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The Same Difference, Just Chill
Do we need the government in our pants? Section 377 wants to go there.
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Last year, after a reading at the Edinburgh Book Festival, I was tired and homesick. So, when my British editor suggested dinner with some writers, I was hesitant (from authors, as with inflammable trucks on Indian highways, I Keep Safe Distance). But the British novelist Shamim Sarif and her partner, Hanan Kattan, astonished my heart with the grace of their rapport. The two women, in their thirties, make up a family with their two sons. I recall how Shamim's eyes shone at their mention and how Hanan called the babysitter to check if the boys, at home in London, were in bed.

To glimpse the scruffy loveliness of maternal anxiety, to find affirmation in contracts of trust, to recognise lives lived on authentic terms: all this was an unexpected blessing. As I tried to picture a similar scene in India, the audacity of my imagination was betrayed by reality. Never mind cultural constraints, the fact that even today, as a citizenry, we tolerate Section 377 on our books of law is proof that the benefits of India's coming of age are, at best, economic, erratic, and available mainly to the elite. Section 377 asserts: "Whosoever has carnal intercourse voluntarily against the order of nature with any man, woman or animal shall be punished with imprisonment for life, or imprisonment for a term which may extend to 10 years, and shall be liable to fine." Although rarely used to punish, Section 377 blasts a violent stigma over a specific sexual act—anal intercourse; stigmatising homosexuality. The power of Section 377 lies not in its capacity to criminalise as much as in its power to shame.

And shame remains the gun in the hands of the upper castes of the sexual classes. Remember Gore Vidal's famous adage "Sex is Politics"? Well, sex is also power. To identify one sexual conduct as "normal" and another as "perverse" is less an exercise in the moral upkeep of society as it is a manipulation of power. Let's also not forget that one person's power is defined by another person's powerlessness: power, without relative value, ceases to exist. And the power to forbid is innately arousing: it's sadomasochism of the mind.

In 2004, the Delhi High Court rejected an ngo's petition asking for Section 377 to be no longer applicable for consenting adults. (Consensual intercourse, simply put, is a private privilege—who asked the state to pen our private Kamasutra?) In 2001, the government had refused to append or repeal Section 377. A home ministry affidavit suggested that Indian society offered little tolerance for any sexuality other than heterosexuality: reason enough for Section 377 to exist. In the past, child marriage and dowry were tolerated; today, both are illegal. If the court believes it must reflect society, how can it forget that society reflects the law? If Section 377 is cleaned out, how long before societal outlook—prejudices included—undergo vacuuming? Section 377, unappended, not only inflicts bigotry, it prevents society from adapting to zeitgeist.

My India is Remixville; 50 per cent of urban marriages end in separation or divorce; Bollywood stars zoom off with murder (and croon, ostensibly to judges, "Just Chill, Chill...Just Chill"). Change is so palpable I can almost extend my hands and dance with it. So, when will the government wake up and smell the chai of the mtv electorate? Of course, one argument is that same-sex relationships exist in India heedless of social limitations or legal ramifications. Why purge Section 377? Inherently, by condemning a sexual act as an abnormality worthy of prosecution, the courts standardises heterosexuality. It creates room to punish sex that doesn't conform to this standard. The only thing worse than turning homosexuality into pathology is assuming that heterosexuality is the healthy norm. (This defeats, consequently, the idea of fair trial.) In Theorising Heterosexuality, Jean Carabine asks: "Why does social policy tend to adopt a fixed idea of sexuality as heterosexuality, which has normalising effects?" Perhaps because governance is essentially concerned with power management, and for one person to be in control, another has to be controlled.

Within heterosexuality, men control women (although this is changing); and heterosexuality, as a whole if ambiguous unit, manages other sexualities. But as the global sexual rights movement strides beyond the politics of desire and ploughs the amorphous landscape of love, writers, activists, citizens ask: whoever said heterosexuality was supposed to wear the pants in the house? Section 377 needs to go for several reasons. Because we don't want the government in our pants. Because it interferes with the tasks of aids outreach workers. And because it is anti-democratic. In a nation where democracy is reduced to an item number, a law forbidding a particular sexual liberty is patently inhuman and shockingly regressive.

