Narendra Bisht
presidential race
Our Lady In Raisina?
The UPA's penchant for surprises persists. After all other names fail, it springs a coup: Pratibha Patil. Updates
In the end, the UPA's choice for the next President was both a Patil and a Shekhawat-- Rajasthan Governor Pratibha Patil. Not to mention a "Marathi manoos", something that has already provoked Shiv Sena boss Bal Thackeray to begin drumming up support for her even in the BJP! And though Pratibha Patil has always used her maiden name, the name by which she was elected MLA in 1962, a little known fact is that her husband is a Dr Devisingh Ramsingh Shekhawat.
 
 
She was nicknamed "haldi kumkum bai" for her traditional looks. But Patil is also the quiet feminist.
 
 
Indeed, after Congress president Sonia Gandhi announced the name "Pratibha Patil" at a UPA-Left meeting at 7, Race Course Road, a beaming Union agriculture minister Sharad Pawar shouted out gleefully, "Pratibha Patil-Shekhawat".

And so, after hard-fought UPA-Left negotiations, it was seen to be fitting that a woman becomes India's First Citizen in its 60th year of independence. In political circles, the UPA's choice is being seen as a masterstroke: not just the symbolism of having a woman in Rashtrapati Bhavan, but to find one named Shekhawat, as many had feared Vice-President Bhairon Singh Shekhawat-- who had said he will contest as an independent-- might be able to induce cross-voting. Congressmen now triumphantly say, "Rajput chivalry demands Bhairon Singh step down for a 'daughter-in-law' of Rajasthan." Sonia is said to have called former PM A.B. Vajpayee for NDA's support. "It's too late to ask for support now," he is reported to have replied.

So who is Pratibha Patil? For one, after it was decided to field a woman, she emerged as the one with most impressive CV. (The others who figured on the 'shortlist' of 10 included noted Gandhian Nirmala Deshpande, senior Congress leaders Mohsina Kidwai and Margaret Alva.) At 72, Patil can look back on a varied political career, after she did her MA in her native Jalgaon and took a law degree in Mumbai. As a member of the Maharashtra assembly (1962-85), she was a cabinet minister several times, holding portfolios as diverse as education, health, urban development, prohibition and parliamentary affairs. Later, as Leader of the Opposition (1979-80), she had the tricky task of holding her own against Pawar, who had left the Congress to become CM of a Congress (S)-led alliance.

The line she is most remembered for is: "You should know the stuff which Pratibhas are made of"-- a reference to Pawar's own strong-willed, though apolitical, wife, also named Pratibha. (Now, though, Pratibha Patil has Pawar's full support: he's content in having blocked Shivraj Patil's elevation.)

Later, in the Rajya Sabha, she was deputy chairperson in '86-88. In '91, she was elected to the Lok Sabha. Ironically, after she had spent close to a decade out of the mainstream, it was apparently Shivraj Patil whose idea it was to pluck her out of semi-retirement for the post of Rajasthan governor in '04. Some of her colleagues say she owes her many firsts not so much to her innate qualities, but simply by being in the right place at the right time-- and a woman to boot. (This time, she happened to be the sole woman governor.)

She combines all the qualities typical of a Maharashtrian politician-- a range of welfare activities, links with the cooperative bank movement, a sugar factory in Jalgaon. And she has organisational experience too-- she was MPCC chief from 1988 to 1990. On the other hand, she is atypical; she has never pushed any of her relatives. Civil servants who have seen her at work describe her as "clean, decent, efficient-- one of the few women ministers who did not allow her husband to interfere". An IAS officer said, "She not only has administrative experience but she will bring a certain gravitas and dignity to the job."

Her look is decidedly traditional, with a demurely covered head-- in fact, she was nicknamed "haldi kumkum bai" not just for her large vermilion bindi, but because she used the traditional 'haldi kumkum' gatherings to draw women into the political sphere. But she is also the quiet feminist. She used her maiden name all her life and married late, at 31. She fits the Left's requirements-- "political", "someone of stature", and with solid secular credentials: in Rajasthan, she returned the BJP's controversial Freedom of Religion Bill in May 2006.

But how did her name emerge? The Congress's initial panel had four names-- Pranab Mukherjee, Shivraj Patil, Sushilkumar Shinde and Karan Singh. After the Left endorsed Pranab's name, all the UPA allies too accepted him. But gradually it emerged that Sonia's choice was Shivraj. He was not acceptable either to the Left or to the DMK-- the NCP, too, had reservations. Pranab, on his part, was compelled by the high command-- after the Left reiterated its support for him-- to issue two denials of any interest in the race, the last one just a day before D-day. "While I am grateful for the trust and confidence placed in me by some leaders, I reiterate my role in party and government is decided by the Congress leadership," he wrote.

About this time, the NDA decided to field Bhairon Singh as an independent to make it "easier" for unhappy UPA allies to cross-vote; there was also talk of a Third Front man. UP CM Mayawati's announcement that she would support the UPA candidate was phrased in such a way as to raise the Left's hackles-- it sounded as if she and Sonia were the sole arbiters.

Denouement: June 13 night. DMK boss M. Karunanidhi arrived in Delhi. He and Left leaders spoke to UPA allies-- Pawar, Laloo Prasad et al-- on the need to keep Shivraj out. A flurry of meetings ensued. The crucial one was the one around noon, June 14, at the PM's residence. Here, Sonia, Prakash Karat, Sitaram Yechury, A.B. Bardhan and D. Raja were present. The Left suggested it might be a good idea to have a woman. To which the PM, who had drawn up a list of possibles, suggested Pratibha Patil. After this, sources said, Bardhan-- who grew up in Nagpur and knows her well-- spoke on her background. That clinched it. Shortly, Ahmed Patel was despatched to Tamil Nadu House for talks with Karunanidhi-- the name was accepted. Later, Sonia Gandhi made Patil's name public.

