Opinion
Killing Them Softly
The circumstances within which our children and our youth are being brought up and educated reflect the most deplorable waste, indeed, destruction, of talent, of aspirations and of natural potential.
Education, Bertrand Russell remarked, is the key to the new world. In our political discourse, clichés regarding our children being the future of the nation, youth power, and India's burgeoning 'youth bulge' abound; but the profile of this great potential engine of growth and, more significantly, of civilisational development, is, with small exceptions, distressing. The circumstances within which our children and our youth are being brought up and educated reflect the most deplorable waste, indeed, destruction, of talent, of aspirations and of natural potential.

Over the past months, India's youth have been projected in stark relief through the media in circumstances that have been personally tragic for the protagonists, as in the current controversy over drug use among the affluent and powerful, or fruitlessly polarised, as in the unnecessarily provoked anti and pro-reservation demonstrations. These are certainly not the images that India, as a nation, would be tempted to project and publicise, and these are far from the worst aspects of the country's profile of youth.

The image that pleases us most at present is a tiny pool of dynamic youngsters coming out of a handful of premier educational institutions in the country, burning a trail of success in the IT, technical and business sectors, fuelling national 'great power' ambitions and creating small islands of great productivity and wealth in booming urban economies. This young population has certainly given the country much power and pride. But even this segment, overwhelmingly, is a class without significant social consciousness or commitment, seeking personal goals and personal advantage wherever (and often by whatever means) these can be found. This, nevertheless, is the tiny but dynamic fragment of India's vast population of youth.

Beyond them lies darkness.

Within what passes for the young 'elite', we find a significant population of the idle rich, conscienceless parasites who fuel the economy of corruption, crime and prurience in their frenetic search for titillation and endless, illusory, diversion. Then we have a generation of privileged inheritors, who lay claim to their parental legacies - financial and political - with little preparation or aptitude, but with great arrogance and sense of entitlement. Not all inheritors are, of course, sybaritic wastrels, and there is a small cohort among the privileged classes who have built enormously on their inherited legacies - but these remain the exceptions. Even among them, however, there is little vision. Their education has been practical or ornamental; seldom social or moral.

There are, of course, the middle classes and the fortunate few among the poor who are able, through a quirk of circumstances, to break through near-insurmountable barriers to acquire an education that allows them to become productive members of the community. In the main, however, their vision is exhausted by the imperatives of building the narrow material base of comfortable living that is the natural ambition of any among the first-generation that secures access to a modicum of affluence.

This is the minuscule human resource base - no more than a few hundreds of thousands among the many millions of children and youth in India - that currently has access to a meaningful education, one that prepares them for productive employment in the modern economy. As for the rest, there is the despair and hopelessness of most village or government schools, the permanent lack of skills, and a lifetime of uncertainty and apprehension on the forgotten margins of the economy. Many among them are joining the thuggeries of the extreme Left, the lumpen support-base of other political parties or movements, or the widening sphere of crime and disorder in the country. For the rest, there is only the consolation of fatalism or the dead-end of hopelessness.

From time to time, these millions are cheated with a false offer of special access to the better institutions in the country through reservations. But few of them have the capacities to cope, even if such access is provided at the expense of others, who are then left out. This may answer to some notion of 'social justice', but reflects a certain and personal injustice to those who are denied opportunities. In the interim, there is a precipitous decline in the entire educational infrastructure at all levels that has little to do with the controversy over reservations, but reflects "a much bigger crisis" in which India's premier institutions increasingly fail to secure candidates who meet their minimal standards for admission.

This much bigger crisis must secure the most urgent and massive attention if India is not only to maintain its current trends of growth, but indeed, even to survive. Absent a tremendous expansion of the educational infrastructure at all levels, and its most fundamental transformation in terms of the quality and content of instruction imparted and of facilities, tools and opportunities available, the entire network of national enterprises will be systematically eroded, and will eventually collapse. The future of a modern nation is defined by her schools, her universities, her technical institutions, her capacities to produce human resources with contemporary skill and abilities, and to create a visionary leadership that can mould the coming age. But this idea and these objectives have been lost in the cacophony of needless political debate rooted in ignorance.

The truth is, the ideal of an educated democracy, so powerfully articulated by Jawaharlal Nehru in the early years of Independence, appears to have been comprehensively abandoned. The many and great educational centres he created, and on which India's present reputation as an intellectual powerhouse is based, are in decline, and in some cases, terminal. Few have been added to those that were created under his guiding hand, and it is increasingly the case that a decent education is available only to those who are able to pay a most exorbitant price.

The teaching profession, at one time perhaps the most honoured, is becoming the refuge of - at best - the lazy, the easygoing and the unmotivated; and - at worst - of unemployable incompetents, failures and scoundrels. It is useful to recall that, in the greatest civilisations of history - including India's own at its cultural zenith - teachers were honoured above all others, and even emperors bowed to their moral authority. It was this honour, this position of unmatched privilege that attracted the best minds into the profession, and that created the intellectual profile and vision that could shape and fulfil the potential of the successor generation.

Where the teacher is not honoured; where the school and the university become shops; where pedagogy becomes a ritual that is forgetful of its own purpose; and where the educational sector is thought of as secondary or subordinate, cultures, civilisations and nations perish.


K.P.S.Gill is former director-general of police, Punjab. He is also Publisher, SAIR and President, Institute for Conflict Management. This article was first published in The Pioneer.

