photographs by T. Narayan
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The Road To Harsud
Arundhati Roy on the death of a 700-year-old town, the Narmada's own mofussil Atlantis
Villages die by night. Quietly. Towns die by day, shrieking as they go. Photographs by T. Narayan
Villages die by night. Quietly. Towns die by day, shrieking as they go.

Since Independence, Big Dams have displaced more than 35 million people in India alone. What is it about our understanding of nationhood that allows governments to crush their own people with such impunity? What is it about our understanding of 'progress' and 'national interest' that allows (applauds) the violation of people's rights on a scale so vast that it takes on the texture of everyday life and is rendered virtually invisible?

But every now and then something happens to make the invisible visible, the incomprehensible comprehensible.
 
 
Every now and then something happens to make the invisible visible. Harsud is that something. History. Theatre.
 
 
Harsud is that something. It is literature. Theatre. History.

Harsud is a 700-year-old town in Madhya Pradesh, slated to be submerged by the reservoir of the Narmada Sagar Dam (sometimes called the Indira Sagar). The same Harsud where in 1989, 30,000 activists gathered from across India, held hands in a ring around the town, and vowed to collectively resist destruction masquerading as 'Development'. Fifteen years on, while Harsud waits to drown, that dream endures on slender moorings.

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The 92-metre-high Narmada Sagar (262 metres above mean sea level, which is the way dam heights are usually referred to) is the second-highest dam of the many large dams on the Narmada. The Sardar Sarovar in Gujarat is the highest. The reservoir of the Narmada Sagar is designed to be the largest in India. In order to irrigate 1,23,000 hectares of land, it will submerge 91,000 hectares! This includes 41,000 hectares of prime dry deciduous forest, 249 villages and the town of Harsud. According to the detailed project report, 30,000 hectares of the land in the Narmada Sagar command was already irrigated in 1982.

 
 
It began to rain. The water lapping against the shores was full of menace. Was that Noah, building his Ark, waiting for the Deluge?
 
 
Odd math, wouldn't you say? Those who have studied the Narmada Sagar Project—Ashish Kothari of Kalpvriksh, Claude Alvarez and Ramesh Billorey—have warned us for years that of all the high dams on the Narmada, the Narmada Sagar would be the most destructive. The Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore, estimated that up to 40 per cent of the composite command areas of the Omkareshwar and Narmada Sagar could become severely waterlogged. In a note prepared in 1993 for the review committee, the Ministry of Environment and Forests estimated the value of the forest that would be submerged as Rs 33,923 crore. It went on to say that if this cost was included, it would make the project unviable. The Wildlife Institute of India, Dehradun, warned of the loss of a vast reservoir of biodiversity, wildlife and rare medicinal plants. Its 1994 impact assessment report to the ministry of environment said: "The compensation of the combined adversarial impacts of the Narmada Sagar Project and the Omkareshwar Project is neither possible nor is being suggested. These will have to be reckoned as the price for the perceived socio-economic benefit."

As always, all the warnings were ignored.

Construction of the dam began in 1985. For the first few years, it proceeded slowly. It ran into trouble with finance and land acquisition. In 1999, after a fast by activists of the Narmada Bachao Andolan, work was suspended altogether.

On May 16, 2000, in keeping with the central government's push to privatise the power sector and open it to global finance, the government of Madhya Pradesh signed an MoU with the Government of India to "affirm the joint commitment of the two parties to the reform of the power sector in Madhya Pradesh".
 
 
New Harsud is nothing but mile upon mile of stony, barren land. It has no water, no sewage, no school. Also, no work.
 
 
The 'reforms' involved "rationalising" power tariffs and slashing cross-subsidies that would (and did) inevitably lead to political unrest. The same MoU promised central government support for the Narmada Sagar and Omkareshwar dams by setting up a joint venture with the National Hydro-Electric Power Corporation (NHPC).That contract was signed on the same day. May 16, 2000.

Both agreements will inevitably lead to the pauperisation and dispossession of people in the state.

The NHPC boasts that the Narmada Sagar will eventually take care of the "power needs" of the state. That's not a claim that stands up to scrutiny.

The installed capacity of the Narmada Sagar Dam is 1,000 MW. Which means what it sounds like—that the power-generating machinery that has been installed is capable of producing 1,000 MW of electricity. What is produced—firm power—depends on actually available water flows. (A fancy Ferrari may be capable of doing 300 kmph. But what would it do without fuel?) The detailed project report puts the actual firm power at 212 MW, coming down to 147 MW when the irrigation canals become operational.

According to the NHPC's own publicity, the cost of power at the bus bar (factory gate) is Rs 4.59 per unit.
 
 
Harsud broke. All night people smashed away at their own homes. By morning it looked like a suburb of Baghdad.
 
 
Which means at consumer point, it will cost about Rs 9. Who can afford that? It's even more expensive than Enron's electricity in Dabhol!

When (if) the project is fully built, the NHPC says it will generate an annual average of 1,950 million units of power. For the sake of argument, let's accept that figure. Madhya Pradesh currently loses 44.2 per cent of its electricity—12,000 million units a year—in transmission and distribution (T&D) losses. That's the equivalent of SIX Narmada Sagars. If the MP government could work towards saving even half its current T&D losses, it could generate power equal to three Narmada Sagar projects, at a third of the cost, with none of the social and ecological devastation.

But instead, once again we have a Big Dam with questionable benefits and unquestionably cruel, unviable costs.

After the MoU for the Narmada Sagar was signed, the NHPC set to work with its customary callousness. The dam wall began to go up at an alarming pace. At a press conference on March 9, 2004 (after the BJP won the assembly elections and Uma Bharati became chief minister of Madhya Pradesh), Yogendra Prasad, chairman and managing director of the NHPC, boasted that the project was 8 to 10 months ahead of schedule. He said that because of better management, the costs of the project would be substantially lower. Asked to comment on the objections being raised by the NBA about rehabilitation, he said the objections were irrelevant.

"Better management", it now turns out, is a euphemism for cheating thousands of poor people.

