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No, Mr Minister!
After history and school syllabi, Joshi wants complete control over IITs and IIMs.
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If, for Stephen Rodger Waugh, winning a Test series in India was "the final frontier", for HRD minister Dr Murli Manohar Joshi, it must be gaining total control of the two world-class educational systems we have in the country, the IITs and the IIMs. History has been conquered, school syllabi have been vanquished, now only the best of Indian higher education remains to be quelled.

If he hasn't succeeded fully yet, it certainly hasn't been for lack of trying.
 
 
Joshi wants the IIMs to be dependent on the government, so that he can do whatever he wants with them.
 
 
For the first time in history, ministry bureaucrats sit on IIT boards. Dr Joshi has been trying to fiddle with the IIT entrance examinations. There's talk of setting up a dozen—or even more—new IITs, of renaming existing engineering institutes as IITs. The ministry has managed to establish tighter control over the IITs' finances, and is trying the same with the IIMs.

The leakage of the test papers of the Common Admission Test (CAT) for the IIMs has now given Dr Joshi the perfect excuse to ram through his regressive and dangerous ideas. The CAT, one of the toughest and fairest tests in the world, will now be abolished, and a committee has been set up to devise a new test which will be common to all management schools in India. Significantly, the committee does not include the directors of the three best IIMs, who have been boldly resisting Dr Joshi's moves.

The official reason for this is that the B-school aspirant will now sit for only one test and then pick his institute based on the marks he obtains. But the real effect will be that, with the government conducting the tests, the IIMs will lose control over who to admit. Can you imagine a school where all the students are given to it, by some external authority? That's what Dr Joshi wants the IIMs to be.

Just one question for Mr V.S. Pandey, joint secretary in the HRD ministry, who signed the CAT-scrapping letter to the IIMs: Mr Pandey, would you, as an ias officer, agree to the 12 civil services exams conducted by the UPSC and all the state civil services exams being reduced to one common test? Why, Mr Pandey, does this sound like a rhetorical question to me?

Dr Joshi has asked the IIMs to keep just Rs 25 crore in their corpus and give the rest to the government. His primary goal in this, one senses, is not to improve management education in the country with this money, but to make the IIMs financially dependent on the government, so he can do whatever he wants with them—tamper with the syllabus, with appointments, with admissions, who knows what.

Anyone halfway familiar with the IITs and IIMs knows that they are so good precisely because they have been fairly autonomous. The government's own committees and advisors have, in fact, always pushed for more autonomy, not less. In 1986, the IIT Review Committee urged less interference from the government, and specifically said that "it would be unwise to bring IITs under the UGC system and attempt uniformity", precisely what Dr Joshi is aiming to do. In other words, Dr Joshi wants to bring the IITs and IIMs down to the level of other institutes.

In 2000, the Prime Minister asked Mckinsey to examine ways to improve the IITs. The consultancy firm strongly recommended more autonomy, especially given the fact that China had embarked on a spectacularly ambitious project to have 100 IIT-quality engineering schools within 20 years. The report was submitted to the PM—and Dr Joshi—in December 2000. The results are there for all to see.

Over the last one year, Dr Joshi has alienated many of the most successful IIT alumni. Even after the President and the Prime Minister had agreed to grace the biggest IIT alumni event ever, scheduled for December 21 in Delhi, the HRD ministry's intransigence forced the organisers to cancel the meet. Many alumni are keen to repay their alma mater for all they received from it.But who would give money if you have no control over where it's going? By banning IITs from receiving money directly from their alumni, who can only donate now to the newly-set-up Bharat Shiksha Kosh (which will decide where to spend the money and on what), he's ensured that the donations stop.

