R. Prasad
delhi
Mean Streets... All HQ, No IQ
Political mecca, consumerist haven, now Metro chic... Delhi's all that. But it's also crass, crude and callous, a city sans a soul.
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What do prominent personalities from our other metros think of Delhi? Uncouth, power-obsessed, typically North Indian, morally bankrupt...take your pick

Delhi's Seven Deadly Sins

1 Aggressive, lawless driving; India's road accident capital

2 Touting, hustling culture, grab-what-you-can-get mentality: law-breaking acceptable across classes, everything 'negotiable'

3 Callousness towards the vulnerable: disabled, visitors, elderly, poor

4 Most unsafe city in India for women; India's rape capital

5 Obsession with hierarchy & status

6 Officious, self-important political and bureaucratic class

7 Appalling cultural and professional manners


Some things about Delhi have got better, whether it's thanks to initiatives by the courts, greater prosperity or the drive to create a showpiece city for the Commonwealth Games 2010

  • Improved air quality, lower pollution levels
  • Abundant greenery and increasingly well-maintained parks
  • Some hope for its crippled public transport system with new Metro, new buses
  • Growing corporate, cultural, educational hub
  • Vibrant, throbbing city with explosion of choices for food, shopping, clubbing
  • Improved housing options, with satellite towns Gurgaon, Noida slated to get well connected

"Delhi's grown from sleepy town to metropolis, incorporating a rural population of independent and aggressive small landholders over whom the urban influence is still very shallow.... Delhi is also the seat of power; everything here is a power play...negotiable and up for grabs. Even among the educated, who've been to the right schools, the first instinct is to break the law."

Dipankar Gupta
Sociologist

"Delhi does not inspire the loyalty other cities like Mumbai or Calcutta do. Is it because this city does not have a soul? Survival of the fittest seems to be its mantra and women face the brunt of this. For them, everyday life in this city is
tempered by the fear of violence. The added flavour here is that no one is willing to raise their voice to help another person."

Kalpana Viswanath
Women's rights activist


'"Contemporary life in great cities is documented in close, loving, obsessive detail by writers and by filmmakers, its neighbourhoods are invested with magic, not just for those who live in them, but a wider world beyond. That has happened to London, to New York, to Mumbai, to Calcutta, but not to Delhi. We need to ask ourselves why."

Mukul Kesavan
Writer, Historian

"This is a selfish city, with very little courtesy. You have to have sharp elbows to drive here. Unless you eat up every single inch of the road, you don't get anywhere. And you have to steel yourself to a hundred incivilities.... In a cafe in Saket, as I held the door open for a family that was leaving, a woman behind me pushes past all of us, and walks out...."

Andrew Whitehead
Director, BBC World Service Trust


Alok Sikka has a scooter, a Kinetic Honda with two extra wheels to help him maintain his balance while he is riding.

 
 
In power Delhi, historical arbiter of regional destinies, self-importance and dehumanising arrogance start at the top, and work their way down. It's an officious world of calls never taken, siren-wailing politician carcades pushing even ambulances off the road.
 
 
One evening, one of his crutches fell off the scooter, and he took an ill-judged turn to retrieve it, causing an accident. Alok, who suffers from cerebral palsy (brain damage affecting mobility and speech), tried to apologise, in his slow, laboured drawl, but to a deaf and violent Delhi street. Cops and enraged motorists joined hands to brutally beat up the young man. Today, he is back on his scooter, and his intelligence and fighting spirit put his city to shame. He explains succinctly why its citizens refuse to sell him a Coke, or why he has to argue to buy a ticket for Rang de Basanti: "Here, speech problem equals mental retardation. The attitude is: why has this fellow come to my shop? Why doesn't he stay at home?"

Alok's encounters with Delhi are a reality check, at a time when accolades for the rising capital of a rising country are flowing fast and thick. Not just political mecca, but, oh gosh, fashion capital, rival commercial capital, resurgent cultural capital, big-spending consumption capital, home to more crorepati families than any other metro, gastronomic hub, growing magnet for migrants rich and poor, proud owner of a gleaming new Metro and smart new buses; "world city" marching proudly towards the Commonwealth Games in 2010.

It is probably true, every word of it, but triumphalism and smugness are threatening to mask the reality of what Delhi also is: harsh, cruel, inhospitable for those who don't have the money, survival skills or connections to deal with its grab-what-you-can-get mentality, its obsession with hierarchy and status, its web of client-patron networks. Are we also losing sight of how uncouth it still is, under a veneer of cool, compared to metros with a more settled urban culture such as Mumbai and Calcutta? As writer and illustrator Manjula Padmanabhan puts it, "If cities were people, Delhi would be an unshaven bully. A wife-burner. A drunk. A road-hog."