For the Congress it's not just a President for 2007, but one for 2009. It is crucial to have a trusted loyalist in Rashtrapati Bhavan for the next election. The protracted negotiations also made one thing clear: 2007 is not 2004. Sonia had faced no opposition then in pushing her candidate, Manmohan Singh, for PM. Dazzled by her sacrifice, they had all accepted her choice. This time, that halo stands dimmed by a string of electoral defeats-- an indication of the troubles that lie ahead.




By Smita Gupta with Smruti Koppikar
 
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HAVE YOUR SAY
Jun 23, 2007 12:00 AM
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FarUki selectively quotes IE article about missing names of patil's kin on FIR.

Its a Quottrochi-congress ruled state.So Faruki does not accuse it's police of any wrongdoing,like he does Gujarat all the time.

The long IE article also ends with the following

//CBI officials said that hardly any progress has been made in the V G Patil murder case since the case was transferred to them barely two months ago. The agency had initially indicated to the Mumbai High Court that the case was not a fit one for a CBI inquiry but the High Court had nevertheless sought a CBI investigation.


Point is that the judiciary thinks that the congress ruled state police and investigative agencies cannot be trusted.

Traitor Faruki's double standards are exposing his jihadi ness.His standards are polar opposite where assertive Hindus eg BJP are in power.

But when psecular Congress jihadis are in power,he takes the very opposite position to help his islamist agenda.

Migrate to an islamic country,u lowest form of life traitor.Unfortunately jihadi muslims like u
outnumber Abdul kalams and Azeem tyagis.

Shame on u,for living in usa.
ash
san diego, United States
Jun 23, 2007 12:00 AM
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" Rajani Patil alleges Pratibha pulled strings to save brother in her husband’s murder; FIR doesn’t have brother’s name, SC rejected her petition".


http://www.indianexpress.com/story/160239.html
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jun 23, 2007 12:00 AM
65
The ideal move for the Congress at this point would be to organize a press conference wherein Prathiba answers questions regarding the recent allegations and categorically deny them. But given her penchant for deep thoughts and subtle comments, I can understand if Congress is reluctant to put her in front of the press. Lets see how things goes.

I would like to see the whole issue debated as it is a very serious issue. We cannot have a President whose brother is involved in a murder case. But there is a silver lining in every dark cloud. In the Afsal case, we were told how it would take seven years for the Home Ministry to decide the case. But if by chance the brother of the President is convicted of murder, he will be deemed fit for pardon in seven seconds. For once, our govt will act swiftly.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Jun 23, 2007 12:00 AM
64
This is from the Outlook report itself.

"Later in the night, CNN-IBN TV channel reported that Muktai Sugar Factory, said to have been founded by Pratibha Patil, was among the defaulters of bank loans."

Said to have been founded by Prathiba??????????? How difficult is it to find out who founded a company? This "said to have been" appears to be a spin. Unless denied by Prathiba herself, it is safe to assume she founded the company. The question is how much is she involved now? Will Madame Number Two answer some questions? Or will she follow the Sonia template of "no comments?

And I will be very surprised if the media pursues the issue seriously. The media, which studiously avoids asking tough questions to Sonia, would never ask tough questions to her lackey.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Jun 22, 2007 12:00 AM
63
This is interesting.


http://www.newindpress....++++N+E+W+S&Topic=-498&


So now we have one more first-a presidential candidate accused of protecting a possible murderer!! It is too early to say how much of the allegation is true and whether the case has any substance.

But Prathiba's comment is interesting-she refuses to comment. I would have expected an outrught denial first hand but we are getting only second hand denials. What does Prathiba know that we ought to know?
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Jun 22, 2007 12:00 AM
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Faruk to Ganesan

Ganesan,

//I was not analyzing the constitutional aspect. I was just expressing my dislike of Modi.

Its called hatred and bigotry,based on your islamic upbringing.

The point was that u should not be blinded with this hatred.But knowing your ilk nothing is rational or legal.

It is only religion,religion religion that colors all your posts as u proved here again.In a discussion on the highest constitutional post in India,just like your disrespect for the constitutional verdicts of supreme ct asin Shahbano and Afzal cases.

Migrate to an islamic country,u evil traitor.

ash
san diego, United States
Jun 22, 2007 12:00 AM
61
Pear writes//I pity ur spouse and friends and parents and siblings. Whenever they oppose u u must be using so called metaphors against them.

They are not congressi traitors who have robbed the 400 m poor,like u.

So qs does not arise of using the sonia asslicker
metaphor.Also they are not stupid or slimy to bring up hypotheritical egs like BJP would be happy when sushama is nominated,when the BJP has given us Abdul kalam,whom 95 % Indian people want.

This is like not admitting the best student just because you want the worst student to be admitted with corrupt personal motives.

Just like your motives here.Next time u look in the mirror,look carefully because you will see one of the most evil Indians with Sonia crap on his face,for which u deserve a medal.

ash
san diego, United States
Jun 22, 2007 12:00 AM
60
Ganesan,

I was not analyzing the constitutional aspect. I was just expressing my dislike of Modi.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jun 22, 2007 12:00 AM
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"Patil should also keep narrow-minded communalists like Modi away from PM's post. "

To compare a person of foreign origin occupying a PM post and Modi becoming a PM post is extremely naive. If at all Modi becomes a PM, he would have the mandate of the people and no President can stop him.

The case of Sonia was different. It was a legal question that tripped her-especially the law of reciprocity. Italy had no provision wherein a naturalised citizen could become the head of the state. And ofcourse Sonia holding properties in Italy. Kalam pointed out the legal implications and then Sonia withdrew her name to avoid legal battles.

To compare a pure legal issue with Modi just goes to show how much the hatred towards Modi blinds people. This is Modi Derangement Syndrome.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Jun 22, 2007 12:00 AM
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Narendra Modi makes two "high-minded" demands of Pratibha Patil, "Promise to keep persons of foreign origin away from the PM’s post and hang Parliament attack mastermind Mohammad Afzal." He also asks that Patil should not accept the vote of Lalu Prasad who protested the women’s reservation Bill in the Parliament.

