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US Soldiers re-enact Ben Hur prior to Fallujah assault
Fallujah
The End Of Warfare
Against the most heavily armed opponent in the history of War, Fallujah has still not let itself be "taken" to date. The mightiest military machine in history has met its match. A turning point in military affairs? The end of warfare, as practiced by the Americans - the application of overwhelming force to obtain a victory?

Fallujah per se, on the face of it, is not a strategic or a militarily significant target. It however represents the "great challenge" to the US/UK's military occupation of Sovereign Iraq since April 2003.

In the first siege of Fallujah in April 2004, the Iraqi Resistance inflicted a severe defeat on the Americans. In April 2004, while over 1,200 Iraqis were killed, blown up, burnt or shot alive by the Americans -- two thirds of them civilians, mostly women and children -- while 2,000-pound bombs were falling on the the city, AC-130 Spectre gunships were demolishing entire city blocks in less than a minute and of course silence of the plop as Iraqis targeted by marine snipers hit the ground, nonetheless the operative portion remains: the Marines were beaten back in no uncertain terms. This was followed by a "truce".

The truce did not hold for very long.

This humiliation of the American military was spun as a "strategic retreat" but the desire to get rid of the "weeping sore that Fallujah was" has been on top of the US agenda since then. Fallujah represented a "stellar act of defiance" one that allowed the resistance to "actually secure and control a city, and to beat off the US military"

The second formal large scale assault on Fallujah (Nov./Dec 2004) pitted images of the world's most powerful military force against fighters in tennis shoes, wielding homemade rocket launchers. There were three declared tactical objectives. The first was to either kill or capture the Jordanian born "terrorist" "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi" (if indeed he exists) and to "battle and destroy some 4000 to 5000 suspected fighters". The Americans also vowed to "liberate" the residents of Fallujah from "criminal elements" and to "secure Fallujah" for the January elections. Lastly, it appears an additional declared tactical/political objective of the American Military's task was to engage in a "fight of good versus evil". Additionally it appears (presumably per their intelligence reports) that the mission also was to "destroy" "Satan" since it appears that "he lives in Fallujah"

On the face of it, it appears as if none of these tactical/military objectives have been met, including, it appears, the desire to presumably meet Mr Satan, resident of Fallujah.

As for the other very laudable and rationally quantifiable objectives including that of stuffing democracy into a city by simply obliterating it, all of these seem to be a bit astray.

48 hours into the offensive, the official narratives were filled with reports that Zarqawi (if indeed such a entity exists) may have "slipped outside" of their perimeter defenses.

This of course left Mr "Satan" still in residence together with the rest of the unfortunate inhabitants of the "militant stronghold". The city of 300,000 residents had perhaps an estimated 40,000 civilians left per the US military. Since this estimated number included 5000 resident "militants", one can presume that the rest (per the US military) would be civilians.

The actual civilian count remaining in the city on the 8th of November is around around 60,000 to as much as 100,000 since males between the ages 16 and 60 were disbarred by the US military from leaving the city.

One can also infer the most vulnerable--the poor, the old, the women, children and the sick--continued to reside in their city in significant numbers -- of the order of 40,000+

With the "target softening" bombing raids that killed a few hundred civilians in the first week of November, the first formal target of the US military armored assault was doctors and the nurses. These were the first to be eliminated as these were "legitimate military target" and since "insurgents" were "forcing the doctors there to release propaganda and false information".

The assault has left as many as 10,000 civilian dead--perhaps much much more . The Red Cross/Red Crescent estimate was upwards of 6000 as of November 25th. Till date no formal Red Cross/Red Crescent operation has been allowed in the city.

What the images of Phantom Fury did not convey is that this assault is the largest concentration of heavy armor in one place, since the fall of Berlin. This was the first time since World War II that "an American armored task force" has been turned "loose in a city with no restrictions".

More to the point, the force of as much as 20,000 soldiers (12,000 to 17,000 American/coalition soldiers, about 2000 odd Iraqi "National guards" and perhaps 1000 odd peshmergas) were supported by an estimated 1100 to as much as 2000 armored vehicles and tanks. Air support was largely carrier based out of the gulf and B-52's from bases outside of Iraq.

The armor alone represents the heaviest ever concentration of armor since the fall of Berlin (1945) in one place against a single military objective.

Phantom Fury was officially underway on the 8th of November and declared to be a sweeping victory on or about the 15th of November.

