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Confronting Empire
I've been asked to speak about "How to confront Empire?" It's a huge question, and I have no easy answers....
I've been asked to speak about "How to confront Empire?" It's a huge question, and I have no easy answers.

When we speak of confronting "Empire," we need to identify what "Empire" means. Does it mean the U.S. Government (and its European satellites), the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, the World Trade Organization, and multinational corporations? Or is it something more than that?

In many countries, Empire has sprouted other subsidiary heads, some dangerous byproducts — nationalism, religious bigotry, fascism and, of course terrorism. All these march arm in arm with the project of corporate globalization.

Let me illustrate what I mean. India — the world's biggest democracy — is currently at the forefront of the corporate globalization project. Its "market" of one billion people is being prised open by the WTO. Corporatization and Privatization are being welcomed by the Government and the Indian elite.

It is not a coincidence that the Prime Minister, the Home Minister, the Disinvestment Minister — the men who signed the deal with Enron in India, the men who are selling the country's infrastructure to corporate multinationals, the men who want to privatize water, electricity, oil, coal, steel, health, education and telecommunication — are all members or admirers of the RSS. The RSS is a right wing, ultra-nationalist Hindu guild which has openly admired Hitler and his methods.

The dismantling of democracy is proceeding with the speed and efficiency of a Structural Adjustment Program. While the project of corporate globalization rips through people's lives in India, massive privatization, and labor "reforms" are pushing people off their land and out of their jobs. Hundreds of impoverished farmers are committing suicide by consuming pesticide. Reports of starvation deaths are coming in from all over the country.

While the elite journeys to its imaginary destination somewhere near the top of the world, the dispossessed are spiraling downwards into crime and chaos. This climate of frustration and national disillusionment is the perfect breeding ground, history tells us, for fascism.

The two arms of the Indian Government have evolved the perfect pincer action. While one arm is busy selling India off in chunks, the other, to divert attention, is orchestrating a howling, baying chorus of Hindu nationalism and religious fascism. It is conducting nuclear tests, rewriting history books, burning churches, and demolishing mosques. Censorship, surveillance, the suspension of civil liberties and human rights, the definition of who is an Indian citizen and who is not, particularly with regard to religious minorities, is becoming common practice now.

Last March, in the state of Gujarat, two thousand Muslims were butchered in a State-sponsored pogrom. Muslim women were specially targeted. They were stripped, and gang-raped, before being burned alive. Arsonists burned and looted shops, homes, textiles mills, and mosques.

More than a hundred and fifty thousand Muslims have been driven from their homes. The economic base of the Muslim community has been devastated.

While Gujarat burned, the Indian Prime Minister was on MTV promoting his new poems. In January this year, the Government that orchestrated the killing was voted back into office with a comfortable majority. Nobody has been punished for the genocide. Narendra Modi, architect of the pogrom, proud member of the RSS, has embarked on his second term as the Chief Minister of Gujarat. If he were Saddam Hussein, of course each atrocity would have been on CNN. But since he's not — and since the Indian "market" is open to global investors — the massacre is not even an embarrassing inconvenience.

There are more than one hundred million Muslims in India. A time bomb is ticking in our ancient land.

All this to say that it is a myth that the free market breaks down national barriers. The free market does not threaten national sovereignty, it undermines democracy.

As the disparity between the rich and the poor grows, the fight to corner resources is intensifying. To push through their "sweetheart deals," to corporatize the crops we grow, the water we drink, the air we breathe, and the dreams we dream, corporate globalization needs an international confederation of loyal, corrupt, authoritarian governments in poorer countries to push through unpopular reforms and quell the mutinies.

Corporate Globalization — or shall we call it by its name? — Imperialism — needs a press that pretends to be free. It needs courts that pretend to dispense justice.

Meanwhile, the countries of the North harden their borders and stockpile weapons of mass destruction. After all they have to make sure that it's only money, goods, patents and services that are globalized. Not the free movement of people. Not a respect for human rights. Not international treaties on racial discrimination or chemical and nuclear weapons or greenhouse gas emissions or climate change, or — god forbid — justice.

So this — all this — is "empire." This loyal confederation, this obscene accumulation of power, this greatly increased distance between those who make the decisions and those who have to suffer them.

Our fight, our goal, our vision of Another World must be to eliminate that distance.

So how do we resist "Empire"?

The good news is that we're not doing too badly. There have been major victories. Here in Latin America you have had so many — in Bolivia, you have Cochabamba. In Peru, there was the uprising in Arequipa, In Venezuela, President Hugo Chavez is holding on, despite the U.S. government's best efforts.

And the world's gaze is on the people of Argentina, who are trying to refashion a country from the ashes of the havoc wrought by the IMF.

In India the movement against corporate globalization is gathering momentum and is poised to become the only real political force to counter religious fascism.

As for corporate globalization's glittering ambassadors — Enron, Bechtel, WorldCom, Arthur Anderson — where were they last year, and where are they now?

And of course here in Brazil we must ask …who was the president last year, and who is it now?

Still … many of us have dark moments of hopelessness and despair. We know that under the spreading canopy of the War Against Terrorism, the men in suits are hard at work.

While bombs rain down on us, and cruise missiles skid across the skies, we know that contracts are being signed, patents are being registered, oil pipelines are being laid, natural resources are being plundered, water is being privatized, and George Bush is planning to go to war against Iraq.

If we look at this conflict as a straightforward eye-ball to eye-ball confrontation between "Empire" and those of us who are resisting it, it might seem that we are losing.

But there is another way of looking at it. We, all of us gathered here, have, each in our own way, laid siege to "Empire."

We may not have stopped it in its tracks — yet — but we have stripped it down. We have made it drop its mask. We have forced it into the open. It now stands before us on the world's stage in all it's brutish, iniquitous nakedness.

Empire may well go to war, but it's out in the open now — too ugly to behold its own reflection. Too ugly even to rally its own people. It won't be long before the majority of American people become our allies.

Only a few days ago in Washington, a quarter of a million people marched against the war on Iraq. Each month, the protest is gathering momentum.

Before September 11th 2001 America had a secret history. Secret especially from its own people. But now America's secrets are history, and its history is public knowledge. It's street talk.

Today, we know that every argument that is being used to escalate the war against Iraq is a lie. The most ludicrous of them being the U.S. Government's deep commitment to bring democracy to Iraq.

Killing people to save them from dictatorship or ideological corruption is, of course, an old U.S. government sport. Here in Latin America, you know that better than most.

Nobody doubts that Saddam Hussein is a ruthless dictator, a murderer (whose worst excesses were supported by the governments of the United States and Great Britain). There's no doubt that Iraqis would be better off without him.

But, then, the whole world would be better off without a certain Mr. Bush. In fact, he is far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein.

So, should we bomb Bush out of the White House?

It's more than clear that Bush is determined to go to war against Iraq, regardless of the facts — and regardless of international public opinion.

In its recruitment drive for allies, The United States is prepared to invent facts.

The charade with weapons inspectors is the U.S. government's offensive, insulting concession to some twisted form of international etiquette. It's like leaving the "doggie door" open for last minute "allies" or maybe the United Nations to crawl through.

But for all intents and purposes, the New War against Iraq has begun.

What can we do?

We can hone our memory, we can learn from our history. We can continue to build public opinion until it becomes a deafening roar.

We can turn the war on Iraq into a fishbowl of the U.S. government's excesses.

We can expose George Bush and Tony Blair — and their allies — for the cowardly baby killers, water poisoners, and pusillanimous long-distance bombers that they are.

We can re-invent civil disobedience in a million different ways. In other words, we can come up with a million ways of becoming a collective pain in the ass.

When George Bush says "you're either with us, or you are with the terrorists" we can say "No thank you." We can let him know that the people of the world do not need to choose between a Malevolent Mickey Mouse and the Mad Mullahs.

Our strategy should be not only to confront empire, but to lay siege to it. To deprive it of oxygen. To shame it. To mock it. With our art, our music, our literature, our stubbornness, our joy, our brilliance, our sheer relentlessness — and our ability to tell our own stories. Stories that are different from the ones we're being brainwashed to believe.

The corporate revolution will collapse if we refuse to buy what they are selling — their ideas, their version of history, their wars, their weapons, their notion of inevitability.

Remember this: We be many and they be few. They need us more than we need them.

Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing.


(Arundhati Roy was speaking at Life After Capitalism at the World Social Forum, 2003, Porto Alegre, Brazil, January 27, 2003, organised by Znet)

 
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HAVE YOUR SAY
Feb 26, 2003 12:00 AM
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Together the ants united to defeat the elephant. Not my saying.

jahi sami
Warsaw, Poland
Feb 10, 2003 12:00 AM
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Why commies and muslims are big friends:

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1. Commies have a book (das kapital), muslims have a book. Neither know anything outside the book. Both are equally blind and think they know the most.

2. Commies have prophets (lenin, stalin, mao), so do muslims. Without exception, each of these prophets is a dangerous megalomaniac who personally ordered killing of hundreds of thousands of innocents.

3. Both cults believe only they are right, everybody else is wrong and that killing others in the name their cult is good.

4. Neither cult believes in democracy.

5. Neither cult believes in freedom of speech.

6. On the other hand, both cults are big fan of democracy when they are a minority.

7. Neither cult believes in the idea of nation-states. Their sole aim is to conquer the world and subjugate everybody else. So commies support China when India fights against them. muslims support every other muslim country.

8. Both are equally dangerous for the civilised world.
BT
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Feb 10, 2003 12:00 AM
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Here is a name BT/Bluebird/Infidel Kafir may be interested in:

R. ONMEN or R. NONEM

It is scrambled, but if any part of his brain still remains unscrambled, he might be able to unscramble this too.

r.m.
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Feb 10, 2003 12:00 AM
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Nameless, ask Infdel if he can unscramble this name: R. Onmen. Let us see how intelligent he is.
also nameless
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Feb 10, 2003 12:00 AM
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I am really happy with and proud of this Infidel Kafir guy. Too bad he is not white and German. Well, you can't have it all, can you?
Adolph hitler
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Feb 10, 2003 12:00 AM
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BT calling people PSYCHO is like Adolph Eichman calling his victims murderers
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Feb 10, 2003 12:00 AM
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Seems like Mr PSYCHOPATH-SOCIOPATH-GENOCIDE MONGER BT (Infidel Kafir) has taken over the lunatic asylum. Now he is calling normal people PSYCHO. Joke of the day.
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Feb 10, 2003 12:00 AM
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And psycho is the guy who posts as...yes, Psycho.

How sad is that?
BT
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Feb 10, 2003 12:00 AM
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INFIEL KAFIR IS THE SAME GUY WHO ALSO POSTS AS BT AND BLUEBIRD.
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Feb 10, 2003 12:00 AM
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BT IS THE SAME GUY WHO ALSO POSTS AS INFIDEL KAFIR.
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Feb 09, 2003 12:00 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2687797.stm


British teenage boys were told to train with Kalashnikov rifles and promised 72 virgins in paradise if they died as religious martyrs, an Old Bailey jury has heard.
Muslim cleric Abdullah el-Faisal, 39, made the claim in a video recording of him addressing a study group after the 11 September terrorist attacks in New York.

The video was played at the trial of the preacher, who is charged with nine offences, including inciting race hate and soliciting murder.

Mr el-Faisal, of Albert Square, Stratford, east London, told the gathering that Muslims were only allowed to sacrifice their lives fighting for Islam.

In the video he says it is the duty of women to bring up their sons "with a Jihad mentality - not be wimps" and boys should train as soldiers for Islam when they were 15.

He said: "Is it sensible for you to be soldiers without Kalashnikov training?

"So when you are on holiday from school or college, you must have Jihad training - this is your holiday."

Mr el-Faisal tells them: "Even if you are hit by a Cruise missile, the pain will feel like that of a mosquito bite."

'No democracy'

Their rewards in paradise would include 72 virgins and eating from the fruits of paradise, he said.

"Religious martyrs are not dead. Do not cry for them. There is a conspiracy against Jihad", he added.

"Democracy is not the way forward. The only way to liberate land and man is Jihad.

"The way forward is the bullet. Our motto is `might is right'."

The prosecution allege the Jamaican-born convert stepped outside his role as a spiritual leader to preach race hate and murder.

Mr el-Faisal denies the charges and the trial continues.
BT
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Feb 09, 2003 12:00 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2685243.stm


Muslim cleric Abdullah el-Faisal quoted the words of Osama Bin Laden on recordings which backed the use of chemical and nuclear weapons, the Old Bailey was told.
The 39-year-old religious leader also supported the al-Qaeda leader's call for a Jihad or holy war, the prosecution claimed.

Mr el-Faisal, from Stratford, east London, is accused of circulating tapes of his sermons which encouraged his followers to kill non-believers and taught race hate.

David Perry, for the prosecution, said they have based their case on transcripts of tape recordings of talks by the cleric which were put on sale.

'Great Satan'

One tape, Jihad, contained the words: "So you go to India and if you see a Hindu walking down the road you are allowed to kill him and take his money, is that clear?"

He says it is also permissible to use chemical weapons to kill unbelievers.

On one recording Mr el-Faisal said Jews were "rotten to the core" and he described Americans as "the Great Satan".

In a tape called Rules of Jihad, undated but thought to have been made before September 11, Mr el-Faisal is alleged to have said that Jihad had been declared by Bin Laden, and that it had been declared against India.

'Nuclear bomb'

Mr el-Faisal told his audience: "You have to learn how to shoot. You have to learn how to fly planes, drive tanks and you have to learn how to load your guns and to use missiles."

He said: "You are only allowed to use nuclear weapons in that country which is 100% unbelievers."

David Perry, prosecuting, said: "The defendant said that there would be no harm in dropping a nuclear bomb on India and he spoke of using the bodies of unbelievers to run power stations by incinerating them."

On a tape entitled Declaration of War, which had a picture of Bin Laden on the cover and is thought to have been made in 2000, Mr el-Faisal translates one of his speeches calling for a holy war against Americans and Jews to "drive them out of the Holy Land".

Denies charges

The tape called Them Versus Us says: "There are two religions in the world today - the right one and the wrong one. Islam versus the rest of the world."

He denies nine charges which are made up of five charges of soliciting a person or persons unknown to murder others under the 1861 Offences Against the Person Act.

Mr el-Faisal also denies two charges of using threatening or abusive words or behaviour to stir up racial hatred in tape recordings.

The final two charges relate to him possessing and distributing tape recordings containing threatening, abusive or insulting words.
BT
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Feb 09, 2003 12:00 AM
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Infidel Kafir, which of these zip codes do you like? 07093 10025 00000
west93
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Feb 09, 2003 12:00 AM
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If somebody says they reported Infidel Kafir to the FBI, why does BT who is no doubt Infidel Kafir think it is such an impossible task! Does it take any special skill to report him to the FBI? He seems to be more of a fool than I thought. He is so stupidly arrogant he thinks nothing can affect him. Maybe he thinks he cannot be traced.

The question of whether he is a danger to the society in which he lives is quite valid. He has many times expressed his dislike and hatred for their religion. And he lives in that society. How can the members of that society know he won't do something evil, is a good question. Maybe he won't. But how can anyone be certain. As someone said on this forum before, people have been put on watch or arrested and questioned for less reasons. I wonder if BT has the stomach to go through all that. I guess until that happens he will continue to take things lightly.
hem
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Feb 08, 2003 12:00 AM
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There is no doubt this Infidel fellow is a Psycho. You never know what he will do if he lives among Christians and hate them. All his activities should be monitored. Does he really live in the New York/New Jesrsey area?
jagat
new york,
Feb 08, 2003 12:00 AM
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Why does the PSYCHOPATH Mr. BT, usually known to as INFIDEL KAFIR call everybody else PSYCHO? Isn't it like the KUKLUXKLAN racist calling black people racists?
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Feb 08, 2003 12:00 AM
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Hey psycho, thank you for posting all those messages against Infidel under various names. We all have had a good laugh on a friday evening.

I can see that your condition is worsening. You really really must seek some professional psychatric help now. Do you know that schizophreniacs like you sometimes can become suicidal? Get some help.

So have the FBI replied to your anonymous junk mail yet? Let us know how you progress. We are dying to find out. Honest, we are really really curious. Did you finally send copies to Bush, Blair and Kofi Annan? If you haven't, you must. Don't let such chances pass by.

Why don't you try writing some books also on your life and achievements?

