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Blast In Hyderabad
Targeted attack on Muslim civilians outside J&K in other parts of India have been a more recent phenomenon during the last one year -- this is the fourth such since Delhi (April 2006), Malegaon (September 2006), and the blasts in Samjhauta Express train to Pakistan near Delhi in February 2007
Hyderabad
A bomb blast at the Mecca Masjid in Hyderabad leaves 12 dead and 35 (including three children) injured, causing violence in the communally violent city, leaving the state on high alert. Updates
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Five innocent civilians are reported to have been killed and many others injured in an explosion in the historic Mecca Mosque of Hyderabad in Andhra Pradesh at the time of the Friday prayers on May 18,2007. Two other explosive devices are reported to have been neutralised by the police after the incident before they could explode. One has to await the result of the forensic tests, which will determine the nature of the explosive material, detonator and timer or remote-control used. The recovered explosive devices should facilitate the forensic examination. The preliminary indications from the description of the explosions are that the devices were probably not of a sophisticated nature.

It would be premature to say anything definitively regarding the likely identity of the perpetrators, their organisational affiliation, if any, and their motive. While there have been many terrorist strikes against innocent Muslim civilians and Muslim political leaders in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) since jihadi terrorism broke out in the state in 1989, targeted attacks on Muslim civilians outside J&K in other parts of India have been a more recent phenomenon during the last one year. There have been at least four such strikes -- in the principal mosque of Delhi in April 2006; in Malegaon in Maharashtra in September 2006; in the Samjhauta Express train to Pakistan near Delhi in February 2007 and in Hyderabad now.

There were grounds for suspicion that the blast in the Delhi mosque was probably due to an internal rivalry among some office-bearers of the mosque. As such, it was not considered an act of terrorism. The explosions in Malegaon and in the Samjhauta Express were of a terrorist nature. The involvement of elements from the Students' Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) was suspected in the Malegaon blasts. The Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET) was the principal suspect in respect of the blasts in the Samjhauta Express. The investigation into it has not made satisfactory progress due to non-co-operation from Pakistan.

Targeted killing of Muslims by jihadi terrorist organisations of pan-Islamic and Wahabi orientation is not a new phenomenon. One has seen many instances of such killings in Pakistan itself, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Somalia, Algeria, J&K in India, Bangladesh, and in southern Thailand. In the past, such attacks were directed at Muslims belonging to different sects (Shias vs Sunnis as in Pakistan and Iraq), Muslims, who were perceived as apostate because of their co-operation with the US and with pro-US Islamic regimes, Muslims who were suspected to be spies of the intelligence agencies and moderate Muslim political leaders, who opposed the ideology of the jihadi terrorists.

In the last one year, one has been seeing a new trend in the countries affected by jihadi terrorism. Jihadi terrorist organisations have been targeting Muslims, who are not prepared to accept Wahabism and the pan-Islamic objective of an Islamic Caliphate. Of all the countries in Asia having a large Muslim population, the maximum resistance to Wahabism and the pan-Islamic objectives has been from the Muslim community in India, which is the second largest in the world after Indonesia. While small numbers of Indian Muslims in India as well as in the Gulf have been supporting the SIMI and organisations such as the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET) and the Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami (HUJI) and propagating their ideology, the preponderant majority of the Indian Muslims has thus far kept away from Wahabism and the pan-Islamic objectives. There seems to be a concerted attempt to intimidate them into supporting these pernicious ideologies. The Indian Muslims should refuse to be intimidated by such elements and the Government should give them all the protection they need to enable them to resist these jihadi elements.


B. Raman is Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Govt. of India, New Delhi, and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical Studies, Chennai. E-mail:itschen36@gmail.com)

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A bomb blast at the Mecca Masjid in Hyderabad leaves 12 dead and 35 (including three children) injured, causing violence in the communally violent city, leaving the state on high alert. Updates
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arun
newdelhi, India
Aug 03, 2007 12:00 AM
182
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> We can keep on debateing with sleasy sam(gf).

You have not been debating anyone, because you are just not capable of doing so. Like the traditional village idiot, you are good for a few moments of amusement, but then you become a drag.

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Aug 03, 2007 12:00 AM
181
"'Baba ji

Not till UPA is kicked out and BJP moves in .""

Before that BJP HAS TO OVERHAUL ITSELF FIRST !
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Aug 03, 2007 12:00 AM
180
""Its time Indians
took necessary action to protect their interests.""

Baba ji

Not till UPA is kicked out and BJP moves in .
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Aug 03, 2007 12:00 AM
179
Iqrar sahib

Now please have a look on this news item:

"Three terror modules operate in Karnataka: Police

Vicky Nanjappa in Bangalore : Vicky Nanjappa

Karnataka police investigations have revealed that three terror modules presently operate in the state.

The Lashkar-e-Tayiba, they say, operates terror modules in Karnataka. Its modules in India have been divided into the Western and Southern Corridor and Eastern and Northern Corridor.

The first terror module was set up in Karnataka way back in 2001 by the Deendar Anjuman sect.

This sect masterminded a series of blasts in the state the same year.

After the December 2005 attack on the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore, in which a scientist was killed, police investigations revealed that a sleeper cell was operating in Kolar, which is around 70 km from Bangalore.

Karnataka police officers feel the formation of an Anti-Terrorist Squad will tackle terrorism to a large extent.

The police are demanding more powers for personnel handling terrorism and add that if the desired team is granted, then the growing menace of terrorism in Karnataka could be checked.

Meanwhile, an independent investigation conducted by the Karnataka police on the now deceased Kafeel Ahmed and his brother Sabeel Ahmed's involvement in the failed UK terror plot has revealed that the duo may have been trained by Iraqi militia to carry out the terror attacks.

The police suspect the brothers, along with the Britain-born, Iraq-raised Bilal Abdulla -- who was arrested along with Kafeel after the abortive attack on the Glasgow airport terminal building on June 30 -- could have been in touch with the Iraqi militia.

"The concept of universal brotherhood is driven into the minds of these boys that they are ready to carry out an attack anywhere in the world where they feel their community members are being harassed," a Karnataka police officer observed."'

Now Iqrar sahib the Karnatka CM ha sgiven job to Haneef so what is the problem now for all these DEENDARwalas.Are they not Indians ??

SEE THE COMMENT OF A READER ON THIS ARTICLE :

"Police asking for more powers to act
by Surendra Jamuar

Congress and allies will pass legislation that befor taking anti-terrorist action they will have to ensure that the offender is not a muslim.There should be quota system in arresting as per population that is for evey one muslim arested there should be four non muslims arrested and hanging is only for non muslims.How you like it UPA "'

See the comments and can you blame these posters under the prevailing circumstances ??

I always avoid such pointed questions but since you asked my views on Rape etc I had to show the complete picture. I will bring more to your knowledge if you agree ?
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Aug 03, 2007 12:00 AM
178
"'None of this surprisingly qualifies as terrorism.

Or terror. I’m terrified.""

IQRAR

First of all this act was done on behest of a Minister of Mayawati.MUSLIM DID and will VOTE ENBLOCK FOR MAYAWATI.So the question should in all Political correctness be taken to Mayawati .

2 Now from social angle : Be honest Iqrar what happens when a Hindu boy runs away with a Muslim girl and both marry as adults ??

3 Iqrar sahib do you remember there was one film a few years back in which a Muslim girl marries an Hindu Boy -I saw lot of protests by muslims all over India specially in Mumbai ?? Freind a film and Muslims are on road ??

I DON'T POST THE ABOVE LINES TO INSULT ANY BODY WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS :

WE SHOULD BE MORALLY CORRECT AND HONEST ABSOLUTELY IN CONDMNING ANY CRIME OR RAPE.

2 I suggest you that if a few more Muslims like Azeem Taqi com e forwad things will be much happier.If all Muslims stand up and fight Jehad lot of problems will be solved .

JEHADIES CRIMES ARE FAR MORE SERIOUS AND DANGEROUS AND NEED MORE ATTENTION .WE HAVE TO LIQUIDATE SLEEPER CELLS JOINTLY AS WAS DONE IN PANJAB.

IQRAR SAHIB LET US LOOK INTO THIS
DIRECTION AS IT IS NOW QUESTION OF YOUR AND MINE SURVIVAL !

WE HAVE TO FIGHT THESE JEHADIES .
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 29, 2007 12:00 AM
177
Rajeev, don't think something is better than nothing...those democratically elected ladies screwed bangla for a long time...if this guy is sincere, this will be a change for the people...wish our army also implements the same type of strategy in india...I wanna see our politicians n their families go through the same type of ordeal...they enjoyed luxuries for a long period and it is the pay back time
Ravi
Chicago, United States
May 27, 2007 12:00 AM
176
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> Saudis did not contribute anything to WTC.
A Saudi prince made a 10millionUSD contribution
It was returned. I dont know about Katrina.

"Saudi Arabia quietly donated over $100 million to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The supplies are bought in the US and distributed directly to those who need them. In some cases, this aid arrived before Federal or State aid arrived." (US Senate Judiciary Committee hearings, November 8, 2005)

" A three member expert team of Saudi Development Fund arrived Trincomalee Wednesday accompanied by Minister and the leader of the Sri Lanka Muslim Congress Mr.Rauff Hakim and conducted a feasibility study for the proposed construction of a four hundred meter long bridge over the Trincomalee-Kinniya lagoon at a cost of around five hundred million rupees, Port ministry sources said." (TamilNet).

Saudi donations to 9/11 came up during the hearings of the Baker/Hamilton 9/11 Commission. As I remember it, it was about 120 million.

You can now go back to your anti-Muslim hate propaganda.








Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 26, 2007 12:00 AM
175
""or the 1857 revolt where we bore the brunt of reprisals after baniyas like you betrayed their own country ""

Mr.Jogejai

Correct fcts are that 64 % Sepoys were Hindus.it was the Hindu Sepoys who statred The Revolt in Meerut when a Muslim Havaldar SPECIALLY sent from Delhi by bTRITSHERS tried to impelement the various prison terms given to Hindu Sepoys AND ARREST THEM.

It was Muslim Prime Minister of Zafar who betrayed Zafar.That gentleman went to the extent of betraying Princes and arranged their surrender and they were shot at Khooni Darwaza by Hudson.One of the Prince was his own daufgther's son i.e real Grand Son .

Hudson arrested Princes with 200 persons whereas 5000 Wahabies cum Zehadies were protecting the Princes.

Wahabies wanted to kill cows and Hindus .But they realised that majority of the sepoy's were Hindus and abondened gory schemes.True Banias went to British but only when they were compeletely reuined and their business was totally looted by Sepoys.

Don't Communalise 1857 as Us and YOU .

True after 1857 Muslim village after village were destroyed.but Hindus too from same villages were not spared.

But did not Muslims patched up with Goras after Jinnah asked of Division of Country on Basis of Hindus and Muslims ???

Check how many Muslims were with Maulana Azad anti Partition and how many were with Jinnah wante dto Partion his OWN COUNTRY during FREEDOM STRUGGLE ???

PLEASE DON'T COMMUNALISE CERTAIN ISSUES AS US AND THEY !!

Tipu I am leaving for time being.

a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 26, 2007 12:00 AM
174
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> What exactly have you achieved with your foul abuse.

What you would not be able to understand is that your hate messages and attempts to besmear a religion and a community are far worse than any abuse that I can hurl. You have absolutely no insight into the fact that what you have been doing is systematic and sustained propaganda to make Muslims object of either ridicule or hatred. Every tidbit of news or information that you bring up, every "innocent" question you ask about Islam, every snide comments you address to posters other than myself, are all designed for only one venomous purpose, to belittle Muslims. It is as if you are saying, "We have solved all the problems of Hinduism. We are now perfect. We now have the right to constantly keep "them" on the defensive, make fun of them and show them to be full of faults". Such arrogance anf self-righteousness are far worse than any abuse that I can heap on you.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 26, 2007 12:00 AM
173
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> Does the Koran say that muslims should live in muslim countries Darul Islam.

Darul Islam is anywhere where Muslims can practise their religion freely. As such India, Europe and North America are all Darul Salaam.

Your other questions can only be understood in context. You should ask those with expertise on the matter.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 26, 2007 12:00 AM
172
Ganpat/bagai,

>> You expect that we, who are imbued with western democracy should tolerate your abuse.

If you go back and look at my quote, I said that if you are imbued with western democracy and liberalism, as you claim to be, you would not ask someone who disagrees with you to go to another website or to an Islamic blog, as you were doing.

>> labelling all oppositions as evil, retarded etc.

Several other posters e.g. Ganesan and Bundy and I have had huge disagreements, but I have never used any rude words with them. I find you, Sariputra/Bodepudi and Mall/Minu to be very offensive because of a persistent vicious agenda of systematically defaming and maligning a whole community with highly selective and unbalanced material, lying, and persisting with the lie even after you have been corrected. Also my "abusive" language is more than matched by the three of you.

>> Darfur. you consider my mentioning this as a
provacation, not just a geniune concern for poor helpless people. ..

You have definitely used Darfur as a weapon in your anti-Muslim crusade, and made explicit taunts to me on the subject. You should be ashamed of such uncouth behavior.

>> Dont you think this is an awful thing (Gujarat) to keep on reminding us 5 years after the event.

Gujarat Muslims and Kashmir Pandits are live subjects not just for me, but for journalists and writers all over the country. And Gujarat is definitely more alive for me than Darfur.

>> lack of due process for Sohrabbudin. Pages and pages again, to accuse Modi primarly.

Absence of due process endangers all of us. I have made very little mention of Modi in this discussion.

>> muslims on both sides of the Pakistan Indian border should based on commonsense be pretty similar.And this makes one sceptical about muslims in India.

This is the kind of half baked thinking that infuriates me. It is wrong to blame the common people of either India or Pakistan for the evil deeds of ISI, or Musharraf, or L-e-T, or SIMI, or Modi or Vanzara. You want to treat the whole Indian Muslim community as being treacherous, and then you are surprised that I call you retarded or evil!