Thereafter the military communiqués and the press reports have been limited to occasional deaths in the "Anbar province". That all of Fallujah is under "coalition" control since then i.e on or about November 15th 2004. Since then detailed stories on Fallujah in the official narrative have stopped completely or refer to action/discoveries between the 8th and the 19th of November 04.

There is no evidence of what has transpired save intermittent but very very regular losses attributed to "pockets of resistance" in the "Anbar Province". And, yes, reportage on the brand new movie on Fallujah starring Harrison Ford.

Now for a moment, consider the substantive anomalies in the official discourse. Consider one such example- Satellite Imagery of Fallujah (block by block including "after action") available to the media till the 15th of November and carried in graphic detail day by day from the 8th of Nov. through the 15th stopped abruptly. There are no explanations.


Courtesy: globalsecurity.org

There are no satellite pictures of Fallujah available in the public domain after November 15th.

Or consider that the Red Cross/Red crescent has not been allowed to enter the city in any substantive manner. Today is the 20th of Dec and it has still not been allowed.

Or consider another break in the regular stream of consciousness. No reporter has set foot in the city or after the 22nd of November.

A "Great Victory" like this and no footage?

These anomalies are noteworthy. Therefore it is very unclear whether this is indeed the case or, as a matter of fact, the converse is.

Fallujah has not been taken. Not only has Fallujah not been taken, but the coalition forces have staged several retreats and are now confined largely to the outside of the city.

The Iraqi resistance is currently in control of most of the city and have forced back at least three of the largest armored assaults in recent history.

In fact, one can make a claim that this was the largest series of armored assault ever. The objective is 16 sq km and if one were to normalise over time and term for incremental intensity in firepower that this represents, then these are historically unprecedented. Now if these were not only repulsed, but perhaps defeated, it leads to something that ought to be examined more carefully.

Despite being flattened (perhaps about 12,000 to as much as 20,000 homes out of an estimated 50,000 razed) by the application of, as US Army Gen. John Abizaid put it, "more military power per square inch than anybody else on earth".

Curiously, the US general then very very strangely goes on to add: "If you ever even contemplate our nuclear capability, it should give everybody the clear understanding that there is no power that can match the United States militarily."

Oh. Let me contemplate the nuclear capability of the US. Never mind. It is a bore.

So?

The General also said, when talking about generating "more military power per square inch than anybody else on earth".that "every one knows it". Oh. The words of the General--the mightiest general of them all--Commander Centom, do not appear to have been heard. At least, the Iraqi resistance has not heard them.

The mightiest military machine ever in world history with the mightiest firepower the world has ever seen has been mightily trying to capture Fallujah. But no luck so far.

Instead the Americans faced an opposition that broke the back of the assault. Instead of "breaking bone by bone" and crushing "the backbone of the insurgents", it seems to appear that the same has been done unto them as they were planning to do unto the resistance.

At the peak of the assault, the Americans held no more than 35-40% of Fallujah (largely the north on or around the 18th of November) Thereafter, they appear to have been steadily repulsed and in fact the coalition forces currently have been repulsed to where they were on November 13th or thereabouts and to the outskirts of Fallujah.

Now consider the fate of the rest of the occupation. It is in tatters. The mightiest military in the world cannot control an 8 km stretch of road, perhaps the single most important road in all of Iraq – the Airport Road from the center of Baghdad to the airport. The purported troop concentration is 120 soldiers per km of a open road and despite that the Australian defence minister could not even make it to the green zone and simply flew back from the airport.

Unlike Vietnam, where the American were largely in control of the cities for most parts (save Tet, and even there complete control was not lost), the US/UK garrisons are isolated in the middle of a hostile population.

They cannot even traverse a km or two out of the 'green zone". Their supply convoys have come to a standstill over the last month and a salvage operation of re-supplying by air has started over the last 10-12 days. Air supplies are limited and there is no reason to believe that these can be significant (a max of 400 tonnes a day, slated to rise to 1600 tonnes a day against an estimated minimum 20,000 odd tonnes needed daily to keep a force of 160,000+ fed, watered, armored and resupplied).

The 300 mile long supply line is toast. Well, at least any thing dark, metallic, armored or otherwise. (4000 pounds of armor on a humvee that can carry a max load of 5000 pounds) Can it move? And even that is not helpful – in the words of the great military strategist, Rumsfeld, circa Dec 04, even tanks blow up. Why bother at all?

