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J&K
A Forgotten Ethnic Cleansing
It's over 13 years now but, political rhetoric aside, we, as a nation, have become immune to the plight of the Kashmiri Pandits who remain largely irrelevant in the political discourse -- both within and outside the country.
January 19 marked thirteen years since what is generally recognized as the beginning of the process of ethnic cleansing by which the Kashmiri Pandits (descendents of Brahmin priests) were hounded out of the Kashmir Valley. On this day, a Kashmiri Pandit nurse working at the Soura Medical College Hospital in Srinagar was raped and later killed by Pakistan-backed terrorists. The incident was preceded by massacres of Pandit families in the Telwani and Sangrama villages of Budgam district and other places in the Kashmir Valley.
 
 
While the JKLF claimed a 'secular' agenda of liberation from Indian rule, the terrorist intent was clearly to drive non-Muslim 'infidels' out of the State.
 
 

While the Jammu & Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) claimed a 'secular' agenda of liberation from Indian rule, the terrorist intent was clearly to drive non-Muslim 'infidels' out of the State and establish Nizam-e-Mustafa (literally, the Order of the Prophet; government according to the Shariah).

Accounts of Pandits from this traumatic period reveal that it was not unusual to see posters and announcements telling them to leave the Valley. On April 4, 1990, for instance, a prominent Urdu newspaper, Alsafa, carried the following headline: "Kashmiri Pandits responsible for duress against Muslims should leave the valley within two days."

Pandit properties were either destroyed or taken over by terrorists or by local Muslims, and there was a continuous succession of brutal killings, a trend that continues even today. Ethnic cleansing was evidently a systematic component of the terrorists' strategic agenda in J&K, and estimates suggest that, just between February and March 1990, 140,000 to 160,000 Pandits had fled the Valley to Jammu, Delhi, or other parts of the country.

Simultaneously, there were a number of high-profile killings of senior Hindu officials, intellectuals and prominent personalities. Eventually, an estimated 400,000 Pandits - some 95 per cent of their original population in the Valley - became part of the neglected statistic of 'internal refugees' who were pushed out of their homes as a result of this campaign of terror.

 
 
Not only did the Indian state fail to protect them in their homes, successive governments have provided little more than minimal humanitarian relief.
 
 
Not only did the Indian state fail to protect them in their homes, successive governments have provided little more than minimal humanitarian relief, and this exiled community seldom figures in the discourse on the 'Kashmir issue' and its resolution.

A majority of the Pandit refugees live in squalid camps with spiraling health and economic problems. Approximately 2,17,000 Pandits still live in abysmal conditions in Jammu with families of five to six people often huddled into a small room. Social workers and psychologists working among them testify that living as refugees in such conditions has taken a severe toll on their physical and mental health.

Confronted with the spectre of cultural extinction, incidence of problems such as insomnia, depression and hypertension have increased and birth rates have declined significantly. A 1997 study based on inquiries at various migrant camps in Jammu and Delhi revealed that there had been only 16 births compared to 49 deaths in about 300 families between 1990 and 1995, a period over which militancy was at its peak.

The deaths were mostly of people in the age group of 20 to 45. Causes for the low birth rates were primarily due to premature menopause in women, hypo-function of the reproductive system and lack of adequate accommodation and privacy.

 
 
Whenever any attempt aimed to facilitate KP return to the Valley has been initiated, a major incident of terrorist violence against them has occurred.
 
 
Dr. K.L. Choudhary, who has been treating various Kashmiri Pandit patients, asserts that they had aged physically and mentally by 10 to 15 years beyond their natural age, and that there was a risk that the Pandits could face extinction if current trends persist.

On the abysmal conditions at the camps, one report stated that, at the Muthi camp on the outskirts of Jammu where most of the Pandits stayed after migration from the Valley, a single room was being shared by three generations. In certain cases at other places, six families lived in a hall separated by partitions of blankets or bed sheets.

The Pandits have rejected rehabilitation proposals that envision provision of jobs if the displaced people returned to the Valley, indicating that they were not willing to become 'cannon-fodder' for politicians who cannot guarantee their security. The Pandits insist that they will return to the Valley only when they - and not these 'others' - are able to determine that the situation is conducive to their safety.

"We cannot go back in the conditions prevailing in Kashmir. We will go back on our own terms," Kashmiri Samiti president Sunil Shakdher said in August 2002 in response to the then Farooq Abdullah regime's proposed rehabilitation agenda. At the minimum level, these terms would include security to life and property and, at a broader level, a consensual rehabilitation scheme.

Any proposal to return the Pandits to the Valley in the past has been cut short by terrorists.

 
 
The Kashmiri Samiti had asked for a probe into the alleged missing 18,000 job applications invited by the Abdullah government from Kashmiri Pandits.
 
 
Whenever any attempt aimed to facilitate their return to the Valley has been initiated, a major incident of terrorist violence against them has occurred. The massacre of 26 Pandits at Wandhama, a hamlet in the Ganderbal area of the Valley on the intervening night of January 25-26, 1998; the earlier killing of eight others at Sangrampora in Budgam district on March 22, 1997; and the massacre of 26 Hindus at Prankote in Udhampur District on April 21, 1998; are only three of the many examples of the terrorists' tactic to block any proposal for the return of migrants to the Valley.

These massacres and a continuous succession of targeted individual killings have ensured the failure of every proposal to resolve the problem of the exiled Pandits. It was, again, this pervasive insecurity that led to the collapse of the proposal to create 13 clusters of residential houses in 'secure zones' in different parts of Anantnag for the return and rehabilitation of Kashmiri Pandit migrants from outside the Valley in April 2001.

Earlier, in 1996, the then Chief Minister Farooq Abdullah had formed a six-member Apex Committee under the chairmanship of Abdul Ahmed Vakil, then Relief and Revenue Minister, with the objective of drawing an action plan for facilitating a safe and honourable return of the migrants to the Valley.