1. "How I Became Obsessed With Infidel"

2. "How To Become A NutCase: Learn It From The Psycho"

3. "How The FBI Screwed Me By Tracking My Junk Mail"
BT
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Feb 07, 2003 12:00 AM
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Isn't WNY, NJ, a better place to look for Infie?
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Feb 07, 2003 12:00 AM
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If the FBI want to find Infidel Kafir, may be they should look for him in Tenfly, New Jersey.
G Bananda
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Feb 07, 2003 12:00 AM
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The message below, starting with, "I am surprised none of the brainwashed minority robots ...." was posted by our psychopathic and sociopathic hatemonger, Infidel Kafir. He has been posting these messages anonymously or using various names such as Ravi Pillai, Narotham Desai, etc. for several months. He is a rabid hater of minorities in India, but sees no problem at all in living in the West and enjoying the privileges as part of a minority there. He pretends he is fighting for Hinduism, but his rants are based on selfish reasons; i.e. he wants to take vengeance on the minority communities as a whole because he had some problems with some members of these communities. Now he is exploiting the anti-minority feelings some people have, to his own advantage to seek his revenge. In his hate mongering rants he mixes facts with fiction and tries to present the whole thing as facts.

HE LIVES IN THE WEST ENJOYING THE PRIVILEGES THERE AS PART OF A MINORITY BUT HE DOESN'T WANT ANY MINORITIES IN INDIA.
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Feb 07, 2003 12:00 AM
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I am surprised that none of the brain-washed minority robots have answered to the opinion below,have they lost their acid and dirty tongues??? Is it the same all readers are infidel kafir, infidel kafirstory for these brutes and animals with no hearts or minds ???
Is this silence not criminal and wicked??Aundhati Roy who is supposed to be a wrold famous human rights activist and cares for suffering people, why she is keeping quiet??? Is it because the holocaust victims were hindus and sikh only???
Then Arundhati Roy, read this.There were supposed by 500000 christians in Paksitan in 1947, now after 50 years, there are only few thousand christians there!! Do you know why they became extinct???
Please investigate and find out the abominable, bitter truths about their ethnic cleansing!!!, if you care about your christian friends.
I know it is not empire's problem and perhaps not your problem too, to care for hindus and sikhs.
Here is the message again, let our muslim friends and muslim intellectuals answer honestly to thevarious points and state whether they are true or not!!!
Has any muslim group or intellectual or social worker ever raised a little finger or protested verballyagainst this holocaust of millions and millions hindus and sikhs in Kashmir, Pakistan and BanglaDesh???
They will not care to protest because according to their favourite religious text, hindus and sikhs are infidel kafirs and they deserve to be burnt as in Godhra train and their eyes must be savagelyremoved as done by pakistani and bangla deshi soldiers.
Some reader, perhaps an ISI agent or pakistani guy, wrote that sikhs are not kafirs like hindus??? It is a joke! The number of sikhs in pakistan after partition was about 10 million, now after 50 years of ethnic cleansing in Pakistan, the number of sikhs there is just few thousands!!! Do you want more proof??? What is the fate of sikhs in Kashmir??? Just check the statistics of Sikhs there!
So the minority brutal robots of our country, eduated in madrasas and fed on pure and blind hatred for infidel hindus and sikhs , whether they are educated or not educated will not raise a little finger or protest. This is because they "love" hindus and sikhs so much and they are the most "tolerant" and " most loving " people on earth.
Demolition of thousands and thousands of hindu and sikh places of worship is their hobby along with the brutal ethnic cleansing is part of this brutal faith driven into their brains since childhood by the mullahs !!!
Bush knows this hatred in them and he is taking proper action against these worst barbarians that world has known.
So long as their religious text classifies hindus and sikhs as kafirs and infidels, this " loving" mentality is not likely to change. So, kafir hindus and sikhs in India , beware if you are not to have the same fate as hindus in Pakistan or Bangla Desh, to be butchered or burnt alive !!!
And there will be arundhati roy, ranjit bhhoshan , jha and Shabna Azmi and Anita Pratap and many other journalist friends to support this elimination and clean-up operation and they will applaud when the holocuast is complete!!
Remember this tragedy will happen only to hindus and sikhs because they have no guardians even in India!
Please, ISI agents and pakistani agents and enemies of India, do not read or care to answer the above points because this debate if not for beasts or people without hearts, it is only for educated, cultured people who know the value of love and compassion and sympathy!!!



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Feb 07, 2003 12:00 AM
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No Need,initially I decided not to respond to your trash.But the way you called me several times I had to respond,even God would have answered you.From your style of laughing (Hi Hi)it is clear you are a girl,probably a Muslim girl.Believe me, No Need, what you think of me is not correct.I don't hate any religion though sometimes I make some critical but true comment.My girlfriend is a Muslim girl from a very elite(Sayed family) family.Previous year, on the sab-e-Barat night ,she parted with me over a trivial issue(I laughed & made a rough comment when she tried to make me understand that the doors of jannat were open that day).I tried extremely hard to persuade her but still today I could not succeed.Since you too are a Muslim girl, you can persuade her.Would you make frienship with me?I'm 5'11" tall,handsome,3rd year student in engineering.If you get angry,please don't use foul language.I desparately want to persuade the lady.
bluebird
kolkata, India
Feb 07, 2003 12:00 AM
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Arundathi is a flash in the pan writer who won the Booker by mistake and that has made her think she can pass off all this nonsense. She should be arrested under POTA. She is a nuisance and is of no help either as a writer or as a fellow human
Agni
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Feb 07, 2003 12:00 AM
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Who the hell should care if BT is Bluebird or Infidel Kafir? There are more important things in this world like BT's becoming the Minister for Extermination of Minorities. But he has been avoiding the questions and his supporters are getting impatient. I can understand BT being busy studying the Nazi manuals on human extermination, but can't he spare a few minutes answer the very important questions? I will try again.

BT, when are you going to take up your job as the Ministe of Extermination of Minorities? I don't care about your using different names, but just out of curiosity, would you use the name Bluebird or Infidel Kafir when you become the minister?

And what about the Human Extermination Research Lab? Are you going to be in charge of it too?

After you take care of the religious minorities, who are you going to be after? Castes other than yours?
special reporter assigned to cover Adolph Infidel eichman Kafir
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Feb 07, 2003 12:00 AM
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I know Infidel Kafir is using all those names. But thanks to Infidel's efforts to make me UNKNOW it, I won't know it starting tomorrow.
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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Yes Bluebird, the mullahs are posting the same message six times just like our revered friend Infidel Kafir posts six, seven or eight times. If only these commie p-sec pig shit could use English propoerly.
BT
Kafirltown, universe
Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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Hai bluebird , you made question/opinion to sultan, I am having the answer ready fully typed. But I don’t want to post it till you give an answer to my questions. I know you are really eager to see my answer. If you want you can ask the help of the English beggar BT.
Kicking your ass
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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BLUEBIRD and BT are the same Psycho who is ususally known to us as Infidel Kafir. Everybody knows who he is and now he is to make everybody UNKNOW it. What a moron.
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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BT,the mollah is in a critical stage.He has developed signs of nervous breakdown.See,he is posting same messages 6 times(one time more than he prays to allah).
bluebird
kolkata, India
Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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This is for the Kicking Ass guy.
Bluebird and BT are names used by Infidel Kafir. You haven't figured that out yet? Everybody else here knows Infidel' tricks.
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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Bluebird is kolkata beggar and BT is English beggar, see he has no answer to any of my question, why BT you are begging at Christian country language English and begging in Christian country. Do you know how to speak hindi. I already told you that I give dam shit about English. I asked you why don’t you go back to your loving beggars land India. Do you have money for buying tickets, if you don’t you can beg at this forum for money? Ho ho hoo, idiotic beggars

Somebody in the forum went to FBI, that person made a big mistake. Indian won’t afraid about FBI ,you should have sent this link to US consulate then they will piss in there pants. We have to send this link to US consulate then only US will know what kind of genocides are Indian. Once US stops giving green card and throw these H1 bs back to india , these guys will learn a lesson. It is big mistake of Christians and Muslims to let these Hindu Indian to have job in Christian and Muslim countries. Don’t worry I am going to send this link to US consulate and all possible Christian and Muslim countries consulate.
hi hi hi....
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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Arundhati Roy has pain,power and truth in this article
just waiting for her next article.
Sultan Raza
London, Uk
Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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Infidel kafir is BLUEBIRD.
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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For everyone's information the guy who signs as BT AND BLUEBIRD is our Psychopathic Reptile INFIDEL KAFIR.
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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For everyone's information the guy who signs as BT AND BLUEBIRD is our Psychopathic Reptile INFIDEL KAFIR.
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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For everyone's information the guy who signs as BT AND BLUEBIRD is our Psychopathic Reptile INFIDEL KAFIR.
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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Do you see how this pseudo patriot PSYCHO Infidel Kafir/Ravi Pillai is so proud of his ENGILEESH and he he mocks fellow Indians for what he thinks as their poor English? Typical colonial!
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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Do you see how this pseudo patriot PSYCHO Infidel Kafir/Ravi Pillai is so proud of his ENGILEESH and he he mocks fellow Indians for what he thinks as their poor English? Typical colonial!
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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This response is not to agree or disagree in totality. But to appreciate Arundathi Roy's efforts to shape a public opinion for a good cause. For long, as long as I have lived to experience and as long as I could go back in reading history, most of the world have been driven by a few group of people. As the author says, let the "most" dissociate themselves from choices given and shape a new world order.
Raj
NJ, USA
Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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Blue bird,
You can't get sultan now. He is busy delivering nice and sweet 'god-made' punishments (e.g., stoning to death, chopping hands/head off) to other people in Saudi while preaching them why India should remain secular.
BT
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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Keep babbling, psycho. You are just providing more and more fun to an otherwise dull topic.

You still need to get some proper education though, as very few people here actually understand what you keep harping on about !!!

Try some basic course on English first. Don't start at a very high level. Ask your local primary school teacher (I hope you know what a primary school means) if they have a seat for a mentally deranged illiterate psycho. But then they will probably have to restrain you from harming the children.

It's a tough one I know, but don't give up. Ask around, someone might be able to help you.

And don't forget about the psychiatrist. Trust me, you need help.
BT
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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You beggar from beggar kolkata bluebird, I asked you a question what are you doing in
Christian land , if you hate Christians and Muslims what is your job in Christian and Muslim land.
YOU KNOW WHO I AM
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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Ok bluebird as long us you believe NO NEED is me , I don’t have any problem. But why you are acting as if you are from beggars India’s beggar’s capital kolkata. You may be another beggar from the hindu beggars land , but you are not living in the beggars land now, now you are begging in US or UK and pleasing some Christian boss because do you know what is India time now. You beggar, I don’t know what made you to think that if you are from beggars capital kolkata that makes you proud. You kolkata beggar
YOU KNOW WHO I AM
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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SULTAN
I'm interested to know your views regarding 1.Kashmir & 2.Ram Mandir issue.
bluebird
kolkata, India
Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
149
Hahaha!No Need,you have done the unmanagable damage,there is no point in damage control.Any class 2 student will recognise the same grammatical mistakes,same spelling mistakes,same lack of punctuations in both the writings.However,good efort!Haha,have a nice day.
bluebird
kolkata, India
Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
148
What Mr. no need you want to build a new India. Are you living in dream. Come on man for India peace,unity and togetherness are bad words. The land will not allow any Christian or Muslim to survive. Even Hindus in India has quit India movement why you want to protect it. As I believe you belong to my religion I am not using my language, but if you try to protect India you will be the first person to loose, your own citizen will suck you. See how many muslims lost there life in Gujarat, see how many Sikhs last there life in Punjab and see how many Christians and nuns got raped and killed by hindu fundamentalist. IF you still want to protect it no use man , I can’t save you.
YOU KNOW WHO I AM
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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There is absolutely no relation between NO NEED and WHO I AM. It is up to you believe it or not. Ok that is not the case I am going to present.

Mr.BT you also look like psycho, infact every one in this forum is psycho that is why we are all taking things more personal and don’t even think about the logic that the third party need not be a Indian. The person who thrown lot of mud can’t be Indian and he also claim the same. But now it is time for us to realize are we going to divide our self as Hindu, Muslim and christens and allow a third guy to split us and divide us. You remember when you ask a muslim /Christian to come and protect India from evil force, remember you also need to recognize them too. You say all msulims are terrorist and all Christians are fundamentalist / evangelist and generalize things, as a Christians / muslim there is no need to protect fellow Hindu. But still lot of Christians and Muslim does that. Remember that.

This is the reply we should all give to that Pakistani, tell him, man mind your own business, we know how to recognize our Muslim, sikh and Christian friends. We are not fundamental Hindus nation we are republic of India , social secular country where all belief and religion have equality and right. We condemn godhra and we condemn the subsequent riot. What ever feelings and belief of difference we have still we are all brothers. The problem between brothers will be solved with in our self. India is not a nation made with religious system like Pakistan, India love growth and life. We invite other nations of different belief system to come to our land and do business and we go to others land and do business. We don’t restrict our business ethics with religion. We love to do business with US, Saudi, UK, Singapore, Malaysia and all nation which recognize human value more than religion as we recognize human value more than our religion. Yes India is passing through crisis but we all (hindu/muslim/Christian
) will join to make our land proud. Not a single humanbeing whether hindu/muslim/Christian will be left alone just because he has different opinion. In India muslim, Christians and hindus all have equal right and choices. In India every one has right to choose religion and out government is not protecting any religion because we all vaue all relegeion same. We never talk bad about others belief system as every belief system in India is part on Indian culture, we all own evry bit of all religions. We are all socially interrelated that is why people of same belief in international community recognize inida and appreciate our social togetherness. In India mulim,Christian , hindu are part of Indian tradition if any one talking bad about any one of them they are talking bad about full India, and we won’t allow it to happen. If you talk anyting Bad about anyone of Indian religion you will pay the price. Because we are all Indian and we respect all religion and humen value.

This is for all of us, very important from today onwards any criminal irrespective of hindu or muslim or Christian we will have common judgment and condemn irrespective of religion. there won’t be any generalization. We will not leave any community to fell insecure or under privilege. We won’t get instigated by our enemies’ word. Any body instigating communal violence he is enemy of India. We will punish them anything. Long live India and let it prosper through her tolerance and unity and through togetherness.
NO NEED
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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Congratulation No Need or Who I Am for showing your true colour and true culture(or lack of it).You have not only exposed yourself but also your hamis(supporters) in this forum.
bluebird
kolkata, India
Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
145
Hai BT hi hi, you call me psycho you are a big f--king psycho , what are you doing in Christian country that is why you are posting in US time. Go to India man your loving land, go and serve your f—ing land man. GO GO GO GO BT to f—king India.
YOU KNOW WHO I AM
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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Dear Bluebird,
Ignore this crackpot psycho muslim. Poor deranged fellow probably doesn't understand what we are saying anyway. He really needs some proper education.

I wonder if a professional psychiatrist can help this psycho, given his level of fixation and obsession about Infidel. I suspect he is schizophrenic, given the manner he impersonates everybody ese in all Outlook forums and claims everybody is Infidel. I think it's a classic case of split personality.

Poor fellow needs help, he will end up in a state-run mental asylum very soon. And man, they are really bad!
BT
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Feb 06, 2003 12:00 AM
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Outlook & Vinod,see the junk messages by the crackheaded fellow.Again he had nothing to say,perhaps he has no brain.So why don't you block the idiot, atleast for 1 month.It's better for your interest also.Otherwise genuine readers will lose interest.
bluebird
kolkata, India
Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
142
Sultan ,I think you have read the mail by No Need or who I am(it was extremely hard to understand even a single sentence).He did not attack fascists or right wing Hindus.He has insulted Indians & India as a whole & you should have protested that as an Indian.If you remained silent, I'd have thought that you disproved his views but by supporting him you have shown your true colour.This is precisely why police inspector Selim (in the film Sarfarosh)told his boss-"Sabji,hamara dushman mulk bahuthi kismatwala hai,hamare sath jang cherleke lie ushe sirf hatiar bhejna parta hai,apni sipahi nehi(Our enemy country is very lucky Sir,they have to send only weapons & not soldiers to wage a war against us)".People like you actively colaborate with them.People of the country now understand whom the commies & p-secs are supporting.
bluebird
kolkata, India
Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
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Extermination?

Ask any Ahmediya, Christian, Sikh or Hindu in Pakistan, if anyone is left there.
ACSH
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Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
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As I said many times before, it doesn't matter if Infidel Kafir uses whatever name he chooses. Let him be Bluebird, Bt, Vijay, or anything. What matters is his fanatical supporters are waiting for some answers.

