu.Our identity is sanatan dharma. we are also eternal entities like our sanatan dharma. Establishment of sanatan dharma is beyond human endeavor & is the duty of the Divine. Humans can only tag along when the time comes & enlightened ones play their role. Divine forces are already in action. Not much space left to write. I suggest you visit www.shivkripakendra.org , a divine site under construction to re orient your perspective, smile & make your contributions in establishing sanatan dharm. Enlightened souls like you are invited.

Rajeev Sharma
Delhi, India
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
44
Brahmins have literally provided latrines to the vast majority of India. A Bihari Brahimin named Bindeshwari Pathak is known for his low caste latrines popularly known as "Sulab Shauchalyas" in India. You can see these latrines practically in every city and most of the workers operating these latrines too are brahimins while those who use it are so called shudras or OBCs.
How ignorant and misinformed the world is about Hinduism and Brahmins.
P.N.Razdan
Gurgaon, India
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
43
Brahminists who haven't even provided the vast majority of the Indian population with latrines when they have monopolised Indian governments for decades undertake to teach the rest of the world how to reach "higher" spirituality !

What a sordid farce !

They are the most vulgar and contemptible "people" ever to contaminate the poor earth.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
42
It is interesting to note that a lot of this junk scholarship comes from private universities like University fo Chicago and Emory, which have clear connections to Christian groups. I tend to discount most humanities scholarship emanating out of such places.
chandra
Portland, USA
Jul 03, 2007 12:00 AM
41
What a disaster for Hinduism that the people who claim to defend it are nearly always Brahminists who have total contempt for Sudras and Dalits and Tribals who are the vast majority of Hindus !

These upper castes speak pompously in the name of Hinduism when they are its most poisonous and dangerous enemies.

They uderplay the horrific crimes of casteism and the karma doctrine, both of them deadly weapons with which they have over thousands of years terrorised low castes and Dalits and Tribals.

They try to give Westerners a completely false Brahminist idea of what Hinduism is, and many Westerners, seeing the horrible oppressive and dirty theory these Brahminists proudly present for the poisonous monstrosity that it is, grow to hate what they think is "Hinduism".

These Brahminists should be fought tooth and nail, exposed and chased out to Pakistan.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Jul 02, 2007 12:00 AM
40
Fantastic article. Many thanks to the writer and the Outlook. I must also add that in the american school system, India/hinduism gets mostly negative remarks. Students do come out of schools getting a negative view of the country. I am a little surprised that the NRI community thet are so active in so many fields, do not raise voice against it.
Abhik Ray Chaudhury
Columbus, United States
Jul 02, 2007 12:00 AM
39
The western world, especially the USA, has become completely disillusioned with its materialistic way of life ... since the 60-70's the western youth has been looking for soul-searching answers led by the pop stars. Despite wealth and prosperity the christianity has not been able to address the pressures and miseries of rat race in the west.

"Enlightenment thought did not begin a few hundred years ago in the narrow Western sliver of the world. Instead, the advent of rationality and scientific thought can be traced back several thousands of years ago to the very dawn of Hindu civilization, which gifted the world with the concept of 'zero,' the 'Arabic' numeral system, the decimal system, algebra and trigonometry, and astonishingly advanced knowledge of astronomy, etc.

Hinduism never faced the schism between science and faith that has plagued the Western world, because new knowledge was always welcomed with an open mind. New knowledge was never perceived as a threat, because in the Hindu framework, wisdom was never limited to the revelations of one prophet or one canon but rather was always solidly based on insights of all who had reached certain stages of enlightenment. Hindu thought would thus be of immeasurable value as an approach to the reconciliation of science and faith, one of the most important challenges facing the modern world."

"By far the oldest living religion in the world, Hinduism has been the source of the Dharmic traditions, as Judaism has been the source of the Abrahamic religions; however, it has developed along a tract distinct from that of the Semitic faiths. The core concepts of Sanatana Dharma do not translate into Abrahamic terms--dharma, karma, moksha, and yoga have no English equivalents. Yet, it continues to flourish with almost a billion adherents; it has not abandoned its rich pantheon of an infinite variety of forms and manifestations of Ishwara; from time immemorial, it has worshipped and revered Shakti, the female divine; it has not yielded to Islamic conquest or Christian conversion; and it has not obligingly morphed itself to adapt to Western paradigms. Thus, Hinduism stands apart, and in this light, may pose the most serious challenge to Western intellectual and philosophical hegemony today."

