Essay
The Absent Liberal
Liberals dominated the intellectual landscape in the 50s and 60s, but more recently they have become an endangered species -- squeezed out by the identity politics of the left, which holds that caste is and should be the fundamental axis of Indian society, and of the right, with political Islam the real if unacknowledged model for political Hinduism.

If a modern Diogenes were to hunt out for Indians with his lantern in these days, he would be sure to come across fervid Hindus, bigoted Muslims and fanatical souls deeply engrossed with the problem of tirelessly finding out how unjustly their own particular community was being treated, and he would have to ask in sorrrow: "Where are the Indians".

– Syed Abdullah Brelvi [1]

Not to give way at a critical point to the temptation of exaggeration – some dramatically extremist doctrine which rivets the eyes of one's own countrymen and the world, and brings followers and undying fame and a sense of glory and personal fulfilment – not to yield to this, but to seek to find the truth in the face of scorn and threats from both sides – left and right, Westernisers and traditionalists – that seems to me to be the rarest form of heroism.

– Isaiah Berlin, writing about Rabindranath Tagore [2]

I

A Missing Portrait

The campus of the University of Pune used to be the summer home of the governor of Bombay. Expansive and green, dotted with lovely old ficus trees, the property's centre-piece is a grand double-storeyed stone building. This was once the governor's residence and is now the university's Senate Hall. The signs of decolonisation are everywhere. In the wood-panelled conference room, the portraits of governors and viceroys have been covered over with red curtains. The only paintings now exposed look out over the main stairway. These are new – or relatively new – and number four in all. Their subjects are Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Vinayak Damodar Savarkar, Bhimrao Ambedkar and Jyotiba Phule.

One can understand these choices without necessarily endorsing them. For these men were all charismatic and influential, and all had strong Pune connections. They were writers of distinction in their native Marathi, but also public figures who imposed their stamp on the history of modern India. Each, in his own way, embodied the fusion of national relevance and regional pride that our universities seek to represent. There is, nonetheless a striking absence, of a man who was both politician and social reformer, both scholar and teacher, both Maharashtrian and Indian, and who lived and died in this city. Why does the Senate Hall of the University of Pune have no space for a portrait of Gopal Krishna Gokhale?

II

Life of the Mind in India: A Brief History

In 1930, well before the University of Pune was founded, a social science institute was established in the city. Its prime mover, D R Gadgil, had taken an M Litt from Cambridge, writing a thesis on the industrial evolution of India. (It was an outstanding thesis, which remained in print for 70-years after its first publication.) Unlike other Oxbridge graduates of his generation he had no desire to enter the Indian Civil Service. On his return he taught in a college in Surat, before persuading his father-in-law, R R Kale, to help finance a research institute. The Servants of India Society also provided support, in the shape of a slice of real estate under its control. As it happened, the home of the society's founder stood on this land. One suspects that it was not this alone which suggested to Gadgil that he name his new venture the Gokhale Institute of Politics and Economics.

D R Gadgil was an intellectual of rare ability and self-confidence. The range of his own research was impressive: at various times he did important work on planning, economic history, and the sociology of business communities. His instincts and orientation were 'interdisciplinary' before that term became known or fashionable. Likewise, he was a public intellectual before public intellectualism: he was one of the founders of the cooperative movement in Maharashtra. He was not lacking in courage, either. Once, he even took on Mahatma Gandhi. In 1946, Gadgil and A D Gorwala were the two members of an expert committee appointed by the government of Bombay to recommend measures to assure a fairer distribution of food in a time of scarcity. Gandhi thought the market would do the trick; Gadgil and Gorwala insisted that the situation called for state intervention. As the columnist D F Karaka wrote:

 

It would be difficult to find a truer picture of all that is best in the ancient Indian tradition than Gadgil. A slim, gaunt man, argumentative and aggressive on the right occasions, full of courage and with a wisdom grounded in deep knowledge of both theory and facts, Gadgil had devoted himself for many years to the building up of a true school of politics and economics, eschewing all profitable pursuit. On occasion after occasion he had turned down offers of employment by the government. He joined the board primarily because he felt the situation in the country was so critical that a right lead was essential and without the right lead it might become disastrous.[3]