>> As Albert Einstein once said if you are unable to get things right after a few attempts, it is idiotic to expect good results thereafter.

What he said was, "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different
results."









BR>


Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 25, 2007 12:00 AM
171
""Whats your opinion. Is Islam ready for change."""

I will first concentrate to change Muslims and Hindus too if necessary. Islam and Sikhism are going strictly as per Their Books. Problem is who is interpreting Books ??

Sub-continent has gone beyond debate s of Finer points of Life and Religeon. Today it is not Islam which matters it is Jehaad which matters.

Thanks to Pakistan who opened the Flood Gates of Terrorism in name of Religeon to capture Kashmir,Break India and Gain Strategic Depth in Afganistan .PAK HAS LOST EVERY THING even ITS NATION- HOOD IS IN DANGER !

We have to take care of India and Indians at present !
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 25, 2007 12:00 AM
170
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> "One of the things I notice in debates is that people resort to disinformation, lies , denials to protect their views."

You more than anyone else!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 25, 2007 12:00 AM
169
We muslims have shed blood for hundreds of years
for India.
Can you explain how this was done.......

delve into history and find out what stopped the maraudings of invaders and securing indias borders,ever heard of sher shah and the lodhis,or hafiz rahmat khan who put at least a resistance to what they considered invasions or the slave dynasts who secured india against mongol invasions,go look at tipu sultan and his army or the 1857 revolt where we bore the brunt of reprisals after baniyas like you betrayed their own country,your sense of history is warped and limited to reading the bengali babus ananda math,who can help u,as for culture or history ever know what urdu is, well its a language with origin in india and rich than any language which you people are trying hard to destroy in favor of a drab colorless language.that makes you blind and uncouth.you have to know a language bfr u read its poetry or prose,poor you,
as for dignity and respect you got to earn it,but since youre a gora sahebs bitch,you can use profanities its a putain trademark.
asadyar khan jogezai
boston, United States
May 25, 2007 12:00 AM
168
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> All aid by Saudis to which ever country goes only to muslims.

Not true. Most of it goes to government projects. And what about Saudi aid to Katrina and to WTC? Several of my Muslim relatives and friends and I donate to the American Red Cross, not the Red Crescent. This petty line of dialogue does not do you any honors.

>> It does not matter what the other scriptures say. You are responsible for abideing by your own scriptires and we others with ours.

It not only matters what the other scriptures say, it also matters how one quotes scriptures to get a meaning which is out of context. I am not going to teach a dolt like you any scriptures here. If you are interested, go to a religious site.

>> Today the Pakistani ambassador to USA praised India on some accounts.

Why are you telling me this?

>> And how can you claim that muslims on two sides of a common border are so different. Oneside fanatical, the other side liberals.

When did I ever say anything that stupid? When are you going to stop lying?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 25, 2007 12:00 AM
167
Ganpat/bagai,

>> No one wants your comments. Shift to a Islamic blog.

And you claim to be imbued with Western traditions of democracy and liberalism!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 25, 2007 12:00 AM
166
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> carefully crafted letters are dismissed by
Faruki just by a single line. You are a bigot. You are retarded.

That is one line more than retarded bigots deserve. I am polite with all the other posters.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
165
Ganpat/bagai,

>> Muslims do not help the Red Cross.They support the Red Crescent which is used to aid muslims in distress.

Muslims in the West donate to the Red Cross in the countries they live in.

>> Give me an example of Saudi Arabia, Turkey or Pakistan helping a nonmuslim country.

Saudi aid has gone to Gambia, ethiopia, Ivory Coast, togo, Sengal, Phillipines and several other countries in Africa and Asia. Only a provocateur like you would make me say things in favor of the Saudis, who I do not much care for.

>> My participation in this forum has taught me this.


It is unfortunate that it has not taught you anything to broaden your mind. Probably because it is closed.

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
164
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> few in the Hindu community trust muslims.

The feeling may be mutual.

>> No one in Britain, France trusts muslims. They are never given trusted assignment.

Another Bagai lie. The head of the US delegation to the UN is a Muslim. Muslims occupy positions at all levels in the police forces of New York and London. The head of the UN nuclear disarmament commission is a Muslim.

>> what crap is this about shedding blood for your country.

Indian Muslim soldiers have died in all Indo-Pak wars, and are still dying in the Kashmir insurgency, but an ignoramus like you would not know that.

>> If anything we Indians owe a lot to British rule.

One would expect you to kiss white ass.

>> The muslims were not so much involved in the fight for independence.

Ever heard of Abul Kalam azad, Kidwai, the Badshahkhan brothers. Also read the following :


http://www.khabrein.inf...k=view&id=647&Itemid=58


Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
163
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> Now I will give a list of Indians who have made large contributions to India.

My list was longer than your list, but I shall leave you and your miserable self to your silly middle-school level ("my Dad can lick your Dad") arguments.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
162
Ganpat Baba:

You will soon have to leave the Haridwar Ashram and move to another ashram.

You started out in Kalundborg, Denmark, in the incarnation of Lalit Bagai.

Then Ghulam Saheb complained about your tendency to use harsh language against Muslims and you had to flee to Deraa Ismail Khan, a more tolerant place than Denmark, and assume the name of Jessa Lota.

But still you made the same mistake, abused a bit too freely, and Ghulam Sahemb forced you to move to the Haridwar Ashram, changing your name also to Ganpat Ram.

Now you will soon be on the road again. Ghulam Saheb is preparing your tickets.

I have often asked you to moderate your tone a bit. I enjoy your style, but Ghulam Saheb is the one who decided who stays and who has to pack up.

By the way, who actually built the Hindu temples and carved the Hindu sculptures? Certainly not the Brahmins who take credit for them and control the temples, minting gold by cheating all other Hindus.

The temples and the sculptures were the work of Sudra and Dalit artisans and workers, not the Brahmins.

So why criticise the Muslims for exploting India? The cruelled exploiters are the Brahmins.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
161
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> The Congress and many other parties have failed.Haj subsidy, Iftar parties, and dressing in skull caps,, has made no difference.

Very shallow argument.

>> Look at muslims in Kerala who have formed an Indian muslim league.

It has been in existence since 1937. It has as much right to exist as the BJP, although I am against both, because I am against communal parties.

>> happy to remain a separate community.

Takes two to integrate.

>> I understand the western mind.

You think you do. You are a lot more ignorant and dense than you think.

>> They are characterised by a near total lack of knowledge of western thinking, history, philosophy and art.

Describes you more than the Muslim posters here.

>> The Koran has expressly commanded muslims to live separately.

If you read all the scriptures of all the religions, you will probably be less judgemental and also less stupid.

>> Indians on the other hand have tried to ape the west, and are nearly on par with them in many fields.

Hindus have progressed, and so have Muslims, but your tendency to come up with middle-school level arguments will stay stagnant.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
160
Part 2

Now why BJP and Muslims can and should solve this tangle ?

For last 60 yrs even before that Hindu Mahasabha or Jan Sangh or BJP have been taunted ,projected,presented as Party of Hindus not only by Secus but even by Muslims too .CONVINIENTLY BJP HAS ACCEPTED THIS LABEL OF PARTY OF HINDUS.Secus , Muslims ,World at large has accepted this too .Every body is comfortable with the situation except Hindus as a whole who are still voting on Secular patteren despite being routinely pillored by Muslims and Christians as Communalists .

IF REALLY BJP IS THE PARTY OF HINDUS THEN WHY BJP IS IN ALWAYS IN OPPOSITION EXCEPT ONCE ??

Still the Hindu party Tag Stands pinned on lapel of BJP.LET IT BE SO.

This should be starting point for dialogue between Muslims and Hindus.YET the basic problem still remains while we are ready to authorise BJP to reperesnt HindUs who will be reprentative party for Muslims .This Muslims has to solve.

Basis of my whole argument is that since the JEHADI TERROR HAS ENTERED SECOND PHASE OF EXTENSION -as it is now trageting Masjids,Muslims, common people -IT IS AT ITS VULNERABLE MOST .AS MUSLIMS WILL NOW BE SOONER OR LATER BE ON FORE FRONT TO FIGHT IT.
IF HOWEVER THEY DO THE MISTAKE LIKE PAKISTAN DID NOT fighting Terrorists AT THIS time and allow it to eneter final phase when Jehadies become DE-FACTO RULRES LIKE NWFP,BALOCHISTAN ,WAZIRISTAN OR FATA ETC then God knows what will happen in India??

YOUR GUESS IS AS GOOD AS MINE.

Already with due appologies I say Muslims in rest of India did miss the oppertunity of thrashing Terror in Kashmir .Had Muslim Leaders the sagacity and wisdom to oppose \CRITICISE the Pak supported Kashmiri Insurgency in eighties or Nineties-the Hindu- Muslim relations would have been gone Sea Change by now. Things would have been been much peacefull now.Mind it I am talking of 20 yrs LEAD as of to-day. That is past and lost.

So who is left in the field to tackle this Jehadi problem except BJP and MUSLIMS ??

Don't we want to solve ?? IF YES THEN WHY NOT THE OBIVIOUS AND THE ONLY COURSE LEFT FOR US ??

Choose now or never as their is no latter once Terror enters Final stage .Then war of Civilisation is the only option.CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS are already fighting in Iraq,Afaganistan and western Parts of Pak .Jews are fighting since ages .Only Hindus are left -we have to decide.Answere is in hands of Muslim Indians and Hindus.

Baba ji this issue needs more submissions but for THE time being I Rest My Case !

OVER TO FRIENDS !


a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
159
Baba Ganpat Ji

Here is my submission:

Haj Subsidies is Congie's introduction,Iftar Parties are extension of Mughal Court Practice stopped by Britishers immediately after 1857.Congies restarted these parties .Since then every prime Minister even Bajpai had been following this practice.

Haj Susidy is not permiited as per Hadit as one is not supposed to take any type of grant or subsidy .Better information can be given by Muslim friends.

But these are minor issues in interpersonal relations.

Sachar Commision was purely vote catching gimic.But in the process some valuable datta has been generated.Now UPA has raised high hopes in hearts of Muslims but Politicians are neither willing nor capable of impelementing THIS OR ANY OTHER REPORT. See the fate of 5% Reservations for Muslims in Andhra.All such moves will hardly stand the Secrutiny of Courts.

Pique of UPA is further heightened the way Courts threw away 27 % Reservations for OBC .

Are Congies fools that all the Reforms purposed by them are thrown wawy by Courts as Not Tenable per Constituion ?? NO RATHER THEY ARE CELVER . THEY KNOW THE LAW HAVING the BEST LEGAL ADVICE AT THEIR HANDS .Simple Baba ji be it Muslims or OBCs-
Humans beings always believe the Rulers specially if promises are tempting and meant to improve One's Lot .

But in actual life this has never happened nor will ever happen that Centuries old backwardness can't be eradicated with Laws.Lot of efforts are required to be made by the State and the supposed Benificiaries with support by the whole Society .

HOW CAN SCHEMES ,INCENTIVES ,RESERVATIONS WHICH CAN'T STAND THE SIMPLE TEST OF LEGAL SECRUTINY WILL UPLIFT MASSES ?? AT BEST THESE HARE BRAINED PROMISES ARE JUST POLITICAL FRAUDS ON GULLIBLE PEOPLE AND WILL REMAIN SO .
cntnd
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
158
"'Where I differ from you essentially is your belief that the muslim issue can be solved by the BJP by being nice to them""

Baba Ji

Thanks for stimulating thoughts .Give me little time to reply.Your mail deserves deep analysis .
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
157
"""Kashmir’s pathologist says haunted by the dead

SRINAGAR, India - Mohammed Maqbool, the only pathologist working in insurgency-racked Indian Kashmir, says he wants out of his job before it kills him.
After handling thousands of bodies, Maqbool, who started doing autopsies when he was assigned to a government mortuary, says he is ”haunted by the dead” -- even in his sleep.

“This profession is killing me slowly,” Maqbool said in an interview in Srinagar, urban hub of the revolt against New Delhi’s rule that began in 1989.

Maqbool, who trained as a nurse, has been doing autopsies since the separatist uprising began.

He discovers the cause of death in victims of shootouts, explosions and other attacks in the revolt that has left at least 40,000 people dead, according to official figures.

Maqbool, who has a receding hairline and a weary face, is called out every time a militant, soldier or civilian is killed to slice open their bodies in order to determine the cause of death -- a bullet through the head or stomach, loss of blood from an explosion, or a host of other violent causes.

“Whenever tragedy strikes, he has to rush to the police hospital to carry out autopsies, day or night,” says Maqbool’s daughter, Rubina Manzoor, 32.

Rarely a day passes without bloodshed in the snow-capped Himalayan state, once a top tourist destination.

“Maqbool has become indispensable for us,” says the region’s senior police officer Shri Murari Sahai.
Clean-shaven Maqbool says he has become more “emotionless” over the years but he still finds dealing with the bodies of children traumatic.

“After performing post mortems on children, I can’t eat food. I try to sleep but I don’t succeed even after taking tranquilisers. The innocent faces make you sob within,” he said.

“While working on the bodies of children my scalpel doesn’t work, my hands tremble,” he says.

The lack of other health professionals to help Maqbool in his task highlights the paucity of health resources in Kashmir.

Maqbool says he must have “worked on thousands of bodies” since the start of the insurrection by Islamic separatists.

He once found a man alive under a pile of corpses after a massive explosion in Srinagar.

“I felt his pulse by chance and to my shock he was breathing,” he said.

“We pulled him from under the pile of seven bodies and took him to a neighbouring hospital,” he said, adding the man survived.

But Maqbool says he believes peace is finally coming to Kashmir.

The proof is a drop in the number of bodies arriving at the mortuary since the start of a slow-moving peace process between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan in 2004, he said.