Patil should also keep narrow-minded communalists like Modi away from PM's post.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jun 21, 2007 12:00 AM
57
Some posters yesterday criticized the fact that the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had nothing to say in the selection of the nominee for President. Karan Thapar looked into the UPA-Left meeting which picked the nominee :

"Congress was determined to press ahead with Shivraj Patil or, at least, Karan Singh and Sushil Kumar Shinde. The Left was adamantly opposed. Recognising this impasse, Sitaram Yechuri spoke out. We need a new name, he said. And then, cleverly using Manmohan Singh’s favourite phrase, he added the time had come to think out of the box.

"This was when Bardhan made his bid. “It’s time for a woman. After 60 years the next president should be one.” Something of my interview had lingered in his memory. That, at least, is what he told me. Suddenly Manmohan Singh intervened. “What about Pratibha Patil?”"
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jun 21, 2007 12:00 AM
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As I said here before, the joker(what is feminine for a joker?Jokeress??) Prathiba Patel has not made any comments on any issue since that purdah comment. As expected, congress put a purdah on her and sent her into a kitchen with orders of never to come out. Does anyone know where she is?

Probably we can give an ad in the Super Secular Hindu " People who know the whereabouts of MrsPrathiba Patel are expected to keep the information to themselves and not to reveal it to outsiders. Failure to do so will result in a lawsuit being filed against you by none other than MrQ".
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Jun 21, 2007 12:00 AM
55
I pity ur spouse and friends and parents and siblings. Whenever they oppose u u must be using so called metaphors against them.
pear
mumbai, India
Jun 21, 2007 12:00 AM
54
Pear to me

Thank God I can never stoop to ur level.







Ash mind ur language and ugliness.

REply
I am allowed to use metaphors.You are a sonia asslicker.So it is you who are stooping not me to lick.U cannot answer the argument logically.Do not divert.You are not a censor.I know people like you who dont like abuse,but when it comes to nude Hindu Goddesses and their vagina paintings,they and OLook call that freedom of expression.

I have the freedom to express a metaphor of an aaslicker like you.At least I have not wrote a whole article in Outlook,like Khushwant singh.

Did you call that stooping and were OL editors
stooping,you congress asslicker,just like OLook and most English media psecularist jihadi guys

I am far better than congress chamchas and traitors like you who have raped mother India for 60 yrs.

Land grabbing by congress in Maharashtra since 70 s,but u wake up only now to target political opponents.Enjoy the licking.
ash
san diego, United States
Jun 21, 2007 12:00 AM
53
Thank God I can never stoop to ur level.
pear
mumbai, India
Jun 21, 2007 12:00 AM
52
Ash mind ur language and ugliness.
pear
mumbai, India
Jun 21, 2007 12:00 AM
51
Pear's famous idiocy.She writes

//If Pratibha Patil is a BJP stooge like Sushma Swaraj then all these criticism even from the great Shobhaa De who writes trash would not have taken place.

Swaraj is not Prez candidate.So your hypothetical eg is nonsense. The only one BJp gave as prez to country is Abdul Kalam who is wanted by most Indians.

That is the difference between BJP and congressi chamchas and traitors like you, who force chamchas like Zail Singh and Emergency F.A Ahmed and leeches like nARAYAN, who was dying for living in palatial comfort and 2 nd term.

Whom are you fooling PEAR,by trying to mask your congressi evil in your words here?Let India be screwed.Do you think u can hide that traitor-giri by just using some words here?And hiding facts with hypothetical crap like sushma swaraj example.

Sonia's excreta is all over your mouth and nose,you sonia asslicker.
ash
san diego, United States
Jun 21, 2007 12:00 AM
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Faruk//Ash, Tarun and Mall are not only three different ID's of the same loathsome Minu, but the three of them talk to each other, patting each other on the back. This is a trick to give the false impression that there are more people in this forum holding Minu's obnoxious and hateful views than there actually are

Reply

Keep deluding yourself.Your kind is famous for that like believing what you want or brainwashed to believe even if unverifiable

woman=1/2 man

virgins in heaven

heaven

god
ash
san diego, United States
Jun 21, 2007 12:00 AM
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If Pratibha Patil is a BJP stooge like Sushma Swaraj then all these criticism even from the great Shobhaa De who writes trash would not have taken place.
pear
mumbai, India
Jun 21, 2007 12:00 AM
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In my opinion, MMSingh should become the next president, by consensus. All non-congress, non-DMK, MPs in parliament should then join as a National Party for Sc/Tech Development of India [NPSTDI] and choose Kalam as its leader for becoming next prime minister. A scientist PM with an economist as advisory President, would launch the country on really rapid development with secularism reinterpreted as unification of all religions into spiritualism in the service of all mankind. Kalam, as President, has visited most states and told their legislatures their optimal development strategies. He would get a chance to implement those suggestions for national good.

Amartya Sen should be inducted as the next vice president, after Shekawat, to be of use to India asc advisor in development planning, with his expertise in integrated socio-economic dynamics. Country may have good relief, to progress effectively, free of the pulls and pushes of self-centred politicians and family-centered political dynasties.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jun 21, 2007 12:00 AM
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This whole things looks like a plot by Sonia to install that idiot Rahul as PM after the next elections in 2009 which will most likely produce another fractured verdict. She needs a plaint President to execute her agenda. Did anyone ever see something like this i.e the PM of this nation not having a role at all in naming the President? Where is our PM and what is he doing? Does it look anything like Sonia renunciating power? She decides everything and Congress implements it with our idiotic PM nowhere to be seen. In addition to that, he shamelessly says that Rahul is the future of this country. Does it mean, rahul is going to be our PM one way or other.

I feel that there is a chance of Sonia suspending the constitution and imposing a govt. with her son as it's head.
True Indian
,,, United States
Jun 21, 2007 12:00 AM
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Faruki says "Publicizing her being a Maharashtrian and a woman is the kind of talk that happens after each nomination, e.g. "He is a Tamil Muslim", or " He is a Malayali Dalit"."