One might cavil at the use of the term 'ancient' – if anything, Gadgil represented the best of the 'modern' Indian tradition – but otherwise this tribute was deeply felt and richly merited. When Gadgil founded the Gokhale Institute of Politics and Economics he was not yet 30. He was precocious and so was his institute. It was, to my knowledge, the first social science institute in India, combining pure with applied research. (Intriguingly, it placed 'politics' before 'economics', thus reversing the order preferred by, for instance, the London School of Economics, that other experiment in the marriage of knowledge with the public weal.) The singularity of Gadgil's achievement is still insufficiently recognised. Our histories of intellectuals somehow assume that all good or meaningful things first happened in Bengal. In this instance, however, what Pune thought of in 1930 Kolkata was to think of at least a year later. For it was only in the last weeks of 1931 that P C Mahalanobis founded the Indian Statistical Institute in that city.

Mahalanobis was also a Cambridge man of wide-ranging interests. A physicist by training, he shared Gadgil's appreciation of fields other than his own. It was said that he knew the works of Rabindranath Tagore better than the poet himself. To have a department of literature, alas, fell well outside the mandate of his new institute. Nonetheless, in time that mandate was stretched to successfully incorporate anthropology, economics, and biology, apart from statistics and mathematics.

In a recent column in EPW, offered ironically as an appreciation of D R Gadgil, AM has suggested that the main difference between Gadgil and Mahalanobis was that the Pune man was more 'feudal' in his orientation. He reaches this conclusion on the grounds that the Bengali scholar counted more Marxists among his friends and colleagues.[4] The facts suggest otherwise. Gadgil may have dominated his colleagues, intellectually, but Mahalanobis ran his own institute exactly like a personal fiefdom: among the chapter titles of Ashok Rudra's biography are 'The Big Banyan' and 'The Great Dictator'. It was this manifest authoritarianism that led to the departure from his institute of that remarkable British scientist who had taken Indian nationality, J B S Haldane.[5]

The more salient distinctions between Gadgil and Mahalanobis lie in the realm of politics rather than personality. Gadgil was a classical liberal, devoted to democracy and human rights. Like Gokhale he sought to bring about change incrementally. And while not discounting the role of the state, like Gokhale again he placed great emphasis on voluntary and collective civic action. Mahalanobis, on the other hand, was more enamoured of the transformative powers of the state. Hence, perhaps, his affinities to Marxism and his strong sympathies for Soviet-style planning. The one was content with identifying the social conditions for incremental change; the other was of the "conviction that qualitative problems could find quantitative resolution, that uncertainty in all walks of life could be reduced and mastered by the use of statistical models".[6]

To the Gokhale Institute in Pune and the ISI in Calcutta one must add at least three other initiatives begun in colonial times. There was the Bombay School of Economics and Sociology, with teachers like C N Vakil and G S Ghurye and students like M N Dantwala and M N Srinivas. There was the Deccan College in Pune, with its exciting programmes in anthropology and archaeology led by Irawati Karve and H D Sankhalia. And there was Lucknow University, which from the 1930s had a faculty of some calibre in the humanities: notably, the 'prabashi' trio of Radhakamal Mukerjee, D P Mukerji and D N Majumdar. Nor should one forget individuals, such as N K Bose in Calcutta, who rose above their institutions.[7]

After 1947 these older initiatives were joined by plenty of others. New universities sprung up all across India, each with its departments of economics, sociology, history, and the like. Particularly influential in this regard was the Delhi School of Economics, founded by V K R V Rao in 1948, with a department of sociology added 10-years later. Also to be noted are two Delhi-based initiatives that focused exclusively on research: the Institute of Economic Growth, set up by V K R V Rao in 1958, and the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, founded by Rajni Kothari, which began life in 1962.

Accompanying the birth and growth of these institutions was the birth and growth of independent-minded research journals in history and the social sciences. The ISI and the Gokhale Institute had published their own journals – Samkhya and Artha Vijnana, respectively – but by the 1960s these had been joined (and in some respects supplanted) by the new entrants on the block: Contributions to Indian Sociology, Sociological Bulletin, The Indian Economic and Social History Review, and Economic Weekly (renamed in 1966 as Economic and Political Weekly).

