From left: LeT's Hafiz Mohd Sayeed, JeM's Maulana Masood Azhar and Hizb's Syed Salahuddin
COVER STORY
The Call Of The Camps
Pakistan's expat citizens are triggers in most terror plots now. What is it about them and global jehad? There are no easy answers.
TERROR IN THE AIR
Whether or not there was an actual plan of attack, British Muslims stand convicted for perceived intention Updates
Sanjay Suri
TERROR IN THE AIR
10 steps to terror undone: How London claims it scuttled the plan
cover story
Tipped off trouble, airports are firming up as virtual bulwarks
Bhavna Vij-Aurora
PoK quake
Did quake relief efforts in PoK help members of UK charities bond with terror groups? And have relief funds been diverted to the latter?
COVER STORY
Sadly, the US and UK still gloss over terrorist attacks in India
V. Sudarshan
COVER STORY
Local terror outfits get an Al Qaeda connection, look to go global
Saikat Datta
When an aghast world was told about a diabolical plan to blow up 10 planes simultaneously over the Atlantic, the Pakistan government was showered with praise for its role in averting what could have been an unprecedented disaster. Islamabad preened in what it thought was its moment of glory—it breathlessly provided sketchy details about the arrest of a mastermind in Pakistan, the vital call it had intercepted asking the conspirators to bring forward the bombing date, and how its tip-off prompted an arrest spree in Britain last week.
 
 
"The West has a short memory. We didn't create Al Qaeda...We're suffering."
 
 
From warding off barbs about fomenting terrorism, Pakistan could now, justifiably, claim to be a terror-buster.

Yet, this symphony of triumph made at least a few in Pakistan shudder. For, after all, once again an international terrorist plan had brought to the fore the Pakistani hand. Not only were 19 of the 24 arrested in Britain of Pakistani origin, there were clues linking some of them to the terrorist apparatus existing here. Before this, there had already been London's 7/7 of last year—then too, three of the four suicide bombers had been of Pakistani origin. Last week, the New York Times asked the big question: why does only Pakistan provide "such fertile soil for the cultivation of terrorist activity? This week's London case is the sixth major terrorist attack, either consummated or attempted over the last three years, to be linked to Pakistan in some fashion. It has again raised the question of whether Pakistan is doing enough to rein in terrorist groups operating on its soil".

A feisty Tasnim Aslam, spokesperson at the foreign office, bristled at the question—why Pakistan? She answered, "People making such remarks about Pakistan suffer from short memory. The seeds of terrorism in this region were sown when thousands of foreigners were brought here to fight the Soviet invasion in Afghanistan. These commentators on Pakistan should remember that it was certainly not Pakistan which created Al Qaeda and also that Pakistan was not in any manner responsible for the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan which changed the region. We are still facing the consequences." In other words, Pakistan is entangled in the web of terrorism today because of the violent legacy it has inherited.

Others, however, have begun to ponder over the phenomenon of expatriate Pakistanis masterminding international terror plots. Why do they turn to their country of origin to implement their dark dreams? Can Pakistan be blamed for the acts of those who are no longer its citizens? It's, to begin with, an issue of nomenclatures and categories the mass media employs. As Dr Shireen Mazari, who heads the Institute of Strategic Studies, says, "Of course, it doesn't come as a surprise for most of us in Pakistan to hear British Muslims suddenly referred to as Britons of Pakistani origin. That the British press fails to make similar reference to British Muslims who bring sporting honours to their country—and who also have similar 'Pakistani' connections—is now taken as a given. Frankly, one just shrugs it off with a bitter sense of hopelessness at the way references to Pakistan are made in the US and Europe."

Security analyst Lt Gen (retd) Talat Masood says the issue should be viewed against the backdrop of global politics. "There is a huge community in Britain with links to Pakistan. Most of the youth of this community are unemployed and not integrated into the British society. They feel completely alienated. They also see the UK linking up with the US, whether in Afghanistan, Iraq or Lebanon."