Based on the views of the migrant Pandits and the Apex Committee's interim report, the State government subsequently announced a Rs. 28 billion rehabilitation package. The scheme included the creation of an authority of the Protector General of Migrant Properties; Rs. 1,00,000 for each Kashmiri migrant family willing to return to the Valley; setting up of a transit settlement at Srinagar, Anantnag and Baramulla Districts; rehabilitation grants of Rs. 150,000 to each house; waiver of loans; a sustenance allowance of Rs. 3,000 to those migrants who had been employed in the private sector; and opportunities for the children, among others.

Ramesh Manvati, General Secretary of Panun Kashmir (a frontline organisation of the Pandits), said on January 19, 2002, that the J&K government's rehabilitation of some Pandits at Tulla-Mulla in Srinagar and Matan in the Anantnag district "is being done without consulting us and is largely an eyewash." The Kashmiri Samiti had asked for a probe into the alleged missing 18,000 job applications invited by the Abdullah government from Kashmiri Pandits. The Samiti also claims that approximately 3,000 jobs had fallen vacant since many Pandits in government service had retired over the years, and that not a single person had been appointed from the community so far.

The current Chief Minister Mufti Mohammed Sayeed, addressing his maiden press conference at Srinagar on November 3, 2002, said that the rehabilitation of migrant Pandits was one of his government's 'top priorities', adding that, "Their (the Pandits') migration is a blot on the identity of Kashmir."

The Pandits, however, regard the Sayeed regime's 'healing touch' policy with great skepticism. The regime's decision to release a number of terrorists and secessionists on bail and the proposal to hold talks "without any pre-conditions" with a mélange of groups actively pursuing the agenda of violence has led a section of the Pandit community to believe that the State government, "is turning a blind eye to our plight…"

For a majority of the displaced Kashmiris, the recent State Legislative Assembly elections held little meaning. Panun Kashmir, during the run up to the State Legislative Assembly elections in 2002, had dismissed the exercise as 'meaningless'. They said the Election Commission's decision to make arrangements for Hindu migrants to vote from outside J&K would institutionalise their migrant status. "The move to allow migrant Hindu Pandits to vote at their respective refugee camps only reinforces the mindset that there are no chances for them to return to their homes, ever," said Shakdher.

A section of the Pandits have demanded a geo-political re-organisation of the State and the carving of a separate homeland for them. Ramesh Manvati believes that this "is the only viable option available for our rehabilitation." While such an extreme measure may arises out of the increasing desperation of a people whose plight has been ignored for nearly a decade and a half, the idea itself is fraught with the imminent danger of playing into the hands of religious extremists who seek a division of the State along religious lines.

Their relatively small numbers, coupled with a tradition of non-violent protest, has made the Pandits largely irrelevant in the political discourse - both within the country and internationally - on Kashmir. It should be clear, however, that the many 'peace processes' and 'political solutions' that are initiated from time to time have little meaning until these include some steps to correct the grave injustices done to this unfortunate community.


The author is Research Associate, Institute for Conflict Management; Assistant Editor, Faultlines: Writings on Conflict & Resolution. Courtesy: South Asia Intelligence Review of the South Asia Terrorism Portal

 
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Feb 11, 2003 12:00 AM
70
The arrest of a maulana for masterminding of the burning of
hindu pilgrims in train in Gujarat shows that this incident is
also part of the ethnic cleansing operation done by paksitan
and bangla desh!!!
One reader had written about this grim, dark fact and wicked startegy played by these barbarians, in one of the opinions in this site some days ago too.
The religious text of the most tolerant and loving people on earth is taught by mualnas and mullahs all over the world, saying that infidel kafir hindus and sikhs have to be burnt alive or killed or converted to their faith and the arrest of the maulana for Godhra burning of hindu pilgrims in train is proof of this grand evil design to repeat this ethnic cleansing experiments all over India, not only in Pakistan and bangla Desh.
For this ifidel cleansing operation, all p-secs including arundhati roy, prem jha, ranjoot bhushan, praful boodwai and kuuldoop nayar will be big supporters not to speak of vp singh, gujral, commies like surjeet, basu and all other anti-national elements in the media and around the world.
Some isi agents and agents of sonia-vatican-commies nexus and muslim intellectuals and organizations will come to this site and comment that lives of millions of hindus in pakistan and india are being sacrificed for the good of the world community and that nobody should shed any tears or have any sympathy at all at all for these infidel kafir hindus and sikhs!!!
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Feb 11, 2003 12:00 AM
69
This guy who posted below as BT is the same psychopath who posts messages as Infidel Kafir and Bluebird.
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Feb 11, 2003 12:00 AM
68
Hey BT alias Infidel Kafir, we all know you enjoy this kind of ethnic cleansing happening so that you can pursue your hate mongering and ethnic cleansing campaign agaisnt Indian minorities.
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Feb 10, 2003 12:00 AM
67
Really? Hindus ethnically eleansed from Kashmir? This really happened? I thought that's a banned subject in India.

Are you sure we are allowed to discuss this? Hindus getting killed, raped, driven away must be all fantasy. Whoever says these is a fascist, communalist and is surely Infidel.

