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Text of a speech at harlem, New york
Instant-Mix Imperial Democracy. Buy One, Get One Free
When a country ceases to be merely a country and becomes an empire, then the scale of operations changes dramatically. ... I speak as a subject of the American Empire. I speak as a slave who presumes to criticise her king.

This is the full text of the Center for Economic and Social Rights (CESR)-sponsored lecture delivered by Arundhati Roy at the Riverside Church in Harlem, New York, on May 13. Historically known for its social activism, this is the church where Nelson Mandela spoke and where Martin Luther King Jr. first protested the Vietnam War.

Roy's talk was announced on CESR's website last month, and all 3,000 tickets -- priced inexpensively, at her request, to make them democratically accessible -- sold out within hours. In response to the huge demand, free "overflow" seating with closed circuit TV was arranged; when that was filled to capacity (audience included U.N. officials, well-known actors, activists and intellectuals), hundreds of fans were turned away.

Roy's speech, honored with long standing ovations, and the discussion that followed it, was broadcast on live radio in five major U.S. cities; C-Span, a TV channel that usually airs U.S. Senate hearings, will air the full address this weekend.


In these times when we have to race to keep abreast of the speed at which our freedoms are being snatched from us, and when few can afford the luxury of retreating from the streets for a while in order to return with an exquisite, fully formed political thesis replete with footnotes and references, what profound gift can I offer you tonight? As we lurch from crisis to crisis, beamed directly into our brains by satellite TV, we have to think on our feet. On the move. We enter histories through the rubble of war. Ruined cities, parched fields, shrinking forests and dying rivers are our archives. Craters left by daisy-cutters, our libraries. So what can I offer you tonight? Some uncomfortable thoughts about money, war, empire, racism and democracy. Some worries that flit around my brain like a family of persistent moths that keep me awake at night.

Some of you will think it bad manners for a person like me, officially entered in the Big Book of Modern Nations as an "Indian citizen", to come here and criticise the US government. Speaking for myself, I'm no flag-waver, no patriot, and am fully aware that venality, brutality, and hypocrisy are imprinted on the leaden soul of every state. But when a country ceases to be merely a country and becomes an empire, then the scale of operations changes dramatically. So may I clarify that tonight I speak as a subject of the American Empire? I speak as a slave who presumes to criticise her king.

Since lectures must be called something, mine tonight is called:


Instant-Mix Imperial Democracy. 
Buy One, Get One Free

Way back in 1988, on July 3, the USS Vincennes, a missile cruiser stationed in the Persian Gulf, accidentally shot down an Iranian airliner and killed 290 civilian passengers. George Bush the First, who was at the time on his presidential campaign, was asked to comment on the incident. He said quite subtly, "I will never apologise for the United States. I don't care what the facts are."

I don't care what the facts are. What a perfect maxim for the New American Empire. Perhaps a slight variation on the theme would be more apposite: The facts can be whatever we want them to be.

When the United States invaded Iraq, a New York Times/CBS News survey estimated that 42 per cent of the American public believed that Saddam Hussein was directly responsible for the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

 
 
It was Frenzy with a Purpose. It ushered in an old doctrine in a new bottle: the Doctrine of Pre-emptive Strike, aka The United States Can Do Whatever The Hell It Wants, And That’s Official.
 
 
And an abc News poll said that 55 per cent of Americans believed that Saddam Hussein directly supported Al Qaeda. None of this opinion is based on evidence (because there isn't any). All of it is based on insinuation, auto-suggestion and outright lies circulated by the US corporate media, otherwise known as the 'Free Press', that hollow pillar on which contemporary American democracy rests.

Public support in the US for the war against Iraq was founded on a multi-tiered edifice of falsehood and deceit, coordinated by the US government and faithfully amplified by the corporate media.

Apart from the invented links between Iraq and Al Qaeda, we had the manufactured frenzy about Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction. George Bush the Lesser went to the extent of saying it would be "suicidal" for the US not to attack Iraq. We once again witnessed the paranoia that a starved, bombed, besieged country was about to annihilate almighty America. (Iraq was only the latest in a succession of countries—earlier there was Cuba, Nicaragua, Libya, Grenada, Panama). But this time it wasn't just your ordinary brand of friendly neighbourhood frenzy.

 
 
Using lists provided by the CIA, the new Ba’ath regime systematically eliminated hundreds of doctors, teachers, lawyers and political figures known to be leftists. An entire intellectual community was slaughtered.
 
 
It was Frenzy with a Purpose. It ushered in an old doctrine in a new bottle: the Doctrine of Pre-emptive Strike, aka The United States Can Do Whatever The Hell It Wants, And That's Official.

The war against Iraq has been fought and won and no Weapons of Mass Destruction have been found. Not even a little one. Perhaps they'll have to be planted before they're discovered. And then, the more troublesome amongst us will need an explanation for why Saddam Hussein didn't use them when his country was being invaded.

Of course, there'll be no answers. True Believers will make do with those fuzzy TV reports about the discovery of a few barrels of banned chemicals in an old shed. There seems to be no consensus yet about whether they are really chemicals, whether they are actually banned, and whether the vessels they're contained in can technically be called barrels. (There were unconfirmed rumours that a teaspoonful of potassium permanganate and an old harmonica were found there too.)

Meanwhile, in passing, an ancient civilisation has been casually decimated by a very recent, casually brutal nation.

Then there are those who say, so what if Iraq had no chemical and nuclear weapons? So what if there is no Al Qaeda connection? So what if Osama bin Laden hates Saddam Hussein as much as he hates the United States? Bush the Lesser has said Saddam Hussein was a 'Homicidal Dictator'. And so, the reasoning goes, Iraq needed a "regime change".

Never mind that forty years ago, the CIA, under President John F.

 
 
When it comes to Empire, facts don’t matter. The use of the urgent morality of the present to obscure the diabolical sins of the past and the malevolent plans for the future is an effective technique.
 
 
Kennedy, orchestrated a regime change in Baghdad. In 1963, after a successful coup, the Ba'ath party came to power in Iraq. Using lists provided by the CIA, the new Ba'ath regime systematically eliminated hundreds of doctors, teachers, lawyers and political figures known to be leftists. An entire intellectual community was slaughtered. (The same technique was used to massacre hundreds of thousands of people in Indonesia and East Timor.) The young Saddam Hussein was said to have had a hand in supervising the bloodbath. In 1979, after factional infighting within the Ba'ath Party, Saddam Hussein became the President of Iraq. In April 1980, while he was massacring Shias, the US National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinksi declared, "We see no fundamental incompatibility of interests between the United States and Iraq." Washington and London overtly and covertly supported Saddam Hussein. They financed him, equipped him, armed him and provided him with dual-use materials to manufacture weapons of mass destruction. They supported his worst excesses financially, materially and morally. They supported the eight-year war against Iran and the 1988 gassing of Kurdish people in Halabja, crimes which 14 years later were re-heated and served up as reasons to justify invading Iraq. After the first Gulf War, the 'Allies' fomented an uprising of Shias in Basra and then looked away while Saddam Hussein crushed the revolt and slaughtered thousands in an act of vengeful reprisal.
 
 
Empire is on the move, and Democracy is its sly new war cry. Democracy, home-delivered to your doorstep by daisy-cutters. Death is a small price for people to pay for the privilege of sampling this new product: Instant-Mix Imperial Democracy (bring to a boil, add oil, then bomb).
 
 

The point is, if Saddam Hussein was evil enough to merit the most elaborate, openly declared assassination attempt in history (the opening move of Operation Shock and Awe), then surely those who supported him ought at least to be tried for war crimes? Why aren't the faces of US and UK government officials on the infamous pack of cards of wanted men and women?

Because when it comes to Empire, facts don't matter.

Yes, but all that's in the past, we're told. Saddam Hussein is a monster who must be stopped now. And only the US can stop him. It's an effective technique, this use of the urgent morality of the present to obscure the diabolical sins of the past and the malevolent plans for the future. Indonesia, Panama, Nicaragua, Iraq, Afghanistan—the list goes on and on. Right now there are brutal regimes being groomed for the future—Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan, the Central Asian Republics.

US Attorney General John Ashcroft recently declared that US freedoms are "not the grant of any government or document, but...our endowment from God". (Why bother with the United Nations when God himself is on hand?)

So here we are, the people of the world, confronted with an Empire armed with a mandate from heaven (and, as added insurance, the most formidable arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in history). Here we are, confronted with an Empire that has conferred upon itself the right to go to war at will, and the right to deliver people from corrupting ideologies, from religious fundamentalists, dictators, sexism, and poverty by the age-old, tried-and-tested practice of extermination.

 
 
The security of whatever little remained of Iraq’s infrastructure was not their business. But the security and safety of Iraq’s oil fields were. Of course they were. The oil fields were ‘secured’ almost before the invasion began.
 
 
Empire is on the move, and Democracy is its sly new war cry. Democracy, home-delivered to your doorstep by daisy-cutters. Death is a small price for people to pay for the privilege of sampling this new product: Instant-Mix Imperial Democracy (bring to a boil, add oil, then bomb).


Ali Ismail Abbas, 12: the freedom to not fly

But then perhaps chinks, negroes, dinks, gooks and wogs don't really qualify as real people. Perhaps our deaths don't qualify as real deaths. Our histories don't qualify as history. They never have.

Speaking of history, in these past months, while the world watched, the US invasion and occupation of Iraq was broadcast on live TV. Like Osama bin Laden and the Taliban in Afghanistan, the regime of Saddam Hussein simply disappeared. This was followed by what analysts called a "power vacuum". Cities that had been under siege, without food, water and electricity for days, cities that had been bombed relentlessly, people who had been starved and systematically impoverished by the UN sanctions regime for more than a decade, were suddenly left with no semblance of urban administration. A 7,000-year-old civilisation slid into anarchy. On live TV.

Vandals plundered shops, offices, hotels and hospitals.

 
 
Television tells us that Iraq has been ‘liberated’ and that Afghanistan is well on its way to becoming a paradise for women—thanks to Bush and Blair, the 21st century’s leading feminists.
 
 
American and British soldiers stood by and watched. They said they had no orders to act. In effect, they had orders to kill people, but not to protect them. Their priorities were clear. The safety and security of Iraqi people was not their business. The security of whatever little remained of Iraq's infrastructure was not their business. But the security and safety of Iraq's oil fields were. Of course they were. The oil fields were 'secured' almost before the invasion began.

On CNN and BBC the scenes of the rampage were played and replayed. TV commentators, army and government spokespersons portrayed it as a 'liberated people' venting their rage at a despotic regime. US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said: "It's untidy. Freedom's untidy and free people are free to commit crimes and make mistakes and do bad things." Did anybody know that Donald Rumsfeld was an anarchist? I wonder—did he hold the same view during the riots in Los Angeles following the beating of Rodney King? Would he care to share his thesis about the Untidiness of Freedom with the two million people being held in US prisons right now? (The world's 'freest' country has the highest number of prisoners in the world.) Would he discuss its merits with young African-American men, 28 per cent of whom will spend some part of their adult lives in jail? Could he explain why he serves under a president who oversaw 152 executions when he was governor of Texas?