Against the most heavily armed opponent in the history of War, Fallujah has still not let itself be "taken" to date (As of 20th Dec, 2004). Falluah and indeed the rest of Iraq post April 2003, heralds "supersymmetrical" warfare and the end of conventional warfare. This represents a turning point in military affairs – the end of warfare--as practiced by the Americans i.e the application of overwhelming force to obtain a victory.

If this is indeed correct (and there is no reason to consider any other alternative) then the Iraqi Resistance's repulsing the assault and indeed the forcing back of the American positions represents not only a turning point in the American occupation of Sovereign Iraq but in fact a turning point in warfare itself.

In fact, it would certainly be one of the greatest military victories in history.

Over the last 30 years since Vietnam, the normative amount of explosive power and force multipliers available to the Americans and their opponents (compared to say the North Koreans in the 50's, the NVA in the 60s) has normalised and in fact are comparable if one were to factor in the context in which the firepower is used and deployed.

The 'normalisation" of firepower on a level playing field- In this case, Fallujah, or for that matter the rest of Iraq, is noteworthy.

Consider one such example. A RPG 7 can travel up to 300/700/950 meters. At 300 meters, even a basic warhead can penetrate 330 mm of steel armor. Yes, 33 cms, 13 inches--that is a lot of steel. The projectile would cost perhaps $30-40. Conservatively, a squad of 3 armed with RPG-7s have more than a fighting chance against a M1 Abrams. In close urban quarters, the advantage that the tank had (in say open ground in a conventional war) is completely lost.

The cost/personnel advantage is noteworthy. With minimal or no training, just about any one can operate a RPG. A squad of say 3 would cost perhaps no more than $5000 to equip. Against this, the M1 Abrams ("the mightiest tank", 70 odd tonnes of steel, a few million a pop).

Now consider the mightiest Gun in the West against the rookie squad of three. Throw in a street. Add cover (even rubble will do, in fact quite nicely, thank you)

Even odds?

Now consider for a moment. Consider a force of say a few thousand men -- the best in the business and certainly the bravest men on the face of this planet--say no more than 3000, anything more and it would be one sided. 3000 against 12,000 to 20,000 sounds about right.

Now add ingenuity, intelligence and passion and a good reason to be very very angry. Throw in a just cause. In fact, the "most just cause of all".

Now consider that these are equipped with only say RPG 7s as well as say RPG 9s, a few dozen Strellas, a few thousand modified versions of the S5K rocket, basic antiaircraft guns, a few hundred tonnes of say c4/semtex (it is quite cheap), a few thousand fin stabilised rockets (52 mm to 152 mm), basic artillery and mortar (say 60mm, 82mm, and 120mm shells), a few SAMs (say SAM7 and SAM 9), a few thousand grad rockets, faithful ole Kalasnikovs, a few hundred sniper rifles with say .50 mm explosive ammo. It may also be possible that few Samud and Abgail missiles (range of 100 km) are available.These are not very large missiles. Add a few more, nothing fancy again--say, the Tariq and Katyusha, very very basic indeed).

There is more, but you get the idea. Not very state of the art weapons, far from it. But very very functional. Now, consider the sheer amount of counter offensive power these represent

Add to that pre-prepared defensive positions, not very fancy for sure but very functional and very very functional minefields with a variety of triggers. Throw in, the "most ingenious" booby traps ever.

Add the Iraqi resistance--the bravest of the brave--operating these. Well now, it is state of the art. The State of the Art of Urban Warfare.

Oh yes, And yes, how can I forget toys. Well, one needs to buy those since "remote controls from toys" (Well at least as per the American Military) are a primary trigger in IEDs. So we add a few 10s of dollars per toy car and remote kit, say from your local K-mart.K-mart?. Turns out that an army cannot be equipped from K-mart, to quote the great military tactician Rumsfeld once again, circa early Dec 0). Also turns out Centcom claims that they cannot jam these (circa Dec 04,)

It does appear that we have a problem here. Toy remotes. Rather sad, would you not say? Coming from the second in command of the Mightiest Super powers' mightiest command. Beam me up, Scotty.

Now pit against them a "superpower" that has already spent 150 billion of declining currency for sure but buys plenty still. Do not forget to add 450 billion recurring every year. (Hey it can buy anything but armor). Add another 100 billion on the cards (Jan 04).

But this does not help.

Short of using a neutron or a nuclear bomb (the Americans did use chemical weapons in Fallujah), despite all efforts, what the Americans have been able to achieve is relatively little, if anything at all, even in the best case estimates of the official narrative.

45 days and going on and on and on and on.

Oh, oh, but, but, but we took Baghdad in 21 days.