So the questions to Infidel Kafir is, When are you going to take up your job as the Minister of Extermination of Minorities? After you annihilate the minorities, would you turn to castes other than your own? From your studying of the Nazi manuals of extermination, should we assume that you might want to copy the Nazi methods or are you going to develop your own methods of extermination? And how about the Human Extermination Research Lab? Are you going to be in charge of it too in addition to being the Minister for Extermination?

Please, Infidel, please don't evade the questions. You know your supporters are getting impatient.
special repoter assigned to cover Adolph Infidel eichman Kafir
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Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
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BLUEBIRD RAVI PILLAI,

Displaying the IP address won't be a problem for anybody else but you. After all you are the HATEMONGER. Your bashers bash only you and your fellow hatemongers. How is that bashing you be Hindu bashing? But you would say it is Hindu bashing because it suits your purposes.

Everybody here knows that it is YOU WHO SITS IN FRONT OF THE COMPUTER 24 HOURS A DAY and posts hate and propaganda messages using all kinds of names like BLUEBIRD, BT (Bigoted Toad?), INFDIEL KAFIR, NAROTHAM DESAI, VASISHT, ANONYMOUS HINDU etcetera. Oh you want the IP addresses displayed!! Really!!? You think anybody is going to be fooled by that bravado? You are saying that only because you want everyone to believe that Bluebird and BT and Narotham and Infidel are all different persons while inside you are hoping there won't be any display of the addresses!

Let's face it Ravi Pillai, the game was over long time ago. You are the only one who doesn't realize it. You are not here for discussion. You are here for propaganda and spreading hate only. You say you are telling truth that your baiters don't like? What truth? You are the biggest LIAR on this forum.

infidel fan
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Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
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Manvider the brave soldier, don’t fall in crooked hands of Hindu fundamentalist. You are my brother we may have controversy but still we are brother. You know what this hindu did to you and you are also among us who suffered mass killing and raping. You should have not dropped your claim for separate country, you should fight like a soldier. If there is no sikh there is no army for India, You know that and hindus all know about that. That is why today they are begging at your legs. Now you have better voice and hindus need to beg at you , but remember these hindus will beg till they need you then they will start there genocide once there hands go little up. Friend remember you are a soldier don’t loose that fight like a soldier.
YOU KNOW WHO I AM
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Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
137
I give dam about English that is not my language, and I am not a hindu who will beg for Christian English from Christian school. You guys don’t know your hindu Hindi and screw hindi and then put the hindi in the legs of Christian country language. I asked question give answer if you have guts. Other wise go and clean the ass of your Christian and Muslim boss.
YOU KNOW WHO I AM
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Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
136
Interesting article. read it sometime
shruti
Toronto, Cananda
Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
135
BT and Bluebird

you have written that there is a reader in this forum who sits in front of his computer 24 hours to oppose infidel kafir and is PROBABLY a muslim.

both of you are jokers. Any one who speaks against fascists is commie or PROBABLY a muslim in your opinion. Come out of your Sanghi mentality. Face the truth and criticism of people. We know that you admire Hitler who after killing thousands of innocents commited suicide. "Coward Bastard" And don't divert peoples attention by saying who is writing good english and who is writing bad english. if we go by your opinion first of all uncle vajpayee should stop speaking english on internationl platform. what happened to his "Hindi rashatrabhasha"


Probably a muslim
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Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
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You know who I am,
Firstly, I don't know who you are, and I don't give a toss.

Secondly, learn to write at least one single sentence in correct English before posting messages on national news sites.

Told you, your madrassah isn't good enough !!! Get some proper education.
BT
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Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
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Dear Manvinder,
You are probably new to these forums. There is a psycho here (most probably a muslim), whose only objective of staying alive is to post messages impersonating others, in particular Infidel Kaffir. He has a fixation on Infidel. You can usually spot this psycho by his low level of education (just look at the spelling, he wrote his name as 'infidal', and his language).

So don't be taken for a ride by messages posted by this psycho. The mesage you mentioned wasn't posted by Infidel Kaffir, it was just this psycho.
BT
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Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
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As I go through the posting I found one posting where Mr.Infidal called Sikhs as idiotic bastard. I tell to that friend Sikhs are not bastards they are created by two great concepts of world Hinduism and Muslimism. We are not hindus and we are not muslims but we have the tradition of both. The Sikhs were blamed for so many things and suffered like anything is past days in India. But still we all work for the benefit of the nation. I won’t mind if you could not appreciate our efforts. But if you defame our race, we are the brave soldiers we can teach big lessons,Even today the Indians security is depends on us. We may be minority in number but our strength is more powerful then any oher force.
Manvinder
WA, US
Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
131
Very last , don’t act in front of international community that you are all secular and you all love Christians and Muslims. Show your honest face. Tell We hate Christians and Muslims and we hate Christian education. Tell we hate Muslims gas. Tell we hate Muslim job. Tell we hate Christian dollars and ponds. Stop going to all Christian/muslim country for job, for education and for life style. Tell entire world we want to be barbaric fundamental India not secular india. Tell the world opens that we will not allow any other religion to practice in India. Tell openly we will have cast system and devadasi sytem and we will kill dalits and womem openly. Be courageous. Admit your face. Don’t act asif you love Christians and muslim and give equalitiy to them. You don’t like Christians and muslims admit it . You no courage loosers. Soon international community will see the true face of India.

YOU KNOW WHO I AM
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Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
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Ho man not panic, I know what is Hindu patriotic, go and serve Christian and Muslim country. Go and lick there dicks, and don’t have any courage other than Indian forum to talk bad about Christian or Muslim. I openly challenge can you guys go and talk bad about Christianity in your office if your are in Christian country and same way can go and talk bad about Muslim in Muslim country. You guys won’t even dare to raise the voice before them and if you could do you all know that you all will be sent back perfectly back to India which all Indian hate. Come on man I am asking basic question if you hate Christianity why you are begging for green card in a Christian country. If you hate muslim country why you go and ask for job in Dubai, Singapore, Malaysia and other muslim countries and why are you begging for gas from iran and from irack, and beg at Pakistan to allow there land to construct a pipe. Guys remember more than they need hindus you need Christian and muslims. If you truly hate Christians and muslims ask indain government to ban anybody going out of India. India patriotic always there in getting out of India. The first thing every one India will say I want to go US,UK Dubai, Malaysia, Singapore. What these countries man, are they hindu country. You f—rs you guys have guts only in Indian magazine forum to host your hate message and act as if you are all secular when it comes to international media. There you guys won’t even raise one word. All Indian are patriotic only in cricket and even there they loose. You useless Indians. You are all non patriotic and serving for Christian and muslims all through your life. Think have you ever had a ball to stand against any of them. All through your history you last your land to Christians and muslims and Sikhs and mangolies. Still Pakistan and china hold major part of India which you all claim in map. Where is you patriotism man. Losers. One open challenge to all of you can you post bad about Christianity in any of US magazine. If you could post the message and put the link man to show your courage, braveness and your patriotism. Even if you are in India you won’t do that. Because you always scared about Christian/Muslim countries. Today you only begging in legs of Christian country to solver your Kashmir problem. No use you guy always live in fools paradise and claim yourself so called hidutuva prestige which you yourself never felt proud when your are in international forum. You always talk proud about your self and only with your own guys
you know who i am
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Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
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Psycho: "FBI, FBI, the patriotic Hindus are chasing us away. They are saying things we can't answer. They are having an open and free discussion and talks about things that are banned in our thought process. FBI, FBI, come and scold these patriot Hindus....booo hooo hooo"

FBI: "P**s off psycho, or I'll f*****g lock you up for wasting our time."

Psycho (coming back top forum): "I have told FBI, they are coming...they are very angry with you...sniff sniff..."
BT
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Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
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Really? Panic in this forum? Where? Who is panicking? You perhaps?

Aren't you the guy who is still waiting for god to come down to earth and whisper to your ears confirming that muslims did godhra? Why are you still wasting time in this forum then?

Oooohhh...they've called FBI...Oooohh I am now scared....Oooohhh FBI was really weaiting for this clue from a psycho...all along....psychos of the world unite...
BT
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Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
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It does not matter whether he is a Muslim or Christian or Congressi,the point is that he dilutes the whole discussion,he has nothing to say.He believes in personal agenda of hate.And No Need, you too is a crack head ,otherwise you wouldn't have taken the FBI joke seriously.Your previous posts suggested that you are also unaware of current affairs & history.So next time when you write something it should be based on facts,not your wishes and hatred against Hindus who are the worst sufferer of violence by Muslims & Christians.
bluebird
kolkata, India
Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
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When one guy is going for FBI there is sudden panic in the forum. Why, if you really believe in what you post what is the problem you can justify the point even if it is anti Christian. And one more generalizing that guy who is posting is muslim, how you arrived to that conclusion. Why can’t it be a Christian , he mainly support Christian, and why can’t he be a Hindu who hate Indian and Indian activity, and why can’t he be a dalit who hate all hindus, why can’t it be sikh who don’t want to call himself a hidu. Generalizing with out proof and mass attacking is attitude of all Indian. If you are generalizing what the guy told is true , you are all morons ,if you are not generalizing it then they guy who went fbi is a moron.
NO NEED
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Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
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There is one problem in printing the IP address.This guy can send e-mails with virus.He accuses us of intolerance but look how intolerent he is.He can not digest even an innocent truthful opinion.This is the problem with all fundamentalists.They teach us Islam is a religion of peace & in the Madrassa they teach students to kill the kafirs.As long as the Muslims do not understand that to live in peace with Hindus they have to modify the violent verses,India can't live in peace.But who will make them understand,they will be destroyed but won't reform.
bluebird
kolkata, India
Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
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They don't even need to block the guy. All Outlook need to do is to print the IP address of every message. That would prove this psycho himself is using different names.

But Outlook do not have the guts to do that. Maybe because they have something to hide. Maybe because this psycho is one of their editorial staff. Who knows?
BT
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Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
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Mr. Vinod Mehta & Outlook,in the reader's opinion forum there is a one crackhead guy(probably a Muslim)who is smited by one reader Infidel-Kafir.He sits 24 hours in front of computer & wait for a truthful opinion(he thinks it anti-Muslim) to come & always writes some bogus stuff.I understand everybody has a freedom of expression but for the sake of good discussion this guy must be blocked as he has no opinion,nothing to say.The technology is pretty simple.Block the guy & let the discussion continue.This guy also uses foul language.So for decensy block him.
bluebird
kolkata, India
Feb 05, 2003 12:00 AM
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After making the complaint I let you know in the forum to be cautious. But if you guys think it is fun, then I can’t help it out. I am very serious and my complaint is also serious. I can put the complaint mail here, as it is valid one I don’t want to make a issue in the forum. I made a complain in mail with my name and all details required to take it as serious. Once that culprit is brought to justice you will all know the seriousness. If you wana take it casual but I am serious. As true human being for the welfare of millions of Christian and muslim and even hindus that hate promoting infidel need to brought to justice. I don’t know who is BT. BT if you wana play do it , I just caution you.
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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
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Really? You informed the FBI? Boy, you are so good and brave. FBI must be waiting all month precisely for this clue. They were spending sleepless nights. Now you have solved it for them. That's so clever of you.

Keep us up to date with your progress, won't you? Write to Bush also, while you are at it. Or may be Kofi Annan.

But did you make sure to supply bogus names just as you do in this forum? Otherwise they might lock you up for wasting their time with your sheer stupidity.

I also want to lodge a complaint to FBI and tell them to ban the koran, as it is the most violent, sexist, racist, abominable book written in human history. Can somebody give me a link of an online version of koran, so that I can send the link to them along with the numbers of the offensive verses?
BT
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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
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Good job Indian . I also support. If any official look into this site, please see all the hate posting made in the website. It is largely believed by many of us in this forum that tese are from one person in different name. We all perceived on the basis of language and ideas. As his posting are highly dangerous to Christian, Muslim and Hindu community and on the whole to the world, please track that guy and bring him to the justice.
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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
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I have just mailed to FBI the link for this page and informed them to look for indidal kafir posting and read the contents. I have clearly mentioned that this guy is in US and he hates Christians like anything. I also forwarded the links in the outlook that he made in different names including Ravipilai, anonymous hindu, draupathi metha. I clearly mentioned in my mail tracking him is very important as he is ill to even to India. I made my part so be confident that this hate promoting moron soon will pay a price.
Indian
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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
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BT,
There is AAAABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with A. Roy or anyone else making money of globalisation which they criticize.
ET
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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
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Infidel Kafir is full of hatred towards Christians as well as to Muslims and he lives among Christians in a western country. When living amidst the people he hates so much, isn't it quite possible that he could perpetrate some nasty act? The authorities should be quite concerned and he should be a suspect if some such act takes place. It would be a good thing for the authorities to place his movements under surveillance. With such intensity of hatred against Christians, how do we know he won't resort to any terrorist act against them when he is living right in their midst? It is high time his writings on this forum brought to the attention of the authorities.
Inform the authorities
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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
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Admire Roy?

Because she now has a bank balance of hefty many-crore Rs. and she is hypocrite enough to spew venom on the very globalisation that has enhanced her status and inflated her purse?
BT
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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
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infy kafee is going in circles ever since someone asked him to go stand in a corner. ignore the sad perv who is living off his mom/sis in a 2-bed mumbai apt probably in kamatipura.
INDIAN
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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
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Roy is a critic. Her duty is to criticize. She doesnt have to offer plausible solutions. That is for the politicians and the social order to sort out.

You dont have to agree with her, but dont swing to the other extreme and side the parties she is attacking. Admire her attitude. And her genius with the language.
INDIAN
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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
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You didn,t put any question, it is same vomiting hatred which has no validity and no truth in that. For a absolute nonsense you expect answer. Funny fellow.
REPLY TO INFIDEL KAFIR
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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
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I am surprised that none of the brain-washed minority robots have answered to the opinion below, have they lost their acid and dirty tongues??? Is it the same all readers are infidel kafir, infidel kafir story for these brutes and animals with no hearts or minds ??? Is this silence not criminal and wicked??
I know it is not empire's problem to care for hindus and sikhs.
Here is the message again, let our muslim friends and muslim intellectuals answer honestly to the various points and state whether they are true or not!!!
Has any muslim group or intellectual or social worker ever raised a little finger or protested verbally against this holocaust of millions and millions hindus and sikhs in Kashmir, Pakistan and Bangla Desh???
They will not care to protest because according to their favourite religious text, hindus and sikhs are infidel kafirs and they deserve to be burnt as in Godhra train and their eyes must be savagely removed as done by pakistani and bangla deshi soldiers.
Some reader wrote that sikhs are not kafirs like hindus??? It is a joke! The number of sikhs in pakistan after partition was about 10 million, now after 50 years of ethnic clenasing in Pakistan, it is just few thousands!!! Do you want more proof???
What is the fate of sikhs in Kashmir??? Just check the statistics of Sikhs there!
So the minority brutal robots of our country, eduated in madrasas and
fed on pure and blind hatred for infidel hindus and sikhs , whether they are educated or not educated will not raise a little finger or protest. This is because they "love" hindus and sikhs so much and they are the most "tolerant" and " most loving " people on earth.
Demolition of thousands and thousands of hindu and sikh places of worship is their hobby along with the brutal ethnic cleansing is part of
this brutal faith driven into their brains since childhood by the
mullahs !!!
Bush knows this hatred in them and he is taking proper action against these worst barbarians that world has known.
So long as their religious text classifies hindus and sikhs as kafirs and
infidels, this " loving" mentality is not likely to change.
So, kafir hindus and sikhs in India , beware if you are not to have the
same fate as hindus in Pakistan or Bangla Desh, to be butchered or burnt alive !!!
And there will be arundhati roy, ranjit bhhoshan , jha and Shabna Azmi and Anita Pratap and many other journalist friends to support this elimination and clean-up operation and they will applaud when the holocuast is complete!!
Remember this tragedy will happen only to hindus and sikhs because they have no guardians even in India!