"British destroyed our traditional educational systems like the gurukula system, the traditional way in which knowledge about Hinduism has been transmitted for thousands of years. Because the infrastructure for producing our own home team of Hindu scholars has been destroyed, we are at a serious disadvantage in producing indigenous Hindu scholarship independent of the Western academic system. Any current initiatives to promote traditional Hindu forms of education are immediately derailed as being fundamentalist Hindutva."

Same as IIT/IIMs, several Institutes for the study of Vedanta, Sanskrit and our various Shastras must be opened in great centres of learning in India, like Nalanda, Ujjain, Varanasi and Kanchi by government of India with generous scholarships for deserving students rgdless of their caste or religion. In addition to all Hindus, Jains and Buddhists, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Parsees etc. should be encouraged to go these institutes where they should be free to practise their faith.

Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Jul 02, 2007 12:00 AM
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Parbat,

You need to know what you ar really against. Is it just brahmins or is it india and indian people in the garb of denigrating hinduism. Your postings indicate a appreciation for Islam and contempt for India and Hindus in general. This kind of postings by a person living in India, i am sure will be registered by some government agency. But you live in USA and sound like a India hater. Some confused desi i believe living in his delusional world. Peace.
chaitanya
chennai, India
Jul 02, 2007 12:00 AM
37
Seshadri:

You are a perfect example of Brahminist garbage. You speak unctously of non-violence while suggesting that the hellish caste system "preserved" your so-called Hinduism.

Scum like you are the worst enemies of Hinduism.

When I come across human garbage like you I think it is not so senseless or unjust that India will be taken over by Islam. Anything is better than such twisted vermin like you.

You should be sent to Pakistan and entrusted to jihadis with all your tribe.

The Kashmiri Pandits have already been crushed to the gutter. Let us see what happens to your lot.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Jul 02, 2007 12:00 AM
36
And Hinduism is not just what brahmins do or say. Other hindus are part of it too and they will as long as they are not identified themselves as christians or muslims.
chaitanya
chennai, India
Jul 02, 2007 12:00 AM
35
Parbat says,

"This Banerjee is another crude and contemptible NRI type"
"There was no India before the British - itwas created by the East Indai Company throwing some colonies together for administrative convenience."
"What we know of Hinduism is as much an invention of the British and bully beef or the Beatles."

Well, you accuse aditi banerjee of being contemptible NRI and your residence is in Denver, USA. Being a Shudra and living in India, i find aditi banerjee to be less contemptible than you. The shudras and dalits have issues against brahmanism but they don't rubbish indian nation and their culture the way you do. Hinduism is a everyday living and breathing religion that is part of a large indian population of india.
chaitanya
chennai, India
Jul 02, 2007 12:00 AM
34
''...some twit has seriously *considered* making such an intrusion".
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Jul 02, 2007 12:00 AM
33
This Banerjee is another crude and contemptible NRI type, oozing repellent Bania possesiveness about "Hindu" culture. She is a spokesman for the oily and dishonest upper casteist clown Rajiv Malhotra.

These Brahminists prate about Westerners "stealing" Hindu religious and philosophical ideas....As though ideas are not available to the whole world to take as it pleases ! As though their greedy casteist gang have not been the greatest cultural thieves of all time - boasting as theirs the temples and sculptures built with the sweat and blood of Sudras and Dalits whom they treated and treat like shit.

These vermin like Banerjee speak of the "crown jewels" of Sanatana Dharma, Hindu "philosophy" etc. What is it except inhuman casteist oppression and cruelty and rape theft? Upper castes got some idea of how to be human from the Muslims and the Christians who condemned their thuggish barbarian ways. There was no India before the British - itwas created by the East Indai Company throwing some colonies together for administrative convenience. What we know of Hinduism is as much an invention of the British and bully beef or the Beatles.

The Brahminist scum created nothing worthwhile and robbed the lowrr castes and Dalis mercilessly. Now they go off to Amrika and boast about "their" Hinduism ! !

What contemptible frauds, thieves and parasites !

They were utterly defeated in the California Textbook controversy, and their scumbag Brahminist swindle will certainly vanish from India. So much the better. Brahminists should be sent to Pakistan. No-one will miss them.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Jul 02, 2007 12:00 AM
32
read in previous post as "Banerjee".
chaitanya
chennai, India
Jul 02, 2007 12:00 AM
31

Seshadri, can you picture the idiocy of one of those intellectual academics, whether Indian or American, coming to your family's gathering and shouting "Hinduism is all about caste, oppression of women, superstition and discrimination against non-Hindu minorities". They would be laughed at as idiots, and rightly so. I'll wager some twit has even seriously making such an intrusion.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Jul 02, 2007 12:00 AM
30
I agree with Parbat about upper castes(namely brahmins) succumbing and portraying meekness in the face of vicious campaign against hinduism and hindus by dubious western indic scholars.