Yogendra Prasad, Digvijay Singh and Uma Bharati are criminally culpable, and in any society in which the powerful are accountable, would find themselves in jail. The fact that the NHPC is a central government body makes the Union government culpable too. They have wilfully violated the terms of their own MoU, which legally binds them to comply with the principles of the Narmada Water Disputes Tribunal Award (NWDTA). The Award specifies that in no event can submergence precede rehabilitation. (Which is about as self-evident as saying child abuse is a crime). They have violated the government of Madhya Pradesh's rehabilitation policy. They have violated the conditions of environmental and forest clearance. They have violated the terms of several international covenants that India has signed: the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Civil, Economic and Political Rights and the International Labour Organisation Convention. The Supreme Court says that any international treaty signed by India becomes part of our domestic and municipal law. Not a single family has been resettled according to the NWDT Award or the Madhya Pradesh rehabilitation policy.

There is no excuse, no mitigating argument for the horror they have unleashed.

The road from Khandwa to Harsud is a toll road. A smooth, new private highway, littered with the carcasses of trucks, motorcycles and cars whose drivers were clearly unused to such luxury.On the outskirts of Harsud, you pass row upon row of cruel, corrugated tin sheds.Tin roofs, tin walls, tin doors, tin windows. As blindingly bright on the outside as they are blind dark inside. A sign says 'Baad Raahat Kendra' (flood relief centre). It's largely empty except for the bulldozers, jeeps, government officers and police, who stroll around unhurried, full of the indolent arrogance that comes with power. The flood relief centre has been built where only a few weeks ago the government college stood.

And then, under the lowering, thundery sky, Harsud...like a scene out of a Marquez novel.

The first to greet us was an old buffalo, blind, green-eyed with cataract. Even before we entered the town we heard the announcement repeated over and over again on loudspeakers attached to a roving Matador van. "Please tether your cattle and livestock. Please do not allow them to roam free. The government will make arrangements to transport them." (Where to?) People with nowhere to go are leaving. They have loosed their livestock on to Harsud's ruined streets. And the government doesn't want drowning cattle on its hands.

Behind the blind buffalo, silhouetted against the sky, the bare bones of a broken town. A town turned inside out, its privacy ravaged, its innards exposed. Personal belongings, beds, cupboards, clothes, photographs, pots and pans lie on the street.
 
 
There's order in the chaos. Doorframes stacked together. Iron grills in a separate pile. Broken bricks still flecked with colour.
 
 
In several houses, caged parakeets hang from broken beams. An infant swaddled in a sari-crib sways gently, fast asleep in a doorway in a free-standing wall. Leading from nowhere to nowhere. Live electric cables hang down like dangerous aerial roots. The insides of houses lie rudely exposed. It's strange to see how a bleached, colourless town on the outside was vibrant on the inside, the walls every shade of turquoise, emerald, lavender, fuchsia.

Perched on the concrete frames of wrecked buildings, men, like flightless birds, are hammering, sawing, smoking, talking. If you didn't know what was happening, you could be forgiven for thinking that Harsud was being built, not broken. That it had been hit by an earthquake and its citizens were rebuilding it. But then you notice that the old, grand trees, mahua, neem, peepul, jamun are all still standing. And outside every house you see the order in the chaos. The doorframes stacked together. Iron grills in a separate pile. Tin sheets in another. Broken bricks still flecked with coloured plaster piled up in a heap. Tin boards, shop signs, leaning against lampposts. Ambika Jewellers, Lovely Beauty Parlour, Shantiniketan Dharamshala, Blood and Urine Tested Here. On more than one house, there are insanely optimistic signs: "This house is for sale." Every house, every tree has a code number on it.
 
 
What can we expect from the courts? A pseudo-rap on the government's knuckles (Bad boy Fido! Naughty dog!)?
 
 
Only the people are uncoded. The local cartoonist is exhibiting his work on a pile of stones. Every cartoon is about how the government cheated and deceived people. A group of spectators discusses the details of various ongoing rackets in town—from tenders for the tin sheets for the tin sheds, to the megaphones on the Matador, to the bribes being demanded from parents for School TCs (transfer certificates) to a non-existent school in a non-existent rehabilitation site. Parents are distraught and children are delighted because their school building has been torn down. Many children will lose a whole school year. The poorer ones will drop out.

The people of Harsud are razing their town to the ground. Themselves. The very young and the very old sit on heaps of broken brick. The able-bodied are frenetically busy.They're tearing apart their homes, their lives, their past, their stories.They're carting the debris away in trucks and tractors and bullock carts. Harsud is hectic. Like a frontier town during the Gold Rush. The demise of a town is lucrative business. People have arrived from nearby towns.Trucks, tractors, dealers in scrap-iron, timber and old plastic throng the streets, beating down prices, driving hard bargains, mercilessly exploiting distress sales.Migrant workers camp in makeshift hovels on the edge of town. They are the poorest of the poor. They have come from Jhabua, and the villages around Omkareshwar, displaced by the other big dams on the Narmada, the Sardar Sarovar and the Omkareshwar.
 
 
The poor could have bribed the patwaris and the revenue inspectors. But they didn't have the cash—"Hum feelgood nahin kar paaye."
 
 
The better off in Harsud hire them as labour. A severely malnutritioned demolition squad. And so the circle of relentless impoverishment closes in upon itself.

In the midst of the rubble, life goes on. Private things are now public. People are cooking, bathing, chatting (and yes, crying) in their wall-less homes. Iridescent orange jalebis and gritty pakoras are being deep-fried in stoves surrounded by mounds of debris. The barber has a broken mirror on a broken wall. (Perhaps the man he's shaving has a broken heart.) The man who is demolishing the mosque is trying to save the coloured glass. Two men are trying to remove the Shivling from a small shrine without chipping it. There is no method to the demolition. No safety precautions. Just a mad hammering. A house collapses on four labourers. When they are extricated, one of them is unconscious and has a steel rod sticking into his temple. But they're only adivasis. They don't matter. The show must go on.