Before the war on Iraq began, the Office of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance (ORHA) sent the Pentagon a list of 16 crucial sites to protect. The National Museum was second on that list. Yet the Museum was not just looted, it was desecrated. It was a repository of an ancient cultural heritage. Iraq as we know it today was part of the river valley of Mesopotamia. The civilisation that grew along the banks of the Tigris and the Euphrates produced the world's first writing, first calendar, first library, first city, and, yes, the world's first democracy. King Hammurabi of Babylon was the first to codify laws governing the social life of citizens. It was a code in which abandoned women, prostitutes, slaves, and even animals had rights. The Hammurabi code is acknowledged not just as the birth of legality, but the beginning of an understanding of the concept of social justice. The US government could not have chosen a more inappropriate land in which to stage its illegal war and display its grotesque disregard for justice.

At a Pentagon briefing during the days of looting, Secretary Rumsfeld, Prince of Darkness, turned on his media cohorts who had served him so loyally through the war. "The images you are seeing on television, you are seeing over and over and over, and it's the same picture, of some person walking out of some building with a vase, and you see it twenty times and you say, 'My god, were there that many vases? Is it possible that there were that many vases in the whole country?'."

Laughter rippled through the press room. Would it be alright for the poor of Harlem to loot the Metropolitan Museum? Would it be greeted with similar mirth?

The last building on the ORHA list of 16 sites to be protected was the Ministry of Oil. It was the only one that was given protection. Perhaps the occupying army thought that in Muslim countries lists are read upside down? Television tells us that Iraq has been 'liberated' and that Afghanistan is well on its way to becoming a paradise for women—thanks to Bush and Blair, the 21st century's leading feminists. In reality, Iraq's infrastructure has been destroyed. Its people brought to the brink of starvation. Its food stocks depleted. And its cities devastated by a complete administrative breakdown. Iraq is being ushered in the direction of a civil war between Shias and Sunnis. Meanwhile, Afghanistan has lapsed back into the pre-Taliban era of anarchy, and its territory has been carved up into fiefdoms by hostile warlords.

Undaunted by all this, on May 2, Bush the Lesser launched his 2004 campaign hoping to be finally elected US President. In what probably constitutes the shortest flight in history, a military jet landed on an aircraft carrier, the USS Abraham Lincoln, which was so close to shore that, according to the Associated Press, administration officials acknowledged "positioning the massive ship to provide the best TV angle for Bush's speech, with the sea as his background instead of the San Diego coastline". President Bush, who never served his term in the military, emerged from the cockpit in fancy dress—a US military bomber jacket, combat boots, flying goggles, helmet. Waving to his cheering troops, he officially proclaimed victory over Iraq. He was careful to say that it was "just one victory in a war on terror...(which) still goes on".

It was important to avoid making a straightforward victory announcement, because under the Geneva Convention a victorious army is bound by legal obligations of an occupying force, a responsibility that the Bush administration does not want to burden itself with. Also, closer to the 2004 elections, in order to woo wavering voters, another victory in the 'War on Terror' might become necessary. Syria is being fattened for the kill.

It was Herman Goering, that old Nazi, who said, "People can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.... All you have to do is tell them they're being attacked and denounce the pacifists for a lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

He's right. It's dead easy. That's what the Bush regime banks on. The distinction between election campaigns and war, between democracy and oligarchy, seems to be closing fast.

The only caveat in these campaign wars is that US lives must not be lost. It shakes voter confidence. But the problem of US soldiers being killed in combat has been licked. More or less.

At a media briefing before 'Operation Shock and Awe' was unleashed, General Tommy Franks announced, "This campaign will be like no other in history." Maybe he's right.

I'm no military historian, but when was the last time a war was fought like this?

After using the 'good offices' of UN diplomacy (economic sanctions and weapons inspections) to ensure that Iraq was brought to its knees, its people starved, half a million children dead, its infrastructure severely damaged, after making sure that most of its weapons had been destroyed, in an act of cowardice that must surely be unrivalled in history, the 'Coalition of the Willing' (better known as the Coalition of the Bullied and Bought) sent in an invading army!

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HAVE YOUR SAY
Jun 26, 2003 12:00 AM
139
tHIS IS ONE OF THE BEST SPEECHES I HAVE READ IN MY LIFE. MS ROY HAS TOUCHED OUR BLEEDING HEARTS (OF MUSLIMS). A WAKE UP CALL TO THE PEOPLE OF THE USA TO DELIVERS THEMSELVES FROM THEIR GOVERNMENT AND THE ZIONIST CABAL CONTROLLING IT. A CRY FOR JUSTICE.

IT RINGS LIKE THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT OF JESUS AND THE FAREWELL PILGRIMAGE OF THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PEACE BE UPON THEM)ON HUMAN RIGHTS AND DIGNITY IN FACE OF THE HOLLOW CALL OF PATRIOTISM (ANOTHER WORLD FOR NAZIZM AND FASICSM) I DEEPLY HOPE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL LISTEN TO THIS CALL

A HOPEFUL MUSLIM
SHAHUL HAMEED
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Jun 23, 2003 12:00 AM
138
Dear Arundhati,
While agreeing with the substance of what you say I wish to add that the full picture of the upcoming International Social Order is still not clearly evident in your writings as also in those of other authors.
I submit that the Indian society's structure, that of a rigid hierarchical social ord3er(caste System) counterbalanced by the eclectic and all encompassing religious philosophy(Sanatan Dharma) is inevitably going to be the shape of the Global Village Society.
The new society that shall shape up in the multicultural and economically multilayered global village over the next few generations shall be Linear and not multipolar etc. USA has all but donned the cultural and physical mantle of the new Brahmins/Kshatriyas. Others have to take their place in the pecking order as they get coopted. The Shudras of this order are currently being identified and slotted. Once that is done Caste System shall be in place and shall be every bit as resilient as the current system is in India.
In case you find the thesis cogent do contact me so that I can share the Idea in detail.
Thanks
Atul Chandra
Atul Chandra
Mumbai, India
Jun 14, 2003 12:00 AM
137
Arundhati has proved that her pen can be more explosive than the Empire's bombs. We need to spread this story to maximum number of people. Let the supporters of the empire know what they are supporting!
Rashmin Sanghvi
Mumbai, India
Jun 12, 2003 12:00 AM
136
Praveen Sinha of Bombay is the only one that makes sense.
Yeah, 400 people refusing to drink Coke is gonna really make US imperialists quake in their boots!
Fat chance.
Anitha
Kakinada, India
Jun 08, 2003 12:00 AM
135
Arundhati Ray's article (Instant Mix democracy. Buy one get one free) is quite as insightful and thought provoking one.
It makes you view America's recent military conquests (misadventures is what you feel after reading her speech) from a different angle than what most of the news media will have you believe.
It brings to light the collusion that exists between the American government and its corporate sector.
That people can really stoop to such low levels like going to war against a country just for the sake of getting contracts to rebuild what has been destroyed at first sounds incredulous.
But the fact that the Americans are still to find any trace of the wmd's which was their excuse to the world for waging the war do to a certain extent sunstantiate the accusation that the war was fought to prop up America's ailing weapons industry.

The courage and convictions with which she criticizes the U.S governments crime against humanity shall we say deserve to be admired .
Her article not only exposes to what extent America will go to achieve world hegemony and dictate its terms to the world with the U.N being a hapless observer but how the Bush administration hopes to divert attention from its domestic failures by manufacturing what could well turn out to be Bush junior's only success ,the murder of millions of people (put in other words the victory in the recent war against Iraq)
shantanu mullick
bangalore, india
Jun 07, 2003 12:00 AM
134
Mr BK Sarkar's comments about USA allowing a foreigner to take a shot at its policies don't mean anything, in my opinon. Even a dictator like Mushy doesn't give a damn and nor does the Bush Adminstration as long as the Bush-frendly media doesn't cover it, as has been the case. So, in my opinion there is no need to start singing songs about American democracy and freedom. The more somebody talks in these tones the more he sounds like George Bush in these unfortunate times.
Nihar Panda
Patchogue, USA
Jun 06, 2003 12:00 AM
133
Why no WMD's were found in Iraq?Saddam knew that inspectors were checking like anything and send them to jordan.
And there is no proof needed that saddam had WMD.He threw scud missiles at kuwait, which according to UN he should not have.Can you clarify,why he lied that he destroyed all missiles?
If he used nerve gas against kurds in 1992 after first gulf war, what happened to them after that?Did he turn a new leaf and destroy them?
Barbarian
New Delhi, India
Jun 06, 2003 12:00 AM
132
The Hypocricy of Mr. Bush's government can never be clearer. USA was the only nation that had used the Atom Bombs. USA was the only nation that had used the Chemical Weapons on a very large scale (in Vietnam). USA was the only nation that had threatened to use the Nuclear Weapons (during the heydays leading to the war on Iraq). Most of the bombs dropped on Iraq was actually WMDs even though they were not termed as WMD in the terminology of weapons. Mr. Bush was the only head of a nation that had ordered the head of another nation to leave his own country. So, WMDs are more dangerous under Mr. Bush or Mr. Saddam? Who is a greater dictator - Mr. Bush or Mr. Saddam? The intelligence available to Mr. Bush was so solid and acurate that Saddam's WMDs can be found as and when Mr. Bush's army march into Iraq. The failure to do so had compelled Mr. Bush to issue statement that it could be a long and difficult search. Mr. Rumsfelt had minced words that the WMDs could have been destroyed before the war started. So, why the war? Mr. Bush had now justified the war even if no WMDs were found in Iraq. USA and its stooges can invent any reason to go to war with anyone - a nation or an individual. So, what's next? American Empire (American Arrogance, American MNCs/TNCs, American Dominance) is on the roll.
Kamei M.
Shillong, India
Jun 04, 2003 12:00 AM
131
Its so very unfortunate that I could not attend the jublient speech of Ms. Arundati Roy. This is just another instance of being bold. I wish there were Hundreds of Arundati Roys who could deliver such a speech across the world.
Madhan Srinivasan
New York, USA
Jun 01, 2003 12:00 AM
130
Amazing! And how true!
Ajay Gupta
Burbank, USA
May 30, 2003 12:00 AM
129
SAMMUGAM,
To say that Rushdie never even heard of Shiv Sena only reveals your ignorance. I am sure you don't reads books (Moor's last sigh, for instance) or news about goings on.
Violence by the Hindu fundamentalists becomes an issue because lately parties in power have backed such violence. Gujarat riots is a case in point. One doesn't need to be pro-hindu, pro-Islam, or even pro-secularism in order to be anti-fundamentalism.
Rahul Singh
Lucknow, INDIA
May 30, 2003 12:00 AM
128
This Rahul Mullah's post just confirms how desperate these mullahs and p-secs really are. In order to say something, just anything, this chap is now talking about 'threats' against Rushdie from Shiv Sena, 'threats' no one (other than this chap himself) knows about.

