Saibal Das
cover story
Teething Teens
Bees and birds are a far buzz away. Lack of sex education in urban kids leads to alarming results.
Tell it to them like it is, rest the confusion.
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62% of Delhi boys (38% of all boys polled across the country; 21% of all girls) think a girl can't become pregnant if she has sex only once or twice. 77% of Delhi boys (55% of all boys; 26% of all girls) believe babies are born through a mother's navel or stomach.

97% Delhi girls (77% of all teens) believe gir ls don't get pregnant if a boy doesn't ejaculate inside her (withdrawal is unreliable). 29% of all surveyed think only gays and sex workers can get HIV.

77% of Delhi boys (54% of all boys; 23% of all girls) believe masturbation makes you weak. 59% of teenagers think menstruation is the body's way to expel unclean blood.

85% of Delhi boys (56% of all boys; 15% of all girls) hold the size of the penis as a measure of masculinity. Only 27% of Calcutta boys and 12% of Chennai girls think this attribute matters.

70% of Delhi boys (38% of all boys; 12% of all girls) say boys get a stomach ache after ejaculation. Just 15% of Chennai boys and 3% of Chennai girls believe this happens.

79% of Chennai girls (and 21% of all teenagers surveyed) think that condoms are not enough to prevent the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.

Meenakshi Nayar, Sex Educator, New Delhi
"When we approach them with our workshop, the common excuse in schools is parents will object. But 90% of parents say yes to it."

R. Kishore Kumar, Senior principal, St. John's International Residential School, Chennai
"A residential school has bigger responsibilities than a day-school. Sex education should be dealt with from class 9."

Manisha Malhotra, Trainer, Shri Ram School, New Delhi
"They are like the moral police—teachers are so inhibited that they are embarrassed to teach even routine biology lessons."

Venu Arora, Filmmaker, New Delhi
"Puberty has come forward, marriage has been pushed back. It would be naive to expect youngsters to postpone sexual experiences."


  • 53 per cent of 8th standard students from urban English medium schools in Bangalore believe that a baby is born naturally through a mother's navel or stomach, said a study in the March 2003 issue of the Indian Journal of Paediatrics.

  • Slightly older adolescents in Delhi from similar schools have regular consensual sex, often with multiple partners, according to studies conducted by Expressions, the school-based value education tracker.

  • Last month, two 8th standard boys in Mumbai tried to molest a 1st standard girl in their school. Counsellors say such ham-handed efforts to explore sexuality are on the up everywhere.

  • Two to three cases of teenage pregnancies a month amongst elite school girls is common. "Now, of these families are really wealthy and discreetly fly abroad if the pregnancy is advanced, giving the children to adoption agencies on return," reveals Jitender Nagpal of VIMHANS.

  • Manjula Lal, author of a rare book on sex education for adolescents called the I-file, writes: "A study in a hospital in one of our small towns found that out of 100 girls who came seeking abortion, 80 did not know that sexual intercourse could lead to pregnancy. Ninety did not know about contraception."
All this might have been funny if it was not true. But it is true, of boys and girls who go to English-medium schools in our big cities. They have sex but not enough reliable information on it.

There are probably more sexually active adolescents around us than we could ever imagine.The exclusive Outlook -Synovate survey of 13- to 17-year-old schoolchildren in Chennai, Delhi, Calcutta and Bombay throws up alarming concerns about the state of sexual health education in the country, the extent of sexual activity, and most worrying, the level of ignorance of the nature, safety and consequences of such activity.Given that the study focused on the most privileged children in these cities, its findings would clearly call for a thorough overhaul of the way we teach our children about the facts of life. But why are schools reluctant? "Most schools, parents and teachers are scared to acknowledge that our kids are sexual beings," says Brother Christopher, principal, St Columbas' School, Delhi".Also there are so many other problems that schools must intervene with things such as dysfunctional homes and anger management that it gets pushed down the list of priorities," says Abha Sood Adams, director, Shri Ram School, which is one of the few Delhi schools that have a clear policy on sexual health education. While most schools are steeped in the notion that exposure to such information encourages sexual activity, adolescents laugh it off. "What sex education? Our teachers are from the last century, we can teach them a thing or two," sniggers Rishabh, a ninth standard student from Delhi.

But schools still in doubt should read the chapter on Sex Education in the Indian Encyclopedia of Education (NCERT, 2004). Authors of this chapter Jitender Nagpal and Divya Prasad explain: "Research has shown that learning about sex means that children are less vulnerable and are able to make more informed, responsible decisions about their relationships and sexual behaviour."

Yet most schools hide behind parents when they want to avoid the subject of sexual health. Says Ratnesh Mathur of Genie Kids, Bangalore: "The problem is that while schools believe that the onus lies on parents, parents think schools should do something." The child is caught in the middle. Says Meenakshi Nayar, a Delhi-based special educator in the field of sexuality, "When we approach schools with our workshop, the most common excuse is that parents might object, however when I have directly written to parents, 90 per cent have said yes to it."

For Manjit Batra, principal, City Montessori School, a co-educational institute in Lucknow, sex education is a bad idea."I feel there is no need, the children have so much of exposure. Besides parents are enough to handle the queries they have." Batra believes that children are more comfortable in their homes than schools. But listen to Priyal Gupta, student of class 11 from La Martiniere, Lucknow: "Most of the times we discuss things with friends, learnt some facts in biology and I have understood a large extent of the emotional aspects from Mills and Boon books." Arundhati Chowdhury, the Calcutta-based mother of a teenager, admits: "I am extremely uncomfortable about discussing these issues with my son, even though I know I should be doing it. I would much rather my child learns from an informed source in school rather than porn sites."

She is lucky that she is not amongst the parents who are finding condoms and emergency contraceptives like "morning-after" pills in their adolescents' school bags. Says Etishree Bhatti, counsellor at DPS (R.K. Puram), Delhi: "Boys and girls in some of our schools are seriously pushing the frontiers of sexual discovery." Meanwhile, Nayar is told explicitly by schools that she can offer the students information, provided she tells them that it is to be used after marriage. The issue, therefore, is not one of nuts and bolts but responsibility and safety.

The HIV/AIDS scare
Teenage pregnancies and HIV infections in progressively younger age groups are setting off alarm bells amongst the medical community. Gynaecologists Sangeeta Saksena and Shoiba Saldanha from Bangalore are amongst them.Says Dr Saksena: "We were alarmed at the number of teenagers coming to us for abortions, also of young professionals turning up HIV positive.

In this context, NACO (National aids Control Organisation) and the Delhi SCERT (Delhi State Council of Education Research and Training) have started drives at the government school level to spread awareness.Says Janaki Rajan, director, Delhi Council of Secondary Education: "We are training government school teachers in understanding some of these issues and communicating them to the boys and girls in a general manner (as part of life skills), we also want to use the resources and skills of the National School of Drama."