Is it any wonder that the brave face of Hinduism was presented to Americans not by a brahmin, but by a shudra - vivekananda.

Aditi Baerjeee will spend rest of her life whining about white bullies instead of taking up something constructive and original to reinvigorate hinduism if she doesn't get out of the banjerjee brahmin mindset and be one of the billion hindus like vivekananda. Let the white christians say what they need to say. Hindus need to step up the ante by remaining unperturbed about such silly interpretations of hinduism and instead must focus on reducing the ills internal to the religion, improve the living standards of people, and bring the good part of religion to the fore( as they did with yoga, ayurveda).

The whites will have to change their way of looking at hinduism when those silly interpretations don't apply. They apply now and impress upon the many ignorant people of america because India is a poor nation with hindus divided and deprived, which makes the many americans believe that hindus and their religion is nonsense.
chaitanya
chennai, India
Jul 02, 2007 12:00 AM
29
Seshadri, nice message. Your previous description of Hinduism as 'polymorphic monotheism' really touches a chord. Lovely! Laldeng, are you saying that those born into the so called 'upper castes' have no right or business to talk about how Hinduism is portrayed, even when they themeselves identify with the religion and at least profess it officially? Would you rather they identify with something else, and go against all their best instincts? Remember too that 'Hinduism' is not just temples and sculptures, impressive as those are( and yes, logic tells you that labourers built those structures, with perhaps priests now-and-then serving as planners, but in most cases probably not) . It's also philosophy, ceremony, literature, and above all else, people. Priests were also killed or forcibly converted by the Moslem and Portuguese invaders.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Jul 02, 2007 12:00 AM
28
A surprisingly pro-hindu article on OUTLOOK, whose outlook on hindus is generally negative.
Perhaps, they expected more reaction postings like that of Shariff.

As for Aditi's worries about the preservation of hinduism, she need not worry, really. The ageless religion will survive to eternity as a 'saarva-janika mata', an inclusive religion for all mankind to eventually agree upon. As we say, 'satyam eva jayate', truth will triumph, eventually, and, hinduism is essentially a religion of truth and nonviolence.

Foolishness and prejuduce masqueradinng as scholarship in self-appointed academics cannot sustain the bluff very long. During my own first visit to the US midwest in 1959-61, I happened to talk to church groups, telling them that the linga as a shapeless stone was chosen as symbol of the shapeless/formless [and hence 'all-shapes and forms'] Absolute, although its association with phallus was also justified since all matter and spirit in cosmos originated from the ONE Absolute. When I also said the gayatri was only a sanskrit version of the hymn 'lead kindly light', I received friendly handshakes from elderly ladies with tears in their eyes!

The most famous American poet of unitarian midwest has written the famous poem 'bramha' on the Absolute as seen by the hindus. During a recent visit to the Swaminarayan temple in Peoria, Ill., I found elderly American ladies visiting there were insisting on full guided tours of the place!.


Average American are unlikeky to read the ugly academics referred to by Aditi, or ever be convinced by their premises. But, committed hindus living in the U.S. should ensure that their children got their concepts of hinduism from the family library and pooja room, NOT from American school books on history.

Recently we conducted my grandson's upanayanam in a temple hall in Peoria, half the visitors were American and they carefully listened and fully appreciated the spiritual and psycho-scientific meaning behind of the gaayatri mantra, when explained by me. A similar gathering in Chennai would have simply ignored such a presentation, preferring gossip and photography to philiosophy!
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jul 02, 2007 12:00 AM
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This miserable Aditi Banerjee is just another example of an upper caste worm writhing with moronic inferiority complex toward the Great White World.

You are terrified and ashamed of what some ignorant Western lout may say about Hinduism.

Who the heck cares a donkey's arse?

Does any Hindu worth the name take his or her idea of Hinduism from some btain-dead Harvard noentity? What they say let them say.....


So what if Hinduism is sexualised? Why shouldn't it be?

And are you,a lousy upper caste, aa Hindu anyway? You are jus an upper casteist, and those people are the WORST enemies of Hinduism. The Sudras and Dalits buil;t the temples and carved the sculptures and did all the hard work to create Hindu culture. Your lot merely exploited and boasted about it.

To hell with your crowd ! They are worse than the mercenary Western academics.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Jul 02, 2007 12:00 AM
26
Better waking up late than never!
The fact is,the primitive semitic religions, islam and christianity are most hostile to Sanatana Dharma because of their inferiority complex, stemming from true inferiority.