Much of the work published in these journals was of a high quality, and much of it was addressed to the urgent issues of the day: political development, economic growth, poverty alleviation, the career and course of nationalism, the future of caste. My concern here, however, is not principally with content but with form. Reading the back issues of these journals for the 1950s and the 1960s, one reaches the surprising conclusion that the world of Indian intellectuals was then surprisingly indifferent to radical thought. Extremisms of right and left were shunned. There were absolutely no saffron intellectuals, and not many who were flaming red either. Rather, it was the middle ground which was capacious and well colonised.

The Concise Oxford Dictionary offers three definitions of a liberal thinker: one who is "open minded, not prejudiced"; one who "favours individual liberty, free trade, and moderate political and social reform"; and one who regards "many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought or liable to change". Of these three criteria, perhaps two-and-two-thirds applied to the professors and scholars of newly independent India. The exception being the idea of free trade, which was rejected in favour of the then regnant 'swadeshi' or import-substituting model of economic development.

There are more things on earth than can be contained in the Concise-or indeed Complete-Oxford Dictionary, and to the above listing must be added at least three other founding features of Indian liberalism. First, while there was a critical attitude towards the past, there was also a, sometimes extreme, hopefulness about the future. Liberals were convinced that the idealism nurtured by the national movement would find constructive expression in free India, with scientists, civil servants, politicians and scholars working unitedly to eliminate poverty, disease, and illiteracy, thus allowing India and Indians to take their place with honour in the modern world.

Second, there was an implicit and somewhat unselfconscious patriotism. Intellectuals might go overseas to study or learn, but they would return to help in the task of 'nation building'. The liberal intellectuals of the 1950s were patriotic to a degree the contemporary post-nationalist might find embarrassing. However, the best among them took care not to appear partisan, that is, not to identify with any one social/religious group, political party, or politician.

Third, Indian liberals paid close attention to the promotion of institutions of civil society such as the law courts and universities, and to the fostering of impartial, rule-bound procedures within them.

True, one could recognise subtle differences of approach and emphasis. There were the liberals qua liberals – such as D R Gadgil – who were unwavering in their commitment to democracy and human rights, and who in the cold war would have tilted slightly towards the west. There were the fellow travelling liberals – such as P C Mahalanobis – who were enchanted by the Soviet Union – particularly by its economic model – and who thought that despite its faults it was more to be trusted than its North American adversary. And there were what I would call the 'traditionalist' liberals – such as the Bombay sociologist G S Ghurye – who thought that institutions such as family and community were not to be sacrificed in the march to modernity.

These three groups had, however, a shared idea of India. This included a commitment to democracy – that is, a multi-party system, regular elections, a free press, and an independent judiciary – to the creation of a more just and equitable society, if by incremental means, and to inter-religious harmony, this guaranteed by state neutrality in affairs of faith. Whether left, right, or traditionalist, the overwhelming majority of Indian intellectuals were, as I have defined the term here, 'liberal'.

It is important to recognise that Indian liberalism was a sensibility rather than a theory, a product of empirical engagement rather than an elaboration of principles laid down in canonical texts. Burke, Mill, Tocqueville, or Smith; the thinkers to whom western scholars turn for definitions or understandings of liberalism were largely unknown in India or at least largely unread. Rather, liberalism was a response to experience, an intellectual practice that flowed from the peculiarities of independent India, a sensibility that seemed in tune with the heterogeneity of its cultures and the commitment to democracy of its ruling class.

The flowering of Indian liberalism cannot be set apart from the political context in which it operated. It was, in the best sense of the word, Nehruvian. Jawaharlal Nehru understood that in a society as poor and divided as his, the task of nation building had necessarily to be inclusive rather than exclusive. He thus wished to take everyone along with him: Muslims, Hindus, capitalists, workers, tribals, peasants, Hindiwallahs and 'Madrasis'.