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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
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I am surprised that none of the brain-washed minority robots have answered to the opinion below, have they lost their acid and dirty tongues??? Is it the same all readers are infidel kafir, infidel kafir story for
these brutes and animals with no hearts or minds ???
I know it is not empire's problem to care for hindus and sikhs. Here is the message again, let our muslim friends and muslim intellectuals answer honestly to the various points and state whether they are true or not!!!
Has any muslim group or intellectual or social workerever raised a little finger or protested verbally against this holocaust of millions and millions hindus and sikhs in Kashmir,
Pakistan and Bangla Desh???
They will not care to protest because according to their favourite religious text, hindus and sikhs are
infidel kafirs and they deserve to be burnt as in Godhra train and their eyes must be savagely
removed as done by pakistani and bangla deshi soldiers.
Some reader wrote that sikhs are not kafirs like hindus??? It is a joke! The number of sikhs in pakistan after partition was about 10 million, now after 50 years of ethnic clenasing in Pakistan, it is just few thousands!!! Do you want more proof??? What is the fate of sikhs in Kashmir??? Just check the statistics there!
So the minority brutal robots of our country, eduated in madrasas and
fed on pure and blind hatred for infidel hindus and sikhs ,
whether they are educated or not educated will not raise a little
finger or protest. This is because they "love" hindus and sikhs so much and they are the most "tolerant" and " most loving " people on earth.
Demolition of thousands and thousands of hindu and sikh places of worship is their hobby along with the brutal ethnic cleansing is part of
this brutal faith driven into their brains since childhood by the mullahs !!! Bush knows this hatred in them and he is taking proper action against these worst barbarians that world has known.
So long as their religious text classifies hindus and sikhs as kafirs and
infidels, this " loving" mentality is not likely to change.
So kafir hindus and sikhs, beware if you are not to have the
same fate as hindus in Pakistan or Bangla Desh, to be butchered or burnt alive !!!
And there will be arundhati roy, ranjit bhhoshan , jha and Sahabna Azmi and Anita Pratap and many other journalist friends to support this elimination and clean-up operation and they will applaud when the holocuast is complete!!
Remember this tragedy will happen only to hindus and sikhs becausethey have no guardians even in India!
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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
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Another jewel contribution from Arundhati. Our family and friends will have her words in mind as we join Sydney's march against war (I N V A S I O N!!!)on Sunday, 16 Feb and at which John Pilger will be a speaker. George Young.
George Young
Sydney, Australia
Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
109
What a stunningly eloquent piece. My congratulations to Arundhati Roy for being such an articulate rabble-rouser. We need more like her.


Jon Krampner
Los Angeles, United States
Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
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blah blah blah...just recycled commie material. Once this was a staple speech of all Indian communist leaders. Ms Roy and fellow anti-globalization activist have taken up the space vacated by the commies. I am amazed at the sheer arrogance of Ms Roy, she has zero experience about most of the stuff she comments on, What the hell does she know about Global economics?
HeHaw
Hoboken, US
Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
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Infidel Kafir has established his credentials as a hatemonger who despises muslims and christians. We also know that he lives in the West in the middle of christians, his hatred of whom he has very clearly expressed, not once, many many times. Now the question to ask is with all that hatred towards them, would he do something dastardly? How can anyone know for sure he wouldn't? If something bad happens in his neighbourhood, shouldn't he be one of the suspects? Shouldn't the police put him under surveillance? After all, after 9/11, people are put under surveillance for lesser reasons.

Wouldn't it be proper for the readers here to inform the police about his postings on this forum? They can track him down easily and keep him under surveillance.
inform the police
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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
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That gentle man “no need” clearly told that fundamental hindus can’t believe it can be Hindu. He is addressing the muslim friends. I believe he is not muslim. There are few goods Hindus still exist ,of course it is hard for you to believe.


muslim Friend of no need
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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
105
You didn,t put any question, it is same vomiting hatred which has no validity and no truth in that. For a absolute nonsense you expect answer. Funny fellow.
Reply to INFIDEL KAFIR
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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
104
How about this Bluebird guy? Isn't he also Infidel Kafir? He thinks people would fall for his stupid fake autobiography. What a moron!
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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
103
INFIDEL KAFIR IS THE GUY (THE REPTILE) WHO POSTS AS BT AND BLUEBIRD.
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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
102
SULTAN,don't misunderstand my elder brother from Kashmir.He is working in the Air Force there, in the technical wing.He is watching deaths everyday of his buddys.But I certify you none of us are communal.My grandfather is a mohajir from Bangladesh.We were extremely prosporous there but one sudden night everything was lost.One of my aunts were captured & forcebely married by a Muslim.But believe me, we forgot everything.My grandfather was a district level leader of CPIM.My most reletives are active member of the party.I study in an engineering college and upto June last year I had a girl friend with whom my relation was very close.She is a Muslim girl.from her I had to learn many thing about Islam and I admire the social justice system of Islam but not every thing.I sincerely think Islam needs to modernise(as also Hinduism regarding casteism),that too has to come from Muslims themselves.Educated people like you should contribute.If we can forget the riots you should also forget the Gujarat riot.Insha Allah, India will prosper & live in peace.
bluebird
kolkata, India
Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
101
I am surprised that none of the brain-washed robots have answered to the opinion below, have they
lost their acid and dirty tongues??? Is it the same bull shit that all readers are infidel kafir, infidel kafir story for these brutes and animals with no hearts or minds ???
I know it is not empire's problem to care for hindus and sikhs. Here is the message again, let our muslim friends answer honestly to the various points and state whether they are true or not!!! Please answer to the points without lying to your own conscience, if you have any conscience.
BT, you have done really a god job! Hope others make their observations and let us make it a real good discussion.
For those who did not read the earlier post, please read it below.
Has any muslim group or intellectual or social worker
ever raised a little finger or protested verbally against this
holocaust of millions and millions hindus and sikhs in Kashmir, Pakistan and Bangla Desh???
They will not care to protest because according to their favourite religious text, hindus and sikhs are infidel kafirs and they deserve to be burnt as in Godhra train and their eyes must be savagely
removed as done by pakistani and bangla deshi soldiers.
So the minority brutal robots of our country, eduated in madrasas and
fed on pure and blind hatred for infidel hindus and sikhs ,
whether they are educated or not educated will not raise a little
finger or protest. This is because they "love" hindus and sikhs so much and they are the most "tolerant" and " most loving " people on earth. The hindi cinema crowded with khans and other non-violent, loving people has also done its bit to make the impression that the minorities are the best humans on earth.
Demolition of thousands and thousands of hindu and sikh places of worship is their hobby along with the brutal ethnic cleansing is part of
this brutal faith driven into their brains since childhood by the mullahs !!!
So long as their religious text classifies hindus and sikhs as kafirs and
infidels, this " loving" mentality is not likely to change.
So kafir hindus and sikhs, beware if you are not to have the
same fate as hindus in Pakistan or Bangla Desh, to be
butchered or burnt alive !!!
And there will be arundhati roy, ranjit bhhoshan , jha and Sahabna Azmi and Anita Pratap and many other journalist friends to support this elimination and clean-up operation and they will applaud when
the holocuast is complete!! Remember this tragedy will happen only to hindus and sikhs because they have no help or guardians even in hindu-majority India!






















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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
100
That Sikh is an idiotic basted; I don’t have any problem if Sikhs don’t want to be part of Indias majority. They already paid the price for this kind of attitude and I don’t know how Sikhs still be irrational. Indian hindus always do mistake to these pathetic minorities. These head turbaned basteds given big reservation in military and still they want them self to be identified separately. Kick there asses then they will know what they deserve.
Infidal
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Feb 04, 2003 12:00 AM
99
SULTAN AKHTAR PATEL,
>>>Secondly, if our friends BT & BLUEBIRD are so enamoured of the man-made system of social justice>>>

You bet we are. There is no 'if' in that. If you and your friends have so much problems with 'man-made' systems, then ask them to go live in Paki, Saudi and other 'god-made' countries. In the civilised world, everything is man-made.

If you don't like that, go live someplace you like. Leave us alone.

>>>Even now, not a single writer ranging from Anil Dharkar to "Dhati Roy and Anita Pratap to Amit Chaudhury & scores of other celebrated columninsts and writers>>>

Celebrated, eh? Celebrated by who? A bunch of commies write crap and a bunch of muslims clap. Boy, some celebration!

>>>I am quite surprised with your equally faulty perceptions! You people must study the books properly and what is written between the lines to broaden your spectrums and thinking horizons.>>>

Are you talking about your great holy book? Then listen up: why do you guys get so defensive the moment somebody starts quoting from koran? Is it because it is an indefensible, vile, violent, racist, sexist charter of a murderous cult? The moment somebody starts quoting from koran, all muslims go into a huddle and starts blabbering: 'no no, you must read between the lines', 'no no you must read with an open mind'...blah blah blah. Why? Why do I have to read between the lines? Are you too scared that otherwise I might find out what sort of a ghastly book it is?

>>>You must know our great Prophet has pardoned a general amnesty to all after the victory of Mecca>>>

Really? You mean that mad man actually left people alive to issue amnesty? people who were not converted? people who were not enslaved? people who didn not accept your god as the god? Anybody at all?


>>>We follow his untiring efforts for the affinity, brotherhood and the peaceful co-existence.>>>

Give him some more credit. What about his great effort to kill everybody who disagreed, to enslave all captured pagans? to have unlimited sex with slave women? to write a book of violence and pass it off as god's words?

>>>Those who have chosen India as their Motherland, should be given the opportunity to come into national mainstream.>>>

It is beyond me why any muslim was allowed to stay in India at all. Now we are reaping the harvest of that stupidity. So you lot come and occupy and pillage our country for centuries, then you break our country, and we have to be nice to you and invite you to our country with open arms? Which drug are you on?

No power on earth can bring you lot to the mainstream. Period. In every civilised country, I mean every single goddamn civilised country, you lot are the biggest source of trouble. Be it in US, UK, China, Russia, Holland, France, India, Italy, Spain, Germany, Phillipines, Singapore, Israel....every single friggin' country.

And muslims are always the good guys, it's always somebody else's fault that they are in shit.
BT
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Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
98
There is one muslim here in this forum who pretends to be a Hindu. According to him, no proof is proof enough for suggesting muslims were directly responsible for Godhra.

Even if every child of the country knows that it was done by muslims, he doesn't.

Even when the police makes scores of muslim arrests, that's not good enough for him.

He won't be satisfied until God comes down to earth and whispers to his ear confirming that muslims were the killers.

Well, I can't wait that long. In the meantime, who gives a toss about what he believes anyway?
BT
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Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
97
To all patriot Hindu brothers and sisters,
Please don't waste time by responding to the junk messages posted by muslims and commies under bogus names here.

Let's stick to the debate.

Remember, that's what commies and muslims fear most: free debate, free thoughts and open discussion.
BT
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Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
96
It is funny the infidel kafir always include Sikhs with his Hindu list. For his notice today Minister Sukdevh sing condemn that act of RSS categorizing Sikhs are also Hindus. He says Sikhs have there own identity and also claims the sikh is born out of two religion hindu and muslim. Infidal Sikhs don’t want them to identify with all hindus ok, stop including one community for your own benefit.
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Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
95
One more thing, he is not good even for propaganda. Whatever Infidel Kafir writes is too obvious as propaganda. He is the best thing for secularism.
presad
dc,
Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
94
Why does he post the same propaganda again and again? Does anyone read them? I have read a few in the beginning. Now as soon as I see the first sentence, I know it is him, so I just run my eyes over it just to confirm it is him, but I never read it. All that he proves is he is not very bright.
prasad
DC,
Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
93
FOR EVERYONE'S INFORMATION, THE MESSAGE BELOW WAS POSTED BY INFIDEL KAFIR.
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Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
92
I am surprised that none of the brain-washed robots have answered to the opinion below, have they lost their acid and dirty tongues??? Is it the same all readers are infidel kafir, infidel kafir story for these brutes and animals with no hearts or minds ??? Here is it again.
Tell me, has any muslim group or intellectual or social worker
ever raised a little finger or protested verbally against this
holocaust of millions and millions hindus and sikhs in Kashmir,
Pakistan and Bangla Desh???
They will not care to protest because according to their favourite religious text, hindus and sikhs are infidel kafirs and they deserve to be burnt as in Godhra train and their eyes must be savagely removed as done by pakistani and bangla deshi soldiers.
So the minority brutal robots of our country, eduated in madrasas and
fed on pure and blind hatred for infidel hindus and sikhs ,
whether they are educated or not educated will not raise a little
finger or protest. This is because they "love" hindus and sikhs so much and they are the most "tolerant" and loving people on earth.
Demolition of thousands and thousands of hindu and sikh places of worship is their hobby along with the brutal ethnic cleansing is part of
this brutal faith driven into their brains since childhood by the mullahs !!!
So long as their religious text classifies hindus and sikhs as kafirs and
infidels, this " loving" mentality is not likely to change.
So kafir hindus and sikhs, beware if you are not to have the
same fate as hindusin Pakistan or Bangla Desh, to be
butchered or burnt alive !!!
And there will be arundhati roy, ranjit bhhoshan , jha and Sahabna Azmi and Anita Pratap and many other journalist friends to support this elimination and clean-up operation and they will applaud when the holocuast is complete!! Remember this tragedy will happen only to hindus and sikhs because they have no guardians even in India!
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Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
91
Thanks you to infidel kafir for accepting Indian are not seculars. I don’t understand how Indians claim themself secular, a word used to cheat international community. For India there is nothing is called secularism, socialism, communism, capitalism these are western concept. They know only one thing that barbarism, and genocidism. It is funny in India thal all musim,Christian, Sikhs, magolies, buthisam, jainisam are felling unsecured and they are all mass murdered and still India call herself secular. I don’t mind you killing and mass rapping but why you guys are doing in secular name. Change your country name as barbaric hindu fundamental India and go ahead with what you are doing. Why you want cheat the world. Act asif you are secular and behind go and rape all minority woman and kill all men. I know why because you need Christian country dollar and Muslim countries job and gas so you act asif you don’t have religion and all people you accept. Come on India be honest tell to the world that you are no longer secular , don’t fall in the legs of chrisitan and mulsims country. Order all hindus to come back to your own Indian hindu land from US,UK, Europe, Saudi, Malaysia, Singapore …etc. Then clean all non hindus from your land. Mainly even clean all the lowcast hindus too. Because for you even lowcast is minority. Come on India make your land as hindu land not as secular land. I also wish to see India as a land of bunch of hindus not a secular land(Acting). Order all hindus to come back to India what they are doing in christian land. See if you are going to kill muslim and chrisitans in your land how they can be safe in muslim and chrisitan land. Order them to come back to your hindu fundamental land. OK don’t forget change your name.
You know who I am
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Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
90
No Need,

There are no 'many people' as you think. If you see names like BT, Bluebird, Narotham Desai, Jibananda, they are all the same guy who posts also as Infidel Kafir. He used to post as Ravi Pillai in the beginning and also have used other names like Vasisht, Anonymous Hindu, Draupati Mehta, etc. You can also see him posting long unsigned messages. Yes those, long messages you see repeated again and again.
infidel fan
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Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
89
Many people posted in this form telling I am Muslim. I know for hardcore fundamentalist it is very hard to believe that a hindu will support innocent Muslims. I am not making this post to reply any of the guys who confronted my idea that there is no proof to show that Muslims as community involved in sabarmatti express burning due to hatred. Instead of accepting the fact people are here to throw mud( till now no link is posted to prove it. That is why leally and ethically as a community you are pure). For them I am a muslim because I am defending some truth. I made it clear it is unworthy to reply them. This posting is for muslim friends, I am not muslim, I am half hindu and half chrisitan. The main purpose of my disclosure is to share you that not all hindus are barbaric, there are people like me who understand you and willing to co exist. Today some infidel is promoting hatreds he is enemy to me like the person who promote hared among muslim. It is true and 100% guaranteed that I am not muslim. If muslims belive that these words are from non muslim and there are people who are there to understand them it is fine for me. I hope you do because there is no need for a muslim to un-identify him.
NO NEED
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Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
88
It's clear that our friends BT AND BLUEBIRD have gone out of their heads on Ms Roy's write-up "Confronting Empire". It was the same Roy who people like you have identified with India when she got the prestigious Booker a few years ago. And now she is a butt of your fury. What a paradoxical! I mean you had liked to be buttered or comfortable with the ideas fitting your mindset.
Secondly, if our friends BT & BLUEBIRD are so enamoured of the man-made system of social justice then it is my sincere advice to them to scan through the reports submitted by Srikrisha Investigation Team and more recently, SV Krishna Iyer in light of the communal violence and series of articles, essays, investigations both the governmental Bodies and NGOs, group discussins and so on. Are they all "off-the-cuff"?! Even now, not a single writer ranging from Anil Dharkar to "Dhati Roy and Anita Pratap to Amit Chaudhury & scores of other celebrated columninsts and writers are day-in and day-out washing the dirty linens. What about them, are they all just wasting their precious time for nothing?! If you are so stickler for the man-made system then you are being friendly advised to look upon the 'dullards' around us who are not able to take a few dreaded to task. What about those goons who have killed innocent sikhs and their kids and raped women during riots broken out after Mrs. Indira Gandhi's assassination. Is there any justice meted out to them? Likewise the other parts of the country. We have politicized the basic necessities of the ordinary human life just for the poltical advantage of the few power hungry and still you have that 'uncalled for' and 'unfounded' faith in such faulty governance, I am quite surprised with your equally faulty perceptions! You people must study the books properly and what is written between the lines to broaden your spectrums and thinking horizons. You could have seen Ms. Mayawati tossed her birthday bash, at what cost, and for whom, while scores of hungry and homeless were freezing to death on the roads of the Capital (Refer to Anita Pratap's article "Freeze on Poor") and her recent article "The Recto Page of the History". Something have terribly gone wrong with our system and it is we who have to improve the snags before it is too late. The Almighty gives everyone a chance to rule. If it is for the better governance, it will last else it will get punctured, burst and blown out into smithereens leaving not a trace on the pages of history. I vividly remember Mrs. Gandhi's rule. She looked to be a virtually invincible. But the times have swept away the legacy and even the clan has reduced to almost 'nothing' and whatever is a remainder is struggling in front of us to stage a comeback. What all these show. My friends, just take a deep breath and try to think positively, you will get the real answer.