45 days for 16 sq kms.....

The opposing American army in this case has not been able to be actually "take" them out. Never mind control or physically occupying 16 sq kms.

In fact, even a neutron bomb would not be militarily significant. You need to "take" it and keep it and keep on keeping it and keep on and on and on....

And they have not. They will not. They cannot

The limits of raw firepower have been reached and no matter what (2000 pound bombs to container cluster bombs to the new "large Abrams" tank. Oh well, if not a RPG7, a RPG9 or two will do the trick, thank you), the American military objective is no longer possible.

Shoulder-held surface to air weapons limit the role of armored copters. In fact there are several 'copter graveyards in and around Fallujah. Big ones. Some of them are quite near the tank killing fields. Yes, several hundred armored vehicles resting, not quite in peace but hey...

Close air support is not feasible on account of the proximity of "friendlies". Savage bombing without limits does not help.

The war in the former Yugoslavia is a case in point. Despite 72 days of non stop bombing, it is now (post facto) a conceded position that the opposing side lost no more than 5-10% of their military hardware. (The loss was political, but that is another story.)

Now consider an entirely different narrative. Of the the land between the two rivers, of your ancestors and my ancestors, of the fountainheads of civilisation, of Sumer, Ur, Mesopotamia, of Lions, of Hummurabi, of Salah al Din Yusuf Ibn Ayyub and much much more.

And yes, a place. Called Fallujah. But, say, about 84 years ago

And now add to the narrative, parts of the present: a unilaterally disarmed opponent (remember the tizzy circa late march 03 about night vision equipment? Night vision? Never mind state of the art SAMs and Kornets. The sanctions? Oh what were they?

Now add 25 million men, women and children – the richest denizens on this planet (Yes the richest. In every sense. As the very inheritors of civilisation it self. Or in a more mundane sense with 300 billion+ barrels of oil, an average Iraqi's garbage would be reconstructing the streets of Manhattan in a fairer world (the Americans have in contrast 22.5 billion barrels left), and, yes, the bravest. And the most suffering on the face of this planet

Add to that the Story of Fallujah (circa late 2004). Then perhaps you will not be so astonished to hear what appear to be strange words to your ears.

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Dec 22, 2004 12:00 AM
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An excellent piece! Good to see the free world media trying to get the truth out to the people rather than some propaganda designed to be fed to mindless imbeciles.
Joe
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Dec 22, 2004 12:00 AM
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"Of the the land between the two rivers, of your ancestors and my ancestors, of the fountainheads of civilisation, of Sumer, Ur, Mesopotamia, of Lions, of Hummurabi, of Salah al Din Yusuf Ibn Ayyub and much much more.
And yes, a place. Called Fallujah."

Dude, those might be YOUR civilizations ...they certainly are not mine. Also, lets see you write something like this about the exploits of the Indian soldiers. You wont ! Scum like you, Arunditi didi et al can only support & praise terrorists . And you are practically licking the dust of the feet of the Iraqi terrorists ... I certainly hope you meet the same fate as Ms Hassan.

Dharmayudh Singh
Philadelphia, USA
Dec 22, 2004 12:00 AM
3
Seems unreal, but also rings true.
Thank the Resistance for halting Empire.
More mysteries:
Yoday at Mosul (Nineveh) a mystery blast kills 25-60 inside a base. Attacking bases would be the classic step-up in Asym warfare
(or SuperAsym as we must now call it)
gbruno.tblog.com
giordano bruno
New York, United States
Dec 22, 2004 12:00 AM
4
Is this propaganda or what? I don't know why you guys keep wishing for USA's failure. If US fails, the consequences would be catastrophic (at least to us in India and may be Israel). Remember what happened with all the terrorists did after erstwhile USSR withdrew from Afghanistan? Remember the spurt in terrorism in J&K?

Be happy and grateful that US is fighting our war.
rajeev
branford, ct
Dec 22, 2004 12:00 AM
5
Dharamyudh Singh, brown nigger boy trying to be white. Why don't you shut the F***** UP for a change
senna
bhopal, india
Dec 22, 2004 12:00 AM
6
As usual, another round of ranting and raving from
a commie/pseudo-secular author writing for his equally short sighted and elitist employers. Who the hell is this guy?? Does he even know what he is talking about? He is trying to convince us that the terrorists will succeed in defeating the greatest power in the world. All I have to say is
"In your wet dreams!!!!"
Lord
Paris, France
Dec 22, 2004 12:00 AM
7
This must be your worst nightmare come true, eh? The friggin' Americans getting pounded in Fallujah!!!! Tell you what dude -- you don't even know what hit you. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
senna
bhopal, india
Dec 22, 2004 12:00 AM
8
And if all this isn't enough, try this