The talks are chiefly aimed at settling their differences over the region which both claim and which has triggered two of their three wars.

India accuses Pakistan of arming, funding and training Islamic militant groups battling New Delhi’s rule in Indian-Kashmir, a charge Islamabad denies.

“I have been praying all these years for peace to return,” Maqbool said.

“I think my prayers are being answered because fewer bodies are landing up at the mortuary.

On average now, two people die daily in violence, down from 10 a day six years ago.

Despite the hardships he must endure, Maqbool has seen little financial benefit from the job. He is paid a salary of 9,000 rupees (225 dollars) by the government and gets nothing for working overtime.

He lives in a run-down two-room apartment in a congested area of Srinagar.

“What can I do? This is the only job I have,” says Maqbool "" Khaleej Times

Hope Salhudin and ilk realise the conseqence of their madness
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
156
Next moment you love India and we Hindus should leave your beloved country......

not hindus but coward bigoted worms like you.you are not hindu you are the fringe lunatic element which uses hindu identity as a source of power,

Nehru and Gandhi begged Jinnah not to insist on Pakistan, but in the end Nehru realised that a partition was the best under the circumstances....

try to find a good source.nehrus role in pushing jinnahs hand is well known.given the animosity nehru felt and the country got divided for sake of nehrus hatred.

You have Arabic
names, a way of liveing which is quite different from ours.Suddenly you are loyal Indians......

so what and who the hell are you to question my loyalty,we have shed blood for this country for hundreds of years,at that time your ancestors must have been more worried about daily chores.as i said you lunatics get out and there will be peace.
asadyar khan jogezai
boston, United States
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
155
MALL JI

Your solution for Terror ?? Will Abuse solve it ??
Mwanwhile please do me a favour -pls read link posted below and seehow Jehad is destroying Pak .

Mine analysis rejected by you-then what is yours ?? Mall ji being a Punjabi I can shower choicest quotes but alas you are an honourable female !!

I assure you if by ranting and breast beatings Terror problem can be solved -thousands of Muslims will join us in breast beating on road !!

Solution is "jointly eliminate Terror not mutually abuse ""
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
154
Vinod,

>> a jealous and pervert mind is more dangerous.

That's why you should not succumb to those tendencies.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
153
"""needless to say there are Malls in our community, that is why you see the terrorism.""

Thanks Mr. MUNTAJIB KHAN .Soon many more Muslims will join anti-terror fight.Together we have to solve this Problem otherwise our Grandchildern will not be safe.Bomb or Bullet kill and don't distinguish between religeons.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
152
was in Mangaluru (Mangalore), Mr. Ganpat Ram between January 1945 and January 1948. I am not sure whether or not those were my better days.

As for Mangaluru, all I remember was standing in the Rations Line, the Kerosene Oil Line, the School Line, etc and walking 3 kilometres daily to school and back.
JOSEPH
KARACHI PAKISTAN
03:37:29PM (IST)

MORE MAIL YOUR TAKE?

Mr. Joseph
Mangalore is also famous for its port and is presently in news for Bollywood lass, Aishwarya Rai. Like her, you should also know Tula,a dialect spoken by Brahmins. Just curious to know.
Muntajib Khan
Aurangabad, India
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
151
HAD MODI CONTROLLED RIOTS INSPITE OF GODHRA -HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SURELY IN LIST OF FUTURE PMs .Also Bajpai would have got 5 more years as PM.

Am I wrong ??

Only BJP repeat BJP only can solve this Jehadi Problem with help and participation of Muslims.

Politics is an Art of converting impossible into Possible NOT POSSIBLE INTO IMPOSSIBLE .YOU CAN STICK TO YOUR EXTREME STAND \ Postions - but WILL NOT translate into VOTES .INDIAN VOTER IS Very INTELLIGENT !!
A K GHAI
MUMBAI INDIA
11:33:12AM (IST)

MORE MAIL YOUR TAKE?
Ghai Bhai
Well said. The ilk of Sataputra, Mall, Vinod, Sanathan,Bodepudi and others are bent on making a failed state out of India. Sane minded Hindus
will condemn them and needless to say there are Malls in our community, that is why you see the terrorism.
Two wrongs do not make one right, is an old adage.
Muntajib Khan
Aurangabad, India
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
150
Vinod,

>> Its unfair on your part to call others as bigots so frequently.

Only three. The others, including perhaps myself, may show intolerance once in a while, but have not completely succumbed to the virus.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
149
Mall/Minu,

>> It is us whom you name that are showing up bigots that your religion is known for.Just read your Koran.

Let us all throw our scriptures in each others' faces and we shall have a great world to live in!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
148
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> do not give even a crust of bread in return.

Exactly why I keep calling you a liar! Just ask the Red Cross about the contributions they receive from Muslims, or find out the sources of money donated for tsunami relief.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
147
Sariputra/Bodepudi,

>> think of poor himself who had no choice but to endure this lunacy, life long.

Exactly what I think of you. However unlike you, Minu and Bagai, I am not here to preach hatred against any community. I am here to show up bigots.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 24, 2007 12:00 AM
146
Mall/Minu,

>> Why do you post incessantly here for 3 yrs running?

To show up bigots like Bagai, Bodepudi and you.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 23, 2007 12:00 AM
145
Sariputra/Bodepudi,

>> I have compassion for all these fanatics since they have to live with IGNORANCE rest of their lives.

It is true that fanatics are basically ignorant, including yourself.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 23, 2007 12:00 AM
144
""Use your brain. It is in India's interest to see a stable and prosperous Pakistan. ''

PARBAT LALDENG

FOOL I AM- ACCEPTED .No harm in accepting truth .

BOSS ENUNCIATE WHAT SHOULD INDIA DO TO HELP PAK ?? They themself are NOT in a Postion to Help them selves .Whole World is breaking its and Pakies Heads to take out Pak from Terror Mess but Result is Zero .

PARBAT YOU HAVE MADE A PROPOSTION -PLEASE GUIDE HOW TO PROCEED ??

a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 23, 2007 12:00 AM
143
""Joseph:

Believe me, your best days and Magalore's best days are since you left for Pakistan.""


PARBAT DA JAWAB NHIN !
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 23, 2007 12:00 AM
142
"'Mr Ghai you are a man of good intentions, But as some one said, The road to hell is paved with good intentions ''""

I may be wrong Baba ji .I consider only way for peace and prosperity is to take along Muslims . There is no alternative .If any please guide me Oh Baba ji.

I feel BJP and Muslims have to sit together and sort out .Neither Mulayam nor Maya nor Commies can help Muslims.CONGRESS HAD THE CHANCE FOR SIX DECADES TO SOLVE THIS SPAT BUT THEY FLARED IT MORE TO GET VOTES.

WHO OPENED BABRI lOCKS ?-ARUN NEHRU

WHO DID FIRST SHILNAYAS ? -RAJIV GANDHI

MUSLIMS WILL BE FOOL TO TRUST CONGRESS NOW.

THE ONLY PARTY LEFT IS BJP .Time being Muslims are not realising it .

Baba ji I am a human being I can be wrong too.

My harsh views on terrorists and Encounters make me 'man of bad intentions ' with Muslims .Wait they too will agree what I say.

AFTER ALL- THEY TOO WANT TO LIVE PEACEFULLY AND CARRY ON WITH LIFE.

If any body or any friend give any workable solution- I am agreeable.

Swami ji will guide us .
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 23, 2007 12:00 AM
141
Ghai:

You are an idiot.

You don't seem to understand that the worse it is for Pakistan, the worse it will be for India. Muslims from Pakistan will flood into India and make it a far worse Hell than it already is.

Use your brain. It is in India's interest to see a stable and prosperous Pakistan.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
May 23, 2007 12:00 AM
140
Joseph:

Believe me, your best days and Magalore's best days are since you left for Pakistan.

I have met Pereiras of your family in Richmond British Columbia and they confirm that it was a big break for them when the pro-Pakistani Michael Pereira left for Pakistan.

Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
May 23, 2007 12:00 AM
139
Instead of "Puritans" in my last post, read "Pilgrims".
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 23, 2007 12:00 AM
138
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> So go ahead and tell Kashmiri muslims and Kerala muslims that they have a crazy mindset.
Then go ahead and write to Pakistan and tell them you are against the formation of their country.

This is stupid. Why do I need to tell anyone anything?

>> The fact that I do not wish to live in a society with too many muslims is my right.

Who questioned it?


>> What you want is that people should like muslims, and if they dont then they are fascists etc.

Totally idiotic and irrelevant to anything that I have said.

>> We Hindus have no problems in nonmuslim societies, But we have lots of problems with you guys.

My problem is with hate mongers like yourself who are out to make the situation worse than it is.

>> For your info few Europeans are happy with their muslim populations.

Considering the cultural chasm, I am surprised that things are not much worse. The first wave of Muslim emigrants to Europe are in fact very orthodox. The first wave of European migrants to America were also very orthodox. The Puritans, as they were called, burned hundreds of women on the stake, calling them "witches". The state in which it happened, Massachussetts, is now the most liberal state in the country. Things work themselves out with the passage of time. But for a mean spirited bigot like you, the difficulties of European Muslims are an occasion for gleeful gloating.

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 23, 2007 12:00 AM
137
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 23, 2007 12:00 AM
136
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> The nobel prizes given to Ebadi, Iran and the latest to Turkish author was a back handed slap to the Ummah.

They are my kind of Muslims.

>> Is it so difficult to find 25 muslims who have acheived national acclaim.


http://209.85.165.104/s...l=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us


Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 23, 2007 12:00 AM
135
I suggest that muslims in India be given states or enclaves , in fact mini Pakistans, where they can manage their own affairs. Your own armies, foreign ministry, own currency , what ever......



i suggest that vermin and termites like you who are nibbling and destroying the ethos of a great nation get out of india,rest we will manage,we have lived with hindus for a millienia,until bugs like you came along and planted seeds of partition.its not just muslims ,it was sikhs before whom you demonised and tried to destroy twig and branch on altar of politics.
asadyar khan jogezai
boston, United States
May 23, 2007 12:00 AM
134
""How is it related to the Financing of so-called Militant Islamic Groups?. "'

Retired Hurt or joined Ashram -Chacha ??
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 23, 2007 12:00 AM
133
Baba Ganpat ji \Guru ji\Mall ji

I stand for every word I said .You asked -What mistake Modi did -I replied clearly -he should have stopped riots as ultimately Riots damged BJP in elections.EVEN BJP CONFIRMS IN PRIVATE.BJP won Gujrat but lost Delhi .

HAD MODI CONTROLLED RIOTS INSPITE OF GODHRA -HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SURELY IN LIST OF FUTURE PMs .Also Bajpai would have got 5 more years as PM.

Am I wrong ??

Only BJP repeat BJP only can solve this Jehadi Problem with help and participation of Muslims.

Politics is an Art of converting impossible into Possible NOT POSSIBLE INTO IMPOSSIBLE .YOU CAN STICK TO YOUR EXTREME STAND \ Postions - but WILL NOT translate into VOTES .INDIAN VOTER IS Very INTELLIGENT !!

Now please don't quote Punjab, Rajasthan,MP,Uttrakahand. I add Goa likely and Delhi surely.

Talk of PM's CHAIR FOR BJP.

GIVEN FREE HAND BAJPAI CAN TACKLE JEHADI PROBLEM IN A BETTER WAY.
Now your point that Muslim Indians are like Paki ones. Kashmiri Muslim are examples.Support to Pak Jehadies and shelter to SLEEPER CELLS other examples.

MY answere is that KASHMIR TRUE but else where a fringe is involved in these nefarious acts -we have to elimniate them BY ENCOUNTERS AS IN PUNJAB BUT FOR THAT WE NEED MUSLIM'S CO-OPERATION like Sikhs who helped security . IN Kashmir Muslims have started helping Security forces now .
Why encounters because in judicial process even a jehadi like Prof.Geelani can go scot free on technalities .He is now DARLING OF MORAL BRIGADE.

AM I wrong ??

While replying please keep in mind that already Afganistan,Pakistan ,Iraq,Irn next,--are burning in Jehad LIT Fires. We have to try to keep out India of this mad mad Cultural WAR being fought by Christians ,Jews on one side and Muslims on other side.
China is playing its cards well.It has crushed Jehadies Muslms and previously Tibetans too.Please Remeber that Auto -Cratic states can tackle Jehadies better as ruthless means are needed to snuff them .Why auto crat Mush failed ? Because Mush is playing double game.

India can't adopt harsh methods being a Democracy .Even UPA is shivering to hang Afzal whose hanging is cleared by all .It is awaiting recommendations of the Home Ministery to Prez.

Shiv Raj Patil Home minister has brazenly said he will take seven years to clear the file !!

Ultimately Strong armed methods will be employed in India to finish terrorism but for that Muslim's help is needed .This Phase too will come as Jehadies have already started STRIKING IN MASJIDS,MUSLIM LOCALITIES AND CITIES.

This is my submission.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 23, 2007 12:00 AM
132
>> I asked for the names of 25 muslims in India who have made it to the top.

Liar, this is what you had posted, "how about nameing 25 prominent muslims who have earned the repect of society in various fields", and I reminded you of the list I had given you last year of Muslim Nobel laureates. Now you add the words "in India". Why give any lists to a liar who can change his words without any qualms?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 23, 2007 12:00 AM
131
Ganpat/bagai,

>> Girls in beach clothes in Karrachi, women playing golf in Kabul.

If these are significant signs of diversity for you, you are more stupid than I thought.

>> Kashmiri muslims want to leave India.
>> Kerala muslims have a party called Indian muslim league.

Kashmiri Muslims and Kerala Muslims may have the same mindsets that you have. They do not represent me. You may want to explain your hateful apartheid theories by projecting your bigotry on others, but that will not hide the fact that you are a bitter and persistent segregationist of the worst kind.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
130
Aaron/Bodepudi,

>> " .... simply unfit to be our neighbour."