 
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HAVE YOUR SAY
Jun 16, 2006 12:00 AM
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You are right with your views on the present generation which is becomming expendible this every one knows about reads about and writes about
but no one tells about what to do exactly by the young generation as a youth i am always concerned on what i have to do any where i go there is competition so we trying our best to compete sometime we may win but many times we fail even though we are doing our best many say that we never work hard this is not fair
please suggest a way where we can develop in a useful way to ourself to family to society to nation
tejeswar varma
hyderabad, India
Jun 16, 2006 12:00 AM
44
Bhushan,

Good ideas there. If these kinds of things work that will be great. Probably when India become a bit more richer we will see more and more of these collaborations. Anyway, if the equipments were too outmoded there was nothing that prevented some of these faculty from doing theoretical work. I really think those places you mention, DRDO and other research labs (the temples of modern India) have proven themselves bad value for money. But who knows with more development things will change.
Prasanth
Cochin, India
Jun 16, 2006 12:00 AM
43
about laws, i am not sure if drdo will be allowed to collaborate with varsities.
bhushan
richmond, United States
Jun 16, 2006 12:00 AM
42
hi prashant,

i certainly wont suggest cutting funds meant for primary education to enhance research in universities. no way. as you said, that will only compound the the problems we already have.

but consider this.. resarch orgs like drdo, prl, isro etc, if collaborate with universities, it will (rather might) change things. some of these orgs are clogged as such. why not offload compartmentalized work to universities. compartmentalization will ensure that secrecy is not compromised.

i will disagree on the faculty not doing a good job. may be it depends on the institute they work for. all the old profs in my coll, who had joined in the 60s and 70s, they were the ultra fundoo types. some of them had designed railway bridges and all. and i am sure that the faculty at iits are atleast as good if not better.
if you will take this as my "attempt at refuting you by citing one instance", then i have no more to say.
otherwise read on.
the equipment they have in my coll is from 60s and 70s. ancient boilers and heat engines... todays research cannot be performed on those!!! the electrical dept had 8086 processors to work on!! when the world has already moved to 64-bit computing at pc level. so it is not that they are not utilizing the equipment to full potential. the available equipment is usless except for demonstrating the basic workings of engines or processors. as a result those interested in innovation move away from teaching to industry (or institutes abroad) where they have access to infrastructure.

to provide for better teaching infrastructure, the govt can levy some sort of cess.. the middle class can surely afford to pay something like 20-50 Rs a month. and if the results are seen, they might even stop whinning about the extra cess :-)
bhushan
richmond, United States
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
41
Bhushan,

Contrary to your perception there are no laws that prevent university level faculty in India doing quality research and use opportunity to do research as a motivating tool to continue teaching. It is another matter that they don't do a good job of it (if you have to refute this point by pointing out one particular instance of Indian research achievement it doesn't prove much other than confirming my position). Of course it is true that we don't have a lot of money to spare in getting cutting edge advanced equipment to do work on some of the research problems, the fact that the available equipments are not utilized to their full potential suggests that we look somewhere else for the solutions. If as you say, we invest a lot of money in university research at the expense of primary and secondary education we will be creating a new problem to moan about in the future rather than solving an existing problem. (This is something that was already done in the past in India by Nehru's dedication of temples of modern India to the nation and see at what state these temples are now).

If you are looking for a solution consider realities (especailly economic constraints), past experiences, and our own abilities.
Prasanth
Cochin, India
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
40
prashant,

i would agree with your arguments for the primary and secondary level education. but not for university level. may be for your benefit i should put up a disclaimer stating that i am talking only about university level teaching.
from the contents, i presume most would understand the context of including the research at universities.

quality of education, both teaching and learning, at universities is directly correlated with the research happening there. that was the point i tried to make, which you failed to notice.
the whole point of discussion, i think is, why teaching couldnt attract talented people.
the answer lies in what does teaching profession offer? nothing besides a modest pay.. if more research could be done in the universities, there would be more opportunities and money.. and that would undoubtedly attract better people to this profession. all this at university level..

for primary and secondary level schooling, i have no opinions to offer. but then "i" dont think primary schooling is all that difficult for the students to pick up by themselves. this is solely my opinion.

what say you?


as for primary and secondary level
bhushan
richmond, United States
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
39
Bhushan,

If you failed to notice till now, we are not discussing about research at Universities but about primary and secondary education at schools and quality of teaching at universities. Probably reading what someone writes a bit more closely with a view to understand the main point being made will help you in this. If scouring through the text to find some lines which you can object to and thus demonstrate your cleverness, wisdom and reading incomprehension serves some personal purpose go ahead and continue to do the same.
Prasanth
Cochin, India
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
38
errata - in the last post, "both these are all teachers"..

should be "both these are teachers".
bhushan
richmond, United States
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
37
prashant writes ::: ......Teachers donot produce any products that can be sold in the markets for immediate economic benefit to society......
.....Non-economic benefits are the only things the society can offer them. .....


wrong..
in western countries, atleast in america, they
are engaged in cutting edge research. all sorts of it - govt funded, private sector, defense related, space science ... u name it, they would be doing it. they get to keep a cut from teh total research grant, which often runs into million of dollars.
so you see, there is a rather big monetary incentive, the job-satisfaction factor and last and the least - all the non economic benefits you mention.

encouraging research in the educational institution will bring in a lot of money and cutting edge research, a very important factor in engaging talent. this will go a loong way in attracting best minds to this field.

i am personally aware of one of my prof's research work forming the backbone of american navy's ECM system and the same prof's work reinventing the air traffic control system. these works are of immediate benefit.
and all this from just a part of one prof's work.

then there is this porf who designed the worlds 3rd fastest super computer.

both these are all teachers... and indians!!!
bhushan
richmond, United States
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
36
Shankar,

I am not convinced by your arguments that if teachers salaries are increased (I don't think in givernment schools it is too low as you seem to indicate) Indian education system will transform itself into a wonder.

Defense spending and education spending: In India most of the education spending is done by state governments not union govt. Barring a few exceptions most of these state govts. are near bankruptcy and if teacher salary is increased they will go into total bankruptcy. As far as defense spending, it is a necessity of times. If India is negotiating a treaty or favorable trade terms or any other diplomatic activities, the leverage Indian diplomats have on setting terms will depend on how mighty Indian military power is not how well paid Indian teachers are. It is easy to blame one thing as the cause of failures in another thing. This serves no purpose.