Sorry, sir, I beg to disagree. The Congress Party DELIBERATELY insisted on her being a PATIL. Both Sharad Pawar and Balasaheb Thackerey were sold on that ...

The Congress has used the same tactics all along to divide poeple of India by evoking and stroking their indigenous ethnicity for political gains.
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Jun 21, 2007 12:00 AM
45
Vijay A.,

>> facade raised by the Congress Party and Sonia Gandhi about her being a woman and with a rather a poor appeal in bad taste to Maratha jingoism.

She was not Congress's first choice, or second choice or even the fourth choice, but emerged as a compromise candidate of the UPA and the Left.
Publicizing her being a Maharashtrian and a woman is the kind of talk that happens after each nomination, e.g. "He is a Tamil Muslim", or " He is a Malayali Dalit".
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jun 21, 2007 12:00 AM
44
Faruki

You seem to have got things upside down. In India, no one would have opposed the nomination of Pratibha Patil as President of India, had it not been due to the facade raised by the Congress Party and Sonia Gandhi about her being a woman and with a rather a poor appeal in bad taste to Maratha jingoism, by not calling her by her real maiden name.

Pratibha Patil-Shekhawat is a Congresswoman, has been and will remain so even when she becomes the President. Well there is nothing wrong with that but people of India would have felt much better with a non-political person as President. Surely, she is most likely to take a pro-Congress stance in case of a fractured parliament. I am sure the Congress could have come with a much better choice than the one they know would be their puppet.

Well, of course, opposition to her has political undertones becuase it is the office of the President that the Congress has so manifestly denigrated for its own political gains. Bills like Office of Profit and Reservation/Quota proposals rejected by President Kalam had the Congress Party, Sonia Gandhi and her henchmen like Arjun Singh looking for a back door.

There is little point in defending and justifying ill-concieved, divisive and anti-national policies of this govt just because in the name of "secularism" it dangles a carrot in front of religious minorities.
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Jun 20, 2007 12:00 AM
43
>> someone aptly described her nomination as a ‘monumental joke’ being played on the nation by Sonia Gandhi.

Since there is so much hue and cry about Pratibha Patil's qualifications, I have been looking for information that would support all this criticism heaped upon her. Shobhaa De's article in the Indian Express was sadly disappointing in this regard. She makes only very general personal attacks, and does not give any solid arguments about PP's weaknesses except to say that she was a "handmaiden" to the Gandhis. Being in the Gandhi camp is something that would probably apply to lots of present day Congress leaders. De questions PP's pro-women stance, but such a stance, while good in a symbolic sense, is not essential to her candidacy. De criticizes the wheeling and dealing involved in the process, but that is part of the democratic process. One can pontificate that the selection of the President should be above politics, but the process is essentally political, and hence likely to be shabby. Not only do we not have tall figures like Rajendra Prasad or Radhakrishnan, but we also do not have the kinds of guaranteed majority votes that the Congress once commanded.

So all that we know of PP is that she was a minister in the Maharashtra cabinet three times, headed the Maharashtra Congress, was Deputy Speaker of the Rajya Sabha and Governor of Rajasthan. She has made contributions to the cause of women and of education. She is now being criticized by Muslims for her remarks on purdah. She is right in urging the women to shed the veil and take their rightful place in society, but she need not have gone into the controversial area of the roots of the veil in Hindu women. Her having done so does not disqualify her from being a candidate for the Presidency.

It seems to me that the opposition to her is mostly "politics as usual", even if the opponents piously accuse the UPA-Left of being political!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jun 20, 2007 12:00 AM
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Ash/Tarun/Mall/Minu,

>> And what about your speculation that posters are using 3 different ids.

Ash, Tarun and Mall are not only three different ID's of the same loathsome Minu, but the three of them talk to each other, patting each other on the back. This is a trick to give the false impression that there are more people in this forum holding Minu's obnoxious and hateful views than there actually are.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jun 20, 2007 12:00 AM
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The old INC had already withered away shortly after 1947, and especially after Lal Bahadur Shastri, but some die hard loyal Congressmen remained. There were 3 serious contenders to Sonia's leadership of the Congress(Indira) Party after Rajiv Gandhi i.e. Rajesh Pilot, Jitendra Prasad and Madhav Rao Scindia who all died in mysterious circumstances and which cleared the way for Sonia. Unfortunately she is neither a leader nor a person with adequate intellect and ability for the position she occupies. She is where she is now because of our slavish and icon worshipping traditions and culture.

Unfortunately, India’s raison d’etat has become secondary to the ambitions of our politicians. Power corrupts even the ablest of national leaders. We gave Indira Gandhi the stature of the goddess Durga Bhawani after the Bangladesh war. Nehru’s charisma was so overwhelming in post-independence India that the office of the President of India became secondary to the Prime Minister. This is our Nehruvian legacy apart from other foreign policy blunders that left India no choice but to play the ball the way our “greatest neighbour” (accdg to our PM) across the Himalayas chooses to play.

The Congress party is clearly planning for some constitutional catastrophe after 2009 elections … when saddled by a tame President and weakened by a fractured parliament, India would have no choice but to beg the dynasty to rule for ever …
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Jun 20, 2007 12:00 AM
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Hopefully Kalam is considering to enter the fray. If Congress truly respects overwhelming public opinion then it should withdraw Pratibha Patil and support the imcomparable Kalam.
pear
mumbai, India
Jun 20, 2007 12:00 AM
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I haven't read much articles by Shobhaa De. Infact this is the first time I am reading her opinion and I have to say she is very clear and articulate on the Ms. Patil for President issue. She has totally exposed the Congress game of installing a pliant old lady and giving it a "women empowerment" color. That's right. Where was this old lady when so many women were totured for dowry and other things? Just because someone was born as a female doesn't mean she becomes qualified automatically to high office. If that is true, every woman in this nation is as qualified as Ms. Patil to become the President. So, why she?