The hatred you project on Islam is even more evident in your own heart!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
129
Aaron/Bodepudi,

>> Unless Hindus are united on the basis of 1. survival and 2. shared history of Islamic holocausts, India will go Islamic in less than a century.

Although I do not think Hinduism is in any danger, if it is going to be "saved" by the likes of Aaron/Bodepudi and Mall/Minu, heaven help it!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
128
"There are so many muslims here and many more are willing to come here at any given chance...not only US, even UK or other parts of europe offred olive branches, and now they are repenting for allowing so mnay" GURU

Nearly half of the Pakistanis in the US are illegals and their number equals Indians, no wonder! Dotto with the Bangladeshis, Palestinians, Nigerians, Somalis, Eritreans, etc etc-including Muslims from Hyderabad. The Al Queda recruits them for its sleeper cells and the Islamic charities and the Saudis aggressively fund to spread their fanatical disease.

Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
127
"One more civilized way is to impose compulsory family planning as the Muslims in India are asking for their pound of flesh every time and everywhere purely on the merits of thier numbers." Vonod

This was the least the true leaders should have done in 1947 since protecting our own heritage has to be the one non-negotiable demand of any people, anywhere. Stalin who killed 25-30 million innocent Buddhists, gypsies and jews-eventually is forgotten and bit the dust. Hitler, who killed 20 million jews and gypsies is also gone-for good. Mao who killed 60-70 million small peasants, freedom fighers and the Buddhists, etc., is also gone.

Islam that had decimated 80 mollion Hindus and over 20 million Buddhists (not counting the tens of millions of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Parsees, Zoroastrians, Ahmediyas, Majlis, etc., on and on) will also bite the dust and will be defeated. Islam's wrathful god who commanded to kill tens of millions is simply unfit to be our neighbour. This is even more so of his blind and bigoted followers?
Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
126
guru:

Who has been more cruel and oppressive than the Brahmins and Upper Castes?

They never built the Hindu temples or carved the Hndu sculptures. Sudra artisans and Dalits created these treasures with untold cost of blood and sweat. Yet the contemptible, cowardly Brahmins and Upper Castes took control of these treasures, earned vast wealth from them and presented them to the outside world as their creation.

Meanwhile they treated the Dalits as lowrer than the dust, shit-carriers.

Does humanity know of a viler breed than these cowardly greedy oppressors?
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
125
Guru Ji I have importnt mission in hands to oversee DUE PROCESS OF LAW is followed -if after that we are alive we will discus what to do ABOUT INDIA .

Meanwhile please concentrate on assigned job-GO AND PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF A TERRORIST !!
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
124
"The media has an agenda to show that Hindus are villains who kill peaceful muslims when it is the opposite.The money starts pouring in from the muslims worldwide." MALL

Islam is, defacto, one of the largest political partties, in India. Unless Hindus are united on the basis of 1. survival and 2. shared history of Islamic holocausts, India will go Islamic in less than a century. Once Muslims are closer to 30% of the population, which they will achieve in 3 decades, the Hindu disintegration and disapperance will be more rapid.

Therefore, the political parties and the media need to be exposed for their "Brutusque" role in this epic tragedy. Saudi Arabia spens, annually, four Billion+ for spreading its Wahabi fanaticism. Those in politics and media in the Wahabi pay rolls need to be exposed, on a daily basis
Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
123
"You and Goebbels" GF

You have failed completely in making any sense since you can not have a conversation, much less intelligent, when it's not based on reason and unsubstantiated by facts. I pray for you



Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
122
""How can BJP govern India minus Muslims?

Sudheendra Kulkarni
-------
The BSP, a party of the Scheduled Castes, moved away from badmouthing brahmins to embracing them, thereby scripting a winning electoral formula without alienating Muslims. Call it soft Hindutva or anything else, but it has worked. Who then is preventing the BJP from similarly expanding its support base by moving away from its half-hearted, on-again-off-again attempts to reach out to Indian Muslims to making it a sincere component of its ideological commitment, political activism and election strategy? We know the answer: it is those who are urging it to adopt “aggressive Hindutva” in pursuit of non-existent, even counter-productive, electoral gains. ""

MR.KULKARNI WAS ASST. to ADVANI .


http://www.expressindia...lstory.php?newsid=86729
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
121
Ganpat Baba

Why do Brahmins take the credit for Hindu temples and Hindu art when they never created them, the Sudras and the Dalits did with their sweat and blood?

In Kerala, to give one instance, the carpenters who produce the magnificent carpentry that makes people proud to be Keralites are from castes that are Untouchable traditionally.

What have Brahmins done for India except exploit and boast?

PARBAT LALDENG
DENVER UNITED STATES
07:48:06PM (IST)


Muntajib Khan
Aurangabad, India
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
120
""Mr Ghai...do not blame Modi...what did he do wrong? If secular media starts spreading rumors...then there comes a situation, where even a lie becomes a fact...you know about the growth of Gujarati under the rule of Modi""

Guru \ Mall\ Baba Ganpat\Faruki\Other friends

I do appreciate Modi's managerial Success in Gujrat.BUT AS AN ADMINISTRATOR HE SHOULD HAVE not allowed the riots to happen inspite of and despite of GODHRA.This is his failure !

HAD HE DONE THIS BAJPAI WOULD HAVE BEEN STILL THE PM. BJP WON GUJRAT BUT LOST DELHI GADDI. I agree in Police Firings Maximum numbers of Hindus died.

Had he prevented riots Muslims votes were for Bajpai as Guilt complex and Remorse among Muslims for Godhra would have swung Muslim votes to BJP .You should know that a big Muslim Section had turned Pro-Bajpai after his visit to Islamabad and reconsilation with Pak .Surely Modi could have been in Line of future PM from BJP.

Now Congress has become resurgent in Gujrat -Vaghela on on move .But his success is doubtfull as Sabrudincase and Congress's role has not been approvd by the Hindus .

REMEBER in Godhra HISTORY had OFFERED AN Golden OPPUTUNITY TO MODI AND BJP TO WIN OVER MUSLUM VOTES and wash out anti Muslim Image . Muslims had reconciled to destroyed Babri by then.This would have freed BJP from dependence on RSS .Now BJP and NATION HAVE TO WAIT FOR NEXT HISTORICAL OPPUTUNITY .It will not be Godhra type but the utter failure of Congress to manage country.

PLEASE EXAMINE THE ISSUE FROM THIS ANGLE.That is why I always say the peace in India will come only when BJP and Muslims come together again.
Therafter we will be able to snuff out Jehadi Terrorism .
If any alternative solution you have please give.Remember you can't ignore 15 crore Muslims.Either we have to take them along us as willing partners to path of progress or to drag them along.But they can't be ignored.

FINAALY REMEMBER ISI AND JEHADI CELLS IN INDIA WILL NOT BE ELIMINATED WITHOUT Muslims PARTICIPATION.
I don't ask for pacfication but for reconcilation. THINK.
NO HARM IN examining this angle.

See what is happening in Pakistan,Bangladesh,Afganistan,Arab world .

Let us open the paths of reconsilation instead of confrontation and mutual destruction .
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
119
Aaron/Bodepudi,

>> That Islamic conquests killed tens of millions of Hindus.

You and Goebbels can repeat a lie a hundred times, but it does not become the truth. Even more obnoxious than your lying, is your being so blase about your hate spreading activities.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
118
"A congenital distorter of facts like yourself" GF

1. That Islamic conquests killed tens of millions of Hindus-Indics is a GLARING TRUTH, even blind can see. Where's distortion?

2. That the Islasmic jihsdi terror destroyed tenns of thousands of Hindu temples and Buddhist shrines is a proven fact. Many Moslems boast about their conquests and Pakistan proudly names its missile Ghori, the mass murderer of Hindus and destroyer of India's temples and cities-Where's the question of distortion? The facts are so gruesome they are unprintable.

3. That the Islamic fanatics destroyed innumerable traditions and freedoms and civilizations is a known fact. What's NOT KNOWN is the extent of its devastation, its geographic reach and range and its unending SERIAL crimes against humanity,

4. That Isdlam treats its women as less than equal is widely known-why veil humans? It's also a fact that the prophet led, personally, 86 offensive out of a total of 87 wars that he waged! Where's the distortion? Perhaps not mentioned for the sake of courtesy towards Moslem friends is the fact that he forbade his wife of 18 to remarry, minutes before he died!

5. The Great Nalanda University, the equivalent of which Islam is CONSTITUTIONALLY incapable of ever replicating, ever, was destroyed in cold blood, killing over 22,000 monks and nuns and students and professors and visitors, overnight, in 1199. This will for ever live in memory as the greatest religious crime ever committed in human history-is an understatement, not a distortion.

6. That Islam is terrotorial in its mission and hence it's an ideology similar to that of the Third Reich, is simply a fact. Look at Pakistan and Bangla Desh! Why genocidally partition a foreign land? Where is the question of religiosity here?

7. That Islam has committed terror since 712, in India, and that it continues to this day-is a fact. Where's the distortion?

All this is being done with the most compassionate motivation-to give Islam a long rope so it will climb itself out of the bigotry-terror hole it has dug for itself, since its birth. It's not the motivation to have them hang themselves with this long rope-of repentence-leading to forgiveness-and then for reaching a consensus for the formation of Hindu Rashtra which alone can guarantee safety and peace for all.

Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
117
Aaron/Bodepudi,

>> Why this secularist fraud when Islam is congenitally anti-diversity?

A congenital distorter of facts like yourself would not know that most religions are anti-diversity to start with, but adapt and grow as they absorb wider experiences. But for a hate monger like yourself, these things matter very little.


Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
116
Guru,

>> the fact that you support muslims who got so many great virtues speak about your hate to hindus...

A totally meaningless statement.

>> you argue in support of shorebuddin.

I never did. All I said was that police should not kill those in their custody.

>> you argue that hindus should be peace lvong and obidient, while your muslim brothers go on butchering them.

You are inventing things. I never said that.

>> you tell us that malegon blasts, hyderabad blasts cld be the hand work of hindu extremists.

I said that until solid evidence is found, no one should be above suspicion.

>> very well know that hindus, let it be vhp, bajrang or who ever, does not have the intellence to use RDX.

I do not know that.

The rest of your post is way beyond the scope of this article, and is more a reflection of your blanket attitude of hatefulness than anything else.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
115
"Can you copy-paste any of my posts which show hate for Hindus?" GF

Why show open hate when the secret plan for ethnic cleansing is so spectacularly successful?
!. Please openly support the formation of Hindu Rashtra as otherwise Hindus will meet same fate as Christians in Turkey, in less than a century!

Why this secularist fraud when Islam is congenitally anti-diversity?

Why this democracy fraud when women are treated worse than slaves, in Islam?

Why multiply at rate twice that of Hindus-by not openly supporting a one-child policy for all muslims until their numbers are aligned with the demographic balance as in 1947?


Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
114
U can't live with muslims this is bloody saem $hit be it against buddhist in tahland or chrstian in russia or hindus in india.. these giuys are incapable of coexisting with others
Rahul
Delhi, India
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
113
Guru,

>> you show us hate, we reciprocate.

Can you copy-paste any of my posts which show hate for Hindus?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 22, 2007 12:00 AM
112
Aaron/Bodepudi,

>> the Islamic constitition, whose wrathful, vengeful (Who commanded to kill....

How many deceitful disguises are you going to use to ventillate your hateful and inflammatory views? Have you no sense of shame at all?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
111
"how pathetic and sick mindset of sabre rattling minority citizens is.but being a product of a feeling of impotence that too being stretched to historical past you can rattle and roll with it.
"

I guess you prefer a mindless slaughter over a territorial dance....I guess US was right in your opinion after all in dealign with Iraq, Qaida and Ghanistan.
akshay
hyd, india
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
110
Ganpat/bagai,

>> the valley for muslims and no Hindus.
>> an offer to kerala muslims that they can have their own Islamic state.

Are you, sitting there up in Denmark, going to keep dividing India and proposing mass migrations of people within India in order to get your ethnically pure states? My guess is that most people would consider your proposal to be very stupid.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
109
"yes .ethnic cleansing at such a large scale that india is 80% hindu to this day,"

Who are you trying to fool......apparently in your knowledge of history hindus never existed in afghanistan pakistan and bangladesh.
akshay
hyd, india
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
108
Outlook

Please collect funds for commemorating ALL the innocents killed-including the most recent Hyderabad, Gujarat, Godhra, Delhi, Varanasdi, Mumbai, Bangalore terror bombings AND, most importantly, for commemorating tens of millions of the Hindu-Indics killed during Islamic massacres in India, since 712
Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
107
To read:

"Whose god is not even FIT to be thy neighbor" in the post below
Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
106
"Muslims built may wonderful bulidings in Indiasuch as the Taj Mahal and also promoted the idea of a united India" Parbat

It's the workers who toiled for years and sacrificed lives in hundreds, who had built the Taj Mahal, is it not!

Soon India will be united under the Quran, the Islamic constitition, whose wrathful, vengeful (Who commanded to kill hundreds of millions of Non-Believers) god is not even to be thy neighbor, dear Parbat.

But, your point has merits-but please offer solutions, India has the most aggressive affirmative action in the world, validated by a constitution drafted by tnone other than the great Ambedkar.

Yes, it's workers who create wealth-but only in "free" market economies-where both freedom for women (denied in Islam) and a free market are prerequisites.

I agree that the Priestly CLASS had created social inequality and enfeebled our motherland in defending against the bigoted jihadi jealots and their anti-human constitution.

Many landlords and especially the merchants were the ones who fleeced poor the most-blaming any one caste will serve no purpose, except helping the jihadi-secular cause

Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
105
Aaron

Who are you to say "nearly all that needs to be done has been done?"

How about asking the many scores of millions of Dalits and Tribals who are eking out the most miserable and humiliated lives in the gutter of the Brahmin caste system?