Alienation from society, it is perceived, breeds a sense of victimisation in the youth, fuelling anger against the system. This anger needs an identifiable target, an enemy to blame his woes on. The British government's foreign policy allows this alienated youth to ascribe his individual misery to the global plight of Muslims—in itself an outcome of the actions of Big Powers. He feels the cause of the discrimination he experiences is a consequence of the state pursuing a blatant anti-Muslim agenda. For him, redemption lies in challenging and fighting the state—and a people who support it. Fantasies of vengeance overtake him.

And in Pakistan, far away from London, he finds the conducive environment to convert the angry expatriate's fantasy of vengeance into reality. "They come to Pakistan and exploit their linkages here," says Masood. "After all, there are people here who are still operating militant camps. There are safe sanctuaries as well as great sympathy for those indulging in jehadi activities."

No wonder, the bristling British citizen of Pakistani origin wings his way home, to prepare for the battle against his adopted country. Unlike any other place, he can justify his travel to Pakistan. "They keep coming to Pakistan to visit friends and family, and this is not something that we can stop. But they are now kept under surveillance...this is one way out," says General Shaukat Sultan, spokesperson for the President's office. It was in fact the surveillance by Pakistani intelligence which enabled them to track down Rashid Rauf, a British citizen, who subsequently spilled the beans about the terrorist plot in custody. Again, it's claimed here that it was Pakistani intelligence which intercepted the call to London asking the plotters to go ahead with the bombing.

In a way, British citizens of Pakistani origin have been coming here for jehadi training for many years now. But what has changed is the new target of their ire. As former ambassador Hussain Haqqani, who's worked closely with both Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif, points out, "What has changed now is that British jehadi recruits are not content with fighting in localised conflicts like Chechnya, Palestine, Bosnia or Kashmir. They are thinking of ways to bring the jehad to Britain and the United States, who they consider as major powers responsible for the misery of the world's Muslims."

Indeed, the Pakistani hand in future international terror plots will continue to surface as long as a terror infrastructure exists here. Says Haqqani, "Al Qaeda and its ilk still seem to think of Pakistan as a possible safe haven, notwithstanding the arrest of many individual terrorists here."

This impression about Pakistan as a safe haven persists because President Pervez Musharraf refuses to unequivocally eschew the terrorist option as far as Kashmir and Afghanistan are concerned. The current issue of English monthly Herald has the cover story, 'Waiting Game', based on its reporter's visit to Hizbul Mujahideen (HM) camps at Garhi Habibullah in the Frontier province. The reporter says the state has cut off funds to these camps; that inmates have little hope of crossing the LoC as handlers have asked them to cool their heels. The militants, however, have still not been dispersed.

The question now is: why hasn't the state dismantled these camps altogether? Former ISI chief, Gen Hamid Gul, says this is because the government's decision to cap terrorism is merely a short-term strategy. He argues, "When a soldier joins the Pakistan army, he is taught that India is the enemy and Kashmir is to be liberated. If you have abandoned Kashmir, you might as well abandon the army." Surely, Musharraf can't abandon the army, and logically therefore he can't abandon either the Kashmir issue or the militants.

The Herald also notes, "Apparently, more than a thousand trained militants from Indian-administered Kashmir are currently stranded in three HM camps in the Hazara region of the Frontier province alone.... Thousands of other militants find themselves similarly confined to camps run by half-a-dozen smaller Kashmiri groups or predominantly Pakistani outfits such as the LeT, Jaish-e-Mohammad, Harkat-ul Mujahideen and Al-Badr Mujahideen in the Frontier and Azad Kashmir. "

Even as these militants play the waiting game, many fear they will gradually integrate with Al Qaeda. It's only a matter of time and perhaps the right price before the 'gatekeepers' of global terrorism reach out to these idle militants and incorporate them into their international activities.