Perhaps my generation must recognise the freedom our ancestors died for: only so it can refurbish the meaning, privileges and the bravery of freedom: this, after all, gives our children something to live for. When extending marriage to all its citizens, Spanish prime minister Zapatero said: "We are enlarging the opportunity for happiness to our neighbours, our co-workers, our friends and, our families: at the same time we are making a more decent society, one that does not humiliate its members." By denying dignity, Section 377 humiliates a part of its citizenry.

Besides, if Shamim, Hanan and their kids ever visit me in Bombay, I'd like them to feel safe and their sexual self to be intrinsically respected. I'd assure their children that you can forbid a lot of things in this world, but you can't forbid love: its power is invincible, its range transformative, its tenderness subtle enough to stun. Their mothers, I'd tell the boys, were right all along. And brave as hell.




(Shangvi is the author of The Last Song of Dusk)
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HAVE YOUR SAY
Sep 21, 2006 12:00 AM
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We already have too much unwarranted intrusion by law in most matters that are strictly individual. Let's do away with it where we can. To have sex or not, and with whom, is wholly an individual's concern. Unless there is force or a child involved, society has no business to question the individual's choice. Sexual orientation is decided largely by biology and partially by one's own experiences. To exercise it in the way one likes should be a given. If we cannot grant even such basic freedom to individuals, it's mere sham if we consider ourselves mature and 'developing' as a society. Freedom is open to abuse, but denying freedom is not the solution for that. Grant freedom, but control abuse. Let individuals have the right to choose their partners - whether of the same sex or opposite is a mere priority, not crime.

- Vijayender
Bangalore
Vj
Hyderabad, India
Sep 19, 2006 12:00 AM
26
nits i am in favour of 377. using this law, half of the chaddi gang can be send behind the bars.
that is what they do, isn't it? first sudhendra gets advani cked... then bjp gets suddhendra cked, then khurana again cks with advani, and in turn gets cked by BJP, then vajpayee cks with advani, and then RSS cks the whole BJP, and sudarshan cks with advaani and vajpayee, so they get to gether to ck back the sudarshan... LOL.. all of them behind the bar for anal. haha.


may be the congress also should be made to joing the chaddis, what with the congress gang bang involving maino mata?
bhushan
richmond, United States
Sep 19, 2006 12:00 AM
25
old mac writes “Most Dense” is the superlative form; not “densest

actually densest dose qualify. perhaps you should brush up on your grammar before chiding faruki oh his.
bhushan
richmond, United States
Sep 23, 2005 12:00 AM
24
Adi,

Please don't bring Muslims in between you and Nits. Nits may not be a Muslim at all. Even if Nits is a Muslim, you can't brush the whole community with a single paint.
Pirik
Delhi, India
Sep 22, 2005 12:00 AM
23
Gay people should have the same rights as the others. The Government has no business regulating sex lives of consenting adults.
As for you Nits, you fat Barfbag,
Save the compliments for your mom, and did you give her the $5.00 I owe?
You puke: "then bjp gets suddhendra cked..all of them behind the bar for ... " like you bend over for some good 'ol action from your *uslim room-mates?
There is no need to discuss anything that remotely makes sense with you. It is probably not your fault anyway, it was your father who introduced you to the pleasures of the back-side. Go take it out on him.
Adi
XXXXX, USA
Sep 22, 2005 12:00 AM
22
your article on sexuality and male prostitution are informative. It only reveals the facts which can only be denied by a blind moral policeman or a liar. the work of Anita Khemka is of good taste and publishable. but , I could not establish the relation of survey and this work.
I also fail to understand the methodology of your survey. please mention the socio-economic background of your respondents and why about 2/3 responses were not consideres. It will help to get picture more clear.
Further, one of my friend suggest that all newsmagazine should denote the target readers' agegroup as these days several parents buy these magazines for their children. please do not take otherwise.
aishwarya mohan gahrana
aligarh, india
Sep 22, 2005 12:00 AM
21
I have not implied anything in any of my emails. You were the first to talk about last years elections. I didn’t talk about Hindu vote anywhere. There is nothing called Hindu vote bank as such. 364 is the number of constituencies where BJP contested alone. Rest of them were contested with their allies in pre-poll alliance. Congress, much older party, tried to run alone in 417 constituencies fighting against many parties which became their allies later on. This means that Congress pretty much managed to split vote in these constituencies and it ultimately joined hands with the eventual winner to form a post election alliance. Congress comes into picture here because of the same reason that BJP comes into picture. You think BJP is a fundamentalist party and I think of Congress as a sicular leftist communist family-run corrupt party. Nevertheless, I respect the mandate and I don’t claim BJP had the mandate either. In fact, I explicitly mentioned that I am not trying to put a spin on the election results. I believe it was a vote against BJP but don’t think it was a landslide victory for anybody.

