Sandeep Adhwaryu
opinion
A Billion Gandhis
Down the ages, a natural tolerance—tinged with faith—has been our subsoil. Why do my friends foist a dry import like secularism upon this rootedness?
Secularism is not communal amity; it is only one way of achieving such amity. As an ideology, it is not even 300 years old. Yet, despite the consistent failure of secularism to contain the growth of both Hindu nationalism and Islamic, Jewish and Christian fundamentalism in recent years—both in India and elsewhere in the world—only a few seem to have the courage to look beyond it.

In a recent column in this magazine (Abhor Singularity, May 31), my friend Kuldip Nayar has lamented my rejection of secularism and loss of faith in the plural traditions of South Asia.

 
 
To go to our villages to teach tolerance through secularism seems to me a form of obscene arrogance. If Ashoka, Akbar, Kabir, Gandhi could do without the concept of secularism, so can the people of South Asia.
 
 
Nayar, whom I have given company in many battles—including some he would call secular—has got me entirely wrong. Actually, my criticism of secularism is an aggressive reaffirmation of these proto-Gandhian traditions and a search for post-secular forms of politics more in touch with the needs of a democratic polity in South Asia.

The concept of secularism emerged in a Europe torn by inter-religious strife, warfare and pogroms, when the resources for tolerance within traditions were depleted and looked exhausted. This has not happened in India, not even probably in most of South Asia. In India, a huge majority of riots—indeed nearly all of them—take place in the cities. Even the few that take place in villages begin almost always in the cities. Perhaps then it's no surprise that in the last 50 years, less than 4 per cent of all riot victims in India have died in villages—where nearly 75 per cent of Indians stay; more than 96 per cent have died in cities, where 25 per cent of Indians stay. To go to an Indian village to teach tolerance through secularism is a form of obscene arrogance to which I do not want to be a party.

These ideas of tolerance in ordinary people and everyday life are tinged with popular religious beliefs, however superstitious, irrational and primitive they may seem to progressive, secular Indians. Modern India, till today, has not produced a single hero of secularism except for that fading star, Jawaharlal Nehru. If Ashoka, Akbar, Kabir and Gandhi, whose names the secularists routinely mouth, could do without the concept of secularism, so can the people of South Asia. They do not need leaders, vanguards, preachy academics or journalists vending fancy theories to educate them in the niceties of tolerance and respect for other faiths. The time has come for us to decipher the language and culture of those humble Indians who live by their 'inferior' beliefs and have made our society livable.

In a democracy, people will bring their values into politics, whether we like it or not. Instead of imposing on them an idea that makes no sense to the non-English-speaking majority—even the term dharmanirapekshata is a translatese that literally means amorality—why can't we learn from and build upon indigenous concepts that have worked in real life over the centuries? If secularism only means the traditional tolerance of South Asia, why do we need an imported idea to talk about that local tolerance? And why import an idea from countries that have such shoddy records of religious, racial, cultural and ethnic tolerance? Why not, for instance, borrow the concept of convivencia from Medieval Islamic Spain, arguably the only truly plural polity Europe has produced in the last one thousand years?

However, I also know that it is pointless to raise these questions. Some things are just not possible in the dominant, colonial culture of India's knowledge industry and among our official dissenters. Otherwise, at least the Indian Left would have picked up a thing or two from the aggressively non-secular, liberation-theology-based ideology of the Sandinistas. Instead of obsequiously aping, in the name of secularism, the Leninist crudities of a cut-throat regime that killed 6. 2 crore of its own citizens during its so-called revolutionary rule to become the exemplar of India's brain-dead, pre-war, colonial Left.

I am a child of modern India and a non-believer myself. It has taken me many years to turn a traitor to my class—the urban, western-educated, modern Indians—and to learn to respect the people who have sustained Indian democracy using their tacit theories and principles of communal amity. That has not turned me into a believer but forced me to rediscover, study and reaffirm these theories and principles in my work during the last 20 years. In this effort, I have been guided by Gandhi's maxim that those who think that religion has nothing to do with politics understand neither religion nor politics. I leave it to the next generation of South Asians living in South Asia to judge if it has been all a waste of time.

 
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Dec 30, 2004 12:00 AM
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Nandy is part of an intellectual elite that spends time splitting hairs. To me, his article is just prattle that has no basis in reality. There is not one iota of practicality in what he says. What are these post-secular forms of politics? Tell me something that I can understand, something practical. ‘Secularism’…separating the State from religion, I understand. The ideology of Hindutva, where Hinduism is the state religion, I understand. But what form of alternative polity derived from indigenous concepts is Mr. Nandy proposing? How does he want to alter the Constitution to accommodate this alternative?