But that's OK by Dr Joshi, since he wants to keep the IITs and IIMs impoverished. He wants all the excess cash the IIMs have, plus he wants them to reduce their fees dramatically. There's some mumbo-jumbo being trotted out about the IIMs having "the potential to contribute more to the country's education programme by becoming more accessible". But banks are falling over one another to give educational loans to IIM students, it's the safest investment you can make! And, if the fees are reduced by 90 per cent, will IIM graduates suddenly start joining the social sector instead of multinationals? Indeed, it makes no sense for the government to subsidise the IIMs at all! For, in effect, the beneficiaries of the subsidies are the Goldman Sachs and Citibanks of the world! But that's OK by Dr Joshi, because he will be able to teach the IIM students what he wants them to learn (he has asked the IIMs to inform—that is, seek approval from—the ministry before they start any new programme).

I visited IIT Kharagpur recently. Many of my old professors seemed utterly demotivated. One told me: "If things continue like this, in 20 years' time, the IITs will have no brand equity in the world at all." If this happens, we will know who was responsible.

But then, Waugh never crossed "the final frontier". Maybe there's a V.V.S. Laxman, a Rahul Dravid, a Harbhajan Singh lurking in our governance system somewhere. Unlikely, but we can't let that hope fade totally, can we?




(The author is an IIT-IIM alumnus. His book, The IITians, will be published by Penguin/Viking in January 2004.)
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Jan 16, 2004 12:00 AM
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I am an IITD alumnus and am part of the IITDEF (IITD Excellence Foundation - alumni assoc of IITD) executive committee. Reading the article and some of the comments, only reaffrims the unpleasant truth - "IITians are arrogant. IITians think anyone who suggests changes are dumb."
Coming to the case in point regarding Bharat Siksha Khosh (BSK), has Sadipan and have other alumni commenting here, taken the trouble to find out how exactly BSK works or are they just parroting the half baked facts presented by the media. Contrary to popular belief, BSK is meant to track the flow of money going into educational institutions, not control the flow. We (at IITDEF)have launched several scholarships and other "giving-back" activities through alumni donations. Till now we have never faced any problems with BSK. How the money is to be spent is decided by IITD and the donor. I am not saying BSK is not an issue, but till now we dint have any cause to complain. So my call to the author and other fellow IITians is to come out of the prejudice that "BSK is a dumb idea, or whatever MMJoshi does sucks." Please check the facts. Find out if BSK really places constraints on your contributions, before "putting your plans in the freezer."
Vamsi Vutukuru
New york, USA
Dec 13, 2003 12:00 AM
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SANDIPAN DEB,
Dr Joshi is a professor of physics and please do not underestimate him and his vision. Please do not treat 5 IITs and few IIMs the whole india. For example, i have seen the students who came from poor background and learned in lower category government schools were more intelligent,honest,patriotic and cultured then the private or autonomous english medium educated guys. Education is very critical things for the development of an individual who finally contributes for nation building directly or indirectly. Indian education needs overhauling at all levels. After independence we could not produce a single nobel prize winners and all were born in pre-independent era. Dr Joshi might be having more information which necessitates changes in IITs and IIMs admission policy. Communists has brain washed hindus of west Bengal. It appears to me that you are looking at the events with your communist mindset. Communists and congress visions are definitely different than BJPs because for BJP everything should contribute to india's integrity,unity,
welfare, development and progress. Per my veiwpoint Dr Joshi is moving on the right path.
-Vande Mataram
Shanti Sonkar
Varanasi ( Uttar Pradesh ), India
Dec 13, 2003 12:00 AM
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The points raised in this article are really genuine. I am myself from IIT, and also worked in a public sector company for four years. It is true that undue government control badly effects the management, quality and efficiency of any institution. It is sad to read comments time and again from Solankar and family. They just blindly support anything that BJP and Co. does without really understanding the issue. Just like they blame pseudo secular for all the national problems, they themsleves are creating an atmosphere of scophancy with respect to BJP policies. It is always good to have healthy criticism and support but Solankars are just for blind arguments. Like Ravi Pillai they sure do have lotta free time and internet access.
amar