When there is even a facade of rational debate ( as in the Parliament of Religions, Chicago, late 19th century) Vivekanada blew them to smithereens. That is why they fear straightforward debate.

Both christianity and islam, being Hate Cults, have the viciousness to spit and run, much like communism( the youngest of the hate cults)

While Hinduism alone has the strength to receive and overcome criticism, these cults are brittle, and would collapse the moment you question and expose their ridiculous dogmas. Let us take for example the question of Jesus' paternity- where Jewish records refer to Yeshua ben Pandera, an illegitimate son of roman soldier Pandera or Pantera. Unlike innuendoes and wrong translations hurled at Hindu religious texts, this is entirely authentic, from Jewish and greek (Celsus) sources . You may be sure, this is never ever referred to in the official media of the West or in school texts, but a google search will suffice to point at the truth. Let us also consider the Resurrection- the greatest hoax in history -
http://www.felicity.com.au/paper-resurrect.htm
.

As for the catholic church, their sins of omission and commission are well documented. Let's have a quick look
http://www.atheistsunit...isdom/Nelson/popes.html


No wonder this religion believes attack is the best form of defence.
radesh rangarajan
chennai, India
Jul 02, 2007 12:00 AM
25
Imaginary excavations

Year 2060 at the South Asian University of American Studies in the Deparment of Merged Religions (SAUAS), Prof Munnabhai III and Prof Circuit III collaborators , discuss the remains of the religious studies dug out of the American continent ( do not ask how they got it, please see the title).

They have given up their ancestral tapori Hindi and discuss their findings in English.

Prof Munnabhai. This finding is interesting. This lady is totally nude and writing a review about religion in India
Prof Circuit: Yes, she has written all about shit and piss, with a a lot dirty stuff. Looks she is obsessed with the body and that is why she is writing in nude.
Prof Munnabhai: DNA evidences clearly indicate that this, Mandy Crookger has Type 1 & 2 Diabetes.
Prof Circuit: Look here, here it says, in her diary that she had huge elephant like appetite and she could not eat sweets because of diabetes. So she used to thorow sweets out of the window in disgust
Prof Munnabhai : Chimp Jumpry Karupal, he has one hand in his arse and the other he has a torn paper written about how to scratch one's arse with both hands at the same time.
Prof Circuit : So much advancement those times and so low thinking about scartching arses. Must have been a continent of funding perverted individuals.
Here is another. Galla Sidacourt. says Prof Munnabhai. " There is an account that Galla Sidacourt roamed round his claasroom with tight string attached emanting from the fork section of his pants , going below his legs with the string tied to his pony tail behind. He used to give lectures in this attire in his University. Very intriguing and very difficult to decipher.
Prof Circuit : it is very easy to interpret. See Prof Munnabhai , once the string is attached to both the ends, then as our ancestors , meaning Indians , South Asian Indians in Hindi would say will happen. I am trying to recollect it " Tabla noise" and "lute". Prof you may be knowing the saying.
Prof Munnabhai pauses for while and goes and gets a book of sayings in Hindi and hits at the right one and exclaims " Na Bhajegi Bhas Na Basuri"
gajanan
Sydney, Australia
Jul 02, 2007 12:00 AM
24
While I have a lot of sympathy with what is written and agree whole heartedly that the comments made about Hindu Dharma are unacceptabale are you not somewhat guilty of committing a similar offence?

"Here is our own story: We, too, believe that Sanatana Dharma is unique. It is the source from which arose the great traditions of Buddhism, Sikhism, and Jainism."

No! Jainism did not arise as an offshoot of Hinduism. That is a common fallacy which has only originated in the last century. There is not one shred of evidence which suggests that it originated from Hinduism. On the contrary for hundreds of years it was recognised as an independent, and seperate religion. It has its own philosopy, scriptures, festivals, places of worship, practises. What we do share is a culture.

I agree that Hindu Dharma deserves respect. All I ask is that in turn you do not belittle the Jain Dharma.
Saggar Malde
London, United States
Jul 01, 2007 12:00 AM
23
A pat on the back to Aditi for this write up. Good job, she has expressed the thoughts of millions of Hindus who feel the assault but have not been able to put forward assertively their convictions.

Based on several articles and clippings I have come across, it is my firm belief that the WESTERN - American,British etc INTELLECTUALS, ACADEMICS, THINK TANKS ARE DEFUNCT IN THEIR THOUGHT PROCESSES WITH RESPECT TO SPIRITUALITY AND RELIGION. However, educated or elite or experts these people are their brains and IQ is pretty much restricted to economic analysis.