Wait for our favourite muslim psycho-boy to appear and state that Outlook is Infidel Kaffir.
BT
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Feb 08, 2003 12:00 AM
66
The arrest of a maulana for masterminding of the burning of hindu pilgrims in train in Gujarat shows that this incident is also part of the ethnic cleansing operation done by paksitan and bangla desh!!! One reader had written about this grim, dark fact and wicked startegy played by these barbarians, in one of the opinions in this site some days ago too.
The religious text of the most tolerant and loving people on earth is taught by mualnas and mullahs all over the world, saying that infidel kafir hindus and sikhs have to be burnt alive or killed or converted to their faith and the arrest of the maulana is proof of this grand evil design to repeat all over India, not only in Pakistan and bangla Desh.
For this ifidel cleansing operation, all p-secs including arundhati roy, prem jha, ranjoot bhushan, praful boodwai andkuuldoop nayar will be big supporters not to speak of vp singh, gujral, commies surjeet, basu and all other anti-national elements in the media and around the world. Some isi agents and agents of sonia-vatican-commies nexus and muslim intellectuals and organizations will come and comment that lives of millions of hindus in pakistan and india are being sacrificed for the good of the world community and that nobody should any tear at all for these infidel kafirs.
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Feb 08, 2003 12:00 AM
65
A very shocking story on the plight of pandits. While the media in our country focused on a few gujarati muslims no one carred about the millions of kashmiri pandits.
Just one question to secular media dont Hindus have the same human rights that are givin to muslims. why does the media always ignore the atrocities on hindus commited by muslims.
I would like to thank the outhor for this great article

Arvind
Arvind Gupta
Jammu, India
Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
64
I am surprised that none of the brain-washed robots have answered to the opinion below, have they lost their acid and dirty tongues???Here is it again.
Tell me, has any muslim group or intellectual or social worker ever raised a little finger or protested verbally against this holocaust of millions and millions hindus and sikhs in Kashmir, Pakistan and Bangla Desh???
They will not protest because according to their favourite religious text, hindus and sikh are infidel kafirs and they deserve to be burnt as in Godhra train and their eyes must be savagely removed as done by pakistani and bangla deshi
soldiers.
So the minority robots of our country, eduated in madrasas and fed on pure and blind hatred for infidel hindus and sikhs , whether they are educated or not educated will not raise a little finger or protest. This is because they
"love" hindus and sikhs so much and they are the most "tolerant" and loving people on earth.
Demolition of hindu and sikh places of worship by thousands and thousands along with the brutal ethnic cleansing is part of this faith driven into their brains since childhood!!! So long as their religious text classifies hindus and sikhs as kafirs and infidels, this loving mentality is not likely to change.
So kafir hindus and sikhs, beware if they are not to have the same fate as hindusin Pakistan or Bangla Desh, to be butchered or burnt!!!
And there will be arundhati roy, ranjit bhhoshan , jha and Sahabna Azmi and Anita Pratap and many other journalist friends to support this elimination and clean-up operation!!
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Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
63
Tell me, has any muslim group or intellectual or social worker ever raised a little finger or protested verbally against this holocaust of millions and millions hindus and sikhs in Kashmir, Pakistan and Bangla Desh???
They will not protest beacuse according to their favourite religious text, hindus and sikh are infidel kafirs and they deserve to be burnt as in Godhra train and their eyes must be savagely removed as done by pakistani and bangla deshi soldiers. So the robots in india whether they are educated or not will not raise a little finger or protest. This is because they love hindus and sikhs so much and they are the most tolerant and loving people on earth.
Demolition of hindu and sikh places of worship by thousands and thousands along with the brutal ethnic cleansing is part of this faith driven into their brains since childhood!!! So long as their religious text classifies hindus and sikhs as kafirs and infidels, this loving mentality is not likely to change. So kafirs, beware if they are not to have the same fate as hindus in Pakistan or Bangla Desh. Soon it could be your trun!!! And there will be arundhati roy, ranjit bhhoshan , jha and Sahabna Azmi and Anita Pratap and many other journalist friends to support this elimination and clean-up operation!!!
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Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
62
Does Infidel Kafir services to people like togadia also?
,
Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
61
ha ha ha .. Infidel,
Wasn't your offer in another thread, where you said you have a two bedroom apartment in Mumbai and asked Arundhati and Anita Pratap over. You must be making a lot of money offering your services. But don't you know prostitution is illegal? No, don't worry, I won't tell anyone. If it provides you with pocket money during your visits to India, so be it.
abc
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Feb 03, 2003 12:00 AM
60
Every body agrees that Congress governments of past 50 years did nothing to prevent the ethnic cleansing of hindus in pakistan, and bangla desh and they did nothing to prevent the ethnic cleansing of hindus even in Indian part of kashmir.
It isnot the empire's or america's problem, is'nt it??
Did Indian journalists write a single article on this terrible catastrophe for the past 50 years other than this surprising one by Outlook. That shows that outlook is much more balanced web site and weekly compared to all the shitty journalists and editors and their masters in our media world..
Of course Arundhati Roy will write thousands of firy articles and give hundreds of lectures all over the world if a christian missionary is killed in a traffic accident in india, saying that hindus are intolerant and ethnically cleansing christians and minorities in a really savage manner!!! This is the
standard of our p-sec intellectuals!!! Who said minorities do not rule India??!
Now let me ask this question, what has BJP, supposed to a hindu party done to the hindus in India??
See what BJP has done!!
They have increased the haj subsidy for muslim pilgrims to visit saudi arabia to about 2000 crores rupees every year when millions of hindus are living in dire poverty and struggling to have one meal a day in India and when many
thousands of hindus and sikhs are being brutally butchered and eliminated by terrorists in Kashmir!!
What is Vhp, Bajrang dal and Shiva Sena,Togadia and hindu sants doing to
stop these abnomal behaviours of the hindu bjp party? Just sleeping or meditating as usual!!
Why the present government cannot give a subsidy of 5000
rupees each to every Hindu family every year to a pilgrimage to a temple of their choice any where in India???
For example, a north indian family can visit a south indian temple,etc,etc and a south indian family can be paid similar allowance for a pilgrimage to a north Indian temple every year..
The government can give allowances instead of cash, such as tickets for hotels or railway or air tickets,etc to hindu pilgrims and this will rejuvenate our
economy to a great extent.
Is Mr Modi and Togadia and Singhal and Thackerey, Bajrang Dal and hindu leaders listening, please???
This sort of subsidy or allowance will help national integration and greater
unity of people also which many p-secs and enemies of india like Aroondhati will not naturally like!!
Has the Bjp leaders and its government the courage and
planning to do this favour to hindus, irrespective of castes??
Instead of rhe above, will they not increase the haj subsidy nex year to 3000 crores rupees, from present 2000 crores???
We have to wait and see what they do next!!! BJP is capable of doing great surprises.
,
Feb 02, 2003 12:00 AM
59
ha ha ha..
Arundathi my offer still stands.. if u r not interested atleast forward my message to anita pratap or any of the restless psec females.

