Muharram
The Spirit Of Karbala
How much do we know about Muharram, the first month of the Islamic calendar (this year, January 20 - February 18)? Must it not be a time to reflect on the oppression being done around us—by us as well as by others—to those who are different and helpless?
This is the revised text of a talk —'Talking about Muharram' — given at Chicago in Muharram 1998 before a group of concerned young Muslims who call themselves South Asian-American Professionals (SAMP). It is heartening to note now that it is not the only association of its kind in the United States. The horrific sectarian violence that rages in Pakistan and Afghanistan and has reached its worst form in Iraq impelled me to revise and share these remarks now.

When I accepted your kind invitation, I had no intention of going into the 'facts' of Muharram—the whys and wherefores of the martyrdom at Karbala. I did not feel any useful purpose would be served by re-hashing the political/theological issues that for centuries have engaged historians and rogues alike. Arguments on 'facts' only too often lead to sectarian conflict, particularly in South Asia. I was going to stick to the cultural and literary aspects of Muharram. However, as I began to prepare my remarks, my mind gradually changed, influenced by what was happening around me. I had not been unaware of the long-enduring tensions between the Shi'ahs and the Sunnis in South Asia, which have resulted in recent years in some most horrific incidents in Pakistan. But what really triggered the shift was a different recent incident, as I shall explain in conclusion. The bulk of my remarks will be in two parts. In the first, I briefly offer my own narrative of the events that led to the tragedy at Karbala; in the second, I present the way some important Urdu writers idealize Imam Husain, perceiving in his martyrdom the optimum expression of human courage and virtue.

Muharram is the first month of the Islamic calendar, and its first day should be a day of rejoicing for Muslims. The advent of Muharram in the pre-Islamic days marked a period of peace, bringing a temporary closure to internecine warfare among the tribes of Arabia. Presumably it was also a time for celebration and joy. But now, for devout Muslims, Muharram is the month for a profoundly sombre engagement with what happened at Karbala—in present-day Iraq—on the tenth day of the 61st year of Hijra (10 October 680 CE). On that day, barely fifty years after the Prophet Muhammad's death, his beloved grandson, Husain, was killed on the battlefield, together with several members of his own family, and the killers were none other than some members of the Prophet's own ummah, the community of the Faithful.

Just before the Prophet's death in 632 CE at Madinah, the dín (religion) named Islam had been explicitly declared 'complete' in a divine revelation, but the shape that the polity of the Faithful was expected to take after his death was left undefined. Who was to succeed the Prophet within the newly formed and constantly expanding community of the Believers, not in his prophetic role, for that ended with him, but as his khalífa, his representative or viceroy, in worldly affairs? The Prophet had brought together the tribally divided people of Arabia into a single polity, whose binding power lay as much in his own person as in the shared faith in Allah. Now that his person was going to be no more, would the faith in One God be enough to hold all the Faithful together?

Soon after the Prophet breathed his last, and even before his body could be prepared for burial, a group of Ansars, the original people of Madinah, met and started discussing as to who should be the new amír,'the commander.' They discussed names only from among themselves. When the word reached the Mosque of the Prophet, Umar and Abu Bakr rushed over to the meeting place, and presented a counter-claim as exclusive in nature. They privileged the people from Mecca as those who had been the longest in Islam, and thus closest to the Prophet. Their argument won the day when Umar offered his hand in allegiance to Abu Bakr, and the leader of one of the Ansar factions followed suit. The small ad hoc gathering of a few prominent figures in Madinah ended with Abu Bakr's elevation as the first Caliph and 'Commander' of all Muslims. Notably absent at the meeting was Ali, the Prophet's nephew and son-in-law, who claimed to have been the first male to accept Islam. Soon, most of the people then present in Madinah offered Abu Bakr their allegiance. Ali, however, did not do so, nor did a number of other people, including a prominent Ansar. The important thing for us to note is that those who refused to sign up in Madinah—the first 'refuseniks' in Islam—were left alone. Any dissenter elsewhere met a different fate. Two simultaneously-waged processes marked the first caliph's brief rule of two years: a highly centralized consolidation of Muslim temporal authority, and the suppression of an assortment of political and religious breakaways in other places.