How much more pathetic can you get?

Next time when you have a chance, try to ask Rushdie if he was in hiding because of Shiv Sena's threat. Chances are that he hasn't even heard of Shiv Sena let alone feel 'threatened' by them.
Sammugam
Chennai, India
May 29, 2003 12:00 AM
127
I again repeat that the basic thrust of Arundhati's arguements can be anti-American or anti Indian, because bothe the countries remain democracies and there is no real danger to her life from state sponsored agencies tracking or killing her.

It cannot be anti- islamic fundamantlism or anti Osama, anti- Kashmir terrorist or taliban. Because there is real danger that these vile evil forces can track her down and target her.

She, of course is scared of becoming another Salman Rushdie...

Some time back she led the agitation in Narmada to deny waters to the poor of Gujarat and electricity to the poor of Maharashtra, MP and Gujarat. It got her good international publicity as she projected herself as an individual fighting against a big dam. A david vs Goliath scenario. Who lost?

First the poor who were denied water for a decade. How many children died becuase of the denial of the basic right of water? How many women had to carry pitchers for miles in search of water? How many people were denied basic comforts of homes, electricty and waters? maybe somebody should compute the losses one day. And then the whopping increase of ten thousand crores in prject escalation costs has to be born by us, the innocent people of India. All because she wanted publicity.

I can request Arundhati Roy to concentrate on writing fiction, rather than write fiction in what she claims are long winded factual essays!
shalini gupta
delhi, india
May 29, 2003 12:00 AM
126
Kiran P in Hyderabad writes:

"Well Written!!! The Empire rolls on. But there's no need to despair. If History is any teacher, time brings correction. ... Legacies do not last forever. "

Alas, I don't think the "correction" will happen by itself. For an Empire to give up its plundering and looting, there have to be negative consequences. What kind of consequences (apart from terrorism, which is clearly too horrible) can those without power create to discourage empire? That is the question. I think of the Roman Empire, which ultimately collapsed because it spent more money on maintaining its military than what it was generating: just like the Soviet in the late 1980s. Similarly, if the US economy cannot afford such vast military expenditures, or if somehow one can make the maintenance more expensive for the US, then on its own the US military will either shrink or collapse.

Speaking of Rome, there is an analogy that comes to mind between soldiers fighting against Rome, versus soldiers fighting Rome inside the Coliseum as part of public entertainment. I would like to suggest that the binarism of debates (left vs right; conservative vs radical) in the US is a similar circus meant for public display, and that participating in such an entertainment automatically strengthens the empire regardless of what position one actually takes.

G. Vijayaraghavan in Chennai writes:

"It is all very good to hear. But life will go on. The impotent UN will organise more speeches in their General Assembly, sitting right in the middle of the evil empire. ... Why don't we too make cobalt bombs? If anyone tries to blackmail us with daisy cutters they should at least be aware ... "

I too feel this sense of hopelessness. Already the Iraq war is yesterday's news. We just forget and go on. I was talking to another South-Indian family here and saying "why can't we have another Gandhi and another boycott movement" and they said "yes, but what will be boycott - Gas? (Petrol?)". When it's a basic commodity like Petrol, people cannot boycott it. And basically this war and other wars in the future, will be waged to keep the oil flowing.
Arul Francis
Clayton, California
May 29, 2003 12:00 AM
125
Mr Rahul Singh,

If we do not want a bangladesh or Pakistan here,why were Taslima Nasreen and Rushdie denied entry to India?To please the muslim fundamentalists ,of course.

The Shiv sena protested a certain portrayal of its leader.What's wrong with that?Did the congress not protest a recent book on Nehru by burning it??

Hindu communalism,in it's present form,draws it's oxygen from the shameless defence and appeasement of the Muslim communalism.

We cannot be a bangladesh or Pakistan for all cases.It's not that if one writes against Hindu religion,we are going to be liberal and if one writes against Islam ,we are going to ban it promptly.

I hope u also read and think about some basic stuff before posting.Best regards,
Indian
, Hindustan
May 29, 2003 12:00 AM
124
Really? If you were 'against all fundamentalism' as you now conveniently claim, why do you lot always attack anything that has 'Hindu' written on it?

That 'Yes-yes-I-am-against-all-fundamentalism' line is an easy escape route when you are cornered, isn't it?
Sammugam
Chennai, India
May 28, 2003 12:00 AM
123
Sammugam and Shivkumar,
Yes, unfortunately Muslim fundamentalists have a significant presence in UK. I hope you realize that I am critical of fundamentalists of all religions.
Rahul Singh
, INDIA
May 28, 2003 12:00 AM
122
Was Ayatolla Khomeini a strong force in Britain, where Rushdie lived?

I also wish people who came to debate in these fora had the minimum common sense, before shooting off their mouth.
Sammugam
Chennai, India
May 28, 2003 12:00 AM
121
oops,
I meant to say 'Shiv sena is not a strong force where Rushdie lives'.
Rahul Singh
, INDIA
May 28, 2003 12:00 AM
120
INDIAN and Shivkuamr Sonkar,
My point is that we are not going make Iran or Bangladesh the model/basis for freedom of expression. Hence, I confine my discussion to India. If Indians value tolerance more than many other nations it is not because of groups like Shiv sena but despite them.
As per Rushdie and Shiv sena, Rushdie's "Moor's last sigh" didn't ridicule Hinduism the way "Satanic verses" reviles Islam. Rushdie merely lampoons one person - Thackery - through a character called 'Raman'. The only reason why Rushdie didn't go into hiding was because fortunately Shiv sena is a strong force where he lives.
I wish people read some basic stuff before entering a debate.
Rahul Singh
Lucknow, INDIA
May 28, 2003 12:00 AM
119
Rahul Miyan,

When I admit ignorance about the Shiv Sena's threat against Rushdie,it may also mean that the threat was not serious enough to warrant extensive media coverage.Could u pls let us know what exactly was Shiv Sena's threat to Rushdie?And pray tell me why we are not discussing Taslima or threats to Rushdie from Islamic thugs around the world but only a few agitations by the Shiv Sena.As I have already stated,if the Shiv Sena was so dangerous,then Dilip Kumar,Shabana Azmi,Javed Akhtar would not be living in Mumbai.
Indian
, Hindustan
May 28, 2003 12:00 AM
118
Rahul Singh,

Rushdie didn't go into hiding because of Shiv Sena. I am from Bombay and knows it.

Salman Rushdie was condemned to death by the former Iranian spiritual leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini on February 14,1989, after publishing SATANIC VERSES.

You may like to go to internet and search on any popular search engine and verify this fact.

Rushdie never hide because of Shiv Sena.
Shivkumar Sonkar
,
May 28, 2003 12:00 AM
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INDIAN from Hundustan,
We are not talking about Taslima Nasreen of Bangladesh or the ban on her books(Amar Meya Bela, Utal Hawa, etc). I am glad you admitted your ignorance about Shiv Sena's fury at Rushdie. It will be good for you to read about the controversy surrounding 'Moor's last sigh' before posting another message. Happy reading.
Rahul Singh
Lucknow, INDIA
May 27, 2003 12:00 AM
116
Rahul Mian,

I have not heard of any Shiv Sena threat to Rushdie.But assuming this was true,did Rushdie go into hiding 'coz of the Sena.The Sena might have protested but death threats are the exclusive jehadi domain.Otherwise ,Nisha-e-Pakistan Yousuf Khan would not be staying in Mumbai.Have u heard the name of Taslima Nasreen??

Get some common sense before posting banal stuff.
Indian
, Hindustan
May 26, 2003 12:00 AM
115
Shalini Gupta,
Salman Rushdie received death threats from the Hindu fundamentalists as well as from the Islamic fundamentalists. You are probably unaware of the hate campaign Shiv sena had launched in response to Rushdie's book "Moor's last sigh". Mumbai bookstores were so scared of the sena threats that they didn't store the book at all.
Rahul Singh
Lucknow, India
May 26, 2003 12:00 AM
114
Truth is out.Listen o whole world, o fellow citizens.
Arundhathi roy who talked so much about conserving nature,environment HAS BUILT A HOUSE IN A PROHIBITED FOREST AREA IN MADYA PRADESH.
Governemnt has asked her to vacate it.That area is PROHIBITTED FROM BUILDING HOUSES SINCE 1973.
ARUNDHATHI BUILT A HOUSE THERE IN 1995.
So much for narmadha and metha pathkar.
Isnt it so madam?
Narendra
Gandhi nagar, Gujarat
May 26, 2003 12:00 AM
113
Which is the real truth
---------------------------
Sir,
This is in response to ms Roys article"Instant mix Imperial Democracy.Buy One, Get One Free".
The apprehenssion shown by Ms Roy towards the propogandist attitude of the US media(during the Iraq war) has indeed brought the whole media community under suspicion.I dont understand why Ms Roy expects the whole world community to belive in what SHE wants to say.
Sanjay
Ranchi, India
May 26, 2003 12:00 AM
112
Ms Roy, Democracy is always hollow and it can only provide a framework for its citizens(the elected representative).Its too naive and farfetched to expect something drastic from democracy itself.
sanjay ojha
Ranchi, India
May 26, 2003 12:00 AM
111
Sublime, heartfelt and much-needed diction. Encore.
Pete
London, UK
May 25, 2003 12:00 AM
110
Excellent,Well said and worth a ponder by allconcentious individuals and groups
Lawrence B Nathan
Bangalore, India
May 25, 2003 12:00 AM
109
Madam SHALINI GUPTA,
Excellent analysis and Great comments!!
Keep up the good work.
Gareeb Chand
Prem Nagar,
May 24, 2003 12:00 AM
108
After the Salman Rushdie case it became obvious to all on how much a writer,journalist or citizen could criticise Islamic fundamentalists. You lost you arse and you life if you spoke against them. Entire governments the world over looked aside as the mad mulla brigade issued fatwas promising bounty to the killer of Rushdie.
Of course, what was done tor Rushdie was already happening to each and every citizen of most muslim dictatorships. A truth what had always existed...

the Rushdie example is necessary to understand the posturing of Arundhati and many or our so called pseuedo libersla.( psuedo liberals are different from true liberals as they are physical cowards). All pseuedo liberals chose safe targets. Don't talk about radical islam, the jehadi terrorist, Osama or the Kashmir terrorist. Not even the Lashkar, Jaish or other terror outfits.

After all there is real danger to your life if u mess up with these vile, evil mad forces.

Rusdie may hae been protected by a decent British government, but it si diffucult to believe that the Indian government can do the same for its intellectual forces. So for Arundhati Roy, Khuswant Singh, Vinod Mehta, Kuldeep nayar, Bidwai and lesser morons, Islamic fundamentalism can never be criticized, because you can become a Rushdie. The villians for them would always be great a great man like Togadia ( who is only one third as bad as Islamic fundos) or the great Thakeraey or BJP.

