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Musharraf's Mein Kampf
The world failed to take note of the sick mind behind Mein Kampf. Millions of people died as a result. A similar catastrophe awaits the world if it ignores the sick mind behind In the Line of Fire.
Like Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf, Gen. Pervez Musharraf's book of lies In the Line of Fire is significant and worrisome not for what it contains, but for what it indicates about the sick mind of a self-obsessed individual, living in a make-believe world of his own creation. Adolf Hitler convinced himself that he would be the saviour of the German people and of the world. Musharraf has convinced himself that he would be the saviour of the Pakistani people and of the world.

Critics of the book in Pakistan like Mr Amir Mir have pointed out that Musharraf has deliberately chosen the title of his book after a 1993 Hollywood movie by the same name, which was about a lone secret service agent, who stood between life and death for the US President. Through the book, Musharraf has sought to convey a message to the US and the Western world: Me or the jihadi deluge—you have no third option.

Mr Amir Mir wrote in the Frontier Post of September 22, 2006:

"His critics believe that by borrowing the film title, In the Line of Fire, Musharraf wants to give a symbolic message to the Bush Administration that he is still the only trusted leader in Pakistan who can save the US from the wrath of Al Qaeda and the Taliban by foiling their evil designs. At the same time, he would like the White House to back him for his re-election as the President of Pakistan for a second term and that too in uniform."

Mr Amir Mir says that the people of Pakistan perceive him as a "self-obsessed and power-hungry man, who would go to any extent to remain in power". He adds: "They say actions speak louder than words. In Musharraf's seven years of power, he has gone back on all the pledges he has ever made. The first thing he said after grabbing power was "I have no political ambition" and the last promise he made was "I will leave my uniform". He lived up to neither."

Hitler and Goebbels believed that you can fool all people for all time. According to them, what was important was not how credible your statement, but how credible your way of saying what you say. You could make the world accept even the most blatant falsehood if you knew how to utter it, and kept at it. Musharraf believes so too.

See the kind of falsehoods he has uttered in his book and during his promotional tour in West Europe and the US. I have already drawn attention to his falsehoods about the Kargil conflict in an earlier article on the book Let me mention some others:

Daniel Pearl

It was not Omar Sheikh, who butchered Daniel Pearl, the US journalist in the beginning of 2002. This is what Musharraf says now:

"The man who may have actually killed Pearl or at least participated in his butchery, we eventually discovered, was none other than Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Al-Qaeda number three. Fazal Karim, a Pakistani activist from banned Sunni extremist group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, who was arrested in May 2002 in another case, told police that he knew where Pearl was buried. Karim was asked how he knew. Chillingly he replied without remorse that he knew because he had actually participated in the slaughter by holding one of Pearl's legs. But he did not know the person who actually slit Pearl's throat. All he could say is that this person is Arab-looking."

If that was so, why was Karim not cited as an accused in the case relating to the kidnapping and slaughter of Pearl? Musharraf has remained silent on this. And nobody in the Western media has asked him this question. Mr Rai Bashir, the defence lawyer of Omar Sheikh, has already given notice of his intention to cite Musharraf as a defence witness to show that Omar had nothing do with Pearl's slaughter.

Even as Musharraf was promoting his latest version of the "truth" in the US, the London correspondent of the News, a well-known daily of Pakistan, quoted (September 22) a spokesman of the British Foreign Office as saying that the Pakistani authorities had not agreed to a request by the British High Commission in Islamabad for a meeting with Omar Sheikh in jail. They have told the British that only the court before which Omar Sheikh's appeal against the death sentence awarded to him is pending could permit such a meeting. The British reportedly want to question him regarding any knowledge he may have had about the London blasts of July, 2005, and the recently thwarted plot to blow up US-bound planes.

AQ Khan's Nuke Walmart

The Pakistani military units posted in the Kahuta uranium enrichment plant could not detect the removal of centrifuges from the plant by A.Q.Khan, the nuclear scientist, for being sent to Iran and North Korea because their job was to protect the plant from external attacks and not the prevention of internal thefts. A.Q.Khan just put the centrifuges in his car and took them away, without his car being checked.