There is an eerie, brittle numbness to the bustle. It masks the government's ruthlessness and people's despair. Everyone knows that nearby, in the Kalimachak tributary, the water has risen. The bridge on the road to Badkeshwar is already under water.

There are no proper estimates of how many villages will be submerged in the Narmada Sagar Reservoir, when (if) the monsoon comes to the Narmada Valley. The Narmada Control Authority website uses figures from the 1981 Census! In newspaper reports, government officials estimate it will submerge more than a hundred villages and Harsud town. Most estimates suggest that this year 30,000 families will be uprooted from their homes. Of these, 5,600 families (22,000 people) are from Harsud. Remember, these are 1981 figures.

When the reservoir of the first dam on the Narmada—the Bargi Dam—was filled in 1989, it submerged three times more land than government engineers said it would. Then, 101 villages were slated for submergence, but in the monsoon of 1989, when the sluice gates were finally closed and the reservoir was filled, 162 villages (including some of the government's own resettlement sites) were submerged. There was no rehabilitation. Tens of thousands of people slid into destitution and abject poverty. Today, 15 years later, irrigation canals have still not been built. So the Bargi Dam irrigates less land than it submerged and only 6 per cent of the land that its planners claimed it would irrigate. All indicators suggest that the Narmada Sagar could be an even bigger disaster.

Farmers who usually pray for rain, now trapped between drought and drowning, have grown to dread the monsoon.

Oddly enough, after the 1989 rally, when the anti-dam movement was at its peak, the town of Harsud never became a major site of struggle. The people chose the option of conventional, mainstream politics, and divided themselves acrimoniously between the Congress and the BJP. Like most people, they believed that dams were not intrinsically bad, provided displaced people were resettled. So they didn't oppose the Dam, hoping their political mentors would see that they received just compensation. Villages in the submergence zone did try to organise resistance, but were brutally and easily suppressed. Time and again they appealed to the NBA (located further downstream, fighting against the Sardar Sarovar and Maheshwar dams) for help.The NBA, absurdly overstretched and under-resourced, did make sporadic interventions, but was not able to expand its zone of influence to the Narmada Sagar.

With no NBA to deal with, bolstered by the Supreme Court's hostile judgements on the Sardar Sarovar and Tehri dams, the Madhya Pradesh government and its partner, the NHPC, have rampaged through the region with a callousness that would shock even a seasoned cynic. The lie of rehabilitation has been punctured once and for all. Planners who peddle it do so for the most cruel, opportunistic reasons. It gives them cover. It sounds so reasonable.

In the absence of organised resistance, the media in Madhya Pradesh has done a magnificent job. Local journalists have doggedly exposed the outrage for what it is. Editors have given the story the space it deserves. Sahara Samay has its OB van parked in Harsud. Newspapers and television channels carry horror stories every day. A normally anaesthetised, unblinking public has been roused to anger. Every day, groups of people arrive to see for themselves what is happening, and to express their solidarity. The state government and the NHPC remain unmoved. Perhaps a decision has been taken to exacerbate the tragedy and wait out the storm once and for all. Perhaps they're gambling on the fickleness of public memory and the media's need for a crisis turnover. But a crime of this proportion is not going to be forgotten so easily. If it goes unpunished, it cannot but damage India's image as a benign destination for International Finance: thousands of people, evicted from their homes with nowhere to go. And it's not war. It's policy.

Can it really be that 30,000 families have nowhere to go? Can it really be that a whole town has nowhere to go? Ministers and government officials assure the press that a whole new township—New Harsud—has been built near Chhanera, 12 km away. On July 12, in his budget presentation, MP finance minister Shri Raghavji announced: "Rehabilitation of Harsud town which was pending for years has been completed in six months."

Lies.

New Harsud is nothing but mile upon mile of stony, barren land in the middle of nowhere. A few hundred of the poorest families of Harsud have moved there and live under tarpaulin and tin sheets. (The rest have placed themselves at the mercy of relatives in nearby towns, or are using up their meagre compensation on rented accommodation. In and around Chhanera, rents have skyrocketed.) In New Harsud, there's no water, no sewage system, no shelter, no school, no hospital. Plots have been marked out like cells in a prison, with mud roads that criss-cross at right angles. They get water from a tanker. Sometimes they don't. There are no toilets and there is not a tree or a bush in sight for them to piss or shit behind. When the wind rises, it takes the tin sheets with it. When it rains, the scorpions come out of the wet earth. Most important of all, there's no work in New Harsud. No means of earning a livelihood.

People can't leave their possessions in the open and go off in search of work. So the little money they have been paid, dwindles. Of course, cash compensation is only given to the Head of the Family, that is: to men. What a travesty for the thousands of women who are hit hardest by the violence of displacement.

In Chhanera, the booze shops are doing brisk business.

When media attention trails away, so will the water tankers. People will be left in a stony desert with no option but to flee. Again.

And this is what is being done to people from a town.

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Villages die by night. Quietly. Towns die by day, shrieking as they go. Photographs by T. Narayan
 
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HAVE YOUR SAY
Aug 02, 2004 12:00 AM
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I fully sympathise with both Ms. Roy and all those who have tried to critisize her.
Ashok Mathur
Delhi, India
Jul 28, 2004 12:00 AM
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Pity we can't tie Arundhati to a tree and sink her with the town.
Nina
london, UK
Jul 26, 2004 12:00 AM
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Please post only those messages here which are relevant to the stories under question, or directly related to them. For all other discussions and debates, please use the Free Speech forums.
Executive Editor, outlookindia.com
New Delhi, India
Jul 25, 2004 12:00 AM
41
Hey Grime Boy Senna.....we are still waiting for your reply.
Vikas Chowdhry
Madison, USA
Jul 24, 2004 12:00 AM
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While Arundhati Roy may have gone poetic, writing an ode to Harsud, she has essentially missed the point. That we are essentially an overpopulated country and whenever our towns and cities expand, they take in more farmland from the farmer and convert it into housing. Or whenever a new project is taken up -- power and dams and even politically correct projects like schools, colleges, housing for the poor, they are taken up on land which has been forcibly acquired from the farmer.