Abu Bakr, on his deathbed, obtained oaths of allegiance and loyalty—from only a select cohort of prominent people in Madinah—in favour of the person of his choice, who subsequently turned out to be Umar. During the second caliph's rule, the temporal authority of Madinah spread far into what earlier had been two powerful empires, the Byzantine and the Persian, bringing under the rule of the Arabs a variety of other people, who had political and social traditions quite different from the Arabs.

Umar was assassinated. Before he died he nominated six select 'Companions of the Prophet,' including Ali and Usman, to choose a person from among themselves. This time Ali made his claim known, but the person appointed by the group to make the decisive choice named Usman as the third caliph.

During Usman's rule, Arab/Muslim armies further extended the borders of the Madinan state, but there also occurred (1) the rise to prominence of several members of Usman's own clan, and (2) an increasing rift between Damascus and Kufa, the eastern and western regional centers of political power. Usman was killed in his house by his political opponents, many of whom then swore allegiance to Ali, who eventually also obtained the support of some other factions.

The barely five years of Ali's rule were filled with turmoil. He had to do battle with those who felt he had failed to seek sufficient revenge from the assassins of the third caliph, and then also with those who felt he had not been resolute enough against his opponents' demands. While Ali moved from Madinah to Kufa in Iraq, where lay most of his support, Mu'awiyah, the governor in Damascus, not only expanded his power into Egypt but also set himself up as a rival caliph. Thus for some months, there were two Muslim caliphs, each separately acknowledged by factions within the Faithfuls.

Ali too died at an assassin's hands. Some of Ali's supporters wanted his eldest son Hasan to make a claim, but Hasan withdrew in favour of Mu'awiyah, received a generous annuity in return, and retired to live in luxury in Madinah, where he died of poisoning.

That brings us to the year 661 AD, barely thirty years since the Prophet's death. And a pause for some retrospection would be useful. During those years, three Muslim caliphs were assassinated—two by Muslims themselves, and one by a Christian slave—and countless other Muslims had died violent deaths at the hands of other Muslims. Meanwhile the Muslim/Arab state had ceaselessly spread over the entire Arabian Peninsula, across the Nile delta in the west, to the borders of Anatolia and Armenia in the north, and all the way to the eastern borders of present day Iran in the east. In merely three decades it had become an imperial power of a size that dwarfed all previous imperial powers in human history.

The preceding narrative was not to cast aspersion on extraordinary individuals. They had acted in the spirit of their times, and quite often for what they saw as a selfless cause. What I wished to bring to your attention is the trajectory—as I see it—taken by the consequence of their actions: the emergence of a despotic polity, in which no systemic allowance was made to accommodate political dissension or opposition. It was a polity wherein a litany—'Obey God, obey the Prophet, and obey those who hold command over you'—became the governing principle.

Later, a vast majority of Muslims down the centuries began to refer to the reign of the first four caliphs as the period of the rashidun, the 'rightly-guided' caliphs. That descriptive phrase, to my mind, was a useful device. It saved Muslims from making rigidly factional decisions about the four elder statesmen, about one being exclusively right compared to another. And as such, it also served them as a psychological crutch, a way for their collective self to protect itself from being overwhelmed by a specific past that should have been anything but so bloodstained. That so many of the elders, all 'Companions of the Prophet,' disagreed, fought, and killed each other over issues related to temporal power had to be somehow reconciled with the natural urge of the larger community to get on with life more peaceably. And so the first four caliphs and their actions were declared to be 'rightly guided' by God, who alone judged what they did and who alone knew why they did it. It was not for the posterity to say who was right and who was wrong. That they were declared to be 'rightly guided' also implied, I would assert, that they were not necessarily always 'rightly guiding.' In other words, the Muslims' natural desire to honor those elders did not inevitably require regarding the time of those elders as 'the best of days,' and a model for all times. Perniciously, that exactly is what happened, and only because it was also the time when an Arab imperium emerged. The period of the temporal rise of the Arabs—a people—came to be known as the exemplary years of Islam—a faith.