The complexity,the pluralism, the vibrancy, richness and depth of Hinduism can never be grasped by the western world. Its just not in their DNA to have the capability and capacity of comprehending truth. Well, can not blame the western intellectual brains for what they are born with and given in terms of religion and faith is not enough to draw parallels with any of the eastern philosophies,culture and religion.

Hindus are way too tolerant and in this changed world it is time to awake and stand up to correct the lesser fortunate folks of the western world who do not have the capacity to understand Hinduism.

God Bless.
sastri v
Hyd, India
Jul 01, 2007 12:00 AM
22
A well written and thought provoking article from Aditi Banerjee. Hers is a dilemma and angst in being a Hindu which i believe many such people go through while living outside India where they have to face the bully attitudes of majority communities who dismiss Hindu traditions as being represented only by institutions like dowry, sati. It's deliberate and wicked. But i am sure any true able bodied and spirited Hindu can deal with such difficult circumstances and use them to realize their own identities and educate the local populace about the Hindu traditions. About the term Hindu, it was never defined unambiguously. A layman like me can associate that word with any traditions - varying at times and from place to place - followed by people belonging to India. It could be Islam, Christianity. But the converts to Islam, Christianity does not like to claim that identity as their own. There could be changes to this behaviour if and when British institutions including the term India, is weakened and replaced by new identities churned by indigenous people which will have the local touch to national identity that can be brought about by the energies and efforts mainly led by the majority community. The terms could take new meanings, and the word Hindu might lose it's meaning too, but the following identities will help in reducing the ambiguity regarding who we are.
chaitanya
chennai, India
Jul 01, 2007 12:00 AM
21

What do you mean, Deepak Bose, when you refer to "you Indians"? Aren't you one, at least by origin. Indians are quite capable of coming up with their own independent assessment of global phenomena like Commmunism, Islamism etc. They don't need to be told what to think, unlike the Communist countries or the common Moslem, both of whom need everything spelled out for them in clear, stark terms. I would also add "millions of Americans" to the list of people who need their media to tell them about the good guys and the bad guys, the good religions and the bad religions. Indians are among the most independent minded thinkers in the world, and the most independent minded in Asia, without question.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Jul 01, 2007 12:00 AM
20
A pig in a gutter will retain the smell of the shit even when it comes out.and those who associate themselves with such pigs also can not get away from the bad smell and odour.If Adit banerjee has read Swamy vivekhanandha sincerely she could have understood what a gem of a person he was.Swamy vivekhanandha and his spiritual Guru shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa were maligned by Chrisitan missionaries and their stooges even when Swamiji was in Us .he had demolished the so called superiority of christianity and this was too much for the missionaries to bear.that is why they had got published in the american newspapers of those times all cock and bull stories against swamiji.it is a pity that people like adit Banerjee still vomit what the present day progeny of christian missionaries like the so called american professors say and distort about Swamy vivekhanandha and shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa.titles like banerjees,munshis,and sinhas mean nothing to ordinary hindus like me.they all deserve to be kicked in the ass if they dont have brains to understand the true motives of the so called intellectual american professors.being an attorney by hook or crook does not make one a calibred person to search for Hindu values like a blind person attempting to see an elephant.seeing this half backed article one can only exclaim.The Hindhu Dharma Caravan will go on and on for ever while dogs and their stooges may bark at it,by false insinuations,and with malafide intentions,under the garb of intellectual superiority and under the arrogance of power and positions
arun
newdelhi, India
Jul 01, 2007 12:00 AM
19
A pig in a gutter will retain the smell of the shit even when it comes out.and those who associate themselves with such pigs also can not get away from the bad smell and odour.If Adit banerjee has read Swamy vivekhanandha sincerely she could have understood what a gem of a person he was.Swamy vivekhanandha and his spiritual Guru shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa were maligned by Chrisitan missionaries and their stooges even when Swamiji was in Us .he had demolished the so called superiority of christianity and this was too much for the missionaries to bear.that is why they had got published in the american newspapers of those times all cock and bull stories against swamiji.it is a pity that people like adit Banerjee still vomit what the present day progeny of christian missionaries like the so called american professors say and distort about Swamy vivekhanandha and shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa.titles like banerjees,munshis,and sinhas mean nothing to ordinary hindus like me.they all deserve to be kicked in the ass if they dont have brains to understand the true motives of the so called intellectual american professors.being an attorney by hook or crook does not make one a calibred person to search for Hindu values like a blind person attempting to see an elephant.seeing this half backed article one can only exclaim.The Hindhu Dharma Caravan will go on and on for ever while dogs and their stooges may bark at it,by false insinuations,and with malafide intentions,under the garb of intellectual superiority and under the arrogance of power and positions
arun
newdelhi, India
Jul 01, 2007 12:00 AM
18
A pig in a gutter will retain the smell of the shit even when it comes out.and those who associate themselves with such pigs also can not get away from the bad smell and odour.If Adit banerjee has read Swamy vivekhanandha sincerely she could have understood what a gem of a person he was.Swamy vivekhanandha and his spiritual Guru shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa were maligned by Chrisitan missionaries and their stooges even when Swamiji was in Us .he had demolished the so called superiority of christianity and this was too much for the missionaries to bear.that is why they had got published in the american newspapers of those times all cock and bull stories against swamiji.it is a pity that people like adit Banerjee still vomit what the present day progeny of christian missionaries like the so called american professors say and distort about Swamy vivekhanandha and shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa.titles like banerjees,munshis,and sinhas mean nothing to ordinary hindus like me.they all deserve to be kicked in the ass if they dont have brains to understand the true motives of the so called intellectual american professors.being an attorney by hook or crook does not make one a calibred person to search for Hindu values like a blind person attempting to see an elephant.seeing this half backed article one can only exclaim.The Hindhu Dharma Caravan will go on and on for ever while dogs and their stooges may bark at it,by false insinuations,and with malafide intentions,under the garb of intellectual superiority and under the arrogance of power and positions
arun
newdelhi, India
Jul 01, 2007 12:00 AM
17
Brilliant article that exposes the hypocricy of these pseduo-intellectuals.
Keep up the good work. Hindus need more intelligent people like you who are not afraid to stand up for their religion. For too long have we been at the receiving end from foreigners and even our misguided brethern.
Vivek
Vivek Gumaste
New York, USA
Jul 01, 2007 12:00 AM
16
Dr. B. R. Ambedkar, the first Law Minister of Independent India who headed the Committee that drafted the 1947 Indian Constitution has written: " Hinduism is a veritable chamber of horrors. The sanctity and infallibility of the Vedas, Smritis and the Dharmashastras, the iron law of caste, the heartless law of karma and the senseless law of status by birth are to the Untouchables veritable instruments of torture which Hinduism has forged against Untouchables…"
Priest drinks goat’s blood
Deccan Chronicle March 12,2005