michigan, USA
Dec 13, 2003 12:00 AM
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It surprises me that this article comes from an IITian. Iam myself an IIT alumnus. There is a learning phase before IIT and after IIT. I think govt in right in ensuring that a part of donations going to IIT percolate to impoverished school education system in India. The theory of diminshing returns also apply to IIT. Talking of entrance exams, it is worth to have common test for all schools in India. Same happens with GRE, GMAT , SAT in US. What is crucial is that system needs to be honest so that best gets through. Making entrance exam tough does not make that you get the best. Getting into IITs is based on who does better than others. It is a changing world and IIT needs to change with changing times. Let us believe in government and give it a chance. Paradoxically, it was the govt policies which helped IIT become what it is today. Iam sure the faculty and quality of students in IIT will keep the flag flying for india and inspire individuals to excel and contribute in development on India and world.
raj
delhi, india
Dec 13, 2003 12:00 AM
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The kind of Brand Image which IIMs have attained, is not only due to the processes followed and the high quality faculty, but also due to the ability to get the best talent in India, which is made possible by the CAT. If one removes only CAT, retaining other features, e.g. for courses like FPM, IIMs have not got the same brand value inspite of the same processes and faculty. This clearly shows the value and the effectiveness of CAT.
Being an IIM student, I have got the oppurtunity to interact with the people within the IIMs, and most of them agree for the same.
It takes decades to make a brand value that is possessed by CAT, it takes minutes to destroy that value. Please do not play with CAT.
Rajesh
Rajesh
Indore, India
Dec 13, 2003 12:00 AM
13
I completely agree with BENJAMIN NETANIAHU and RAJ. As mentioned by Raj that he is an IITian, people should respect his views also. Dr Joshi wants to improve the qualities of IITs and IIMs to a level of MIT and Harvard etc.
Shanti Sonkar
Varanasi ( Uttar Pradesh ), India
Dec 13, 2003 12:00 AM
12
In all probability, Amar is the author himself, so we can safely ignore his reply. Rajesh( most probably also from the Outlook) has basically nothing to say as the toppers will always choose IIMs. "Raj" from "Delhi" is dead right. He is an IITian from IIT Chennai. Thanks "Raj" for supporting my point. Well said, indeed! And Miss Shanti, it's better that you keep quite.
Benjamin Netaniahu
New Delhi, India
Dec 13, 2003 12:00 AM
11
Miss Shanti, read quiet.
Benjamin Netaniahu
New Delhi, India
Dec 13, 2003 12:00 AM
10
In addition to IITs and IIMs, education should be controlled by central government instead of state governments. Various state governments are refusing hindi to implement in their state. Once the control goes to central government then hindi would be imposed as a 3rd contact language along with english and mother tongue languages.
-Vande Mataram
Shanti Sonkar
Varanasi ( Uttar Pradesh ), India
Dec 12, 2003 12:00 AM
9
Benjamin
When a person sends remittance back to india, it goes to his relatives, or his investments in india. even if it remains in indian banks, u and i know what kind of 'development work'it is used for. A poor adivasi woman residing in a not so remote village (even within 100 kms of a city like Bombay)still dies in child birth for want of basic medical help.
Regarding your queries about matches, it is irrelevent to this topic and regarding your referance to fake names, I refuse to comment.
arti Godara
mumbai, india
Dec 09, 2003 12:00 AM
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I agree one hundred percent with Sandipan Deb. The need of the hour is to reduce the subsidies given to higher education, especially for professional courses like engineering and medicine. Thanks to these subsidised rates, we have engineering graduates lining up for railway lineman’s job. There should be no subsidies and no reservations. Merit should be the only criteria and competitive bank loans should be available to students. Till the government does it (and it will take ages, given the vote bank politics going on), it should make it compulsory for these graduates to serve in villages for at least 2 years. Let them pay India back what they took from her in the form of subsidised education. Why should developed nations be allowed to benefit out of our subsidies?
arti Godara
mumbai, india
Dec 09, 2003 12:00 AM
7
Arti,

Sondipan has confused you by writing that the MNCs were going to be benefited if subsidies were given to the management students. The salaries of the MBA graduates are not going to be reduced, the recruiting companies will have to pay the same amount. In fact, it is the loan providing banks, which are largely multinational, are going to be the real losers, and they are the main people who have been crying foul. May be they have paid Sondi to write this article.