I also don’t understand the xenophobia. Why is borrowing the concept of secularism from the West so bad, when borrowing the concept of democracy isn’t?

Nandy recommends following the Sandinistas non-secular ideology. Well, they pursued it in a 100% Christian state. Slightly different from the reality that is India, don’t you think? And as for the crack about the Leninist crudites – Nandy is seriously underestimating the secularism engendered in our Constitution. The Soviet Union banned religion. The Indian Constitution ensures that you can practice yours in peace.

Nandy tries so hard to be on the side of the ‘humble Indians who live by their ‘inferior’ beliefs’. When all he succeeds in doing is being patronizing. As a non-believer himself, what is he to know about these beliefs? And he is doing these humble Indians a great disservice by thinking anyone could drive an alien idea down their throats. These people know what they want, they know their values and it is my sincere belief that it is these people who will succeed in making India secular. Because they, unlike the Nandys of the world, as true believers in their faith, know what secularism is.
Parvathy Nair
Mumbai, India
Jun 18, 2004 12:00 AM
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For the west, secularism is separation of religion from social-political space.
No prayers before social functions, etc. In India, secularism is sa-kula-taa, carrying all cultures together, i.e., prayers from all religions in social functions or solemn occasions. Clearly, this is because of the hindu base of Indian tradition, for which religion means hril-lajjaa, heart-felt modesty towards The Higher Power, Almighty, call it by many names and see it in many forms. The poem quoted by Swami Vivekananda in Chicago : sarva-deva-namaskaarah kesavam prati-gatcati: obeisance to any god-head in modesty reaches the only substantive Reality in the cosmos of apparentality [ kesam vahati iti kesavah].
The lord says in the Geeta: yo yo yaam yaam tanum bhaktyaa sraddhayaa arcitum icchati, tasya tasya acalaam sraddhaam tatra-eva vidadhaamy-aham :
Wherever there is worship with faith, I sustain and strengthen it there with positive responses.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jun 18, 2004 12:00 AM
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Mr. Murali Manohar Joshi and his associates opposing the Marxist remake of history books for children, should, instead of opposing it institutionally, expose it by way of information to the country’s parents on the anti-national mal-contents included in the texts by vested interests, in the form of advertisements by appropriate forums in newspapers. For example, the Akali Dal can advertise saying Guru Tej Bhahadur Singh was not a dacoit, as mentioned in the book. . The Jains’ Forum can say that Vardhamana Mahaavira was the 24th pratyankara. The Buddhist forum can say there were many bodhisattvas before Gautama. The VHP can say that Aryans are the original inhabitants of aaryavarta-sapta-sindhu, that is bharata or India today and that the word draavida actually refers to the dravana-vedis or rishis like Agastya in dandakaaranya or Adi Sankara himself, and not some opponents to aaryans as mischievously interpreted by conversionist Christian missionaries. Such an approach will enlighten the parents of children to guard against cultural misinformation being given to their children. They will take up the matter legally with the authors concerned and the students will go after true history ignoring the official texts. This will also eventually reduce the craze among hindu parents for admitting their children into colleges such as St. Stephens where they develop a patronizing disloyalty to the country and its ancient culture and civilization.
v.seshadri
chennai, india
Jun 16, 2004 12:00 AM
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Good job Mr. Nandy. Kudos to you for speaking the truth. We Indians are pluralistic. We need not be Secular. Secularism is a limited concept that gives a distinct European twist to Indian body polity. Secularism is essentially a western paradigm created to put an end to the brutal tyranny of religious persecution in Europe. Secularism besides separating the state and the church also confines religion to the personal fiefdom of individuals. In recent times, Secularism at least in some quarters as had happened recently in France, been carried to the extreme, and therefore has acquired a negativistic connotation. Secularism as a concept may be valid in the west where huge lives were lost on account of religious wars in the early part of the last millennium. India, on the other hand is essentially a religious country, being home to four of the eight major religions of the world. Religion, in India is a positive concept and is seen by both the intelligentsia and the masses as a life fulfilling force. Every shade of truth is given a place and is accepted by one and all. Diversity and tolerance therefore are pillars of Indian democracy. Secularism with its negativistic connotation has no place in the Indian body polity. The Hindu version of democracy transcends this concept of secularism by openly treating all religions as equally acceptable to the society. All religions are treated with equal respect and extra care is taken not to hurt the sensibilities of minorities. Aberrations do happen here and there. But the masses, as Mr.Nandy says are naturally tolerant.