"World-class city? Is that just flyovers, tall buildings and the Metro?" asks Kalpana Viswanath of the women's group, Jagori. "Delhi is the most unsafe city for women in India," she says. Among 35 megacities (those with a population of over 10 lakh), Delhi generated 30.3 per cent of all rapes, 33.3 per cent cases of kidnapping and abduction, 19.8 per cent of all dowry deaths, 18.3 per cent of all molestation cases in 2004. Testosterone runs riot in other ways too—the nastiest road manners, the worst outbursts of road rage. The Institute of Road Traffic Education estimates, in a recent study, that 110 million traffic violations are committed by motorised vehicles in the National Capital Territory every day.
 
 
Like its road manners, so with Delhi's cultural etiquette. Audiences head for the car park before the cast has taken the curtain call; mobiles ring during films, performances, plays.
 
 
More people (per million population) die in Delhi in road accidents than in any other Indian metro. In might-is-right city, the most vulnerable get hit the hardest: nearly half of the 1,800-odd people who perished on the city's roads in 2004 were pedestrians, a quarter of them two-wheeler riders and 10 per cent cyclists.

There are no statistics for men who press their bodies against helpless college students, trapped into immobility in crowded buses, or strip women with their eyes as they walk down a street. Young northeastern women trying to earn themselves a decent living are flooding Delhi, waiting at trendy cafes, selling in chic boutiques. Delhi welcomes them—their looks and style suit its changing self-image—and propositions them at the same time. "Hey chinky, will you..."

It can get worse. Public relations professional Pradip Singh, who has multiple deformities of the limbs caused by infantile rheumatoid arthritis, recounts that when his female cousins struggled to push his wheelchair over a poorly-constructed ramp into a Connaught Place restaurant, cocky youths stood and jeered, "This is the only kind of man they could find." But he also runs the gauntlet of gawkers at the snooty India International Centre. "It does not happen to me in any other Indian metro," says Pradip.

The BBC World Service Trust's Andrew Whitehead, on his second stint in Delhi, is deeply impressed by the Metro, and finds an expanding expat comfort zone in a cleaner, less polluted, better signposted Delhi exploding with food choices.
 
 
Freebies are food for Delhi's outsized ego and greedy soul. Selling tickets for high-profile events is a nightmare, with two governments to appease and everyone—porter or policeman—wanting a pass.
 
 
"But," he adds, "you have to steel yourself to a hundred incivilities.... It grates, and the longer you stay, the more it grates."

For another snapshot of Delhi, spend a morning at the Foreigners Division of the Union home ministry, in the heart of Lutyens' Delhi. Bearded Afghans, frail old Pakistani ladies, Chinese students, sharp-suited Brits working for MNCs...they all pour in here from various parts of the country, to get visas sorted out, and to learn a fundamental truth: in power Delhi, "applicant" equals "supplicant". Self-important section officers strut in and out of crowded rooms, putting them through a familiar Delhi grind: obsequiously-worded applications, interrogations, repeat visits and painful suspense ("was that a yes he said, or a no?") for something as seemingly routine as getting a visa extended. But in 2006, torture has acquired a classy edge. An expensive-looking plasma screen outside this office from hell says: "We wish you a pleasant and enjoyable stay in India."

You can't really blame section officers. In power Delhi, historical arbiter of regional destinies, self-importance and dehumanising arrogance start at the top, and work their way down. It's an officious world of calls never returned, siren wailing politicians' cavalcades shoving even ambulances off the roads, of netas showing up hours late at events where they are supposed to be guest of honour, clambering on to stage at school functions with gun-toting guards in tow. Of cultural divas dancing to political tunes, jockeying and lobbying for akademi posts, or even just invites to prime ministerial functions and Rashtrapati Bhavan banquets.

This world revolves on who you know and where you fit, and the disease has long spread to the rest of the capital, where name-dropping is both art form and survival skill. From chowkidars to builders, the city is adept at sorting out its occupants by income, social status and professional standing—to work out how they can be used. Yesterday's objects of desire are taken off guest lists within a day. (Ask Natwar Singh or Brajesh Mishra.) Name plates and visiting cards displaying self-generated titles such as Former Minister, Former MP, Former Principal, Former Chief Justice of India and Retired Ambassador abound. Loss of status is the Delhiite's ultimate nightmare, and he'll hang on to it with bleeding nails, if required.