If Sonia is a real tyagi, she should not only support President Kalam again but also renunciate her party Presidentship and give it to Ms. Patil. That will prove she is in fact a real tyagi and also she means it when she talks about women empowerment. Let Ms. Patil become the Congress President instead of India President.

Otherwise all these Congress chamchas should shutup and stop talking about women empowerment.

True Indian
,,, United States
Jun 20, 2007 12:00 AM
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But, what Shobhaa De has written in this instant makes a lot of common-sense ... well at least to me any way when she wrires:

"Where was she all these years? Has anyone heard a peep out of her during numerous debates dealing with atrocities against women? What has she done that is pro-women? Has she raised her voice even once? Not that I know of. So, can we please leave gender out of this, for it communicates the wrong message. Patil’s accident of birth as a female is being flaunted as a badge of honour. God help us. By that definition, any and every woman of India qualifies for the prestigious post.

Let’s be upfront about this. Pratibha Patil simply does not have what it takes to be the President of India. As for all that rubbish regarding her simplicity, spare me the baloney. As if a khadi sari is the ultimate or only description of simplicity! Khadi happens to be one of the most high maintenance fabrics in the country. Ladies who make khadi their big statement invest a lot of money in it. Sonia’s saris are homespun too. But are they cheap? Half the women in India wouldn’t be able to afford these designer khadi one-offs. So, let’s not delude ourselves. Forget about her lack of a Page 3 presence, that’s the least of her problems. Can she make it to Page 1, without most of her countrymen asking, “Who’s she?” It’s time we grew up and stopped playing immature games of tokenism, symbolism, etc.

The important thing is to rise above any and every kind of ism, from feminism to regionalism. Just because I am a woman and a Maharashtrian, should I support Pratibhatai? No way.

If Pratibha Patil does make it to Rashtrapati Bhavan, how will it benefit the women of India? Will it lead to fewer thrashings, beatings, torture, murders? Give me a break.

This 73-year-old lady deserves to spend her retirement years with more dignity than as a puppet of her long-term patrons. Zail Singh had his jhaddoo. What will Pratibhatai use? Her pallav?"

Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Jun 20, 2007 12:00 AM
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Whether we admit it or not a President is a figurehead a zoo piece. If he or she turns out to be an Abdul Kalam we are lucky. If he turns out to be Zail Singh we cant help it. Remember, Shobhaa De has written disparagingly about Narasimha Rao and his personal wardrobe. Shobhaa is a highly superficial woman who likes to bitch about others and who started a bitchy magazine like Stardust. We cannot take her seriously.
pear
mumbai, India
Jun 20, 2007 12:00 AM
36
Would Bala Saheb Thackerey, the Shiva Sena supremo, still support the lady if she had objected to Congress Party addressing her just a Patil only, not what she really is - a Patil-Shekhawat? Is not stroking the inter-regional jingoism again?

However, "someone aptly described her nomination as a ‘monumental joke’ being played on the nation by Sonia Gandhi" and "the real tragedy in this debacle is not Pratibha Patil per se — poor thing, she is once again playing a familiar role of handmaiden to the Gandhis. It is the abject denigration of the post itself. From the sublime to the ridiculous, to the downright shabby, the pathetic wheeling and dealing, horse trading and lobbying that have scarred this election, this is nothing short of an insult to the high office. Kahan Radhakrishnan aur kahan Pratibhatai!"

read Shobhaa De in


http://www.indianexpress.com/story/34025.html


Jai Maharashtra, Mr Thackerey and Sharad Pawar et al.
Vijay Agarwal
Northampton, United Kingdom
Jun 20, 2007 12:00 AM
35
NARAYAN,
That anticpatory bail quip was hilarious but subtle.It took me some time to get it.

Faruki is trying to anticipate it, lest he has to be embarassed later.Its called taking some wind out of the sail.Or lowering his own bar.
ash
san diego, United States
Jun 20, 2007 12:00 AM
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Narayan/Ganesan and Tarun

I was goING TO post the same point.We need to wait till Friday prayers to see if there is a muslim reaction to rushdie.Assumig media does not try to cover it up.Like they did violnce againt muhammed sketches recently at the same Guj univ.

That is when most of the riots and violence takes place.

I
ash
san diego, United States
Jun 20, 2007 12:00 AM
33
Some1>>> Let us wait and see. In such a large country, there is always the likelihood of a few hundred or even a few thousand hotheads who may want to make an ugly incident out of it.

First time in Blogging history - An Anticipatory bail. lol

Now itz official. IM's r gonna take to streets this Friday.
Narayan
Zurich, Switzerland
Jun 20, 2007 12:00 AM
32
Ganesan,

>> There are two explanations. One is that Indian muslims have moved past Rushdie and do not consider him worth a dime to waste their energies-which is a good thing. Or it might be the realisation that protests like the ones in the past do not bring out the same results it used to do. In either case, I am happy that Indian muslims have not resorted to their usual angry mode of taking to streets and attacking others and the seculars have also remained silent(so far!!). Better sense has prevailed. And thats a pleasant surprise.

I hope you are right. Let us wait and see. In such a large country, there is always the likelihood of a few hundred or even a few thousand hotheads who may want to make an ugly incident out of it.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jun 20, 2007 12:00 AM
31
BTW, what is the UPA govt reaction to the Knighthood of Rushdie? Surely, people who are worried about "solid" secular credentials must be deeply worried about the utter lack of sensitivity on the part of British. Only the Pakis so far have displayed any anger over the issue. Indian muslims and the seculars have largely remained silent-atleast from what I read in the news reports.