As for Mr.Nayar's version of Secularism, the less said the better. Nayar in his article argues that Religion and tradition are two different things and he further goes on to say that the masses are tolerant by tradition and not because of their religions. Oh! What a pity Mr. Nayar that you seem to deliberately ignore India's religious background in your essay.Lets turn on to some of the commonly accepted wisdoms prevalent in India.
Almost all of the Indian dances simply enact the major religious themes of the country. Even the Indian musical systems regularly echo the religious mood of the savants and the connoisseurs. Our philosophies reflect a yearning for the final truth, albeit in a religious way. Our guests are repeatedly treated as “Adithi Devo Bhava”-meaning-“Guests are nothing but Gods”. We salute one another using the word –“Namaste”-meaning “I salute the divine in you”. We celebrate “Vishwakarma Puja/Ayutha Puja” which goes to show that we involve God even in our day to day work. Our ethos speaks of “Durga as the lord representing Bravery, Saraswathi representing the Knowledge world , and Lakshmi personifying Wealth”. And finally our “Ekam Sat Vipra Bahuda Vadanti” , representing the very culmination of Human thought in an absolutely religious way. And yet the likes of Nayar would settle down for Negativistic, out-moded concepts such a “Secularism” which have no relevance to the Indian setting.I for one, would even celebrate the replacement of “Secularism” by “Pluralism” or “Sarva Dharma Sambhava”, which is far more positive and culturally sensitive. Oh! What a pity, our intellectuals live in a Fools Paradise that has no relevance to our ethos! Oh! Mother India, what a pity!
KALYAN KUMAR
Kingston, Canada
Jun 16, 2004 12:00 AM
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Nayar has not got Nandy wrong - miscontruing is not the same as misunderstanding. People of the ilk of Nayar cannot afford to accept faultlines in positions they have adhered to all their lives. Hence the pretension to misunderstand.
A. Sengupta
Kolkata, India
Jun 16, 2004 12:00 AM
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Finally, we have people like Farrukh Dhondy and Ashis Nandy speaking out for the forces of Truth. More then ninety percent of the columnists/reporters of the English language media don't know that secularism is a concept which has its origins in Christian Europe and has no meaning in the Indian context.
Vishwanath Rao
Bangalore, India
Jun 15, 2004 12:00 AM
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Nandy's otherwise excellent critique of Indian secularism is spoiled by his insistence on conforming to his own personal political correctness of sorts: he keeps claiming that tolerance is instrinsic to all people of "South Asia". If so, what explains the fact that the Hindu population in Pakistan has been reduced from 8% post-partition to less than .5% today, and that in Bangladesh from 25% to less than 10%? Does that place these countries on par in the tolerance scale with others in "South Asia", such as India, where percentage of religious minorities has actually grown while that of the majority has declined?

This flaw in his logic notwithstanding, Nandy deserves praise for daring to challenge Political India's holiest of holy notions, "secularism". He wouldn't use these exact words, but he seems to have grapsed that in India, secualrism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

If antagonizing the PC brigade by rubbishing actually-existing 'secularism' is bold enough, Nandy goes a step further and does the unthinkable. He actually calls the Marxists' bluff thus: Instead of obsequiously aping, in the name of secularism, the Leninist crudities of a cut-throat regime that killed 6.2 crore of its own citizens during its so-called revolutionary rule to become the exemplar of India’s brain-dead, pre-war, colonial Left. Amen to that.

Raghu Reddy
Bangalore, India
Jun 15, 2004 12:00 AM
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As far as I understand secularism seems a much misunderstood concept.

In reality it means a separation of state from religion.

This is the set up in France, United States and India. There is no official religion. On elaw appliparate laws to all.-

India started with this concept, However there
are exceptions. Thre are different laws for Hindu's and Muslims. In various cases one has to state ones religion, eg pasports, application forms. This should not happen in India, and there should be one law for all.

Religious tolerance is a different kettle of fish. A country like England with a state religion can be very tolerant, and a secular state like France theoretically the reverse.
This depends on the culture and tolerance level
of the people.
lalit bagai
kalundborg, danmark
Jun 15, 2004 12:00 AM
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You call it tometo, I call it tomato
Mr. Nandy's sentiments around the "idea" of tolerance or secularism seems more like a semantic difference and hair splitting.