G huzoori: Obsequiousness is not just a Kangressi prerogative. In power capital, a proximity to powers-that-be counts.

"Every address has a different resonance here," says a retired ambassador's wife, who has lived in a range of Delhi neighbourhoods. "If you say 'Vasant Vihar', a Khan Market shopkeeper thinks, aha, big spender. If it's 'Pandara Park' (where top bureaucrats live), instant respect! And if it's 'Mayur Vihar', where I currently live, you have to talk things up, tell them who you once were, for your stock to rise".

Here's a conundrum. "Delhi in the old days was a cultured city, but culturally it was dead. Today, it is culturally vibrant, an awake, restless, bubbling town, but not cultured," says publisher Ravi Dayal, who has vivid memories of a Delhi in the '40s and '50s, when Kayasth civility set the tone in Civil Lines. Like its road manners, Delhi's cultural manners can be appalling. Delhiites rise en masse to head for the car park even before the cast has taken its curtain call; front row guests arrive late, then argue with ushers to get to their seats, mobiles ring during movies, plays and recitals. And the audience breaks into laughter, yes, even at upmarket PVR Saket, during the gay love scenes in Brokeback Mountain.

Freebies are food for Delhi's outsized ego and its greedy soul. Selling tickets for high-profile events is a nightmare, with two governments to appease, and everybody—from politico to policeman to porter—clamouring for a pass. "The organiser ends up giving away more passes than he can sell," says Sabbas Joseph, director of Wizcraft, a leading event management company. Sponsored shows are becoming the norm in Delhi, and big-ticket events, like rock concerts by international stars, are bypassing it for cities where people are more willing to reach for their wallets. "This is the only major capital where performances by top-notch artistes are free, because you can't fill up spaces otherwise," says Pavan Varma, director-general of the Indian Council of Cultural Relations.

Despite the rise of privatised and corporate Delhi, professionalism often goes for a toss. At the crowded Nokia service centre in downtown Lajpat Nagar on a Saturday afternoon, you could be in a PSU—with apoplectic customers waving expensive phones at lacklustre staff, and screaming about shoddy service. And Delhi surely must be the country's most late-starting metro, with markets and office areas often deserted at 10 am. Says Sudha Sastri, who runs an executive search firm specialising in the IT industry, "The babu culture seeps into everything else. There is a lack of respect for people's time. Professional managers across levels turn up late for appointments, or don't turn up at all."

It's a hustling, huckstering, city, adept at squeezing, pummelling, kneading the system for what it can get. Hustlers invade you, from the man who tries to grab your trolley at the airport and steer it towards his overpriced taxi to the leering tout at the ramshackle Tis Hazari courts who wants a bribe of several thousand rupees to get your marriage registered. The disease is infectious: in Mumbai, taxi drivers from UP and Bihar charge by the meter, in Delhi migrant auto drivers from the very same states rig their meters or quote double the metered fare.

For all its aspirations towards cosmopolitanism, Delhi, as architect Gautam Bhatia argued in a recent article, is still more Walled City than World City: houses with high fences, colonies with private gates, and "separate enclaves for journalists, lawyers, old people, Bengalis, Punjabis and perhaps even golfers".

Within the enclaves, there are signs of growing neighbourhood pride, like the community parks maintained by residents' associations. But the lasting image of the Delhi neighbourhood is not the park, but the street, clogged with the signs of the city's growing numbers and affluence...cars, chauffeurs, security guards baking under a summer sun.... Here, fights break out routinely over shared water resources, shared infrastructure, encroached roads and shared parking spaces. "There is an unspoken violence in the air...the possibilities for friction are endless, it's never clear how your neighbour will react to normal social interaction," says writer Mukul Kesavan. "Delhi sometimes feels like a crude boom town—like Topsy, it has 'just growed', but with no settled norms for urban living." Would its citizens help each other, you wonder, if the city was submerged, Mumbai-like, by floods, or run for safety while their neighbours drowned?

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What do prominent personalities from our other metros think of Delhi? Uncouth, power-obsessed, typically North Indian, morally bankrupt...take your pick
 
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HAVE YOUR SAY
May 11, 2006 12:00 AM
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Lived most of my life in Delhi, schooled in Chnennai and have spent vacations in Mumbai, Bangalore and Cal. Have lived and been to every major American city. Currently living in the U.S.