Monetary vs other incentives: I don't think there is anything wrong or unfortunate in offering social incentives not economic incentive to be a teacher. I don't think having a lot of money is the only path to happiness and satisfaction in this life. If a profession such as teaching demands people to be working in an environment which does not show immediate results or rewards of their work, it is better to attract people with a different perspective on life in such a profession. Having three moths of paid vacation, not having a boss ordering around and pointing out mistakes constantly, not having to worry about the company going bankrupt and losing job, having fixed short working hours, and the ability to feel that you are making a difference in the minds of the students under your charge etc. are not exactly a bad tradeoff for a few thousand more rupees.
Prasanth
Cochin, India
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
35
Prasanth - "If we pay teachers handsomely India will go bankrupt.."

Indias Defence expenditure this year is Rs.89,000 crores compared to Rs.25,000 crores on Education, which includes capital expenditure.(ref:Current years budget allocations).So even if you double all the teachers salary it will cost you less than another 20,000 crores.This was the approximate rise in Defence expenditure in last three years!! So peanuts for GOI..

"It takes years for the teaching products, the future citizens, to become useful.."

You are right..So it is the duty of the Society to recognise this long term value addition..and not to have a myopic view.

"nowhere in the world is it the most monetarily rewarding profession.."

Right..but it is also true that nowhere else is the rewards as Pathetic as it is in India..The difference in salaries between a IT professional and a Professor in a College in US will be marginal,unlike India. Besides we don't have to follow wrong practices of other countries..

"are the things dangled before teachers by more advanced societies to make them stick with the profession. .."

Unfortunate isn't it ? If We have to use subterfuge to make a Teacher stick to his profession , instead of making his Job more rewarding and exciting.
shankar
Mumbai, India
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
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Shankar,

If we pay teachers handsomely India will go bankrupt. For all the nobilities of teaching profession, nowhere in the world is it the most monetarily rewarding profession. Teachers donot produce any products that can be sold in the markets for immediate economic benefit to society. It takes years for the teaching products, the future citizens, to become useful.

Non-economic benefits are the only things the society can offer them. Long summer vacations, a lot of freedom and less personal interference in their work, short working hours, job security, a lot of idealism that they are doing a great noble service to the nation etc. are the things dangled before teachers by more advanced societies to make them stick with the profession.
Prasanth
Cochin, India
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
33
old mac writes :::: SAT tests only on writing, critical reading and math; any subject matter is deemed irrelevant to predict their success. That is the only common stick of measurement of all applicants. They take grades, kind of electives you took, extracurricular and volunteer activities and interview into the overall admission decision
even by changing the evaluation system, not much will change. the reasons being..
1) the inteneded beneficiaries of the quota will not have any improved chance of qualifying. more or less the same pool of students will qualify
2) it doesnt address the issue of quality of teachers.
3) though not significant, it calls for privatization of education, which the gove seems in no mood to allow.
and even the american education system will fail select few institutes are coveted by a population of 1 bb.

the only way to improve the quality of education is to make teaching more lucrative, both in terms of monetary benefits and in terms of job satisfaction.
right now only loosers, who dont get handsome paying jobs end up in teaching. this is not my unique experienc. but that of most engineering colleges. and if this is the unenviable condition of engg colleges, i cant imagine that of the regular science/arts colleges.




mac:::::We have had the same culture for thousands of years. Nothing changed with independence. It's the culture that is the main culprit for poor standing in the Human Development Index. However, I suspect we will always disagree on that."

now i dont agree that the same culture was prevalent for 1000s of years. the culture has been constantly changing. pre islamic culture was a lot more knowledge oriented, as indicated by the literature, science, math, astronomy etc that can be attributed to those times.
the decay began to creep in with the advent of arabian invasions. they destroyed anything and everything from the preislamic era. the british further plundered and destroyed the vocational skill.
i dont know how you got to measure the HDI of all those times, that you make the sweeping statement about poor eternal HDI.

the evil of casteism has been there, but that alone is not the measure of hdi. i wont even argue that it was not present in the pre-british era.


bhushan
richmond, United States
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
32
Old Mac - "My launderer doesn't need a sense of calling…"

Every individual who wants to be the best in his chosen profession, has a sense of calling, including your launderer. That will be the differentiator between him and 100 other launderers in your city. Same reason why some Restaurants have huge crowds waiting to get in, although others also serve edible and healthy food i.e. competent in your terms.

" poor pay reflects their poor results. "

Poor results are becuase of poorly paid teachers,with poorly mapped career paths, selected from a poor pool of talent, struggling in very poor working conditions.

The soloution is to hire the best, improve the working conditions, Pay them handsomely and then hold them accountable for the results.
shankar
Mumbai, India
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
31
Prasanth writes:

>>Still, if someone is acting as a leader initiating a change it is better to increase the self-esteem of the people by telling them they can do it and give them an optimistic vision of the future.

Our problem is not lack of self-esteem. It's nonrecognition of problems right in front of our eyes.

>>If you have to blame something blame the past for all you want while realizing that the self-esteem and confidence of people are tied to the present.

Any self-esteem worth having is earned through accomplishments. To accomplish anything significant, we need to define and prioritize problems. There is no consensus on what the problems are; most tend to focus on symptoms such as population, corruption, government instead of causes.
Old Mac
Wonderville, United States
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
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Mr Gill seems to represent one of those Indians who on getting the newspaper goes through all the grisly news about the latest murders, rape, arson, treachery and so on.. and go on about the decay of the world and what it is coming to. No, he doesn’t fail to read about the boy who risked his life to save a stranger or similar stories reflecting that for all its evils we have within us a fundamental decency which given sufficient information and incentives will make its presence felt more and more and make this world much more livable. On reading these good stories he just mutters between his teeth about this particular boy or that particular good act when he takes a break from his howling about the unjust world.

This is contrasted with an idyllic past when everyone lived a happy contended life of values, morals, respect, achievement and so on.. while conveniently forgetting that unless some drastic disaster happened between this idyllic past and present, the present should reflect those values very strongly.