Waiting for a favourable reply
infidel-kafir
kafirtown, kafirstan
Feb 02, 2003 12:00 AM
58
Every body agrees that Congress governments of past 50
years did nothing to prevent the ethnic cleansing of hindus in
pakistan, and bangla desh and they did nothing to prevent the
ethnic cleansing of hindus even in Indian part of kashmir.
It isnot the empire's or america's problem, is'nt it??
Of course Arundhati Roy will write thousands of firy articles
and give hundreds of lectures all over the world if a christian
missionary is killed in a traffic accident in india, saying
that hindus are intolerant and ethnically cleansing christians
and minorities in a really savage manner!!! This is the
standard of our p-sec intellectuals!!!
Now let me ask this question, what has BJP, supposed to be a hindu party done to the hindus in India??
See what BJP has done!!
They have increased the haj subsidy for muslim pilgrims to
visit saudi arabia to about 2000 crores rupees every year
when millions of hindus are living in dire poverty and
struggling to have one meal a day in India and when many
thousands of hindus and sikhs are being brutally butchered
and eliminated by terrorists in Kashmir!!
What is Vhp, Bajrang dal and Shiva Sena,Togadia doing to
stop these abnomal behaviours of the hindu bjp party? Just
sleeping as usual!!
Why the present government cannot give a subsidy of 5000 rupees each to every Hindu family every year to a pilgrimage to a temple of their choice any where in India???
For example, a north indian family can visit a south indian temple,etc,etc.
The government can give allowances for hotels or railway or
air tickets,etc to hindu pilgrims and this will rejuvenate our
economy to a great extent.
Is Mr Modi and Togadia and Singhal and Thackerey listening, please???
This sort of subsidy will help national integration and greater unity of people
also which many p-secs and enemies of india like Aroondhati will not
naturally like!!
Has the Bjp leaders and its government the courage and
planning to do this favour to hindus, irrespective of castes??
Instead of rhe above, will they not increase the haj subsidy
nex year to 3000 crores rupees, from present 2000 crores ???
We have to wait and see what they do next!!! BJP is capable
of doing great surprises.


,
Feb 02, 2003 12:00 AM
57
Well, it is a good idea to suspect any hate messenger as infidel. Who cares if you are wrong? As far as I am concerned, one is the same as the other. They are all haters. No different from racists.
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Feb 02, 2003 12:00 AM
56
Infidel Kafir has been posting so many propaganda messages using so many different pseudonyms that now every extremist posting any hate message is suspected to be Infidel. Some of these guys may not be Infidel at all. Isn't that too bad!!!!
fidel castro
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Feb 02, 2003 12:00 AM
55
I don't know wether anybody has told the pandits this earlier so here goes.The Indian Government is doing evrything it can to end miltancy in the valley.It is not in India's interest for it to continue.HAving stated the obvious,I have to remind the Pandits that this is their battle too.In fact thier battle alone.The whole of India will stand by u and fight.But I don't see u fighting.Every oppressed community in the world puts up a fight.True this is only a precursor to a negotiated settlement.But trust me no one is going to give u back ur lives, unless u show some commitment to fight for it.Dismiss this advice as pompous and self righteous if u will.But honestly ask yourselevs if my words ring hollow.
If u believe that urs is a unique culture, if u believe that ur Land is beloved enough that you will fight for it , then rise up against those who disposses u and u will see each Indian Rising up with u.
If however U cannot find it in urself, burn up ur placards stop ur whining and find a new vocation in life.
pradyot dhulipala
NY, USA
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
54
IS BT INFIDEL KAFIR?
,
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
53
IS INFIDEL KAFIR BT?
,
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
52
You stupid p-sec idiots, listen to this, BT objects your diversionary tactics.
So from now on Infidel Kafir is not Narotham Desai. He is not Bluebird. He is not Jibananda. He is not Ravi Pillai. And certainly he is not Draupati Mehta. (after all, drupti is a woman, have some sense you morons.)