Fallujah: Little Stalingrad
by William S. Lind

"...........Operationally, Fallujah, like Stalingrad, proved to be a trap. It led us to concentrate so many of our few combat troops in one place that the insurgency was able to make major gains in other, more important places. It again drew a glaring contrast between how America fights – by pouring in firepower – and the stated aim of the American invasion of Iraq, liberating the Iraqi people. You cannot liberate people by destroying their homes, their jobs, and their cities. If operational art is the art of linking tactical actions to strategic goals, American generals have once again shown the world that they have no operational skill – a situation that is typical of a Second Generation military. (It may be useful to remember that the American military failed operationally in the first Gulf War as well; Saddam's Republican Guard escaped 7th Corps' slow, inept attempt at operational encirclement.)

After the first Marine assault on Fallujah in April – an assault that was wisely abandoned, since it threatened to set off a nationwide uprising against the occupation – Pat Buchanan said that Fallujah will probably mark the high water line of neocon imperialism. I think the outcome of the second battle of Fallujah will confirm that prescient assessment. Just as Stalingrad marked the turning point in Fall Barbarossa, so Fallujah will go down in history as the "tipping point" in America's Last Crusade."

For the full story: http://www.antiwar.com/lind/?articleid=4201
senna
bhopal, india
Dec 22, 2004 12:00 AM
9
Senna,

Let me get this straight ... If I am for white/black/brown Americans kicking the tail of brown terrorists, I am a "brown nigger boy trying to be white" ....

but If I am a brown man, licking the dust of feet of a white Italian Signora, ruling over me, then I am a "secular, progressive"

Hmmm...

Also, elections due in Iraq in January ... Shiites + Kurds will rule ... and once they obtain power, (which was denied to them for the past 50-100 years by the Sunnis), you think that they will let these Sunni terrorists operate.

Stalingrad = Nazis v/s Russian army + people

Fallujah = Sunni terrorists v/s Americans + Shias + Kurds + peace-loving Sunnis

Hmmm ... commonsense & logic were never the forte of our Secular progresives.
Dharmayudh Singh
Philadelphia, USA
Dec 23, 2004 12:00 AM
10
Also,

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http://w ww.saag.org/papers12/paper1198.html

IRAQI TALIBAN STRIKES IN MOSUL
by B.Raman

Nineteen US troops and three others were reportedly killed on December 21, 2004, in an attack on an improvised dining hall of an American military base at Mosul in northern Iraq. An organisation called Jaish Ansar al-Sunnah (JAAS) has claimed responsibility for the attack.

2.While the JAAS has projected it as a suicide bombing thereby giving the impression that it has been able to penetrate the US military base, local US army spokesmen have described it as a mortar attack, similar to the mortar attacks on the Green Zone in Baghdad, which one witnesses frequently.

3. The JAAS, which came to notice for the first time in February, 2004, for a major terrorist strike in the Kurdish areas, has claimed the responsibility for many killings of kidnapped hostages, including 12 Nepalis, and a number of daring attacks---not only in and around Mosul, but also in different areas of the Sunni Triangle. The incidents outside Mosul show that it has a wide reach in the Sunni majority areas of Iraq.

4. It advocates a hardline fundamentalism, similar to that of the Afghan Taliban. It describes its objectives as not only the defeat of the US-led occupation troops and the liberation of Iraq from their subjugation, but also as the establishment of an orthodox Islamic rule in Iraq after its liberation. It says that those Iraqis, who had willingly sacrificed their lives in the jihad against the occupiers, would have died in vain if a secular government was to be restored in Iraq after the defeat of the occupying forces.