While the CBSE had put out a circular to address sexuality issues through workshops and seminars (much like environmental studies) some years ago in the big cities, it followed this up with a joint programme along with UNFPA (United Nations Fund for Population Activities) in the Bimaru (Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and UP) states, which ended last year. However, the NCERT, which is said to have a curriculum on sexual health education, is treating it like a state secret and none of the schools is aware of its existence.

Most schools in cities like Lucknow, Hyderabad and Thiruvananthapuram ignore 'sex education' as a matter of principle. Says V.K. Dubey, principal of Government Inter College, Nishatganj, Lucknow: "As the government has no such policy, we do not have any sex education. Biology students learn about reproduction, though. Nothing can be done till the government decides." A school in Delhi has threatened a sixth standard kid with a transfer certificate for seeking information on condoms.

Bharatiya Vidya Bhawan Public School in Hyderabad conducts annual workshops where they invite gynaecologists and counsellors to come and talk to both students and their parents. However, some other schools in the city are still prudish about such issues. "No, we have nothing of this sort in our school," says Mamtha, counsellor at Hyderabad's Cal Public School. In schools like the Holy Angels English medium school in Thiruvananthapuram, the responsibility of sex education rests with the principal. She hectors students from the fifth standard onwards on select days to a hall to administer them the do's and don'ts. But she ensures that all doors and windows are shut to make the children feel at ease.

K. Gopalan, who recently retired as the Director of Public Instruction in Kerala, says the department had not been able to prepare a scheme. But there is the belief "we can ill-afford to ignore such a vital topic". "Despite the state's social advances there is a strong conservative segment that thinks sex education is taboo," says A.K. Jayashree of the Foundation for Integrated Research in Mental Health at Thiruvananthapuram. The result is here to see. The Kochi-based World Family Foundation executive director had a serious question from her daughter's classmate in high school. She happened to touch a boy in a crowded school bus, could it make her pregnant? Another principal at a co-ed Catholic school had to console a boy who was horrified to hear from his classmate that masturbation was not a sin.

The Legal Tangle
If the morality lens of the policy makers is a roadblock, the ambiguity of the law messes things up further. Actually, access to information on sexual health falls within the right to information and right to health (both fundamental rights), given the risk factors. International guidelines on HIV/AIDS and human rights recommend that states "ensure that children and adolescents have adequate access to confidential sexual and reproductive health services including HIV/AIDS information, counselling, testing and preventive measures such as condoms".

However, not only does the Indian Penal Code not recognise the right of the minor in this sphere, it makes it impossible for educators to carry out this mandate, with obscenity clauses under Sections 292, 293 and 394 (which prescribe punishment for the sale, hire, distribution and exhibition of books, pamphlets, or any other material) of the IPC. "This means that anyone trying to talk about or display a condom to an under-18 could be jailed," says Leena Mengharney of Lawyers Collective.Educators may be liable for discussing oral sex or anal sex while talking about different options in the post-HIV world, as Section 377 criminalises "carnal intercourse against the order of nature." Organisations like Sahyog (Uttaranchal) and Bharosa (Lucknow) have been hauled up under these sections in the past.

A handful of schools like Shri Ram (Delhi), Sri Kumaran's Children's Home (Bangalore), and The School run by the Krishnamurthy Foundation (Chennai) have regular workshops and sessions throughout the year starting from class six or seven, using cutting-edge aids. They have regular sessions spread across the entire school year. Practising doctors, trained educators or both run these sessions, for which all students are encouraged to put in questions on a slip of paper and to deposit it in a box before hand. No teachers or parents attend these sessions, girls and boys have separate sessions. Some schools also have an on-campus counsellor, a trained psychologist who is available to students full-time. Apart from this, they may have a special session—such as the one in Kumaran's, called Circle Time, where students sit around in a circle with their class teacher and the school counsellor to discuss issues ranging from bad language, low self-esteem to inter-personal relationships.

Shri Ram has a decade's experience in this sphere which "has paid off richly", while Deepa Shridhar, principal of Kumaran's, which began these formal sex education classes three years ago, agrees that there has been a huge impact. "We have minimised disruptive situations, such as an epidemic of bad language, inter-personal conflicts and have a better coping mechanism," she says.

Some schools prefer outside agencies as children are not comfortable sharing intimate queries with their teachers. Aditi (name changed), 12th standard student, points out that she was unable to ask those key questions to her value education teacher, "As she was also my class teacher and I was scared she would be annoyed with me and give me poor grades." Training of teachers remains a big issue as amateurs can inflict serious damage. For instance, a counsellor from one of Delhi's leading schools said quite artlessly: "When boys ask me if masturbation is unhealthy, I have to tell them too much of it will make them weak and they will fail to perform by the time they are married."

Teaching Teachers
Dr Jayashree, who has been engaged in training of sex educators in Kerala, says she faces a nightmare training teachers. "They are like the moral police and resist all attempts to openly discuss sex issues. Teachers are so inhibited that they are embarrassed to teach even routine biology lessons." Manisha Malhotra of Shri Ram, also a trainer, has a similar experience. But access for small-town teachers and those in government schools to such training is even more rare. The result sometimes is scary. "High school boys from small towns and the suburbs end up visiting commercial sex workers to whet their curiosities and urge," says Nagpal. That the government policy on aids and condom campaigns are notoriously protectionist does not help.

Residential schools find this mixed-up approach of policy makers hitting them harder but curiously remain status quoist on the whole. Pete Wildman from Woodstock School, a co-ed residential school in Mussoorie, says: "Sex education as a distinct topic does not form part of our curriculum; rather we seek to raise awareness within academic disciplines and through social interaction. We are also conscious of balancing our responsibilities with the reluctance of some parents to see this area addressed within the school context. However, health issues of all kinds, including sexual health, are dealt with through the Health Education component of our programme, taught by qualified health professionals."

Institutions such as the Krishnamurthy Foundation attach great importance to conversation classes between teachers and students, where problems of students are taken up in a non-judgemental manner.Topics ranging from menstruation, the sexual act, contraception, consequences of a sexual involvement, how to prevent sexual abuse are discussed as is the role of the media, attraction, gender stereotypes, masturbation, sex and marriage. Though this sounds encouraging, it's hard to deny that on balance India's best schools don't seem to be doing enough. Isn't it time they grew up?