I am not saying that Indian education system is one of the marvels of the world (on the contrary I think it is one of the worst and I think had a lot of Indians been not processed through this system, they would still be what they are now for all the good and bad). Still, if someone is acting as a leader initiating a change it is better to increase the self-esteem of the people by telling them they can do it and give them an optimistic vision of the future. If you have to blame something blame the past for all you want while realizing that the self-esteem and confidence of people are tied to the present. If there was a leader in history who achieved great things by drilling into his followers how unworthy and incompetent they are I would like to read about him.
Prasanth
Cochin, India
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
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Old Mac
Wonderville, United States
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
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>> "We have had the same culture for thousands of years."

Again a sweeping statement. If you cut down on hyperbole and the condescending attitude for all things Indian, you might actually make a good point sometime.

Forget thousands of years, I find a huge change within the last 10-15 years. People are much more hopeful, enthusiastic and determined to improve their lives. They are much more willing to take risks. In the previous generation, people tended to stick to one job for security, even if they didn't enjoy it or were aware that avenues for growth are limited. Parents based in metros (people in small towns or rural areas often didn't have much choice) were reluctant to send their children (particularly daughters) to other places for education or jobs. So many of these attitudes have undergone such a transformation in a relatively short time. I wonder if you don't see this change, or don't want to see it.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
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>> "You ought to stop projecting your own experience as typical without additional facts."

I doubt your statement
"Indian parents don’t understand valuable lessons that sports, individual and team, teach."

is based on profound research or solid facts. At least I qualified myself by saying "large number" rather than the sweeping statement that you make.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
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Shakar writes:

>>>>but even more important is a sense of calling to the profession. "

>>Agreed , but isn't it true for all professions?

Not all. Most professions only call for competence. My launderer doesn't need a sense of calling…he just needs to clean and press my shirts without damaging them.

>>>>"The teaching profession is still subject to the market forces of supply and demand."

>>Exactly..you will have a much bigger and better pool of talent to chose from, only if it was more lucrative.

If people are paid according to results they produce, current teachers in general, are vastly overpaid. In other words, poor pay reflects their poor results.
Old Mac
Wonderville, United States
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
25
Al writes:

>>I strongly feel that the culture we inflicted upon ourselves soon after independence, where money and profit were considered bad, rich people were portrayed as evil, and ambition and enterprise were considered undesirable qualities, stifled us over all these years.

We have had the same culture for thousands of years. Nothing changed with independence. It's the culture that is the main culprit for poor standing in the Human Development Index. However, I suspect we will always disagree on that.
Old Mac
Wonderville, United States
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
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Al writes:

>>>> "Indian parents don’t understand valuable lessons that sports, individual and team, teach."

>>On the contrary, a large number of Indian parents are aware and keen of providing a well rounded education to their kids. I still remember my father taking me to swimming lessons every morning in the peak summer months. The closest pool was about 5 km away, and we didn't have a two wheeler then.

You ought to stop projecting your own experience as typical without additional facts.
Old Mac
Wonderville, United States
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
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Bhushan writes:

>>sure these factors- the testing of concepts- are not taken into account at the time of admission to these schools. But it is practically impossible to evaluate so many applicants at such an indepth level. the test scores, though not the best indicators, are statistically optimal.
would surely like to hear counter arguments to these.

I was responding to your question about student evaluation methodology. This is how students are tested from 1st grade and up. Their entire school record is based on such extensive and repeated testing in all their subjects. As for college admissions, SAT tests only on writing, critical reading and math; any subject matter is deemed irrelevant to predict their success. That is the only common stick of measurement of all applicants. They take grades, kind of electives you took, extracurricular and volunteer activities and interview into the overall admission decision.

I remember having a tough time in high school physics. Despite my dad riding my back about it, there was no improvement in my scores. Frustrated, he resolved to tutor me himself though he had no physics background. He opened up the chapter on Newtonian Mechanics and asked "Vat ear did Sir Issac Newton die?" Visibly irritated, I snatched the book back saying, "If I am going to flunk, I will do it on my own." I think most of Indian testing is on the same level of inanity.
Old Mac
Wonderville, United States
Jun 15, 2006 12:00 AM
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Prakash writes:

>>Even though it only scratches at the surface, the concept of practical exam exists. However, it serves no useful purpose to the majority…

Your anecdote of using color as a clue to distinguish between animal and plant cell strengthens my argument. The microscope slides are stained for improved visibility. Needless to say such color doesn’t exist naturally. What mattered was your ability to know, observe and judge the characteristic differences between animal and plant cell-walls. Your high score didn't reflect your ignorance about their distinction…without stained slides as a color crutch. Either way, that pedagogical method wasted everyone’s time and resources. Worse yet, not only did you remain ignorant of the topic, it also drained you of any interest in it.

Plant cells have large vacuoles. They also have thick cell walls made of cellulose, a sugar humans can’t break down either mechanically or chemically…Animal cells have neither; some of the Biology that I learned from over 20 years ago (with no subsequent contact) in a different pedagogical philosophy and methodology. I say it drive home my point and not to boast as a child.
Old Mac
Wonderville, United States
Jun 14, 2006 12:00 AM
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al and shankar,

good points there.. it would be interesting to see what points mac would have to counter all these.
bhushan
richmond, United States
Jun 14, 2006 12:00 AM
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Old Mac - " but even more important is a sense of calling to the profession. "

Agreed , but isn't it true for all professions ? When there are better paying options, those who can , will use the market forces to get them, more so if they are toppers.

"a sense of purpose that they are critical players that determine the trajectory of our civilization..."

Sounds good and very poetic but a Society which does not recognise this and pays a college drop out more than his teacher is totally skewed IMO. If we agree this is a critical position, why not upgrade the Perks / benefits / salaries for teachers ?

"The teaching profession is still subject to the market forces of supply and demand."

Exactly..you will have a much bigger and better pool of talent to chose from, only if it was more lucrative. Now the choice is limited mostly to people who couldnot make it otherwise.
shankar
Mumbai, India
Jun 14, 2006 12:00 AM
19
Old Mac - " I can’t think of a major theoretical or application break-through in any significant field that is native to India..."