What is Harsud after all? Miles away from our reality. Why don't we all look at our own houses and offices? They were all constructed on land which was notified by town planning agencies and then forcibly purchased from the farmer. Delhi, where I live has grown from 80 sq km in 1947 to 1441 sq kilometres now. Even Arundhati's own house is built on land which was owned by farmers once. Why no tears here?

Even the farmers who sold their land are now part of Delhi and the boom of capitalism. I am assosciated with town planning and know from experience that even farmners are keen to sell their land to develoment authorities and vie for high compensation.The same is the story of Kolkatta, mumbai, Bangalore or any other city. Yes, there is an element of cruelty here. Snatching land from one set of people to give it to another.

But What I mean to state is that Harsud is not special. Only Arundhati finds it special because she had ranted against the Narmada dam for so long, and today seeing the happy dancing people of Madhya Pradesh, Gujurat and later on Rajasthan who are recieving waters or will recieve waters is giving her heartburn.

Dear Arubdhati and Medha Patkar, if you want to do something for the environment of this country you should support the family planning programmes. After all we are heading for an environmental disaster because of our overpopulation and no other reason. And it is this demand of our excess population which is going to continously pitch one set of people against others.

But then rallies for population control will not fetch them international publicity. Nor get them politically correct images...
sanjay
delhi, india
Jul 24, 2004 12:00 AM
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Dear Ayrton,

You mentioned that,

“So I'd much rather not get into an argument on "progress" and "standards of living." Those realities are subjective and depend on what world view you adopt. I couldn't be happier anyplace else, except in the dirt, grime and raw energy of Mumbai. My home, my world.”

It made me realize my folly about leaving my home. I too have such fond memories of India and specially Bombay my adopted home and after your nudging I realized that I could not be happier anywhere else except India.

I fondly remember my days when I used to travel from Juhu to SEEPZ (Andheri –E) on my bike. I used to start at 8 AM in the morning and spend one hour in traffic – the most productive time of my day. I think I might be getting too mushy here but please bear with me – but those days Andheri (E) had a flyover construction going on which had been stalled for over two years due to political wrangling and I used to just wait there in traffic while BEST buses used to emit their lovely exhaust on my face. The best part about the whole morning commute used to be reaching the office totally sweaty, covered with grime and so ready to work for eight hours.

It hurts me so much nowadays to think that I am able to reach my office in 15 minutes flat and spend all that time working which I could have spent getting stuck in traffic in Mumbai.

One day I had gone to town, and that was the day they arrested (or tried to arrest) Thackerey – and Shiv Sainiks brought entire Mumbai to halt. They even stopped the local trains. I was at Marine Lines with no cabs and no trains to reach back home and I slapped my friend in disbelief that could we be so lucky so as to living the Mumbai dream of spending an entire night on the platform. Then our misfortune that they released the guy or something and trains were back running and we were forced to take the train back home. I mean where else can you find such macho guys able to bring an entire metropolis to a standstill – it was such a surreal experience.

Oh the romanticism of dirt, grime and the raw energy of dance bars, gang wars, communal riots – where would India be without all that and where would India be without progressive looking people like you. After all we the Diaspora are just getting fat with the money the neo-colonists have thrown at us and we keep thinking of a country that is clean, efficient with a decent standard of living but obviously that is all subjective.
Vikas Chowdhry
Madison, USA
Jul 24, 2004 12:00 AM
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If that is true, then hang her! I have nothing else to say.
Ayrton Senna
Mumbai, India
Jul 24, 2004 12:00 AM
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Point is -- she highlighted a problem. And whatever anybody's political affiliations or leanings be, she's got a story to tell. Why is it so difficult to accept that story?

Because, to give just one reason, she is a hypocrite?

If she's for undammed rivers, green forests, pristine nature, motherhood and apple pie, why did she build a nice bungalow for herself on forest land in violation of eco-protection laws?

What if sandalwood smuggler Veerappan has a story to tell about deforestation?
Raghu Reddy
Bangalore, India
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
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Vikas, I agree on one thing with you. Being in the West does change your perspective. It changed mine. Which is precisely why I'm glad to be back home. Back to where I belong. And that is also why I can't stand ruthless capitalism. So I'd much rather not get into an argument on "progress" and "standards of living." Those realities are subjective and depend on what world view you adopt. I couldn't be happier anyplace else, except in the dirt, grime and raw energy of Mumbai. My home, my world.

Having said that, let's not forget, the world changes. Nobody, in their right minds would have ever imagined in the seventies that Communism will collapse or that the Berlin Wall would fall. Times change. Philosophies change. So do idealogies. So let's not be so cock sure Arundhathi is wrong. Social Democracy may just, yet work.

And Mr Singh, if I could write like her, I wouldn't waste my time arguing with you. I'd be talking to Kofi Annan.

P.S: Mr Singh, yes! Mumbai city offers lightning fast broadband access. A nice, thick 512 Kbps pipe that streams data seamlessly. Surprised that the natives have it, eh?
Ayrton Senna
Mumbai, India
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
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Dude Senna, are you actually Arundhati Roy by any chance ...?

If I belong to the diaspora, I am stating a fact , its you who read it as condescending ... or a, "Us v/s You " or "snobbery" issue ...

And lets face it .. we are subjected to a different set of inputs or stimuli which is why we might be thinking differently ... if you dont "like it", then you can "love it"...

"heart that claims to beat for the native browns" ... Har de Har har har ...

Bottomline - Harsud people need to be compensated; Revisit the delivery process; Arundhati sucks. Period.

Thank you Arundhati aka Ayrton. BTW good to know that you guys have internet access in that forest mansion of yours !
Dharmayudh Singh
Philadelphia, USA
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
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No Mr. Senna we do not see ourselves as different from the Indians we have left behind. But being in West changes your attitude. You see the progress, you see the standard of living and then you realize what human beings are capable of achieving if unchained from too much government meddling.