The bottom line is that every city is different and Delhi has a North Indian culture just like Mumbai is Maharashtrian, Chennai, Tamilian etc.
In every city, you have to fight for what you want and it is true everywhere. In the case of Delhi, the culture is more cut throat probably because of the thousands of years of history of being subjected to numerous invasions. Add to that the city has so gladly welcomed political migrants from former East Pakistan, West Pakistan, Punjab (terorism) and add to that economic migrants from other North indian and East Indian cities. Has any other major Indina city done this 'heart ful' thing? I wonder what these south Indians above talk about discrimination..I am one too and have never had any problem...love the diversity of the city.


It is a land of opportunity as long as you are tough enough to fight for it! It has the highest per capita income, great schools, health care..what more can you ask for?
ajay
delhi, india
May 09, 2006 12:00 AM
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you bet mumbai is safe,buy a new car and receive a call from a bhai living in dubai,pay up or get shot in broad daylight,but i guess delhi is unsafe and mumbai is safe!

an actor dies in banglore ,6 people are killed but i guess banglore is "cultural" and of course very safe

an actress in chennai expresses what is perhaps true of todays society(and nothing wrong with that)she is taken to court,harrassed and threatened for giving her opnion.but you are right delhi is not only unsafe it is also intollerant towards women

maybe outlook should get a reality check on what they are trying to cover and what kind of people they want an opinion from, some writer who cannot get over being bullied when he was in half pants says delhi is intollerant and does not recognize d/f ethnic identities of south indian states

a young politician who is what he is because of his surname gives his opinion on delhi,the same power politics that delhi is being blamed for is responsible for his rise

lets get one thing straight delhi is tough, hard as knuclkes,but show me one true blue dilliwala who is complaining.

ISHAN
ishan ratra
new delhi, india
May 04, 2006 12:00 AM
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It is the most negative article i've ever read...is it some kinda cheap trick by the author(should be immediately fired) to defame the most beautiful city on the earth??? i never expected such kinda article from a delhi based magazine."WHY DELHI SUCKS" this is wat ur authors are paid for, so blunt and cheap. U no why "OUTLOOK SUCKS"? Becoz they have insane authors like Miss. Anjali ....
mandeep
delhi, India
Apr 29, 2006 12:00 AM
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Delhi has the highest credit losses in the world. Every one here takes a loan with an intension to default. Common people (i am not taking about syndicated frauds) rent vcrs and tv's to decorate their room to fool the visting bank officer into granting a loan. Then they default.

Maximum losses faced in India by even large companies like LG, Onida, Samsung come from Delhi. Delhi businessmen/dealers simply dont pay up for their stock they buy. Their mentality is to cheat. For this reason a large number of companies dont offer credit to delhi dealers
sanghmitra
Mumbai, India
Apr 29, 2006 12:00 AM
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Since i belong to Delhi, though am currently working in Bangalore, I strongly feel such potent statements such as "Delhi-rude city" triggers an extremely uncongenial immpression in the minds of people who have never been there.
As a result of which migrants from Delhi are met with utmost hostility merely by the virtue of their hometown.
I agree with the contents of the story to the extent that a few of these things are prevelent in that city (which I feel are primarily due to its being the political and commercial capital of the nation).But the degree to which it is blown up is directly responsible for a harshly notorious image people outside Delhi build.

Stereotyping, i understand is required, but the writers should note that its impacting a large chunk of people.
Neha
Bangalore, India
Apr 28, 2006 12:00 AM
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I have spent my school and college days in Hyderabad...and unfortunately have to work in Delhi now. Delhi is not a CITY in the true sense of the word-it's an overgrown village.
Dr Prashant
New Delhi, India
Apr 28, 2006 12:00 AM
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Indu and Nits

I have lived as a poor student in London and Oslo.Believe me its no fun.

Stop whineing. I get sick of people like you.
I talk to ordinary people in Delhi, The barber in the hair saloon. The place where I get my Airtell chip for my mobile phone. The place where I buy my glasses. Fruit sellers. Taxi drivers.Golf cadees. Shop owners. Domestic help.

As I have said most of my foreign guests had a good impression of India and Indians.

They are decent. Yes they are not polished. Have
a poor education. But they are all right, and some are very nice.