1.Param Padma Super Computer ,
http://www.cdac.in/html/parampma.asp
, developed indigenously to beat the emabargo from US on Cray Super computers

2.Insugen - INSUGEN is the world's first recombinant human (r-DNA) insulin using a unique technique Pichia Expression.

http://www.biocon.com/b..._details.asp?Fileid=143


3.http://www.ncl-india.org/aboutncl/Potent_Research.pdf

Notice the increasing number of patent applications by Indian Scientists and Indian Companies.

There will be many more such examples..
shankar
Mumbai, India
Jun 14, 2006 12:00 AM
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>> "I can’t think of a major theoretical or application break-through in any significant field that is native to India."

Possible. Guess most of us are not qualified to pass a judgement on this. Maybe some of us have expertise in some field to know that, but even that domain shall be very exclusive.

>> "Indians who do well working for others in other countries only reinforces my point."

Indians are doing pretty well working for themselves too in other countries (and increasingly in India too). I believe that more than education, it is a reflection of culture. Thinking big & positive, ability to have and follow a vision and take risks are some of the attributes of leadership. For too long, Indian enterprise was stifled under the socialistic jargon and lofty talk about PSUs. There was an article by Swami Aiyer in TOI some time back about Mittal Steel. In that he was detailing some of the ways by which Laxmi Mittal turned around many loss making steel plants around the world. These were being led by American and European managers, and were running in loss. After the takeover, he fired many of them, and brought in Indian managers with experience in SAIL (a largely inefficient organization). In their new roles, they were hugely successful.

I strongly feel that the culture we inflicted upon ourselves soon after independence, where money and profit were considered bad, rich people were portrayed as evil, and ambition and enterprise were considered undesirable qualities, stifled us over all these years. Only now are we coming out of that self imposed problems. Technical and economic success shall spawn a more confident generation, that shall produce better leaders than the earlier ones.

>> "We are talking about impact of education in India."

My statement was in response to yours about the Indian best being not upto world class standards. Specifically, you wrote

"I would argue even the best and the brightest are not up to world-class standards."

I feel they are, but it's subjective, and I guess we shall continue to disagree on that.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Jun 14, 2006 12:00 AM
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>> "Indian parents don’t understand valuable lessons that sports, individual and team, teach."

On the contrary, a large number of Indian parents are aware and keen of providing a well rounded education to their kids. I still remember my father taking me to swimming lessons every morning in the peak summer months. The closest pool was about 5 km away, and we didn't have a two wheeler then. I was not allowed to bike on the main streets then. So, he biked me to the pool everyday, so that I may learn to swim. Both me and my brother can recount several such stories, as I am sure can a large number of people on this board.

The problem is that the few excellent institutes in India don't give any credit for non-academic achievements, and the competition is extremely tough (probably toughest in the world). Except for the privileged ones like Rahul Gandhi, others have to choose between academics and other interests.

As for institutes giving credit for non-academic excellence, I think some universities do (heard that Bombay Univ does. Maybe people from Bombay can confirm). More should, and I hope that they do. Problem is the huge subjectivity in evaluating such excellence. We are expert at finding loopholes in existing provisions, and the year these changes are introduced, there shall be charges of nepotism (many true).

One of the reasons the elite institutes have managed to remain elite is that there are virtually no charges of nepotism. We may ruin that while trying to fix it.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Jun 14, 2006 12:00 AM
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mac, bear with the grammar of singular and plural and the spellings.. the size of the text box does nto make a review worthwhile.
bhushan
richmond, United States
Jun 14, 2006 12:00 AM
15
old mac. that was a good bit of writing.

let me go point by point,

old mac writes
Therefore, we must stop seeing students as passive receptacles into which teachers deposit their own patchy “knowledge."


true. but there are different stages of education. the student first has to become a technicians before they go on to become leaders. without knowing hte basics, they cant jump to leadership. that is why we have 3-4 different stages of education- bachelors level, masters level and doctoral level.
at the ug level, the essense of the curriculum is understanding the technicalities and being able to perform. at masters and doctoral level, the leadership parts comes into picture. The world around a BS has more than enough MS and PhD to allow leadership, ofcourse there are exceptions to every rule, but in general this is what happens in real world.
And also in general, only those capable of leadership, in the chosen field, go over to the next level and become leaders. The incapable, inspite of going over to the next level, are not able to become leaders.


old mac writes
Never test concepts in the abstract. Always test concepts via concrete examples and scenarios. In other words, student gets little or no credit to merely regurgitate a concept in the abstract. He gets some credit if he RECOGNIZES a concept in a concrete example or scenario. He gets more credit if he can EXPLAIN how the concept applies in a given example to a hypothetical grandma. He gets even more credit if he APPLIES it in a novel circumstance with some nuance. Finally, He gets all the credit if he RECOGNIZES, EXPLAINS, APPLIES, and MANIPULATES it with most of its nuances and subtleties in novel and challenging circumstances.

this is what happens today also, but on a relative scale. students simply regurgitating gets marks but little recognition. those recognizing concepts will definitely get more recognition so on and so forth. finally those who RECOGNIZES, EXPLAINS, APPLIES, and MANIPULATES certainly get maximum recognition. and recognition generally means credits. to exemplify this we can consider the example of the process of applying ot american universities after btec. scoring well in btec and gre all can do. but the amount of research that one has done reflects the quality of recommendatoins one gets, and that decides the grad school admits.

and all this happens even today. atleast in the institute i and my friends studied - RECs, IITs

sure these factors- the testing of concepts- are not taken into account at the time of admission to these schools. But it is practically impossible to evaluate so many applicants at such an indepth level. the test scores, though not the best indicators, are statistically optimal.
would surely like to hear counter arguments to these.
bhushan
richmond, United States
Jun 14, 2006 12:00 AM
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>> Always test concepts via concrete examples and scenarios.