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< BR>Please note that Indian secularists like Senna, Arunditi didi, Jha, Mehta et al. support the operations of the Iraqi Taliban because

INDIAN SECULARISTS/JOURNALISTS = ISLAMIC TERRORISTS
Dharmayudh Singh
Philadelphia, USA
Dec 23, 2004 12:00 AM
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The only worthwhile point of this rather odd article is the difficulty the West's armies have dealing with guerrilla tactics. But this difficulty is nothing new of course but as old as warfare itself.
This article just oozes hatred of the West. The "West" of course is a codeword for "White". This is an anti-white racist hate article. This is then confirmed by some of the other response letters most notably those comments by "Senna", a person who appears to be on the edge of a racist hate brain explosion.
America's war on Terror has not a dang thing to do with "race". This notion is just some weird delusion that your disturbed little minds have cooked up.
This war has everything to do with a response to a deadly attack on America's homeland. Also a response to DECADES of other terrorist attacks against American assets and interests, really beginning in 1978 with the USA embassy being attacked in Iran.
This war also has things to do with overthrowing an evil tyrant that entertained itself by raping wives and daughters in front of fathers, and throwing people into plastic shredders.
This war is also another step towards making the world a decent place to live for all people in every corner of this planet.
Yes violence is necessary towards this end.
If Ghandi-like nonviolence would placate the planet then why pray tell does India have an army ?
I'm running out of space I think, but I must say your anti-white hatred mystifies me.
Just what exactly is your beef ?
Leyshon
Cleveland, United States
Dec 23, 2004 12:00 AM
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Another strange point of view this article exhibits, it simultaneously condemns the US military for civilian casualities (overblown figures by the way), then ridicules the US military for its problems in the Fallujah campaign. These problems arise from America's retraint, precisely out of concern for civilians. This restraint the articles author then gleefully describes as a military defeat.
The author tellingly dismisses America's nuke capabilities as "boring". No not boring. What he quickly wants to avoid is acknowledging that fact that America's WMDs could extinguish all life in the Middle East.
Why do I say this?
To point out the fact that if America was so blood thirsty, so racist and unconcerned about "women and children", why the heck would we sacrifice our sons and daughters wageing this war with conventional weapons ?

Relatedly, who would claim that these terrorists would exhibit similiar restraint if they had these capabilities ?

Of course they use them ! They attempt to aquire these type weapons even as we speak.
Their targets? Israel, the USA, probably most of Europe, all of sub-Africa....India?, oh you don't think so ? Please.
These mad dogs would end up using it upon themselves.
Leyshon
Cleveland, United States
Dec 23, 2004 12:00 AM
13
Kudos! I couldn't help laughing, but then again. you did report the truth while injecting humor in your style. Love it! Most trenchant!
Gina Villanueva
Houston, United States
Dec 23, 2004 12:00 AM
14
Another misguided, delusional, myopic and factulally incorrect piece.

The author repeated calls the Iraqi fighters the bravest in the world. Perhaps, he thinks that the bravest people in the world choose to live in dictatorships and in tyranny for decades like these "brave" people did. I guess, one has to make the case that either the people of Iraq were extremely happy under Saddam Hussein or they are not brave ( assuming brave people would fight agaisnt tryanny ). I am not sure what this authors delusioanl view on that is.

He calls them the richest citizens in the world as well. Clearly, in his opinion the preferred way to distribute that wealth amongst the brave Iraqis was the way it was for the past 30 years under Saddam Hussein.

Its sad to see whats decades of oppression by brutal regimes in the region had done to the once great country and if the US fails the region will stay doomed as it was prior to the invasion and a majority of Iraqis will have the same existence they had before ( living in fear with no economic opportunity for the youth ). That is true for most of the Arab and Muslim countries. It will be intersting to see if democarcy can exist in a muslim country. There are no real examples but one can hope.




Raj Tewari
Chicago, United States
Dec 24, 2004 12:00 AM
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WE SALUTE THE PEOPLE OF FALLUJAH for the valiant fight they are still putting up against overwhelming odds, for their great battle against evil, and finally for their fight for simple self-respect and human dignity.
Consider an M1A1 Abrams main battle tank; a hunk of metal and fuel travelling at 70kmph and armed with a 120mm gun, ready to crush you into the ground if you don’t get out of the way.
Consider the backup this creation has: C130 Spectre gunships ready to blast a city block into rubble, real-time satellite intelligence, artillery and air support, and a propaganda machinery second to none on earth because it controls the purse strings and can pretend to purvey the truth.
Now consider explosive power which can blow years of work to rubble in less time than it takes to blink an eye, which theoretically at least destroy the interior of a building leaving the exterior intact (in practice it’s all rather different, but again its the propaganda that counts).
Finally, consider the war criminal who runs this machine: evil, racist, under-educated, so primitive in its thought processes that I remember one claiming that Iraq was an underdeveloped country simply because it hadn’t seen a McDonald’s anywhere, protected by Kevlar helmets and body armour, and yet preferring to fight from behind puppet troops and from as far away as possible. A criminal which sees nothing wrong in torturing your people for its amusement.
Now look at your own land: devastated through ten murderous years of criminal sanctions, invaded for its oil after putting up the flimsiest of excuses, and occupied by this same murderous gang.
You, yourself: in tennis shoes and T-shirts, not even a crash helmet between all of you, fighting with direct-fire weapons like AK47s and RPG7s, with the rubble of your city as your only protection.
Under these circumstances, should we have blamed you if you had chosen to run? Instead, not only have you stood and fought, you have actually been holding out for weeks and made your city a beacon of freedom in the world.
This is why we salute you, Fallujah’s freedom fighters. The people of the world will remember you always, as they will recall your inevitable victory against the forces of imperialism.
Biswapriya Purkayastha
Shillong, India
Dec 24, 2004 12:00 AM
16
I normally never read posts nowadays, because I have better things to do; but I see Jehad the quisling is up to his old yankee-worshipping tricks again.
PS Don't bother replying,I won't hang around to read your diatribes.
Biswapriya Purkayastha
Shillong, India
Dec 24, 2004 12:00 AM
17