Chennai, March 12: In yet another weird but popular village temple ritual, priests in Salem in Tamil Nadu drank the blood of goats and chicken slaughtered as offering to the Angalamman (Kali) deity. But befo-re that, they visited the local graveyards to smear themselves with ash from cremation pits, according to reports reaching here.
The annual ritual, which falls on the New Moon day of the Tamil month of Maasi, was celebrated with boisterous piety across Salem on Thursday, with several priests congregating at the half-a-dozen graveyards swaying in trance. The devotees fed these priests, donning garlands of skulls and human bones to appear like the goddess herself, with fresh blood from goats and chi-cken. It was a scary sight for some but heady for most of the faithfuls gathered in hundreds along the roads, eyewitnesses said.
The priests guzzled with relish the blood offering, while swaying and screaming in trance. Some of them made predictions and some others warned of dire consequences if Angalamman was not properly worshipped. There were also elaborate worship rituals at the graveyards through the day.
Many childless women had thronged these graveyard poojas in the hope of begetting children by consuming the prasad offered to the Kali deity and her blood-guzzling priests.




sanaulla sharief
new york, United States
Jul 01, 2007 12:00 AM
15
*catalogue*, *she*
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Jul 01, 2007 12:00 AM
14

Satish, Aditi's article is highly soulful and well written. Your response by contrast is whiny and petulant. At least show some appreciation for the fine efforts of this smart young lady. Sanaulla Sharif, your diatribe seems like a "catalouge of the ills of the Hindoos(sic)"; you haven't grasped that the popular expressions of Hinduism do contain some features which seem unpalatable to the modern mind. But these features exist side by side with a more attenuated form of Hinduism which modern Indians are attracted to-the devotional, contemplative and meditative expression of the religion, with its accompanying philosophy. It is that refined phase of Hinduism( or Sanathana Dharma or Vedanta or whatever one wishes to call it) that Aditi is involved in, and on whose behalf se is making a spirited and impassioned defense.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Jul 01, 2007 12:00 AM
13
This is an excellent dissection of an important issue - that the academic left is bending over backwards to be "tolerant" to Islam, Christianity & Buddhism and so on, but considers Hinduism fair game for attack. Thank you for stepping up to the plate on behalf of all of us who derive so much meaning and purpose from our shared religion.
Suraj Pandey
New York, United States
Jul 01, 2007 12:00 AM
12
"Jeffrey Kripal's "theory" of Sri Ramakrishna as a homosexual who had homoerotic feelings about (and possibly abused) Swami Vivekananda."