Sandeep
pinko_buster
hyderabad, India
Sep 22, 2005 12:00 AM
20
since Mr sandeep bhagvatula has decided to drag the topic...
1) In your earlier mail, you implied that majority of the hindus supported BJP. My reply was to prove taht this is not true. Now where does congress vote % fit into this topic?
2) and now coming to the second tangential topic that you have initiated to escape the first one...even there you are wrong.
BJP contested in 364, because they knew they had a chance only on those. they would have gone ahead in other seats even if they felt they had outside chance. no one stopped them from going ahead and contesting all the 542 ones(542 .. i guess).
see, dude, rules are rules. get it in your muddle head. PT usha cannot go back and ask for her bronze medal saying that she lost only by a millisecond. so learn to respect the rules and the law of the land.
nits
nashville, USA
Sep 22, 2005 12:00 AM
19
ok mr. aryabhatta(had to say that since I don’t know of any notable muslim mathematicians)..since you broached the topic, here is the math of 2004 election results

While BJP has managed to get double digit seats in 7 states, Congress has managed to get to double digits only in 4 states with major gains only in Andhra Pradesh which is pretty much a mandate against TDP if looked at in conjunction with the state elections.
BJP
Contested: 364
Won 138
Percentage Won: 37.91%
Percentage of votes received: 22.16%

Congress
Contested: 417
Won: 145
Percentage Won: 34.77%
Percentage of votes received: 26.53%
which indicate, if you do the math, that numerically Congress has received more votes against it than BJP did. So I would call it a mandate against Congress. I am not attempting to put a twist on the elections. Unlike many muSLIMES, I respect democracy and secularism which BTW muSLIMES are surely not if look around the world and in India. All I am saying is that there was by no means a clear mandate to anybody in this elections.

Sandeep Bhagavatula
pinko_buster
hyderabad, India
Sep 22, 2005 12:00 AM
18
Let me welcome, on behalf of everyone... a new moron in the alrealdy bloated club. the club, ladies and gentle men, believes that every hindu is a die hard supporter of chaddis and BJP. some classic specimens include dharamyudh, adi, lalit bagaee and panicker.
that they do not understand basic mathematics, is clear from the fact that they cannot interpret a simple result that INDIAN elections in 2004 threw up... that if majority of the hindus in a 85 % hindu land supported BJP, their seat % would not be 20% of the parliament. LOL.
nits
nashville, USA
Sep 22, 2005 12:00 AM
17
We are not talikng about mohMAD here NITS, nor are we describing Jannat. So its better you save your rhetoric for the nearest terror factory..oh I mean your mosque and train your 5 year olds to blow up on street corners in order to be sodomists...
good luck

Sandeep
pinko_buster
hyderabad, India
Sep 22, 2005 12:00 AM
16
i am in favour of 377. using this law, half of the chaddi gang can be send behind the bars.
that is what they do, isn't it? first sudhendra gets advani cked... then bjp gets suddhendra cked, then khurana again cks with advani, and in turn gets cked by BJP, then vajpayee cks with advani, and then RSS cks the whole BJP, and sudarshan cks with advaani and vajpayee, so they get to gether to ck back the sudarshan... LOL.. all of them behind the bar for anal. haha.
nits
nashville, USA
Sep 21, 2005 12:00 AM
15
Even your privacy concession isn't adequate. Why do you pussyfoot around and not clearly say that adult incest is beyond society's regulation?

I am more than happy to put up my neaderthalic views against your troglogdytic views, anyday.


Old Mac
???, United States
Sep 21, 2005 12:00 AM
14
Old Mac, the consenting adult standard, with the further qualificatiion of prvacy, is the standard most often cited in legal discussions. Your requirement of what public policy requires is arbitrary and an attempt to mask your neanderthal views on the subject.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Sep 21, 2005 12:00 AM
13
Old Mac, Re densest, before you start playing your rude mouth :


http://tinyurl.com/dr6nh
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Sep 21, 2005 12:00 AM
12
Ghulam writes:

>>Old Mac pontificates way beyond his ken, "This post sounds like a juvenile poseur wanting to make a conspicuous public spectacle of the his putative liberalism."

