D. Ravinder Reddy
What If....
What If Rajiv Hadn't Unlocked Babri Masjid?
Fundamentally, his decision didn't alter the Ayodhya equation. But, then, his successors didn't continue his equitable and pragmatic Ayodhya policy.
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In 1985, prime minister Rajiv Gandhi gave in to the Muslim zealots in the Shah Bano affair. Overruling a secular court's decision that repudiated wife Shah Bano was entitled to alimony from her ex-husband, he enacted a law abolishing the alimony provision in conformity with the Sharia. Since India, unlike purely secular states, already had religion-based civil codes, this concession merely brought the minor matter of alimony under the purview of the prevailing arrangement. More importantly, it prevented riots.

Only months later, Rajiv restored the balance by giving the Hindus something as well: he ordered the locks on the Ramjanmabhoomi-Babri Masjid in Ayodhya removed. Until then, a priest had been permitted to perform puja once a year for the idols installed there in 1949. Now, all Hindus were given access to what they consider the birthplace of Rama, the prince posthumously deified as an incarnation of Vishnu.

Fundamentally, this decision didn't alter the Ayodhya equation. Architecturally, the building was and remained a mosque while functionally, it had been and continued to be a Hindu temple. That is why in my opinion, not taking this decision wouldn't have changed the Ayodhya developments except in their timing. The different players, their strategies and resolve all remained the same. The Babri Masjid Action Committee and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad would have gone about their "business" just the same.

However, the VHP would have been forced to continue pushing the rather petty demand for removing the locks rather than move on to the more ambitious and mobilising the next step of planning the construction of a new temple. Most probably, the BJP would likewise have reaped smaller dividends from such a campaign. In 1989, it might not have jumped as high as 86 seats. Conversely, the Congress might not have lost the north Indian Muslim vote to the Janata Dal. In 1989, it could have remained just strong enough to cobble together a coalition rather than leave the initiative to the unwholesome and unstable Janata-BJP-Communist combine. So, at the level of party politics, Rajiv's decision may have made a big difference.

On the other hand, the presence or absence of locks might have made little difference to the kar sevaks who brought the structure down in 1992. Then again, with a Rajiv Gandhi government returning to power in 1989, there might have been no reason for this extreme move. The Hindus might by then have gotten their sacred site without a fight.

After all, in a situation where both Hindus and Muslims were laying claim to the site, Rajiv's decision in 1986 was important because it allowed for only one interpretation: he favoured the Hindu claim. This was logical, for the site has a sacred significance for Hindus as the putative birthplace of Rama, while it had no special status for Muslims. Historical documents confirm that Hindus continued to go on pilgrimage to the site all through the centuries of Muslim occupation, while no Muslim ever went on pilgrimage there.

Admittedly, a Muslim lobby had been formed which insisted on reoccupying this Hindu sacred site. The existing Congress culture notoriously knew how to deal with such problems: give the Muslim lobbyists some ministerial posts, some public largesse for their institutes or a raise in the Haj subsidies and they will come around. A small application of this approach was the annulment of Syed Shahabuddin's announced march on Ayodhya in 1988 in exchange for the governmental ban on Salman Rushdie's book The Satanic Verses. A similar but bigger concession might have annulled the Muslim claim on the Ayodhya site. It would not have been the most principled policy, but it would have avoided a lot of communal blood-letting.

This pragmatic approach was thwarted midway. This time the intellectuals played a crucial role. After the locks had been removed, India's Marxist intellectuals unchained all their devils in order to prevent the full restoration of the site as a Hindu pilgrimage centre. In particular, they started insisting that there had never been a Hindu temple at the site before a mosque had been imposed on it.