By Sanghamitra Chakraborty, Vatsala Kamat in Chennai, Archana Rai in Bangalore, Saumya Roy in Mumbai, Savitri Chowdhury in Hyderabad, Sutapa Mukherjee in Lucknow, John Mary in Thiruvananthapuram

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Oct 12, 2004 12:00 AM
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I want to appreciate Sanghamitra and teem for this report. No publication come up with this issue so far seriously. I expect more informations regarding this on your magazine

I am engaged in such project in Faridabad (Adolescent Health Education). In my opinion , school authorities should take initiatives to promote AHE. Because most parents don’t know how to deal with this issue. If our schools and authorities come forward to take this responsibility(burden), definitely our adolescent can be saved from HIV and other disorder.









































































vinod varghese
Faridabad, India
Oct 09, 2004 12:00 AM
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kudos for the story, but instead of this cover story you could have been better off giving that valuable sex education that you found is missing. Is it not better to give solutions than find problems??
kumar
LosAngeles, USA
Oct 07, 2004 12:00 AM
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I think we have all lost objectivity. "All roads lead to Rome" don't they. Lalit, I like your logic and your passion for your chosen crusade ( I do not necessarily always agree with it), but people, nobody here is talking about the kid who thinks children come from a woman's navel! As for the likes of Rajyavardhan from Delhi, I hope he aquires a wife(if he is not married already), who's been educated in, say, LSR Delhi or Lady Brabourne Calcutta. That ought to straighten him out.
Abhishek Choudhury
Pennsylvania, USA
Oct 07, 2004 12:00 AM
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Whenever there is a debate on population some RSS members chip in to do muslim bashing.Even they have converted this teenage blues into a hindu-muslim debate(or rather RSS-AIMPLB debate)
Great, fight out this never ending battle , and suck your thumb later when you see the rest of the world excel in every sphere of life.
jay shree Ram Allah ho akbar
arun r
Bangalore, india
Oct 07, 2004 12:00 AM
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We are reliably informed by Outlook that 85% of Delhi's boys, 27% of Calcutta's boys and 12% of Chennai's girls believe that the size of the penis is a measure of masculinity.

Picture this. Thirteen- to sevneteen-year old girls handed this questionnaire that wants to know:

Q6. Hello Chennai girl, is it true that a dude is only as man as the length and girth of his pee-wee?

A) Yeah, that's right. Sort of. Almost. Willie-nilly.
B) No, that's wrong, no matter how well endowed a dude is always a sissy
C) Haven't the faintest clue; will ask my mom and let you know.


If those sex-surveyors could be as forthright as that in the cause of "sex education" for adolescents, I wonder what inhibited them from asking a few questions on BDSM as well?
Raghu Reddy
Bangalore, India
Oct 07, 2004 12:00 AM
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The genius of Mr.Nits' logic shines through again -
He says: "AIMPB is one of those typical organiztions that were supported by congress..."the psedoseculars"(such a maligned word..isn't it)..for votebank sakes...".
Hmm.. So according to you AIMPLB does NOT have credibility with Muslims BUT they CAN influence the Muslim votebank positively ???
Mr.Nits, you are surely smoking something stronger than weed. Crack, maybe?
Are you sure your name is not Mr.Nuts?
Adi
XXXXX, USA
Oct 06, 2004 12:00 AM
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Nits
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My point is that because of their religion and attitudes muslims have not wanted to, neither have they been integrated with others in India or any where in the west. For example why is that muslims in Kashmir, Chechnya, Sinkiang and many other places are determined to seek independence. Why was Pakistan formed. Is it not because muslims did not want to live with or under Hindus.

If muslims now live in India,it is because they have no viable alternative. Its tragic comic that haveing fought and dreamt of Pakistan, they do not wish to live there. Amazeing that despite their strong faith they prefer liveing in Hindu India to life in muslim Pakistan.

Denmark for example spends enormous amounts to integrate muslims. We have a ministry of integration. However despite this some muslims send their children back home(Pakistan , Turkey, Somalia) to be reeducated in muslim culture and to wash out the corrupt influence of western society.How do you thinks Danes think of this in that they provide homes, free education and generous welfare for people who deep inside despise them.

So thats my position. India and many other countries face a permanent problem with a minority, which wants to live by itself, and
preferably under special laws, and with their own separate culture.This would also be acceptable in a way if muslims did not use their en bloc voting to destabilise the country, and their much larger population growth to change the demography in certain areas of the country.

lalit bagai
kalundborg, danmark
Oct 06, 2004 12:00 AM
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lalit, '
i agree with each of your points...besides..kindly do not include christians, pasis, and oders wid muslims using the term minority.
but you are completely missing the point! kindly read what i said earlier. har baat, har problem ke leeye same issue ko raise karna ..that is jingoism. besides..i am yet to hear a humane and practical solution from you guys.
i think, as i have repeated several times. just keep their population in check, a 2 child norm per male...saying that, i know all the hurdles and difficulty in implementing this. but given the facts, to me this sounds most practical and articulate. besides sanghis will have one less tool to spread their vitriol.
also, i am sure that there is a lot of paranoia and misinformation we all are taget of. keep that in mind as well. they can surely be integrated in the society.
nits
nashville, USA
Oct 06, 2004 12:00 AM
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NITS
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I would be delighted if the muslims assimilated with the main stream. Most European countries
have the same goal also, but as I pointed out
not one European country has managed it yet.

The AIMPB has already rejected family planning.
So your solution via the 2 child norm may be laudable but has already been rejected by the muslims.

I do not include Parsis, christians amongst
the troublesome minorities.

Incidentally we use a lot of time discussing the muslim problem. So can any one claim that they are not a problem, and we are just paranoid.??

When we talk of Parsis one is filled with respect.Their contribution to India is immense,
in every field. We could certainly do with more of them.

lalit bagai
kalundborg, danmark
Oct 06, 2004 12:00 AM
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Lalit,

This article is from the Deccan Herald ... Sorry I could access this story from some other website and hence could not get the original link ...

Its an interesting story of where Indian secularism (not the Congress or pseudo variety) & Hindutva meet ... its about Indian Muslims ... the kind we'd like to see more of ... not the freaks in bed with our Congress / pseudo weirdo's ... Needless to say .. if this is how Indian Muslism would be .. there wouldnt be any need for the debates about "Secularism", "Communalism" or "Hindutva" ... perhaps it would be "development" , "jobs" and "education" ...

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Ra m Leela after Roza & the syncretic Hinduism

Religious heads and elders were outraged at what they termed a sacrilege. But none could answer what made Hindus and Muslims different.

LUCKNOW, DHNS:

For the past few weeks each evening Kamal Khan, Zaheer Khan, Naseem, Sher Khan and Mohammed Shabir Khan have been putting themselves through rigorous rehearsals for roles they will soon be enacting on a makeshift stage before a huge audience at Bakshi Ka Talab, a rural fringe of Lucknow.

What makes this play acting heart warmingly different is that the group will be enacting the Ram Leela portraying the pantheon of Hindu gods and mythological characters that people the Ramayana.

This year for the first time the holy month of Ramzan coincides with the dates preceding Dushhera on which the Ram Leela is performed. But as 35-year-old Shabir Khan, director of the Ram Leela and avid reader of Hindu religious texts avers, “We are determined to make this the best Ram Leela ever. No one has backed out because of the rozas. In fact to make sure that we have a grand success this year, last month we sought blessings at the shrine of Vaishno Devi.”