The Daily Times of Lahore reported as follows on September 26,2006, on Musharraf's interview on the CBS the previous evening:

"Gen Musharraf was closely questioned as to how the centrifuges that Dr Khan is charged with having supplied to North Korea and Iran could have been taken out of Pakistan's highly-secured and military-guarded nuclear facilities undetected by the government or the army. He replied that the military was there to safeguard the facilities from outside attack. When the interviewer suggested that in that case the internal controls were a "little weak," Gen Musharraf disagreed, asserting that they were not weak but "very strong". He said the centrifuges, whose designs, parts and they themselves had been sent out, could easily have been placed in a car and moved out. When the interviewer wondered if 18 tonnes of equipment could have been thus removed without anyone noticing, Gen Musharraf replied that it could not have been done at one time. "It must have been transported many times" and thereafter put on a C-130 and flown out.All the C-130s in the country are owned and flown by the Pakistan Air Force, but this question was not put to the President. Asked if the reason nobody from outside had been allowed to talk to Dr Khan was the fear that he might incriminate the army, the President replied, "That is absolutely not the case," adding that US President Bush and CIA's George Tenet are "very satisfied and quite comfortable with whatever we have done".

Disappeared Indians

Musharraf has insinuated that there were some Indians working in the Dubai network of A.Q.Khan, who "disappeared" after the network was detected by the US and speculated that Pakistan's enrichment technology must have leaked to India through them. He has not named these so-called Indians in A.Q.Khan's Dubai network. Nor has he indicated why the detailed investigations made by the intelligence agencies of the US and other countries and by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) of Vienna have not brought out any "disappeared" Indians.

Buhary Seyed Abu Tahir, who headed A.Q.Kan's Dubai network and who set up a plant in Malaysia for the clandestine manufacture of new centrifuges at the instance of A.Q.Khan, was a Sri Lankan Muslim of Indian origin, who subsequently married a Malaysian and settled down in Malaysia. He has not disappeared. He was arrested and interrogated by the Malaysian Police. Why has he not said anything about the so-called "disappeared" Indians?

Ever since the Indo-US deal for civil nuclear co-operation was signed in July last year, Ms.Shireen Mazari, the Pakistani analyst, who wrote a book on the Kargil conflict at the instance of Musharraf, has been spreading canards about India allegedly supplying nuclear technology to Iran, Iraq and other countries. The story of the so-called "disappeared" Indians was also her canard, which Musharraf has borrowed.

Taliban

Among other blatant falsehoods uttered by Musharraf, some are related to the sanctuaries of the Taliban in Pakistani territory and his recent peace agreement with the tribal chiefs of North Waziristan at the instance of Mullah Mohammad Omar, the Amir of the Taliban. After this agreement, the Pakistan Army has suspended all military operations against the remnants of Al Qaeda and the Taliban in that area. Musharraf tried to project this agreement as actually meant to help the NATO forces in countering the Taliban in Afghan territory. Nobody confronted him with an assessment reported to have been made by the US army units based in Southern and Eastern Afghanistan that since the conclusion of the cease-fire agreement in North Waziristan, the Taliban attacks on the NATO forces have increased three-fold.

Truths

The book is largely a figment of Musharraf's imagination and partly Ms.Mazari's pillow talk. But it is not without some truths. The most important truth is that the CIA paid the government of Pakistan for every terror suspect captured and handed over to the CIA. These amounts were paid to Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), which used the money for helping the Neo Taliban, the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET) and other jihadi terrorist organisations. Having realised the grave implications of his admitting this truth, Musharraf tried to wriggle out of this in an interview with the CNN. He is subsequently reported to have stated that these payments were made not to the government of Pakistan, but to an agency, which has been helping in the hunt for the terrorists. He has not explained which agency.

If this agency is the ISI, how can he say that making payments to it did not amount to making payments to the government of Pakistan? My police sources in Pakistan say that the CIA had been making payments to the ISI only and not to any other agency. Other sources in the tribal areas, however, say that with the CIA's encouragement a group of retired officers of the ISI and the CIA, who were involved in the operations against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan in the 1980s, have formed a private agency to help the CIA in its hunt for Osama bin Laden and his associates and some payments have also been going to this private agency.

These sources allege that the retired ISI officers in this private agency have been making money from the CIA as well as Al Qaeda—from the CIA for collecting intelligence about Al Qaeda and from Al Qaeda for intelligence about the CIA. The serving and retired officers in the ISI have never had it so good and it would, therefore, be not in their interest for the US war against terrorism to come to an early end. There is no business today in Pakistan like the Al Qaeda Hunt business.