I dont know where you get your bad experiences from. People like you will always find something to grumble about. Do you like any one at all. More important does any one like you. I am damn sure that I would not.
lalit bagai
kalundborg, Brazil
Apr 27, 2006 12:00 AM
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Oh it is true..very very true. Every single word, every single phrase and every single sentense is true.
Indu
Ypsilanti, United States
Apr 27, 2006 12:00 AM
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you walk in delhi streets and all you hear is madarc..., behnc..., g..du.
what is this? and young women, it is hell for them.
lalit bagai goes once in blue moon, stays in some bunglaw, and talks wise.
nits
nashville, USA
Apr 25, 2006 12:00 AM
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The first thing Outlook should do now is to shift its head office from Delhi. I am sure Delhi would be a better place after that.
Rajeev
Delhi, India
Apr 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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I stay in Delhi for 2 months per year in house in Pancheel Park. Bang on the highway. Traffic is on the move day and night. That was the reason which got me interested in environment in Delhi

However the single house has a large garden. My family has turned down all offers to sell it,
prefering to retain this little island of peace.

There are three families of servants liveing there.One that is , Indu and her husband share 2 small rooms.And I have long chats with her about life in Delhi and in her village in UP.I have talked to her daughter Lakshmi who goes to a nice English speaking school, the fees paid for by my sister.Her little brother also goes to a good private school.

Lakshmi thinks life in Delhi is fun. She does not like visiting her village for too long.
She dresses like any middleclass teenager. She studies a lot like most kids do in Delhi. Is high on ambition..

I resent the idea that people in Delhi are heartless. Rubbish. Anytime any one working for the house has any sudden needs, they get help.And this applies to all house help working in the homes of relations and friends.

I know so many people working for charitable organisations in Delhi. One is called Lajpat Bhavan, or Servants of India society. The work they do is superb. And anyone visiting Delhi from abroad always leaves 100 usd or like amount to my sister for charity.

I know some super rich people in Mumbaii, and I dont think that they are more aware of social problems as people are in Delhi.

Delhi has made great progress in the environment front. This is the result of many PIL,s filed by prominent citizens.One initative resulted in the forced use of CNG in three wheelers and buses.
This was the first initiative of this kind in India.

My Danish family recently visited India, and they were quite charmed at the warmth and hospitality that they recieved. I trust their opinion more then that of Nits and others on this forum.

lalit bagai
kalundborg, Brazil
Apr 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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The cultural cringe that surrounds Delhi is not unique. It can be found, to a greater or lesser extent, in every Indian metro. Bombay has communal riots, the Shiv Sena, Shobhaaaa De, and the underworld. Madras has people who drop down on their bellies at the sight of a politician. Bangaloreans riot when a third-rate actor dies. Calcutta has men who harass women on the street and walk past heart-attack victims without stopping to help them. Uncouth people? Look to Ahmedabad, where it's illegal to have a drink but ok to burn Muslims alive. The mindless herd of consumers who believe that malls are "cool" and behave as if the poor don't exist can be found in every big metro - one doesn't have to go to Gurgaon or GK-I to see them. Likewise, the insufferable babu who gets high on his dubious authority lurks in every corner of the country. Delhi merely epitomizes the displaced phenomena that we don't want to acknowledge in our more "local" cities.
Satadru Sen
St. Louis, USA
Apr 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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Rao , Bangalore

I have heard many good things about Bangalore. Pity that I have never been there.

However I am baffled to read your remarks. Delhi has two major universities, an IIT, AIIMS, a premier medical insitute,other great hospitals, great colleges and schools. It has well known painters, musicians, environmentalists.It has the WHO, IMF , the World Bank, WWFund situated here. It has a number of diplomatic missions, and
a superfluous but huge government. It is the where the Armed forces are situated.

But no Sir, they are all fools and Bufoons.
Includeing our beloved editor Mr Mehta, and other
great journalists.

You are hard to please Mr Rao.

lalit bagai
kalundborg, Brazil
Apr 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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delhi is improving in terms of infrastructure but then the mostimportant thing that mmakes a city lovable and inhabitable is the kind of people living in it. the warmth of delhi was at dispaly at the recent commonwealth games . what was missing is the other side of delhi, the one more darker and ugly! guess the capital embodies that spirit of indians , that we are capable of smiling even when faced with thw worse of situations!
ameetbhuvan
bhubaneswar, India
Apr 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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Having had the good fortune of being a citizen of Hyderabad, Bangalore and Mumbai at different times, and being a regular visitor to Chennai, I can state with conviction that the people of Delhi, though they appear sophisticated, are barbaric imbeciles. The only redeeming thing about Delhi is that a guy with a sense of humour can have a lot of fun at the expense of its residents.
Vishwanath Rao
Bangalore, India
Apr 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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In defence of Delhi, I would suggest people take a look at the following.