Returning to our historical narrative, Mu'awiyah, the parallel caliph, not only further expanded the Arab empire, but by nominating his son Yazid as his rightful successor he also set the precedent for hereditary rule in Islam. The caliphate that began as the exclusive privilege of the people of a particular place and tribe now became more narrowly confined to just one family.

Mu'awiyah, during his life, made sure of Yazid's succession by obtaining declarations of allegiance to Yazid from various parts of the empire. However, at his death, some resistance to Yazid's claim appeared in both Madinah and Kufa. The resistance eventually consolidated itself around the person of Husain, son of Ali, who left Madinah for Kufa, expecting support from the former allies of his father. Yazid's forces, however, easily put an end to Husain's Kufan support while the latter was still on the way. Thus it was that with only a small number of supporters Husain had to face a far larger imperial force at Karbala. When his opponents demanded that he should immediately surrender, and formally swear allegiance to Yazid, Husain countered with three options. He asked that they should allow him to return to Madinah and a life of quietude, let him proceed to some frontier of the Islamic/Arab Empire and fight there for Islam's cause, or, as the last resort, take him to Yazid so that he could put the matter directly before him. Some say that Husain's opponents refused to budge from their position and launched an attack, while other traditions claim that some members of his own party, seeking to avenge the murder at Kufa of one of their kinsmen, precipitated the battle. In any case, the end was swift. Husain and those of his companions who took part in the battle were killed; the surviving women and children, and the sick were first taken to Damascus, and then sent back to Madinah. The dynastic rule launched by Mu'awiyah and Yazid continued for several decades, only to be replaced by an endless series of dynastic rules and a more imperious caliphate—all now forgotten except by the specialists. On the other hand, the deaths of Husain and his companions are mourned every year by millions of people worldwide, and their lives are still regarded exemplary by many more.

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What is there in that brief and tragic stand taken by Husain at Karbala that has so gripped the hearts and minds of countless generations of Muslims? There are of course those who are known as the Shi'ahs, the partisans of Ali, who believe that Ali had been the Prophet's chosen successor, and who also believe in the concept of Imamate, which they consider to be exclusive to the male descendents of Ali through Husain. For them, of course, Husain is and should be a luminescent figure. But why should it be true also for the non-Shi'ahs, particularly after so many centuries, and even after so much sectarian accretion around the events? I find some answers in the imaginative literature I know most about, for literature arises out of the power of the metaphor, and its simple words often stand for complexities of thoughts and actions that most of us may find almost ineffable.

Muhammad Ali (d. 1931), a prominent leader of the anti-colonial movement in India and the most important leader of the so-called Khilafat Movement in the Twenties, is also famous for a couplet which he wrote while he was a political prisoner. It has since become proverbial in Urdu.

qatl-i husain asl meñ marg-i yazíd hai
islám zinda hotá hai har karbalá ke bád

Husain's murder is in fact Yazid's [own] death;
[For] Islam comes alive again after every Karbala.

For Muhammad Ali and millions of his compatriots, Husain stood for Truth and Freedom, and Yazid for everything opposite. In their view, every Yazid was bound to lose finally, even if he appeared to succeed for the moment. And Husain's name invoked a sense of hope among those who were confident only in the righteousness of their cause. But we should not ignore the words that the poet used: it is Islam that comes to life again after every Karbala.