The other truth that has come out of Musharraf is that his own colleagues and batch-mates never thought that he would rise above the rank of a Lt.Col. Musharraf writes:

"Having opted for the Army, while at the Pakistan Military Academy, I almost got thrown out for some disciplinary lapse. As a young Second Lieutenant, court-martial proceedings were initiated against me for yet another disciplinary violation. But war with India broke out just in time to block these proceedings. My subsequent war performance saved me from the court martial. As a young officer, my bluntness and indiscipline landed me in much serious trouble, with red ink entries piling up in my service record. In spite of my high professional performance on ground, my discipline record almost obstructed my promotion to the rank of Lt.Col. As a Brigadier on course at the Royal College of Defence Studies at London, my name was initially dropped from the list of recommended promotees to the rank of Maj.Gen. by the then Prime Minister (Mrs.Benazir Bhutto?) for some unknown reasons. My promotion as Army Chief is next only to a miracle, seen within all the seniority manipulations, negative propaganda against me and my character assassination."

Hitler was only a corporal in the German Army. The world saw what a damage even a corporal with a sick mind could cause to the world. Imagine what damage an ill-deserved General with an equally sick mind and with a propensity for compulsive lying like Hitler can cause.

There are two psychopaths on the loose today in Pakistan—Osama bin Laden and Musharraf. Both look upon themselves as the saviours of their people and the world. The war against terrorism has to be directed against both.

The world failed to take note of the sick mind behind Mein Kampf. Millions of people died as a result. A similar catastrophe awaits the world if it ignores the sick mind behind In the Line of Fire.


B. Raman is Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Govt. of India, New Delhi, and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical Studies, Chennai.

 
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COLLAPSE COMMENTS :
HAVE YOUR SAY
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
42
Mr.Joseph , I did ask our PM and he told me he is sick and tired of Jokers like Castro and chavez, and Mush the great whom he met in Havana.

All Good for a 10 minute fullmonty or jugglery in a circus, certainly not for startegic friendship. Besides most of them want our products / services free as they dont have money to buy them.

Being the money minded banias that we are, we prefer to cultivate a huge potential market for our Services / Products.
shankar
Mumbai, India
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
41
"Mr. Chanakya, it was Mr. Shankar who was abusive"

Mr.Joseph, Please scroll through your earlier posts once again.

It was you , who started the ball rolling with the word "sucker" and got a suckerpunch in return. ( another use of word sucker for you :) )

"You have a dirty mind?"

It takes one to recognise and know one ??
shankar
Mumbai, India
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
40
Joseph asks:"And what about the Indian P. M.s quick step and even quicker jump on to Bush's lap."

I guess you are talking about the nuclear deal (the on-now-off-now deal). The Indian PM thinks that it is beneficial to the people of India, though there are many who differ.

But this does not involve turning back on friends.

This does not involve the usage of Indian air space as thoroughfare for planes, missiles and rockets.

This does not involve handing over foreign ministers of recognised governments (like Mutta Wakeel) to the US and overnight change a foreign policy.

This does not involve a package deal with the CIA to hand-over Al-Q operatives for a few green-backs.
Chanakya
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
39

As long as India doesn't give the US military and missile bases, and doesn't support reflexively every US foreign policy initiative, there should be, and will be, no problem with India having a mature, intelligent relationship, with the US. Note the words intelligent and mature. Not the crass, crude, ties the Paki military and even China in the 70's and early 80's , have/had with the Americans. India knows better than that. Economic and even a moderate level of military ties with the US are unexceptional. Objecting to them tells more about the people criticizing or denigrating the relationship, than about the relationship itself. Did someone say Joseph Perera?
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
38
And what about the Indian P. M.s quick step and even quicker jump on to Bush's lap.
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
37
Mr. Chanakya, it was Mr. Shankar who was abusive.
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
36
Joseph makes some interesting comments:

a) That I have been abusive and that my posts are full of hatred.