The India Habitat Centre. Provides art galleries, restaurants and is a cool place to visit. I had parked a friend of mine from Norway there with his wife and son. They liked the stay,
though they found a bit too much noise from the
constant partying close by.

The Lodi gardens and Humayun Tomb, recently restored by the Agha Khan trust are very nice, Visited both places with girls and women fom our family. The kids played around. No sign of bad manners.

Visit Kutab Minar , the Birla temple and everything is peaceful .

I even had a walk in old Delhi, near the Jama Masjid. It was a quiet leafy street , with lots of shops selling brass and copper wares.

Cannaught Place is as bad as ever, but none of us was harassed. Its drab and dirty but thats because of bad up keep and not bad manners.

Some people do drop into Delhi to see the sights. Does any tourist ever visit Mumbai, Kolkutta, or Chenai. Not if they are in their right minds.

Yes it help if one has money, but even with poys of money, none of the other cities is a place to visit.

Now lets hear what readers consider to be their
favourite city. Leave out Aligarh, Meerut or
Kanpur. Unless there is somethin very special about them
lalit bagai
kalundborg, Brazil
Apr 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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Well, one has to look back to understand the Delhi’s psyche. Delhi was continuously invaded for the past 2500 years by different races. All the invading army had only one mission. Plunder the wealth, kill the men and RAPE the women. So, now you know the DNA of Northwest India. It is a mix of all rogues DNAs on the Earth. That’s why we have Rogues even if they seem to have some literacy
sivakumar
chennai, india
Apr 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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The new Acronym for DELHI is “Dirty Egocentric Land of Heartless Inhabitants”.
Rajneesh Batra
New Delhi, India
Apr 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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NITS cannot see the terrorism in kashmir. Maybe it is not terrorism but freedom struggle and maybe what happened in gujrat was also not riots but instantenously outburst of anger. MAYBE

Abhishek
Abhishek Drolia
Raipur, India
Apr 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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NUTS writes:

>>much as i hate marathis for
>>their chauvanism

How nice, coming as it does from someone whose views about people from Haryana, Delhi and elsewhere are so progressive and warm.
Ajit Tendulkar
Seattle, United States
Apr 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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bagai writes, "All said Delhi is better then Mumbai, which stinks." bagai, roads and malls don't make a city, people do. much as i hate marathis for their chauvanism, mumbai crowd is one of the most decent in the whole country. ive personally experienced both the cities. in delhi, try walking out with a female relative/colleague/friend, and you will know what i mean.
But i guess, bagai sahab, rich as he is, doesnt try to get out of his AC car and remains stuck in vasant vihar, hauz khas area clubs.

kunal says the video is from pakistani guy. maybe. maybe it is exaggerated, but why are you so sure. now imagine some of these cheapites from delhi/ haryana being inducted and sent their as forces to have free reign. is it too hard to imagine the happenings.

raj bodepudi, all your long posts can be summarized in one sentence. Blame it on islam, if not on rain. bravo, for this amazing insight. keep it up.

bagai the writes, " Classes and castes do not matter. "
theoretically yes, but in practice know. your lack of stay in india is apparent in your writings. not everyone is naipaul, getting deepinsights in few visits. have you read million mutinies by him, BTW.
i dont loath anyone, i state as a matter of fact. remeber the world is warped!

nits
nashville, USA
Apr 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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Nits

You are way ahead of the punjabi banias and the haryana jats . Every posting from you is a liveing proof of your uncouth and loutish manners.

Incidentally Mr Vinod Mehta is also a Punjabi,
Hails from Peshawer. I understand that he is one of your idols. Now say sorry to him.
lalit bagai
kalundborg, Brazil
Apr 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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Arvind

I remember way back in 1995 I was involved in an environment project in Delhi. One suggestion we made was to provide a modern bus system, useing large capacity buses, on designated tracks. It seems to be comeing, just 10 years late. It will make a huge improvement to Delhi along with the new metro.

Delhi,s government under Sheila Dixit, is doing a commendable job of improveing Delhi. However its a city constantly getting immigrants from Bihar, UP and illegal Bangladeshis.

However will all the plans for the 2010 olympics I think Delhi should become a better city. The
elecricity supply system has been privatised,
but water is a big problem.

Still billions of USD investment are required
to make a significant difference. And all the time new immigrants are pouring in. Makes the task of a modern city near impossible to solve,
That goes for all the cities of India, big and small.
lalit bagai
kalundborg, Brazil
Apr 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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Nikhil

What rubbish. Attacking banias, attackling brahmins, high castes.