What was the Islam that Husain symbolized for the Indian poet/politician? Here we can do no better than to seek guidance from a greater poet, Muhammad Iqbal (d. 1938), from a section in his poem, Rumúz-i Bekhudí, 'The Mysteries of Selflessness.' The section is titled, 'Concerning Muslim Freedom [hurriya], and the Secret of the Tragedy of Karbala.' After briefly setting up an opposition between Passion and Reason—one bold, the other crafty, one empyrean in flight, the other earthbound—the poet goes on to declare:

'I would speak
Of that great leader of all men who love
Truly the Lord, that upright cypress-tree
Of the Apostle's garden, Ali's son,
Whose father led the sacrificial feast
That he might prove a mighty offering;
And for that prince of the best race of men
The Last of the Apostles gave his back
To ride upon, a camel passing fair. .........

Moses and Pharaoh, Shabbir and Yazid—
From Life [hayát] spring these conflicting potencies;
Truth lives in Shabbir's strength; Untruth is that
Fierce, final anguish of regretful death.
And when Caliphate first snapped its thread
From the Koran, in Freedom's throat was poured
A fatal poison; like a rain-charged cloud
The effulgence of the best of peoples rose
Out of the West, to spill on Karbala,
And in that soil, that desert was before,
Sowed, as he died, a field of tulip blood.
There, till the Resurrection, tyranny
Was evermore cut off; a garden fair immortalizes where his lifeblood surged.'

Iqbal then goes on to call Husain 'the edifice of La Ilaha, of faith in God's pure Unity,' echoing a quatrain ascribed to Mu'inuddin Chishti of Ajmer (d. 1325), the pivotal sufi saint of South Asia. Had Husain been pursuing a selfish goal, Iqbal continues, he would not have provisioned himself the way he did—his sword was for the glory of the Faith, and he unsheathed it only to defend the Law. The poet concludes by saying:

'Though Damascus' might, Baghdad's splendour
and Granada's majesty have all vanished, all lost to mind,
Yet still vibrate the strings Husain struck within our soul,
for still ever new our faith abides in his cry: Allahu Akbar.'

For Iqbal, Husain epitomizes the original mission of Islam, which, as he puts it, was 'to found Freedom, Equality and Brotherhood among all Mankind.' Those who oppose these goals belong to Yazid's ranks, while those who strive to bring them about stand tall beside Husain.

Munshi Prem Chand (d. 1936), a Hindu, is considered one of the foremost writers of prose fiction in both Hindi and Urdu. His only play, Karbala, was written during the time when after the collapse of the Khilafat Movement in India much communal enmity had erupted between Hindus and Muslims. Using the lore and legend of a very small Hindu community known as the Mohyals (also often called the 'Husaini Brahmins'), he placed a group of Hindu warriors in southern Hejaz, who, upon hearing the news of Husain's opposition to the despotic rule of Yazid, rush to Karbala and die fighting on Husain's behalf. The Hindu party, led by Raja Sahas Rai, arrives at the battlefield just when Husain and his few remaining companions begin their obligatory afternoon prayers. The Hindus immediately take up defensive positions, and shield the praying Muslims from their enemy's arrows. After the prayers, Husain speaks:

Husain: 'My dear friends who share my grief, these prayers will ever be remembered in Islam's history. We couldn't have completed them without these brave servants of God standing behind us to protect us from the arrows of the enemy. O Worshippers of Truth, we greet you. Though you're not of the Believers [momin], your religion must be true and God-given if its followers are such defenders of Truth and Justice, and if they think so little of their own lives in order to support the persecuted. Such a religion will always remain in this world, and its light will spread worldwide together with the glory of Islam.'

Sahas Rai: 'Hazrat, we thank you for the blessings you have just cast upon us. I too pray to Almighty God that whenever Islam needs our blood there should be plenty of my people to bare their breasts for its cause. Please give us now your permission to go into the battlefield, and lay down our lives for the cause of Truth.'

Husain: 'No, my friends.

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Feb 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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Raj Bodepudi,

>> While respecting of the transcedental experiences of the Prophet, Christ, Buddha and others-no one should be allowed to deny the same spiritual EQUALITY for ALL-men, women and Children.