That is why lots of people in the diaspora have a problem with Arundhati Roy. When she writes about problems, she almost sounds gleeful that there is something to write about, as pointed out in another posting, almost like a vulture - she derives her energy from destruction.

And what makes her political leanings wrong are the world events during the past decade which have conclusively proved socialims/communism/marxism as a defunct, self defeating ideology.
Vikas Chowdhry
Madison, USA
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
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Once again, this whole issue about shooting the messenger is distracting from the issue on hand. What makes your political leanings acceptable while hers isn't?

Point is -- she highlighted a problem. And whatever anybody's political affiliations or leanings be, she's got a story to tell. Why is it so difficult to accept that story?

And Mr Singh, what is it about her that upsets you so much? That she writes well? Or that she feels passionately and articulates herself as passionately?

I think the problem lies with attitudes Mr Singh. Let me elaborate on that one. When you say, "Arundhati does have a credibility problem for a lot of us in the diaspora...." what exactly are you trying to imply?

That only those in the diaspora have problems with her? Or that Indians in India have no problem with her?

Whatever the answer to that may be, my point is, it's the attitude that upsets me. On the one hand, your heart beats and craves for India. On the other hand, you don't see yourself as Indian. You see yourself as different. That's why, "...a lot of us in the diaspora."

You fobbed me off a few messages earlier for being castigating NRIs.

In your statement lies my problem. The snobbery, the condescending attitude, worse still -- a heart that claims to beat for the native browns you left behind.
Ayrton Senna
Mumbai, India
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
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Arundhati does have a credibility problem for a lot of us in the diaspora ... see my earlier "vulture" comment ... apart from ideology, with her one does not really know when the fact ends and the fiction starts ... with her its "flood of words, drop of reason" ... know what I mean ...

thats why as a messenger, she's a persona non grata ...

Dharmayudh Singh
Philadelphia, USA
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
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The messenger needs to be shot because the messenger is distorting the message because of her politicial leanings, because the messenger is delivering selective messages - ones that justify her political leanings.
And yes people mean more than ideologies - try telling that to communists. Maybe after Kerela, one of these days Outlook should do a cover story on the industrial wasteland that is W Bengal.
Vikas Chowdhry
Madison, USA
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
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Dharmayudh,

That was my original point. Why bash Arundhati Roy? All she's said is that there's injustice out there. How do her political leanings matter? It's people who are being destroyed. And people matter more than ideologies. Why can't the message be acknowledged? Does the messenger have to be shot?
Ayrton Senna
Mumbai, India
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
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The issue here is that people who are displaced by dams should be given just & proper compensation so that they are at least left in a similar economic condition ...

If its gonna be a bunch of bureaucrats who decide what they must get and its a bunch of people who will dole out that relief ... for eg. Blankets ... now if the gusy in the supply chain decide that they keep the blankets for themselves ... then one can hardly blame the economic system ...

Whether its Capitalism or Communism or hybrid in between ... it dont matter because the supply chain will suck up the relief ...

Perhaps the right way should have been a social audit by the govt and the NGO's ; this should have been followed by a negotiation on what and how the people should have got compensated ... ; transparent delivery of the compensation with audits done by the NGO's & govt in order to track leakages in the supply chain ... and thats it ..

perhaps rather than argue about macro issues about which economic system should have been in place ... and whether the war in Iraq was just or not ... all that was required was a simple micro level change in the process ...

Thats my 90 paise...
Dharmayudh Singh
Philadelphia, USA
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
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Vikas, Correction there. Social democracy is not a euphemism for socialism. It's the outcome of an acknowledgement that socialism failed and there ought to be a better alternative.

As for the Europeans sniggering at the laissez-fare capitalism of the US, I don't blame them. What kind of an economy wages a useless war when it's deficits are balloning out of control? What kind of an economy needs to be so damn ruthless to further it's own interests?
Ayrton Senna
Mumbai, India
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
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Ayrton,
If socialism failed then why are we having an alternative that has social in its name and is build on the same basic principle. Can you define in 1 sentence what is the basic essence of social democracy?

As for the war in Iraq, I think you are shifting the grounds of argument there. I thought we were talking about economic policies and you certainly cannot blame capitalism for the Iraq war though there are people who claim that US invaded Iraq for its oil but I don't agree with them.

Vikas Chowdhry
Madison, USA
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
26
What is social democracy? I believe that it is nothing but a euphemism and a back door entry for socialism. Europe has tried social democracy in various forms over the past few years. They snigger at the laissez-fare capitalism of the US (which in itself is a watered down version of the Ayn Rand type of capitalism). And you can see the effects of social democracy in Europe. There is an increasing panic over the stunted 2% growth rate that Europe has been managing for the past few years. The humane face of capitalism with lots of vacation, 35 hour work week is fast giving way to realities of the world.

No Mr. Senna, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. Capitalism is capitalism - there are no types of it.
Vikas Chowdhry
Madison, USA
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
25
Vikas,
I said social democracy. Not socialistic. There's a big difference between the two, isn't it? Social democracies function perfectly well within the boundaries of a capitalistic society.

The issue in India is not between socialism and capitalism. It's just, what kind of capitalism do we want? My point is just this -- I want a humane society. And if a social democracy that thrives in a capitalistic society can deliver, then that is what I want.

And Singh Saheb, God bless you for your gesture. I'm sure the school will go a long, long way!!!!

Ayrton Senna
Mumbai, India
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
24
Tell us about the people who died Senna saab ! When, Where, How ?
Dharmayudh Singh
Philadelphia, USA
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
23
And most of us in India, I'm sure, don't have a clue of what it is to be an economist, engineer or an environmentalist. Please, spare me the condescending attitude!!!!
Ayrton Senna
Mumbai, India
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
22
Ayrton Senna Saab

You can "furiously gyrate your hips" all you want ... use the choicest expletives to berate us but we "thinking" Indian knows otherwise ...