Cmon u morally cowrd chootiyas!!!!!! If you have any couraqge spek up against evil!! or don't speak at all. Because Togadia is bad. But only so much less than Evil Islamic arseholes who unleash terror on our Parliament and people.

But then you guys are too scare to talk because you dont want to become Salman Rushdie....
Shalini gupta
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May 24, 2003 12:00 AM
107
While war was on she was writing that the ancient babylonian culture was destroyed.How USA destroyed a 7000 year old civilization.
Can you explain whether that view is right now?Did the mesapatomia civilization die with an American war?Did the 40 million people there die in a war with USA?
Iraq survived the war with chengiskhan in 13 th century.He destryoed everything he saw.Even then none said that mesapatomian civilization was detroyed even when chengikhan killed more than 2.5 lakh Iraquis.
And yet you said that, now you comfortably have forgotten that.You think people have a short memory,dont you?
Arul karthi
Madurai, India
May 24, 2003 12:00 AM
106
This is yet another brilliant essay by Arundhati Roy, it packs in so much, but I think she should completely stop speaking in the U.S. because it gives them (Americans) the self-flattering satisfaction of being all-inclusive.

This is how individuals who are very different and who have a strong point of view get diluted and finally just digested. By inclusion, admiration.

Just think of Whoopi Goldberg, who used to be so radical and so powerful back in 1990. Now she's part of the Hollywood establishment and when she tries to be angry or naughty it just looks so pathetic. Look at Jane Fonda, who went to Vietnam and mocked America, and later apologized and apologized, and now is giving money to Harvard.

There *is* a place for radical voices in American (and I suppose every other) society. People love it: it's heady and intoxicating and gives people a rush, a thrill. They don't eliminate or silence radical voices, they just zone them. In Berkeley or San Francisco you can have all the protests and rallies you want, a couple of hours away are the big air force bases which are completely untouched.

Right now Roy is in danger of becoming America's prophet, preacher or court-jester. She should pull back.
Arul Francis
Clayton, California
May 24, 2003 12:00 AM
105
Courageous, outrageous. A brave if futile response to the Empire. Arundhati is Obi Van Kenobi of Star Wars. However some times I agree its good to be moral and fight for it.

The price of this is unvariably high, and the chances of sucess small.

I suppose its a very slim chance that the neo conservatives in the USA and the born again christian Tony Blair will ever read this .
Lalit Bagai
, Denmark
May 24, 2003 12:00 AM
104
He sounds very much like many Sangh fanatics I know. They have no problem in living in places like the US, yet constantly badmouth Americans or westerners and their religion.
Utpal Sen
san francisco, us
May 23, 2003 12:00 AM
103
My opinion of Ms Arundhati Roy has changed drastically! I thought she was another India-baiter who wanted instant fame. This article shows she has a lot more depth than I could fathom. Congratulations Ms Roy! You need to lead people like me into doing things which will prevent such catastrophies in future. (Will it take 200 years ? Fine, that's not much as compared to 7000!)
Ashutosh Joshi
Mumbai, India
May 23, 2003 12:00 AM
102
No wonder she got applause from pakistanis in New york
sammugam
chennai, india
May 23, 2003 12:00 AM
101
She is cunning and the people who abuse her are more fools.
She writes for money,outlook publishes it for money,you people buy it,read it an abuse her.
Whos fool?She laughs her way to bank.
Best way is to ingore her.Why dont you do that?
indian
taxila, india
May 23, 2003 12:00 AM
100
If one more article of hers gets published,I will stop reading, this website.I swear.Its sickening beyond limits.Helpppppppppppppppppp
Blue bird
Ontario, canada
May 23, 2003 12:00 AM
99
Guys stop writing about her.Its sickening to see her write trash, but even more sickening is you people abusing her.
Mothi Ram
Chandigarh, India
May 23, 2003 12:00 AM
98
11 pages sheer waste and trash.Horrible,horrendous.
Vipul
Ahmedabad, India
May 23, 2003 12:00 AM
97
Arundhati's article was written with style and aplomb, but....

I was not convinced.

Somehow her voice never comes up when the problem exists. Like it does in Kashmir, where the Hindus have been butchered and thrown out of the state; Or for the poor Pakistani people whose democratic rights have been trampled upon and have had to live under successive military dictators. Where the minorities have been converted or killed. Or for the women of Saudi Arabia and other Middle eastern countries.

her voice is heard only when there is no risk to her life. And where she can get good international publicity...
sahalini gupta
delhi, delhi
May 23, 2003 12:00 AM
96
Good reading....I also took the pain to read through a lot of the comments posted. Some even went to the extent of reaching wild conclusions like Mrs Roy supports Saddam and Bin Laden. I had to read the speech again, but could not find a single line that even vaguely suggested that Ms Roy supported these Islamist fundamentalists. But then these comments are mostly fuelled by hate and not by reason..

Mark Twain had written about war yeras back which is relavent even today even in the context of the war in Iraq. Here's a sample

" The loud little handful - as usual - will shout for the war. The pulpit will - warily and cautiously - object... at first. The great, big, dull bulk
of the nation will rub its sleepy eyes and try to make out why there should be a war, and will say, earnestly and indignantly, "It is unjust and
dishonorable, and there is no necessity for it." Then the handful will shout louder. A few fair men on the other side will argue and reason against the war with speech and pen, and at first will have a hearing and be applauded, but it will not last long; those others will outshout them, and presently the antiwar audiences will thin out and lose popularity. Before long, you will see this curious thing: the speakers stoned from the platform, and free speech strangled by hordes of furious men... Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception."
Mark Twain, from his story "The Mysterious Stranger"

Shaji
Los Angeles, USA
May 23, 2003 12:00 AM
95
Mr. SHIVKUMAR SONKAR
May we know the source of this data of 89%?
Mirza Faisal
Houston, US
May 23, 2003 12:00 AM
94
I remember Vinod Mehta comparing U S and allied forces attack on Iraq like " Swatting a fly" and criticising the attack.Don't Vinod Mehta and Roy know that the fly was carrying a germ of a deadly epidemic? It has rightly been swatted and well in time.

Pravin Desai
Cleveland, USA
May 23, 2003 12:00 AM
93
Mr Vikram Bajaj and Mr PS,

If you want to say that Hindus were not the victims of riots in Ahmedabad,Gujrat and only
muslims were the victims then i do not wish to argue anymore because you guys are talking without proper information,data and logic.

Let me inform you guys that 89% of the riots were not started by Hindus after the independence.

Shivkumar Sonkar
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May 23, 2003 12:00 AM
92
Mr PS

FYI.....
Perhaps i am more qualified, more secure,earning more than you.

If you have guts start discussion on any Scientific Theory also.

I do not belong to any organization.
Shivkumar Sonkar
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May 23, 2003 12:00 AM
91
When you have Arundhati Roy living in India, who needs enemies? We should not give her any attention, or maybe worth a NEw York minute. Hey Arundhati, go live among your friends, Talibans, A-rabs, and Muslims. We all will be better off without you and your likes.
uday tate
Colombus, Ohio, USA
May 23, 2003 12:00 AM
90
Vikram Bajaj,

Thank you so much for sharing opinion but let me inform you that i do not agree with you.

I have seen the RSS worker's effort for our motherland India for many years. There is no organization available in India whose patriotism can be equated with RSS.

If someone is disputing me, i request him to talk with supporting logical ground.

I am against any sectarian agenda based on language, regional identities and caste based identites as it weakens our Great India.
Shivkumar Sonkar
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May 22, 2003 12:00 AM
89
SHIVKUMAR SONKAR,
The issue is not about the nature of groups such as VHP, Shiv Sena, RSS etc, but about their activities. I come from a devout Hindu family, but I will tell you that those groups, working in tandem, have caused accute embarassement to all the true hindus regarding issues such as Ayodhya. And they did it merely for political gains. As per Gujarat: there is a clear difference between Godhra and the riots - the former was undertaken by a few criminals, the latter was organized with the backing of people in power, including Narendra Modi.
Vikram Bajaj
Boston, US
May 22, 2003 12:00 AM
88
Blacks constitute 29% of American soldeirs,so its genocide claims Arundhathi.I repeat, this is bull shit.None forced blacks to go to army.An American soldeirs job is the safest in the world, compared to any country.Less than a 1000 soldeirs died in 1990 to 2003 in war, including gulf war I,II and Afghanisthan.
Priya dixit
salem, India
May 22, 2003 12:00 AM
87
Friends, Arundhati, outlook, ndtv and the likes in our country are just trying to be different & make money out of it! hell with these people!,

KL
KL, Malaysia
May 22, 2003 12:00 AM
86
See, her further comments.She says "Appointing auswitz for agricultural commission is like appointing saddam for guarding human rights."
And he is the man she supports.She knows he is a human rights killer.And yet she is against a war against him.
She says "American defense council doesnt make its recommendations public."Wow,what an idea.Next she will ask USa to put it on website.All the files in pentagon and its spy list should be made public.What a demand?What a brain?
She also complaisn that American media is in the hands of a few corporations.So she now proposes against freedom to own stockk from newspapers.Why not fight for a law that bans companies from buying newspaper stock?
Rubbish to the core.Thats what this article is about.
She ends the article by inviting AMERICANS TO BOYCOTT AMERICAN PRODUCTS.GENIUS,AINT SHE?
Priya dixit
salem, india
May 22, 2003 12:00 AM
85
"Saddam killed a million Iraquis.USa killed only a couple of thousands." So what's this blabbering about?
Priya dixit
Salem, India
May 22, 2003 12:00 AM
84
The greatest Son et Lumiere show of the Millenium has climaxed with the establishment of the West's hegemony over the world's largest source of cheap ,low sulphur crude .

Fuelled by such a cornucopia ,the Thousand Year Bachanale -for the US , Europe and for their Business Associates & Camp Followers from all over the world - is all set to roll.

The short sharp Campaign was an unqualified triumph for the Pentagon Planners:the objectives were attained with optimum efficiency with only a few thousand Iraqis being killed or maimed-an acceptable level of collateral damage .
R JK Thomas
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May 22, 2003 12:00 AM
83
Blacks constitute 29% of American soldeirs,so its genocide claims Arundhathi.I repeat, this is bull shit.None forced blacks to go to army.An American soldeirs job is the safest in the world, compared to any country.Less than a 1000 soldeirs died in 1990 to 2003 in war, including gulf war I,II and Afghanisthan.
This stupid argument was raised by black leaders in 1980's itself.But they realsied that this was stupid logic and stopped that argument.This is more or less like there are more sikhs in indian army.
If we compare percentage of sikhs and percentage of sikh soldeirs there will be a huge gap.
So can we call them as genocide victims? We cannot.
Ramki
New jersey, usa
May 22, 2003 12:00 AM
82
Lo and behold ,the lady has risen phoenix-like from the ashes ,a diva hitting the High C's ; her overwhelmingly Western audiences sit through her bravura performances absolutely mesmerised ,lapping up her profound platitudes as though they were the very Gospel truth.