These words cannot mask the fact that you are essentially a small-minded divider of men.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Feb 13, 2007 12:00 AM
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"Joseph in his unisex burka will take care of Islamic issues"

On behalf of dear Joseph & Christian fraternity we had a huge gathering in Chicago, few years ago, ALL condemning Islamic (endemic) bigotry and intolerance. Their numbers are dwindling in Pakistan and will soon disappear, as happened to millions of Christians, Jews, Parsees, Zoroastrians, Ahmediyas, Hindus and Buddhists, over centuries.

While respecting of the transcedental experiences of the Prophet, Christ, Buddha and others-no one should be allowed to deny the same spiritual EQUALITY for ALL-men, women and Children. ALL are potential Christs, prophets and buddhas. If we do not see god in human beings, ALL human beings, then that god or goda only had succeeded in creating a permanently and INCURABLY DERANGED fanatics who would not stoop to kill divinities of their own in the name of the super-fascist dogma of apostacy and divisions between the so-called Believers Vs Unbelievers. People like Joseph and yourself could translate this to others, in own tone and tenor, with whom communication without personal abuse is nearly impossible.
Raj Bodepudi
Oak Brook, United States
Feb 12, 2007 12:00 AM
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Raj Bodepudi:

Your best course of action is to sit in the kitchen with your old wife and eat dal.

You are not going to solve the Islam problem. That is in the hands of far more competent men like Joseph of Karachi.

Joesph has a right to his faithful faith. Do not try to make him leave the faith he faithfully places in that faithful faith. Respect it! Joseph is not going to come out of his mandatory male/female burka just to please you.

Joseph in his unisex burka will take care of Islamic issues.

Meanwhile you can eat dal.

Parbat Laldeng
Denver, United States
Feb 12, 2007 12:00 AM
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>> One day Islam will reform itself.

Sure it would, but when will Bodepudi reform himself.

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Feb 12, 2007 12:00 AM
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Just as the Shias remember their past so should the Hindus-Buddhist-Sikhs-Jain and other Indian Indic traditions. Buddhists should remember the 1199 Nalanda massacre (out of many) and the Hindus the destruction of the Somanath Temple. These two events could unite them and strengthen their resolve for self-defense.

Learn from Karbala and Iraq! How the Sunni fanatics had de-humanized the Shias for centuries as apostates and how mercilessly the Shiaswere persecuted. What happened to Hindus-Buddhists under Islamic terror was infinitely worse. They need to remember their history so their shame and ignominy are consigned to only history-not to the present, nor to the future.

One day Islam will reform itself, as had the Christianity and many other traditions (though not yet complete). But up until then, the Indic traditions ought to survive which could ONLY happen if the Islamic ratio to total population is roughly at the level where it was in 1947, or less. No Islamic state had ever conceded even one inch of its terrotory to other religious traditions. It had been, and still is, unfortunately, an expansionist-militant ideology that thrives by DIVIDING peoples into
Us Vs Them. It will not change in the near future.

Optimism: And yet, there are a large number of Moslem brothers and sisters who could and should LEAD the Islamic mainstream into UNITY with ALL other traditions since transcendal EXPERIENCES are not unique to any one people or any one tradition. This is spirituality where there can never be divisions, whereas under the banner of "religion", or worse, under the "secular" fanaticism, we have had suffered enough.

1. We ALL can and should collect common spiritual themes and pray and meditate together, in ALL temples, mosques, churches, synagogues and monasteries. Why not?

2. Convert ALL religious structures, gradually, into community-prayer halls where ALL are treated ONE-as humans-not dehumanized with DIVISIONARY tags.

3. Publicly acknowledge that the Bible and Quran and the Vedas can NEVER be guides for peace and social harmony. They, of course, could be studied in libraries, perpetually reminding us of human tragedy, where they rightfully belong.