In his autobiography Nehru wrote of the Servants of India Society that while he respected their commitment, their work "might not be on wholly right lines". "Its politics", he remarked, "were too moderate for me".[8] At this time Nehru tended also to display a certain impatience with the views of Gokhale's most influential admirer, Mahatma Gandhi. But the arrogant and impatient rebel was to be tamed and humanised by office. As prime minister of this bafflingly complex land he learnt to appreciate the beauties of compromise.

It is now fashionable to posit Gandhi against Nehru, but in two signal respects the disciple came to follow the master: in his preference for consensus over conflict, and in his deep abhorrence of violence in thought and deed. As he once told the French writer-politician, Andre Malraux, the greatest challenge before him, and India, was how to "build a just society by just means".

While the British were still in India Nehru sometimes spoke and sounded like a utopian revolutionary. But as a prime minister he worked always for "moderate political and social reform". Now he, in turn, attracted the scorn of the young and hot-tempered. The hard core Marxist deplored his compromises with capitalists and landlords, the Jan Sanghi his desire to effect a rapprochement with Indian Muslims and with Pakistan. Reds and saffronites alike could not understand Nehru's respect for non-violence, for the norms and procedures of democracy. At this time there were not many extremists of either kind. The vast majority of Indian intellectuals were liberals: left liberals, centre liberals, and right liberals. And they all admired, even worshipped Nehru.

III

Threat from the Left

Although Nehru's death, in 1964, did not lead immediately to the decline or disappearance of liberalism, it must in retrospect be viewed as an important factor that set in motion the slide. Lal Bahadur Shastri came and went, and then Indira Gandhi took over as prime minister. Although her term was interrupted by one three-year spell in opposition, all told she held office almost as long as her father did. Long enough, at any rate, to decisively influence the trajectory of intellectual life in this country.

Unlike her father, Indira Gandhi was no liberal. She cultivated committed intellectuals much as she cultivated committed judges and civil servants. Scholars, including some very fine ones, were lured to her side by the hope of using the instruments of the state to promote their models of teaching and research. Not coincidentally most of these scholars were Marxist or Marxisant.

Till the 1960s, Marxism had little serious influence in the Indian academy. Marxists enjoyed greater visibility and power in the cultural realm: in literature, drama, and, especially, film. To be sure, there were some able scholars of this persuasion, such as A R Desai, Irfan Habib, and above all, D D Kosambi. But not many more. Things changed rather swiftly in the late 1960s and thereafter. One important influence was Mao's China, whose alleged successes, economic as well as cultural, were widely (and uncritically) bruited about. The attractions of China were reinforced by the activities of the Naxalites, by the young men and women who might have been lacking in tactical sense but certainly not in bravery.

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Jan 30, 2006 12:00 AM
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Ghulam faruki:

You are absolutely right that liberalism has been a very fertile source of progress and humanitarianism. That is why you and Islam decided to have nothing to do with it.
Thomas Nile
London, United Kingdom
Jan 29, 2006 12:00 AM
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>If the liberal happens to be a Muslim, some folks >would closely follow his posts to find an early >opportunity to label him an "apologist".