S/he knows that Ms Roy and her ilk are vultures who swoop down from their ivory towers once in a while to prod and probe at scraps of evidence among the dead and dying ... scraps of evidence to show the world and convince the "intellectual" Indians that globalization is bad ... the issue is scoring brownie points ... Its not to actually help the affected people ... Its human rights awards, its medals and citations , its being invited to various fora for lectures ... the affected are just Evidence 'X' or Evidence 'Y'

As for doing stuff for India , I have set up a school in Bijapur district in Northern Karnataka ...

What has you done , Ayrton besides genuflecting in front of these vultures ...?



Dharmayudh Singh
Philadelphia, USA
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
21
Dear Mr. Senna,
How do you suppose you eliminate homelessness? How do you suppose you eliminate hunger? You know there is an old Chinese proverb: "Give a man a fish and you feed him once, teach a man to catch fish and you feed him for life" For more than 50 years, under the socialist regime we have been handing out fish to poor people in the form of government largesse. Farmers are committing sucicide? - give them 1 time 5 lacs. People are hungry? - give them 2 Rs a kg rice. What about long term solutions to the problems? Look around the world today and it is a fact that even though Capitalism is not perfect it is the best we've got. Look at the wastelands that socialism and leftist ideologies have created - this debate has long ceased in the west, I feel sorry for India that it is still considered an issue - this should have been settled long ago.

Socialism and altruism is not humane - it is the worst form of cruelty because it robs human beings of their dignity by turning them into objects of pity.
Vikas Chowdhry
Madison, USA
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
20
For senna
_______

Some words to describe you would be, ilmannered,
immature and stupid.

The NRI's are not losers. Most of us are doing allright , but this is irrelavent. Most of us are presenting sound arguments. I suppose because some most of us are engineers, environmentalists,or economists.

I will not be rude enough to ask what you do for a liveing.
lalit bagai
kalundborg, danmark
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
19
Vikas, Thanks so much for the award! But will you for heaven's sake tell me what is it that is retrograde and leftist about being humane. Have you seen people die? Die by the thousands? I can bet you haven't. But many of us, here, have. I have. And it's not a pretty sight. After you've seen what it is like to see dead people, stacked up. After you've seen the homeless wailing. And after you've seen people steal from the dying, I'd then like to engage you in a conversation on "anti development leftist rant".
There's a big difference between a society that's outright capitalistic and one that's a social democracy. I'd much rather live in a society that's more equal. More altruistic. So what if it doesn't grow as fast as China? So long as my country doesn't repress it's people, I'm fine.
As for the bleeding heart NRI types who's so concerned about India, I got only one thing to say. Get a life! And no, I don't regret using foul language in my earlier post.
Ayrton Senna
Mumbai, India
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
18
There is a reason for people being disgusted with Arundhati Roy. She has constantly used the platform provided by Outlook for her anti-development leftist rants and Outlook has played her nuisance value to the hilt. The only casualty in this cozy relationship has been journalistic integrity.

As for NRIs bitchin' on this forum, probably that is because most of us still care for our country and feel attached to it and cannot see it getting back to the pre 1991 rule of Leftist-Socialist crackpots. And since people like Vinod Mehta who are supposed to know better would not stop sucking up to Congress, readers of this magazine express their problem on these forums.

PS: You have just won an award for using the most number of curses in the least number of words in any posting ever on Outlook forums - keep up the good work maybe it will help India to develop.
Vikas Chowdhry
Madison, USA
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
17
One thing fails me. Why is it that every friggin' letter on these pages berate Arundathi Roy? This story isn't about her. It's about people who're losing their homes and their lives. Don't any of these NRI types get it? Bunch of fuckin' idiots who can do nothing but bitch all the time about India and anybody who does well in India. Get a life losers. If you can't do anything about these people, the least you can do is shut the fuck up.
Ayrton Senna
Mumbai, India
Jul 23, 2004 12:00 AM
16
Dear Ms Roy,

I believe you have simply wasted so many column inches. I am still unmoved. I would never be able to make myself believe that you really give a damn to all the people who are being displaced because of the dam. I just dont understand what do you plan to achieve by spitting out the venom against all and sundry.

How much more mileage do you plan to gain from this ranting. May be you dont realize that such rambling doesnt qualify you as an intellectual. Your motives are quite apparent. Its hard to distinguish between you and a political speaker. They yearn for power and you yearn for some cheap publicity. And you quite often get it. Had it not been for the media which gives you so much importance (same folks whom you often claim to detest) you would have been just another insignificant socialist who had had her two minutes of fame.

An advice - Please dont compare India with other societies where "powerful are accountable". Simply because all such societies I could think of are more capitalist than India. And as per your ideology you are very much against such rich and evil societies.

I am really keen to know if there is any aspect of Indian governance that you can bring yourself to appreciate. Legislature, Executive and Judiciary have already been discounted. Not much left I guess, huh.

PS. Please excuse me if you feel that its a personal attack on Ms. Roy and not relevant to this article. Indeed, it is.

Regards.
Rajarshi
Phoenix, US
Jul 22, 2004 12:00 AM
15
Ms. Roy doesn't have any understanding of the development projects! Vow! Nor do I. But if throwing me out to nowhere is this development that you are talking about, man, who wants to understand it? The evacuation business is alright as long as it is stopped at the neighbor's, right?

I thought Ms. Roy has presented a compelling case of inflicted tragedy and misery. But Mr. Bagai of Danmark would read only one page. Others who read it won't even spare a glance at the victims; they talk about development and other macro issues only. For some Roy's writing is poor. There's one who even justifies displacement. Of course, his logic is good. That the Americans and Canadians have done it. So he can be right only! It's unbelievable, in the face of a human tragedy of such magnitude, not one has a feel for the victims. Talk about the dams without talking about the damned? Guys, you're making me a commy!