Performed as part of the Bakshi ka Talab Dushhera mela, this unique initiative was born some two decades ago of the efforts of the then gram pradhan Maiku Lal Yadav and popular local physician Dr Muzaffar Hussain.

Mansoor Khan, chairman of the Ram Leela Organisation Committee, remembers the initial roadblocks. “Religious heads and elders termed it sacrilege. But no one seemed to have an exact answer to what made Hindus and Muslims different.”

The four-day event that attracts audiences from nearby towns and villages, was awarded the National Integration Award in 2002 by then Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee. A radio documentary by the local Akashwani “Us Gaon Ki Ram Leela” remains a popular draw even today.

Half the actors, who incidentally work for free and are aged between 12 and 40, are Hindus. Till last year the roles of Ram and Lakshman were played by Hindus, but this year Muslim players will take on these.

“We watch the Ramayana on television, videograph our performance to identify shortcomings and read and re-read the Ramayana to understand the subtleties of the text. Each year the aim is to introduce some element of novelty into our performance. This year we have also experimented with our costumes and headgear,” Khan says with obvious pride.

Gram pradhan Videsh Pal Yadav looks upon the Ram Leela as a carrying forth of the best of Indian traditions. “These four days string the whole village together. It’s a feeling that’s impossible to describe,” he concludes with a satisfied a smile.

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Dharmayudh Singh
Philadelphia, USA
Oct 06, 2004 12:00 AM
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dharamydhji,
As you said i think rajyavansh is actually a leftist out to malign right wing hindus(his views are too archiac even for the right wing).Maybe he is Mani shankar Iyer in disguise!
sudharshan
madras, india
Oct 06, 2004 12:00 AM
40
"The AIMPB has already rejected family planning.
So your solution via the 2 child norm may be laudable but has already been rejected by the muslims.".....no. it has not been rejected". AIMPB does not represent muslims, just as VHP does not represent hindus...just a few loonies. AIMPB is one of those typical organiztions that were supported by congress..."the psedoseculars"(such a maligned word..isn't it)..for votebank sakes...(i mean C'mon man...you keep callingcongress pseudo-seculars without exactly knowing the reasons)...
for all your accusations of appeasement, muslims are one of the poorest communities....which plays a role in rise of population...as well as blind faith.
as i see, there is a chance, no doubt about it.
nits
nashville, USA
Oct 06, 2004 12:00 AM
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Nits
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UNDP has reported that most muslim countries
from Algeria to Pakistan have much higher rate
of population growth. Some of these countries are quite well off.

Population of muslims is much higher then that of others in India. Now nearly 60 years have passed after independence. The change in attitudes of the muslims, even the educated is minimal. Facts speak against you.
lalit bagai
kalundborg, danmark
Oct 06, 2004 12:00 AM
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Dear Lalit,

My son, who was a day-scholar in this public school, tells me this story: there was this boy, his father was working in the Middle East, and he was staying in the hostel. He was a laggard in studies and so was he in almost all other activities, including sports. The only thing he was good at was music, for which he had a natural talent.

He used to insist being included in school’s cricket team. Though he was not much good, his father, due to his NRI status, insisted to the princi and he did find a place in the team. But, he kept on complaining all the time, for he was not too keen on working hard to improve his bowling, fielding or batting. Finally, due to his constant whining and complaining, other members suggested he form another team and he did do that. They all thought he would be happy now. But, no sir. After some time, he wanted to come back to the old team. Like they say, he wanted to be the member of the club that wouldn’t have him as a member. Till the graduation, he remained complaining and was not happy either in his new team or the old one.

Muslims are like that. They are not happy where they live and are not willing to go back to the country they came from as they would not be happy there either.

While I appreciate your concern and your radical out-of-box thinking (very popular these days with Man Mohan Singh govt), but the solution of allowing those people to secede and go away with Kashmir or North East with their own independent territory is neither feasible, practical nor sensible. And most of all, the situation will be the same as in 1947- Pakistan was made as a separate land for Muslims but while Hindus were pushed out, Muslims in India continued to stay. In today’s context, you know who would object most to this exchange of population- Muslims. For two reasons- one, no, they wouldn’t be satisfied with a small part but the whole Indian cake only; and two, they want to live here, complain and do nothing about lifting themselves up except blaming others for the state of mess they are in.

Like I have suggested you in the past, it is not the geographical segregation that is the problem or the solution but the remnants of long-gone Islamic dominance over others by the help of sword- and this applies to Muslims in Sweden as it does to them in India or in any other country.
Ekaamaadmi
Mumbai, India
Oct 05, 2004 12:00 AM
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Mr. Rajyavardhan
You have some strange ideas. You lack not only knowldge of West but even of India.You are peranoid that this is a consipracy of West, China,Pakistan and everyone around.The topic was
sex education but you have shown no repect for women yourself. I have no diea what you read as we hve never heard of teasing of any Indian women or even western in West. I dont know how you got Islam involved into sex education. For your information Kamasutra was written by an Indian sage. Rama or Krishna are not invilved.
Shadi Katyal
Marietta. Ga.., USA
Oct 05, 2004 12:00 AM
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Shadi,

Rajyavardhan is an "Agent Provocateur". His comments dont mean Jack $hit.
Dharmayudh Singh
Philadelphia, USA
Oct 05, 2004 12:00 AM
35
rajya vardhan,
Sex education need not necessarily lead to a open sex culture.
As for your reference to ramayana and mahabharatha,Pls remeber that Kunthi Mata had a illict child called Karna.
What is wrong with wearing jeans?again you are thinking in lines of temptation and sex while you condemn it all along.

In the south we have some of the best brains like Gurumurthy associated with the RSS.They render constructive service to the soceity at large.

What does RSS get by spreading hatred and turning back the clock to 5000 years?
Again it was our belief that the world will come to an end in Kali Yuga that led to our meek surrender to our forign invaders.
sudharshan
madras, india
Oct 05, 2004 12:00 AM
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Dear Sudarshan,

Since the time I joined this forum, I have come across 3 types of participants and I would like to share my views with you about them.

First and foremost is a bunch of educated, professionally qualified, financially stable and respectable NRIs, regularly commenting on various issues, especially Muslims/Islam. Their views are sometime condescending, naïve and impractical, offending to some, but mostly from their hearts, clear in thinking, global in perspective, their presentation flawless and their logic even better. I love to read these and enjoy their detached (at least, physically) and world-experienced view, the most.

The second is from a couple of Muslims, from within India and outside, who are generally defending what the critics of their religions have to say; they are generally defensive, apportioning blame on others and sometime, downright ludicrous. They call me moron and such things but fail to respond to logic and facts presented by me with the same. With some, one can discuss, but with others, using discretion to avoid them is preferable.