Raj Bodepudi
Oak Brook, United States
Feb 12, 2007 12:00 AM
23
"Will your stupid and hateful diatribes"

The issue is of "Organnized" terror (resulting in tens of millions of innocents killed) and of pogroms in the name of "religion" in India, in the Middle East, and in North Africa. Diverting attention with DERANGED one-liners through personal attacks, is a PROVEN Goebbelian tactic.
Raj Bodepudi
Oak Brook, United States
Feb 11, 2007 12:00 AM
22
Raj Bodepudi,

Will your stupid and hateful diatribes ever end? Don't you have any shame using this forum to propagate your crazy crusade?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Feb 11, 2007 12:00 AM
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Dear Prof Naim:

Please talk of the IRRELEVANCE of ALL of the organized religions. Why talk of Karbala, Muharram, Partition and of the congenitally unending terror of Islam, without finding pathways of fredom from Islam itself?

Why not talk of converting ALL mosques, temples and churches into joint prayer-meditation halls by stitching together few doofd themes from each? Why even congregate and "pray" separately
when the very "separateness" and the very notion of "separability" of humans is itself created by these organized criminal bands masquerading as spiritual seekers?
Raj Bodepudi
Oak Brook, United States
Feb 10, 2007 12:00 AM
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Is C.M.Naim a Shia??.. and people with "Ali" in their names Shias??..

Generally religions are a bunch of stories that people choose to believe. Islam is a funny (albeit violent) religion cooked up by a smart dude (claiming that god talked to him thru an agel) in Arabia to fool a few tribals..

And now people are sending suicide bombers to kill other people who believe in a different version of the same set of stories.. Ironic..
Selvan
Boston, United States
Feb 10, 2007 12:00 AM
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While I respect your pride in being a Hindu, Mr. Chaithanya, may I remind you that the World will be a far better place if we believe in each one to him or herself and God, by whatever name, for us all.

Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Feb 10, 2007 12:00 AM
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Well, lot of crap in it. Thelogy and History. History, that is where you go and sit if you don't move on. Islamic culture has a lot of elements in it which indicate that reluctance. Maybe it's because i am living in times where Islam feels a sense of demoralization and disenchantment in India and their monuments seem out of date to me. A lot of Temples and Churches seem that way too. I am an atheist. In any case, this kind of encouraging articles on Muslim festivals and none on Hindu has only one thing to tell. People will listen if there are influential forces to push your cause. Hinduism has always been confined to various divisions("diversity" in euphemistic terms) among it's followers along caste and langugage lines. Now that we have a national language to bind some, let's hope there will be a Ram Mandir too. It will do a lot of good to the religion and lift many spirits. And Hindu universities like the one in Varanasi should be seen as a model to build new ones with special emphasis on understanding and influencing the cultural values across various spectre. BHU has played a crucial role in Hindutva movement. Golwalkar and many like him had studied and tutored there for some time. They don't a lot about Hindu values in History school books as much as they teach how great a secular Jalaluddin Akbar is. India has a rich cultural History most of which is sitting in purana haveli and people will someday have to visit and improve on this heritage even if they prefer west and east now. One should be proud being a Hindu first. And there should be others who can reason what it means to be one in inclusive terms. I don't like vagueness.
chaitanya
chennai, India
Feb 09, 2007 12:00 AM
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>> Saudi Arabia where the citizens continue to democratically elect their leaders as they have for centuries.