We now see such canards about Mohammed, put forth by zionist websites and picked up by the sanghis.

>> This Hinduphobia acts as a poison.
>> when our most cherished deities and practices are exoticised or sensationalised, we are tempted to abandon those traditions and forms of worship that make us Hindu.

If Hindus have gone through this experience, how come they are not able to empathize with Muslims on what they are exposed to in this forum.

>> The Gita is a dishonest book; it justifies war (Doniger)

I have heard that one before about another religious book!

>> These homoerotic energies, in other words, not only shaped the symbolism of Ramakrishna's mysticism ....
>> Its (Ganesa's) trunk is the displaced phallus, a caricature of Siva's linga.

Psycho-history had its day, but now lies with voodoo and the reading of tea leaves. Mind you, Jesus and Moses were put on the same imaginary couch.

>> Hindu reverence for Agni, Indra and Surya evidenced a fascination for passing gas, as these deities are associated with passing enormous amounts of wind.

The flatulence belongs to the theorists!

>> not unprecedented for independent observers to act as watchdogs for the academic humanities profession.

Not a substitute for ongoing vigilance and struggle. You win some, you lose some.

>> the looting of a living religion, an entire spiritual and cultural tradition, by denigration and appropriation.

A recurrent complaint of Indian Muslims in relation to some of the activities of the parivar.

>> Hindus were too occupied with earthy pleasures and pursuits to develop an authentic spiritual and philosophical tradition of their own.

It is so easy to lie about the religions of others.

This article is very well written, lucid and well argued.

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jul 01, 2007 12:00 AM
11
Sanaulla Sharief,

That was a enlightening post from you about perversions among natives with respect to holy worship. But it was a immature post too. Will only lead to some posters abusing all that has to do with Muhammed's life and his religion.
chaitanya
chennai, India
Jun 30, 2007 12:00 AM
10
It seems the author went on a 'guided tour' of India. If she has actually lived in India just for a few weeks, she would have discovered the real India. To be passionate and sentimental is easy, but to accept the reality is very difficult. Let me take her to a brief tour across India. Kashmir, you have the Amarnath with the icy penises of their Gods, of course the smaller is that of Parvati, it being a clitoris. Ahmedabad and Bhopal, where there are dieties which drink alcohol and temples dedicated to Vaginas. Varanasi, where you have Aghora swamis who are cannibals consuming the flesh of the cremated bodies. Calcutta, where you have sadhus who dance with the decapitated heads of the freshly buried dead humans. Adilabad, where the priest will tear the neck of the lamb with his teeth and gulp a little blood. Tamil nadu, where the women dance without blouse.Bhutan, where the images of penises are painted at prime spots in the house hold and the men roam naked to ward off the evil spirits. Assam, go to Kamakayya temple where still human sacrifice is performed. Punjab, where the dalits are killed for skinning a dead cow and their action was glorified by the stelwarts of the Hindu community.Warangal, where the entire villages are Yellammas, the temple girls who indulge in flesh trade. Mathura, where the widows do anything to survive.Karnatake, where there is a temple for God of Homosexuality.Now let us go the Hindu texts. One can go to internet and search for the stories of the birth of Saraswati, the passion of Brhama for the Saraswati, the stories of incest and the never ending of instances of Nyog (Kings offering their wives to the Holy persons to get their seeds). To conclude even the word Hinduism defies defination. It was simply a adminstrative term to identify the people who are not Muslims and Christians. If the author wants all the references, I will forward it.
sanaulla sharief
new york, United States
Jun 30, 2007 12:00 AM
9
Nice article.
B Bhattacharyya
Morrisville, USA
Jun 30, 2007 12:00 AM
8
a correction please;