The third and the most amazing, at least to me, is the bunch of people- generally educated, secular, liberal and well-placed in the society, who either do not wish to accept that the problem of Islamic jehad exists, or do not wish to face this unpleasant fact or downright disown and defend it- probably to show their own liberal, secular and anti-sangh Parivar credentials. Whereas, I can understand the compulsion of some - they are busy with other more pressing problems of life such as roti. Kapda aur makan, it is the third category that defies every logic that comes to my mind. Why is it so difficult for all of us to accept:
· That Islamic extremism does exist and the latest manifestation of this is Beslan massacre, without explaining, justifying or comparing it with some other Hindu / Christian atrocity in the past.
· That the injustice to women in Muslim society, lack of emphasis on education, healthcare, family planning and equal rights to property do not have to defended with inequality in Hindu religion all the times. This is a national problem that affects all of us, and Muslims in particular.
· That Islam as a religion is causing so many problems throughout the world and accepting this and pointing about this does not make one ‘Hindu Fundamentalist Khaki Knickerwallah/ Sang Parivar loyalist’.
· That all that these Sanghis speak is not nonsense and by just calling them ‘Right Wing Hindu Fundamentalists does not solve the problem of Kashmir, PWG, North-East, Bangla Deshis and so on.

It is for this reason, I like to present my views to educated people like you that maybe one day, the secular people like you would realize, understand and appreciate the immensity of problems being faced by us/India, instead of sweeping them under the carpet, which is most convenient for all of us.

And that includes you too, Sudarshan.
Ekaamaadmi
Mumbai, India
Oct 05, 2004 12:00 AM
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" Ek aadmi writes, with nary a hint of irony:

>>a bunch of educated, professionally
>>qualified, financially stable and
>>respectable NRIs, regularly commenting
>>on various issues, especially Muslims/Islam

Does he include himself, Lalit Bagai and other semi-literate bigots in this "bunch"?

The mind boggles.
Monica Banik
New Delhi, India
Oct 05, 2004 12:00 AM
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Dear Monika,

From your letter, I am tempted to draw the following assumptions:

1. That you are from JNU, a practicing commie, a man-hater, greatly insufferable, adarshwadi, intellectually oriented, frustrated, self-righteous, eccentric, a rebel without a cause, boring and avoidable, in your 30’s but still unmarried, interested in research and lectureship, over-bearing and garrulous.

2. That you love Roshogollas and Sondesh, Rabindra Sangeet, Ray, Mrinal Sen and are proud of Mother Teresa’s contribution to your beautiful Kolkota - the most beautiful place in the world.

3. That you hate BJP/Sangh Parivar because you think you are secular, liberal and open-minded.

4. That you can do anything for that Rohu fish/Machh-Jhol.


Don’t worry- this general description suits most of Bengalis living in Delhi, or for that matter, living anywhere in the world, away from West Bengal.

And yes, what was your question, dear?
Ekaamaadmi
Mumbai, India
Oct 05, 2004 12:00 AM
31
Ekaaamaadmi,

The "assumptions" you "draw" say a whole lot about you, dear semi-literate bird-brained pseudo-patriot. I hope you have stopped beating your wife.
Monica Banik
New Delhi, India
Oct 05, 2004 12:00 AM
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now that the topic here has drifted towards Islam, as all the other discussions nowdays unwittingly end up, even if you are arguin about pollution in delhi(yes it has hapened once)...i think that the most negative impact(After independence) of muslims staying back in india is...the joingoism which has become a big hinderance to any and much needed reforms in the hindu society. for every problem in nation, in society, for all our evils, they are responsible!...now i am not saying that "they" are tatally innocent. but this attitude is causing a big problem in our society. assam main blast kisne karaya....unhone, gareebee kyon hai..unkee wajah se....from eve-teasing to rapes, to dowry deaths, feudalistic culture, corruption, inherent rudeness towards each other...a thousand problems exist in india. but the cure all....hate pakistan.
fear? anyone seen michael moore here?
nits
nashville, USA
Oct 05, 2004 12:00 AM
29

Monika (o my darling!)

What a song by RD Burman!

Truth hurts. Absolute truth hurts absolutely.

I am truly Sorry for hurting your feelings.

Jokes aside, for somebody like you who is so educated, how about some irrefutable facts to knock out my pseudo-patriotic bigotory? Just once!

(BTW, how did you know that I still beat my wife?)
Ekaamaadmi
Mumbai, India
Oct 05, 2004 12:00 AM
28
Monica,

I dont like rabid dogs ... does that make me an animal hater ?

I dont like Nazis ... does that make me a bigot ? In the 1930's there were [people who raising questions about Hitler & the Nazis ... even in the US .. but they were branded as war mongers etc. .. eventually millions of deaths later ... the world had to destroy this ideology ... and the Germans once again started behaving like human beings ... Islams record has always been bad ... Beslan, Kashmir, Darfur, 9/11 are just the start ... it will start getting worse ... Osama is not the problem .. he's just a symptom ... even when he is gone .. ther ewill be many more .. the root is Islam/Mohammed ... just as teh root for german behaviour in 1930's was Nazism / Hitler ...

BTW .. anyone read the latest Time magazine with Darfur as teh cover story ... Theres an incident that they talk about that the Janjaweed did ... they came across a Black family with a 1 year old son ... the 1 year old male child could be a potential enemy down the line ... so one of the Janjaweed guys threw the child in the air while another Janjaweed member did some target practice & sprayed the one year old child with bullets ...

Also .. Ekaamadmi ..there is another type of commentator over here ... category 4 - The secularist/Islamist pretnding to be a Hindutva guy ... like Rajyavardhan ...




Dharmayudh Singh
Philadelphia, USA
Oct 05, 2004 12:00 AM
27
Nits ,

Lets not go overboard & start imagining things ... Muslims minorities are an albatross around the necks of any unfortunate country that they exist in ... from Phillipines to USA ... but I dont think any "Hindutva" guy is blaming the Assam blasts on Muslims ... they were done by a different set of people .. and they have to be dealt with ...
Dharmayudh Singh
Philadelphia, USA
Oct 05, 2004 12:00 AM
26
Ekaamaadmi shows us flashes of what he doubtless considers his wit by invoking a song by RD Burman and them lamentfully asks, "BTW, how did you know that I still beat my wife?"

Bud, your lack of irony has me in splits. My sympathies. For your friends and family.
Monica Banik
New Delhi, India
Oct 05, 2004 12:00 AM
25
Sudarshan,

A very good example of your naivete is the fact that you think that Rajyavardhan belongs to teh RSS or is your typical Hindutva guy posting messages here ...