 

TERROR IN THE AIR
Whether or not there was an actual plan of attack, British Muslims stand convicted for perceived intention Updates
Sanjay Suri
TERROR IN THE AIR
10 steps to terror undone: How London claims it scuttled the plan
cover story
Tipped off trouble, airports are firming up as virtual bulwarks
Bhavna Vij-Aurora
PoK quake
Did quake relief efforts in PoK help members of UK charities bond with terror groups? And have relief funds been diverted to the latter?
COVER STORY
Sadly, the US and UK still gloss over terrorist attacks in India
V. Sudarshan
COVER STORY
Local terror outfits get an Al Qaeda connection, look to go global
Saikat Datta
 
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HAVE YOUR SAY
Aug 26, 2006 12:00 AM
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Please post only what's relevant to the issue under discussion-not personal pathologies
Bharath
Detroit, United States
Aug 25, 2006 12:00 AM
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Just an wordprocessing trick I guess we can use it in other articles


http://samulllaliberals...-news-worldwide_23.html
ANBanerjee
Newcastle, United Kingdom
Aug 25, 2006 12:00 AM
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>>members that this site is not regulated and views >>will not be deleted until some other member >>objects, it seems for Outlook some members on this >>forum are more equal than the others

And what makes you think that nobody would have objected to your messages that were deleted? I will take your word that your messages have been deleted, but since they have been deleted, I really do not know whether they were worth deletin g or not. But I was taught when young, that if I want people to be nice to me, I should be extra nice to them. Given what you write about someone at Outlook, if I were him or her, I would not only put you on my permanent "delete on sight" list.
Ajit Tendulkar
Seattle, United States
Aug 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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Azaad Fakir writes:

>>The only long term solution is re-converting all Muslims in S.E. Asia back to their original faith i.e. Hinduism.

At gunpoint, if necessary.......just to reinforce how violent their current faith is and how peaceful and liberal their prior faith is...animism isn't a viable option.
Old Mac
Wonderville, United States
Aug 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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Swaminathan: I agree with you. It is true that most moslems, especially of the sunni type, prefer to be maha-moodas instead of being mahaa-matheeyas. It is a sad situation. If only the mada-rasaas can be turned into mati-rasas ? When I was in US last year, I happened to read a book which said criminality rate in New York city came down sharply exactly 18 yrs after abortion was legalized, when destitute women stopped delivering babies into the street to grow up into criminal adults. Similarly, if all countries which are not 'islamic' in govt could form an association of secular states and force the islamic states to reform their madarsas, the effect can be seen after 18 years, if civilized world still survives at that time. In fact, teaching children that 'non-believers' can justifiably be killed, is against basic human rights, valid for all humanity. WE can only pray for wisdom to dawn where it is wanting..
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Aug 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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Bharath, Sundari et al.

Read Taslima's interview on the Telugu Portal where she has mentioned that Kamala Dass nee Surayya's disappointment in Islam and her mistake to convert to Islam.

Swaminathan
Chennai, India
Aug 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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Mr Seshadri:

I salute your knowledge of Sanskrit and in fact am envious of the same. But despite your experience you have not learnt much about Islam and what it stands for. I am much younger than you but have learnt a lot about Islam. Unfortunately all that you say and try to project of Islam is sheer waste of time. You cannot reason with people who refuse to see others' point of view. You cannot argue with a fanatic whose mind has been pre-programmed and is bereft of the god gifted (not Allah) intelligence. Over the years this ability to question and reason is eroded due to the fanatical and blind belief in their so called God sent holy book over a period of 23 years in bits and pieces to the so called Prophet Mohammed. Try teaching this cultist called muslim that all paths lead to God 'whether you call him Allah, Eshwar or Jesus (sounds familiar to us indians who have been brainwashed by our so called leaders) and I wouldn't be surprised if he harmed you physically.

You claim you see good in all religions. Can you see anything good in a religion that advocates killing all non-believers be it Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists etc. Please don't tell me I am quoting out of context as a typical muslim does.
Read Quran:

Chapter 98, ver Six, which does say that the unbelievers are the vilest of creatures, according to another translation the worst of creatures there.