Even though it only scratches at the surface, the concept of practical exam exists. However, it serves no useful purpose to the majority. I remember my Class 10 botany practical exams in TN which involved identifying a given cell as either a plant or an animal cell. During the academic year, after many trips to the biology lab, I and my friends were unable to come to grips what exactly the whole cell-wall business was. We considered the lab assistant a divine incarnation when he revealed that plant cell would have an element of pink colour (if I remember correctly!). With this key information, we were confident of facing the practical exams. On the D-day, I remember trying hard to identify the colour scheme and at one moment even thought that I had gone colour blind. After I spent a few seconds cursing the school for using trying to use out dated microscopes and for the poor ventilation, I identified a faint pink patch and then the rest was a test of my memory. A quick glance around the hall revealed smiling faces which meant that everyone had managed to crack the colour code. I scored full marks in the practical exam (everyone in the class did) but vowed never to attempt studying biology again in my life. I do now and find the process more enriching but somehow feel that learning it at school would have been much more productive.

regards
prakash
Sydney, Australia
Jun 14, 2006 12:00 AM
13
Bhushan writes:

>>please share with us what your ideas about the new philosophy are. what fundamental changes are you suggesting?

The main purpose of education is to create independent thinkers, who know how to teach themselves and can express themselves with clarity and coherence. Without these things, they will be only good as technicians, as talented as they may be, capable of productivity only under others’ direction. Therefore, we must stop seeing students as passive receptacles into which teachers deposit their own patchy “knowledge." Next, the seriousness of the learning enterprise has to be reinforced at every level….including cleanliness, presentability, punctuality, intolerant of excuses. Every activity must mutually reinforce intended pedagogical purpose clearly. Brains are never to be on auto-pilot…for either the teacher or student. We need to start paying attention to the clear links between physical, nutritional and emotional components to learning and having self-confidence as students and ultimately as people. While these observations hardly constitute a philosophy, they are essential constituents of a meaningful one.

>>in earlier posts you have often mentioned that we need to change the way students are evaluated. could be a little more specific, for we, atleast i, lack your vision.

Never test concepts in the abstract. Always test concepts via concrete examples and scenarios. In other words, student gets little or no credit to merely regurgitate a concept in the abstract. He gets some credit if he RECOGNIZES a concept in a concrete example or scenario. He gets more credit if he can EXPLAIN how the concept applies in a given example to a hypothetical grandma. He gets even more credit if he APPLIES it in a novel circumstance with some nuance. Finally, He gets all the credit if he RECOGNIZES, EXPLAINS, APPLIES, and MANIPULATES it with most of its nuances and subtleties in novel and challenging circumstances. This ladder effect will tell the teacher where to concentrate efforts and objectively evaluates the breadth and depth of a student’s mastery of the topic. If his acquaintance of the concept is through concrete examples, he can be tested in any one of 10,000 ways and he will nail it every single time. It also quickly identifies students who can do little else other than memorize.
Old Mac
Wonderville, United States
Jun 14, 2006 12:00 AM
12
Shankar writes:

>>For example, the starting salary for a Teacher in a Government School is less than 5,000 rupees / month where as an english speaking college dropout can earn more than 15,000 / month in a BPO.

I agree that money is a part, but not all, of it. Money will motivate some; but even more important is a sense of calling to the profession. While teachers do have to eat, live dignified lives and have some economic security, after those minimum are met, they need something more, something poetic and something that captures their imagination: a sense of purpose that they are critical players that determine the trajectory of our civilization. Needless to say, that sense must be authentic and not just some sunshine up their ass. Only then they will have sufficient motivation for the long haul.

>>IMO , the salary and perks / benefits for the Teachers / Professors should be highest in the country amongst all professions, so that the best of the talent is attracted to teaching.

The teaching profession is still subject to the market forces of supply and demand.
Old Mac
Wonderville, United States
Jun 14, 2006 12:00 AM
11
Part I of II

Al writes:

>>You have been making this point about narrow education and the Indian techies not being good enough against the best in the world for a while now. Was wondering what are you basing this on?

I am not saying they aren’t good. I am just saying they aren’t leaders. I can’t think of a major theoretical or application break-through in any significant field that is native to India. Indians who do well working for others in other countries only reinforces my point. They are great at adding at the margin, perhaps even important contributions. However, it happens only when the entire enterprise is conceived and administered outside our culture. Inside, the only functioning teams are hierarchical resulting in less than full contribution by everyone. In voluntary teams, too many fragile egos and too many hurt feelings mean the group’s goal gets quickly forgotten. As I always say, “too many chiefs, not enough Indians.”

We have a retarded conception of leadership; we think it is ordering people around and having them cower in our presence. By leadership I don’t mean an expertise in a narrow field. The leaders we do find were haphazardly discovered rather than carefully and deliberately nurtured. Here’s a corporate inspirational saying: "A true leader has the confidence to stand alone, the courage to make tough decisions, and the compassion to listen to the needs of others. He does not set out to be a leader, but becomes one by the quality of his actions and the integrity of his intent. In the end, leaders are much like eagles...they don't flock, you find them one at a time."

Notice none of it has to do with subject matter expertise and completely alien to our instinct. Our educational philosophy and methodology fails to nurture these qualities and strives for opposite qualities. Instead, we gravitate towards the comfort of a group, approval of others, fear of decisions, scared to make mistakes and rarely pursue integrity for its own sake. When it is pursued, it is usually in expectation of financial or reputation benefits.

How many of the people who go through the educational system can truly relate to: "The highest courage is to dare to be you in the face of adversity. Choosing right over wrong, ethics over convenience, and truth over popularity…these are the choices that measure your life. Travel the path of integrity without looking back, for there is never a wrong time to do the right thing."? Practically none.
Old Mac
Wonderville, United States
Jun 14, 2006 12:00 AM
10
Part II of II

>>I agree that education in some of our best institutes is limited in scope, being mostly technical in nature. Moreover, due to the extremely high competition, a large number of students miss out on a number of activities that shall make for a more complete personality even during their final years of school.