Is Saudi monarchy Islamic?!
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Feb 09, 2007 12:00 AM
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"But Islam does not appreciate the hereditory nature of succession"
We can see that very well in the citdel of "Pure Islam", Saudi Arabia where the citizens continue to democratically elect their leaders as they have for centuries. Women play a very important role in the democratic process in Saudi Arabia. Even donkeys get the opportunity to vote there. Tribalism is unheard of in the Muslim world where Democracy reigns supreme as per the dictates of Islam as reflected in such advanced societies as Afghanistan and Iraq. Around the world, a Sayed is still considered inferior to a low-caste Muslim and this equlity is reflected in the land of pure Pakistan where Muslims display their love for one another in daily spontaneous celebrations that include explosives and gun-fire in heavily populated areas and holy mosques.
Adi
XXXXX, USA
Feb 09, 2007 12:00 AM
15
"Meanwhile the Muslim/Arab state had ceaselessly spread over the entire Arabian Peninsula, across the Nile delta in the west, to the borders of Anatolia and Armenia in the north, and all the way to the eastern borders of present day Iran in the east"

We MUST now reflect on the INNUMERABLE pogroms, massacres and genocides wrought by the Islamic sword! Over 60 million Hindus-Buddhists killed in India alone by the Islamist terrorists! Over 22,000 nuns and Monks at the Nalanda Monastery in 1199, overnight! Millions of Christians and Jews slaughered? Destruction and total disappearance of entire cultures and freedoms!

Compare this to the true "religious" instruction given by the Buddha-

" Go, O Monks, and travel afar, for the BENEFIT and WELFARE of many, out of COMPASSION for the world, to the ADVANTAGE and WELFARE of gods and of mortals. And let not two of you take the same path. Preach the teaching that leads to GOOD--Preach it in spirit and in letter. Show in your perfect sinlessness how the religious life should be lived".

The learned Professor ought to be reflecting on the difference between a true RELIGION that always UNITES ALL and brings PEACE-and of a militarist IDEOLOGY that DIVIDES (Believers Vs. Unbelievers) and brings destruction and devastation in its bloody path. Unending

Raj Bodepudi
Oak Brook, United States
Feb 07, 2007 12:00 AM
14
Ghai,

>> the issue raised By Naim

The issue was never dormant.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Feb 07, 2007 12:00 AM
13
Ok Faruki.Unfortunately the issue raised By Naim will not go easily.IT WILL NOW GO ON POPPING UP REGULARLY.Because SHIA -SUNNI fatricidal fights have perhaps killed more Muslims than any other conflict !
A K GHAI
MUMBAI, India
Feb 07, 2007 12:00 AM
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Shabnam Ali,

>> I did mean Faruki, the self-appointed voice of reason and 'moderate Muslim'.

Compared to whom?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Feb 07, 2007 12:00 AM
11
Shabnam Ali,

>> I think the answer to Faruqui's intemperate question is provided in the first paragrpah itself: "The horrific sectarian violence that rages in Pakistan and Afghanistan and has reached its worst form in Iraq impelled me to revise and share these remarks now."

But to what purpose? And with which audience in mind?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Feb 07, 2007 12:00 AM
10
I am sorry, I did mean Faruki, the self-appointed voice of reason and 'moderate Muslim'.
Shabnam Ali
New Delhi, India
Feb 07, 2007 12:00 AM
9
I think the answer to Faruqui's intemperate question is provided in the first paragrpah itself:

"The horrific sectarian violence that rages in Pakistan and Afghanistan and has reached its worst form in Iraq impelled me to revise and share these remarks now."
Shabnam Ali
New Delhi, India
Feb 07, 2007 12:00 AM
8
Lest my last post be seen as being disrespectful to Prof Naim, let me hasten to add that I have admired many of his articles. The following is an example :


http://www.columbia.edu...aim/txt_naim_aimpb.html
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Feb 07, 2007 12:00 AM
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Gai,

>> CAN ANY FRIEND EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED -NAIM TOO IS AVOIDING DIRECT ANSWERE.