People are all right if they are educated and come from cultured families. Be they banias, brahmins or of any other religion includeiong muslims.

Thats it. Classes and castes do not matter.
lalit bagai
kalundborg, Brazil
Apr 24, 2006 12:00 AM
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Nikhil

What rubbish. Attacking banias, attackling brahmins, high castes.

People are all right if they are educated and come from cultured families. Be they banias, brahmins or of any other religion includeiong muslims.

Thats it. Classes and castes do not matter.
lalit bagai
kalundborg, Brazil
Apr 23, 2006 12:00 AM
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ha ha Mr. NITS u spelt the "f" word wrongly. Did you purposely misspell it for fear of disqualification from the group? I wonder. Anyways Mr. NITS mind your language. I never said Delhi was better than NYC in my post. I only said that the problems which the author is talking about beset most of the large crowded cities of the world. And the reason why I'm in US is the same as the reason why most of the Indians are in US - the "M" word. And Mr. NITS, I think you need an English language course maybe from Vivekananda English Speaking Course or better yet from an American who teaches "English as a Second Language". Your interpretation of my previous post is preposterous.
ARVIND
ROCHESTER, United States
Apr 23, 2006 12:00 AM
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the article makes almost horrible reading and if i were not a resident of delhi for the last two deacdes ,i would have believed it.to begin with delhi is not a state like bengal,maharashtra ,TN etc it is basically an Union Teritory. therefore same identification is not possible here .there is massive migration to delhi(population increasing by more than 50% every decade).this migrants must be socially most varied in the world and quite poor.what kind of identification is possible in such situations? it is a minor miracle that there is no large-scale breakdown of law and order .the migrants come from neighbouring states because their leaders have made the states hell. these leaders are sometimes accused of embezzling thousand of crores of rupees but still occupy powerful positions at the centre with full mainstream support and are hailed as political messiah decade after decade . the wretched migrants,from various caste ,class and provinces, live in appalling conditions.some of them surely will take to crime etc.these people -lumpen proletariat in leftlist literature-give the city bad name. however their regional leaders ,who started it all, occupy powerful postions. it is this double standard which is the root cause of our many problems.yet despite all this in survey after survey, national or international , delhi comes at the top. recently it was selected, for the first time, as the best city in india.it has highest per capita income in the country .it is also a pioneer in court-related activities like CNG buses.here jessica-lal like murder case takes place but also gets reopened.where else does it happen?we are told the country is making progress, but it is here where decisions are made.it is a power centre and is growing . such centres ,all over the world, are not known to be the best place and delhi is no exception.as regards babudom ,the problem exists everywhere and not in delhi alone. because the machinery in delhi is much bigger ,one encounters it more frequently. too much power is given to government officials . there is little decentalisation. but why cant we take it away from them ? our constitution was written by the country's founding fathers , not by the britishers, with love and care. and yet it has to be amended so many times. most of todays laws were made by the britishers not necessarily with love and care. yet how many times have we bothered to amend them? at the end of the day, we get what we
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surajit som
new delhi, India
Apr 23, 2006 12:00 AM
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Just yesterday happened to visit the Singapore Night Safari with a family friend who happened to come in here from Kuala Lumpur. We happened to encounter 2 examples of sheer bania extravagance which exhibits the current state of our affairs in India.

Episode I: We were standing in the queue to board a tram with a group of 4-5 by now world famous, blunt least intelligent but over enthusiastic bania community apparently from Delhi ahead of us. What was distinguishing between these rogues and low IQ people from some more civilised groups of some Germans, Australians, Malaysians, Chinese and even some Maharashtrians was that these blokes asking one of the volunteers loudly whether the Singapore Zoo had any Indian tigers on show (as if these Indians came to Singapore to see Indian tigers!). And since our Indian banias didn’t have the habbit of hearing a straight soft reply in a decent audible pitch, they reiterated their question even more loudly to our utter shame! But what raised my respect for the volunteer was his calm reply in spite of this silly query from rude and uncivilized people.