I have gone through them again and I am yet to find any abuse of hate in my posts relevant to this story. However, considering that Joseph thinks Mush is full of boldness and candour, it is easy to understand why he thinks my posts are abusive.

b) "I wish my Indian friends would develop the ability to refrain from abuse, taunts and sarcasm when talking about their neighbours in South Asia, lest they be left with no friends in their neighbourhood"

Friends. Ah yes. Pakistan and the Taliban were bum-chums. Didn't take the General long to jump ship and change sides. Whether by threat or allurement of dollars we do not know. But then, as the saying goes - with friends like these, we do not need enemies. Just imagine the havoc that the General could wreak if there is friendship - remember Kargil?

c) Kuldip Nayyar - ok, India is a free country, he is free to express his opinion that Indians are "arrogant". If being humble is holding candle-light vigils while people are being bombed and grenaded in Kashmir, then I guess we are better off "arrogant".
Chanakya
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
35
sreejith
bangalore, india
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
34
Foxeph from Pakistan says

"I wish my Indian friends would develop the ability to refrain from abuse, taunts and sarcasm when talking about their neighbours in South Asia, lest they be left with no friends in their neighbourhood"

The Best way to gain friends in your neighbourhood is to export terrorism to your neighbourhood
sreejith
bangalore, india
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
33
Mr. Shankar, are you important enough to ask your PM how and why he discarded 57 years 127 days and 54 minutes of non-alignment to sit so calmly in 'evil' Bush's lap?
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
32
Mr. Shankar: A sucker is one who pays good money for an inferior service or product. You have a dirty mind?
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
31
A review of all ripostes will also show that one gets paid back in kind.

The habit of turning the other cheek all the time is absent in some of us Pagans.

If labelling others "Suckers" is your sane and logical method of making a strong argument, all the best.

And Do let us know why an economic powerhouse like Pakistan is taking a 3 billion USD dole from the Evil Bush, who is controlled by even more evil Israelis.
shankar
Mumbai, India
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
30
In this whole wide world of ours, there is no greater twit than Mr. Varun Shekhar and others of similar ilk. They opted to leave booming, blossoming India to live as second class citizens in the West and in such places as boring and cold Toronto. I wish they voted with their feet and returned to smelly Bombay, chaotic Bangalore, corrupt Delhi, etc. When any one of them returns, I hope they place a posting on Outlook India in confirmation.

Having said this, allow me to add that calling someone a twit just for the sake of it and out of bloody-mindedness says a lot about character.

Yes, I have called Mr. Varun Shekhar a twit but I have clearly stated why and without any malice.

I wish my Indian friends would develop the ability to refrain from abuse, taunts and sarcasm when talking about their neighbours in South Asia, lest they be left with no friends in their neighbourhood.

In an analysis in today's Dawn (www.dawn.com), Mr. Kuldip Nayar explains why ARROGANCE is the downfall of India in the fields of geo-politics and foreign policy.

I would request my Indian friends to go through this analysis, do some introspection and
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
29
As the case gets weaker, the abuse gets stronger. Now something about drinking camel's urine has cropped up. You talk about hatred getting the better of reason. We have Messers Shankar, Chanakya and Varun Shekhar who exemplify the point. A review of all the ripostes makes it clear to me that it has become difficult to comprehend how and why a Christian should support Pakistan and its President and in the process open Indian eyes to their own undeserved arrogance and foolhardiness in matters relating to its neighbours.
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
28
""The US is also committing USD 206 million over the next four years in earthquake reconstruction assistance as part of a five-year, USD three billion assistance programme to improve Pakistan's health and education sectors and promote good governance, security, and economic growth," Casey said.


http://www.expressindia...lstory.php?newsid=75124


The Ecoomic Power house of Pakistan is getting a 3 Billion USD alm to reconstruct houses, education,health etc.

And the good General also sold a few Al Q prisoners to CIA to raise additional funds.

G8..watch out! here they come !!
shankar
Mumbai, India
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
27
In the Islamic Wonderland of Pakistan, everything is possible , where one becomes a sucker if he enjoys a Glass of Beer with friends.

And since when did Mr.Murree make a sucker out of you ? Or is Camel's Piss the preferred drink in Karachi when you go out with friends?
shankar
Mumbai, India
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
26
Whatever the death toll of minorities in Bangladesh, it was very high. And it is totally beyond dispute that the Hindu minorities in both Pakistan and Bangladesh have dropped *drastically* from well over 20% of the population in 1947, to 1% and 5% respectively now, and still decerasing.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Oct 07, 2006 12:00 AM
25

Joseph, who said this was a debate? It is you boasting about how great Musharraf is. One can almost hear a tiwt like you gloating "Ha Ha Ha, you Indians with your infotech, call centres, biotech and manufacturing, you don't get the attention that our charismatic military leader the great Musharraf does in the US" You can stuff your attention, you sick jerk. Ha Ha Ha Ha ...
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Oct 06, 2006 12:00 AM
24
I do not believe for one that three million Hindus or Christians or Muslims or Buddhists for that matter were killed in the creation of Bangladesh. Given the small size of Bangladesh and its density of population, it would be difficult to hide the bodies or the blood. Moreover no mass graves have been unearthed as in Cambodia, Rwanda, Germany, etc. I was there.