Please remember, Infidel kafir is not Infidel Kafir either. He is nameless. So stop your stupid diversionary tactics you hearless, stone minded, idiots.
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Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
51
I agree with you one hundred percent, Infidel. I commend BT wholeheartedly. Any comments BT?
jibananda
prabitra mukta nagari,
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
50
That was great BT, you taught those infidel p-sec mullah pigshit a good lesson. Now there won't be a peep out of them. They are all scared now and running, the scumbags. I commend your courage in speaking those few words which are pure gems. I am sure Jibananda will agree with me.
Infidel Kafir
kafirtown, kafirland
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
49
Idiots, stop this all are infidel kafir,infidel kafir business and stop this diversion tactics!!!. We know you have stony hearts especially if the victims are hindus and the temples destroyed are those of hindus! We do not blame you because you idiots are brain-washed to be wircked,cruel and intolerant to the maximum possible towards infidels and kafirs as hindus and sikhs.. Only Bush knows how to take care of you heart-less, mindless, brutal, robotic beastly animals!!!
,
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
48
I wouldn't be surprised if Infidel enjoys ethnic cleansing and religious riots and things like that. He has proved quite well he is a monster who wants to stir up trouble for whatever reason. I would compare it to an arsonist who causes a fire then stand back with crocodile tears pouring down from his eyes and blaming the arson on someone else.
c.k.raj
ny,
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
47
In his message BELOW, what is Ravi Pillai (INFIDEL KAFIR) complainging about? He actually loves events like ethnic cleansing taking place in Kashmir against Hindus, because it gives him a good opportunity to pursue his hate campaign against Indian minorities. Infidel Kafir is a psychopathic monster who loves to cause trouble. He hates minorities because he suffered some snub by some muslims or christians and he wants to use the anti-minority feelings of some people, to his own advatage to take vengeance. What matters to him is revenge and nothing else. He pretends he is speaking for Hinduism whereas he is speaking only for himself and his pet revenge.
,
Feb 01, 2003 12:00 AM
46
Every body agrees that Congress governments of past 50 years did nothing to prevent the ethnic cleansing of hindus in pakistan, and bangla desh and they did nothing to prevent the ethnic cleansing of hindus even in Indian part of kashmir.It is not the empire's or america's problem, is'nt it??
Of course Arundhati Roy will write thousands of firy articles and give hundreds of lectures all over the world if a christian missionary is killed in a traffic accident in india, saying thathindus are intolerant and ethnically cleansing christians and minorities in a really savage manner!!! This is the standard of
our p-sec intellectuals!!!
Now let me ask this question, what has BJP, supposed to be a hindu party done to the hindus in India?? See what BJP has done!!
They have increased the haj subsidy for muslim pilgrims to visit saudi arabia to about 2000 crores rupees every year when millions of hindus are living in dire poverty and struggling to have one meal a day in India and when many thousands of hindus and sikhs are being brutally butchered and eliminated
by terrorists in Kashmir!!
What is Vhp, Bajrang dal and Shiva Sena,Togadia doing to stop these abnomal behaviours of the hindu bjp party? Just sleeping as usual!!
Why the present government cannot give a subsidy of 5000 rupees each to every Hindu family every year to a pilgrimage to a temple of their choice
any where in India??? For example, a north indian family can visit a south indian temple,etc,etc.
The government can give allowances for hotels or railway or air tickets,etc to hindu pilgrims and this will rejuvenate our economy to a great extent. Is Mr Modi and Togadia and Singhal and Thackerey listening, please???
This will help national integration and greater unity of people also which many p-secs and enemies of india like Aroondhati will not naturally like!!
Has the Bjp leaders and its government the courage and planning to do this favour to hindus, irrespective of castes??
Instead of rhe above, will they not increase the haj subsidy nex year to 3000 crores rupees, from present 2000 crores ???
We have to wait and see what they do next!!! BJP is capable of doing great surprises.
,
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
45
Every body agrees that Congress governments of past 50 years did nothing to prevent the ethnic cleansing of hindus in paksitan and bangla desh and to prevent the ethnic cleansing of hindus even in Indian part of kashmir.
Now let me ask this question, what has bjp, supposed to bea hindu party done to the hindus in India?? See what bjp has done!
They have increased the haj subsidy for muslim pilgrims to visit saudi arabia to about 2000 crores rupees every year when hindus are living in dire poverty in India and when they are eliminated by terrorists in Kashmir!!
What is vhp, bajrang dal and shiva sena doing to stop these abnomal behaviours of the hindu bjp party? Just sleeping as usual!!
Why not the government give a subsidy of 5000 rupees each to every Hindu family to a pilgrimage to a temple of their choice any where in India??? For example, a north indian family can visit a south indian temple,etc,etc.
This will help national integration and greater unity of people also which many p-secs and enemies of india will not narturally like!!
Has the bjp leaders and its government the courage and planning to do this?? or will they increase the haj subsidy next year to 3000 crores rupees, from present 2000 crores ??? We have to wait and see!
,
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
44
Some people in this opinion section seem to be unhappy that hindus have not been eliminated completely from Kashmir an perhaps from this world altogether!!
They call themseleves loving, peace-loving and tolerant and what not!! Are they not beasts? Do they have hearts or brains? Do they have feelings of pity,sympathy, love or are their brains made of rock???
But do robots have brains?? Are they not brain-wahsed robots fed of hatred for infidel kafir hindus and sikhs from childhood and brain-washed from childhood to even destroy all places of worship of infidel kafir hindus and sikhs???
Do they not stick to their theory that kafir infidels deserve to be eliminated by whatever means from this earth??? That is why they have notears or sympathy for many millions of infidel kafir hindus and sikhs who have been brutally killed and eliminated from Pakistan, Bangla Desh and now Kashmir.
Aroondhati,Anita Pratap, Bhusooshan, Boodwai and Jha, journalist George and many other p-secs can qualify to be in this beast group!! They will still keep on repeating Gujarat,Gujarat,Modi,Togadia, etc. The fact that gujaratis led by Modi routed them in the polls does not concern them because they have no skin or have skins thicker 10 times more than that of Rhinos!!
What a pity!! What a terrible shame!!! No words are enough to describe these beasts and their heart-lessness!!! The real terror lies in the religious texts and their preaching from madrassas and their blind preachers who preach intoerance and hatred 24 hours a day, all over the world.
Only America and Bush know how to handle these beasts and sooner or later they will be made extinct from this earth and Indians and hindus can pray that sooner it happens better it will be for them too!!! Bush knows that if he does not act fast, Americans will get the taste of nuclear or chemical or biological weapons sent from these beast groups in pakistan or saudi or yemen very soon.
Good riddance soon of the worst group of barabarians that the world has seen in the entire history!!!