That’s my point. The criteria for winning the competition ought to be changed to encourage a broad based liberal education, extra curricular activities including sports. Indian parents don’t understand valuable lessons that sports, individual and team, teach. In all sports, ideas such as hard work, dedication, persistence, accomplishment, pushing oneself to the limit, excellence and winning are internalized by young brains without a single preachy lecture. In team sports, they learn to be part of a team, a contribution ethic, following lead at appropriate times, balancing personal goals and team success. Such lessons are worth infinitely more, in my opinion, than getting first rank in any entrance exam. Besides, even Greeks knew vigorous body is prerequisites for a vigorous mind.

Not a concrete suggestion, but as a discussion item, I think dropping the entrance exam weight to 25% of the decision may realign the incentives and give book knowledge its appropriate weight. Other factors could be breadth of education, sports, volunteer & charitable activities. The unrelenting message should be: get off your ass, get in the game (of life).

>>That said, even in places that offer a more diverse education with choice of courses in a multitude of streams, most students shall do a very limited set of courses outside their core subjects. Given sufficient interest, such knowledge can be pursued later in life,

The way college curriculum is designed in the U.S., you need to know a little about a lot of things and lot about few things. Regardless of your major, almost all students end up taking the same courses two of the four years in college: humanities, social sciences, fine arts, physical education, hard sciences etc. The pressures of life will take over and there will never be enough time to “pursue later in life.” Moreover, without this firm grounding, their career is hobbled from the start with ever looming threat of obsolescence.

>>Regarding the best of us not being world class, that is extremely subjective. I guess by some standards, like leadership in industry, research, academics, one would say that Indians are doing very well in the technical field (I am restricting myself to IT in US)…

We are talking about impact of education in India. The tails have only limited effect for good or ill. For impact, we have to move the average or more accurately, the median, uninfluenced by outliers. Now that I think of it, that’s a great, organizing principle for the whole country, “move the median”; it reminds me of the entire organizing principle of the German automaker BMW: “Beat Benz.” Elegant, simple and powerful.
Old Mac
Wonderville, United States
Jun 13, 2006 12:00 AM
9
Sir,
Thank you you for your erudite and hard hitting
articles. India is awash in the myopic euphoria of
the 'New economy' that we are refusing to
acknowledge the fundamental failures of our
education system. A country that does not educate
a majority of its young people cannot aspire for
anything, leave alone super power status. India is trying to ride on the backs of the limited but impressive technological miracle. But if we dont address the largely illiterate masses, we will be doomed for a certain failure.
Meera Jagannathan
College Station, United States
Jun 13, 2006 12:00 AM
8
old mac >>>> Gill’s comments are sobering even though they are only pallid echoes of my previously posted views here.

are you trying to suggest that kps gill took inspiration from your posts ??? and, even that he could do only in a pallid way...WOW

you should be called "old MODEST mac"....

old mac>>>> "We cannot institute any wholesale structural reform until we reform how we educate the teachers themselves" ... another statement based on the assumption that all humans have the same intellectual/performance potential. i am NOT claiming that this potential is teh prerogative of certain castes, but all humans DONT have same poetential.
the problem is only about not having good people in teaching. no reform to 'teacher education' methodology is going to change anything unless there are good people in the teaching profession. and the only way to do that is making teaching more lucrative.

old mac >>> "The really hard part is reorienting our educational philosophy and methodology"

please share with us what your ideas about the new philosophy are. what fundamental changes are you suggesting?
in earlier posts you have often mentioned that we need to change the way students are evaluated. could be a little more specific, for we, atleast i, lack your vision.
bhushan
richmond, United States
Jun 13, 2006 12:00 AM
7
Teaching as a Career Option is not at all lucrative in India.( And yes..the days of The Gurukul are over, so money is important)

For example, the starting salary for a Teacher in a Government School is less than 5,000 rupees / month where as an english speaking college dropout can earn more than 15,000 / month in a BPO.

You will not find any topper at the +2 level even thinking of teaching as an career option.

So most of the time, Students who could not make it otherwise turn to teaching as an last option.

IMO , the salary and perks / benefits for the Teachers / Professors should be highest in the country amongst all professions, so that the best of the talent is attracted to teaching.
shankar
Mumbai, India
Jun 13, 2006 12:00 AM
6
The only remedy for this is more opportunities for all youth regardless of race, caste, race and religion. However this is possible only if our politicians and bureaucrats end license raj in THE CRUCIAL SECTORS OF EDUCATIOAN HEALTH and allow world class universities like Harvard and Oxford to open branches in India. THE Indian State has failed miserably on this count and privatization of higher education with thrust on high quality, compulsory primary and secondary education for all will save the nation if we hope to emulate China in the near future.
Ram
Singapore, Singapore
Jun 13, 2006 12:00 AM
5
The ony remedy for this is more opportunities for all youth regardless of race, caste, race and religion. Howevert this is possible only if our politicians and brueaucratrs end license raj in THE CRUCIAL SECTORS OF EDUCATIOAN HEALTH and allow world clss universities like Harbard and Oxford to open brances in India. THE Indian State has failed miserably on this count and proivatisation of higher education with thrust on high quality, compulsory primary and secondary education for all will save the nation if we hope to emulate China in the near future.
Ram
Singapore, Singapore
Jun 13, 2006 12:00 AM
4
>> "Even this base has only a narrow, technical and far from liberal education. I would argue even the best and the brightest are not up to world-class standards. Though they shine relative to others inside the country, they are mostly followers of others’ lead even in their narrow technical fields."

You have been making this point about narrow education and the Indian techies not being good enough against the best in the world for a while now. Was wondering what are you basing this on?

I agree that education in some of our best institutes is limited in scope, being mostly technical in nature. Moreover, due to the extremely high competition, a large number of students miss out on a number of activities that shall make for a more complete personality even during their final years of school.

That said, even in places that offer a more diverse education with choice of courses in a multitude of streams, most students shall do a very limited set of courses outside their core subjects. Given sufficient interest, such knowledge can be pursued later in life, along with a professional career. The environment that such a university provides, as opposed to an institute focused on just technical subjects can't be replicated though. I wonder how many students actually gain from it though (in India or abroad).