Why must the postings reek with taunt and sarcasm. Can not you Indian's win debates on the basis of scoring points rather than 'abuse' and unwarranted arrogance.

Also please do not blame all yopur ills on Muslims. Firstly, it betrays the hypocritical nature of 'Indian Secularism'
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Oct 06, 2006 12:00 AM
23
Joseph writes:" India wanted the entire Bangladesh to be its war booty."

Thank God we messed it up and failed miserably. Just imagine another 150 million peace-loving believers to our already existing Molotov cock-tail.

A spine-chilling thought.
Chanakya
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Oct 06, 2006 12:00 AM
22
"India wanted the entire Bangladesh to be its war booty."

Certainly, O Saint Joseph, India's delighted gift to Pakistan. (What a piece of luck for India!)

You would have preferred it to be West Pakistan's war booty. Complete with three million butchered Hindus.
Anil Narlikar
Pune, India
Oct 06, 2006 12:00 AM
21
In the context of Bangladesh, it is not a question of ingratitude. It is Indian bloody-mindedness, intransigence, greed, etc, that messed it up. India wanted the entire Bangladesh to be its war booty.
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Oct 06, 2006 12:00 AM
20
Kingfisher, lucky Mr. Vijay Mallya, the beer and its manufacturer have made suckers of you!!!!!!!
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Oct 06, 2006 12:00 AM
19
JOSEPH FROM KARACHI
"India helped create Bangladesh and 35 years down the road Ms Veena Sikri ( I trust you kinow who she is?) has to remind Bangladesh of this to no avail."

Well India only figuratively fathered Bangladesh, Shah Jahan was the biological father of Aurangzeb, look where it landed the poor man. Some people do not have a 'gratitude' bone in their bodies.
vikas ranjan
gurgaon, India
Oct 06, 2006 12:00 AM
18
In the case of Pakistan and Musharraf, they have been floored by the candour and boldness.
Chanakya
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Oct 06, 2006 12:00 AM
17
Joseph writes: "In the case of Pakistan and Musharraf, they have been floored by the candour and boldness."

Let's talk about this first.

The general says CIA paid, then retracts within hours saying there will be a revision.

The general says Armitage threatened, implying that Pak may not have co-operated but for the threat.

Not exactly boldness and candour, is it?

If Pak is doing economically well, good for it. And good for us too. It would mean lesser youth tilting towards India to "liberate kashmir".

Since you mention Bihar & UP, it does not appear that a certain region called Baloochistan is exactly enjoying the benefits of Pak's economic development.
Chanakya
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Oct 06, 2006 12:00 AM
16
"Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf's much-discussed book In the Line of Fire is full of typos with the Pakistani capital spelt as "Islam Bad" and the Indian prime minister as "Manmo Ham Singh".


http://hindustantimes.c...814194,000500020008.htm


Freudian Slip by the General ? or another conspiracy by America / Bush / Israel / BJP to defame Islam ?
shankar
Mumbai, India
Oct 06, 2006 12:00 AM
15
Joseph - "Sarcasm is the trait of a weak person whose has nothing to say but to taunt.."

"Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own"--Johathan Swift

"Sarcasm: the last refuge of modest and chaste-souled people when the privacy of their soul is coarsely and intrusively invaded. - Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoyevsky

As of now, I have read more by Dostoyevsky than by Mr.Joseph from Karachi.

Joseph - "They have awakened the world to the ge-ostrategic importance of Pakistan. In the World according to Bush, Pakistan is the linch-pin in Central and South Asia. "

Great work. You can take a bow now. Once again ,Lucky you..staying in such a geo-strategic linch-pin must be lots of fun.Way to go !!

"Taunting will get you no where.."

Where I go or dont go is my business. Certainly no skin off your nose.

"Contradict me with facts and figures. "

Where is the contradiction when I am also saying Pakistan is the land of Milk and Honey, the heaven on earth and also envying you for being its citizen?