The real question for me is : Why is Naim dusting up his old articles for publication now? And what makes OUTLOOK publish these articles, when we see vital topics related to today's Muslims being discussed in articles written by Haqqani in the Indian Express and by Tariq Ali in the Guardian?
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Feb 07, 2007 12:00 AM
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Khalid Sahib-this question is troubling me since long that- How Muslims could kill Prophets Grand Sons ?? What were their crimes ?? Understand even Prophet's daughter too died of thirst being denied water ?? How could MUSLIMS EVEN think of murdering MUHAMAD SAHIB'S FAMILY ??
None of my any Muslim friend explained .CAN ANY FRIEND EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED -NAIM TOO IS AVOIDING DIRECT ANSWERE.
ANOTHER CONFUSION IS WHY SHIA AND SUNNIES HAVE ANY PROBLEM ? BOTH ARE MUSLIMS AN DFOLLOW HOLY BOOK.
A K GHAI
MUMBAI, India
Feb 07, 2007 12:00 AM
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The karbala is an unfortunate incident that happened.Islam was complete in its form at the time of death of the Prophet. writer is correct to mention that as now people think Muharram is only related to karbala incident.. But the writer has cast aspersion on the capability of caliphs (First two) regarding the succession..Hazrat Abu bakr,hazrat Umar were elected in a democratic way (called bait). It itself means the other people have faith in them , Hazrat Ali never opposed the candidature..There were sections among muslims who wanted Ali to be the successor.. But Islam does not appreciate the hereditory nature of succession..During Prophets life, on many occasions Prophet did give some signs about Abu Bakr be his successor..He has lead the prayer when Prophet was sick and he himself prayed behind him..This section of muslims who from start were working against the Caliphs and muslims. These are the same people who invited Imam Hussain to kufa with false pretext that they would support him against Yazid..Though Imam hussain died a martyr but Yazid ay have to take some blame for it. With the Ulemas not giving the correct knowledge to the muslim and some even encourage to curse Yazid.,Hazrat Umar, Hazrat Abu Bakr etc..Also , we need to keep in mind that Hazrat Muaviya is a sahabah(Companion), Any one curse sahabah can easily find himself in the wrong side..
khalid
Jamshedpur, India
Feb 07, 2007 12:00 AM
4
Ghai,

>> HOW COULD MUSLIMS KILL PROPHET'S GRAND CHILDERN ?? HOW COULD IT BE ?

That's my question too.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Feb 07, 2007 12:00 AM
3
FARUKI-I don't understand what you say .May be I am not well versed with Muslim Theology.
WITHOUT SHOWING ANY DISRESPECT TO ISLAM I FAIL TO UNDERSTAND - HOW COULD MUSLIMS KILL PROPHET'S GRAND CHILDERN ?? HOW COULD IT BE ?? This is puzzling or is IT just a fiction ??
Same trend we observed in all the Muslim Rulers in India who killed their own family members for 'THAKHAT'-AURANZEB IS THE CLASSIC EXAMPLE !
Muslim brothers I mean no insult but this incident troules.
COULD BE NAIM HAS FAILED TO COVEY CORECTLY.
a k ghai
mumbai, India
Feb 07, 2007 12:00 AM
2
Should all these feuds and murders in the pursuit of the Caliphate be matters of pride or shame for the Muslims? The claimants and participants in these battles were all driven by good motives, but do we need to consider some of them to be better than others? In fact, does the elevation of these struggles to a level of crucial importance in Islamic lore do much to enhance our understanding of Islam. Such an understanding requires going periodically to the roots to see the directions in which changes were contemplated, the dynamic significance of such changes, and how they fit in the totality of monotheistic teachings.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Feb 07, 2007 12:00 AM
1
Mir Mosharraf Hossain, a noted Bengali literary figure from late 19th century, wrote a moving book on this named Bisad-Sindhu. Many of our first understanding of Islam came from this book.

However with the rise of Islamism, neither Shias can commemorate Muharam in large parts of Muslim World. Appears, Shias are safer in non-Muslim countries. That too, Sunnis started targetting Muharam Tazia even in Locknow, the city which has most Shiite cultural history outside Iran.

Shiites of Iran - Mullah brand meanwhile did not stop. It has created most indoctrinated political ideology based on petro dollars.

Whose side you can take? None/
Bhaskar Chatterjee
Milford, United States
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