Regarding the best of us not being world class, that is extremely subjective. I guess by some standards, like leadership in industry, research, academics, one would say that Indians are doing very well in the technical field (I am restricting myself to IT in US). Check out the research labs at some of the most prestigious places (IBM, AT&T, HP etc. Have worked at one of these, so know from personal experience), senior positions in IT firms of virtually any size or academics, you shall find a fair (often more than a fair) share of desis. They have not reached there based on some quotas, but on the strength of their talent and performance. Would like to know how you define excellence in such fields.

Finally, for all the hype, the growth and acknowledgment of the Indian IT professional is a relatively recent development. While the Indian left makes a very valiant effort to deny it, India and Indians have climbed steadily up the IT food chain and should continue to do so, unless we manage to screw up our educational institutes.
Al Bundy
San Francisco, United States
Jun 13, 2006 12:00 AM
3
This is an honest indictment. It may portend that even more serious poblems are lying ahead. Getting teachers who are highly motivated and committed, smaller class rooms and parent-teacher collaboration are all parts of the infrastructure that needs to be strengthened, but require huge resource reallotments.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Jun 13, 2006 12:00 AM
2
Repost - corrected

I can’t say that I agree with everything in Gill’s essay but I do agree with most of it. The amount of human talent we waste generation after generation is staggering. Gill’s comments are sobering even though they are only pallid echoes of my previously posted views here.

I agree with his characterization that even the best and the brightest are stunted and have no vision beyond their self-absorption. Gill considers a slender base of student to have access to meaningful education. I disagree. Even this base has only a narrow, technical and far from liberal education. I would argue even the best and the brightest are not up to world-class standards. Though they shine relative to others inside the country, they are mostly followers of others’ lead even in their narrow technical fields.

I disagree with Gill that attempts at removing structural barriers is a “false offer of special access to better institutions in the country through reservations.” That policy is not meant to fix a decrepit educational system. It is meant to increase accesibility to broad segments who would otherwise be prevented by narrow selfish caste interests.

Beating one’s breast about “much bigger crisis” of “increasingly fail to secure candidates who meet their minimal standards for admission” takes away from a much more fundamental rethink about education. However, let’s assume in good old days, candidates routinely met “minimal standards.” Not being subject to today’s dwindling standards, they ought to stand out. They not only do not stand out, they contributed immensely to the current fiasco.

My view is that we have to change our philosophy of education, purpose and methods. It should emphasize life-long learning process rather than a list of items to learn and regurgitate. We cannot institute any wholesale structural reform until we reform how we educate the teachers themselves. I remembered a cousin who studied B.Ed. spending hours and hours on drawing a bloody flower and to identify its parts. She was a flunkie, her teacher was probably a flunkie and together they wasted a lot of time. As Gill observed, she was part of the repository of the untalented and lazy that was shunted into the teaching profession. While I don’t get that soap and water feeling when Gill yearns for guruji days, we need to radical departure in our pedagogical methodology, emphasis and student evaluation methodology. We need to emphasize breadth of education though it is the costlier alternative.

As daunting as it seems, building schools, printing text books, making primary/secondary education compulsory are ironically the easy part. That’s only a function of money and commitment. The really hard part is reorienting our educational philosophy and methodology. It should be robust, dynamic and process oriented rather than built around current conditions in a static and product orientation. That’s why I disagree with Vinod Metha that it will take 20 years to fix primary/secondary educational system. It is a one or two generation project. We first have to reform our educational approach and train a whole new generation of teachers before new pedagogical methods can percolate down to kindergarden programs.
Old Mac
Wonderville, United States
Jun 13, 2006 12:00 AM
1
I can’t say that I agree with everything in Gill’s essay but I do agree with most of it. The amount of human talent we waste generation after generation is staggering. Gill’s comments are sobering even though they are only pallid echoes of my previously posted views here.

I agree with his characterization that even the best and the brightest are stunted and have no vision beyond their self-absorption. Gill considers a slender base of student to have access to meaningful education. I disagree. Even this base has only a narrow, technical and far from liberal education. I would argue even the best and the brightest are not up to world-class standards. Though they shine relative to others inside the country, they are mostly followers of others’ lead even in their narrow technical fields.

I disagree with Gill that attempts at removing structural barriers is a “false offer of special access to better institutions in the country through reservations.” That policy is not meant to fix a decrepitude educational system. It is meant to increase accesibility to broad segments who would otherwise be prevented by narrow selfish caste interests.

Beating one’s breast about “much bigger crisis” of “increasingly fail to secure candidates who meet their minimal standards for admission” takes away from a much more fundamental rethink about education. However, let’s assume in good old days, candidates routinely met “minimal standards.” Not being subject to today’s dwindling standards, they ought to stand out. They not only do not stand out, they contributed immensely to the current fiasco.

My view is that we have to change our philosophy of education, purpose and methods. It should emphasize life-long learning process rather than a list of items to learn and regurgitate. We cannot institute any wholesale structural reform until we reform how we educate the teachers themselves. I remembered a cousin who studied B.Ed. spending hours and hours on drawing a bloody flower and to identify its parts. She was a flunkie, her teacher was probably a flunkie and together they wasted a lot of time. As Gill observed, she was part of the repository of the untalented and lazy that was shunted into the teaching profession. While I don’t get that soap and water feeling when Gill yearns for guruji days, we need to radical departure in our pedagogical methodology, emphasis and student evaluation methodology. We need to emphasize breadth of education though it is the costlier alternative.

As daunting as it seems, building schools, printing text books, making primary/secondary education compulsory are ironically the easy part. That’s only a function of money and commitment. The really hard part is reorienting of our educational philosophy and methodology. It should be a robust, dynamic and process oriented rather than built around current conditions in a static and product orientation. That’s why I disagree with Vinod Metha that it will take 20 years to fix primary/secondary educational system. It is a one or two generation project. We first have to reform our educational approach and train a whole new generation of teachers before new pedagogical methods can percolate down to kindergarden programs.
Old Mac
Wonderville, United States
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