But in chapter nine, which is generally considered by Islamic theologians to be the last or next to last chapter of the Koran to be revealed – the Koran is not arranged chronologically – and the last is – the last chapter is considered to be the Koran’s last word on these matters and what takes precedence over the rest in orthodox Islamic theology"

There are many violent verses in the Quran so this ploy of accusing all and sundry who quote these as 'Out of context' no longer holds water. For heaven's sake please do not compare any religion to Islam due the fundamental difference in that despite all the shortcomings in christianity, Jewish and Hindu religions have adjusted to accommodate modern times and none of these openly call for the killing of innocents as does the Quran. PERIOD
Swaminathan
Chennai, India
Aug 23, 2006 12:00 AM
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Chennai Swaminathan: I am more of a seer than spinner. I am not particularly a spokesman for Islam. I try to see the good elements of all religions and indicate that they are all fundamentally the same, directed towards a singular Absolute, approached from different directions. As a hindu, you may be aware of this anyway. I am an old fool on the wrong side of 70, may not be around very long. Just trying to put in some good word for the unity of all religions, which becomes rather obvious, when we look at them through the prism of the Sanskrit language. I just pointed out that liberal Islam need not be subservient to the jihadi mullahs running the madarsas. Similarly, liberal Christians need not be subservient to their conversionist clergy, interested in expanding the estates under the church. Conversion can be left to voluntary decisions by individuals. Hindus can be spiritual teachers of the whole world, if only they can get out of their casteism and its utilization in politics. Jews can learn to be less Shylockian in money-mindedness. Whether one says Krishnaaya namah, or Krishtaaya namah, or Allaakhyaaya namah, or yogavedyaaya namah, vaheegurave namah, buddhaaya namah, mahaaveeraaya namah and so on, in all these statements, the word ‘namah’ is the important thing, signifying the heart-felt modesty towards the Absolute in various names, [ekam sad vipraa bahudhaa vadanti], ‘the hrillajja’ which defines the word ‘religion’. I was only trying to point out that if all religions, including Islam, could get rid the egoistic/intolerant features in them by introspection, the world of humanity can converge on peace and real economic development as common goal for a human globe. If liberal Moslems understand this and assert it against the jihadis, terrorist training etc. could be stopped. Hence my attempts to bring out the basically good aspects of non-jihadi islam.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Aug 23, 2006 12:00 AM
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What is it about Pakistanis and jehad? A long, long history, going back to before the Taliban, of using fanatical Islam preached in political madrassas, to bring out the most base and violent aspects of the human personality.

They did it in Bangladesh in 1971. Those terror camps are of very, very long standing. Its probably like a family tradition now. Read about the Razakars in Bangladesh, and you'll see where the Al-Qaeda etc took their inspiration from.


http://www.muktadhara.net/page42.html


Sundari
Chennai, India
Aug 23, 2006 12:00 AM
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watch terrorism manual for 9/11


http://tinyurl.com/jtlbp


fine
delhi, India
Aug 23, 2006 12:00 AM
15
Who is this 'spinner' and spokesman for Islam Seshadri
Swaminathan
Chennai, India
Aug 23, 2006 12:00 AM
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"youth of this community are unemployed and not integrated into the British society. They feel completely alienated"

How long will these Islamic fanatics dish out this extraordinary excuse to the world. Why aren't the alienated Hindus, Black christians, buddhists etc. not resorting to suicide bombings. Blame is place on the West for Alqeda's growth, which is no doubt true but at the same time nobody forced Pakistan to support Taliban, shamefully only one of the three countries in the world to officially recognise the most barbaric govt. in the mid 1990's.

Pakistan is the epicentre of terrorism. No one can dispute this. But as Azaad Fakir states the US and UK will never accept this as long as it only affects India. Nobody will come to our rescue. Right now it's only a proxy war but soon the enemy will be emboldened to resort to full scale war.

We must take the fight into the enemy camp and destroy the enemy before the enemy destroys us.
Swaminathan
Chennai, India
Aug 22, 2006 12:00 AM
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Skdonweb is absolutely right.Countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh should be treated by the Intenational Community as the pariahs they truly are.

However the West ,in particular US and UK ,frankly don't give a tinker's damn about bringing them to book.

Instead of hiding behind the skirts of Blair and Bush ,we in India should boldly step up to the plate ,and take our own security and well -being into our own hands.

Extreme situations such as we face can only be countered by extreme measures. The political establishment should rise to the occasion and begin by :

1. declaring a full Internal Emergency .
2. professionalising the Intelligence establishment ,on a war footing.
3. declaring huge rewards for each militant nabbed-and delivering on such promises.
4. carrying out massive , unprecedented,armed force moblisations on both the Western and Eastern fronts. Hopefully ,this should put the fear of God into our 'friends ' on the other side of both borders.