All in all, I must admit the 'seamy' side of the Muslims whose leaders have let the community down, rendered them 'uneducated' and 'unrepresented'. But the glimmer of hope has not died down. There is an 'awareness' being sprouted after some drubbing the community has faced far and wide. And InshaAllah, that day of sunshine will come.

You must know our great Prophet has pardoned a general amnesty to all after the victory of Mecca. We follow his untiring efforts for the affinity, brotherhood and the peaceful co-existence. Before partition, Muslims and Hindus have fought to get the country rid of the yokes of the colonial powers. Those who have chosen India as their Motherland, should be given the opportunity to come into national mainstream. Islam and the broader concept of Monotheism doesn't prevent any Muslim to be a good scientist, Engineer, Doctor, IT professonal and so on and so on.

Don't get stuck on "pettifogging" and remove your colored glasses to see the things as they are.

Best Wishes,
Sultan Akhtar Patel
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
87
Why isn't Ms. Roy our President? The world gets Ms. Roy [thank heavens]. The US gets stuck with an ignorant murderer. Is there not something wrong with this picture?
T Quigly
peoria, usa
Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
86
What I found strange is that Arundhati Roy managed to write 1745 word on “Confronting Empire” without so much as hinting that the most oppressive tool of the Empire is the English language. In the India that I left in 1980, in the India in which I had been unemployed for three years mainly because I did not speak English—-not with the right accent anyway—-English language used to be the most effective social marker dividing the haves from the have-nots, the ruling class from the ruled, the comprador class from the dispossessed. In ten trips that I have made to India since then, the last of which ended less than a month ago, I have seen a lot of change, much of it superficial, but little that indicates that the asphyxiating stranglehold of the English-speaking class over the country's socio-economic life has loosened in the slightest. English was when I left, as it remains to this day, the means by which a vast majority of Indians are kept from having a say in their own affairs. It is not merely a means of disenfranchisement, it is a tool of oppression. In my experience, those who cannot speak English enjoy more liberties, have greater economic and civil rights, and are accorded greater dignity in the USA than they are in the so-called Independent India. Perhaps, Ms. Roy’s failure to "confront" this most obvious aspect of "Empire" has to do with the fact that it is precisely her facility with English that gives her the limelight she currently enjoys, not to mention her livelihood. If she had a hundredth of the anti-imperialistic fervor she claims, she would realize that while her choice to speak and write in English gives her entry into the international lecture circuit, it also renders her largely irrelevant. Her English-speaking readership, at least the part that resides in India, is fully in cahoots with the Empire she rails against, and has neither the intent nor the stomach to "Confront Empire."
Kanchhedia Chamaar
Berkeley, California, USA
Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
85
What I found strange is that Arundhati Roy managed to write 1745 word on “Confronting Empire” without so much as hinting that the most oppressive tool of the Empire is the English language. In the India that I left in 1980, in the India in which I had been unemployed for three years mainly because I did not speak English—-not with the right accent anyway—-English language used to be the most effective social marker dividing the haves from the have-nots, the ruling class from the ruled, the comprador class from the dispossessed. In ten trips that I have made to India since then, the last of which ended less than a month ago, I have seen a lot of change, much of it superficial, but little that indicates that the asphyxiating stranglehold of the English-speaking class over the country's socio-economic life has loosened in the slightest. English was when I left, as it remains to this day, the means by which a vast majority of Indians are kept from having a say in their own affairs. It is not merely a means of disenfranchisement, it is a tool of oppression. In my experience, those who cannot speak English enjoy more liberties, have greater economic and civil rights, and are accorded greater dignity in the USA than they are in the so-called Independent India. Perhaps, Ms. Roy’s failure to "confront" this most obvious aspect of "Empire" has to do with the fact that it is precisely her facility with English that gives her the limelight she currently enjoys, not to mention her livelihood. If she had a hundredth of the anti-imperialistic fervor she claims, she would realize that while her choice to speak and write in English gives her entry into the international lecture circuit, it also renders her largely irrelevant. Her English-speaking readership, at least the part that resides in India, is fully in cahoots with the Empire she rails against, and has neither the intent nor the stomach to "Confront Empire."
Kanchhedia Chamaar
Berkeley, California, USA
Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
84
Every body agrees that Congress governments of past 50 years did nothing to prevent the ethnic cleansing of hindus inpakistan, and bangla desh and they did nothing to prevent the ethnic cleansing of hindus even in Indian part of kashmir.
It isnot the empire's or america's problem, is'nt it??
Did Indian journalists including Arundhati Roy write a single article on this terrible catastrophe for the past 50 years other than this surprising one
by Outlook. Is it because that the victims of ethnic cleansing were infidel kafir hindus and not christians???
Of course Arundhati Roy will write thousands of firy articles and give hundreds of lectures all over the world if a christian missionary is killed in a traffic accident in india, saying tha hindus are intolerant and ethnically cleansing christians and minorities in a really savage manner!!! Are you fir to be called intellectual? Are you not a trader trading on bull shit?? This is the standard of our p-sec intellectuals!!! Who said minorities do not rule India??!
Now let me ask this question, what has BJP, supposed to a hindu party done to the hindus in India??
See what BJP has done!!
They have increased the haj subsidy for muslim pilgrims to visit saudi arabia to about 2000 crores rupees every year when millions of hindus are living in dire poverty and struggling to have one meal a day in India and when many
thousands of hindus and sikhs are being brutally butchered and eliminated by terrorists in Kashmir!!
What is Vhp, Bajrang dal and Shiva Sena,Togadia and hindu
sants doing to stop these abnomal behaviours of the hindu bjp party?
Just sleeping or meditating as usual!!
Why the present government cannot give a subsidy of 5000 rupees each to every Hindu family every year to a pilgrimage to a temple of their choice any where in India???
For example, a north indian family can visit a south indian temple,etc,etc and a south indian family can be paid similar allowance for a pilgrimage to a north Indian temple every year..
The government can give allowances instead of cash, such as tickets for hotels or railway or air tickets,etc to hindu pilgrims and this will rejuvenate our
economy to a great extent.
Is Mr Modi and Togadia and Singhal and Thackerey, Bajrang Dal and hindu leaders listening, please???
This sort of subsidy or allowance will help national integration
and greater unity of people also which many p-secs and enemies of india
like Aroondhati will not naturally like!!
Has the Bjp leaders and its government the courage and planning to do this favour to hindus, irrespective of castes??
Instead of rhe above, will they not increase the haj subsidy to muslims next year to 3000 crores rupees, from present 2000 crores???
We have to wait and see what they do next!!! BJP is capable of doing great surprises.


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Feb 02, 2003 12:00 AM
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sister arundhati,
people want to make you anti-hindu, anti-west, anti-development, pro-jihad, pro-fame. but we find you standing astonishingly balanced in your thoughts, writing, speech and activities. we owe you so much for your democratic spirit that internationalize the voicelss agony of the injustices. Thank you arundhati.
anees
calicut, india
Feb 02, 2003 12:00 AM
82
arundhati

u r a gutsy lady. keep up the good work.
raj
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Feb 02, 2003 12:00 AM
81
Arundhati

We sure would not like our rivers to be polluted and our land laid waste by chemicals (and with it the spontaneity of our lives!). I agree India should not globalise - but when I think of the alternatives I shudder!

If we don't open our markets, we become 'kafirs' to the rich and mighty of the world. And their gods allow them to perform any atrocity on kafirs without guilt. If we don't open up, we'll be left poor and will not be able to defend whatever we used to stand for even against the Chinas and Pakistans (and Bangladesh's) of the world, what to say of the US and GB.

We are already kafirs to the worlds largest community of relegious bigots - Muslims, and we'll become kafirs to the worlds greediest bigots the US & GB if we don't open up.

Your bhashan is exciting to read but just think of the alternatives.

Rajesh
Rajesh Chary
Mumbai, India
Feb 02, 2003 12:00 AM
80
Ok, Let us go by the tantrums from Ms. Arundathi and ask what is the solution to the problems ?. It is ironic for her to keep shooting comments with no suggestions for the problem. Globalization and Corporatisation has ensured the growth of atleast 5% for the past 11 years. It has brought India from bankruptcy. So, if you have a alternative for Socialism and Capitalism then indulge us an let us know about it. I think you would acknowledge that Socialism has wrecked havoc not only in India but everywhere else. It is convaluted to state that Capitalism is equal to imperialism while ignoring to mention that socialism is worse than that. I'm stating this since you have not talked about what is happening with the socialism. I hope that it was plain oversight and that you are not stressing that socialism is better for India.
A Gauri Shankar
Beaverton, USA
Feb 02, 2003 12:00 AM
79
We need to persuade Ms. Roy to take a sabbatical from writing all together.. not just from fiction..
Alok Daga
Toronto, Canada
Feb 02, 2003 12:00 AM
78
Boy!So Sultan has actually revealed his intention.It's not a case of one Sultan but it's evry Muslim's dream.Let me discuss their dream in a humourous way-Dreams Of Muslims:In the year 2100 we will live in the Dar-ul-Alam ruled by a pious Khalifa and surrounded by the bounty our Lord promised us:1.All men will be free from the curse of razor burns that has plagued mankind for centuries.2.Women cloaked in a tent like burqas will be protected from the sun & their complexion will blossom without the help of Fair & Lovely.
3.the faithful will never have to suffer just because the singular wife has a mussle pain-they will be able to choose from a harem of 4 plus 40
4.Children will not have to struggle with 20 text books & useless subject like Indian National Movement,Mathematics,English etc-all they is need to do is "memorize one book,which holds all the answers"(Quran)
5.The state will provide free entertainment every Friday in the form of stonning,behading,lashing-all U rated entertainment for the whole family.
6.We won't have to keep track with bank holidays-as all the banks will be closed once we do away with the curse of currency & go back to the blessings of barter trade.
7.No more traffic jams & pollution once we go back to riding camels & donkeys to uphold the order of Sunnah.8.No more load sheddings,once we harness the power of the jinns to produce zillions of MWs in the Hazrat Suleman Jinn Power Plant.9.As far as the dastardly Hindus,they won't have the nerve to bother us once we have raised a few squdrons of Ababil(myth:birds who killed elephants by dropping pebbles from their beaks).
So don't let the lackeys of the Hindus,the heretics & hypocrites discourage you from following the true path,the Sirat-ul-Mustaqeem,which will lead you to the glory for Ummah.
bluebird
kashmir, India
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
77
Every body agrees that Congress governments of past 50 years did nothing to prevent the ethnic cleansing of hindus in pakistan, and bangla desh and they did nothing to prevent the ethnic cleansing of hindus even in Indian part of kashmir.It is not the empire's or america's problem, is'nt it??
Of course Arundhati Roy will write thousands of firy,spirited articles and give hundreds of lectures all over the world if a christian missionary is killed in a traffic accident in india, saying that hindus are intolerant and ethnically cleansing christians and minorities in a really savage manner!!! This is the standard of our p-sec intellectuals!!!
Now let me ask this question, what has BJP, supposed to be a hindu party done to the hindus in India?? See what BJP has done!!
They have increased the haj subsidy for muslim pilgrims to visit saudi arabia to about 2000 crores rupees every year when millions of hindus are living in dire poverty and struggling to have one meal a day in India and when many thousands of hindus and sikhs are being brutally butchered and eliminated by terrorists in Kashmir!!
What is Vhp, Bajrang dal and Shiva Sena,Togadia doing to stop these abnomal behaviours of the hindu bjp party? Just sleeping as usual!!
Why the present government cannot give a subsidy of 5000 rupees each to every Hindu family every year to a pilgrimage to a temple of their choice
any where in India??? For example, a north indian family can visit a south indian temple,etc,etc.
The government can give allowances for hotels or railway or air tickets,etc to hindu pilgrims and this will rejuvenate our economy to a great extent. Is Mr Modi and Togadia and Singhal and Thackerey listening, please???
This will help national integration and greater unity of people also which many p-secs and enemies of india like Aroondhati will not naturally like!!
Has the Bjp leaders and its government the courage and planning to do this favour to hindus, irrespective of castes??
Instead of rhe above, will they not increase the haj subsidy next
year to 3000 crores rupees, from present 2000 crores ???
We have to wait and see what they do next!!! BJP is capable of doing great surprises.






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Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
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Gayathri,
You have to understand Millionnaire Roy's psyche. She has earned many crores by writing her one-hit-wonder through globalised, giant, international book publishers. She knows (as we all do), she can't produce another book that will earn her anything remotely near that amount.

So, now that her bank balance is at a healthy multi-crore rupees, she doesn't have much else to do, how exactly is she supposed to spend her time?

Yes, you guessed it, do what takes the least effort of all: preach others and jump on the fashionable leftie bandwagon.
BT
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Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
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SULTAN AKHTAR PATEL,

>>>BT has unnecessarily tried to lock his/her horns.

Nothing is unnecessary. My comments only brought out the real muslim in you, who doesn't believe in man-made democracy and secularism, yet preaches others.

>>>I personally, for myself bother the least about secularism.

Good for you. Perhaps then you can also tell other muslims in India to bother less about it and let us establish a Hindu state.

>>>I want Islamism to prevail for the social justice.

But I don't. In fact I and several billion other free people will do anything in our power to make sure the world doesn't turn Muslim. So what are you gonna do about it? Kill us all, like your holy book says?

>>>Islam rejects man-made system as it reeks of injustice. Try to take a detached view of Islam instead of getting drowned by the din of "terrorism" erroneously pitted against Islam and Muslims.

I don't care what your Islam tells you, nor am I interested. I will protect my freedom and my way of life whatever it takes. The samples of Islamic societies and Islamic justice is there for all to see, and I hate what I see. So thank you.

***

There was one evil empire: it was called the communist empire. We got rid of it.

There is now another empire of evil: the islamic one. I have no doubt in my mind that we will get rid of it as well.
BT
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Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
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I take it that "balls" is being used in a metaphorical sense, but I still object. I may not agree with all she says, but how many of anyone of us have actually put our money where our mouth is?

Which other writer has bothered to even take time out to engage on behalf of the deprived. More power to her!
Gayathri Menon
Phoenix, USA
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
73
thank you sulthan for accepting u r an islamist,
at least u r honest.. if u dont believe in secularism and man made systems y do u expect the hindus to believe in secularism ?
going back, if u r an indian, i dont understand y u r one. u should have been in pakistan bcoz its islamic and for pure people like u.
most of these problems exist only because india didnot enforce the 2 nation theory like pakistan.. if it had done so, at least we wouldnt have had people like sulthan amongst us. he is an alien to me.. atleast.
infidel-kafir
kafirtown, kafirstan
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
72
jai hind.
roy and bhadwai does not have the balls to denounce jehad even in india. they are fully aware that they can get away with demonizing hindus. btw, most ppl who speak against the jehadis will have to pay for their lives. i remember a progressive maulvi from kerala who disappeared overnight. people say he was killed by the jehadis in kerala. no body protested against his killing. not even roy and bhadwai.
actually when u read the rantings of these self styled intellectuals, its easy to understand the growth of hindu militancy... these people are ones who are pushing hindus towards the bjp. i am sure the sangi chaps admire them in private.
infidel-kafir
kafirtown, kafirstan
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
71
Answer the direct questions instead of beating about the bush.