Arti, there is no need to serve in the villages to pay tribute to the country. If the person goes abroad , and sends remittances for two years to India, the country is going to be more benefited.

Finally, thanks Arti for registering in another fake name. How are you enjoying the test matches? Can India win the Sydney test?
Benjamin Netaniahu
New Delhi, India
Dec 09, 2003 12:00 AM
6
I notice Outlook has deleted some posts by Arvind Lal which pointed out our friend Shanti Sonkar is behind a lot of the letters of propaganda here under the names Benjamin Netanyahu, Pradyumna, Shine, Venkat, Raj and lot more. And yet, they have no problem in allowing allowing Mr. Shanti Netan Venkat Sonkar Yahoo to continue his propaganda.

Mr. Arvind Lal, may be what you should do is adopt different names like Shanti Yahoo does and keep pointing out his fake names.
Bhartiya
Chicago, USA
Dec 08, 2003 12:00 AM
5
Distorting/Correcting history is one thing, but fiddling with world class institutes is another. A few years back, M.M.Joshi asked the IITs not to be dependent on the government, which was a good move, because the general feeling was that the Profs. had become too laidback and un-enterprising. But then, they rallied and a good amount of money started floating into the IITs, not only through donations from alumini, but also by funds from the industry. But now, Mr. Joshi has tried to destroy the autonomy enjoyed by the IITs and IIMs, which is a regressive move. His ideas on primary education are exemplary, but those on higher education are primitive.
Vishwanath Rao
Bangalore, India
Dec 08, 2003 12:00 AM
4
Sondipan,

You are a bonafide IDIOT. The piece produced by you is a paradigm of pure idiocy. No wonder in your time it was easy to enter these institutes(I know it form my personal experience). The way of your editing(take for example the editing of the science issue which was substandard to say the least) also shows ample example of your foolishness.

Idiot, what is wrong if a common test like PMT is held for all management institutes? The toppers will go to the IIMs, wtf about it? One aspirant has to spend more than 15000 rupees for various tests, and no bank gives loan for this. Poor guys will be hugely benefited. Your comparison of this proposal with UPSC exams is the most f*****g comparison I have ever read. You must have cracked the papers of the IIT and IIM.

F****** Sondi, monopoly of either the existing IITs or IIMs is not good for the general education of the country. The good standard has to be expanded throughout the country, and only then India can surpass the US. And finally remember, if Dr. Joshi succeeds in his mission, the real India which lies in the lower and middle classes will be benefited. Wtf about countering your other weak logics! So I completely endorse his plan. May God bless him.
And sorry for using foul languages!
Benjamin Netaniahu
New Delhi, India
Dec 08, 2003 12:00 AM
3
Sondi,

Read "Your editing" and "examples" in place of "The way ... editing." and "example" respectively in the second sentence.
Benjamin Netaniahu
New Delhi, India
Dec 07, 2003 12:00 AM
2
Yes, about time the Government takes control over these so-called "IIT" and "IIM" upshots; who do they think they are, spouting mouthfuls on "world class" education?

Let's bring the Government into every sphere of our lives; let us allow it to control our religion, our education, our thoughts, everything. Only then will we establish Raam Rajya in Akhand Bharat.

How cares about quality, 'coz we certainly don't need it; we are Indians, thankyouverymuch.
Seema Sultana
Hyderabad, India
Dec 07, 2003 12:00 AM
1
I totally agree with the author. The IIT's and the IIM's are respected world wide precisely because they are autonomous and are free from government control. If Mr.Joshi is allowed to get away with this, it will be a black day in the history of the education system. We must do our best and prevent this hostile takeover of these prestigious institutes by the government.
Nina
Madison, U.S.A
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