Contrary to expectations the Western Establishments will not look askance at the prospect of a full scale war in the sub -continent.One can well imagine their Merchants of Death rubbing their hands in glee , and being absolutely beside themselves with joy, at the massive business opportunities this would open up for them.
Ranjith Thomas
Calcutta, India
Aug 22, 2006 12:00 AM
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the idea that terrorists are all from a single country , or that all belong to the same religion can be debated at length, but what cannot be denied is the plain simple fact that all this terror and thier exporters to shores far and wide have been nurtured by the very forces that are today trying to root them out. the turmoil and constant threat to life and peace that the world is facing today is a result of the skewed foreign policies of the powers that rose after the second world war particularly the u.s. . what we are seeing today is a mere begining to a world re-allignment of powers and centres of tropuble, and a prelude to another war on a global scale, with the sole difference that this time round instead of taking an independent stand, india seems to be ready to know-tow to the u.s.
ameetbhuvan
bhubaneswar, India
Aug 22, 2006 12:00 AM
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There is no doubt that US is also responsible for putting the infrastructure in place and then abandoning it. Had they done a clean-up operation after Russians left Afghansitan then this world would have been a better place. Blame it on the poor IQ of American Presidents.
Coming on to role of Pakistan - all our worst fears have come true. Pakistan has become world's largest exporter of terror to the entire world (and not just India). Though China is supporting Pakistan now, I believe that they are making the same mistake as US (did several years ago). Soon, China will also face the music. Countries like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Bangladesh must be isolated from the world community and bombed.
skdonweb
Bangalore, India
Aug 22, 2006 12:00 AM
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In full agreement with Jaleel of Lucknow. Islam is a great religion: ‘eeSe layam tvalam paSyet eeSalam eeSajam matam’ in Sanskrit, my favourite language. Islam is the eeSa-raama mata, the religion where only entunement with The Absolute is considered desirable and enjoyable, ramayati iti raamah. Like President Kakam, all Moslems can rise to spiritual liberal heights, if they follow their religion with their own interpretation, without enforcement by sectarian mullahs. I have no dislike for Urdu language. ‘oordhva-bhaashaa sowmya-bhashaa khanishThaa bhaarataatmaja’, urdu is a high-culture language, with high degrees of politeness of form of usage, it is the youngest of the language-daughters of Mother India, urdu is spoken only in India and erstwhile India of Pak/Bdesh.
Mahaamati mean great mind in Sanskrit, the name of Mohammed. Na-ayam bheetah iti nabhih, Nabhi stands for ‘fearless’. ‘paSye nabhim naayakam eeSalasya mahaamatim sowmya-gunaabhiraamam’ is what I have in praise of Mohammed. Moslem stands for mukta-sreemaan, a liberated and welfare-oriented person. Most Islamic words, when interpreted in Sanskrit, the mother of all lanuages, yield highly laudable explanations, bringing out the basically spiritual nature of islam as a religion. Unlike Judaism, which has produced Shylocks, the money-lenders, Islam bans charging of interests on loans.
Polygamy, permitted in Islam, was not meant for population-explosion, but for avoidance of female-destitution and prostitution in Arab-society in a difficult terrain, to enable all women to live with some equality of status. The concept of heaven or swarga is there in Hinduism also. Swayam gamyate iti swargah. In the zero-gravity region in the neighborhood of Jupiter[St.Peter for the Christians], powerful souls can cause formation of any substance, by appropriate unionization of the 272 elements of matter; Sricakra of tantra-vidya defines 272 yoginee-devatas. 72 of the most commonly required elements are indicated by Gabriel [devarshi naarada, gaapriyah = fond of singing ythe Lord’s praise] to Mohammed as the so-called 72 virgins helping good souls in heaven. A sexual interpretation of this is wrong, because females can also go to this heaven and have their desires fulfilled. They will then see the futility thereof and seek ultimate merger with the Absolute, the absolution, or moksha in Hindu parlance.
I think all people of all religions of the world live in harmony with good mutual understandings and non-hatred, if they take religion for what it should be: rite layam janayati iti, the means for entunement with the cosmic rhythm of the Singular Absolute, seen as Zeus by Greeks, Shiva/Vishnu by hindus, Hara/Allah by Moslems, Eesa/almighty by Christians and so on. Hindus and Moslems should have no fight, really, because: ‘Sivaalaye masootyaam ca hara-eva-ekah Chandra-moulih’, the common crescent on Siva’s head and mosque-top indicates that !