This was a strange claim to make, for two reasons. Firstly, it was untrue. Until then, all parties concerned had agreed that the mosque had been built in forcible replacement of a temple. What is nowadays rubbished as "the VHP claim" was in fact the consensus view. Thus, in court proceedings in the 1880s, the Muslim claimants and the British rulers agreed with the Hindu claimants on the historical fact of the temple demolition, but since it had happened centuries earlier, they decided that time had sanctioned the Muslim usurpation and nullified the Hindus' legal claim. Further, numerous documents and several archeological excavations confirmed the history of the temple demolition (with the court-ordered excavations of spring 2003 removing the last possible doubt).

Secondly, the question of the site's history was besides the point. The decisive consideration for awarding the site to the Hindus, both for the Hindu campaigners themselves and for Rajiv, was not the site's sacred status in the Middle Ages, but its sacredness for Hindus today. It is the Hindus of 1986 or indeed of 2004 who have been going on pilgrimage to Ayodhya, and they are as much entitled to find a Hindu atmosphere there, complete with Hindu architecture, as Muslims are entitled to find an Islamic atmosphere in Mecca. The VHP has been blamed for politicising history, but it was its opponents who complicated matters by bringing in history, and false history at that.

Nonetheless, the Marxist historians had their way. In their shrill manifestoes, these secular fundamentalists denounced the Hindus' perfectly reasonable expectation that a Hindu sacred site be left in the exclusive care of the Hindus. They did this with such titanic vehemence that the pragmatists were thrown on the defensive.

Rajiv didn't give up, though. In 1989, he allowed the shilanyas ceremony, in which the first stone of the planned temple was put in place. In 1990, as opposition leader, he made Chandra Shekhar's minority government organise a debate on the issue obviously on the assumption that this would confirm the Hindu claim. And so it did, for the anti-temple historians showed up empty-handed when they were asked to provide evidence for an alternative scenario. In a normal course of events, i.e. without the interference of secularist shrieks and howls, this would have set the stage for the peaceful construction of a new temple in the 1990s, with some compensation for the Muslim community, the conflict would have been forgotten by now. Instead, the sore has continued to fester. In 1991, Rajiv was murdered, his successors didn't continue his equitable and pragmatic Ayodhya policy.


(Elst, Belgian Indologist, is the author of Ayodhya : The Case Against the Temple.)


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Sep 04, 2004 12:00 AM
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It is indeed unfortunate that our intellectual class, ie, men and women who can think seriously about issues, are writers and artists, teach in universities, are all infected with a self - destructive willfull blindness and a refusal, inability or an incapacity to understand Islam. Apart from the genocide and the purges carried out in the medieval ages on the defeated population, the muslims were never part of the national movement. As Gandhi mobilised the hindu masses to make the struggle from an elitist one to a national movement, the muslims campaigned for pakistan with the muslim league and jinnah being representative of the popular muslim sentiment.

The culmination of this movement came with the foundation of pakistan and a genocide which ranks with the jewish holocaust, where hindus were completely liquidated from pakistani lands. This cleansing was carried out by muslims and the hindus later retaliated, which was legitimate and just. The origins of these killings lie in the philosophy of Islam, in concepts like Dar-ul-islam and Dar-ul-haram. The jewish persecution and holocaust has led not only to the formation of a formidable jewish state who now show a resilience in battling all odds and never allowing any act of terrorism go unpunished. This is the strength of their resolve which does not come from romanticism or faddism, but from using logic and reason to understand. Using the mind.