The closest parallel History has to offer is the joyous radio messages that raced across the world, heralding the return of Churchill to the helm of affairs .
Ranjith Thomas
Bangalore, India
May 22, 2003 12:00 AM
81
Vikram Bajaj,
Let me inform you that RSS,VHP and Shiv Sena falls under different types of organization as mentioned below:
Shiv Sena - A Political Party
VHP- A Religious Organization for Hindus
RSS- A Highly Patriotic Social Organization
On which ground you classified them in one category i am not able to understand.
Most of the people who are the followers of RSS ideology are highly qualified from reputed Indian Institution and Western countries. They know what is patriotism and secularism. Nobody needs to teach them.
They also understands how religious sentiment affects boundary of a Nation.
To analyze these sentiments, read and analyze the events in former Soviet Union,China and Iraq.
I believe we should focus our discussion related to the speech made by Arundhati Roy.
Arundhati Roy during the interview said that Gujrat Government and CM Modi supervised the murder of muslims.
She should have known that Gujrat riots were the repercursion of Godhra. During Gujrat riots lots of Hindus were also dead.
To my opinion the people who thinks that only minority communities were the victims of riots,they belong to the group of Psuedo Secularists. This is one example of Psuedo Secularist mindset.
Shivkumar Sonkar
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May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
80
SHIVKUMAR SONKAR,
The biggest threat to India is religious fundamentalism. Currently, that threat is from groups such as: VHP, RSS, Shiv Sena, etc. "pseudo-secularism' is an excuse used by those groups to promote their sectarian agenda.
Vikram Bajaj
Boston, US
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
79
RAMKI, NEW JERSEY, USA,
Arundathi Roy is correct in saying that the blacks in the US who are only 12% of population make up for 29% of the armed forces. How would you know that US soldier job is the safest in the world? I have lived in America for over 23 years and know numerous families with military connections. A. Roy is right on with her comments about discrimination. You might want to do some how work before posting a message.
Amar Singh
Chicago, US
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
78
Arundathi Roy is a matter pride for India; she is well informed, insightful, articulate. It is unfortunate that there are a lot of morons from India who cannot comprehend how brilliant she is.
Pratap Kumar
Hyderabad, India
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
77
Mr Sinha,

Please mind your language.

Kindly learn to read and write properly.

I never said that i don't believe in Secularism.
People of India are seeing the result of Psuedo Secularism. Majority of Indians are suffering from one or another reasons. It is only because of Psuedo Secularist guys like you who are misusing Indian democracy for their own benefit.
Shivkumar Sonkar
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May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
76
I didn't read the article fully .
Why ??
Because Arundhati Roy invents a lots of lies.
Do you remember the great lie when she claimed Ehsan Jafri's daughter was raped and killed in Gujrat riot ??

One sincere request to Arundhati Roy : Be concise , your verbose articles are really boring. Just learn a few tips from V.S. Naipaul or Amitabh Ghosh.

Another question : What is stopping this madam writing anything on Kashmir ? Half a million Hindus
have been driven out from Kashmir , their voices are not heard because they have no guns. 80000 Hindus were slaughtered in Kashmir. Our intellectuals failed this people.


Millions of Arundhati Roy can do nothing about Kashmir. We need a single Geroge W Bush to end the
problem. India should follow the American example. None is anyone's friend forever. As long as Iraq was with America , America was happy with them. When Iraq started creating problems for Ameraica , they become the enemy number one for America. That is the great thing. We Indian should follow the
same lines . George W Bush is always ready to kill enemies of his countries. Americans are more important for him than winning elections. While in India , for winning elections Congress , CPI or Janata dals can sell the country , they import voters from Bangaldesh !

We need some strong leaders like George W Bush who will go after enemies and kill them. Terrorism
can be and will be dealt firmly by the likes of George W Bush . Likes of Arundhati Roy will never dare to utter single word against Jaish-E-Mohhammad .


7000 years old civiliztion of Iraq !! What a joke !!! That civilization stopped progressing around 800 years back . Now the Mulladoms of Islamic world
emnates nothing but medieval darkness ! Now all greatest scientific discoveries , breakthoughs are made in USA , Japan , Russia , England and China .
Mullas are the real culprits ,enemies of civilizatrion !! They would have made Arundhati wear Borka !!!!



Again like Donald Rumsileld we Indians should not care much about "facts". 5 LAKH Hindus are driven out from Kashmir ! The dogs who did this are to be slaughtered . Arundhati Roy may cry hoarse ! But who cares ! George W Bush coolly ignored his critics ! He has done the right for America ! He signals danger for all enemies of America ! See how
Iran and Syria is behaving now and you will know George W Bush means danger to the enemies of America !! We wish India will have such leaders too.
P Singh
London, UK
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
75
She just stopped short of saying Bush himself bombed WTC.
Say that also madam.Feel no shame.there is outlook to publish it also.
vashist
gurgaon, india
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
74
11 pages for Iraq war?Everything written here i have read in hindu and frontline and outlook already.Nothing new.Boring.Change topic madam.
Why dont you write about "why should bush and BJP lose 2004 elections?"
A.M.Raja
mysore, india
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
73
I voted her "1" in the outlook article column.I wanted to bring her ratings down.I signed off and opened a new window every time and voted.
That was cheating i agree.But imagine my surpise, when every time i did that her ratings showed 7.84 only.Outlook has rigged it.Her earlier piece, mesapotomia got very poor ratings.It was 5.4 something.She must have requested outlook to rig her polls
sindbad
Pune, india
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
72
Waste of money and time.Why is she given such importance in outlook?
Dont publish such outlandish bluffs
deena dayal
Panderpur, india
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
71
You did saddam huessein proud madam.Even he could not have defended himself so aptly.
Why dont you start similair campaigns supporting hitler, osama and polpat?
janaki vallap
patna, india
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
70
Shameless repeated articles.Doesnt she ever tire out?
Do you know why she spoke in New york?New york has the highest number of pakistani taxi drivers.This clever woman also priced tickets so cheaply( ref:oprologue for this article given in outlook)so that the pakistani drivers can afford it.
Her trip was fully sponsored by pakistani lobby is USA.It would be interesting to notice that the same lobby earlier hosted shankar singh vahela,sonia and musharraf when they visited pakistan.
She also wrote in pakistani daily "dawn".She recieved a fat sum for it.This article was shown live in American TV's.Can you imagine? Will anyone show it live?It was done for money.Her trip was a well planned publicity coup.
Dhanesh
Mumbai, india
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
69
This woman wrote in pakistani news paper Dawn about Hindu terrorists.She had such a huge reception and awesome reception at pakistan.
All the readers of dawn wrote about their anguish at gujarathi killers and why still narendra modi wasnt arrested.
Her article converted even the pakistani supporters of india to jihadis.Such are her skills.We dont need enemies from outside.She and subramanya swami are sufficient
Sollia vannam seitha perumal
kancheepuram, india
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
68
Why is USA giving visa to such women?
naveen
Bangalore, India
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
67
How does someone like Arundhati Roy with such a small head carry so much poison? She certainly needs to see a psychiatrist.
sollia vannam Seith Perumal
madurai, india
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
66
Every country that attacked india suffered.Persia did that first.Now they were bombed by USA.Before that they were ransacked by genghis khan.
Afghanisthan did that.But now they live a beggers life.
Arabia did that.It now lives under tyranny and poverty.England captured india.It did not suffer since it wasnt inhuman like jihadis.But still as a punishment it lost its super power status.
Only pending country is china.It will go the russian way
jai shankar
new delhi, india
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
65
This woman thinks that she has achieved something by keeping stupid titles to articles.Last one she titled like "mesapatomia, babylon" now she goes as "Buy one, get one free:democracy."
This is cinematic.It reminds me of a neighbour named as kumaran.His age was 80.By simply calling a duck as peacock it cannot become a peacock.
Why is her article getting such importance in outloook? I also request the nationalist brothers not to take this female seriously.
She is utterly useless.Hopeless brains and attitude she has.She is a christian basically.Her original name is margaret roy.She writes poisonous stuff
arul karthi
Madurai, india
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
64
Idiots like Shivkumar Sonkar thinks just because they don't believe in secularism, anybody who believes in it are pseudo. The problem with people like him is that they are PSEUDO Hindus, scoundrels taking their last or only refuge in religion as well as pseudo patriotism
sinha
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May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
63
The problem with writers such as A. Roy is that they are always dreaming of a utopian wrold. Unfortunately for them and indeed for the rest of us, thats not quite how it works. I would be glad to read her articles and books if she would drop these philosophical arguments like "love instead of hate" and presented an analysis based on facts and suggested a practical solution.
Ar
Delhi, India
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
62
Which war got Un sanction?did india invade bangladesh and create a seperate country from paksitan with Un sanctions?
Ms.Roy seems to not to have learnt a lesson from the fiasco in iraq and afghanisthan.USA invaded Iraq not for oil.Iraq has only 15 biullion revenue in oil per annum and has 400 billion dollar loans.This 15 billion revenue is peanuts to usa.
saddam is growing evil.Ms.Roy mentions how can an impoverished nation attack USA?But how did Afghanisthan under USama attack WTC?Impoversihed nations are the greatest threat to world peace.
Libiya,palestine,north korea are examples.

sollia vannam seitha perumal
kancheepuram, india
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
61
It is all very good to hear. But life will go on. The impotent UN will organise more speeches in their General Assembly, sitting right in the middle of the evil empire. Remember, Americans will only respect strength, the type which Mao ze Dong said 'flows from the barrel of a gun'. That is why America is more wary of China and hardly ever messes with that country.

Why don't we too make cobalt bombs? If anyone tries to blackmail us with daisy cutters they should at least be aware that we have the capability to vaporise a few hundreds of thousands of their citizens within the batting of an eyelid and make their cities unlivable for a few centuries? The cowards who lead our country must execrcise their pea-brains instead of raking in American bribes and crumbs.
G. Vijayaraghavan
Chennai, India
May 21, 2003 12:00 AM
60
Mr Purnendu Sinha,

I need not use anybody's name to write any meaningful comments. You read all my opinions carefully.
You will find a common trend in these articles.

I am Pro India, Pro Hindu and anti Psuedo Secularists. Please understand that over the period of time the meaning of Patriotism has been changed in India. This is the reason why Indians are suffering in Kashmir and North East States.
Anti national elements have started dreaming again for further division of India based on religion. These elements have armed themselves with a very powerful weapon called "voting".