And even if the idea of cultural tolerance goes back a long way in time, cultural memory certainly does not. What happened a 5000 years ago does not impact my contemporary memory nor does it assist me in any way. I/we need to find any method, idea, solution that helps me understand or deal with my world! And there probably is no one solution but the goal remains the same.

whatever works and rids us of the modi's and genocides of this world--from sudan to turn of the century in armenia, the holocaust, rwanda or gujarat and many more that remain unmentioned
Ramu Dhara
zorro
nyc, usa
Jun 15, 2004 12:00 AM
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Every truth is like a coin, it has two sides. Going by this notion, many things mentioned by the author are true of the Indian society, which is predominantly Hindu.

But we should not forget about some historical facts, like Hindu India, devided in casts never fought 'people's wars' against invadors. We never had our Jones of Arch or William Tells (please don't point at Marathas or Sikhs), until we embraced secularism as national policy after independence. I am proud of my country's armed forces in which a Brahmin rubs his shoulder with Kshatriya, Vaishya, Kshudra and 'mlecha' as sons of the soil to defend our common motherland. This one of the biggest achievements of the 'fading star' Pt. Jawaharlal Nehru's secularism. At the same time modern Indian martial traditions are continuation of our ancient vedic martial arts.
May be some advocates of Hindutva don't know that begining from Nehru-Gandhi secular era an Indian naval ship is launched with the prayer of Aditi, mother of Sea God Varuna.

In Europe secularism was forced on the society, while in India it flourishes on the fertile soil of Hinduism, which strictly speaking, does not need a 'broker' between and individual and the God, like many conventional faiths.

I am proud of my millions and millions of illitarate, downtrodden countrymen, who have much more commonsense than many urban educated.
Vinay Shukla
Moscow, Russia
Jun 15, 2004 12:00 AM
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A laudable article and refreshing view on secularism.

To those of you who think that secularism is your right to religious freedom are getting it wrong. Its about respecting others right to religious freedom and living with it. This concept has been in Indian culture since ages and it is quite safe to say that probably word secularism was not invented!
To those of you who say that our consitution wants secular India, there is a lot of difference between secularism as our politicians rant about and go about practising it the secularism which our constitution intends to achieve. All our constitution means is that state will not propogate one religion or other.
Hitansh
Bangalore, India
Jun 15, 2004 12:00 AM
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As per Nandi, the concept of secularism is 300 years old. Does he understand the meaning of secularism? The concept of FREEDOM TO CHOOSE one's belief is as old as life on earth. It's a natural law. Nandi needs to get an education before he starts writing on the subject. Religious faticism will spill blood. Does he want that? Take away my freedom and you'd get a bloody nose. Right to self preservation is a right nature has given us. Let us learn to live together.
Raj
Chicago, USA
Jun 15, 2004 12:00 AM
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To argue completely for or against secularism (as it is usually defined) is to miss the truth that, as usual, falls in between. While villages may not have seen as many religious riots as the cities, caste and community feelings are quite robust in the villages. Imposing a sterile secularism will obviously not work. But it should not mean encouraging or subscribing to the blindness of religious, caste and community feelings. Any change has to happen from within the confines of reality.
MK
Bangalore, India
Jun 15, 2004 12:00 AM
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Any religion or philosophy which limits the TRUTH and puts IT in a straight jacket is a sham. It does not know what it is talking about.
Vijay
Abu Dhabi, UAE
Jun 15, 2004 12:00 AM
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I would also like to highlight one more aspect of this article: "the growth of both Hindu nationalism and Islamic, Jewish and Christian fundamentalism in recent years".

Yes, there are differences between Hindu nationalism, and "fundamentalism" of Muslims, Christians alike. For details, one might like to read, "Creating a nationality" by Ashis Nandy, Achyut Yagnik etc. Briefly, Hindu Nationalism not only accepted modern Science and Science, and their Baconian Social Phylosophy, it developed a total uncritical attitude towards any western knowledge system that seemed to contribute to the development and sustenance of State Power. In Hindutwa, there cannot be any acceptance of any traditional technology or skill that diminishes or subverts the power of the state.
Anima Sarkar
Kolkata, India
Jun 15, 2004 12:00 AM
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Its wonderful to see a Learned scholar like Ashis Nandy's column in Outlook. He has the original thinking on this issue, and people be better prepared to answer those. For example:

What's the relation between State & Culture? If we look "State" from Culture's point of view: Will State ever be able to dictate terms to the culture? Even when the State is used as a critique of the culture, and culture is sought to be transformed, the final justification for criticism and transformation would have to come from Culture, the people and in the moral framework used by people. And NOT from the State.