Our intellectuals, gentlemen like amitava kumar, only regurgate the position and views regarded as officially secular and liberal. It is fashionable to flaunt them in india. But it reflects no understanding of the past, of india's history and of its freedom struggle, which Gandhi led, primarily by mobilizing the hindu masses with hindu sybols and imagery.
Pankaj Shrivastav
bombay, india
Aug 28, 2004 12:00 AM
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What if The Outlook hdn't come out with
"What if" issue.
Would have some trees atleast and millions of man hours!
Prasad
vidudala Prasad
Pearl River, NY, USA
Aug 20, 2004 12:00 AM
16
Mr.Arun or should I say A-Run? When you can't answer, you resort to the standard tactic of the commies/kngresis: call them names. Who is an OBC anyway? Is it wrong to be an OBC? I thought it was only wrong to be "upper caste" - now A-Run seems to have added "OBC". Perhaps someone could enlighten me?
As for Mr.Vivek Raj, you say "Has this give and take policy any place in democracy? And where is the equality to all which is inherent in the constitution." - When has ANYBODY stood up for the interests of the Hindus when the entire discourse regarding equality has been heavily loaded AGAINST the Hindus? There will be NO EQUALITY as long as the kangres/commie mentality is not wiped out of Indian minds permanently. Leftists are needed in any society - but as a MINORITY that informs and criticizes, NOT as the sole judges of what is right and what is wrong as they are in India. This imbalance is what is sought to be eliminated.
Adi
XXXXX, USA
Aug 20, 2004 12:00 AM
15
Thanks Outlook Suj, I am basically a Kannadiga and a Delhiite, now working in bangalore. I have seen that fanaticism is primarily a north indian phenomena. RSS wallaha write their books which is based on false evidence and subsequently quote from them.They even misquoted gandhi and Patel.Read nooranis book
arun r
Bangalore, india
Aug 19, 2004 12:00 AM
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As Elst has himself said, If Rajiv Gandhi wouldn’t have unlocked the Babri Masjid, the inevitable would have been delayed only, and not denied. I don’t understand that instead of standing up and address the issues, why we keep procrastinating. Certainly the vested interests of the politicians and like minded people play a major role. Time and again the policy has proved to be counter-productive, as happened in Kashmir.


Rajiv Gandhi gave Shah-Bano and asked Babri Masjit in return. Has this give and take policy any place in democracy? And where is the equality to all which is inherent in the constitution. Let me emphasize that we are not a group of small sects, which are to be governed by sectarian rules. We are up-coming country which wants to progress.


Babri Masjid is sorry tale of dirty politics and tricks politicians play on the minds of the people. And in the false endeavor to protect the rights of the minority and maintain secularism (pseudo-secularism ????) of the country, our politicians have taken such a decisions which defy normal reasoning. Rather then uniting, these decisions taken on castes and cultures are further dividing the great Indian society.
Vivek Raj
Mumbai, Country
Aug 19, 2004 12:00 AM
13
The Belgian should stick to the waffles.
outlook suj
new york, usa
Aug 19, 2004 12:00 AM
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I am heartened to see someone with a non-Muslim name like Arun stands up to Hindu fundamentalists and defends Muslims who are under attack in this so-called secular country.
Arun, I appreciate your posts.
outlook suj
new york, usa
Aug 17, 2004 12:00 AM
11
Namaskar Koenraad Elst Mahasay,
(** Mahasay, in Bengali means, a Great person)

We appreciate your view very much. I am from Bengal and a Graduate Engineer from a reputed Institue. I come from a Bengali "bhadralok" family.
Was under the influence of "marxists" for 30 long years!! In last four years I read Tagore again and again, especially his Essays. Read Edward Said. Re-read Romila Thapar, D. Jha. Partha Chatteree, Ashis Nandy. I now understand how hollow the claim of Thapar & Company is. You and your contribution will always be remembered in Red-Letter. I am deeply moved by DHARMAYUDH Singh, and hence described my own story. Sorry for so much of personal talk!
Anima Sarkar
Kolkata, India
Aug 17, 2004 12:00 AM
10
Arun R: What can I say, except I was in your shoes till four years back. Only advise is: Read, re-read Thapar. Read between words, between Lines. You will see its based on hollowness. Its the most illogical history ever written. I still read Sumit Sarkar, Thapar etc, especially their new books. But with my eyes open ! Just would ask you one question: Romila Thapar lead Anti-Temple intellectual drive. She wrote extensively on historical (non)claim. She wrote: Lord Rama was never a important figure, and infact he was not even worshipped during medieval Ages. Ok, very Good.
Then She said: During Gupta period, SamudraGupta took the title "Suryavanshi", meaning his family is tied with that of Lord Rama. Ok. Great.