v.seshadri
chennai, india
Aug 22, 2006 12:00 AM
9
Inter alia, could it also not be reaction to their parents being the victims of a once popular sport call 'Paki-bashing'. To those who might remember ,this particular sport was to the White British lumpen what 'riding to hounds' was to their 'toffs'
Ranjith Thomas
Calcutta, India
Aug 22, 2006 12:00 AM
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PAKISTAN IS A FAILED STATE PERIOD. IT IS A STATE SPONSOR OF TERRORISM. ISI SPAWNS TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS.
ARVIND
ROCHESTER, United States
Aug 20, 2006 12:00 AM
7
>>>""They come to Pakistan and exploit their linkages here," says Masood. "After all, there are people here who are still operating militant camps. There are safe sanctuaries as well as great sympathy for those indulging in jehadi activities."

And if British born Pakistanis can do it, so can lost lunatics of other countries, including India. I'm beginning to think all visits to and fro should be stopped until these camps are dismantled. I can't believe the open way these folks talk about sending militants over the LOC.
Sundari
Chennai, India
Aug 20, 2006 12:00 AM
6
Saying that the terrorists are Britons and not Pakistanis does not absolve Pakistan. Many of them have histories of recent visits to Pakistan and attending jehadi camps. The fact that such camps still exist is sufficient proof of Pakistan's anti-terrorist stance being half-hearted and less than sincere. The fact that Muslim Britons are not strictly supervised during their visits to Pakistan is another indictment of Pakistani authorities.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Aug 20, 2006 12:00 AM
5
'The British government's foreign policy allows this alienated youth to ascribe his individual misery to the global plight of Muslims—in itself an outcome of the actions of Big Powers.'
But how does the foreign policy of Britain (or US) affect the second generation Muslims who were born and brought up in Britain? That is unless there is an ideology that binds all the disaffected Muslims together. This is what Tony Blair was referring to in his speech when he said that the unrest among Muslims has more to do with a common ideology than the cause of freedom e.g. in Kashmir or Chechnya.
Rajeev
Delhi, India
Aug 20, 2006 12:00 AM
4
Test, take it easy, no point would be served by quoting such reports because our old moron and his motley and muddled malcontent cohorts would start moaning about the Pakistani bus or train...or whatever the hell it is that they can't seem to get off.
Ajit Tendulkar
Seattle, United States
Aug 19, 2006 12:00 AM
3
Dear Marianna Babur, please tell Shrilleen that they were DUAL citizens. Not just Britons of Pakistani Origin but also Pakistanis of British Origin. Here's the link in the LA Times:


http://www.latimes.com/...tory?coll=la-home-world
test
test, American Samoa
Aug 19, 2006 12:00 AM
2
'The British government's foreign policy allows this alienated youth to ascribe his individual misery to the global plight of Muslims—in itself an outcome of the actions of Big Powers.'
But how does the foreign policy of Britain (or US) affect the second generation Muslims who were born and brought up in Britain? That is unless there is an idealogy that binds all the disafefcted Muslims together. This is what Tony Blair was refering to in his speech when he said that the unrest among Muslims has more to do with a common idealogy than the cause for freedom e.g. in Kashmir or Chechnaya.
Rajeev
Delhi, India
Aug 19, 2006 12:00 AM
1
The sworn slaves of Arab pigs are a threat to the world civilization. They should be wiped out by hook or by crook. Only Great W Bush, Tony Blair and to some extent Putin have shown the willingness to go after them. But other countries have to follow these great leaders of our time. The fight will be difficult as we cannot bomb a market place just because the we want to kill the flies carrying deadly virus.


jaleel
luknow, India
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