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

2nd amendment, U.S. Constitution:
Wamba
Albuquerque, United States
Dec 24, 2004 12:00 AM
18
There is one thing common about all these gas bag journalists, they are all full of nonsense
Kranti
Mumbai, India
Dec 25, 2004 12:00 AM
19
Great Article. Should be in the Washington Post. I am going to mail it to every senator and congressman.
JIMMY WALTER
SANTA BARBARA, United States
Dec 25, 2004 12:00 AM
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Senna
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There must be a possibility for muslims and seculars to fight the US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. Stop abusing people and take the
route to maryrdom.

Bon voyage.
lalit bagai
kalundborg, danmark
Dec 25, 2004 12:00 AM
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Who is the author.

He seems to have all the details of the weaapons used, the firepower etc. No one else has come close to such detailed information.

Never mind. The USA has wrongfully started on a war in Iraq, and are now faceing the full fury of the Islamic forces. The outcome is uncertain.

In world war 2, Germany and Japan accepted US victory and foreign occupation. They were guided to democracy, and are now members of the civilised world.It is less likely in Iraq.

I have another comment to make.

In the last decade or so muslims countries have attacked each other.

aaa. Iraq invaded Iran, and in this brutal war about a million people, many civilians were killed.

bbb. Iraq invaded Kuwait. A big disaster,leading to the death of countless people.

ccc. Pakistani army committed genocide in Bangladesh. India stepped in to help.

What was the media reponse. In all cases the muslim media was quiet.

It must mean that a crime by a muslim against another can be forgiven.It becomes a crime if a non muslim kills a muslim.

Strange but true.
lalit bagai
kalundborg, danmark
Dec 26, 2004 12:00 AM
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Tariq
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I have a feeling that DS is on the same side as the Americans and the jews. He should not have any problems with them.

Have you thought of visiting the USA??
lalit bagai
kalundborg, danmark
Dec 26, 2004 12:00 AM
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It is sad that people like you and the rest of India take such great pleasure in gloating over the mess that the USA has created in Iraq.Even if you despise Bush,Rumsfeld and the rest of his neo-conservative types, I find it amazing that you so gleefully support Saddam's Baathist thugs who are trying their best to hold the rest of Iraq hostage.They are no nationalists, just brutal repressors who do not want to let go of the illegitimate power they once had and want to continuine their reign of oppression and terror.

Prithijit Ray
Chicago,USA
Prithijit Ray
chicago, usa
Dec 26, 2004 12:00 AM
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"This is why they want to have WMD, so that you will not even think about destroying their countries, you moron. Yankees are not racist ??? Ask the neg** about it , you fool."

How are blacks treated in the Middle East by the way ?
While slavery did exist in America, I'll point out that the British and Americans were the first modern cultures to out law slavery.
Seena protrays Americans as baby killers. I'll point out that America donates more free food and medicines to the world's poor than all of the rest of the countries COMBINED ! See, you anti-white racist don't want things like that mentioned.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans have sacrificed their lives working for the poor in third world countries....they are paid NOTHING.
When some disgusting third world thuggish regime begins killing its own people...who do they look to to stand up for the victims? America !
And we respond with what we have, our resources are not limitless.

It sure would be nice if India would help out.
But I can see here on this site that no, the USA will not get help from India....too many Saddam lovers...too many people whose minds walk in darkness and resentment.
At times like this I really wonder if the human species will make it.
I was hoping to see a united humanity turn its energies towards conqueoring something grand and worthy. Something like large scale space exploration and settlement.
But NOOO ! I spend my life witnessing humanity dealing with religious, self exploding mad dogs and various other collections of nutjobs, a few of which on this very website !