There are two explanations. One is that Indian muslims have moved past Rushdie and do not consider him worth a dime to waste their energies-which is a good thing. Or it might be the realisation that protests like the ones in the past do not bring out the same results it used to do. In either case, I am happy that Indian muslims have not resorted to their usual angry mode of taking to streets and attacking others and the seculars have also remained silent(so far!!). Better sense has prevailed. And thats a pleasant surprise.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Jun 20, 2007 12:00 AM
30
Some maulanas from the Muslim board has termed Prathiba's comment "anti-muslim". So atleast from the secular standpoint, the once "solid" secular credential became liquid and has now become gas. I think this is the last we will see Prathiba speaking in public before the elections. The lady appears to be a grandma to Rahul Gandhi. The more she opens her mouth, the more she embarrasses her supporters.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Jun 20, 2007 12:00 AM
29
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> we note that muslims are quite firm
in their behaviour with their women.

I never see this bigot write a word about dowry deaths!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jun 19, 2007 12:00 AM
28
Tarun/Ash/Minu,

>> Who taught Purdha in Arabia?

The question was how and when did the practice start with Hindu women.

>> If Purdah were prevailing during Mayuryan period, why would there be so many references to Buddhist lady monks.

If veiling existed among Hindu women, it does not mean that all Hindu women were veiled, or that it exiisted in all castes or all regions of India.

>> How many Sati took place in India from antiquity till Muslim Invasion? Hardly 3 or 4.

With a statement like that, what credibility do you expect to have?

>> never in long Indian history, women were attacked as group, abducted, raped, haremized as seen during barbaric Islamic attack on India.

A gross exaggeration.

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jun 19, 2007 12:00 AM
27
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> Mian Faruki is right. Its silly to blame muslims for ALL the ills of
India.

Can you read? Those were Irfan Habib's words.

>> The thing to note is that both communities want to brag about their own past, and denigrate the others. A silly passtime.

I agree with you.


Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jun 19, 2007 12:00 AM
26
The Third Front has neatly turned the table on both the heavyweights, whatever be the outcome. Firstly, Mrs.Pratibha Patil was the last desperate choice of the Congress-led alliance and all this talk about the gender liberalism is empty talk and her image, which is really good, takes a beating given her being a Sonia loyalist, whom Sonia did not consider in the first place. Stalwarts like Pranab Mukerjee, Sushil K Shinde, Sivraj Patil were lifted up only to dropped like Humpty Dumpty. And the perennial candidate, Karan Singh, deserving as he is, dropped himself down. NDA's candidate, Shekavatji is in the right place at the right time and as Harish Khare put it in the Hindu is, is a good choice and he had, in a most dignified way, shown his willingness to step down in favour of Dr. APJ abdul Kalam, who would have been elected unanimously, if the Indian populace constituted the votebank. He did slip up in the Bihar letter and by not resigning on the infamous Office of Profit issue in its second round. That does not belittle his stature, all things considered.

If there be the NDA turnaround on his candidacy and there is a conscience vote, he will win hands down and the third Front will glow vicariously for being smart, thanks to Selvi Jayalalalithaa. In that case, that will be her best service to the nation.
Soundararajan
S. Soundararajan
Portsmouth, United Kingdom
Jun 19, 2007 12:00 AM
25
"Historian Irfan Habib, noting that instances of seclusion of women in India went back to Mauryan times, said: "It is silly to talk of the Mughal invasion being the reason for the seclusion of women and introduction of the veil.

"The seclusion of women was seen even in Mauryan times. It is, in fact, mentioned in Kautilya’s Arthashastra. To say it was because of the Mughals is like saying that they brought sati to India, which is absolutely untrue. From someone who is hoping to be President of India, she should have been more careful. After all, she is an educated woman."


http://203.197.197.71/p...on-veil-historians.aspx


Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jun 19, 2007 12:00 AM
24
Bisht//Pratibha in Hindi means Calibre.

After reading this I am convinced that Bisht is stupid if not a loyal congress pimp.

Judge a book by its cover.A rose by its name,despite shakepeare.

Dont we have cowards named Vijay and does it only take someone to name their children Pratibha,to
guarantee talent?Are all prateebha's talented?
Can they not be far more loyal than they are talented?

No wonder Bisht ignored the most important loyalty criteria that the Gandhi darbar is known for 40 yrs.And he uses a name to make his argument.Maybe he is being paid,or is himself a loyal congressi, to write such crap.Not many can be so ignorant or stupid.
ash
san diego, United States
Jun 19, 2007 12:00 AM
23
sRInivas and bISHT,

Sriniva,thanks for sparing me the task.Just my thoughts,I agree.Bisht despite his education, is missing the critical and foremost loyalty criteria used by Sonia to help her with her famous "we have 272" line in 2009,when numbers could be crucial.

Neutrality is the most important criteria especially given the way Congress has abused the pliant governors in the past.This woman crap is an afterthought and a smokescreen.

Either Bisht is plain stupid,because even an average person like me and many,can see this.

Or he is a congress pimp like Vinod Mehta.

I challenge Bisht to rebut .


Read your post!The fact that she is the tallest one in a bunch of midgets doesn't say much about her. The fact that Family Loyalty was a prime reason why she was chosen the candidate makes a sad story. I always wondered would any other person have been able to walk the lawns of Rasthrapathi Bhawan with Bill G and hold his own? The press have suddenly started touting her as a champion of "Women Empowerment". If she were that great why hasn't 70% of India never heard about her?

The plain fact is we want an incompetent yes man or woman and this lady fits the bill. Why can't we have a non-political person as president? Why should we tolerate some one who owes her position to a family to be the commander-in-chief of the Indian Armed Forces? And any notion that she will be the panacea for all ills plaguing the Indian Woman is quite childish. At most she can help Congress get rid of a few hostile state governments and may be allow Madam to come to power without raising the citizenship issue.

She is like a doormat once in there Sonia will be all over her.
SRINIVAS

ash
san diego, United States
Jun 19, 2007 12:00 AM
22
Apparently the purdah comment has left the seculars supporting Prathiba running for cover. Or in the words of Outlook, if the returning of the religious freedom bill proved her solid secular credentials, then the purdah comment has turned the solid into semi-solid or possibly a liquid credential. I hope the lady speaks out more often. She appears interestingly naive.