"This may not happen in my life time but it will surely in yours..."

Sorry to hear that. You will miss all the victory celebrations.But do leave a forwarding address to keep you posted.

"Extrapolate $724 at 8% and $ 854 at 7.7% and tell me where they meet."

Being the genius that you are, you can do that simple maths and tell us when Pakistan will stop Passing its hat around for alms from US and others, to start with.

"Pakistan will reach there faster. Trust me."

Here is wishing you godspeed. That means you can also distribute your enormous wealth to poorer countries faster.Are you taking in advance requests for handouts now?

"Pakistan's education system was not talked about. It was Bangladesh's."

So Bangladesh can keep all the Nobel Prizes now. Is Pakistan just below U.S. and Bangladesh in this educational pyramid? We all know India is in the bottommost heap.

"It is Murree Beer."

Thx for the correction. I owe you a glass of Kingfishers finest when you visit India next.
shankar
Mumbai, India
Oct 06, 2006 12:00 AM
14
Mr. Chanakya, this is for you too.
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Oct 06, 2006 12:00 AM
13
Shankar: Sarcasm is the trait of a weak person whose has nothing to say but to taunt. Taunting will get you no where. Contradict me with facts and figures.

You will also observe that I said South Asia in part is a 'sorry state', and that includes much of Pakistan.

In the next line I appear to contradict myself. I am not. I have paired Musharraf and Pakistan, and taken together they are not a "sorry state". They have awakened the world to the ge-ostrategic importance of Pakistan. In the World according to Bush, Pakistan is the linch-pin in Central and South Asia. India, as the muddling through of the nuclear deal shows, is nothing more than a counter-weight to China. May I add a terribly poor one at that. China is a good two generations ahead of India and growing at a faster pace. Catching up and 'counter-weighting' is unlikely to happen in your life or mine.

Being in Pakistan makes me no better or worse than a siumilarly placed Indian. The sad bit that the bulk of Indian society is so blinkered that it fails to see beyond its nose. You will wallow in India and me in Pakistan as long as India continues to consider itself the bully on the block. India helped create Bangladesh and 35 years down the road Ms Veena Sikri ( I trust you kinow who she is?) has to remind Bangladesh of this to no avail. India is its own-destroyer to short-sightedness in relations with its neighbours.

About 'taking' Kashmir, Pakistan will some day but through 'jaw-jaw' not 'war war'. This may not happen in my life time but it will surely in yours.

Flppancy will get you no where. India may take a Century to reach the GDP per capita of G8 countries. Pakistan will reach there faster. Trust me. Extrapolate $724 at 8% and $ 854 at 7.7% and tell me where they meet.

Your 'paranoioa and hatred' for Pakistan is so strong that you even misread. Pakistan's education system was not talked about. It was Bangladesh's.

It is Murree Beer.

Please do not let hatred based upon or developed through biased information blind you to the good things in others.

Thank you.
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Oct 06, 2006 12:00 AM
12
typos in earlier post..

Read whatever for "whatecer" , Prizes for "prices"
shankar
Mumbai, India
Oct 06, 2006 12:00 AM
11
Joseph, buddy..

Leave us Indians to wallow in our Miseries in our Sorry State called India...We know how lucky you are to be in the happening Pakistan.

If the Indian military is weak and airforce atrophied , ask the Good General to attack India and win back Kashmir and whatecer else he wants.

If the Pakistani Infrastructure is great and its economy the greatest, become a member of the G8 and donate your riches to your poorer muslim brethern across the world. It is Ramzan time.

If the Pakistani Education system is doing wonders, apply for all the Nobel prices this year, and every year and win all of them.

In the meantime enjoy an extra Murray Beer and get a life.
shankar
Mumbai, India
Oct 06, 2006 12:00 AM
10
Chanakya fails to see an important difference here. Indian cricket, like most of India, and South Asia in part, is a "sorry story".

Pakistan and Musharraf are not "sorry stories".

Indian cricket and its cricketers has allowed adulation and money go to its head. Indian's are embarrased and have nothing to say out of sheer shame.

In the case of Pakistan and Musharraf, they have been floored by the candour and boldness. They are punch drunk.

Despite its high growth rate, India's GDP per capita remains lower than Pakistan.

India's military advantage has denuded and its Air Force attrophied by poor equipment and poor pilots and maintainence. India's comparative advantage has almost disappeared, such that Air Chief Marshall Tyagi was constrained to express his concern.