Swamy Vivekhanandha who "tore to pieces the western idea about the "Superiority of CHRISTIANITY". INADVERTENTLY I HAVE TYPED HINDUISM.THIS FATAL MISTAKE IS DEEPLY REGRETTED.
arun
newdelhi, India
Jun 30, 2007 12:00 AM
7
It is a problem with the Americanised Hindus like this author.they see Hindhu dharma through american eyes and through the opinions of American professors.Mark me,inspite of all their sophistication and gentlemanly manners the americans especially the educated have deep hatred for the very word Hindu.They want to spread Christianity and annihilate Hindhu Dharma.to do this they employ sophisticated ways.first they plant "suspicions"in your minds about any venerated Hindu figure.Denigrating a great soul like shri Rama Krishana ParamaHamsa and Swamy vivekhanandha who tore to pieces the western idea about the superiority of Hinduism fall under this category.should the author believe these half backed words of American professors who derive vicarious pleasure in indluging in mudslinging against Swamy vivekhanandha and Shri Ramakrishan Paramahamsa?if even after reading the great and complete works of Swamy vivekhanandha you want to judge him through American standards and glasses then you are just a pseudo hindu.you may be an attorney.but that does not give you any license to speak ill of hindhu dharma by quoting some unknown and unheard of american professors.understand hindhu dharma as a true hindu and not as a stooge of some christian missionary inspired american professors.itis better to be an atheist than to be a half backed hindhu
arun
newdelhi, India
Jun 30, 2007 12:00 AM
6
The best article I have read in a long time.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Jun 30, 2007 12:00 AM
5
Finally, typical Indian irrationality is slowing catching up with west and shows its influence through writers like Aditi Banerjee. To purportedly show the academic "Hinduphobia", all she offers is a bunch of interpretations from a dodgy academic discipline called psychoanalysis of religions. Otherwise she cites no "facts" or proposes no cogent hypotheses to even have a decent debate. She seems to forget that there is something called academic freedom but she can be easily forgiven after all her origin is from a place where castiest gurukul system was supposed to have been an epitome of academic freedom and pursuit. Thus she is historically entailed (not) to be rational or modern enough.
Sathish
Pune, India
Jun 30, 2007 12:00 AM
4
It is great work done by raising and quoting the names of professors. The problem for west is they have undone their bloody religious history and they are prejudiced about anything superior.
West is guided by some corporate interests at highest level which is willing to crush everything that could arise the sanity of western mind and take away their focus consumerism to more subsistence level life style.
The professors of western society by and large perverted sexually in line with Freudian principle. What can you expect from perverted mind? The thing that guides them is money, sex and maintaining western dominance, something similar to Osama Bin Laden.

Fear of both is similar, these true Muslims are trying last ditch to save the anachronous medieval Islam and true Christians are trying best at every level to protect their interest and demonizing Hinduism is prime target, they get easy support in form of Romila Thaper, D.N.Jha, Hrbans Mukhia,Irfan Habib and other so-called eminent historians from JNU-Delhi-Aligarh combine. It should not be death worry for us rather make same deep analysis of our system which is of universal appeal.

We don’t need to counter the same way they do as whole west is somehow united to proof white Mans burden. We need educated Indians who have lived with best tradition of Indian mysticism which is for enlightenment. And dissociating the perversion theory from their mind can be done with some Indian govt. which respects Indian tradition; you can not expect it from Congress who is involved in practicing subversive democracy.
vimal
Munich, Germany
Jun 30, 2007 12:00 AM
3
I was intensely gratified to read this essay. Such a work has been long awaited -- kudos to Ms. Banerjee and her colleagues. I will eagerly look forward to read this book.

Regards,

Dwai
Dwai Lahiri
Chicago, United States
Jun 30, 2007 12:00 AM
2
Very well articulated. One can almost feel the pain and anguish the author goes through as a practising Hindu.
shapra
Santa Clara, USA
Jun 30, 2007 12:00 AM
1
Hinduism at a crossroads ?! sad, but true - the problem does not lie with the self-styled intellectuals who attack/malign/buthcer Hinduism in an organised fashion, which itself is not very different from the way one group led by one Mr.Hitler decimated millions of one particular community (Only the modus operandus is different).
The problem lies in the way modern Hindus react to such obnoxious slaughter of a community's self-respect and dignity. Take for instance how the people of Bangalore reacted to American evangelist Benny Hinn's visit to the city early 2005 - prior to Hinn's visit, pamphlets were distributed throughout the city, which carried incredibly nauseating blasphemy equating idol worship to prostitution, thereby tacitly and cunningly calling almost all Hindus, prostitutes. Guess how our people reacted in Bangalore ? people went out on the roads breaking public property, while Mr.Benny Hinn, successfully emphatically accomplished his task of a 2-3 day evangelical talks to millions at the Jakkur airfield/grounds! in the end, one deserves what one gets!
Madhan
Bangalore, India
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