I invite great thinkers in this forum to discuss their views with supporting logic, evidence and examples.
Our country is facing the greatest challenge due to the guys who undermined Hinduism in the past.
They have created a big army of Psuedo Secularist Scholars in India. If these folks
join this forum with their weird logic, we will give them befitting reply with supporting logic and evidence.
Shivkumar Sonkar
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May 20, 2003 12:00 AM
59
Well Written!!! The Empire rolls on. But there's no need to despair. If History is any teacher, time brings correction. All because of pride, greed, skin colour, lust and man's denial in recognizing his own mortality. Legacies do not last forever. Slavery and complete Extermination of human life is perhaps, the only acceptable outcome of the players in the "War On Terror".
Kiran P
Hyderabad, India
May 20, 2003 12:00 AM
58
Yo antbrain mr. Tatebate,

Take your own advice and post intelligently before advising anybody else. What does Boston Red Sox have got to do with anything you simpleton and ultra idiot?
jj
boston,
May 20, 2003 12:00 AM
57
I dont know why Ms.Arundhathi roy speaks what she knows to be blatant lies?Why is she supporting tyrants like saddam and usama?
I have no doubts.If hitler is alive today and a world war breaks out,she will support hitler.Am i right madam?
Jai shankar
New delhi, india
May 20, 2003 12:00 AM
56
Yo, JJ from Boston,

Maybe you lost your pea-brain watching too much of Boston Red Soxs, the losers. I have never challenged anyone's patriotism for criticizing USA. All I suggested was that thing known as Arundhati Roy is a typical left-wing hypocrite. If she is so deadly against USA's policies on Iraq, Taliban, and the rest of Islamics, why doesn't she live among her beloved people of Araba and Muslim world? Why live in Harlem, enjoy the fruits of democracy, and act like an idiot? Yo, JJ, hope you read carefully and respond intelligently and not with emotions...
Uday Tate
Columbus, Ohio, USA
May 20, 2003 12:00 AM
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Madam, to write like US army has 29% blacks, who are just 12% of the population, and so USA is using its blacks to do dirty job...it is the most stupidest argument i have ever heard in my life.
An American soldier job is the safest in the world.And in my country every youth has to do compulsary army training.The casualities in war of American soldiers is the lowest in the world.
Imagine just 168 soldiers died in first gulf war.
And American blacks prefer army jobs since in peaceful times that gives a good pay.And wars in USA are rare.Only we will attack others to create a war.None will attack us.
Blacks in USA prefer mostly police jobs,blue collar jobs and army.They are genetically capable of that job.Like how Indians are genetically capable of excelling in skill jobs like software,chess,medicine etc.
Can i say that India has a higher percentage of sikhs in army? Can i say india is using them for dirty jobs?I cannot.Sikhs are most suitable for that job.Similiar is the reason for blacks excelling in American army.
we dont just give them cheap dirty jobs.Remember colin powell?
Ramki
New Jersey, usa
May 20, 2003 12:00 AM
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This is in response to Uday Tate's message. Mr Tate, like many other idiots, has decided that if someone criticizes American policies or actions, he/she is anti-American. From where the hell did you guys get brains that is capable of such marevelous thinking? One does not have to be anti-American for those reasons. Assuming for arguements sake, someone is, there is no reason why he/she shouldn't be making money off them either. In fact, isn't that something that Americans themselves practice?
j.j.
boston,
May 20, 2003 12:00 AM
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Thank you for summing up this moment, this dark moment brought on by the American power elite on its push to control the world, and the possibility for reversal that we, the people, still hold in our hands. May we not miss this chance!
Christina Svane
Hatfield, USA
May 20, 2003 12:00 AM
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Attaboy Arun! Couldn't have said it better...Nobody wants to be a flag-bearer for any particular ideology, especially ones that the Neo-cons hold (who, by the by, were an offshoot of the Democratic Party in the 60s, "liberals mugged by reality" Irving Kristol called them!) as it's so untested and risky...But the selective quoting of facts to push their own agenda and the shrill, "blinkers on" view of these lefty intellecuals is so amazingly dense and unreflective, that one is forced to look at Neo-con and "rightist" thought more closely to make sense of this new post-communist world...
Just a few examples of the selective quoting of facts by Ms. Roy:

In her book, Baghdad become a "7000 year-old civilzation destroyed by the Americans in a few days"...Never mind that from the end of the 12th century, after the fall of the caliphate to the murderous hordes of the Mongols from Central Asia, to the late 18th century capture of Baghdad by the Ottomans, Baghdad, and indeed Iraq, was just an arid, wasteland...

American state legislatures are cutting $75 billion in expenditure while Bush has asked for $80 billion from Congress to help pay for Iraq's reconstruction...Never mind that state expenditures, in the go-go late 90s, rose almost 15% compounded annually in REAL terms, and fiscal discipline was something that the states had coming, one way or the other...(BTW, $80 billion is less than 1% of the US economy's ANNUAL output!)...
African-Americans, she says, make up 29% of the army while are just 12% of the population...And then she uses this "fact" alongwith her endless whining of how the minorities in America are going to be the end payers for this war because of cuts in social spending by the government...Never mind that quite a few of the African-Americans in that 29% are reservists, and amongst personnel on active duty, the figures are much more representative of the American ethnic and racial profile...And about social spending cuts, that is for the US citizens to decide of how they want to spend their tax money...Of which, 50% is paid by the top 5% of taxpayers, while they earn just 28% of the national income...Can we expect Ms. Roy to be mouth- splutteringly indignant about this fact? I'm not holding my breath...

About the rightist bent in the American and British media, if one follows this link (http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2003/03/kelly.h tm), one can realize what a bunch of hogwash this assertion by these armchair liberals is...

One could go on and on, but obviously everybody, including the likes of Ms. Roy, are aware of these facts, but instead of debating these issues in proper perspective, they are more interested in free publicity on the backs of the suffering of common people, like those of Iraq, and elsewhere...The fall of communism has given rise to a dangerous world in which old ethnic and religious rivalries have once again gained strong curency without any artificial forces obstructing them...Most of these rivalries and hatreds, are ill-conceived and ill-directed, but in the absence of somebody with immense power at its disposal these can, and will, destroy wide swaths of the globe...Is the US that entity to do it, to be the global keeper of the order? I don't know...but demonising the most progressive, free and advanced nation in the world, which has a big heart, and purse strings to match, does very little to advance the debate...
J Shah
WI, USA
May 20, 2003 12:00 AM
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Can we use the "P" word? Has Roy ever done her own research or written something original? Can 'The Nation' sue her for plagarism or has she got rights to quote from their articles? Can the Indian army sue her for defamation when she claims that India has thousands of non-combatant prisoners? Can Outlook print articles from the new left - Hitchens in particular - instead of the tired, old & unconsequential rants from the Saids, Chomskys and Tariq Ali's?

Questions, questions...
Arun
Cupertino, USA
May 20, 2003 12:00 AM
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Leftist activists must be using some sort of global template. Take articles from The Nation (www.thenation.com), add a liberal dose of anti-globalization viewpoints, support tyrannical dictators and Islamic fundamenalists, hate your country (India, US, Israel) and bash the free market economy. Roy has done well to add one more bullet to that long laundry list. She has quoted Amartya Sen out of context (http://www.harvard-magazine.com/archive/00ja/ja00 .sen.html). Additionally, she does not offer an panacea to increase the standard of living of African Americans. She also fails to mention that Bechtel is the largest construction company in the world and its reputation is well founded. Roy fits Freidman's classic definition of 'superempowered terrorists'. She uses the internet, American economy (guess who pays for her rants!), American & Indian democracy in an effort to undermine all of that.

Arun
Arun
Cupertino, CA
May 19, 2003 12:00 AM
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I think Outlook India (on-line edition) has rendered a great service by covering this speech of Ms Roy's. I managed to see it on CSPAN courtesy of OI's timely tip.

The speech seemed to have been extremely well-received by the audience. The Lannan Foundation CEO called her 'a Renaissance woman', high praise indeed which evokes comparisons with the likes of Maya Angelou. The conversation with Zinn was rather boring, thanks to his ponderous style.

I thought her presentation was crisp and artful even if she did not offer any new insights. I feel the reason for this is she is neither a politician nor an intellectual. She is a writer turned activist. So the speeches while being very interesting would naturally be full of truisms. I felt she overdid the demure princess bit. Also, her make-up was awful. It melted and was flowing all over her face. Bad atta? :)

None of the local media covered this event. Not the NY Times, NY Post, Washington Post or for that matter, the Christian Science Monitor. This should not surprise anyone. The NY Times, for example, did not cover the news that Sharon's government killed nearly 45 people in the territories in the last 10 days. Even the Israeli papers do! But the NY Times would dutifully front page Palestinian acts of violence.

Unfortunately Ms Roy's detractors in this column have not resorted to any worthwhile criticism beyond some street level name calling. This I feel is an insult to OI.

I feel OI online edition is a balanced magazine with extremely high journalistic standards. It is fast emerging as a mature Indian reader's one stop bookmark. I don't miss India Today (anyway I think it is a party organ) nor Frontline which is a one man orchestra.

Lakshmi Srinivas
Novi, MI, USA
May 19, 2003 12:00 AM
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There are some third rate politicians in Tamilnadu.They will stand in meeting and give high pitched speeches.They will call Indian prime minister names and challenge him.The crowd will cheer in thrill.
Arundhathi is doing that internationally.As if this female can take USA to task.But I have to accept.She looks funny when she jumps up and down after being nose cut.It reminds me of reading Outlook and fronline after gujarat results.They stood up with a bleeding nose and pretended as if everything went according to plan.
Or better, the Iraqui information minister who even when USA was in his office, was threatening USA, he is the right match for madam roy.They both are like brother and sisters.make good fun to watch them scream and shout.
priya dixit
salem, India
May 19, 2003 12:00 AM
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Why is she keeping on spreading venom about USA?USA doesnt give a damn about what she raves and rants.Some sort of people have a grudge against USA.She is one of them.
Best way to punish a liar is to ignore her.Let us ignore her
priya dixit
salem, india
May 19, 2003 12:00 AM
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Just go to Iraq.Give a lecture there about benefits of saddam rule and how USa as wrong in invading Iraq.See what reception you will get madam.
I am sick and fed up of her blatant lies.She keeps on muttering lies about USA everywere.She thinks that if she continually tell a lie it will become truth.
Truth came out the moment Outlook published an article titled "Why the anti war campaign was right."
It was forced to defend its misfired stand on war.But it is a pity that outlook did not learn a lesson from that fiasco.
priya dixit
salem, india
May 19, 2003 12:00 AM
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Kudos! Arundhathi. You have a done a wonderful job. The article is really marvelous. Arundhati has effectively revealed the nefarious motives behind the war and attracts world’s attention on the rape of humanity in name of democracy, freedom and equality.
Balakrishnan. M. Iyer
Al Ain, United Arab Emirates
May 19, 2003 12:00 AM
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I never knew that we also had intelligence experts in our country. M'am, as far as your views about supporting puppet governments are concerned, they are true but they are doing it because they have the power to do it. As it is said "Might is right in International Politics", one is only respected if he is powerful and nations cannot be run with your type of thinking.
Conflictstudies
, India
May 19, 2003 12:00 AM
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Mr Tejas Patel is way off!! Every one of these atrocities have seen the US as an active, behind the scenes perpetrator. The US was behind the killings of the Kurds.
Unfortunately, people's memories are so short that it helps tyrants like Bush and Blair further their blood lust.
Everytime these brutal "non-leaders" get a chance, they support a puppet government, that kills its own people. They are trying it very hard in Pakistan now. Because once you control the dictator, you control the entire country.
sreela
Gurgaon, India
May 19, 2003 12:00 AM
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A moving speech with no effect. It's my observation that Outlook has gone out of the way to promote this kind of self-styled activists who always indulge themselves in America bashing everytime there is an American action. I WANT TO MAKE ONE THING CLEAR HERE, I AM NOT SUPPORTING AMERICAN ACTION NOR SUBSCRIBING TO MRS ROYS VIEWS. I just want to say that where was this lady when thousands of Kurds were slaughtered in Iraq or citizens were being killed in Africa, Asia or Yugoslavia. Its only when United States entrers the fray that this kind of activists stand up and start chanting the slogans of Democracy and Human rights. There is no doubt that Unites States have always acted to serve its own national interests everywhere and that is no wrong thing given the practices of International Politics. THE BOTTOMLINE IS THAT NOBODY IS CLEAN, BUT SUCH ACTIVISTS SHOULD ALSO STAND UP WHEN ATROCITIES ARE COMMITTED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD THAT DOES NOT INLCUDE US.
Tejas Patel
Brisbane, Australia
May 19, 2003 12:00 AM
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Sir,
It is not as if Arundhati Roy has said anything new. Yet it is not as if every word she says is not true. The US has become the naked emperor – shameless and vane. Democracy is its fig leaf. But that provides it no cover anymore. The ugly face of the cowardly Americans is there for all to see.