Good to know that you don't care about secularism, though. Muslims usually don't, except when in countries where they are a minority.
BT
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Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
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BT has unnecessarily tried to lock his/her horns. I personally, for myself bother the least about secularism. I want Islamism to prevail for the social justice. Islam rejects man-made system as it reeks of injustice. Try to take a detached view of Islam instead of getting drowned by the din of "terrorism" erroneously pitted against Islam and Muslims.
Sultan Akhtar Patel
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
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To SULTAN AKHTAR PATEL from RIYADH, SAUDI ARABIA,

I find it really funny when Muslims also start preaching others about nice things like secularism and democracy. Aren't these all man-made systems? Do Muslims not hate and reject man-made systems? Worse, Muslims lecture us on the virtues of secularism whenever they are a minority. Talk about implementing a secular society in Saudi or Paki and you will be lucky to see daylight again.

And since when Muslims start preaching the rest of the world about freedom of speech as well?

Is there no end to this commie-muslim hypocrisy?
BT
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Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
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Mr SULTAN AKHTAR PATEL,

Is the Saudi society or any other muslim contry ready for somebody like Roy amongst them??Talk of Taslima Nasreen etc.India does not need people like Roy.And people like Roy do not have the balls to go to a muslim country and denouce jehad and Islamic thuggery.

It's easy to declare no feeling of patriotism in india or other democracies.U may even be rewarded with petro dolllars.But try doing that in a Islamic country.
Jai Hind
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Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
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http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/
2002/09/27/stor ies/
2002092701300500.htm

just have a look
No need for this
humanland, World
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
66
"Confronting Empire" is like a sumptuous meal always leaves its taste until another morsel of good comes to take its place. Ms. 'Dhati Roy is by all measures, a brilliant writer, critic, columnist and if I don't exaggerate a great psycho-analyst too, since the depath of her writings are prone to such sort of quality normally found in the category of humans who always take a broader view and cover many and varied protagonists under the single header. Moreover, she talks straight from the core of her heart and that's how her writings are forthright and fairly and squarely hitting the nail on its head.

India is in dire need of the likes of Ms. Roy who can project the plausible ringside view of our vicious Indian political scenario and that of the whole globe and never leaves an opportunity to vent it out for the people to be aware of the shady "wheels and deals" of our so-called leaders who have virtually made a mess of our national scene. Thanks Ms. Roy and good luck!

SULTAN AKHTAR PATEL
RIYADH, SAUDI ARABIA
SULTAN AKHTAR PATEL
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
65
Apparently, according to some muslims here, no prrof is prrof enough.

Even when Osama boasts about WTC attack, it remains a jewish conspiracy for them.

Even when the police make scores of Muslim arrests for Godhra, we have to believe that no muslim was involved.

If somebody sleeps awake and makes life a pile of lies, we can't help. We are happy with what we see and we believe what we see, the civilised world is happy with what it believes. Who cares about what a bunch of commies and muslims believe?

We have won one war with commies, we will win this war with muslims. So stuff them.
BT
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Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
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"More than hindus contribute to curtail musilm terrorist muslim contributed 100 times more than that to curtail musilm terrorism. Now how many hindus are there to curtail hindu terrorism. "

Really??There were thousands of Hindus who said they are ashamed to be Hindus after the Gujarat riots,as if it was a fashionable to do so.But not a single muslim 'intellectual' has the guts to condemn OBL or the Kashmir violence.Instead they come up with stupid arguments like the Jews attacked the WTC(after all the suspects tuned out to be mullahs),Godhra was caused by the Hindus to provoke riots etc.The muslims are the most intolerant and violent race in this world and the so called moderates do not have the guts to face up to the mullahs.

Jai Hind
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Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
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Finally you have proved yourselves to be insecured. You are only good at writing inciting paragraphs with little or no emphasis on facts; and blaming others. You dont have a vision for the people or governments but yourself. Pathetic! and thats why you get rewards from the 'PINKOS'.
"Always trying to blame others without ever trying to provide a feasible solution" is a hallmark of a loser.
Vaibhav Rothe
Nagpur, India
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
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I dont know whether to hate Arundhati Roy or like her. Sometimes her incessant prattling seems like rabble rousing and sometimes it seems thats shes imbibed a little sense on the way.
This article sure spans a whole range of topics, meandering from anti-hindutva rant to dabbling in some crude economics to evolve a conspiracy theory the Wild West is enacting against IRAQ!
But I LIKE THIS ARTICLE for some little nuggets of the realization it contains.

The WILD WEST is conquering the world. USA believes it is "the God of ALL THINGS" (to take off on Arudhati's best work of fiction)!. I guess Americans are brought into the world with the tutoring that the world is theirs and the others are their colonies. But this is a new kind of conquest and a new kind of colonization. From the unabashed political interference in the Pan-American regions and the controlling of the trade and traffic (including drug traffic), to downright plunging its men into Vietnam and the use of wily guerrilla tactics in Afghanistan, USA has learnt the ways and changed its image to be more subtle and more 'respectable'. President after President has worked to build up the glorified platform for the country and indeed they do dominate the world in almost every sphere of activity.
Its good to hear that the Government values every single American life and wont let down any. I wish it were like that in INDIA. If American lives were affected like the number of our jawans and civilians getting killed in J&K, I wouldnt give the Militant camps 30minutes to exist! Anyway, the point is that the POWER and the CONTROL, USA has gained and exercises (in its OWN SELFISH INTERESTS mostly), is supreme.

In this world, we are in danger of being left behind. Its not logical that the land of a Billion and the biggest democracy about, doesnt have a say in the UN and we have to fight for it. Its one big leap we have to make all the spheres of economy, social justice, infrastructure, technology, sports ....
To stand up strong, INDIA needs to find its strenght from within. Every Indian has to begin the day thinking he is SUPERMAN (or Superwoman!) and take pride in his/her work. Throw off the timidity and meek streak in us. Take a dare and stand up without flinching. No Man/Woman can be in seat of authority without being responsible to give service and add value to the society they administer. And any man/ woman must have the power and gumption to stand up against a misdemenour.
Like our Tagore said, "Into that Heaven of Freedom, O! Father, Let my country awake". Unfortunately, this wont be overnite.... there will have to be many awakenings and the dawn is long.

So many points to add - but I'd rather not or else this might be a longer essay than Arundhati's. But I am hoping to find that theres a movement emerging in this country, which will take the reins of power from the autocratic hands of the Mighty WEST and take on the message of HUMANITY to the Masses, unto the downtrodden and the hopefuls.

Good work Arundhati. Far cry from yr Narmada hungama, this one augurs well. You are probably one of the new-found Oracles of the 21st century and definitely you have a say in todays milieu. Dont get carried away and let emotions uproot yr sense of reality and cloud yr focus. THINK MORE and realize. You have the unique privelege of being among the few good ones who can bring about the movement !
Boo
Chennai, INDIA
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
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Hi JIBANANDA by giving PRAVIN TOGADIA interview whom your defending. Are you defending Muslims or Hindus. What kind of crap he has talked in the interview.

INFIDEL
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Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
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The same fact what I told previous is proven in your link,.togadia interview and suspect arrest in connection , I don’t know how you guys say that I am pretending to sleep. It is actually you guys are doing it. Let me confirm my point. I am not saying there were no Muslim in the atrocity. Even in your link it says a muslim girl was dragged who was daughter of he tea stall owner which they think ignited the burning. But as the kar sheves were there inside it taken as communal hatred. And taking osama and linking muslim is atrocity. More than hindus contribute to curtail musilm terrorist muslim contributed 100 times more than that to curtail musilm terrorism. Now how many hindus are there to curtail hindu terrorism. You guys won’t admit it or condem the act of genocide happened in Gujarat. I condemn the sabrmati express burning bu unidentified mob and at the same time I condemn the brutal killing by fundamentalist. I stop my porting with this I won’t come and do this horrible job( trying to explaining about truth to ihindu fudamnetalist) again. You guys go ahead and continue your hatred posting and continue your killing,
Long life to India
NO NEED
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Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
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Ms. No Need,don't mix myself with Infidel-Kafir.I think BT has fully answered you.But one,who pretends to be sleeping can't be awakened.Even after Osama claimed that he was behind 11th Sep attack,you Muslims don't believe it.However for the latest news,check out these sites:
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=11075,10966,15514,12435,3225,1822,4832
The address is same ,the nos are different.
Jibananda
Pabitra Jaban Mukta Nagari, Bharat
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
58
Roy runs the danger being pushed into oblivion from indians' minds. I am seriously tired of her incessant armchair rabble-rousing.
Vergheese
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Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
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Mr BT thanks for justifying my post. Yes rediff is dependable source and that is why your links clears shows that no one has been accused , and there were only few arrest on connection of this incident. In your links it clearly says that an unidentifiable mob involved in the burning. Your links justify my fact that no one has proved that who instigated that genocide. You can further search all through web or any media or police report. I am not saying there were no Muslims in that atrocity. So finding a Muslim name is not going to prove anything. Because in India if you are just Muslim it is enough to get arrested. Same way any one can get arrested , you know better about it. Even Aruthathi Roy got arrested and put in jail for two days. People go mainly with assumptions. If the people who died were kar sheves then the attack should be staged by muslims. You can go and check my bellow links. All the links will tell which organization involved and who is responsible for that and what the government should do information will be clearly written. You can’t find such item to accuse or to blame muslims. People easily can generalize. Like in America if any criminal activity goes then they generalize it is black. You are also same kind of person. So you will post one more crap with no clear proof. If you can then I accept that yes Muslims were involved in the genocides, unlike you guys who won’t even condemn the prejudice, brutal, barbaric killing of muslims.

Last I am winning in this case still now because my links Cleary says who were involved in Muslim burning and killing and my links condemn people by name and by group. No one has come out in the forum like that.
NO NEED
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Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
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All right guys. As everybody has seen in every single Outlook forum, there is one person who tries to subotage all the discussions by claiming everybody is Infidel and so on.

This fellow posts under differemt names and claims that everybody else does that.

Whenever there is any anti-Muslim/anti-commie discussion all this guy tries to is not to take part in the discussion, but to actually derail it.

Remember one thing: they will win if we cannot discuss, if we cannot say what we want.

DON'T FALL IN THEIR TRAP. They want us to go after them, completely forgetting what the discussion is about.

So, if you are a patriot Hindu,

1. completely ignore this person, no matter what garbage he throws at you r what names he calls you.

2. Keep the debate going. This person craves for attention. Just ignore him and let him laugh at his own sense of humour.
BT
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Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
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Every body agrees that Congress governments of past 50 years did nothing to prevent the ethnic cleansing of hindus in pakistan, and bangla desh and they did nothing to prevent the ethnic cleansing of hindus even in Indian part of kashmir.It is not the empire's or america's problem, is'nt it??
Of course Arundhati Roy will write thousands od firy articles and give hundreds of lectures all over the world if a christian missionary is killed in a traffic accident in india, saying that hindus are intolerant and ethnically cleansing christians and minorities in a really savage manner!!! This is the standard of our p-sec intellectuals!!!
Now let me ask this question, what has BJP, supposed to be a
hindu party done to the hindus in India?? See what BJP has
done!!
They have increased the haj subsidy for muslim pilgrims to visit saudi arabia to about 2000 crores rupees every year when
millions of hindus are living in dire poverty and struggling to have one meal a day in India and when many thousands of hindus and sikhs are being brutally butchered and eliminated by terrorists in Kashmir!!
What is Vhp, Bajrang dal and Shiva Sena,Togadia doing to
stop these abnomal behaviours of the hindu bjp party? Just sleeping as usual!!
Why the present government cannot give a subsidy of 5000 rupees each to every Hindu family every year to a pilgrimage to a temple of their choice
any where in India??? For example, a north indian family can visit a south indian temple,etc,etc.
The government can give allowances for hotels or railway or air tickets,etc to hindu pilgrims and this will rejivenate our economy to a great extent. Is Mr Modi and Togadia and Singhal and Thackerey listening, please???
This will help national integration and greater unity of people also which many p-secs and enemies of india like Aroondhati will not naturally like!!
Has the Bjp leaders and its government the courage and planning to do this favour to hindus, irrespective of castes?? Instead of rhe above, will they not increase the haj subsidy next year to 3000 crores rupees, from present 2000 crores ???
We have to wait and see what they do next!!! BJP is capable of doing great surprises.
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Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
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Infidel says he is good looking? The story is that when he was born his mother got so horrified looking at his face, she dropped him on the floor and that is how his brain got so damaged.
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Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
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hey guys

You are giving psycho infidel unnecessary importance. the forum is about the articles, not about the psycho. Let the moron rant as much as he wants. you think anybody takes him seriously? The more he rants the more everybody knows what he is.
,
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
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Why should anyone care about Infidel's apartment or where he lives?

I have more important things to ask him, like, when he becomes the Minister for Extermination of Minorities, what method of genocide is he going to use?

Is he also going to be the director of the Human Extermination Research Lab while he holds the minister's portfolio?

I don't really care what name you use on this forum, but just out of curiosity, when you are the minister, which name would you be using? Narotham Desai, Jibanandha, Infidel Kafir or Ravi Pillai?

Infidel, please answer. All your fanatic supporters are eagerly waiting.
Special Reporter covering Dr Infidel Mengele Kafir
Mengele town,
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
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Miss Arundhati Roy represents the other extreme of likes of Modi and Thogadia. No wonder secularism is becoming an issue of intolerance among Indian masses if people like Miss Roy talk in favor of it with such ignorant articles. I do agree with her that BJP has done little to control communalism in India and it is a matter of worry but how she equates that with the economic reforms is ridiculous. Indian economy is under heavy debts from international monetary organizations due to the previous policy of license and control system for production and distribution. I have myself worked in a public sector for 4 years and can cite 100 examples, which show how a job security can make an individual irresponsible and unaccountable towards his duty. And the state of public transport and public services system is no secret.

Talking about the farmers, the population of villagers which was about 25 crore in 1930 has increased to 80 crore today. This only show that life expectancy has improved there. Though its true India still has villages, which are poorest in the world, and there is incidence of suicide due to poverty. But these villages have been poor ever since and not just after economic reforms. Also the poor food distribution system in famine, drought and flood hit areas is again due to corruption in government run agencies handle the food distribution rather than multinational companies.

She may be right to an extent about criticizing Saddam and Bush, but I am in US currently and the mood of people here is that they waited too long for Hitler and should they give same time to Saddam too.

The article over all was much below standard in all respect. To present such talk at international forum also brings a bad name to our country and people.
Amar
, United States
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
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Knew nfidl in school, you may be right about infidel's ugliness and his living in the west but I believe him when he says he has a two bedroom apartment in Mumbai. Don't you see he is actually advertising his services to what he calls "p-sec girls"? The proceeds from the services must cover his expenses when he vacations in India. Is prostitution legal outside the redlight district in Mumbai? If not, how does infidel gets away with it? What about the income tax people, do they know he makes a lot of money from his side business when he comes to India?
abc
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Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
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Here you go. Hope you're happy now:

1. Rediff, July (http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/jul/
15train.htm)

2. Rediff, July (http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/jul/
23train1.htm)

3. Rediff, August (http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/aug/
26train.htm)

4. Rediff, Oct. (http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/oct/
25guj.htm)

5. Rediff, Oct. (http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/oct/
17guj.htm)

6. Rediff, Oct. (http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/oct/
08guj.htm)

I hope Rediff is a good enough source for you, I can't be bothered if it's not.