BEAM ME UP SCOTTY !!!

Leyshon
Cleveland, United States
Dec 26, 2004 12:00 AM
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The article took me over an hour to read because I couldn't stop laughing. It was most refreshing and hopeful. However the propaganda machinery of the powerful churns out its deception, reality only confirms the truth. And the reality of the Iraqi people is that for quite some time (over 30 years, if not longer) these people (and some much longer - Palestinians, Kashmiris, . . . all the denizens of muslim lands) have seen nothing but humiliation, torture, death from their rulers and the ones who bring these despots to power. Why is it today that if anywhere in the world there are men tortured, they are muslims, fathers and sons killed, they are muslims, if wifes widowed and children orphaned, they are muslims, if daughters and sisters raped, they are muslims, mass killings and genocides, its of muslims? Why don't they have one voice, one leader, one nation? Closer scrutiny only leads to one conclusion: they are a divided people, and so face the humiliation and extermination everywhere. If Fallujah has shown anything it is but their resolve as a people. They may lose a few battles here and there but in the end they will win the real war, the war on Islam and Muslims. It is but time that thinkers such as the author put pen to paper and enlighten the world of the truth of history and reality of world events.
M A S
West Covina, United States
Dec 26, 2004 12:00 AM
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In my response to Tariq I'd like to add that blacks in America do quite well. In fact there is no place on Earth that black people enjoy such prosperity. Racial tensions exist everywhere and I would suggest that America is probably one of the most tolerant nations on Earth.
ANYBODY can succeed in America.
The formula for success is simple and universial. That formula is, work hard, obey the law,practice the Golden Rule,don't abuse drugs.
That's it....there is no other barrier.
Americans would love to see this same freedom become the worldwide standard.
I'm not saying ALL Americans are saints and I know very well that some evil people who happen to be Americans have done some rotten things. But I swear that the huge majority of Americans wish good will towards all mankind.
Leyshon
Cleveland, United States
Dec 27, 2004 12:00 AM
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"At present, roughly half of the more than 3500 people on death row are people of colour."

Yes and as blacks commit 70% of the murders in America, the figure you stated shows that blacks are UNDERREPRESENTED in numbers on death row.

Also, the South Vietnamese DID invite Americans in to counter the communist invasion orchestrated by the Chinese.

Slavery in the USA. I notice this is big weapon on your attacks on America. Slavery doesn't exist in America....but it DOES in Muslim countries, even today.
You want to quote Amnesty International Tariq? Let's see what they have to say about Muslim countries. Yes pick a Muslim country and then we'll copy/paste some thing Amnesty I. has to say about them. Shall we ?

Panama's Manuel Noriega was a thug and a drug dealer. He threatened the Panama Canal. You take sides with him !!!!
You know you can judge a man by the company he keeps. Look at all the slime balls you align yourself with ?!!
Your hatred has so blinded you. Shame shame shame.
Leyshon
Cleveland, United States
Dec 27, 2004 12:00 AM
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It's nearly unbelievable the spectacle of a Muslim lecturing Americans on human rights.
Slavery? They've enslaved every woman under their power ! Beating them with stick for showing ankle shin in public ! Absolutely ridicules !
They can't even work or get an education.....unbelievable.
What the Muslims need to learn is something called "The Golden Rule".
Look it up Tariq and Seena.
Leyshon
Cleveland, United States
Dec 28, 2004 12:00 AM
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"So if Christian women want to parade nude, I am all Eyes Leyshon. May be you can mail me some of the pics, too ;-)"

Oh and insult, interesting.

But the word is that Muslim men are not aroused by naked women. Beheading videos sell more than pornography in the Middle East. Beheadings and torture arouse Muslim men more than women.
The only thing Muslim men find more erotic than beheadings are photos of naked boys.

Leyshon
Cleveland, United States
Dec 29, 2004 12:00 AM
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With this disaster in the Indian Ocean....the actions of Osama Bin Laden and the rest of the terrorist seem so especially vulgar....so banal !
The world doesn't have time to waste on these terrorist fools !
They are disgusting, their supporters are disgusting....may they all die now and get out of the way of the rest of humanity !
Leyshon
Cleveland, United States
May 26, 2005 12:00 AM
31
At last someone speaks the truth
asad
jodhpor, India
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