Episode II: This time it was our neighbors in tram, again a bania couple apparently on a honeymoon trip to Singapore! And what were they doing in the tram? Yes you are right my dear Indian brothers and sisters they were smooching and busy kissing each other expressing their love for each other all along the safari as if Singapore Night Safari is meant only for such couples. Compare this with another Aussie couple who also seemed to be on a honeymoon, but they were busy looking out to improve their IQs and learn more about the animal kingdom!
Is there any doubt what future beholds of India and why India has a history of being walked over so many times by all kinds of people day in and day out (which some of our spineless friends are proud of)! But only time has proved that simply talking loud doesn’t lead any race or community to the position of the most respected and command. Probably our loud and irrational banias need to learn more from their Jewish and chinese counterparts who both happen to be total control of the world economy including and of course the Bombay stock exchange index that we see today at 12K levels, although he might be flaunting a latest Mercedes whereas his Jewish or a chinese counterpart would be humble down to earth guy perhaps even traveling in a public transport system! One of the famous Jew- J.D Rockefeller’s 7 sister oil companies Chevron is already into Reliance. Which other co. will buy into Bajaj Auto or a Birla? How many Indian banias know that some of the world’s wealthiest and most powerful Jewish families like the Rothshilds don’t appear in the publications but still own huge trusts and banks with net assets perhaps larger than India’s GDP? Now that’s what is known as sophistication and civilization…..
Nikhil
Pune, India
Apr 23, 2006 12:00 AM
10
I schooled in Delhi till the 10th and couldn't wait to get out of there fast enough. Its a city of facades compounded by being the most criminal of Indian cities. Mumbai may stink, Cal may be living on past glory, Chennai may have no water but they are all a darn sight more civilised than our savage, rustic capital city.
S Mala
Mumbai, India
Apr 23, 2006 12:00 AM
9
NITS, this video is from the online collection of some Paki guy, and so there is no surprise about what you see in it. I bet you can find hundreds of such documentaries in Pakistan.
kunal
denver, usa
Apr 23, 2006 12:00 AM
8
I visit Delhi for two months every year. And so do many of our relations from the USA, Britain.

In Delhi make sure you have your lap top, mobile phone, credit cards and then you are all right.
Avoid government offices.

Delhi has good golf clubs, restaurants and fancy hotels. The Imperial is the best. It has good clubs , and I like them, and whats more they are free as I am always a guest.

Public transport is awful but the taxis are cheap. For one day 700 Rs.

Government babus are a pain in the butt, but just avoid them They are scum.

Shopping centres are dirty and crowded. But one can buy branded goods at cheap prices.

The manners of shop assistants is very good.
Same for the restaurants. My overseas guests were impressed.

Driveing in Delhi must be hell, but thats because there are so many cars. The trucks are the worst.

All said Delhi is better then Mumbai, which stinks. I had a free return from Delhi, but I just did not use it.

On the whole Delhi is far better then the average Indian city. But thats not saying too much.
lalit bagai
kalundborg, Brazil
Apr 23, 2006 12:00 AM
7
if delhi is as good as new york, what the fukc are you doing here, arvind?
nits
nashville, USA
Apr 23, 2006 12:00 AM
6
come on, things are not that bad. i think any big city suffers from most of the problems which author talks about. Aren't there rapes in NYC or DC? Isn't there reckless driving in NYC?And people who have taken the thruway in the peak hour from Virginia to DC know how congested it is. Gimme a break. The author just makes a mountain out of a molehill. I will always love Delhi for its splendid roads and its Metro. And not to forget the excellent water outlet/ drainage system which is practically non existent in the place where I come from - Chennai aka Madras.
ARVIND
ROCHESTER, United States
Apr 23, 2006 12:00 AM
5
raj bodepudi, if you have the guts , watch this video


http://video.google.com...333713&q=indian&pl=true
nits
nashville, USA
Apr 22, 2006 12:00 AM
4
delhi is a victim of
1) punjabi bania[s], most cold blooded manipulators on earth
and
2] haryana jaats: most crude, uncivilized race of this planet.
add to this the villagers from UP and you have a heady mix in this crazy third rate city.
nits
nashville, USA
Apr 22, 2006 12:00 AM
3
Delhi is definitely THE WORST Metro and City in India. I completely agree with Outlook's Seven Deadly Sins and some of the views aired by people in their interviews. It is a sick place. We all are responsible for the city getting worse and worser by the day.
Viswanathan Karthik
Chennai, India
Apr 22, 2006 12:00 AM
2
True. Delhi died the day it had the first refugee from Pakistan. Soon the rot started and over the years Delhi lost its 'tehjeeb', culture, values, cuisine and its soul. Rest is history but the refugee mentality still prevails. Delhi in its present form is the result of not respecting the system and norms of a civil society. Sanu ki farak painda hai.
Sushant Kumar
Sydney
Sushant Kumar
Sydney, Austarlia
Apr 22, 2006 12:00 AM
1
in one word.... awesome
vineet singh
melbourne, Australia
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