Shame on you Ghulam for thinking that you get labeled an apologist because you happen to have a Muslim name. People are judged by their behaviour, and on this forum, by their posts. If you fancy yourself as a liberal, I am sorry to say your posts betray that claim.
Ajit Tendulkar
Seattle, United States
Jan 28, 2006 12:00 AM
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This is a scholarly and very thoughtful article by Ramachandra Guha. It is true that liberals are an endangered species. In Bush's America, "liberal" has become a dirty word. Marxist as well as BJP circles in India would consider liberals as being wooly-eyed and lacking hard-nosed thinking. Even in this forum, epithets such as "pseudo-sec" or "commie" would be freely hurled at anyone advocating a liberal position. If the liberal happens to be a Muslim, some folks would closely follow his posts to find an early opportunity to label him an "apologist". It is a pity because liberalism has throughout history been a fertile ground for hunanitarianism, arts and progress.
Ghulam Y Faruki
New York, United States
Apr 11, 2004 12:00 AM
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English media is surely the biggest convert missionaries have made. Unaware and many times even caught not listening to the other point of views, Media, over a period of time, has gone dumb, deaf and blind to the inherent dangers of the exploitative nature of the mass conversions and its ill effect on the Indian society as a whole. Media, in its usual charge against Hindus for not being tolerant enough to remain indifferent to the plight of their fellow countrymen lured by money or muscle into Christianity with rest of the Hindu society left to bleed, often argue that despite Islamic invasions and British colonialism, number of converts has not increased proportionately and attribute this phenomenon solely to the tolerant nature of Islamic rulers and noble hearted Christian Missionaries who had only welfare of the Hindu society in mind. Is it as simple as it looks? First, Islamic invasion wasn't as bloodless as it is often cited. It can be easily summarized in the words of American Historian Will Durant "The Mohammadan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in the history". It was only due to the sacrifices of several well known and unaccounted number of unknowns to maintain and preserve the cultural and spiritual integrity of the Hindu society, it could remain in its present form. Based on several references available from Islamic and non Islamic sources, the forcibly converted people were brought back into the Hindu fold once situations improved. Secondly, the number of Christians in India hasn't gone up as apologists often point out, is an absurdity at its best. Christian missionaries came to India in sixteenth century with the Catholic Portuguese. History is replete with incidents of bloody conflicts and forced conversions. A century later, Protestant Christian nations of Europe came to India but they didn't have any proselytizing mission and in fact, the English East India Company were prohibited from sending out missionaries by a clause in their charter. However, in early nineteenth century missionaries in England started putting up enormous amount of pressure in support of sending Evangelical mission to India. This encountered stiff opposition from several quarters and culminated into two differing schools of thoughts. It can be easily summed up in the words of a tea-dealer Mr. Twinning, "As long as we continue to govern India in the mild, tolerant spirit of Christianity, we may govern it with ease; but if ever the fatal day should arrive, when religious innovation shall set her foot in that country, indignation will spread from one end of the Hindustan to the other, and the arms of fifty millions of people will drive us from that portion of the globe, with as much ease as the sand of the desert is scattered by the wind". Another point of view in support of that policy was by Montgomery. "Christianity had nothing to teach Hinduism, and no missionary ever made a really good Christian convert in India. He was more anxious to save the 30,000 of his country-men in India than to save the souls of all the Hindu by making them Christians at so dreadful a price". Any attack on Hindu interests seldom draws any attention from the media and if it does, is often described as 'complete falsehood' or reporters make it absolutely sure that the words like 'alleged' or 'claimed to' are used even in cases like carnage of minority Hindus in Kashmir.
Miss Chandramukhi Sonkar
Rampur ( Uttar Pradesh ), India
Apr 05, 2004 12:00 AM
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I am grateful to Mr.Guha for this essay. Not being a scholar of history or sociology, it is useful to have some guidance on how to read - or rather how not to be misled by - the authorities in these fields. I am referring specifically to the use of particular versions of history in current political debates that are polarized along the lines of caste or religion.

In this regard, I find particularly valuable the author's stating of a problem I have encountered in public but also more private discourse about for instance, the Godhra tragedy. While all my discussions have involved people who can all agree that as human beings what happened there was brutal, the discussions that follow are often thorny ones wherein the discussants often enagage in what Mr.Guha highlights: "disagreement is increasingly sought to be explained in terms of motivation and ideology, rather than method and evidence."
In my professional life as a physician I am used to debates where motivations (financial for example) and ideology are in question, but there is an important and welcome difference in my professionla discussions, which is this: we all agree that what should really be at stake here is evidence and methodology (even if it is explored imprefectly). In discussions about political and historical issues however, it seems to me more common that there is not this agreement, rather the stakes are really about ones' ideology, national 'pride' or lack thereof etc.