Guess, now the question is: If someone is so obscure, and doesn't matter, why the all powerful Emperor (Most Probably Guptas had the largest Indian Empire, even bigger than the British/Mughals) took the Title of "Suryavanshi"? Can you please ask Romila Thapar? Guess, many historians/interested readers have the same question.

Arun R: Want to know how History is delibarately twisted, the opposite was spoken by Marxists. Even as famous as Mrs. Thapar? Read Thapar's "Narratives and the making of History" by Romila Thapar, ISBN= 0195651774, Page=40. Read it yourself to understand how she is cheating discussing "Veraval Inscription". For background details read this from Outlook posting: "http://www.outlookindia.com/rantsmag.asp?fodname= 20040428&fname=farrukh_dhondy&sid=1&pn=11". DON'T Believe ANYBODY. READ YOURSELF, Apply simple Logic, and report back !! Dhanyabad,
Anima Sarkar
Kolkata, India
Aug 17, 2004 12:00 AM
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The bengali sarkar who have spoiled their own state by debating indefinitely is now lecturing me about history.
another OBC dharmayudh who are kicked out of this country spreading hatred.
when will these bengalees and OBCs learn to work and talk sense.
Ms sarkar should read the Noorani's book RSS and BJP - a division of labour and then rajeshwar dayals memoir.
Off course bengalees dont have a habit of talking sense be it red commissars or Rss cabals masquerading as academics
arun r
Bangalore, india
Aug 17, 2004 12:00 AM
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There is today a war of civilisation being fought
between the Hindu phlanx and the faithful, assisted by the Hindu left.

Some of us have been called names- banias, brahmins, hindutwits, kahkiknickers and so forth.
The words reflect the impotent rage of these people who fail to present rational arguments.
Abuse is a vent to their frustration.

I have tried to present a view point, that the
strong anti Islamic and anti muslim wave is not
just a Hindu muslim phenomena. It exists in the hitherto most tolerant Scandinavian countries, who are known for rationality, human values,
democracy and liberalism. Its also present in France and Britain where the ideals of democracy, freedom and equality were born.

Outstanding European intellectuals have dropped their hitherto neutrality and taken up a stand against dogmatic Islam. Only a small part of the debate is open to the press and the public. Behind closed doors the critique against Islam is intense.

However if any thing, I have learnt that most of the faithful have such a strong faith in their religion, that no rational arguments will make them change their views. The Quran - unedited since the 7 th century-is their law.

I find one thing intrigueing. What do some of the muslim readers think of their heaven, as
described in the Quran. Really do you believe that all muslim men will get 72 young virgins. ??
What a fixation about sex in this and after life.

How about your Hindu allies. Do they get anything, or are they just destined to serve sherbet and pass the kababs around.

Anyway lets get on to some thing else. Ultimately
the war of civilisations will be fought by the USA and its allies against the Ummah. The USA
has several think tanks , some with christian
fundamentalists and jewish intellectuals.

It will be quite unpredictable. It could end with an occupation of all sources of oil in the middleeast. We small actors will watch the scene
from the side lines.
lalit bagai
kalundborg, danmark
Aug 17, 2004 12:00 AM
7
What if the British had come before the muslim
invadors, and the latter had stayed back to look after their affairs.

Absent muslims and constant quarrels, maybe we would have had a modern country like Australia.
A relative small population ,with English as the language franca, liberated women in jeans and skirts, good in cricket and tennis, and lots of beer.

We would be watching eastenders on the TV and reading Economist, and the Times- Independent for the lefties.