If people don't reply to your challenge, don't assume you've won. It sometimes can mean they are ignoring a time-waster, whose only reason for existence is to call everybody the same person !!!
BT
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Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
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In my previous posting I challenged that any one can prove that Muslims were involved in the sabarmatti express burning by sending a link to substantiate the case from valid web site. Not even one link posted by any one and there was one link posted by the most horrible ruthless crap about a Christian pastor, about a old case involved in some sexual misbehave. This bloody crap when he is not able to prove Muslims were involved in sabarmatti express burning this guys make one post about Christian pastor totally in a irrelevant manner. I don’t even see what kind of relevancy hi is getting into. So from his post the most fundamentalist hindu nazis infidel kafir we can conclude that there is no proof that muslims were involved in the train burning. But RSS/VHP used the incident and created pseudo panic among hindus and staged their most wanted genocides of killing children and woman and rapping them in public. How pathetic a entire race is targeted for unproven instigation. Pathetic. Coming back to the infidel kafir vomiting. What you wanna prove. It is not hindus alone who are moron there are Christian too. Because your posting on total irrelevancy clearly shows that you are eager of finding news were Christians or Muslims involved in horrible behavior as equal to Hindu fundamentalist. If the pastor does it , he is not a Christian the entire Christian community will throw him. But take the case of hindu persist , if I start listing it, it will stinck like anything. Starting from the most holy person of hindus sankarachariyar ( has case on him that he digged a dalit woman- the case is running even now), putta patuthi saibaba( CBI is investigating the mysteries of saibaba) too kalki bhagavan how many cases are going. You can challenge in any news at least there will be a sex abuse case on these hindu preist will be there. So you pushed me to write about hindu priest by pulling some irrelevant story. No chance to you , you looser
NO NEED
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Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
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Infidel Kafir, did I read you saying you are reasonably good looking and have a two bed room apartment in Mumbai? What a liar. You still like you always did. For one thing, you live in the West enjoying minority rights while preaching hatred against minorities in India. Secondly, you are not good looking by any description. Weren't you the ugliest kid in school?
knew infidel in school
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Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
46
Hoy there, BT,

Nobody said everybody who writes here is Infidel Kafir. No, no, no, no. Not everybody. JIBANANDA is Infidel Kafir. BLUEBIRD is. NAROTHAM DESAI is. DRAUPATI MEHTA, ANONYMOUS HINDU, VASISHT, SURESH etc. are. And a few others more. Not even every fanatic who write here. But there is a good chance a guy calling himself BT may be.

Someone suggested Vinoo And Braveheart may be Infidel Kafir. They are not.

However, it is a good idea to suspect every psychopathic fanatic who writes here to be the psycho Infidel Kafir. There is a 90% chance you would be right. After all, who cares if you are wrong the 10% of the time!
et
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Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
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Arundhati needs a nice sleep to refresh her mind. Its been a long time she has said anything meaningful at all, and if she continues like this, well very soon she will be put into IGNORE_USER list by everybody. She needs to understand what she is speaking and why and where... Can she or anyone ever explain the rationale of continuing with public sector enterprises when they are such a pain in the ass always giving record losses. And for records, just look at the condition of power in the country (thanks to our nice SEBs) and look at the telecom sector now (Just 10 years earlier, how convinient and cheap it was to call ur relatives) Because of our stupid ideologies how much we are losing and what kind of life we live in India...
Dev
Paris, France
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
44
Infertile kafir, i fully agree with you ...

the bjp govt will increase the haj subsidy.. but its not 3000 crores as you put it, its 5000 crores.

the real Q is, r u and ur family harem giving subsidised service these days. the queue outside ur 2 bed apt in mumbai is sooo long and surprisingly full of us fidels .....
,
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
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Every body agrees that Congress governments of past 50 years did nothing to prevent the ethnic cleansing of hindus in pakistan, and bangla desh and they did nothing to prevent the ethnic cleansing of hindus even in Indian part of kashmir.It is not the empire's or america's problem, is'nt it??
Now let me ask this question, what has bjp, supposed to be a hindu party done to the hindus in India?? See what BJP has done!
They have increased the haj subsidy for muslim pilgrims to visit saudi arabia to about 2000 crores rupees every year when millions of hindus are living in dire poverty in India and when many thousands are being brutally eliminated by terrorists in Kashmir!!
What is Vhp, Bajrang dal and Shiva Sena,Togadia doing to stop these abnomal behaviours of the hindu bjp party? Just sleeping as usual!!
Why not the government give a subsidy of 5000 rupees each to
every Hindu family evry year to a pilgrimage to a temple of their choice
any where in India??? For example, a north indian family can
visit a south indian temple,etc,etc.
This will help national integration and greater unity of people also which many p-secs and enemies of india like Aroondhati will not naturally like!!
Has the Bjp leaders and its government the courage and
planning to do this favour to hindus?? or will they not increase the haj subsidy nextyear to 3000 crores rupees, from present 2000 crores ???
We have to wait and see what they do !!!
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Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
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Infertile Kafir,

Stop cringing .. time for u to get a spanking and a mouthfull.. come to daddy.

A Roy
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Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
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I Cannot understand why this writer is opposed to globalisation.Globalisation bring new technology and job to the people.Why Indians want to go to America.Because Capitalism work Communism is dead and buried.Capitalism make efficent use of resources.(if there is no corrruption).What happened to India during the License Raj period.This writer is arguing rob the rich by taxing and give it to the poor.It does not work(you need a proper house keepingincome should equal to spending).It makes the people lazy, inefficent and waste of scarce resources.India should be outward looking and change and evovle with the world.Otherwise doomed.Darwin's theory.
vasan
London, United Kingdom
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
40
A Roy...
phew i thought i was addressing a lady..
btw ur reply is proof that u need to b disciplined.....
infidel-kafir
kafirtown, kafirstan
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
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Infidel / Infertile - Kafir,

If you have balls tell us ur name. Else how can u can rise on such such a demanding occasion. Dont be hard on urself, curb ur ambitions.

If as u say, you have a 2 bedroom apt in mumbai, I am sure your mother's always busy servicing customers in one and your older balding sister is busy in the other. Your writings and sense of balance indicate a lost childhood when your father took rides up your tube. Ur therapist did the same and now u trust no one. That also explains why u r speaking out of the wrong end as ur mouth is in constant use by family members like VINOO, BRAVEHEART, Narotham Desai, BLUEBIRD. See u r a happy family.

Now even if u do manage to get ur thingy fixed, whos interested in raising a family of pigs.

A Roy
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Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
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What others create by physical violence - a trial to achieve self-declared, self-fulfilling supremacy, Arundhati achieves by her immaturity in distinguishing fact from fiction, expression of her emotion being more violent than the violence she condemns.
Ravi Aglave
heidelberg, Germany
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
37
Pls read World of Fatwas by Shri Arun Shourie. Then u will understand which empire to confront.

Robin Roth
New Delhi, India
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
36
I think Ms Arundhati is hell bent on potraying India as very bad.I think she needs to go to a Mental hospital .
,
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
35
I respect people like Ms Roy. I love her writing. It's poetic, and hence by it's very nature it eotes rather than promote people's interests. I would like to ask Ms Roy if some of her friends work for Corporate World. If some of them do, then it must be true that given Ms Roy hectoring they are not after her. People who works and foster corporate agenda at very microscopic level believe in the way Ms Roy continues to believe in 'me' and the world or us and them. This kind of categorization does not foster kind of empathy and communication we need to build around the world for more humane life on this planter
Magan Dev Shukla
Pipra, India
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
34
It is understandable that the "Honourbale" Ms. Roy
is so anxious about the state of affairs.
That's the only way she could have paid trips to USA, Europe.
The only way she can make it into NYTimes, it slander India's image.
Maybe it is time she gave up her Indian citizenship for we certainly can do without people like her whose sole pupose of existence is to sabotage and destroy India.
BRAVEHEART
Chicago, IL
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
33
VINOO
i think arundhati has lost her mental balance.. what she needs is a family and kids. btw i am ready to volunteer... would be fun... :-)
arundhati.. hope u r listening... i am younger than u but thats no problem for me.. hope its neither for u.. i have a decent job, reasonably good looking and have a 2 bedroom apt in mumbai...if interested. pls message me..
if u r not interested atleast forward it to anita pratap..or any of the other restless psec females..

waiting for a favourable response...
infidel-kafir
kafirtown, kafirstan
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
32
roy, purefool bhadwai and team are assets for the bjp. for fence sitters ( majority ) bhadwai provides entertainment and a reason to vote for the bjp.
sometimes i wonder whether these ppl r being bankrolled by the bjp..
the more the bhadwais the better are bjps chances. gujurat has proved it...

oneofbhadwaisfourfathers
shanghai, china
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
31
PASTOR SAM making roys kerala proud..
http://www.hinduonnet.com/
thehindu/2002/09/27/stories/
2002092701300500.htm

AIDWA alleges sexual anarchy in State

By Our Staff Reporter



PATHANAMTHITTA Sept. 26. The All-India Democratic Women's Association (AIDWA) State secretary, P.K.Sreemathi, MLA, has alleged that the State has become a grazing ground for sex racketeers and anti-socials, leaving it in a shameful state of sexual anarchy.

Addressing a press conference here today, Ms Sreemathy alleged that it was a shame on the highly literate Kerala that sexual harassment of minor girls and women have become the order of the day here with the State law-enforcing agency remaining "simply inactive'' in checking the crime.

The MLA was here to visit a 20-year old woman of Pandalam who has reportedly been sexually harrassed by a pastor and his two sons, besides a while employed as a home nurse at an old age home at Mallaserry near here as well at a Bible college in Thiruvananthapuram over the past few months.

Though the police has registered a case against the pastor, P.K.Sam, and his sons, Samson K.Sam and Stephen K.Sam, the accused have not been arrested so far owing to political pressure from certain ruling party higher-ups, the MLA alleged.

Ms Sreemathy demanded immediate arrest of all the three accused in connection with the sexual harassment of the woman.

She said that the JMA would submit a memorandum to the Chief Minister, A.K.Antony, demanding stern action against the accused in various sexual harassment cases in the State.

She has alleged that the girl from Pandalam who was employed as home-nurse at an old age home run by the pastor was reportedly subjected to brutal sexual assaults by the three accused and the police appeared to have left enough room for the culprits to escape owing to the "political patronage'' they enjoy from certain ruling party top-brass.

According to the MLA, this is not an isolated incident in the so-called `God's own country' and sexual harassment of women has more or less become the order of the day, which needs urgent attention of the Government and the authorities concerned.

``It is sad to hear the allegations that even the police have tried to tamper the certificates of the victim of the Thoppumpady sex scandal with a view to protect certain ruling party leaders who too were said to have been involved in the sexual harassment of the girl,'' Ms Sreemathy said.

``Moreover, criminal gangs and sex rackets thrive in the nook and corner of the State, leaving even our villages exposed to sexual anarchy,'' she alleged.

The MLA alleged that it was a shame to say that the gender sex in the so-called highly literate State of Kerala were insecure due to the prevailing sexual anarchy here.

The issue assumes much more gravity when the Chief Minister himself has recently stated that sex crimes were on the rise in the State over the past one year, she added.
infidel-kafir
kafirtown, kafirstan
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
30
My advice to Ms. Roy: Calm down, take a deep breath.

Now, here are the facts.

It was not the BJP Government that signed the contract with Enron. It was Congress CM Sudhakar Rao Naik when P.V. Narasimha Rao was the PM in 1993. It was true that the contract renegotiated by the Shiv Sena government in 1995 is no better than the original contract. But that is different story. Another fact is that Ministry of Disinvestment was created in December 1999. There was no such ministry or minister when Enron deal was signed.

BJP Government under Mr. Vajpayee just conducted two peaceful elections, one in Kashmir and one in Gujarat, both under difficult circumstances. How is that an attack on democracy? If a person YOU don't like got elected, that does not mean democracy is being dismantled.

As far as I can remember, there were only a couple of incidents of church burning. In fact, one of them was caused by intra-church rivalry that was made to look like it was done by Hindu fundamentalists. There was only one mosque that was ever demolished in India. The Babri Mosque in 1990. The Supreme Court disagrees with you on re-writing history books. By exaggerating these events, you are making it look like these things happen everyday. By your words, you are causing unnecessary tension between different communities. Don't worry, there is no communal time bomb ticking in India. If you believe it does, it shows how much faith you have in India and how much you understand Hinduism. It is because of Hinduism that India is a successful democracy. Think about it.

You are confused about the issue you were asked to speak about. As usual, you don’t have your facts right. Some say it is deliberate. On the issue communalism, I think you are. Be balanced in your bashing or do something much better: do something that improves inter-communal understanding.
Paul S. Mogadati
Princeton, USA
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
29
Whenever I listen to/read people like Noam Chomsky or Millionnaire Roy, I feel how hard defeat has been on them. These guys are bad losers. Now that socialism has been wrapped in a smelly garbage bag and thrown into civilisation's dustbin and forgotten about, these losers are still crying hoarse and blaming everybody else and his grandmother. What a pity! It sure hurts when they think that all their lives they have been peddling commie lies. Instead of facing that reality, they blame everybody else.

Whenever I listen to any interview of Chomsky (I usually don't, I must hastily add), I realise how paranoid, twisted, schizophrenic some peoples' minds can be! They see capitalist conspiracy in everything, I mean every single goddamn thing. But then they are commies, so what do you expect? Reading Millionnaire Roy is also the same experience. Who else could have cooked up the brilliant theory that RSS fans up Hindu passion so that BJP can privatise everything?

Wow! Amazing creativity!! Out of the world brainwave!!! Bet the RSS guys never even knew their real intention was privatisation!!!!

People like Chomsky and Millionnaire Roy belong to a very special place: a good mental asylum.
BT
,
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
28
Just two notes for two persons.
1. Some body said that some mullah accepted that he planned the sabarbthi train burning. I never seen any such kind of news. If some one who can prove that muslims were involved in the train burning send a link. No email psoting or hate psting links. Any dependable valid online news links to prove that the muslims involved in the train burning has to show communal hatered.
2. For Gujarat violence see the all bellow links
The bellow website take you where how many people shown there reaction for th genocides
The nation
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?
i=20020930&s=baldwin20020916

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?
i=20020930&s=baldwin20020916

honest Indian responses

http://www.ektaonline.org/cac/resources/

publications/gujarat/gujpetsig032302.pdf

http://www.indiatogether.org/petitions/

gujarat/nhrcfax-riots.pdf

HRC reports

http://www.hrdc.net/sahrdc/hrfeatures/

HRF53.htm
http://server792.dnslive.net/

~ihrc/show.phpid=509

http://nhrc.nic.in/guj_finalorder.htm

http://members.tripod.com/~INDIA_RESOURCE/

secularism.html

Nytimes
http://query.nytimes.com/gst

/abstract.htmlres=
FA0A14FD3B540C748DDDA80994DA404482
Time Magazine

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/
0,8599,213670,00.html
Washington post
http://nl12.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/
Take the entire world find any place even take Kashmir, even there the entire world is condemingn the genocides of muslim more than hindu pandits because world know who is really suffering. They don’t take bias view because for tthem both are equal. All the above links are from leading international magazines and HRC report. I have not given any link to Indian site because you might have seen lot that is why you guys are agitated.
NO NEED
,
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
27
I personally think Arundhati's views are archaic and irrelevant. Free markets are the cornerstone of free people. Free people comprise a democracy. Do not blame the US for people everywhere wanting to improve their standard of living. It is a natural instinct & need. Historically, we were one of the first free trading nations. When we traded we were one of the richest lands & people on earth. It is the occupations by Moghuls & English that destroyed the entreprenuerial instincts of our people. Today again, thanks to liberalization and associated freedom of creativity/innovation, we are the one of the finest entrepreneurs/businessmen in the world. Finding problems with a system is easy, finding solutions is difficult. I do not hear from Ms Roy any solutions .. except bogus statements like lets revolt, lets group together etc.. that are realistic and will lead to the betterment of people. The war between Capitalism and Socialism is over. Capitalism has won, because it is the system that works and is in sync with people's desire to be free!!
abhay jajoo
phoenix, usa
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
26
Roy has stooped to the level of VHP's togadia.
No difference between them.

Blinded by leftist ideals. Dangerous to India and deserves to be called anti national.
Liberals are loosing in US and will meet the same fate in India.

Go India Go , privatize and prosper.

Had enuf of these leftist demagogues who sucked indian resources for nearly 50 years.

Murali
, USA
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
25
Hah-ha! After Sonia Maino Gandhi, A Roy is the best gift BJP is ever going to get! What a perfect opponent! Makes everything BJP/RSS do look good by shooting her mouth off.

Too bad for P-Secs, islamists and missionaries. A Roy, YOU are the weakest link in your team!
Subba
Red Wood City, US
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
24
Oh boy, here we go again. Now we have a chap who calls everybody Prakash alias Srikant.

I suspect in all other forum ths chap calls everybody Infidel.
BT
,
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
23
That Roy is not keeping track of current events and has scant respect for truth is evident from the following.