If it’s beyond ken, is it also beyond barbie?

>>Old Mac, this is probably the densest statement you have made so far….The fact that consensual private sexual behavior between adults should be beyond the arm of the law is a statement so often repeated in these discussions, that for you to be shocked by it, and your bringing up bizarre extreme examples to combat it is beyond the pale. I have not heard, nor have you, of any legal intervention any time in a case of a sexual act between a consenting father and a consenting adult daughter. However your stupidity is most evident in the fact that you totally missed the main point I was making in my post.

“Most Dense” is the superlative form; not “densest.” Behind a thin veneer of shallow liberalism, you are an irascible lightweight. Enough about your grammatical and emotional infirmities. We move onto substantive matters.

Your “main point” on circumcision is indeed unassailable but it also uninteresting and irrelevant to public policy. However, your follow up comment on consenting adults is relevant to public policy and fodder for discussion. I showed that consenting adults is an inadequate standard to formulate public policy. Instead of either graciously refining your standard or bravely arguing that adult incest should be permitted, you bristle with claims of “bizarre extreme examples.” How else does one show inadequacy of the standard you advocate but by “bizarre extreme examples” that it condones? It is irrelevant whether there was an actual case of legal intervention between a father and consenting adult daughter. In public policy, we attempt to draw sharp lines around punishable conduct while not violating our shared fundamental values.

The strength of a claim is not a function of how often it is repeated, but by its persuasive force and its robust applicability under variety of circumstances.
Old Mac
???, United States
Sep 21, 2005 12:00 AM
11
Ghulam objects:

>>>>Old Mac wrote, "Ghulam writes:

>>>>Circumcision in Islam is an example of "discreet expressions of variant sexuality"

>>Old Mac, I made no such statement. If you want to continue making your inane introjections, at least make sure that you get what I said right.

I apologize for my misattribution. My post should have read, “Ghulam responded” to the quoted post that circumcision was a “custom.” However, my response on circumcision stands.
Old Mac
???, United States
Sep 20, 2005 12:00 AM
10
Law is reflection of common acceptable behavior of constituents of a society which would allow, enable and encourage the societies to thrive and progress. Sodomy is banned in almost all the countries in the world. Making paranormal and abnormal behavior to sound normal is not Law.
1.) Would the author approve of INCEST as acceptable if the consenting parties are adults? Well…may be if some lunatic from the US left thinks of it as normal.
2.) Would the author approve of bestiality if it is done in backyards because the Government has to keep out of private property?
3.) Would the author approve of people running on roads naked? Afterall clothes are unique human invention just to cover up something that is natural in all life forms (well most of the life forms)
4.) Finally where was this human rights saviour till now. Why is gay rights issue even an issue in India suddenly. Whiny pony pinkie liberals destroying societies.
....you practice sodomy? great well…its not your mistake nor it’s a mental disorder, its just a matter of choice!!
…I puke at these guys….go get a surgery done and be a part of majority society instead of smoking joins in dark corners and blind alleys and hating the world
Sandeep Bhagavatula
pinko_buster
hyderabad, India
Sep 20, 2005 12:00 AM
9
Old Mac pontificates way beyond his ken, "This post sounds like a juvenile poseur wanting to make a conspicuous public spectacle of the his putative liberalism."

Old Mac, this is probably the densest statement you have made so far. You do not seem to show any comprehension of what was under discussion. The subject, for your meager comprehension, was the fact that circumcision is not an alternative life style which one could bring up while dicussing Mr Sanghvi's article. The fact that consensual private sexual behavior between adults should be beyond the arm of the law is a statement so often repeated in these discussions, that for you to be shocked by it, and your bringing up bizarre extreme examples to combat it is beyond the pale. I have not heard, nor have you, of any legal intervention any time in a case of a sexual act between a consenting father and a consenting adult daughter. However your stupidity is most evident in the fact that you totally missed the main point I was making in my post.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Sep 20, 2005 12:00 AM
8
Old Mac wrote, "Ghulam writes:

>>Circumcision in Islam is an example of "discreet expressions of variant sexuality"

Old Mac, I made no such statement. If you want to continue making your inane introjections, at least make sure that you get what I said right.

Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Sep 20, 2005 12:00 AM
7
Ghulam writes:

>> Mr Parthasarathy, private sexual behavior between consulting adults should not concern the law. Circumcision is not "sexual behavior", and it is not an alternative manifestation of the sexual instinct. While a debate on the pros and cons of circumcision may be of some interst, the subject has no relevance to Mr Sanghvi's excellent article.

This post sounds like a juvenile poseur wanting to make a conspicuous public spectacle of the his putative liberalism. It falls apart upon closer scrutiny. If consulting adults is the only criterion to keep such activity from the long arm of the law, then what about adult incest? A father and his adult daughter; a mother and her adult son; a grandfather and his adult granddaughter (or grandson for that matter)? In all such cases, the actors are adults. According to the articulated standard, it is none of law’s business. But even the most unsophisticated and inarticulate person instinctively knows something is wrong with it. Could a legislature make a judgment that enough of such relationships are inherently exploitive (especially in India), it serves no interest in spending investigative resources to sort out conflicting claims of consent, and progeny of such relationships have developmental and genetic defects to society's detriment? If so, isn't outlawing adult incest a rational response by a society? Where does that leave your consenting adult standard?
Old Mac
???, United States
Sep 20, 2005 12:00 AM
6
Ghulam writes:

>>Circumcision in Islam is an example of "discreet expressions of variant sexuality"

Initially, it was neither an expression nor a custom. Its purpose was to remind their covenant with their God. Its theological start perhaps became customary. Recent Press accounts report that circumcision makes disease transmission much harder. May be their God knew what he was talking about.
Old Mac
???, United States
Sep 19, 2005 12:00 AM
5
My last post :

"consenting" not consulting.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Sep 19, 2005 12:00 AM
4
Mr Parthasarathy, private sexual behavior between consulting adults should not concern the law. Circumcision is not "sexual behavior", and it is not an alternative manifestation of the sexual instinct. While a debate on the pros and cons of circumcision may be of some interst, the subject has no relevance to Mr Sanghvi's excellent article.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Sep 19, 2005 12:00 AM
3
>> Circumcision in Islam is an example of "discreet expressions of variant sexuality"

Mr Parthasarthy, something that is practised by whole communities (Jews and Muslims) cannot be called a variant. It is best to call it a "custom". Female circumcision is a tribal custom in some African communities, and is unrelated to Semitic religions.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Sep 19, 2005 12:00 AM
2
Mr Shanghvi is to be congratulated for urging tolerance and for favoring decriminalization of alternative life styles. Law has no place in private bedrooms, and using the law to punish or put to shame discreet expressions of variant sexuality should be a thing of the past.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Sep 19, 2005 12:00 AM
1
The author writes:

>>Section 377 asserts: "Whosoever has carnal intercourse voluntarily against the order of nature with any man, woman or animal shall be punished with imprisonment for life, or imprisonment for a term which may extend to 10 years, and shall be liable to fine."

>>Although rarely used to punish, Section 377 blasts a violent stigma over a specific sexual act—anal intercourse; stigmatising homosexuality…Let's also not forget that one person's power is defined by another person's powerlessness: power, without relative value, ceases to exist. And the power to forbid is innately arousing: it's sadomasochism of the mind.

I can unhesitatingly defend the right of any society to express its collective morality, even in sexual matters. However, I am troubled whenever criminal law is the vehicle for such expression.

Section 377 is an interpretive thicket for even competent judges. We can imagine the horrors that would be the handiwork of Indian judges. “Against the order of nature..” what could this possibly mean? Exactly how did nature intend for us to have sex? While we all have our moral standards of reference, what is the legal standard? We know that phrase is a Victorian delicacy to mean homosexuality and bestiality. However, since statute says “with any man, woman or animal,” all sexual conduct is subject to this provision. Does having sex with lights on constitute a violation since we do not know if it is against nature’s order? Indian sex typically involves a woman pretending to be asleep while a man mauls her. Does she violate the law if she opened her eyes when it is “natural” for her to keep her eyes closed through such a mauling session? Does a leisurely love-making session constitute a crime because the “natural” expectation for an Indian woman for the sex act to be a furtive encounter which Hobbes described in a different context as short, brutish and nasty? Does anything other than a missionary position (man on top) constitute sex against nature? Only in the bedroom? Only on the bed? Only lying horizontally? Only at night? Only with lights off? Only vaginal intercourse? Only without making a sound? only….only…By the time lawyers and judges figure it out, rest of us will have lost our erections……..and interest.
Old Mac
???, United States
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