,
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
43
If anyone wants to know about the standards of Madrassa education, he can satisfy himself by reading the post by INDIAN(???).He says that Puran,Vedas & Gita preach violence & brutality.Haha,as if since he has said it has got to be correct.He said Sati must be banned.Haha,the stupid does not know that it was banned more than hundreds years ago.Vidyasagar proved, nowhere in the Hinduism sati was santioned,it was nothing but a custom,that too developed because of Muslim invaders.Muslims used to rape & enslave Hindu women.They preffered to burn themselves to escape from the Muslims.Nowhere in the Vedas untouchability can be found.It was a social evil,nothing to do with religion & by our Constitution we have prohibited it.Human sacrifice was banned earlier than Sati ban.In many Indian states cow slaughter is permitted.Rammohan Roy was not Hindu.He formed Bramha religion.So Hindus have reformed.It's now turn for the Muslims to delete about 100 verses which are dangerous for other religions.
bluebird
kolkata, India
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
42
Some people in this opinion section seem to be unhappy that hindus have not been eliminated completely from Kashmir and perhaps from this world altogether!!
They call themseleves loving, peace-loving and tolerant and what not!! Are they not beasts? Do they have hearts or brains?
Do they have feelings of pity,sympathy, love or are their brains made of rock???
But do robots have brains?? Are they not brain-wahsed robots fed of hatred for infidel kafir hindus and sikhs from childhood and brain-washed from childhood to even destroy all places of worship of infidel kafir hindus and sikhs???
Do they stick to their theory that kafir infidels deserve to be eliminated by whatever means from this earth???Arundhati,Anita Pratap, Bhusooshan, Boodwai and Jha, journalist George and many other p-secs can qualify to be in this beast group!!
They will still keep on repeating Gujarat,Gujarat,Modi,Togadia, etc.
What a pity!! What a terrible shame!!! No words are enough to describe these beasts and their heart-lessness!!! The real terror lies in the religious texts and their preaching from madrassas and their blind preachers all over the world.
Only America and Bush know how to handle these beasts and sooner or later they will be made extinct from this earth and Indians and hindus can pray that sooner it happens better it will be for them too!!!
Good riddance soon of the worst group of barabarians that the world has seen
in the entire history!!!
,
Jan 31, 2003 12:00 AM
41
If anyone talks about Kashmir, there are a thousand responses. If anyone talks about Nagaland, there is silence. Don't you guys care about us, or should I be glad you're saving your foul language and abuses for each other here?
A Naga
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
40
yaah right. Everybody writing here is infidel kafir. everybody is Ravi Pilli. That is all you commie mullah moron shit can say. everybody is raovi pillai. everybody is Noratham doosai. Go get some education you p-sec pig shit. rovai pileee hoy. hoi polloi. rovai pyulee. Areeeeeeeeeeeeeee reviiiiiiii!!!!!
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
39
Infidel Kafir (Ravi Pillai) says, "Some people in this opinion section seem to be unhappy that hindus have not been eliminated from Kashmir". Ravi Pillai, if anybody is happy about that it is you. You really enjoy the plight of the Pandits, because it gives you more reason to spread your hatred. You are not concerned for Hindus or anybody, but yourself. You must be really gloating and hoping that more of such things happen so it helps to fuel your hate campaign.
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
38
Thank you Ravi Pillai for all the gems you post on this site. At least you are educating all these p-sec commie mullah shit who cannot even read english. Whatever you post are real gems, the likes of which can be created only by enlightened people likd you, Bluebird and I. Give all these commie mullah pigshit a kick in the butt.
Narotham Desai
Gloucestor, uk
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
37
Some people in this opinion section seem to be unhappy that hindus have not been eliminated completely from Kashmir and perhaps from this world altogether!!
They call themseleves loving, peace-loving and tolerant andwhat not!! Are they not beasts? Do they have hearts or brains? Do they have feelings of pity,sympathy, love or are their brains made of rock???
But do robots have brains?? Are they not brain-wahsed robots fed of hatred for infidel kafir hindus and sikhs from childhood and brain-washed from childhood to destroy all places of worship of infidel kafir hindus and sikhs???
Do they stick to their theory that kafir infidels deserve to be eliminated by whatever means from this earth???Arundhati,Anita Pratap, Bhusooshan, Boodwai and Jha, journalist George and many other p-secs can qualify to
be in this beast group!!
They will still keep on repeating Gujarat,Gujarat,Modi,Togadia, etc.
What a pity!! What a terrible shame!!! No words are enough to describe these beasts and their heart-lessness!!! The real terror lies in the religious texts and their preaching from madrassas and their blind preachers all over the world.
Only America and Bush know how to handle these beasts and sooner or later they will be made extinct from this earth and Indians and hindus can pray that sooner it happens better it will be for them too!!!
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
36
Kashmiri pandits plight and islamic terrorism are evil realities. So also,

Muslim victims of Hindu extremists and hate-mongerers like Narotham Desai, Durham, Britain (his aliases - infidel kafir,vasisht,blue bird , Ravi pillai) and lots of others like Modi, togadia and gujurat-lab project team is the other evil reality and another side of the same coin.

Both are dangerous and needs to be equally addressed and weeded out.

If Koran needs to be revised then, so also do the hindu scriptures like the vedas, gitas and puranas which preach violence, brutality (everythings ok, so long as its karma, it is dharma or some shit ), untouchabilty (shudras system), sati or wife burning/swapping, cow worshipping, human and animal sacrifice for kali mata etc .. the list is endless. hindu philosopher ram mohan roy himself was against most of these hindu preachings.

so much for a person living in a glass house throwing stones at others .. when it comes to fanaticism, the hindus are as bad as the muslims they crook their fingers at.










INDIAN
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
35
Nice article, well articulated and well said. It has the portents to become obituary for the illustrious breed of KPs.
KPs listen..Skies are not going to open up and gods are not going to walk down the earth, not even Gandhi or Nehru will revisit for our succour and rehabilitation(by the way do we want it ???).
Our fate is in our own hand and no one is going to offer our homes back to us. Why should they ?
It suits them. Suits all the parties.
No one is going to listen to us. We are too less and too small to make a noise.
May be we require a modern day Chaim Weizmann !
But then there has to be fire withing our own bellies to produce another Golda Meir.





KP
Boston, USA
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
34
All the whining below by Hindus about the dire fate of the Kashmiri Pandits is absolutely stupid. If Hindus don't know how to defend themselves they are going to be wiped out by tougher people. Period. They will have chosen their fate. The world does nor owe flabby gutless Hindus survival.