Sudarshan, there are lots of Hindus like you ... nice but naive ... which is alright when you are dealing with normal people ... ist not when you are dealing with groups like Nazis or Muslims ... one has to be vigilant ... else one has to face one's ...I like to call it "The Karma of Stupidity" ... for eg. In 1947, Hindus were ethnically cleansed out of Pakistan ... did the Kashmiri Pandits think that they would be safe in Srinagar ... a couple of 100 years ago ...the Mughals were forcing the Kashmiri Pandits to convert because the Mushals thought that by converting this influientel & respected community to Islam ... the other castes would also converted ... The Sikh Guru Teghbahadur rose to the occassion & fought the Mughals ... Now despite this history ... Kashmiri Pandits are intelligent, nice & naive ... but they were caught in their "Karma of Stupidity" .. hence had to flee Srinagar ...

Lots of Indians will be caught in their individual "Karma's of Stupidity" .. for example Biswapriya P. in Shillong is an "intelligent, nice, naive" guy ... he shed tears for Palestinians, Iraqis, Russians, Chechens etc. and does not like the "Hindutwits" ... but little does he realise that he is a canary in the mineshaft ... If I were him , I'd pay attention to what the Congress, Communists are upto in the NE .. and what teh Islamists are upto in Bangladesh ... if he were to extrapolate trends ... draw inferences to events in 1947, 1971, Darfur, Srinagar etc he shoudl realise that he is living on borrowed time ... start thuiking else get caught in your "Karma of Stupidity".
Dharmayudh Singh
Philadelphia, USA
Oct 05, 2004 12:00 AM
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dharmayudhs and lalits and adi's etc.,
hope you know the difference between vigilant and paranoia. the muslims are a problem, allright. my points are
1)how do you deal with this problem? genocide them? or rioting?...i do not agree, on humane reasons, for there is no fault of a 12 year ol girl who was born in islam, and gangraped by rioters(largely adivasis), incited into riots by "savior of hinduism, modiji"...who now know the game of urbane, utterly selfish, upper class hindu politicians(result of last gujrat election....etc. etc)
besides the "gandhi bulls***"..practically speaking, you very well know that you cannot kick the 13 crore muslims in india, and if they are gonna stay, then creating animosity is equivalent to destroying the nation. instead, in a subtle way....keep their population at same %(13..not too much) and integrate them in national stream.
2) what about all the sins and evils in the hindu society?? i think, that by totally focussing on pakistan all the time, we are digging our graves. there are enough moral corruptness in hindus, irrespective of muslims, that need to be rooted out before we call ourselves civilized and work towards intellectual and economic advancement of europe
3) some are facts, some are whisper campaigns. i think(though not sure) that to avoid hindu bloodshed among themselves over thousands of years of exploitation by upper caste(i am one myself)of lower castes...a problem that diverts attention has deliberately been constructed. i again repeat that i recognize the threat of pakistan...but...creating a paranoia....you know.
lets think clear, sane, and let us doubt ourselves, else, we become....those whom we criticize.
comments welcome.
nits
nashville, USA
Oct 04, 2004 12:00 AM
23
rajyavardhan

Sex education was not rquired in the generation on our grand fathers, when people generally got married in their teens.

It was probably not required in the fifties or sixties as we had distinct educational institutions for girls and boys.
But in the current day scenario its surely required to protect fickle minded adolescents from STD's.

Please understand that urge for sex is very natural and teenagers will feel it and try to fulfill it irrespective of impartation of sex education.Therefore,sex edu is good as it will make them more cautious and sensible.

For heaven's sake let us stop blaming the west! the days of the Raj are over.

Sex and prostitution have always been part of indian culture.
Chandra gupta Maurya "nationalised" all brithels and the Artha sashtra written by Kautiltya(also known as Chanakya) enlightens us on manging brothels and also fixes the salary for the Madam- in-chief.

As far as i know the british were the first rulers to ban prostitution through the Indian Penal Code.(by the way why should prostitutes be punished?that's a debate by itself)

As for lot of prostitues in the west.Have you heard of places like sona kachi,Kamathi pura where women whom we treat with utmost respect are traded like cattle?

The institution of marriage has survived in India because of
1)the stigma attaced to divorce
2)Our obsession with Virginity of women(the chances of a women getting married for the second time is remote even today)
3)marriages being arranged,though you marry a stanger you marry a person in your wave length and this makes the relationship enduring and compatible.

I value our culture as much as you do but dont islamise hinduism by propogating rigid intrepretations of our values and culture and religion.

Hinduism and indian culture has survived 1000 year of alien rule only because of its ability to change and assimilate new thoughts,ideas & practices.

sudharshan
madras, india
Oct 04, 2004 12:00 AM
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lalit and sudarshan,
the only thing i admire in islam is their loyalty to their religion. then why should we not be loyal?
chandra gupta maurya was not religious figure.
i agree prostitution is their in india, as a result of foreign influence. but we must protect our culture. it is our duty. teenagers are immature, i hope you agree that they cannot think best for themselves...it is phase of life. so we should control them from foreign influence. andi am sure we will be once we are proud of our heritage. that us why we talked about baaning pokemon toys. why should our kids play with pokeman(american) toys...instead of reading amar chitra katha? first, BAN HOLLYWOOD. ban foreign media. they have already corrupted young minds.aurat kee aslee jagah ghar main hai, naukree main ya bus main nahee, we should understand this.
next thing, marriage and sex exist so that we create next generation. it is a divine phenomena, and should not be made fun of. marriage in hinduism is considered divine. and any attempt to change our values will meet stristst of resistance from us. and with god's blessins, we will win.
rajyavardhan
delhi, india
Oct 04, 2004 12:00 AM
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rajyavardhan,
Am really apalled at your attitude towards women is this what you mean by utmost respect.Women have proved themselves in every field to be equal to men and here is someone who says women should stay at home(there is nothing wrong instaying at home per se).

Why do you want women to stay at home?-am sure you will say that the well being of the family and the character of the children depends on the time spent by the mother with the kids etc..

but this is not the real reason-you guys see women as objects which you own and cannot tolerate them interacting with the soceity at large as your perverted mind associates even these healthy relationship with Carnal pleasures!

We were enslaved in the previous millinium to the islamic world and christian west only because of our attitude of basking in the glory of the past.

Please live in the present and let us learn to appreciate good things in life irrespective of the country from which they originate.I really dont know what pokeman toys are.but if some kid somewhere wants to play with it then you and me have no right to stop it.