BTW, if the mughal dynasty is responsible for Purdah in India, what about the purdah system in Arabia? Who is responsible for that? The Gupta dynasty?
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Jun 18, 2007 12:00 AM
21
>> "Third Front backs Kalam."

Seems it is a Mulayam vs Mayawati contest all over again!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jun 18, 2007 12:00 AM
20
Bisht,

I am quoting you now

"We may have had charlatans as MPs and gangsters as Ministers but there is one elected office in our country which is extremely sacrosanct- the office of the President of the republic of India. It may be a decorative position mostly but the top position none- the- less. It can’t go a man whose political posturing, though declared apolitical, can even give a hint of generating any controversy which may divide the opinions across the nation. The contenders for this position are not the ones who feel that they should run for it. On the contrary, these are men whom people think have the potential and the grace to run for it."

You think PP is apolitical? Do you think people even know her to gauge her potential?

I rest my case!
Srinivas
Lucknow, iNDIA
Jun 18, 2007 12:00 AM
19
SUDHIR KUMAR BISHT,

Read your post!The fact that she is the tallest one in a bunch of midgets doesn't say much about her. The fact that Family Loyalty was a prime reason why she was chosen the candidate makes a sad story. I always wondered would any other person have been able to walk the lawns of Rasthrapathi Bhawan with Bill G and hold his own? The press have suddenly started touting her as a champion of "Women Empowerment". If she were that great why hasn't 70% of India never heard about her?

The plain fact is we want an incompetent yes man or woman and this lady fits the bill. Why can't we have a non-political person as president? Why should we tolerate some one who owes her position to a family to be the commander-in-chief of the Indian Armed Forces? And any notion that she will be the panacea for all ills plaguing the Indian Woman is quite childish. At most she can help Congress get rid of a few hostile state governments and may be allow Madam to come to power without raising the citizenship issue.

She is like a doormat once in there Sonia will be all over her.
Srinivas
Lucknow, iNDIA
Jun 18, 2007 12:00 AM
18
I just wish Dr. Kalam agrees to contest. At the end of the day the popular opinion wants a second term for the incumbent and I am sure in a contest irrespective of numbers that UPA holds Dr. Kalam will triumph. Thanks to the Third Front for doing two favours

1. Respecting the popular opinion
2. Calling PP a "Joke on the Country"

BJP and Vice President should be commended for offering to withdraw in favour of Dr. Kalam if he decides to contest.

Well, that will be one thing that will be unpalatable to the Foreigner. I am sure she is finding place to hide thinking where this stupid move of Pratibha Patil will lead!

Great Job Third Front!!!
Srinivas
Lucknow, iNDIA
Jun 18, 2007 12:00 AM
17
Pratibha in Hindi means Calibre and I find no reason NOT to back the candidature of one who has shown shone more brightly than the likes of Shivraj Patil or Pranab Mukherjee.
To read full article read

http://sudhirbisht.rediffiland.com
Sudhir Kumar Bisht
Delhi, India
Jun 18, 2007 12:00 AM
16
Smitha sounds almost giddy with joy at the thought of having Ms Patil reside in Rasina Hill.

One wonders why though.

The way I see it, now alongwith a rubber stamp PM we will also have a rubber stamp President.

And Smitha calling the nomination a "masterstroke" was really something.
Pray why is this a "masterstroke"
Is it because after trying to nominate one family loyalist after another Congress aka SG finally nominates a candidate whose only noticeable achievement has been that she has stood with the family through thick and thin i.e she is a hardcore family loyalist?
Or is it because by cynically promoting a family loyalist as a female candidate, SG and gang finally managed to silence the empty vessels make more noise leftists into acquiescence?


Navdeep Hans
Delhi, India
Jun 18, 2007 12:00 AM
15
In Addition to the PMO & 19 Safadarjung Road, Rashtrapathi Bhavan comes under the control of a foreigner in 10 Janpath.
Congis have scored a double point by teaching Kalam what's politics is all about and also promoting another Sonia devotee as their rubberstamp holding the rubberstamp of the President.
OL wud've given Communal colors for sure if BJP were in power deciding not to continue with Kalam.
Narayan
Zurich, Switzerland
Jun 18, 2007 12:00 AM
14
she is quiet feminist and yes Geroge buhs is quite islamist..

Ludicrous this word quiet along wiht any adjective u can stick to any person.. well it's quiet so onus is not on you to prove it.. everyone is happy..

she is rubber-stamp of Fakhrudeen Ali ahmad class who sined emergency declration wby indira gandhi without thinking twice
Rahul
Delhi, India
Jun 18, 2007 12:00 AM
13
"By the way what were the sentiments expressed by sonIa at RK?"

The usual secular stuff. What Ramakrishna and Vivekananda preached were secularism, that they have been hijacked by the hate mongers in the country and the need to take them back and so on. She had no idea what Vivekananda really stood for. I just recalled the speech because the article mentioned returning the "freedom of religion Bill" as a solid secular credential. Since Madame praised Vivekananda, I was just curious about her view on his secular credentials given what he had said about conversions.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Jun 17, 2007 12:00 AM
12
Prathiba is clean, non-corrupt and decent, and a lady. What more do we need?
There's only one bit of advice I would like to give Madam Prathiba, and that is to stop covering her head. It has a distinctively regressive feel about it.
G.Natrajan
Hyderabad, India
Jun 17, 2007 12:00 AM
11
The fact that she was no where in the consideration short list for the probables is an indicator that she is there more by default than by merit.If this can be deemed as 'springing a surprise' by UPA it's just a putting a gloss on a TINA(courtesy left+mayavati) decision.Gender affirmation is only face saving justification of a default decision.
arun
mumbai, India
Jun 17, 2007 12:00 AM
10
OL writes//Sonia had faced no opposition then in pushing her candidate, Manmohan Singh, for PM. Dazzled by her sacrifice, they had all accepted her choice. This time, that halo stands dimmed by a string of electoral defeats-- an indication of the troubles that lie ahead.