Oh, these pseudo-Indian honchos overwhelm the Outlook pages with their bizarre theories and arrogance of western affluence. But they don't see these capitalist countries go out and grab when their theories fail. Oh, sorry, that itself is another capitalist theory. Remember a certain economist telling slavery makes good economic sense?
Radhakrishnan K.R.
Tiruvalla, India
Jul 21, 2004 12:00 AM
14
Ramachandra Guha wanted to insult Arun Shourie, so he called Arundhati Roy the "Shourie of the Left". This is a gross mischaracterization. Strictly speaking, Ms Roy is the George Bush of the Left. In her worldview, the world is neatly divided into two parts: the good and the evil. She and the editors who publish her are, naturally, on the good side, battling devils like the World Bank, IMF, ABN Amro, Big Media (not Outlook) etc which are on the evil side. (An exception is made to bank(s) where the millions her only book fetched her are parked). If you are not with her, you are with the devils. Generally, anybody rich is evil, though she is not, because she is writing about the underprivileged of the world in Outlook, Frontline, The Guardian, The Hindu etc, all small media, which the underprivileged read and feel comforted.

Outlook is definitely on the Good side. Most of the products advertised in its glossy pages are far outside the reaches of the people she pines for, but so what? They take a stand on issues, which is definitely in favour of the underprivileged. Taking a pro-poor stand on issues is most important, even you're rich, especially if you're filthy rich. Outlook's owners may build and sell the kind of apartments where only Roy or the senior-most executives of World Bank may afford to live, but so what? They're publishing her and hence they are not big, evil media.

One of these days she's going to use her good offices with Vinod Mehta to try and get his bosses to build for the dam oustees palatial homes in New Harsud, replete with Italian marble flooring. She will move in there too, to live with the underprivileged who value their Old Harsud homes at less than 25K. So will Vinod Mehta and Sitaram Yechuri. As the underprivileged from all over India make a beeline for the town, all roads will then lead to New Harsud.


Pradyumna
bangalore, india
Jul 21, 2004 12:00 AM
13
Roy could use her efforts for helping her country in various other ways, then always being
a spoil sport.

She is a writer, and a passionate busy body.
Her understanding of development projects is
smaller then a dehydrated peanut. Her
shrieking and screaming , are just a bore.

However to be honest I read only the first page.
That was enough.
lalit bagai
kalundborg, danmark
Jul 20, 2004 12:00 AM
12
A Roy and hubby Pradip Kishen built a cosy little bungalow overlooking green hills and rolling meadows in Pachmarhi. (Ah, these poor defenders of proles. Banished to the forest, like Ram was.) It turns out that they built their abode on top of protected forest land, in violation of environmental laws. Quoting from a news report:

"They illegally built houses in a restricted and eco-sensitive area. Pachmarhi district is a protected sanctuary for many endangered species of wildlife. It also encompasses a sanctuary and a National Park and is listed as an eco-sensitive zone", the official sources claimed. "No one is allowed to construct new structures in the area. But Ms. Roy and her husband who apparently think they are above all laws have committed flagrant violations of the law, by constructing houses not only for themselves but also for their high society buddies from Delhi right in the heart of the wildlife sanctuary!" they said.

http://jang.com.pk/thenews/may2003-dai ly/15-05-2003/world/w4.htm

If "Kallu Driver" had known of this fact, I wonder what he -- what with his disregard for objectionable references to women's bodies -- would have called Roy and hubby. Any guesses, anyone?
Raghu Reddy
Bangalore, India
Jul 20, 2004 12:00 AM
11
Madam Champa,

Thank you for your constructive criticism.
I sincerely applaud you for your concern and your sincere milk of human kindness for the so called displaced but fairly compensated people of this doomed village.
Let me assure you that nobody from this village was bulldozed and allowed to drown with the village. As required by our expropriation law, each and every person was taken care of by the government. If you don’t believe me then read all about it in numerous websites.
For your information, even in Canada and also in USA, the government can and do expropriate the citizens’ prosperities and land, when required to build major highways, railways, hydro-electric dams, hospitals, libraries, stadiums, schools, etc. In some cases they have also moved whole towns and villages lock, stock, and barrel for the benefit of the majority of the people. Madam Champa, do you know that over fifty million people are displaced by the Chinese government to construct one massive mega dam to plan for the future and for the overall benefit of the majority of over one billion Chinese?
India has a serious shortage of water and electricity. We need these two very important life and industrial sustaining commodities to improve the living standard of the majority of the people, including the people displaced by the construction of the Narmada dam.
It is rather galling and sad to see some of our over wise, short sighted, and not very bright people like Ms. Roy, Ms. Patkar; our secular (?) Outlook; our opportunist politicians, our land speculators; our lawyers; our self appointed intellectuals; our self appointed champions of the poor and down trodden suddenly popping out of the wood works, oozing with the milk of human kindness but with exploitation and ulterior motives in mind. Instead of reasoning, these uncouth people exploit the people’s emotions. Instead of educating our people with the positive long-term benefit of harnessing the precious water resources, they preach fear and discontent. These uncouth politicians, their sycophants, and full time toadied like Outlook always misinform, publish innuendos, lies in their teeth, and generally play on the people’s fear are too happy to see the precious water and rich silt from Narmada river emptying in the Indian Ocean, rather than see people provided with life sustain water.
All these heart rendering laments and the crocodile tears are shed only for the political or financial gains. Ms. Roy writes only to boost her bank account and inflated and misguided ego, and Mr. Mehta’s Outlook publishes innuendos to please and to benefit his Congress masters. These uncouth, selfish, and shallow people are least interested in the long-term positive welfare of the poor or overall serious water shortages in India or suicide of the water starved farmers or the shortages of electricity. To them more chaos, more tragedies, more cynicism, more shortages, more discontent, more poverty, more lies, and more innuendos, means ‘more votes’ for their mediocre, incompetent, half illiterate, opportunist, corrupt, and criminal Congress politicians.
Meanwhile, the pretentious secular saviors of the poor and downtrodden expect our people and our new generation to drink sweet life sustaining nectar and electrifying (electricity) words of wisdom from Ms. Roy’s fiction!
Raj
Toronto, Canada
Jul 20, 2004 12:00 AM
10
Medha Patkar has been in the business for the past 20 years. Arundhati Roy is only a recent entrant. Why is it that we hear more from Roy rather than Medha on the Sardar Sarovar Project?
Vishwanath Rao
Bangalore, India
Jul 20, 2004 12:00 AM
9
Syed-ji,

Welcome to the comments section. This section could really use some erudition.
Dharmayudh Singh
Philadelphia, USA
Jul 20, 2004 12:00 AM
8
I hope you wont take your words back. I forgot to tell you one thing. People who are using more electricity like you and their family should be included in that 49% not in the 51% i.e majority. In that way we can save much more electricity.