I actually dont see much difference between your views and that of the taliban.Are you Aurangazeb transported to the 21st century through a time machine?
sudharshan
madras, india
Oct 04, 2004 12:00 AM
20
sudarshan,
i really do not blame you for your views, cause you are corrupted, and i feel it is my karma to bring you back to the fold.
we here refers to RSS. you can check the news in google or somewhere. pokeman toys are indeed threat to our culture.
i am not saying that we own woman. but woman is supposed to take care of the house. did sita mata wear jeans? or did kunti mata put make up and catch bus?? is there a single instance you can tell in our history where woman in india worked?...(dont just say laxmi bai...and be happy)...if you read our shastras, the role of woman is clearly defined as grihasthani. infact we respect woman because we don;t want them to earn for house. earning for house is man's job.
anyways...logically, god has created woman with a weak body structure, and i will really like to know, which field woman beat man?i am sure agassi will defeat steffi graff 6-0, 6-0, 6-0. i dont want to sound rude...but truth is truth. we reaminesd slaves to islamics, only beacuse we were not proud of our culture and not the other way around.
about kids...if your kids want to see porn, willl you still say, that you have no right to stop them.
we SHOULD revert back to the golden era of aryavrat, to survive.
we are very lucky to have born in india. this is the place of gods. this is the place where the gods first created humanity. shree ram walked on the same place in treta yug, some 10 lakhs years ago. our civilization is not some 5000 years old as some idiotic scientist say, it is millions of years old. infact lord krishna walked here 5000 years ago. the superior of west is only 100 years. we were at top for lakhs of years. please try to understand the greatness of the situation. bagai's reasoning is also good, but long before i knew one thing....that devil comes in alluring forms, it attractive....i am not saying that lalit is evil, but we need to defeat that ideology.
so let us join together and stop invasion of our culture.
vande matram.
rajyavardhan
delhi, india
Oct 04, 2004 12:00 AM
19
Just like any criticism of Islam brings out hordes of irrational defenders - any sort of talk regarding making social progress in Indian society brings out people like Rajyavardhan. It is similar in the US where any abortion right and gay right talk brings out hordes of evangelical Christians.


Just a proof of the fact that fundamentalism is not restricted to a particular religion (Lalit please note). Though I will concede that Christians in the US are not slamming planes into builidings of gays while Hindus in India are not beheading Muslims who eat beef.

Before talking about the fact that sex has been a taboo in Indian society - we should realize that ancient India was probably one the most sexually uninhibited societies. Examples? Kamasutra, dozens of caves depicting sexual orgies. Heck we even pray to Shiva's penis and we have a god for sexual prowess (Kama!). Probably the legacy of sexual suppression belongs to ages of Muslim and Victorian rule.
Vikas Chowdhry
Madison, USA
Oct 04, 2004 12:00 AM
18
vikas sir,
hum india main, iska matlab ye nahee kee hum main dimaag naheen hai.
i will counter your logic in one sentence.
all the open sex societies like....egypt, roman, greek and indian eventually decayed because of this factor.
europe is considered far more liberal than america, and also at the same time, they are much open about sex than americans. but still americans are the supreme since last 100 years and their dominance only looks increasing....and again...they are much more conservative than europe.
in a way i like this fact of americans. no european country has "aukaad" to take "takkar" with US.
so we see again that open sex does not speak of development.

rajyavardhan
delhi, india
Oct 04, 2004 12:00 AM
17
Agree with Vikas. He expresses things in a way ,
that I wish I could.

Regarding Abu, AbdulHaq , Rizvi I would like to get hold of a book about Islam made easy .

It would perhaps be a good idea to make a one hour video film about the birth of Islam and its status to present days.

lalit bagai
kalundborg, danmark
Oct 04, 2004 12:00 AM
16
A badly-written story though the isue you have chosen is important. Read like jottings by a boring babu who has been assigned to churn out a few thousand words for the government journal. Could have been made more interesting considering that Outlook promotes snappy writings.
Debabrata Mohanty
Bhubaneswar, INDIA
Oct 04, 2004 12:00 AM
15
None of these findings are a particular surprise, given the hold of traditional Indian values over our education system and also given the tendency of some self-appointed moral guardians to make a fuss about such issues. Considering that India has a serious population growth problem, it is actually immoral and irresponsible not to pay attention to modern sex education in schools. Kids are able to access images and stories of all kinds on the internet and on TV and it is vital that they have a balanced outlook on sex, sexual practices and STDs if their generation is to avoid some of the sexual neuroses that affect the older generations. There is no point in sticking your head in the sand and mumbling something pointless about "our traditional values"...this is usually just a sign that someone is ignorant and afrtaid of change. It is also unfortunate that so many of our country's legislators are semi-illiterate and unsophsisticated, as that prevents the applicable laws from being amended. Like it or not, this is the 21st century and whilst we should always be aware of our traditions, we should not be imprisioned by them. The fact is that traditional Indian culture has a deeply unhealthy attitude towards anything to do with sex. In fact, historically, societies were much more open - it is only with the advent of the various Muslim invaders that what we now consider to be traditional Hindu culture was formed, as a reaction. Sexual education should be blind towards religious values, which should be a private matter and which should not at all be allowed to interfere with a child's education.
Rustam Roy
London, UK
Oct 04, 2004 12:00 AM
14
Am in complete agreement with Rustom Roy and Vikas Chowdhry. Sex education is a must. Legalise pornography, including pornographic films, educate youngsters that masturbation is a healthy, safe vent for sexual tensions. I am certain this will reduce the craving of even otherwise 'decent' young men for eve-teasing and help the two genders to get along with a little less tension. And, for God's sake, ban all thoses stupid, unrealistic movies we make in which boys win girls' love only by merciless teasing and harassment.
Arun Masilamoni
Hyderabad, India
Oct 04, 2004 12:00 AM
13
please someone answer me...
all the open sex societies like....egypt, roman, greek and indian eventually decayed because of this factor of open sex. IS IT NOT?
is it not a good strategy to destroy india by this way. Can you not see the combined conspiracy of china, japan, oakistan, bangladesh, srilanka and west in this?
c'mon people, learn to read inbetween lines.
rajyavardhan
delhi, india
Oct 03, 2004 12:00 AM
12
It is an excellent article. We have to start sex education in our schools as the youngone are now exposed to all kinds of TV and internet sexual scenes. There was a time when in a large joint family girls learnt about the birds and bees from their mothers and grandmothers.Boys mostly learnt on the street. This subject had been and is still touchy even in USA and other European countries. But everone agrees that with advent of HIV/AIDS epedemic children must learn the facts.
We have also unfortunately yet very old fashioned ideas and I am sure even teachers are hesitent to talk about it to students. Teachers might not be qualified as thier own knowldge may be limited.
We still have that Victorian age stigma. The country who gave the world manual on sex is so prudish that they leave their children with not much knowldge.
The Indian penal Code must be amended as we cant hold the younger generation of today in illetracy of sex knowldge.
Shadi Katyal
Marietta. Ga.., USA
Oct 03, 2004 12:00 AM
11
your survey makes interesting reading.The findings however are inconsistant and as with other outlook surveys one gets the feeling that the base data has been compiled after deciding on conclusions which suit your need.

As per the survey none of the girls in chennai have had sex(Not even one of them has ever been kissed!).If this result found based on the sample is extrapolated then chennai is probably the most Virtuos city in India.This also suits your streotype of Chennai as a conservative City.