This is the dilema India has today. That's the mistake our Westernised, urban population made. Its not Gandhi's path. neither Rabindranath tagore's Path.

Why Did Rabindranath had to establish "Viswa Bharati"? Why in the middle of Viswa Bharati, Tagore established the Glass room for meditation?

And lastly for those Christian Friends !! Did you read the sentence : "who live by their ‘inferior’ beliefs "? Its hightime that Christians stop making, Their "God" is the Only chosen one ! Its worst form of racism.
Anima Sarkar
Kolkata, India
Jun 15, 2004 12:00 AM
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Ban all religions; what a waste of time and effort. Learn to live as just Humans. I know thats a novel concept for most people.
Ajith
Bangalore, India
Jun 15, 2004 12:00 AM
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"Christian and Islamic fundamentalism practiced in the North-East and Kashmir respectively at the peril of Hindus"...what nonsense...christians have been repeatedly targeted in north east by indain army and their woman raped,have you ever been to one state? who is your source of information?? VHP? if you are so fundamentalist ...what are you doing in US? you are like a virus, a scum, living off the bread of americans and spreading hatred aginst the same christians you live within in your own country.
"As exemplified by the shelter offered to the 2,000 year old Jewish and Christian communities"...1) most of the indian christians and muslims are indegenous people who converted, it's not that people from outside were given shelter.....and add to this list...in modern ages, shelter of america to indian hindus, who wanna escape the poverty and their own bretheren..
highly irritating.
nits
nashville, US
Jun 15, 2004 12:00 AM
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My feeling is that Mr. Nanady does not understand secularism.He is still living in the past.We lived in peace before freedom movment and thus created enough hatered .Now we havrath yatras and mandir-masjid policy.If you dont like secularism what wud you like.You have never lived in a village so what will you know the conditions.Indian constituion calls India as a secular nation and that we must become.
Shadi Katyal
Marietta. Ga.., USA
Jun 13, 2004 12:00 AM
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The question not explicitly stated in Ashis Nandy's article is: What exactly is "secularism" in the Indian context? That which has been civilizationally practiced in India for thousands of years (As exemplified by the shelter offered to the 2,000 year old Jewish and Christian communities, later the Zoroastrians, Jews and now the Tibetan Buddhist comminity) or the definition of "secular" as per the Congress-Leftist Axis of Evil which aggressively defends the kind of Christian and Islamic fundamentalism practiced in the North-East and Kashmir respectively at the peril of Hindus. It is time Hindus in particular reclaim their version of religious acceptance and thwart the Congress-Leftist Axis of Evil in their continued Hijacking of our culture.
Adi
Boston, USA
Jun 13, 2004 12:00 AM
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OOOOO! Nayar, Please, DIE. What the hell do you wanna do that VIVEKANANDA did'nt do. Have you done,. SHIT., even tried to do something that would help your fellow INDIANS spirits rather than trying to lift up the spirits of the PAKIS.
And what were you thinking all your life.That you will be remembered as a great 'shitting' humanitarian. No u wont. You r our benedict f'ng Arnold.(For 3/4 of a billion Indians).And even the PAKIS wont care a FLY's shit about your life. PLEASE DIE!
Chowdary Thammineedi
Oklahoma City, USA
Jun 13, 2004 12:00 AM
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It is one of the few articles in similar thoughts that I have seen. Full marks to ASHIS NANDY. Although such articles appear here and there they just disappear in the din of pseudo-secularists helped by the biased media. What the country needs is more and more voices of people like the author in order to overshadow the pseudo-secularists – in fish market, you have to shout louder in order to make you hear. The author can and should endeavour to bring up the issue for a nationwide debate rather than allowing the pseudo-secularists to continue maintaining the nation a fish market.
Vijay
Abu Dhabi, UAE
Jun 13, 2004 12:00 AM
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Great article. This simply has changed my views on secularism. Secularism is a concept and that concept is what has to be caught and not the means. We can device the means ourselves for our people. We dont want a group of secularist to tell us how to behave. Those arrogant bunch of so called intellectuals.

Abhishek
Abhishek Drolia
Raipur, India
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