The dazzling "sacrifice" happened only after Kalam raised some legal qs about national origin.

The same Kalam that the sacrificial saint firmly rejected for a second term.
ash
san diego, United States
Jun 17, 2007 12:00 AM
9
Ganesan great post.By the way what were the sentiments expressed by sonIa at RK?

Stephens college has decided to harvest more souls,and has turned the conversion logic on its head by recognizing dalit christians.

I though the logic for conversions was to escape the caste divisions of Hinduism.
ash
san diego, United States
Jun 17, 2007 12:00 AM
8
The very heading of the article nails the lie about Outlook being objective and fair. Our Lady? How did a candidate of the Congress and Left become "OUR" to Outlook-unless Outlook sees itself in the same camp as Congress and the Left? What difference is left between say People's Democracy and Outlook?

There is only one. People's Democracy is officially the mouthpiece of CPM where as Outlook is unofficially the mouthpiece of Congress. The "OUR" in the title gives the game away. Its better Outlook becomes officially a congress magazine.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Jun 17, 2007 12:00 AM
7
"and with solid secular credentials: in Rajasthan, she returned the BJP's controversial Freedom of Religion Bill in May 2006."

If this is the test for "solid" secular credential, then there are a few people and institutions who will fail the test. MK Gandhi for one-who said if he had the power, he would ban all religious conversions. Supreme court for one-which said the anti conversion law passed by Orissa govt was perfectly legal and has repeatedly held that such a law is legal in later judgements. Vivekananda for one-yes the same Vivekananda who was touted by Sonia Gandhi a few years back as a model of secularism-opposed conversions and went to the extent of saying that a hindu becoming a muslim or a christian is not only a number less on our side but a number more on the enemy side.

Now we know that people like Gandhi had only "liquid" secular credentials. BTW, I would like Madame Sonia to go back and read the speech she gave to RK mission a few years ago and see whether she still stands by the sentiments expressed therein.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Jun 17, 2007 12:00 AM
6
" It is crucial to have a trusted loyalist in Rashtrapati Bhavan for the next election"

Ah!! Finally the truth comes out in the last para of the article after all the hosannas sung earlier. The real reason the lady made the cut is because THE LADY wanted a lackey as President and Kalam did not fit the bill. Shivraj Patil did not meet the litmus test of Left and Pawar. So the lady finally became a "consensus" candidate.

Outlook inadvertantly let the truth out regarding the true nature in selecting MrsPatil. It deserves some advertant kudos.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Jun 17, 2007 12:00 AM
5
Only Outlook can give a positive spin to a totally absurd story. The fact remains that Congress wants a pliant President as opposed to a competent one. It sickens me no end that Caste is the deciding factor even for the post of President of India. That Congress could not find anybody acceptable despite tossing 4 names up suggests so much about the party and UPA coalition. And when they find one lady who is not known to many outside Maharashtra and Rajasthan you talk as if Congress digged out a Kohinoor diamond. Please stop this servility! It will do you a world of good.
Srinivas
Lucknow, iNDIA
Jun 17, 2007 12:00 AM
4
I think the nessage has hit Pratibha starkly that it is more or less confirmed in the Indian Junta that she will be no more than a rubber stamp of Sonia. Why else should she react at all if she had any maturity and stature ? She knows that in Rajasthan she returned the bill on anti-conversion because of pressure from Christian Sonia and not because she wanted to showoff as a neutral Governor [finding one congress governor who has not misused his position is like finding life on Pluto]. Sonia wants to be PM and Kalam had checkmated that effort. No intellectual and a person who has been involved in a nation building activity will accept the pulls and pressures of a power mongering and anti-national parties like the Congress and the Left.
Chandra
Hyderabad, India
Jun 17, 2007 12:00 AM
3
THIS IS A RECENT BLOG I HAVE READ IN NDTV BLOGS BY ONE VIVEK AAHUJA.
Pratibha Patil's nomination is a master stroke by master minds.
Journalists may crib that she is not the first choice.
But the way her name was announced it took everybody by surprise and shock.
First of all many dont have an idea who Pratibha Patil is.
BJP tried to score over Congress by cosying upto Shekhawat.
Congress turned the tables against BJP by nominating a traditional looking Hindu, a Maharashtrian, a woman, a clean person who is even confusing the Shivseana leaving a bitter taste in the mouths of Bhaironsingh Shekhawat's supporters.
Pratibha Patil is a mellowed version of Tulsi Virani, the darling of the Indian women soap addicts.
CPM is compelled to give up Pranab and Arjunsingh.
It is a proxy war or a puppet show whose strings are pulled by the real players.
pear
mumbai, India
Jun 16, 2007 12:00 AM
2
from when did congress started representing maharashtrian chauvinism? Thanks to regional feeling, bashing her will be made out as bashing Maharashtra.
chaitanya
chennai, India
Jun 16, 2007 12:00 AM
1
to elect a president whoz only criteria is tht she is of no opposition......read no use.......nd whose name no one knows is a shame for a country like india..........and a shame for all womenhood.............she was chosen whn the worse of the worst men failed to gain tht position................
surely there r women in india who cud make it to the post with their own ability..........not because no man (soniya loyalist) was acceptble for the post

a country like india desrves better president..........who is well known to countrymen........is independant.........and in whom the people of country have confidence...........
by choosing her..........sonia gandhi has again insulted india..............first by electin a non entity ...spineles......powerless.......prime minister........nd now again ridiculin the post of president..............

it is the first time in india history that both prime minister and president are people who are on their posts not because of their own ability or power ..........but as spineless stooges.......of a foreigner..................

manmohan cant win a municipal election on his own........pratibha patil wudnt figure in the list of first 100 people desrving to be president on ability and popularity.......

they dont draw their power from the people of india............but from sonia gandhi.........

A BLACK DAY FOR INDIA AND ITZ DEMOCRACY.......
parag
bombay, india
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