However,in the next question on whether sex should be delayed till marriage 52% of the girls respond in negative and this contradiction is beyond my comprehension.

I can draw only one of the following two conclusions
All the respondents in chennai have lied to you
or
YOU NEVER CONDUCTED THE SURVEY and cooked up the figures.

The second looks more probable going by your track record.
sudharshan
madras, india
Oct 03, 2004 12:00 AM
10
Mr. Katyal,
You should be aware of the system & society of the country,, In India sex is still a distinc, people will feel ashame with to some exten, where as in Europ & USA, the girls are faster than boys, bear pregnancy with in the age of 13+ & give birth , without the father's name, this is exempted in USA, but in India , no way to accept this kind of dudes.
So, one should keep in mind the society, yes i am agree with you but to some extent, should be basic level at school level, now a days, TV channel envouring, & then the rapes,prostition growing.
KRUS
KRUS
Raleigh, USA
Oct 03, 2004 12:00 AM
9
Mr. Katyal,
You should be aware of the system & society of the country,, In India sex is still a distinc, people will feel ashame with to some exten, where as in Europ & USA, the girls are faster than boys, bear pregnancy with in the age of 13+ & give birth , without the father's name, this is exempted in USA, but in India , no way to accept this kind of dudes.
So, one should keep in mind the society, yes i am agree with you but to some extent, should be basic level at school level, now a days, TV channel envouring, & then the rapes,prostition growing.
KRUS
KRUS
Raleigh, USA
Oct 03, 2004 12:00 AM
8
sex education is pointless. what is effect in west? nobody is married in west. most of the people have multiple sex partners. society is completely decadent in countries like UK, US, Frannce. children usually grow up worthless. thee is no peace in that society. there are lot of prostitutes. you cannot move alone, or be raped or robbed or killed. is this what we want in india? indian culture gives most respect to women. do we want our child girls to turn into nymphos? what will happen. do we want 7 year olds to have sex? or is it what "vinod outlook mehta" wants, complete destruction of this great land? no, sorry sir. we indians are nice people, but we are not idiots. we can see the design of conpiracy clearly, so shut up. wake up, my country men, and see the truth.
rajyavardhan
delhi, india
Oct 03, 2004 12:00 AM
7
parthasarty, do you even know the meaning of your name? it means sarthy of arjun, that is, lord krishna. if you dont care about country, even then, please do not insult our culture. what you say is outrageous...read my earlier mail for reasons. also, all this aids thing is a conspiracy by west to insult us. they want us to be "developing". else change your name to kansa. that better suits you.
rajyavardhan
delhi, india
Oct 03, 2004 12:00 AM
6
I would have thought this eyeopener article woud have brought some constructive opinions but alas it is the same anti West mumbo jumbo. Why are we afraid to face the facts and reality. Sex is a natural phenomena and we try to make it sinful and dirty.Did we not write Kama Sutra or dont we have Khujaroa Temples. The prudishness we showing are what our British rulers taught us.
Mr.Rajyavardhan shows his knowledge of West that no one is married here. I wonder if he even have visited any Western embassy or Library to read about Western society or just read filmi magezines.Yes they have right to divorce or not marry but at least women have rights. They dont burn them because there was not enough dowery.
For Mr. Krus, how did you generalise the USA while living here. How many families you know who have unmarried teenagers with babies. We have similar problems in India as other countries in theWorld. We hide and dont want to face the truth.Our gilrs have to commit suicide because of stigma.
Yes I did teach my only late son about not bird and bees but to show respect to his girlfriends.
Shadi Katyal
Marietta. Ga.., USA
Oct 03, 2004 12:00 AM
5
India is yet to awake from self-defeating attitude on sex. It is a strict no-no for the parents when children try to know about sex out of curiosity. This only leads these young minds to the dangerous frontiers beyond our imagination. In a world of flooded information, it is high time for the parents to mature into responsible citizens to throw proper light hitherto a social taboo.
dhrubajyoti de
Medinipur, India
Oct 03, 2004 12:00 AM
4
mr. shadi,
i have never been to west...and neither do i wish to. i also know that indian woman are constantly harassed and evetaesed in west.
also, just in case you forgot, our culture encourages 1 man woman relation...the institution of marriage, unlike muslims, who marry 4 woman and produce 40 children! so girlfriend concept is all western idea.
also, as far as i know, kamasutra was not written by shree ram, or lord krishna. it is not religion. some stupid perverted fool wrote it...or maybe it was written by some western to defame our culture.
remember sir, the truth is always sour. let us live the way we want to. this whole survey is a conspiracy to defame our culture as people world over are now afraid, because india is a superpower now.
jai hindu, jai shree ram.
rajyavardhan
delhi, india
Oct 03, 2004 12:00 AM
3
Hegel the famous German philosopher said that morality changes with time. Ofcource not in certain societies, such as Islam.

The views on sex have changed emormouslu in the western countries, since the Victorian era, when sex was very hush hush.

India will change too. This is evident in films,
advertisements, magasines and in dress. Young people in India as in China, Japan etc will follow the western ways. Efforts will be made by moralists to stop it, but the young people will have their way. This again applies to people who are moderniseing. The communities who are very religious and stubborny so, will delay this by say a few decades.

In view of this its better to give sex education in schools. Regarding a sex life before marriage it will depend some what on the milieu and a lot on family influence.

In any case information on such a important part of life should be made freely available.

Lastly sex is not sinful or dirty. If it is so then people should not indulge in this, before or after marriage.
lalit bagai
kalundborg, danmark
Oct 02, 2004 12:00 AM
2
Western style Sex education should not be given in India which leads to do everything just short of making love in public places. Just two weeks ago a white boy and a chinese girl, both teenagers, were openely engaged in a very aggressive posture covering their lower abdomen by a shawl in front of a Public library in Canada.

In India, limited sex education should be imparted to girls and boys in separate groups based on their gradual physical developement. This should also be given in conjuction with our Indian moral, social and religious values.
Ahtasham Rizvi
Delhi, India
Oct 02, 2004 12:00 AM
1
I was very happy to read the article on awarness on sex education. Its very important for the schools to educate the pros an cons of sex, it is highly impossible for atleast 95% (approx) of parents to answer the question of their children on this topic. For which they rely on schools to educate them. Though the children of this generation know things through the internet, books, movies it will only have a negative impact like the curiosity which will provoke them to have sex and try things what they see and read.

But when they are educated through the schools and colleges it will be a great boon to them. And they can analyse what is good and bad in a better way.

I really appreciate if the magazine could have a section which can discuss on the simple quries of the same subject.

I can assure that there will be a great response b'cos this weekly is circulated to all kinds of audiences who can afford to buy a copy. The target audience are all kinds of people for the OUTLOOK , GOOD LUCK!

Kalpana Ramachandran
Dubai
ram
dubai, uae
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