An excellent tonic, this essay.
Vinod Srihari
New Haven, USA
Apr 03, 2004 12:00 AM
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Is it not amazing to see this deceitful bright red common Marxist chameleon, gradually changing its colour from the ‘Socialist red’ to the ‘Liberal Pink, while stealthily stalking Hindus in their own country? Carefully watch how this wily Marxist chameleon is attempting to slickly change its political red colour to ‘LIBERAL PINK’ to suit the current anti-Marxist political correctness. And all this liberal stuff spewing from our new born again Liberal is in order to dupe people who are already weary of our very red Marxist Historians and their foot soldiers like our pseudo secular scribes.
Even in Canada we can feel the hot air generated by burning of sixteen pages of absolute rubbish by one of our brand new ‘born again liberal’. However, old habit dies hard and that is why Mr. Guha keeps on returning to the Outlook’s obligatory ‘Hindutva bashing theme again and again in his article.
So, instead of admitting defeat Mr. Guha has decided in his current article to work on a different angle. Amazingly, after years of defending Marxist historians, our ‘born again pink liberal scribe’ is admitting that the horrible Indian Marxist historians were, indeed, responsible for distorting our history. However, currently as a new liberal champion, Mr. Guha also warns us to be weary of the Hindutva force because it will be twice as bad as the Marxist historians!
And Mr. Guha genuinely believes that the suckers are born every two minutes!
Good try Mr. Guha. Try again.
Raj
Toronto, Canada
Apr 02, 2004 12:00 AM
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The best description of today's Hindu would be a paraphrase of the French dictiionnary " Le Petit Larousse"'s description of the leopard:

"Le leopard est un mechant animal; qui'on l'attaque, il se defend."

The leopard is a savage beast; when attacked it defends itself.


Rajendran Kumaran
London, UK
Apr 01, 2004 12:00 AM
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Guha wrote this article more than 2 years ago. To think that it arouses so much passion in someone today ought to tickle him no end.


The thing about Liberals is that they are neither Tory nor Labor and like Gladstone, rather has-been. Liberal Party was characterized by certain attitudes rather than a precise ideology. The Indian liberals whom Sri Guha admires are not any different.


Incidentally, Sri Kumaran, this Ramachandra Guha is allegedly none other than one Ramachandran Guhan. That makes him by way of attitude and ideology, a Mylapore Mama. So you could call him names in good Tamil. But it would appear bad Hindi and bad philosophy go together :)
Lakshmi Srinivas
Novi, US
Apr 01, 2004 12:00 AM
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Ref. page 7: "Yet their state governments have successfully promoted communal peace, and not one of the party's leaders has yet been indicted for corruption".
What a dirty liar the writer is! His both claims are big lies.
chortle
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Apr 01, 2004 12:00 AM
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Raja Jee, Mere Bhaiya..tune bajaa dee duflee..you are correct about indian economists..but now some of them are doing some good work..and please don't be so angry and upset..
See 'India or Bharat Mata' (being support of RSS, it seems these words would pacify you,please forgive me if you are from south) is so young and fragile..she would need her passionate sons like you thinking, and not getting so angry
BumBhola
Patna, USA
Apr 01, 2004 12:00 AM
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Guha says:

"The economist Vinod Vyasulu once suggested to this writer that of the top hundred members of his profession in India, not one would like to ally himslef with the Bharatiya Janata Party. There are no reputable Sangh parivar economists and, it must be said, no reputable saffron soicologists or anthroplogists either. No social scientist of any achievement or credibility will be seen, dead or alive, with the BJP. The situation with regard to history-writing is only marginally different: perhaps two or three of the best hundred historians might be willing to be labelled as 'saffron'."

My response:

Good for you, Sangh parivar!!!! When such a near-unanimous coalition of academic fools is against you, it is a very favourable comment on your prospects. Who needs these head-in-the-sand academic clowns? Most of them are simply practitioners-for-pay of a certain industry, whose aim is not truth but their own gain and petty fame. John Kenneth Galbraith once remarked that there was an inverse relationship between the number of good economists a country produced and its economic performance. He remarked that it was no accident that Japan, which had few internationally known economists, had done so much better economically than India, with its hordes of "great" economists. God save India from distinguished economists, Guhaji!!!