While Democracy is America’s whore no doubt, Ms Roy forgets the pimp: Israel. Every time Ariel Sharon rolls into the Gaza strip – on the imported US tanks – to shoot, bomb and massacre children, pregnant women and innocent Palestinian people, it is part of the war against terror. However, every time the Palestinians retaliate and blow themselves up – in rage, revenge, unfathomable anguish at the loss of their innocent families – it is a terrorist attack!!

And the Western Media sings along. Who is the terrorist? It is easy to count Hitler’s victims. Who will count the millions killed by the “coalition of the willing”? Can this coalition end those attacks, stop those who are ready to blow themselves up for a moment of retribution? People of the so called “Free World” should think. Their leaders do not have the capability anymore.
Gajendra
New Delhi, India
May 19, 2003 12:00 AM
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These days, polarization is the name of the game, epitomised by "either you are with us, or against us" logic. So either you are with the "free world", or you are against the "evil empire". 99% of all articles fall into one of these extremes.

But the truth, as always, lies somewhere in between. That Ms Roy has been able to make this speech says something about a core value called "freedom of expression". Why did she not try a similar anti-establishment speech in Saddam's Iraq or Pakistan? That her views are heard is in itself a luxury unavailable in many parts of this world.

Excuse me, I'm not a supporter of the Iraq war or the newfound thesis of "preemptive action" either. Of course, these stink. But it's only because people in democracies think their duty ends with voting every few years, and the elected have a divine right to do as they like for a full term. Real democracy can only come when the people know, and use their right to impeach & recall. Real democracy can only come with a system of checks & balances that ensures that a cabal of individuals/organizations does not hijack the country (or the world) unopposed.

If America has a populace that will reelect Bush & co. next year, has a judiciary that declared him elected after what happened in the election, and has a media which is allowed to manufacture public opinion to-order, then it is a failure of the nation as a system. Nothing less.
Sriram
Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
May 19, 2003 12:00 AM
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EXCELLENT!
AR hits the nail right on the head, as usual.
Al Hussain
, USA
May 19, 2003 12:00 AM
38
It's sad to see so much rage and mean-spiritedness in India. You'd be a lot more convincing without all the name-calling and unsubstantiated ad hominem attacks, Indians and Pakistanis. In a way, you have convinced me that Roy's lecture was essentially accurate; that Bush and his empire-quest have made this a much more violent, hate-filled world. For those many writers who think that Bush is trying to protect Americans, there is documentation from the Project for a New American Century from 1998 that Iraq was in America's crosshairs. And I didn't see anyone mention that no WMDs were found, either.

I am embarrassed to be an American at this time. If I had the money, I would get the hell out of this fascist dictatorship. But if the amount of violence and vociferousness on this comment page is any indication, there doesn't seem to be any place to run to. For those of you who seem to think that Roy is so worthy of your hatred, she can't be any more horrible than this tyrannicanal, unelected, corporate-owned pResident
Greg Diablo
West Cascadia, USA
May 19, 2003 12:00 AM
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My Dear ranting and ravving people on Roy article please save your words. She had her rewards before she uttered her masters' words. She is not going to read your ranting and ravving. She doesn't care about what you say. Let her ranting die a natural death.
Pravin Desai
Cleveland, U S A
May 19, 2003 12:00 AM
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There she goes again. What a hypocrite! A. Roy does not get it. If "democracy" is a whore of the free world, then Arundhati Roy must be a whore of the left-wing, commie liberals. What an idiotic article by her. No wonder she represents Harlam in NYC. Any plece else, she will be booed rightly. If Arundhati Roy hates America so much, then what is she doing in USA? Of course, enjoying "American" appliances, green dolars, and cars, and al the attention. Why does Arundhati spend at least oin day among her beloved people, Taleban, Al-Qaeda, and Islamics. May be she come out as a whore of the world. What a jerk.
Uday Tate
Columbus, Ohio, USA
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
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i am very happy to read this article. A well written and organised with indepth analysis. I am aware of the facts that Roy has mentioned in the article.
Good job
rajesh
bangor me, usa
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
34
Ms Roy, for starters please return the Booker Prize. We despise the empire but yearn for recognition from their institutions, which, it can be argued are also free market instruments.

We have read your work and the fact that thereafter we read every single word that you pen is all the recognition you need
Siddhartha
, United States
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
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Sinbadji
Hindus in Kashmir or Buddhists in Tibet are not human beings but the jehadis and the commies who murder them are, got it.

That is Chacha Nehru's secularism.
Damuanna Dada Tamhane
,
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
32
Deprt her to Iraq please.Let her go there and talk about "virtues of saddam rule." See what happens then
rajagopala raju
vijayawada, INDIA
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
31
I have already commented on the article. if someone wants to read that he/she should scroll down and search for a few rants without abuse.
reading through the rants and raves, rather abuse of so many readers i have started feeling that indians dont deserve democracy, they deserve a dictator who can put some 'culture' into the 'literate', web browsing indians.
during the height of the recent war the apostle of peace, Nelson Mandela was quoted as using very harsh words against Bush the junior and the war. Bush the junior's response to that was that he respected Mandela and understood that every person has is entitled to have an opinion of his own.
the idea of telling this story was to tell all the people who post abuse on this site that take inspiration from your 'GOD' Bush the junior ! and save us from abuse. all of us know that you are know abusive words!
gopak
durham, US
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
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Saddam invading Kuwait is secularism
USa invading Iraq and saving kuwait is imperialism
saddam killed one million muslims
usa killed 3000 in war.
Did Ms.Roy open her mouth when saddam attacked kuwait with scuds?Arent they humans?Why double standards?
jai shankar
New Delhi, India
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
29
If democracy is free world's whore, is secularism India's whore?
Raj Mehrotra
,
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
28
Bring back saddam,let him kill all Iraquis.Let uday huessein rape every single Iraqui woman.Is it what you wanted madam?
Arul karthi
madhurai, india
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
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If Iraquis hated USA what would have they done after USA captured Iraq?Just think.Did that happen?They seem to accept salaries in American dollars happily and enjoy life.
You wrote so much about Afghanisthan.There also people live happily.They have shaved their beards,play cricket and football and enjoy life.Women go to school and jobs.
Usama stilll bombs morocco,Arabia and pakistan.If such a creature is to be left free in Afghanisthan,if that is what you want....
madam we are not for it.we worry for Iraqui people and Afghan people and INDIAN PEOPLE.Not about saddam and usama.
priya dixit
salem, india
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
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If i can give feedback in 3 words "piece of shit"
Ramudu
Tenali, india
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
25
i went to book store today.Saw this article on the cover of OUTLOOK.I was so disgusted that i did not by that.After reading it in full in this website, I am happy for doing so.
sollia vannam seitha perumal
kancheepuram, india
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
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A soldier is not Amithab bachan.he is there to fight wars.Not stop burglars.When he is not sure of who will disguise as guerilla and attack him, how will he enter a mob and control them?
That is the job of police.In first 3 days they had to control and capture bhagdad.Then iraqi police were called and looting was stopped.
USA cannot fight wars according to your whims and fancies madam.
sujeeth kumar
Bangalore, India
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
23
Even after seeing Iraquis garland saddam with chappels she writes this crap.Bravo
shankaran nair
cochin, India
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
22
Why is USA giving visa to such creatures?
Gnaneswaran
Rampur, india
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
21
dear Ms.Roy,
You have mentioned that an impoiverished nation cannot be a threat.So it need not be attacked.Afghnaisthan was impoverished.Did it stop Usama from attacking WTC?Pakistan is impoversihed.Did it stop it from waging war with India 4 times?Do you want Bush to wait for Iraq to grow and attack it?
terrorism must be struck at its roots.It must be struck at its toddler stage.Not at maturity.
And American public believed that saddam was responsible for WTC attacks.Good.But can you prove a single article by an American magazine telling saddam as responsible for that?can you mention one single statement by Bush or others?Can you point out CNN and BBC telling so?
"No" Is the answer.Then how can you say western media created such belief?Without publishing a single article, or news story media has cultivated such belief, isnt it?
Madam, You have mentioned that a 7000 year old civilization was destroyed.Can you tell how?Still 2.5 crore people live in Iraq.So how did USA destroy a 7000 year old culture?I fail to understand.
I agree with you that Persian culture and civiulization was destroyed.But it was not USA that destroyed it.A culture is destroyed only when the people convert to other religions.Persian culture was destroyed the momemnt when persia was invaded by jihadis and zorastrians were murdered and converted.USA did not do that.Nebuccadnezer is no more the ancestor of Iraquis.He is an infidel according to them.maybe parsis in india can call him as their ancestor.
And USA supported saddam in his heydeys.Yes.It was done to get the world rid of a greater evil.communism.Communism was evil and terror.Joseph stalin' communism has to be defeated at all costs.So USA had to support Shah of Iran and saddam.
But if u say USA asked Saddam to gas Kurds and iraquis that is wrong.It never did it or sell saddam any gas weapons.had it done so, saddam would have been very gleeful to tell that to world.Thsy sold dual use chemicals, yes.But even fertilizer chemicals can be used to kill.USA did not sell him nerve gas or sars virus.It only sold him chemicals used in fertilizers and pesticides.He got other things from France and Germany.
And I wonder, you dare to write about Afghanisthan.But madam, do you mean to say that Afghan people were happy under Taliban than under Hamid Karzai?
I wonder who listened to you in USA?Maybe because you priced tickets so cheaply that all pakistani taxi drivers came there to applaud you.
The fact that USa allowed you to give this raving in its own soil ought yto tell you that it is democratic adn not an empire.Would you have dared to talk about human rights in Iraq under saddam?
Thats the greatest pity of democracy.We have people defending murderers and rapists.And worse, we call them as "great thinkers and writers.'

priya dixit
salem, india
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
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I totally agree with the speech of Ms Roy.However,the patch which she proposses to fight the empire is not very effective.Empire is not going to listen to reason when it is in conflict with its interests. Empire only listens to strength.Can the empire ever dream of doing the same to China in the name of democracy? No.Why? Because it fears its own annihilation.Will Ms Roy be courageous enough to admit that she was wrong when she protested the nuclear explosion by India? In real world, the empire needs to fear you to respect you.Ms Roy still lives in the make beleive world of a Gandhian Pacifist.
Pravin Sinha
Mumbai, India
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
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It truly was a great speech. I haven't heard a better researched, thought out, structured and brave speech in ages. Arundhati makes me proud to be Indian.