Incidentally, how richly ironic that the Kashmiri Pandits are in danger of becomig extinct thanks to the consequences of the Muslim-favouring policies of their most noble son: Pandit Jawaharlal "Wimp" Nehru!! I hope the Pandis are proud of their noble son's feat of getting his own people slorked!!
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
33
Thank you, ravi Pillai, for the message below. You only trying to make us pseudo-seculars look too stupid by puttting out messages like that which everyone can see are stupid!! But now we have a Protection Service for Genuainne Pseudo-seculars!!! That is what you don't know, Ravi Pilli!!!
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
32
Kashmiri pandits plight and islamic terrorism are evil realities. So also,

Muslim victims of Hindu extremists and hate-mongerers like Narotham Desai, Durham, Britain (his aliases - infidel kafir,vasisht,blue bird , Ravi pillai) and lots of others like Modi, togadia and gujurat-lab project team is the other evil reality and another side of the same coin.

Both are dangerous and needs to be equally addressed and weeded out.

If Koran needs to be revised then, so also do the hindu scriptures like the vedas, gitas and puranas which preach violence, brutality (everythings ok, so long as its karma, it is dharma or some shit ), untouchabilty (shudras system), sati or wife burning/swapping, cow worshipping, human and animal sacrifice for kali mata etc .. the list is endless. hindu philosopher ram mohan roy himself was against most of these hindu preachings.

so much for a person living in a glass house throwing stones at others .. when it comes to fanaticism, the hindus are as bad as the muslims they crook their fingers at.








INDIAN
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
31
Kashmiri pandits plight and islamic terrorism are evil realities. So also,

Muslim victims of Hindu extremists and hate-mongerers like Narotham Desai, Durham, Britain (his aliases - infidel kafir,vasisht,blue bird , Ravi pillai) and lots of others like Modi, togadia and gujurat-lab project team is the other evil reality and another side of the same coin.

Both are dangerous and needs to be equally addressed and weeded out.

If Koran needs to be revised then, so also do the hindu scriptures like the vedas, gitas and puranas which preach violence, brutality (everythings ok, so long as its karma, it is dharma or some shit ), untouchabilty (shudras system), sati or wife burning/swapping, cow worshipping, human and animal sacrifice for kali mata etc .. the list is endless. hindu philosopher ram mohan roy himself was against most of these hindu preachings.

so much a person in a glass house throwing stones at others ..




INDIAN
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
30
Some people in this opinion section seem to be unhappy that hindus have not been eliminated completely from Kashmir and perhaps from this world altogether!!
They call themseleves loving, peace-loving and tolerant and what not!! Are they not beasts? Do they have hearts or brains? Do they have feelings of pity,sympathy, love or are their brains made of rock???
Do they stick to their theory that kafir infidels deserve to be eliminated by whatever means from this earth???Arundhati,Anita Pratap, Bhusooshan, Boodwai and Jha, journalist George and many other p-secs can qualify to be in this beast group!! They will still keep on repeating Gujarat,Gujarat,Modi,Togadia, etc.
What a pity!! What a terrible shame!!! No words are enough to describe these beasts and their heart-lessness!!!
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
29
It is sad that it has taken thirteen years for a magazine like yours to acknowledge the atrocities committed against the Kashmiri Hindus.The incident about a Hindu nurse being raped and murdered never made the headlines in your magazine.No self styled reports about the plight of the Pandits in refugee camps ever appeared in your magazine.Compare this to the coverage given to the atrocities committed during the Gujarat riots.Can you call yourself a honest journal? And your editor in chief who is quick to rant and rave about the evils of Hindutva, where was he when all this was happening? Hang your head in shame for you stand charged with complicity in this ethnic cleansing of the Hindus from Kashmir.
Vivek Gumaste
New York, USA
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
28
The realities mantioned in the article are well known to every conscious indian citizen. Congrats to OUTLOOK for highlighting the same again. Let us hope that this article will be followed by some action by government.

But the real motive of Vinod Mehta and OUTLOOK team is diffrent. The have been bashed up lately by readers for their anti-hindu stand. They just want to counter balance the same with this article. The pinkos will remain pinkos and these are their crocodile tears for hindus.
Ajit Welling
Mumbai, India
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
27
It seems as if people where eagerly waiting for some hindu pandits to get hurt so that they can justify the rest of their harshness.
The article says “ethnic cleansing” I don’t understand what the author is intend to mean by this. He says something like racial purification or racial removal. Not going into what he mean, I can understand that many people in this forum and the author feels happy that there is a point of justification they can make by claiming Kashmir pandit faced lot of problem in Kashmir. Yes Kashmir pandit faced problem along with Kashmir muslim people. There were severe losses for both muslim and hindus. Muslims were harassed by security guards and hindu pandits were harassed by muslim fundamentalist. Both were equally barbaric which require condemning and all responsibilities are need to be bring to justice. But the article is kind of RSS propaganda, what he is arriving. Today what is he asking the government to do. The government is Kashmir is secular and government in central is hindu fundamental , Kashmir government is asking the migrated pandits to come back to Kashmir but the central what it is doing for that. Put the same question what RSS/VHP is going to do , to keep these pandits living aside with those muslim. From the author to RSS they use a incident to propagate that hindus were not alone in barbaric activities and muslims are also involved. There is nothing to prove in that. Muslim need to verify there fundamental forces, no doubt about it. But the people who are stressing RSS/VHP and so called pseudo hidutuva protectors has no right to talk about it because they them self horrible like them or more horrible than them. A jehadi go and kill with cause and he is not killing is neighbor. But our fundamentalist Are killing there own people and their neighbor, brutally rape and kill. Taking the case pandits is like taking the case of Calcutta riots . In Calcutta riots both muslims and hindus lost lot of things. On hindu perspective it is muslim barbaric activity and on muslim perspective it is hindu barbaric activity. Both are condemnable and both are barbaric and both people who affected were pathetic.
NO NEED
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
26
You are right about one thing, Mr. Narotham Desai, those who are human among us will weep at the plight of the Pundits. But an animal like you will refoice, because it gives you more fodder for your hate mongering efforts.
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
25
Narotham Desai,

No hard feelings, but you are evading my questions. Please answer.