How wonderful, too, that the Sangh parivar is not burdened with "reputable" anthropologists and sociologists..!! Gee Whizz!!! Yipeeee!!!! Maybe that is why the Sangh is doing so well in winning over Tribals to the Hindutva cause. One Hindutva activist who knows Tribal languages and cultures and can propagandise effectively for Hindutva among tribals is worth all the "reputable" anthropologist and sociologist ninnies the World will ever produce. Keep them with my compliments, Guha.

As for historians, a single V S Naipaul is worth infinitely more than shiploads of petty Islamo-fascist hacks like Romila Thapar, finding ever cleverer reasons why Islamic destroyers of Hinduism's cultural heritage were really doing it all for cuddly Nehruite "secular" reasons.

I shall worry for the Sangh only when it gets a big academic following.
Rajendran Kumaran
London, UK
Apr 01, 2004 12:00 AM
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Guha need not be surprised that political Hinduism borrows from political Islam. His perceptor, the fatuous "secular historian" Dharma Kumar, thought she was making a devastating point when she crowed: The Sangh Parivar wants to create an Islamic state - for Hindus. So what if it does? Is that worse than what the Dharma Kumars want so ardently to do, ie, create an Islamic state in India in which Hindus will be crucified? If Dharma Kumar thinks political Islam is so bad, why does she and her "Economic and Political Weekly" pseudo-Marxist mob go all out to idealise and propagate it in India?

Hinduism has to fight effectively in this world to survive against deadly enemies like Islam. If Hindus don't learn lessons in seriousness and organisation from Muslims, they will be destroyed in India as surely as they have been in Pakistan and Bangladesh. But though two opposing armies may wear similar uniforms and use similar guns it does't follow that they don't stand for different things. Hinduism is NOT Islam: it is an open minded religion, and can change and evolve. So a Hindu India will be a liberal India.

Marx, that truly great man, would, incidentally, spit on the Indians who call themselves his followers. What has promoting Islamo-fascism and its closed medieval outlook got to do with Marxism? What a joke!!!!
Rajendran Kumaran
London, UK
Apr 01, 2004 12:00 AM
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Dear Guha Gadhdha:

Still, don't despair. Perhaaaps the "Liberal" cause in India will be saved by the great intellectual leader of the Congress Paaaarty, Mrs Son-Why Can't-He. With the active, clever support of son Little Raw-Fool, daughter Pranker, Pro-Nawab Mukherjee, Manic Stinker (L)Aiyer, Paki Call Dope Nayar, Pro-Fool Bidwai, Sunil Call-Ninny and - last but by no means least! - that priceless Bihari one-third buffalo, one-third pig and one-third secuuulaaaarh, Lalloooo Yadav.
Rajendran Kumaran
London, UK
Apr 01, 2004 12:00 AM
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Guhaji

Don't be fatuous. Try living in the real world, and not your petty, cosy, England-New England-California-ivory tower. Your feeble world of "scholarly" chums who will "referee" your sweet little articles from which every harsh, uncomfortable truth has been filtered out because it doesn't fit the cheap little academic game. About 40 years of Indian "liberal" buttering up of Islamo-fascism has finally brought its predictable dire results, old academic doodler. Your Nehruite crowd systematically created conflict among the Hindus and encouraged Islamic fascism with all your might in order to have an easy ride in power. The Hindus finally got angry, got their act together and YOU are finally - Thank God! - out. Meanwhile your sweet Islamic pals are utterly out of control and running around blowing the world to bits. No sane person is going to buy your sweet anodyne Isalmo-fascist coddling "academic" theories any longer old boy. Tough!!!!!
Rajendran Kumaran
London, UK
Apr 01, 2004 12:00 AM
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it is sad to read this boring descriptive article coming from one of the better indian mind. This article lacks rigor and analytics..story is emdedded in the word 'history' does not mean that hiss of the story should be so boring..
in the recent census data only 3% indian can speak english..millions of indian have not even heard of Marx..no gives damn to that 'bum'..who gives damn to 'dumb' Joshi..
the usage of words like 'pink' sounds so cheap..
I don't have time..neither I have inclination to get in the analytics of 'histroy'...understand the 'stri', and there is our history..
BumBhola
Patna, USA
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