I must say that I still disagree with some aspects of Arundhati's take on the Iraq war. In my opinion, the process of revolution or a catharsis in a nation's history is through the path of anarchy and chaos. Its an outpouring and expression (albeit a destructive one) of human emotion, a breakaway from the cruelty and barbarism of a cruel ruler.

However, I completely agree with Arundhati on most of the other aspects of her speech, viz., the lack of proper justification for the war, lousy/one-sided coverage by the TV media in the US, the imperialistic attitude of sections of the US govt., the total disregard and subversion of International fora like the UN and many other areas.

It is sad that the US government is subject to the incessant lobbying of corporations and the right wing. The Democrats too have been a party to this situation and have unfortunaltely capitulated to the Republican agenda.

Fortunately, the American people are not stupid and will see the other side, they will seek information and decide what is right or wrong.Let's give them a chance too!!!

Anu
Cleveland, USA
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
18
Major(?) A M Manohar, Kindly learn to read and write. What is bottoming upto?
Balbir Singh
,
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
17
Ms Roy is the only one of repute to air the views of the common men and women of this world.Are all the other so called intellectuals, leaders are all so spineless as to keep quiet about the draconian acts of US and UK in the name of terrorism? Both these countries have bottomed up to the Stone Age civilisation.
Major AM Manohar.
Madurai, TN., India.
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
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Dear Muslim
'Bush lesser' is vulgar. If not then A Randi is not. Not atleast for Arundhati. Surprised? Consider this:

A) Accoring to Arundhati, 'A Randi' is Sex Worker. So no problem for this huge critique of Consumerism in justifying the randi profession.
B) Mehta worked at Debonair. If you know how porn magazines work (just as how coke drinks would break the bottles of rivals is a reality); randi is quite honourable.
C) All this revolutionary talks of Arundhati would lead her to her ultimate jehad/crusade of seeing randigiri accorded the highest form of honour and recognized as highest skills in her revolusionised-liberlised-jehadised society!

Surely Jehad/crusade of great religions are different? Beware of this fake Jehadi/Crusader; she speaks for none but herself.
Muslims-bhai
Clevland, USA
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
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It is really appalling to see people reacting in such vulgar ways to a well-written speech. I agree everyone has right to disagree, but can’t it be done in a civilized manner. One should realize by using abuse language he/ she is disgracing the society/community he belongs.
Muslim
Kochi, India
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
14
The govt. should drag Millionnaire Roy by her hair to the court, sue her for years to come, deplete all her stashed away pounds, and make her beg (or write trivial speeches for unknown commie organisation) for the rest of her life.
Gagan Mahapatra
Bhubaneswar, Orissa,
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
13
One of the best essays in recent times.
Siva Krishnadass
Wellington, New Zealand
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
12
After listening Arundhati Roy's interview regarding Gujrat, one can feel that a genious person can be a great fool at the same time.
She said the Gujrat Government and CM Modi supervised the murder of muslims. I was surprised to listen this from her mouth.
She should have known that Gujrat riots were the repercursion of Godhra. During Gujrat riots lots of Hindus were also dead.
Unfortunately, psuedo secularist media didn't talk about thousands of Hindus dead during Gujrat riots. They contributed against India's image in the world.
Shivkumar Sonkar
,
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
11
Point By Point: Lets do some counting:
Illegal Detainees: In India, there are thousands, In USA Tens of thousands. In Israel 5000. In China: Unaccounted. In Saudi Arabia: Unaccounted. In Pakistan: Unaccounted. In Arundhati's ISLAMALANDS : Unaccounted. This unaccounted number could be millions or 1 depending on whom you believe.
Moral of Story:
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You got to believe Mullai Arundhati as she is prophets word. All others, CNN, BBC, etc are all lying. Just as all others who do not subscribe to Quran are Kafirs. We must dislike democracy as it listens to voice of Kafirs such as CNN and BBC.
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Quote "I hate to disagree with your president. Yours is by no means a great nation. But you could be a great people" Offcourse America is not a great nation. It does not cut the throat of a thief; neither it stones to death thiefs.Then those expats... these bloody guys have the guts to come to this less than great country and became succesful. How can these guys who escaped Arundhati's Mulla and communists land become succesful if America was such a great nation. Indira mai also told Arundhati that India could have have easily been Islamazised had this bloddy lowly nation called America which offered Hindus to feel that they can progress while remaining Hindus! This bloody America!
"If you join the battle, not in your hundreds of thousands, but in your millions, .... "
O God make me Queen of America!
"Hundreds of thousands of you have survived the relentless propaganda you...." Now listen to mine!
"The battle to reclaim democracy is going to be a difficult one. .... " You can do so with my and my mulla-lands help.
"Terrorist strikes only give the US government an opportunity that it is....."
Did'ny I tell you all this 9/11, attack on Indian Parliament, the hijack of Indian Airliner.... All mwere planed by their respective Governments.
"The World’s Largest: India (which I have written about at some length and therefore will not speak about tonight)." This bloody article would be read only in India; it would be bloody mistake to try and misleqad Indians with facts about India. They just tear and my pimp mehta to pieces. Better just use America as context.
"Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, for instance, has a controlling interest in major Italian newspapers, magazines, television channels and publishing houses. The Financial Times reported that he controls about 90 per cent of Italy’s TV "
.... and here we are.... Dawood is strugling to supply me and mehta clients .....
BTW did we leave Sonia's Cronees influence untouched.
IT CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON AND ON.............
Jai Shree Ram
Isamia, Islamland
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
10
Mirza Faisal,

You ,Opened Sphincter, and Islam was caused by a conspiracy between Hindus, the British and since 1939 , the Americans.
Narayan Mahimkar.
,
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
9
Excellent!, as always.
my congratulations to Ms Roy. she can express what ordinary people like me feel . there are a few points i dont agree with her.
Firstly Ms Roy seems to have a lot of hope with the American Civil Society to act as an engine of change. I dont think so. Having been in the US for enough time to have an idea on what the civil society thinks or does not think I can say that American civil society is totally consumed by the 'consumerist'culture. they dont have a spiritualist tradtition of their own nor the society is open enough to borrow ideas on this from some other society. in a nutshell, the american society does not have anything to take support from and ask for a change.
I had a converastion with a WW II veteran, who told me that he worries about his country because everyone has a lot of money .
This is true with most of the civil society , partucularly the white sections. of course there can be hope from the minorities of the country, particularly the black community. the black community is worth a case study in itself. they permeate every sport and a lot in arts and entertainment. but when it comes to intellectual workers, like university faculty. they just cannot be seen. look at the people who represent the black community in the Govt., Condaleeza Rice and Colin Powell. the less said about them the better it is .
if at all there is hope for the country. it should be from some member of the minority community for i dont see any hope with the majority community. A leader of the stature of Martin Luther King II, getting inspired by the non-violent philosophy of Gandhiji and using it to change the outlook of this country is what i can think of as a saviour. and coming from a minority community , imagine the hardhips he/she will have to face and all this if he/she is assasinated ( like King) at a young age
Gopal Krishna
Durham, US
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
8
Roy ends her speech saying,"I hate to disagree with your president. Yours by no means a great nation .But you could be a great people."

Americans are already a great people. You only have to see the development that have taken place in this great country and compare it with others. The question now for the president is how to protect it. How every single innocent American can be protected for which he has been elected by great American people? Now if Roy or if anybody else has got any suggestion as to how to do it, she should suggest. Otherwise I have a feeling, the Americans will continue persuing terrorists and their supporters and Roy and people like her cannot do any thing about it despite their shouting.
Pravin G. Desai
Highland Heights, USA
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
7
It is argued that bin Laden and Sadam were made by U S. So what? When they were created, U S felt that it was in their interest to fight against communism and religious feneticts. Now it feels that it is in their interest to fight against terrorists and their supporters. As for the proof required by sundry people,they also wanted proof of bin Laden's involvement on 9/11. Why, just WHY should a most powerful nation on this planet tolerate even for one moment these mischiefs? Are'nt we fighting in India communists and terrorists?
Pravin Desai
CLEVELAND, U S A
May 18, 2003 12:00 AM
6
Not only Saddam Hussain but even Osama was made by US.
Mirza Faisal
, US
May 17, 2003 12:00 AM
5
Really, Suman Jha? How about the fact that Saddam was helped to become the dictator by Americans who also created and/or propped up Noriega, Pinochet and numerous others? But it is NOT amazing how ill informed YOU are.
l c prabhu
, india
May 17, 2003 12:00 AM
4
It is intellectuals like you who have made it possible for Dictators like Saddam, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and myriad others to brutalize humanity for ages. It is amazing how ill informed you are and how ill you inform others.
Suman Jha
Davis, USA
May 17, 2003 12:00 AM
3
Arunadhati Roy keeps raising lot's and lot's of questions.but she never speaks about answers to these questions.We know for sure that what was happening in Iraq or Afghanistan was right.How do we deal with those problems.Is that not important.
I also would like to add that it was disappointing to see you boasting about the fact that US media has given its time for Arundhati's talk.
Manthena Vamsi Krishna
chennai, India
May 17, 2003 12:00 AM
2
A great speech. No matter how great the system, it is only as good as the people who administer it. Democracy has failed because it does not have any inbuilt mechanism to built a moral society. If one has to look for alternatives we need to look at a system which can reform people morally and culturally.
Muslim
Kochi, India
May 17, 2003 12:00 AM
1
Excellent speech! This time around Roy has being critical-with-facts rather than her usual style of critical-with-frustration.The best part of this speech is that at no time has she being critically vitriolic of the happenings without authentic facts and figures. This gives the speech a more understandable and acceptable face. The flow of the speech is absolutely seamless and filled with the right mix of emotions. She has spoken to reach out to the common man and this could very well go into the anals of Harlem as the strong defiance of a powerless third world citizen against a bullying tyrant Empire. If Roy had conjured up with some excellent proverbs of her own, then it would have made her speech immortal. Bravo Roy, Keep it up...but always with facts!!
Avid Reader.
Milwaukee, USA
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