And as a great Indian, who is much interested in its improvement, you should come to India and name your family members for that.
Syed
Chennai, India
Jul 20, 2004 12:00 AM
7
Ah! What a great though Raj! "I strongly recommend that if the dam is going to benefit the majority of people then go ahead and sink the village." You were saying sitting in Toronto in a secular country that knows nothing about hunger or poverty. Yes we can accept your point. Why should we need electricity and water. We can simply behead some crores of people in India there by we will reduce the water and electricity consumption. We can kill upto 49% of people like that because 51% is majority. Its a simple way rather investing money in building dams. There by remaining majority, will be benefiting.

And in course of time for future 'improvement' If UN sanctions and the whole world accepts that they are going to use India as Nuclear base for some (power production) reasons, as Raj said, we should allow them to displace Indians or destroy India so that it will benefit the whole world's majority!!!!...
Fine thinking!! where you did your schooling Raj?
Syed
Chennai, India
Jul 20, 2004 12:00 AM
6
I need to confess. I hold strong prejudices against Ms. Roy and people of her ilk. Over a period of time, they have consistently fought the wrong battles while trying to portray multinationals and capitalism as total evil with no redeeming qualities. They have constantly tilted at the windmills and Mr. Mehta and Outlook have played a very comical Sancho Panza in this fight. They have cried wolf so many times that now, when my mind says that this one time she is probably talking sense it is hard to either empathize or agree with her point of view.

But at the very least one has to grant Ms. Roy this much. She could have easily confined herself to the socialite circles of Delhi or Bombay, could have easily become a permanent fixture on talk circuits of the world earning millions, heck could have written more books like “The God of Small Things” but she chose to be a rabble rouser and if history has taught us anything it is this. Capitalism is good, but it needs its rabble rousers, its gadflies, its union leaders, its whistle blowers, its Arundhati Roys because if unchecked, corporations can become as evil as Enrons, Union Carbides or even East India companies of the world.

PS: This article has attracted only 5 comments during the past 4 days it has been online. If this would have been an article on religion it would have attracted atleast a couple of dozen comments by now. I am not sure if that is due to the fact that it is a human interest story or if it is because in the eyes of most readers (including mine) Arundhati Roy has no credibility left whatsoever.
Vikas Chowdhry
Madison, USA
Jul 19, 2004 12:00 AM
5
I wonder if Raj-from-Toronto or whomsoever-it-is, who sit in the warmth of their cozy homes lacking sympathy/empathy towards the plight of these unfortunates and taking potshots @ Roy, would say the same thing had it been them or one of theirs' being displaced...hmmm?


champa
middletown, usa
Jul 19, 2004 12:00 AM
4
I wonder if Raj-from-Toronto or whomsoever-it-is, who sit in the warmth of their cozy homes lacking sympathy/empathy towards the plight of these unfortunates and taking potshots @ Roy, would say the same thing had it been them or one of theirs' being displaced...hmmm?


champa
middletown, usa
Jul 19, 2004 12:00 AM
3
Ahhh ... The Prima Donna of Vultures cometh ...

Gee ... 10 pages where 1 would have sufficed ... I wonder how many extra trees had to be cut for those extra 9 pages ...

If what Roy writes is not fiction, the Government state or central doesn't matter must rehabilitate these people ...

Well Ms Roy need not worry ... the Congress party is in power and everything shall be fine ...

BTW Outlook, its good to know that there is someone out there reading our comments
Dharmayudh Singh
Philadelphia, USA
Jul 19, 2004 12:00 AM
2
I agree with Ms Roy that people who are displaced should be taken care of. But I do not agree with her derogatory, depressing, misplaced, misleading, harmful and antisocial comments about progress ... progress that is taking place in India in the form of dams.
Anant Vijay Joshi
Rahway, USA
Jul 18, 2004 12:00 AM
1
What a great sob story.
Ms. Roy laments, shed crocodile tears, and fills in pages after pages of data that is of little or no value to the water and power starved people of India.
Ms. Roy, for heaven’s, sake please grow up and stop playing childish game to boost your inflated ego. The people with your screwed up belief and attitude are the ones, who are forcing farmers to commit suicide. How can you provide water to the water straved farmers if you prevent the construction of the required dams?
I strongly recommend that if the dam is going to benefit the majority of people then go ahead and sink the village. Damn the opportunist politics, political advantage, the self-righteous garbage, and inflated egos.
Please do not shed crocodile tears for the villagers. They are being fairly compensated. The new houses and satellite towns are being constructed for the people and the new land is being allocated to the farmers, whose villages and farms are being flooded by the dam.
I wonder why these pretentious people like Ms. Roy are so concerned about the dam, which has already ‘eased’ the water and power shortages in the water and power starved states.
I wonder if these pretentious people like Ms. Roy have some ulterior motive to stop the progress of the country. What interest do they have in preventing this project to succeed?
I wonder if the Madam Roy owns some big chunk of prime land along the bank of Narmada River. If the likes of Ms. Roy genuinely feel sorry for the people, then it is about time they started donating their numerous properties to the people, who find their land is under water.
The Dam is already built and there is nothing you can do about it but scream like a spoilt rich brat.
Mr. Mehta, how about some investigating journalisms? It will be very much appreciated by the people of India. Please do find out how much land the unholy savior of the ‘Narmada Bachavo’ gang owns along the bank of Narmada River.
Raj
Toronto, Canada
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