Why not ask them why they often don't even have the right to drink from wells they have dug?

How about asking them why the fat children of Brahmins go abroad and boast about the "great" Hindu civiliation whose art and temples were created by the sweat and blood and skills of Sudras and Dalits?

Who says Muslims are worse enemies than Brahmins?

The Muslims at least brought the idea of social eqaulity to India (Sikhism is its direct result) and took in many Sudra and Dalit castes who had been relegated to utter contempt by the Brahmins.

Muslims built may wonderful bulidings in India such as the Taj Mahal and also promoted the idea of a united India.

The real enemies and outsiders in India are the Brahmins and other Upper Castes who have stolen the cultural achievements of others and disunited Indians with the vicious caste system.
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
104
"What have Brahmins done for India except exploit and boast" Parbat

This discussion, although extremely relevant, belongs to a different platform. My views are:

1. Legally and constitutionally, nearly all had been done what needs to be done.

2. Now, the question is of attitudes that can not be legislated

3. Priests as a CLASS benefited most and exploited while many Brahmins also suffered under this evil

4. Now these upper castes have resources and skills that can and must be mobilized for the benefit of Dalits and other poor, most skillfully.

5. First, India should be freed from Islamic demographic expansion. During this phase, ALL others must be united

6. Once India is permanently, constitutionally and legally free from Islam, a terrorist ideology, all other issues will vanish like morning mist
Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
103
correction:

CCTVS AND METAL DETECTORS were previously installed TO ENHANCE SECURITY IN Masjid but Imams compelled Govt to remove these basic Security Measures.Can any body explain what cab be objection by Imams ?? Are not in MEcca too the Hajies are always on CCTV for Security Reasons ? Why not here ?? What objections ??
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
102
Now Mr YSR Reddy says that IMAMS compelled Govt to remove CCTVS AND METAL DETECTORS TO ENHANCE SECURITY IN Masjid.Hence SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS WERE COMPROMISED.IF THE CULPRITS HAVE DONE A CLEAN JOB this case too will meet dead end like Samjhota blasts.

Well that is the tragedy and stupidity of these Imams who oppose any and every progressive measures.IT IS THE DUTY OF MUSLIMS TO TAKE IMAMS TO TASK FOR degrading security arrangements.Had the CAMERAES NOT REMOVED UNDER ORDERS OF IMAMS THE FOOTAGE WOULD HAVE SURELY SHOWN THE CULPRITS.Also it should be investigated who had mis-led Imams . Hardliners ?? Who were they ??

I will prefer to believe Reddy than these idotic Imamas who don't realise that prevention is better than cure.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
101
Ganpat Baba

Why do Brahmins take the credit for Hindu temples and Hindu art when they never created them, the Sudras and the Dalits did with their sweat and blood?

In Kerala, to give one instance, the carpenters who produce the magnificent carpentry that makes people proud to be Keralites are from castes that are Untouchable traditionally.

What have Brahmins done for India except exploit and boast?
Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
100
"Kashmiri muslims have been fighting to leave India for decades. I believe that India should withdraw fron this place, and split up, so that there is a complete ethnic separation in this area. Jammu and Ladakh for India, without muslims, and the valley for muslims and no Hindus."

Speak for yourself. Those wanting independence from India should leave India and the entire J&K, including POK, belongs to India, and should one day be liberated

Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
99
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> Secondly how about nameing 25 prominent muslims who have earned the repect of society in various fields.

Last year you asked the same question, and I gave you a list of all the Muslim Nobel Prize winners. That however does not stop you from asking the same stupid question again!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
98
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> I have lived with many different nationalities in the West , but never have I met people like you.

Did you meet any of the Nazis who killed 6 million Jews, or Russians who killed 10 million Kulaks, or Bajrangdalis armed with trishuls and kerosene cans?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
97
Chitrlekha,

>> Are all muslims APJ Kalam ?

Are all Hindus Gandhiji? I just go by previous episodes, when police arrest some guys, and then nothing comes of it. I have no opinon as to whether it was done by Indian Muslims, Pakistani Muslims or Hindus. I am just interested in the integrity of the investigation.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
96
Ganpat Baba ji,

I have really not lost hopes yet.Things would have been settled since long before if Secus & Muslim Clergy had made sincere efforts to integrate Muslims into Main Stream INSTEAD KEEPING THEM POOR AND DEPENDENTS to garner the votes. Modern Education was denied to Muslims and Secu Govts ensured they remain in Madrasa .After 1947 I saw to Generations of Muslims carrying the Guilt of Partition and Guilt of Betrayal of the Country .Now should future Muslim Generations OF iNDIA will live labelled as Jehadies ?? WE have to make efforts to atleast in India to take along Muslims on Path to progress and prosperity.

However I agree Western World has written off Muslims as Jehadies.That is a Tragedy ! Does not behove well for future of Mankind.

SEE HOW WAHBIES IMAMS Of LALMASJID type HAVE REUINED PAKISTAN ,BANGLADESH,AFGANISTAN,ETC.

Now Hindus too have hardened their attitudes.

WHOM TO BLAME ??
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
95
"Repeating a lie will not make it a truth. There is a nefarious purpose to this falsification of history, and it is simply to exacerbate communal tensions and put Muslims on the defensive. That helps BJP win votes." Faruki

This figure was quoted by the most merciful spiritual leader, known for his life-long devotion to TRUTH, PEACE and harmony. He also wrote that wrathful and vengeful gods in Bible and the Koran are unfit to be our neighbors.

I trust him completely since I have met him and KNOW that what he said is TRUE

The pathetic "moderate' Muslims who deny Islamic holocausts are COWARDS and are fanning communal fires with their denials-are worse than Gobbels.

Hindus have both the right and an obligation to fight and win a Hindu India for themselves where Muslims can live in CERTAIN peace and social harmony. Otherwise, Himdus will first become a minority in less than a century, and then will constitute less than 1% during the next.

Therefore, it's a MUST for Hindus to fight this "SECULAR=FASCIST devil, just to survive



Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
94
Now question also arises why police killed infuriated Mob who was lamenting police's incompetance in taking precautionary measures .Couldn't police have used Rubber Bullets ??

Unfortunately for Reddy Chief Minister of AP -Central HOME MINISTERY LET THE CAT OUT OF the BAG BY DECLARING ADVANCE WARNING WAS GIVEN TO THE STATE.
Though we know the Intelligence Reports are always vague and of General nature.

Our Police has lost the art of collecting information Intelligence.It is equally true that any ordinary Mortal if sees or hears some thing -he will RUSH TO HIS HOME ,ON WAY COLLECT HIS CHILDERN FROM SCHOOLS ,GO HOME AND CLOSE THE DOORS . NO WAY ANY BODY WILL GO TO POLICE TO INFORM !! If some unfortunate one goes to Police he will spend HIS BALANCE LIFE VISITING COURTS ,Police Stations etc.By chance if Govt declares Award for the informer -Police will simply Pocket it. Not a dime will reach the informer.
Now here is a lesson for UPA -the Rulers have not only be Impartial but impartiality should be visible too.WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN UPA's REACTION IF THE BLASTS HAD HAPPENED IN GUJRAT AND MODI's POLICE HAD KILLED MORE IN POLICE FIRING ?? Full UPA would have descended in Ahemedabad .

Now apply same yard stick to Reddy too.Not I want to justify what Modi did- but Centre has to play its ROLE HONESTLY AND IMPARTIALLY.

GO and Sit in Hyderabad .Solve the case and if Muslims are found involved- Punish them.If Hindus are involved -Punish them.NO PROBLEM IF ENCOUNTERED IN FAKE ENCOUNTERS -AT LEAST REMAINING MOSQUES AND MANDIRS WILL BE SAVED .

Saraswati Behen and ilk will cry-let them weep .It is our life at stake so let us save it.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
93
GHULAM Y FARUKI,

Everytime muslims give example of Dr APJ Kalam. Are all muslims APJ Kalam ?

Then why to oppose when muslims are termed as terrorists ?
BTW, I know you are not muslim. You are just trying to create a debate like situation by writing with a muslim name :-))
Chitralekha
Panipat, India
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
92
GHULAM Y FARUKI,
Muslims were assembling bombs inside the mecca mosque and it went off.
At previous instances UPA government will blame pakistan to save the skin of indian muslims.
Chitralekha
Panipat, India
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
91
>> 80 million Hindus killed ( conservative)-over 20 million Buddhists and other Indics slaughtered.

Repeating a lie will not make it a truth. There is a nefarious purpose to this falsification of history, and it is simply to exacerbate communal tensions and put Muslims on the defensive. That helps BJP win votes.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
90
Editorial (Asian Age)
Scourge of Terror

The bomb blast which killed nine worshippers at Hyderabad’s historic Mecca mosque was abhorrent and cannot be condemned enough. In the recent past, terrorists have been systematically targeting mosques and temples in the country. In Maharashtra, dozens of worshippers lost their lives in attacks on mosques at Malegaon, Parbhani and Jalna. The bomb blast at Varanasi’s Sankatmochan temple also took a toll of nearly a dozen lives. Terrorists did not even spare the country’s most famous mosque: Delhi’s Jama Masjid. A temple or a mosque marked by sublime serenity is the last place where bloodshed should take place. By attacking mosques and temples, the desperadoes violate their sanctity. Creating panic and terror is not their only aim. When they target places of worships, they have a more sinister design. They hope that the bomb blast they trigger will rip apart the secular fabric of our pluralistic nation. They carry out such attacks in the hope that every such mayhem at a place of worship will lead to large-scale communal conflagration that will divide India. It is indeed the remarkable maturity of Hindus and Muslims that they have defeated such nefarious game plans. On the other hand, however, the Central government and most state governments have not been able to combat the scourge of terrorism effectively. The attack on Mecca mosque once again exposed the vulnerability of internal security in India. Both Andhra Pradesh chief minister Y.S. Rajasekhar Reddy and Union home minister Shivraj Patil claimed that there was prior intelligence report of an imminent attack. If that was the case, then why did not the Andhra Pradesh government take adequate security measures to avert the tragedy? Then there is the police, which could not prevent these enemies of humanity from committing the barbaric crime, but ended up opening fire on the people who were protesting the attack on Mecca Masjid. While the mob fury which followed the bomb blast could not be justified, the police should have exercised restraint in pacifying the angry people. It is a sad commentary on the state administration that while nine people were killed in the terrorist attack, five fell to police bullets.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
89
"cant help your muddled analysis,nonetheless what islamic terror inflicted on india are you talking about" Defender of Islamic Holocausts on Hindus

80 million Hindus killed ( conservative)-over 20 million Buddhists and other Indics slaughtered-200,000+ temples destroyed and 80,000 Buddhist stupas desecrated. And yet, have the gall to bomb Varanasi and Delhi? Godhra massacre?

While the Islamic terrorists are trying to repeat what Ghaznis, Ghoris, Nadir Shahs and Surangazebs had done-even more shameless is what these Ghulams andthe Khans are doing?

Lack of even acknowledgement of these heinous crimes is worse than pouring petrol over fire-what Ghulams and Khans shameless are experts at.

Despite all these Islamic Holocausts, no one should condone Gujrat tragedy
since evil should not be fought with evil-but through UNITED action-peaceful-by making India a Hindu Rashtra. There simply no other solution for peace and social harmony, in India

Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
88
Azeem Taqi ji

Malegaon Special Investigation Team of Maharashtra A SECU RULED STATE ( no Modi) had solved the case and filed the chargesheet IN cOURT .Tragically all the culprits turned out to be Muslims .Naturally Muslim felt suspicious and were unable to reconsile to the fact that a Muslim can kill a Muslim.QUITE NATURAL and SHOCKING.Muslims killing killings Muslims does not happen in India except Shia -Sunni killings though it is Normal world over -in Pak,in Bangladesh,in Afganistan,Iran, Iraq and rest of the Muslim World -MUSLIMS ARE KILLING MUSLIMS .INDIAN MUSLIMS ARE UNABLE TO RECONSILE TO INEVTABLE FACT THAT JEHADIES FINALLY START KILLING THEIR OWN. This is normal human reaction .Ultimately case has been transferred to CBI by UPA on request of Muslim Leaders.CASE WILL REST THERE NOW !!

Same happened in Punjab after initial phase Sikh terrorists started killing Sikhs.Then masses awakned and Terrorism was snuffed out.Kashmir is entering the phase of Terrorists killing Muslims.Now the Kashmiri Muslims are seeing the ugly face of Jehadies.

We have started seeing the real face of Terror in Malegaon,Samjhota,Hyderabad etc.It will be natural to suspect Hindus as the common sense says Muslims will not kill Muslim though World over we see MUSLIMS ARE KILLING MUSLIMS.

Muslims are passing through denial phase .Soon they too will accept the reality.HENCE WHAT WE READ HERE ARE THE SHOCKED RECTIONs .First normal reaction is reject all the Investgation results as Hindu favouring and Muslim Image Tarnishing .STICK TO STAND HINDUS ARE INVOLVED .Questions what proof ? How so sure ?? So let us wait Police or CBI investigation .If after investigations Police finds Jehadies hand like Malegaon then ?? Reject the investigations phase will come.

THEREAFTER ACCEPTANCE OF TRUTH .



Dear brother I SHUDDER THE DAY WHEN WE SEE HINDUS BOMBING MUSLIMS .Just think the magnitude of the Tragedy and holocast we will see.


a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
87
Mall/Minu,

>>
But these traitor idiots are concerned about imagined hindu hateful rhetoric.