"It is not a coincidence that the Prime Minister, the Home Minister, the Disinvestment Minister — the men who signed the deal with Enron in India, the men who are selling the country’s infrastructure to corporate multinationals, the men who want to privatize water, electricity, oil, coal, steel, health, education and telecommunication — are all members or admirers of the RSS. "

For the record, RSS is against privatisation.Read the literatures of RSS,SJM and others.They are totally against private participation and MNC's.But Roy states the opposite.Massive protests to privitisation came not from the communists but from SJM,ABVP and so forth(especially for the privatisation of petroleum sectors)

Check the facts MsRoy before you say something.Just because you won a Booker prize does not give you an authority to speak on all topics under the sun.
Vinoo Ramakrishnan
NJ, USA
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
22
Prakash alias Srikant,you are like a story writer who first thinks about the end & then writes the rest of the story accordingly.In cinema also this happens.You have made up your mind that the spontaneous riots were state sponsored & so you don't require any further data,haha,that too,from London.Are you like Sanjay in Mahabharata who could go to any place at any time during the war period?I don't know whether it will cut any iceor not but till let me remind you that in the Gujarat riot the number of dead did not cross 1000,among them 300 were Hindus.Police fired 4000 rounds of fire to control the riot.Hundreds of people were detained.the situation was managed within 72 hours.My brother lives in vadordra,he told me media reports were exaggarated to its maximum.

Regarding BJP you have again quoted them according to your convenience as they never said they would repeat riots.All they said was about the strategy,team work,media management etc.But people like you jump to your conclusion according to your wishes.That is the practice of the commies.They believe in make believe lies.Godhra & Kashmir arise,nothing wrong in it.You can't be one sided.You have to tell the full story.But commies don't like truths,there business is to deal with lies.
Jibananda
,
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
21
at one time Arundhati Roy expressess reservation about american ways and still has moral to accept prizes offered by the american, do these authors have creditability... i think every one can think what kind of writers professional interests...
,
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
20
Yawn, yawn, yawn. She's good at telling us what's wrong. What are her practical solutions for all the problems facing India? Since she's against corporate globalization, I take it she will be returning the money she's illicitly earned from that very same corporate globalization system via her book? Last time I checked, her book was still selling on Amazon.com, a very corporate and global site.
Sleepy
,
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
19
Each time Arundhati's speeches are published by the Outlook, I wonder why it is being published. In a democratic society freedom of speech is a fundamental right. So she should also be heard. But unlike the readers who are indignant of her views on specific subjects like the Gujarat killings, I have more basic questions to ask. Does she have clarity of thoughts? What is it that she is against? And why is she always confused with disparate issues?
Here are the Pearls of wisdom from the speech:
"The free market does not threaten national sovereignty, it undermines democracy.
But since he’s (i.e. Indian PM) not — and since the Indian "market" is open to global investors — the massacre is not even an embarrassing inconvenience.
Corporate Globalization — or shall we call it by its name? — Imperialism — needs a press that pretends to be free.
As for corporate globalization’s glittering ambassadors — Enron, Bechtel, WorldCom, Arthur Anderson
Nobody doubts that Saddam Hussein is a ruthless dictator, a murderer (whose worst excesses were supported by the governments of the United States and Great Britain). There’s no doubt that Iraqis would be better off without him.
But, then, the whole world would be better off without a certain Mr. Bush. In fact, he is far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein.
So, should we bomb Bush out of the White House?
We can re-invent civil disobedience in a million different ways. In other words, we can come up with a million ways of becoming a collective pain in the ass."

Can anybody explain to me how democracy, globalization, Gujarat killings, Saddam, Iraq War, George Bush, Tony Blair and civil disobedience are connected? What are the connections between Enron, Bechtel, WorldCom and Arthur Anderson ?( 3 of them were named for fraud and CEO excesses, how is it linked to globalization?)
This lady is completely incoherent,incapable of logical reasoning, someone with rebellious mind like a teen-ager against the establishment without even knowing what she can achieve. Her knowledge about these issues is superficial, the views therefore are overly simplistic ( without agreeing or disagreeing with her)and the attempts to link these issues are far-fetched.
Is it the Pain in the ass that she's talking about?
Dips
New York, USA
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
18
Arundhati Roy has just talked on one angle of the story. By talking about muslims, what she wants to convey? We donnot want another V.P singh, who is to talked about dalits and muslims and see what we got now.
I do not agree with her opinion that India is on the verge of dismantly her democracy if this would have been the case, she would have been banned from writing such things in India's premier journal, like taslima nasreen.
Prem Borse
Mineapolis, Minesotta, USA
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
17
Namrata says Ms.Roy is biased because she rarely said anything
about displacement of Kashmiri Hindus.
There is difference between what happened in Gujarat and
what is happening in Kashmir. Gujarat killings took place under
active cooperation of the state government, something
unprecedented in India. Closest this happened before was
1984 butchering of Sikhs which Congress regrets and paid
dearly for it. None of that in Gujarat case. Not only
is Modi lionised, BJP even threatens to repeat similar
performance where ever possible. Hindus overwhelmingly
voted for him blowing any pretense of their much trumpeted
tolerance - of which they never cease to remind others.
The plight of Hindus in Kashmir should be a
scar on India's conscience, but this is not state
sponsored by any account. Their principle villains are
terrorists much hated in rest of India. Its equivalents
VHP and RSS are not only loved by large number of Hindus but
also have active state support both at state and national
level.

In any case whenever somebody condemns killings of muslims
in Guajarat, there comes a predictable pathetic
question "what about Godhra?", "what about Kashmir" etc.
If Hindus believe that they could score a big point in the
communal debate with such questions and so easily dismiss
any counter argument, it only demonstrates the depth of
depravity to which Hindu society has sunk to. Gujarat
pogrom was an evil in its own right whatever happened in
Godhra or Kashmir. Hindus had better realise that!
Instead, if they smugly imagine that they can be excused
from such feelings because some third party has not condemned
muslims they are only deceiving themselves instead of
recognising violent oppressive power Hindu society is
capable of exercising when opportunity presents itself.
Srikanth B
London, UK
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
16
Manhu alias No Need, you are not very difficult to recognise.Why are you hiding your identity?However, you have developed a new term in the dictionary,hehehe,'Hindu terrorist'. Don't you believe that Muslims perpatreted the henious crime in the Sabarmati train genocide?No wonder ,till today 90% of Muslims refuse to believe that Osama & Muslims were behind the 9/11 attack.You are living in fool's paradise.All the culprits of Godhra carnage have been detained & most of them have confessed it.Some Mollah Kurkur admitted that he was the brain behind the train carnage.Again in Hariana it was proved that police was behind the crime & there was nothing to do with their Dalit identity.But so what!Idiot bigots like you do not read news paper or watch tv news.Only thing you do is to regular visit your Mosque & declare jehad against us.Reagarding Mumbai blasts ,SIMI & LeT are being suspected by police.Lastly you mean to say that two crore Bangladeshis are Indian Muslims?Are you too a Bangladeshi girl?However your trash does not deserve any reply.Next time come prepared.
Jibananda
Pabitra Jaban Mukta Nagari, Bharat
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
15
I think that Arundhati's opinions are very biased.She writes " a hundred and Fifty thousand muslims were displaced and their econimic base was eroded".
Well i have this question for Ms Roy - Howcome i have never seen her reference the 5 million kashmiri pandits who were displaced from Kashmir , who are still living in refugee capms accross the country, who were robbed of everything.

She is nothing but a fake person who just writes about stuff to keep her in news.If she is so much into supporting and publicising the right causes for the minorities , why doesn't she devote her " Valuable time" to causes like illeteracy, child marriages and polygamy in the muslim community. I am sure people need that and they will appreciate it instead of her just trying to get cheap publicity out of their misery.
namrata
McAllen, USA
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
14
Indian activity on gujarath is same as barbaric activity of nazis with Jews. There they used nazism and India they used hindutuva , both are very much same and the difference is there jews were targeted , in hindutuva muslims were targeted. Suren for your question “ jews didn’t kill anybody in germany but muslims killed 58 people prior to gujarath riot”. For your information till date no one has proved inclusing the the riots satge manager modi that muslims were involved in the burning. Till date they are investigating the case and there were no report that communal hatred was responsible for that. Just because Kara Saves were traveling in the train it ie presumed that muslims were involved in the burning. Take any news report or policae record that reported muslims did that. When something is not proved how can you say muslims were invoved in the sabar bathi train burning. Even Human commission report says the riots started because of train burning at it clearly states that “ it is not sure who triggered the train burning”. When it is very clear that who has invoved in the train burning how can you ask muslims to take responsibility of that. Every day some mas vilotion is going in India, in hariyanna thousands of people went and killed 5 hindu Dalits becaued they skinned cows. Just because the killed person is hindu can you blame muslims for that. Even yesterday in Bombay two bomblast were there and in Calcutta a major bus accident , can you say muslims are responsible for that just because the killed persons were hindus. The same way RSS projected asif muslims were involved and use that incident to mass kill and rape muslims. This is clear case of Indian nazism. Indian muslims are not able migrate because they don’t have option. Pakistan is not ready to take and Bangladesh is not ready to take. Where can they go. They are compelled to live in India like other Indians. Living in India is not there wish.

NO NEED
,
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
13
I am not the person who accepts 100% what aruthathi Roy says. But she is not a irresponsible crap like majority Indian. Just because she is Indian she need not encourage the genocides, barbaric brutal activities of Indian. Indian always likes to be barbaric and at the same time expect sympathy and respect. Both won’t go to gather. I truly accept with roy the fact today sadham is bad person for US but it is not bothered about the thousands of thousands of muslims and Sikhs murdered by fundamentalist in India . US is against muslim terrorist and not even bothered about the hindu terrorism which is staged through local government support. She call the international people not to just target on their own enemies rather target on worlds enemy. If US might have given condemning words against modi , will BJP might have dared to place modi as a candidate. I am with her, if India is not ready to remove there own terrorist what is wrong in going and asking for international support. Don’t say something like these people spoil India name abroad. You are the guys who are spoiling India name. IF you do shit we project only your shit. If you do good job we project your good job.
Roy is asking when one American poster get hurt entire government is ready to corner RSS guys and arrest them but when thousands of muslims got hurt how they are not arresting not even one person. She is saying a Indian life(muslim/hindu) is equal to American life so America and Europe should condem the Indian barbaric activities. In India Peace is possible only through international intervention. UN and US should take the case seriously and pressurize the Indian government to establish safety for minority people.
Un till it happen the voices of so many arnthathi roys will go in to air in loud way.
NO NEED
,
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
12
Arundhati is good at "dazzling with words"; although , most words are hollow and shallow.
By using words like "pogrom" ( massacre of Jews
in Czarist Russia ) and "holocaust" ( gassing and
burning of Jews in Hitler's Germany ), she is dramatising communal riot in Gujarat. Jews did not kill one single Russian in Czarist Russia or one single German in Hitler's Germany. While, 58
Hindu men, women & children were burnt to death
by the fanatic Muslims. If Arundhati were to be
on train ( I am sure flies in and out of countries
like the "Jet-set" she regularly curses), she would be burnt to death to ! Jews ran away from Germany and German occupied Europe in WWII in droves; took refuge wherever they could. Not a single Gujarati Muslim left India or took shelter
in Pakistan ( The leading light of Islam-Ayaz Amir..DAWN columnist) or Bangladesh. As a matter of 20 million Bangladeshis are in India, living,
working and voting in elections too ! Arundhati
is a world-class liar.
All economic indicators show that India
is better off since 1991 since Rao and Manmohan
Singh started dismantling Nehruvian Socialism.
The then FM Sinha had to deposit Indian Govt Gold
in London Banks to secure loan, in 1991; the most
shameful thing!!! India has come a long way since
those days, when WIPRO is buying foreign companies
and hiring Americans to work for it.
Socialists, CPI & CPM have
one enemy, and that is RSS. So, you suddenly see
all leftists are in bed with ISLAMISTS. Since
fall of Soviet Union, and China also becoming
a "Capitalist Roader"; only source of Income for
the leftists is oil-rich Islamic countries ( North Korea-the only truly Commie state has no money). So, this new-found love of leftists for
Muslims !!! Let us see , how long it lasts!!!
Suren Sukhtankar
Troy, Michigan, USA
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
11
I agree- Her head is where she claims the Indian elites have theirs - in lala land.
Hari
Dallas, US
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
10
is she from another world ?
what crap, dont you people read the garbage before u let publish it.
R_Daneel
, USA
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
9
It doesn't really bothers me that Roy shoots off her big mouth all over the world and spreads lies against India and Indians.

She is heading the Noam Chomsky way: worshipped in dark, obscure leftist corners of the world and completely ignored at home.
BT
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
8
Just observe how she has forgotten (purposely of course) the ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits , at the same time the Gohdra massacre too.
I come from Maharashtra , in my state there have been more that 55 communal incidents in which the Hindu community has suffered , and not a single "secular intellectual " (we have a lot in Mumbai) said any thing . May be a Hindu suffering or a Hindu's economic base being damaged doesnt matter .
In Gujarat too if "two thousand Muslims" have been killed so have hundreds of Hindus and policemen by the Muslim mobs , but as usual has been ignored because "two thousand Muslims" have been killed.
By the way according to many "secular" organisations the number is either less or more than 2000.
What about the Congress and Rajiv Gandhi's goons who massacred more than 5000 Sikhs , why is that forgotten by creatures like Arundhati Roy .
What a SHAME .
Rohit Nirale
Mumbai, India
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
7
I am sure that the many million pounds Roy has earned through her one-hit-wonder all came from world's socialist movements and not from capitalist globalised book publishers.

Did anybody say hypocrite?
BT
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
6
How pathetic? She's accepting the money from her books published by a "corporate" globalizer and making her comfortable living and denying same to other poors. Her readers are from capatalist society and she's "profiting" from it and not in Brazil or Venezuala or Cuba or North Korea. I prefer private roti to socialist hunger any day. There's limit to hippocracy but she's has none. If she's so self righteous she should shun all that's the product of private capital and that includes everything cars, phones, priting press, computers and her living from private capital of capitalist country. She should give alternatives with success rather than making poor people vitims of her experitment with fantacis.
- Gandhain ( who supports capatalism)
Gandhian
Boston, USA
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
5
This question is for Commies like Srikanth & Arundhati Roy, name one nation which follows true Capitalism and is poor? Next question, name one nation which follows hard core Communism and is rich! I rest my case!
alhad
Kendall Park, USA
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
4
Arundhati Roy's polemical brilliance is sure to attract
righteous indignation and abuse from various Hindu fanatics
as well as free-marketeers thereby proving her very point
about their unholly alliance.

Socialism has been denounced by these creatures as an ideology
that distributes poverty instead of creating wealth. But these
very critics are silent when globalization is turning out to be
globalization of poverty with increasing concentration wealth -
a trend very much observable even in US in past 25 years and
whose economic system is sought to be globalized now.

In case of India however, one feels Roy is bit too optimistic.
Things are bound to get worse before they get any better there
with the likes of Vajpayee and his rightwing henchman at the
helm of affairs. His sanctimonious lecture on parliamentary
democracy just appeared on these pages a few days ago as if
words could compensate for the support he offered to the
murderous regime in Gujarat. Hindus for long have been
dreaming that theirs is the greatest religion on earth
with growing intolerance towards any one who disagrees.
Now they are joined by equally intolerant corporate dreamers
who proclaim globalized freemarket is the best economic system.
This combination is only going to produce nightmares under
the garb of combating terrorism, protecting national
interests etc.
Srikanth B
London, UK
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
3
I do not know enough to debate the contents of her speech - only that it is a classic. Another feather in the indomitable Roy's cap. Some of her stuff equals (Shakespeare) Mark Anthony's speech. Superlative !

Indian
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Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
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"It is conducting nuclear tests, rewriting history books, burning churches, and demolishing mosques. Censorship, surveillance, the suspension of civil liberties and human rights, the definition of who is an Indian citizen and who is not, particularly with regard to religious minorities, is becoming common practice now. "

Boy ,this govt is so horrible,I did not know that!!

Typical Arundhati stuff..full of exaggeration,half-truths and hyperbole...But what can u expect from a person who said Indians are forgetting the taste of lentins 'coz of McDonalds!!
We should ingnore her rantings and let her continue collecting obscure awards.
prasanna
singapore,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
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Arundharti Roy lives in Grandiose Delusion. In her figgment of imagination, she sees everything in this world as evil. What is wrong with capitalism or privitization, if it provides basic comforts of life? Has she been to Canada or US or Australia? These people live very comfortable life. Unless she wants Cuba or North Korea as an example that Indian people should follow!
alhad sathe
Kendall Park, USA