Wouldnt it have been luverley.

lalit bagai
kalundborg, danmark
Aug 16, 2004 12:00 AM
6
An abolute lie. there is no hostorical evidence of any temple in the same spot where once babri masjid stood before the forceful planting of ramlala idol. Elst is an RSS dalaal
arun r
Bangalore, india
Aug 16, 2004 12:00 AM
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Many Hindus believe that Ayodhya was the birth place of Ram. It seems to me to be completely inappropriate that a masjid should have been built in this holy town. That Babar built this mosque on a neutral site is bad enough. Just as inappropriate as building a mosque in the vatican or a church or a synagogue in Mecca. The muslims would good go bersek at the very thought. That he may have built it after destroying a temple just adds salt to the wound.

Anyway whilst a Ram temple in Ayodhya has special sinificance for the Hindus, a disused Babri mosque should not in all reasonableness mean so much to the muslims.

That the muslims have dug in their heels, and not even the liberal muslims can concede anything to the other side is very significant.
It shows a mentality which is causeing the muslims to be disliked across the globe.

Hindu secularists remain unaware that prejudice and anger against the muslims is not confined
to fundamentalist Hindus, but is present all across the world. It is due to the uncompriseing nature of the muslims and a bizarre inability to see the others point of view.

In fact whilst many Hindu secularists are willing to turn the other cheek most Europeans and Americans etc are not. No way will a special civil code for muslims be permitted any where else but in so called secular India. No where in Europe or the USA will Rushdie or Nasreens books be banned because muslims threaten to burn the town. In fact in the USA the
government would step on hard on muslim extremists, many of whom have been deported.

I agree that the Babri masjid should have remained what it was. A disused mosque and a remanant of India's troubled past. But now the matter should be closed. Now let a Ram temple be built , and no mosque or whatever should be built in this town which has a very special religious sinificance for the Hindus. If muslims insist that a mosque be built, then this would be another sign revealing a unacceptable perversity,and should be disregarded.

lalit bagai
kalundborg, danmark
Aug 16, 2004 12:00 AM
4
another lie1 DISUSED??? BANIAS HAVE PLANTED AN IDOL AND FORCIBLY STOPPED MUSLIMS FROM ENTERING FOR FORTY YEARS.
Lalit is another RSS dalaal.
Banias and brahmins are a minority in India and they should be kicked out of India.
arun r
Bangalore, india
Aug 16, 2004 12:00 AM
3
Arun R
_________

I can not be kicked out of India. I live in
Denmark in a beautiful house near the sea, and have no intention of liveing in India.

However I would adress a few questions to you and other muslim friends.

aaa Was it right for Babar to build a mosque
in Ayodyha, the birthplace of Ram.

bbb. Would muslims accept that a temple, church or Synagoguen was built in Mecca.

ccc. Would christians permit muslims to build a
mosque in the Vatican, or another holy site.

Muslims want nonmuslims to accomodate them
and please them, but they are unwilling to return the favour. It is a result of the ill feelings against muslims that muslims have not yet been able to build a mosque in Copenhagen which they have wished for a long time.

I am not a bania or a brahmin(unfortunately)
but both of these communities are rich and well educated. They are of value to India. Can you say the same for your self.
lalit bagai
kalundborg, danmark
Aug 16, 2004 12:00 AM
2
Whoa ... whats this ... been away for a while ... Rajeev Srinivasan... Koenraad Elst ... What gives ???!!!

OUTLOOK ROCKS !!!

More later ...
Dharmayudh Singh
Philadelphia, USA
Aug 16, 2004 12:00 AM
1
Koenraad-ji,

Namaskar. If you happen to read these comments - To you, I owe an infinite debt. I used to be a pseudo-secularist until I read your book Ayodhya & After: Issues before Hindu society. It cost me a whopping 250 Rs in 1992 when I was in my final year of engg. Thats when I started thinking and looking at the manner in which issues were talked about & handled by the Indian inteligentsia. It really opened my eyes. You made me realise my own dharma ...

Thanks again.
Dharmayudh Singh
Philadelphia, USA
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