One has to just read your posts to see hateful rhetoric. You have even been reduced these days to faking applause for the hateful posts of other bigots in the forum. What a way to spend a life!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
86
Muntajib Khan
Aurangabad, India
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
85
Welcome Asadyar.Now we have one more mullah to give Ghulam,Vijay-chennai,Muntajib company. With that age-old muslims are angels and the rest are villains line.Despite 9/11,godhra train,beslen russian children,7/11,etc etc etc etc..........
MALL
LA JOLLA UNITED STATES
08:00:21AM (IST)

Since we are growing in strength, the opinion will also be a balanced one. Also, here onwards, truth will prevail.
Muntajib Khan
Aurangabad, India
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
84
Mall/Minu,

>> What evidence.If you are a muslim you are innocent according to worldly secular law.No wonder terrorists are sent to Heaven for killing kafirs by the verdict of Allah.Please proceed to heaven.You do not respect secular worldly laws.

Poor Minu! She has lost it completely. Arguing with her would be unkind.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
83
While no doubt any violence against anyone is wrong and so far there has been no shred of evidence pointing to who perpetrated the attack at Mecca Masjid, Hyderabad, a point I thought up - it could be that Hindu fundamentalist organizations are behind it and were also behind the blasts at Jama Masjid, Delhi and at Malegaon, and in the Samjhauta Express too. They are only paying the Muslim fundamentalists in the same coin for the attacks in Kashmir, at the Sankat Mochan temple in Varanasi, etc.Is it not high time, the right thinking people from both sides get together and weed out the scourge of terrorism and,though a Muslim, I say this - the Muslims should start it because they have begun this present cycle back from Kashmir in 1989.A word of advice for fundamentalists from both sides from Dr martin Luther King Jr - 'Either we live together as brothers or persih together as fools.'
Azeem Taqi
Nashville, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
82
After every blast at a Hindu site, the secularists rush to advise that peace should be maintained - and in most cases it is.

But when a blast happens at a Muslim site, the poor secularists are not even given the chance of doling out advice.

The "believers" take to the streets stoning and burning anything and everything.
Chanakya
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
81
contd;youl find the a storm of stragglers of the war in your hometown,who knows if youre hale and hearty you might even fetch a good price in some slave market in kandahar.
asadyar khan jogezai
boston, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
80
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> However the main confrontation will be between USA, Israel, Europe on one side and muslims on the other. Take a guess who will win. I read a bit about the USA,defence industry and should there be a real standof ....

Ah, the dreams of a hateful bigot!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
79
Should there be a real war, it will be a war of
great barbarity, and the muslim world will be annihilated.....

bro you live in the vicinity of those countries not near greenland or iceland,you should wish yourselves well this doesnt happen ,(although everyone knows that america will be in a fully self destructive phase if it contemplates engaging this belt,even former american security advisors say that),hope this wish of yours doesnt get fulfilled it might just open hindu kush again and youl find the a storm of stragglers of the war in your hometown.
asadyar khan jogezai
boston, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
78
Ganpat/Bagai,

>> There are neo cons in USA who have debated the possibility of bombing Mecca and Medina, two of Islams holiest sites. Israel could bomb Iran ar any time.

News to cheer mindless bigots!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
77
Sathyamurthi: "the dastardly Mecca Masjid explosion at Hyderabad was the handiwork of some foreign Islamic Terrorists."

“His (Bilal's) role is still a matter of conjecture, more evidence is needed,” a senior intelligence officer coordinating with investigators said. (Sunday Express).
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
76
the main confrontation will be between USA, Israel, Europe on one side and muslims on the other....

nothing new these wars have been from the time of crusaders and saracens,dont worry about that,you worry about yourself
asadyar khan jogezai
boston, United States
May 21, 2007 12:00 AM
75
>> Why bomb Varanasi? Why Goghra? Why bomb India's Parliament?

Blame all this on Islam. But never invoke religion when talking of even bigger atrocities committed by non-Muslims!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
74
Police forces were stationed in Mecca Masjid for helping Muslims. It is irony that Muslims have torched hindu shops in old hyderabad city in the area closer to chaarminar. These muslims were shouting slogans against hindus and India.

Hindu temples were attacked but media have censored the news.

When police prevented muslims from torching hindus shops then muslims started hurling stones and soda bottles on police.
Police opened fire in self defense. Let us not humiliate police force all the time. If the morals of police force is degraded to please muslim terrorists then life of innocent non-muslims would be endangered.
Congress should stop its anti-hindu policy now otherwise it will become history in indian politics.

If congress continue supporting islamic terrorists outfits like SIMI, LeT, Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami (HUJI)then it will lose the votes of islamist hindus too in the long run.

Christian convert CM YSR Reddy is shielding the muslim culprits and trying to blame pakistan.
Congress have the habits of blaming pakistan after every attacks just to save the skins of indian muslims who are most rogue muslims in the world.

These indian muslims eats the bread and butter of hindu india and do not allow hindus to take out religious processions from their localities stating that it is against islam. If hinduism is against islam then why the heck they remained in India ?
Hindu police should deal with iron hands with these muslim criminals. The nexus of islamic secular forces with islamic terrorists should be exposed.
With return of UPA in power Islamic terrorism is increasing with every passing day. International communities will put india on radar if its government nourishes islamic terrorists to secure their votes. The security of entire nation will be jeopardised.
Chitralekha
Panipat, India
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
73
Remember "All muslims are not Dr APJ Kalam". Let us not equate all muslims with Dr Kalam.
Chitralekha
Panipat, India
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
72
Remember "All muslims are not Dr APJ Kalam".
Chitralekha
Panipat, India
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
71
I don't understand why people have been flocking to Hyderabad ever since removal of Nizam rule. Places like Vijayawada or Warangal which represent culture and ethos of collective AP should have been developed instead and made the state capital. Old city should have been left on it's own where muslims breed like rats and feed their miserable lives. Madras is Chennai, Trivandrum has become Thirvananthapuram and Bangalore became Bengaluru. Hyderabad is still Hyderabad. What it represents is imposition of muslim influence on a predominantly telugu people who got really nothing to do with Islam except eating their biryani. What more. Telugu people in Hyderabad think it's fine if others speak in some bastardised language called urdu in the state capital while making a business, political or cultural transaction with telugu people and refuse to speak telugu. What do they say about how one got to behave roman when in rome is completely lose on telugus. Many telugu people who come from villages find it difficult in the state capital to converse due to which reason they are shown secondary preference compared to guys who have knowledge of Colloquial Urdu.
chaitanya
chennai, India
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
70
From the evidences that are slowly emerging, it is gradually becoming clear that the dastardly Mecca Masjid explosion at Hyderabad was the handiwork of some foreign Islamic Terrorists with the ulterior motive of developing it into a communal carnage between the Hindus and Muslims in the country. What kind of Jihadh is this? Muslim Faithfuls going on a spree to damage their own hallowed worshipping place, killing their own brethren assembled there to offer their prayers,just for triggering a blood bath? Does Islam permit such heinous acts to be called jihad?
T.Sathyamurthi
Folsom, United States
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
69
""'it is ,i tell this from personal experience,since you are not a muslim you dont have these experiences.if you dont know you should have watched bbcs panorama last month.i hope it wasnt banned there.''

Why should I know India through BBC when I can personaly observe it staying amidist it ???

I know Muslims perssonally and perhaps better than you for decades .When you feel all Indian Govts by UPA,NDA, COmmies are against Muslims and you will not get justice here in India .So what next ?? Another Division ??

Are Muslims of Pakistan or Bangladesh or any where in world happy ?? Has whole of the world turned against them ?? Will problems of Muslims be solved by accusing whole of the World ?? When differences arise in two groups and Religeons they are solved by mutual discussions .Khan Sahib we will discusss off and on these problems here.But realise we can only educate each other and share experiences .

IF SO PLEASE GO AHEAD . Otherwise let us disengage .Thanks.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
68
I AM NOT SURE ABOUT YOUR NATIONALITY AND RELIGEON ....

i am an indian ,and dont make diatribes about me being foriegn or descendent of mercenaries or oppressors.

SO NO CHOICE FOR MUSLIMS LEFT IN INDIA ?? FINE WHAT NEXT SINCE YOU ARE NOT HAPPY IN INDIA

lets say something different this time,i think people who leave us with no choice should get out of india not us,then everyone will be happy,this soil of india has our blood in it that we have shed for it time to time in the last thousand years,before you tell me to leave i will tell you to get out.

You have said after some posts hereafter thst whole Machinery of India is against Muslims......

it is ,i tell this from personal experience,since you are not a muslim you dont have these experiences.if you dont know you should have watched bbcs panorama last month.i hope it wasnt banned there.

.I HAVE BEEN THERE AND SEEN YOUR CONDITION WORLD OVER WITH THESE EYES....
i dont know what youve seen,but at no time did i feel my life or honor ala gujarat in danger here.even post 9/11.some lumpen proleteriat roaming killing and rampaging in name of identity politics.not much chance even in this stupidity.

LET US MAKE THE DIALOGUE POSITIVE....

sure but you tell this to people who viciate it first.
asadyar khan jogezai
boston, United States
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
67
""'what options you are now leaving for muslim minority now think hard. """

ASADYAR KHAN JOGEZAI

Khan Sahib what options you want to satisfy you ?? You have said after some posts hereafter thst whole Machinery of India is against Muslims.SO NO CHOICE FOR MUSLIMS LEFT IN INDIA ?? FINE WHAT NEXT SINCE YOU ARE NOT HAPPY IN INDIA ?? I AM TIME BEING DESISTING TO ASK YOU CERTAIN HARSH QUESTIONS AS I AM NOT SURE ABOUT YOUR NATIONALITY AND RELIGEON AS MANY FAKEPOSTERS ARE HERE UNDER ASSUMED IDENTITIES .
Meanwhile continue with your posts.Welcome but be little positive as 15 Crores of Muslims living in India are better informed .

BY THE WAY ARE YOU GETTING ROYAL TREATMENT IN USA ? COME ON KHAN SAHIB COOL DOWN .I HAVE BEEN THERE AND SEEN YOUR CONDITION WORLD OVER WITH THESE EYES.
LET US MAKE THE DIALOGUE POSITIVE.

a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
66
is rooted out, through terror. Is it not Islam, as an ideology, inherently fascist, since it destroyed minorities and diversity everywhere....

take out words like islam and it echoes of gujarat and your hindutva stormtroopers running a pogrom.

Look at the human horros Islam had inflicted on India. Why should not Hindus learn of the Islamic terror, in all details, so it won't happen again....

cant help your muddled analysis,nonetheless what islamic terror inflicted on india are you talking about,do you mean the turco-afghan or mughal takeover,if that is so you mean the enriching of architecture,languages literature or even culinary taste or unifying it and making it into a big political power of that time rather than a hodge podge of small feudal states as terror,you are mistaken
yes go ahead and demonise muslims. as the neo cons say now,the road to hell is paved with good intentions youre free to tread on it.

.....centers of ethnic cleansing, in non-Arabic lands? Why bomb Varanasi? Why Goghra? Why bomb India's Parliament?.....

yes .ethnic cleansing at such a large scale that india is 80% hindu to this day,

.....it will inexorably lead to zero sum cultural-spiritual equation with the Indics

so you have a franchise on some indic culture and spirituality which you slime often as having inculcated cowardice in you in the past but now is manifesting as the desi third reich with its glorious kristallnacht in naroda patiya . malegaon and now hyderabad.nice culture that one

Have you studied the history of cultures and traditions of the pre-Islamic societies?

i think you need to come to terms with history,india before advent of muslims was a parochial social and politically divided setup,if you think pre-muslim india was a place where on every nook and corner brahmins converged to derive algebraic algorithms or mendicants levitated about you are wrong.
asadyar khan jogezai
boston, United States
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
65
Iraq is also better than India in roti, kapda and makaan indicators.
chaitanya
chennai, India
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
64
"I am happy that a Country One-Sixth the Size Of India has been able to Match India all the way in the Socio-Political Area and Move Ahead Of It in Roti, Kapdaa aur Makhaan."


All one hears about Pakistan is A.Q. Khan, Osama bin Laden and Lashkar-e-taiba. Where is it all the way matching in socio-political area with India? Pakistan has a bad sense of publicising it's achievements if any. World thinks Pakistan is the next Iraq.
chaitanya
chennai, India
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
63
"since the whole establishment is inherently fascist and anti-muslim you cannot expect any action or investigation.
you know how pathetic and sick mindset of sabre rattling minority citizens is.but being a product of a feeling of impotence that too being stretched to historical past you can rattle and roll with it.
what options you are now leaving for muslim minority now think hard." ASADYAR KHAN JOGEZAI
Fascism:

It's an ideology where freedoms are extiunguished
and diversity is rooted out, through terror. Is it not Islam, as an ideology, inherently fascist, since it destroyed minorities and diversity everywhere? Why territorial aggrandizement? Who else follows a Book that openly preaches its blond followers to kill and convert the non-believers? Convert into medieval fascism where women have no equal rights? why?

Have you studied the history of cultures and traditions of the pre-Islamic societies? Why there's congenital terror, within and without, in Islam?

Why preach a book, openly, that INEVITABLY leads to the destruction of the Hindu and native traditions, in their own land? Why Pakistan? Why Bangla Desh? Look at the human horros Islam had inflicted on India. Why should not Hindus learn of the Islamic terror, in all details, so it won't happen again?

Withgout chaniging the Book, Why build mosques, centers of ethnic cleansing, in non-Arabic lands? Why bomb Varanasi? Why Goghra? Why bomb India's Parliament?

Islam is an ideology that has no place in India since it will inexorably lead to zero sum cultural-spiritual equation with the Indics


Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
62
. I shudder at thought of acquring bombs by Hindus . Consequencies will be very very bad .
ghai

yes,like amassing the whole army on the indo-pak border for nine months after parliament was attacked by pakistan based terror groups,by your favorite bjp govt.and releasing terrorists and accompanying them to kandahar if my memory serves right.bajrang dal was widely suspected in malegaon blast,but since the whole establishment is inherently fascist and anti-muslim you cannot expect any action or investigation.
you know how pathetic and sick mindset of sabre rattling minority citizens is.but being a product of a feeling of impotence that too being stretched to historical past you can rattle and roll with it.
what options you are now leaving for muslim minority now think hard.
asadyar khan jogezai
boston, United States
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
61
"""oh yes your khaki short wearing cohorts have acquired bombs now whole new ball game here.before this hyderabad incident one would have thought you fascists are going for a genetic makeover.""