The economic boom in India is benefitting just 250 million people and the bulk of UP and Bihar, etc are abysmally poor. The gini for Pakistan is far better than for India.

In terms of universality of education India is below Bangladesh. Pakistan's economy is freer. Pakistan's infrastructure is superior.

All these observations have been culled from the current newspapers which are also flumoxxed why India for all its positive indicators is still as infrastructurally backward and economically divided as it is.
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Oct 05, 2006 12:00 AM
9
Joseph says:"Given the small number of postings on Musharraf and his book, it becomes quite clear that most NRIs and the home-bound ones have been flumoxxed"

If you had observed, then there are much lesser postings for this week's cover story about cricket.

Just shows that "sorry stories" do not get many posts.
Chanakya
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Oct 05, 2006 12:00 AM
8
Given the small number of postings on Musharraf and his book, it becomes quite clear that most NRIs and the home-bound ones have been flumoxxed. Musharraf is quite clearly a genius in his own way. He has clearly an immense capacity to get by with doing and saying things that would make others shudder. He has the gift of the gab, a fortright disposition and the ability to think and talk straight, albeit with doses of subterfuge and deceit to serve a purpose. In this context, two things need to be remembered. Firstly in the present day world the ends justify the means. Bush in Iraq. Musharraf in Kargil Manmohan in Meghalaya. Secondly, the truth lies somewhere between two extremes, usually at the mid-way point. One person's truths are another person's lies.

It is, therefore, quite surprising to find Mr. Raman as incensensed. As a former head of RAW, he has, in the line of duty, lied through his teeth. Nobody called him Hitler.

By his candidness, Musharraf is one up on ever body. And that is every one else's sore point.
Joseph
Karachi, Pakistan
Oct 03, 2006 12:00 AM
7
Amazing to see B.Raman and Praful Bidwai voice similar views.


http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=26464
XYZ
Los Angeles, USA
Oct 02, 2006 12:00 AM
6
ANIL NARLIKAR: "ust because Hindu worms like Raman can't face him he doesn't become a serious figure."
So what is your "Secular" government of India, led by non-Hindus doing about this "two-bit Paki military thug"? Imagining him out of existance?
Adi
XXXXX, USA
Oct 02, 2006 12:00 AM
5
The really sick minds are Hindu ones. They don;t have the guts to defend themselves and blame Musharraf, inflating him into a Hitler. He isn't Hitler, just a two-bit Paki military thug. Just because Hindu worms like Raman can't face him he doesn't become a serious figure.
Anil Narlikar
Pune, India
Oct 02, 2006 12:00 AM
4
The authors identification of musharraf's tactics as Hitler and Goebbel's is quite apt and springs instantly to the mind of all who have read or experienced Hitler and Goebbel.

We also know there position in history today.

This is the beginning of the end for Musharraf.

And that is a sad thing. For he did at one time appear to be a person capable of taking Pakistan out of the morass it was in.

Does this lead to the next question...?
Will Pakistan still NEED to be bombed to stone age to save the world?

Atul Chandra
mUMBAI, INDIA
Oct 01, 2006 12:00 AM
3
What the general is suffering from is a condition called NPD,Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
See him and understand him with this view point;maybe Outlook can rope in a psychiatrist and do a feature.
Bhartendu Mehta
Manama, Bahrain
Sep 30, 2006 12:00 AM
2
Initially I was astounted to see so many people taking the liar seriously. Especially when the liar said he wanted the truth to get out.

But then I read a report where Jimmy Carter blasted Rumsfeld for being inefficient!! If Jimmy Carter has the audacity to speak about efficiency, then Mush can certainly speak about truth. The world has turned upside down. The terrorists are to be read miranda rights. The death sentence of a convict who tried to blow up the parliament is to be revoked to save the peace process. Madani is given a treatment that would make a minister envy.

And the icing on the cake. Fighting terrorism will breed terrorism. So dont fight. Fighting Nazis will breed Nazism SO dont fight Nazis. This is really a topsy turvy world. And definitely Mush can speak about truth.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Sep 30, 2006 12:00 AM
1
After Musharraf's lies on Kargil, wish the editors present at the Musharraf breakfast in Agra would tell us if they now think that their questioning of Musharraf that day should have been less forgiving.
XYZ
Los Angeles, USA
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