ASADYAR KHAN JOGEZAI

Relax Pathan Brother -Hindus have not acuired yet the Bombs . I shudder at thought of acquring bombs by Hindus . Consequencies will be very very bad .Pray this does not happen.

Congress Ruled AP under Christian CM Reddy will soon find out.Already broad hints they are giving .NOW PLEASE TRUST CONGRESS GOVT WHICH YOU HAD VOTED IN .


a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
60
, we are hardening and a time will come, you will repent for your arrogance and stupidity.....

oh yes your khaki short wearing cohorts have acquired bombs now whole new ball game here.before this hyderabad incident one would have thought you fascists are going for a genetic makeover.
asadyar khan jogezai
boston, United States
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
59
""India is stoking the flames elsewhere, Mr. A. K. Ghai, sitting in six or more Consular Offices."'

Chacha Pak is sufficient to burn Whole of the World.Your terrorists are doing job efficiently.

Congratulations !!!
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
58
CHITRA BHEN

1 ""PMO is filled with islamist like Mr Wajahat Habibulla who openly called American intervention in kashmir to liberate it""

Wahjahat is finest officer from Kashmir -he enjoys the respect of Hardliners,UPA,NDA,Kashmiries etc.He is Muslim so what ?? Our Prez Kalam Sahib is also Muslim.

2 ""Mr Wajahat Habibulla who openly called American intervention in kashmir to liberate it""

When ??

3 "He is same guy who guided the preparation of fabricated Sacchar report and pushed muslims in defense forces.""

I too agree that Sachar Report as I feared it was a trick by UPA like Banerjje Commision to garner votes in State Elections including UP .

What is wrong to collect Datta about Muslims or Hindus or Sikhs etc ?? Datta is a tool to correct Imbalances and speed up integration.Till now Congress was following policy of keeping Muslims poorest of the poors. LET MUSLIMS JUDGE WERE THEY ARE AFTER 53 YRS OF SECUS RULE.
THEY HAVE PAID BACK CONGRESS. You should be happy.

4 You don't want Muslims in Defence Services .You want them to be with Jehadies then ??

If we followed your Logic our Prezes,CJPs,Lt.Generals should not have been Muslims ?? They did their jobs beautifully .
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
57
"They are called congenital retards, apparent as the BJP followers." MUNTAJIB KHAN

Hindus are not retards since they invented Zero, the dercimal system, numeral systems, yoga and Ayurveda, highest levels of spiritual experiments the world had known, dance, music, drama, art, lanhuages and literature.

But, you can call them cowards for allowing Islamic fanatics to kill nearly 100 million Hindus and others, destroy over 200,000 thousansd temples and dishonour their women.

In additrion, coward Hindus let the Islamic fanatic terrorists amputate India and give these thugs further "secular" rights to terrorize them, in their own land.

This will come to a stop, very soon
Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
56
Some news are making round that muslims were making bombs in Mecca masjid to use against hindus and accidently it went off. Now UPA government is trying to cover the whole episode because their muslim voters would be exposed.

The people who are demanding CBI enquiry will not be helpful because we know that UPA govt is muslim terrorists friendly and truths will never come up.
PMO is filled with islamist like Mr Wajahat Habibulla who openly called American intervention in kashmir to liberate it. He is same guy who guided the preparation of fabricated Sacchar report and pushed muslims in defense forces.
Reports came out that muslim terrorists have penetrated our defense under the instruction of PMO and UPA. Air Force is already conducting some investigation. Our national security has become vulnerable due to large number of presence of muslims thanks to secular congress/commies.

The people who are saying that all muslims are terrorists should correct their statements. Majority or almost all terrorists are muslims should be the correct statements.
There are some good muslims but their numbers are almost negligible. Like GHULAM Y FARUKI is a good musalmaan.
The UPA government has come to the power on the basis of Muslim votes who unfortunately wants to convert our country into an Islamic India. UPA is already working on this hidden agenda. Congress/Commies have shown the dreams of an islamic india to muslims once again.
Bali in Indonesia, Uighur in China, Chechenya in Russia, and of course in India islamic terrorism have taken the toll of lakhs of innocent non-muslims.

Wherever muslims crosses 23% of population they demand separate islamic nation.

India is the most dangerous place from islamic terrorism standpoint. Hubli in Karnataka, Hyderabad in AP, Fucklund road in Bombay, Maulavi Ganj/Hajarat Gang in UP, AMU and Deoband in UP, Muffrapur in Bihar, Ahmedabad and Baroda in Gujarat, Marad in Kerala are some of the dangerous muslim dominated places where riots can start on the drop of the hats.
In fact india has more than thousands of muslim dominated localities which are ticking time bombs.
Even police are scared to enter these places. In the aftermath of Gujarat riots when police went to arrest muslim criminals then these criminals beaten up police and dragged them openly in their localities. Shameless secular media and foreign paid anti-hindu NGOs never talk about such incidence wherever hindus are victims.
Chitralekha
Panipat, India
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
55
Mall/Minu,

>> we are talking about people who surrender their brains to the Mullahs at birth.

How about you who had no brains at birth?
GHULAM Y FARUKI
NEW YORK UNITED STATES
10:58:05AM (IST)

They are called congenital retards, apparent as the BJP followers.
Muntajib Khan
Aurangabad, India
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
54
>> The job of intelligence officials is to make infereces based on data, past experiences, trends etc.

But not on past speculations.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
53
faruki,
Welcome back. Did you notice that Raman is making evaluations without having any information?

Well, lets take a step backwards. The job of intelligence officials is to make infereces based on data, past experiences, trends etc.

So if there was ready made "information", then there is no need for intelligence work per say.

And besides, even if he had the info, I dont expect him to lay it out on a public portal.
bhushan
richmond, United States
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
52
Vinod,

>> As long as there are criminals like Ghualam Farukis and Josephs there will be Vinods and Fairsystems.

Just posted this to expose your mentality.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 20, 2007 12:00 AM
51
>> a globally renoened spiritual teacher talked og 80 million Hindus heving been kiied the Islamic conquest of India between the 13th and the 17th centuries-not counting the Buddhists and their lay followers, who could easily be close to 20 million.

Inventions of revisionist pseudo-history.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
50
Mall/Minu,

>> Please do not waste your time on anyone else either.

If you think all posters here are snakes like you, you are more stupid than I thought.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
49
Vinod,

>> Fairsystem,you have come more fairer than ever.you got it right.

Why do we need C.I.D. at all? We can let Vinod and Fairsystem come up with the answers. In fact, at times it seems that even our C.I.D. departments consist mostly of Vinods and Fairsystems!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
48
It's confirmed now. People who are ready to accuse Hindu outfits at slight pretext have spit on their faces now. Hindu are just not capable to do such things. Only barbaric mullahs do such things.



http://timesofindia.ind...articleshow/2061745.cms


True Indian
,,, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
47
MALL:

Send an email where I can forward Swami Vivekananda's Chicago speech, tape-recorded 114 years ago! You can send it to others
Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
46
""When you stoke fires sitting in Afghanistan?. ""

Karjai,USA,WORLD blames Pak for rearing again and sustaining Queda and Talibans NOT INDIA.


a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
45
"Here we are talking about people who surrender their brains to the Mullahs at birth and then start believing children are thrown from Heaven by Allah and when they cant feed them,instead of running to Allah they want kafir Sachar to help them.They also believe that 9/11 and other terrorists are enjoying virgins in heaven and mother teresa and our own hero manjunath is burning in hell." MALL

MALL:

Belief system is one thing and acting on it, however, criminal, is quite another. Religions (ideologies based on faith) killed mre people than any other disease. This is the crux of the issue. If people are WILLING TO DIE so they can kill more, indiscriminately, how do you stop it-to protect ALL
Yesterday, I heard at as a globally renoened spiritual teacher talked og 80 million Hindus heving been kiied the Islamic conquest of India between the 13th and the 17th centuries-not counting the Buddhists and their lay followers, who could easily be close to 20 million. Not included were the forced conversions.

This requires a superhuman effort so Hindus can unite and prepare a vision, a mission statement, and multiple strategies and DAILY plans of action-exceting these goals and tasks. ANGER has no place in this. Passion-yes, fervour-yes. But definitely no ANGER. ANGER is a dangerous ENEMY,

Based on that their ancestors were killed in tens of millions, Hindus simply don't want that to be repeated. Since Pakistan-Bangla Desh were separated on the basis of religion, Islam shall not be allowed to grow in India-CONSTITUTIONALLY and LEGALLY.

This is a fair and a just demand-almost ALL Hindus can and should be united-based on a simple referendum. A Political party for achieving this ONE survival-objective to be formed-and win through anti-terrorist means-but always prepared for self defence. This includes 100% fool-proof anti-terror measures, preventive measures, carrot and stick policies for maintaining population balance-and enforcing rights of children and women so they are free from indoctrination of hateful ideologies.

Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
44
Sorry for the typos-posted in a minute
Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
43
""isnt it a bit odd that while the atackers in case of temples and other places are apprehended within hours, or days, but those responsible for attack on mosques are not? Or am I being unnecessarily inquisitive? ""

SALMAN KUREISHY

No attacker till date arrested within hours or days. Andhra is under Cogressi Chritian CM .Trust him and give some days.

a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
42
But Ramn has not answered one vital question.Where do all the bombs Bajran Dal makes end?Why should they make and for what purpose?Why is the Maharashtra police are silent on this when two Bajrang Dal workers died while making the bomb?During BJP rule at the centre a bomb exploded in the house of Uma Bharathi and the CBI enquiry showed that it was not planted but the one kept there!The whole matter was hushedup.Do you have any answers to this Mr Raman?Or you too are hiding something as part of the RSS plan?
nasar
Raleigh, USA
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
41
Malegaon blasts -some facts be remebered before Quoting:
Congi and Pawar Sarkar's Police rather SPECIAL INVESTIGATING TEAM compeleted the Malegaon Blasts Investigations.Charge Sheet Filled by Police.
IMMEDIATELY THE CASE WAS TAKEN away BY SECUS AT DELHI FROM POLICE AND HANDED OVER TO CBI .

THE CASE RESTS THERE. Unfortunately all the persons so charged were Muslims who pointed to Pak's LET involvement .

Hence saying that Malegaon case not investigated and facts not before us is either a mistake or else ?

Why the Govt took away case from Maharashtra police -becuse the Muslim Political leaders openly said Muslims were feeling Humilated and Insulted by arrests of only Muslims .Even Teesta and ilk were adament it were Hindus.

Now we can say "Innocent till proved Guilty in a COURT" BUT THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN TILL THE GOVT WATER DOWNS THE EVIDENCE AND JUDGE CO-OPERATES

WISDOM IS LET THE CASE SLEEP so that tempers cool down .Because in their stupidity Secus have made a case of Muslim Act.NO FRIENDS IT WAS THE ACT BY TERRORISTS WHO HAVE NO RELIGEON.INNOCENT MUSLIMS WERE TARGETS LIKE HYDERABD.

However I maitain that in Hyderabad we can't blame any body and let us not Point Fingers on Hindus or Muslims .Because non of them is involved .It is action of Terorists who haveno religeon.By blaming one or other we are actually doing the job of Terroists .

a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
40
""Go back to 1946-1951, Mr. Guru, and you will find countless cases of wheh Hindus Planted Bombs and Killed Mercilessly.

JOSEPH ""'

Oldie plain usual lies .You will now dug out some obscure site and quote.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
39
Assuming Mr Raman is correct in his deductions about involvement of LeT and such groups, isnt it a bit odd that while the atackers in case of temples and other places are apprehended within hours, or days, but those responsible for attack on mosques are not? Or am I being unnecessarily inquisitive?
Salman Kureishy
Dubai, U.A.E
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
38
Ghulam,

I know its a waste of time because you have nothing to say.. When the evidence and proof is staring right at you and you continue to indulge yourself by denying its very existence, what you can you say? And even if you say something, its a sheer waste.

This is the problem with you and your ilk. when you have nothign to say you run away. like cowards and try to sneak back at the first available opportunity to start uttering inanities.

I pity you..
fairsystem
Bangalore, India
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
37
>> So please enlighten us with your great knowledge, Ghulam.

I wouldn't waste my time on you, Fairsystem. Bye.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
36
Ghulam,

Also enlighten us where is the delusion and paranoia in this? Infact you and your ilk suffer from this than anybody else.

Delusion = repeatedly blaming others for the terrorist act of jihadi muslims. Example 9/11 when it was blamed on jeww.

Paranoia = thinking that everybody is agains muslims of the world, diggin up past to justify the present day terrorist activities...

Grow up... its high time.
fairsystem
Bangalore, India
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
35
So please enlighten us with your great knowledge, Ghulam!!!

Like I told you earlier, had there been even a shred of evidence against BJP, BD, VHP etc, I am sure Samuel Reddy would have gone against them hammer and tongs. I am sure Barkhas and Rajdeeps of this world would have splashed this news 24/7 across their channels. I am sure Arundhatis and Medhas of the world would have staged a protest against Hindu Fundamentalists..

But one small complication. All the evidence seems to be pointing towards the muslims and not against anybody else. So how do you manage to tackle this inconvenient factor???

Give it a spin? Let the matter die on its own with out proper investigation?

Wise man with brains (mortgaged to mullahs for a place in the heaven with virgins), please answer....
fairsystem
Bangalore, India
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
34
Fairsystem,

>> A normal person with an iota of intelligence left in him would see the facts clearly.

Is that why you and your friend Mall/Minu cannot distinguish between fact and fiction and dwell in your world of delusions and paranoia?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
33
INDUSTRIAL ACCIDENT.
Narayan
Amsterdam, Netherlands
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
32
Fairsystem,

>> News is all around the town Police sources have told they suspect the involvement of an organisation called the Harkat-ul-Jehad.

We have been through these cycles many times before. You can expect more of these stories for the next 2 or 3 weeks.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
31
And Ghulam,

It was no surprise that Mall/Minu called you and your ilk as the ones who surrender their brains to the mullahs at birth.

A normal person with an iota of intelligence left in him would see the facts clearly. But you guys? You try to find conspiracies where there are none, like the 9/11 episode. You guys want to live in a make believe world where muslims are the most innocent despite the fact that ALL terrorist activities tody in the world are carried out by jihadis.

What more to say of your stupidity?
fairsystem
Bangalore, India
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
30
Ghulam,

News is all around the town

Police sources have told they suspect the involvement of an organisation called the Harkat-ul-Jehad in the Mecca Masjid blast in Old Hyderabad on Friday in which 14 people were killed and 35 injured. They say the SIM card they recovered from the cell phone which was used to trigger the blast, is in the name of a man called Bilal who they say is a member of the Harkat-ul-Jehad.

In couple of other channels, it was also reported that SIMI's hand is also seen in the blast.

Now let us understand one thing. AP has a congie CM who hates VHP, Bajarang Dal, BJP etc. Had there been even a sliver of evidence pointing fingers towards these organisations, rest assured he would have gone and exploited that to the core. The fact that the police are naming two muslim organisations behind the blasts, in a congress ruled state must be like a blow on your face.

Right?
fairsystem
Bangalore, India
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
29
Mall/Minu,

>> we are talking about people who surrender their brains to the Mullahs at birth.

How about you who had no brains at birth?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
28
Guru,

>> ...you and your muslim brothers are in a state of denial...

You and your ilk just know how to hate, hate, hate. My last post in this silly thread.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
27
Pakistan based LET's main objective in India is to generate bitter hatredness and enmity between the muslims and the Hindus in our country and to achieve that objective, they are even prepared to commit heinous crimes against their own community like the one that happened in Hyderabad and put the blame on the Hindus so as to turn the wrath of the muslims on them with eventual carnage to follow. Unless and until the LET is liquidated, our country can not be free from foreign instigated communal riots. To defeat the evil and un-islamic purpose of that loathsome militant organisation, the State government should nab the culprits involved in this case at the earliest and bring them to justice to remove any suspicion among the muslim community.
T.Sathyamurthi
Folsom, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
26
Muslim terrorst groups like Lashkar or Let may want to spread anger among local muslims against the Indian Government and what better way than of killing a few muslims to achieve a greater object? The Hyderabadi or Malegaon muslims must introspect why always their Friday prayers are targetted? The Indian muslims have become a pawn in the hands of international Islamic terrorists.
pear
mumbai, India
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
25
Unsubstantiated allegations about who did it are wrong irrespective of which side makes them.

The fact that "we have been telling" that Muslim extremists are responsible for Malegaon or Samzota express, does not mean a damn thing. You can keep saying it until your faces are blue, but the only thing that counts is incontrovertible evidence. You would say that Congress does not investigate fully because it does not want to upset the minority. Muslims would say that Congress does not investigate fully because it does not want to upset the majority. Neither side has the corner on the truth.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
24
>> They could have been the works of either Hindus or Muslims.

True. But have you forgotten that two ministers in the Central govt (Arjun Singh and A.R. Antulay) suggested that Hindu groups might have been involved, again without any evidence.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
23
>> Did you notice that Raman is making evaluations without having any information?

Surely it has happened the first time. I'm sure the secularists holding the Parivar responsible for the blasts in Karnataka and rape of some nuns in Jhabua (which were later traced to a Muslim sect and some Christians respectively), without a shred of evidence can be explained somehow. Raman must be accused of being irrational though.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
22
Bhushan,

>> evaluation of intelligence should be left to those familiar with the business.

Welcome back. Did you notice that Raman is making evaluations without having any information?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
21
Guru,

>> quote me one incidence where hindu groups planted bombs and resulted in terrorist or anti-indian activities?

Do you mean anti-Muslim activities? Well, the Malegaon case, the samzota train case and now the Hyderabad case are still unsolved, aren't they? They could have been the works of either Hindus or Muslims. You are the one who is jumping to conclusions, revealing either your stupidity or your malevolence.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
20
faruki, a bit of ur own advice for u.

just like you pointed out that evaluation of arts should be left to the experts, evaluation of intelligence should be left to those familiar with the business. i will have more faith in raman's assessments than yours, anyday.

your stand has almost always been something like "islamic world needs to modernise, but will come only with time.. let time take its course" while "the hindu world should right away take the bajrangis to task (which i agree should be done..)"

some fair logic.
bhushan
richmond, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
19
An erudite and incisive piece as usual by Raman ji. However, I beg to disagree on one sentence in your piece. Sir! You have mentioned retaliatory killings by Shias and Sunnis (read Wahhabis in all the cases where the word Sunni is used) in Pakistan and Iraq. In Pakistan, the 75-80% Sunnis have been consistently killing the 20-25% Shias since the times of Zia Ul Haq, the patron saint of Wahhabism, and the Saudi,s hand maiden for nefarious activities.As regards Iraq, the 20% Sunnis under Saddam located in arid areas ruled the 65% Shias in the oil rich areas with an iron hand not even allowing them to observe their rituals peacefully, and eliminating their religious and political leaders.Even after Saddam was overthrown and the Shias rightfully won the elections, they played fair and invited the Sunnis to be part of the government to which the Sunni response was bomb attacks and killings of Shias personified by Zarqawi, the Al Qaeda, etc.It was only after the Al Qaeda blew the tomb of the reverred Shia saint in Samarra on February 22nd,2006 that the Shias began to retaliate in a limited way, and even to this date, the Sunnis are planting bombs and killing innocent civilians in Shia dominated areas. Sir! the word, Islamic fundamentalism is a misnomer. It is Wahhabi fundamentalism which is based in and financed by the Saudis with the Pakistanis actually performing the dirty work - refer 9/11, 7/7,Kashmir, the humiliating way in which our then Foreign Minister Shri Jaswant Singh had to go to Kandahar to release our innocent compatriots...the list is endless. Unless the Saudis are reined in by the world, everyone - some sooner and some alter will be affected by their sinful ideology. The Shia and Sunni differences are minimal and they have lived in peace,inter married and socialized from centuries. It is the advent of the poisonous Wahhabism from Saudi on the back of their not worked for petro dollars that have caused this world wide upheavel, not only among Shias and Sunnis but between Islam (read Wahabbism) and everyone else too.
Azeem Taqi
Nashville, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
18
BTW, the Nanded bomb blasts occured before Malegaon and the Samzota train blasts.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
17
Varun,

>> "The VHP has no history of bomb blasts, so they are not a suspect, let alone a prime suspect."


http://www.mid-day.com/...n/2006/april/134896.htm
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
16
Iranian Foreign minister reacted to the Hyderabad incident saying it is a barbaric act done by enemies of Islam and Muslims will stay together no matter what. I am sure he has more clue about the bomb blast than Indian foreign minister.
chaitanya
chennai, India
May 19, 2007 12:00 AM
15
These blasts are definitely by the Islamic terrorists, as in Iraq
Aaron
Sydney, Australia
May 18, 2007 12:00 AM
14
TO ALL Freinds here;

1 First of all We must condmn this Barbaric act.That is our first responsibility as it has happened against Indians .

2 Attack was meant to flare up communal riots.

3 Similar attacks happened im Malegaon Mumbai ,Samjhota Exp etc.

4 Now from to-morrow onwards supporters of these Terrorists will start campaign blaming Hindutvaies or Simmi etc.

5 Police,terror Experts ,Editors.Politicians etc will give their opinions soon which will not help us.
We too are slowly hardening our attitudes here in this Forum.Under confusion we have started refering obliqely to our pet respective hate dart Boards.

Listen BROTHERS LOUD AND CLEAR THIS IS AN ACT OF TERRISTS AND THEY HAVE NO RELIGEON.
I MUST REMIND FREINDS IN HIGH AND ANGRY PITCH -SAME TERRORIST WHOSE RIGHT WE WERE FIGHTING FOR .

6 WHAT I SAY NOW MAY HURT MUSLIM or Hindus FRIENDS HERE BUT if so PLEASE forgive me but do consider it what I say .

In Panjab insurgency a time arrived when Sikhs realised that Terrorists had started killing Sikhs too. Thereafter Khalistani terrorists were fingered at and Punjab Commandoes liquidated them . Within 8 weeks 520 weeks old insurgency died .REPEAT WITHIN 8 WEEKS 520 WEEKS OLD INSURGENCY DIED DOWN.

SAME STORY will soon repeat IN KASHMIR TOO.

Now question arises should we wait till we reach at peak of Terror or better finish it now itself ?? FOR THIS WE WILL REQUIRE THE HELP OF BOTH MUSLIMS AND HINDUS .

We have to finger out sleeper cells of Jehadies and liquidate them.Hindus if involved will get eliminated too .

NO MORE IF AND BUTS .WE HAVE TO LIQUIDATE ENIMIES OF THE COUNTRY.

a k ghai
mumbai, India
May 18, 2007 12:00 AM
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When incidents like this take place, the normal thing to do is look at history and motive. Islamic terrorists do these things out of either sectarian hatred( Sunni-Shia) or a desire to create riots, or even to specifically attack Indians of any religious persuasion. The VHP has no history of bomb blasts, so they are not a suspect, let alone a prime suspect. The VHP's style is street fighting and mobilising around certain issues like Ayodhya. Bomb blasts? Forget it- not even once. But bomb blasts are a staple in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Algeria and in India Islamic militants.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
May 18, 2007 12:00 AM
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Vinod,

You say, "who did it is not important now.", but then the rest of your post is pure anti-Muslim harangue. Facts and evidence do not seem to matter to most posters here, and why should they, because no one is going to find them.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 18, 2007 12:00 AM
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Hyderabad,Where I lived for 30years, is a very sensitive city. Normally Muslims and Hindus there live in peace and amity. I had more muslim friends there than from my own faith. When I had to face any difficulty, always they were the ones to share it with me. I only wish and pray God that patience would prevail among the citizens of Hyderabad till the real culprit is brought to justice. They should not allow any mischief mongers to seize this incident for starting any communal violence.
T.Sathyamurthi
Folsom, United States
May 18, 2007 12:00 AM
10
Vinod,

>> you have started contradicting an experts view.

Neither Raman, nor you, nor I know who did it. If a so called expert starts planting imbalanced stories, it should be a matter of concern to all of us. Soon these planted insinuations will become "facts" in the minds of those inclined to believe them.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 18, 2007 12:00 AM
9
This was an horrible act and the killers must be punished whoever they are. But I am also sure nothing will come out of the investigation-unless it can be established that the VHP or bajrang dal had a hand on it.

I pity the police who will be investigating the crime-given the experience we had with the bombay train blasts. If there is a slight doubt that Pak had a hand in the blasts, it would be prudent to stop the investigation then and there. I dont want to see another sorry spectacle where the police says Pak had a hand in the blast, then the NSA comes out and directly contradicts him in order to save the "peace" process. I would rather prefer the investigation dead.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
May 18, 2007 12:00 AM
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Raman says, "It would be premature to say anything definitively regarding the likely identity of the perpetrators, their organisational affiliation, if any, and their motive." Then he goes on in the rest of the article pointing his finger only at Muslims, deriving spurious support from unproven allegations in past such episodes.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
May 18, 2007 12:00 AM
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It may be the work of TRS to divert attention from that passport muddle. Or TDP also must be feeling that the time is running out and it has to do something dramatic. Or the naxals.
pear
mumbai, India
May 18, 2007 12:00 AM
6
hitting at police is a form of peaceful protest that muslims adhere to :-) Be content that they didn't express their nonviolent protest by killing a few police guys. Injuring police is peaceful protest.
chaitanya
chennai, India
May 18, 2007 12:00 AM
5
Local talk is mullahs were preparing the devices and they went off accidentally. Some of them include the illegal Bangladeshi immigrants whom Samuel Reddy the AP CM arranged for stay in Hyderabad old city as a vote bank. Fearing that the blasts will reveal the facts about illegal Bangladeshi's, Samuel Reddy rushed from Delhi and ordered a total clamp down before it exposes his hand in illegal immigration.

As for the p-sec media, the real culprit, they talk about a conspiracy to disturb communal harmony. They are working very hard to cover the role of mullahs in the blasts.
True Indian
,,, United States
May 18, 2007 12:00 AM
4
Why should the muslims start pelting stones on the police?
pankaj
kgp, India
May 18, 2007 12:00 AM
3
realy late 1980's in previous post.
chaitanya
chennai, India
May 18, 2007 12:00 AM
2
One thing might come out of this incident. Muslims will drift away from congress in hordes in the next elections. There was a time when opponents of chenna reddy, then CM in late 1970's, made sure that he step down from office because of communal riots at that time. The riots stopped abruptly when N. Janardhan Reddy took oath as CM. So this incident might as well be a job of factions in congress itself. But there was only congress party then. Now there are options like TDP.
chaitanya
chennai, India
May 18, 2007 12:00 AM
1
Raman has a vivid imagination about Wahabi cult wanting to intimidate Indian Muslims, but i think the blast in Hyderabad might be related to sikh and dera fight in North. Congress rules in AP, SAD and BJP in Punjab. So the incident might be a diversionar ploy to defuse the situation in Punjab which might boomerang if Congress persists like it did decades ago. The Muslims of Hyderabad have shown in many previous instances their radical attitudes. Even the muslims who came out of mosque after this incident started pelting stones at police(who came to control the situation) at the first given chance. They just don't identify with indian nationhood.
chaitanya
chennai, India
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