When you become the Minister for Extermination of Minorities, are you going to replicate Nazi methods of genocide or are you going to develop your own methods?

Are you going to be heading the Human Exterminatin Research Lab too?

All the fanatics are waiting for your answer.
Spercial reporter covering Dr Narotham Mengele Desai
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
24
Narotham Desai,

No hard feelings, but you are evading my questions. Please answer.

When you become the Minister for Extermination of Minorities, are you going to replicate Nazi methods of genocide or are you going to develop your own methods?

Are you going to be heading the Human Exterminatin Research Lab too?

All the fanatics are waiting for your answer.
Spercial reporter covering Dr Narotham Mengele Desai
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
23
Narotham Desai,

No hard feelings, but you are evading my questions. Please answer.

When you become the Minister for Extermination of Minorities, are you going to replicate Nazi methods of genocide or are you going to develop your own methods?

Are you going to be heading the Human Exterminatin Research Lab too?

All the fanatics are waiting for your answer.
Spercial reporter covering Dr Narotham Mengele Desai
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
22
Narotham Desai,

No hard feelings, but you are evading my questions. Please answer.

When you become the Minister for Extermination of Minorities, are you going to replicate Nazi methods of genocide or are you going to develop your own methods?

Are you going to be heading the Human Exterminatin Research Lab too?

All the fanatics are waiting for your answer.
Spercial reporter covering Dr Narotham Mengele Desai
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
21
Nice to know that Outlook has done justice and opened the eyes, at last with this eye-opening article.
=================
The fight by me, and readers like infidel kafir,vasisht,blue bird, Ravi pillai and lots of others for having some justice for millions of unfortunate souls brutally killed and ethnically cleansed in pakistan,bangla desh and kashmir have been worth it through the many opinions in this site and the efforts
for writing them have been worth every second that we fought.
=====================
Thank you Outlook team, Vinod mehta and all others who have opened their eyes at last to bring some relief to those ethnically cleansed hindu and sikh souls and millions and millions of them,unfortunately who were wandering without getting any justice even from their fellow hindus and their governments even in India for so many decades!!!
=================
I read and saw the crocodile tears of someone who said he is
from Pakistan!! Dear friend, have a thought and a drop of tear if you have any tears, please for the millions of poor kafir hindus and sikhs ethnically cleansed by your people and governments after the partition.
===============
But this hatred and blind intolerance for hindus and sikhs iswritten deeply in your religious text and it is your holy book that has to be banned first and then only this tragedy wil end. That is the simple fact.Bush knows it and he will get you guys, don't worry. Read it once again and come up with the abominable,brutal words for kafir hindus, sikhs and other infidels therein and then shed crocodile tears!!
==================
It is this hatred against infidel kafir hindus and sikhs that led to brutal ethnic cleansing of millions and millions of hindus and sikhs there in paksitan, bangla desh and kashmir and it is this hatred that has led to demolition of about 6000 hindu temples and gurdwaras in paksitan, bangla desh and kashmir also and it is this hatred and intolerance that led to burning of poor hindu pilgrims in Godhra train in Gujarat.
========================
and it is this blind hatred that led to demolition of more than 3000 hindu temples and looting of wealth of billions of dollars therein by moghul invaders and othe fanatic tyrants through out centuries who invaded India and tried to destroy hindus and sikhs with their roots.
===================
Unfortunately this hate ideology is still there in the minds of millions of minority residents in india and that is the himalayan truth and tragedy for India.
===============
If our opinions have given some relief to millions of infidel kafir souls subjected to the horiible, indecsribable brutality and pain in pakistan, bangla desh and kashmir, we will havesucceeded in our efforts and that is our reward.
====================
As we used to say, names do not matter, it is the issues that matter.
===============
Finally Outlook too has seen the truth and justice and have acted in a really good style by bringing up this article for every one to see and cry and weep if they have synpathetic hearts and minds!!!
=====================
We dont expect those persons to weep or to have sympathy who think in their hearts that hindus and sikhs are non-believer inferior people and hence deserve to be burnt or murdered brutally as in pakistan, bangla desh and kashmir.
Thank you, Outlook and the team for a wonderful,eye-opening,heart-rending article.
=========================
If the readers are humans, they will have to weep, by seeing the terrible holocaust done in name of religious hatred and intolerance.Unfortunately there are some beastly, animal readers in this site and they will rejoice, naturally.But that is not the fault of Outlook, of course. ==================
Narotham Desai, Durham, Britain
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
20
Mufti is precisely following the C.M.P.I must also admit that he is also doing some good administrative reforms which the idiot Abdullah government failed to do.This year,for the first time since the past 14 years ,the Bakshi stadium in Srinagar had about 5000 ppl on 26th January.Most of the ppl came by rejecting the bandh called by APHC & death threats by terrorist organisations.Even JKLF supremo Yasin Malik admitted that those present in the stadium were local ppl.Mufti is also luring disgruntled youths with job opportunities.Inital indications are good.Aren't they?But do you know where Mufti is heading?To an unstable equilibrium i.e.,with the application of slightest of force it will be broken.To create a stable equilibrium i.e., to solve the problem permanently you have got to take the hardline approach with iron hand & iron determination.Chaina is doing that in Urghai & Tibet.Why can't we?
,
Jan 30, 2003 12:00 AM
19
Forget about Congress,they neither had the vision nor the intention to solve the vexed Kashmir problem.Third front was a nightmare for the country.But I am at pain to say that the current BJP government under the leadership of Mr. Vajpayee is no different from Congress regarding solving the matter.

There are basically two approaches to solve the problem,one softline & the other being hardline.The softliners are wishful thinkers,they say you have to win the hearts of Kashmiri Muslims by giving them few political & economic concessionjs,soothing their 'alienation'.They think Mufti's C.M.P. can do the mirracle.Now what does the C.M.P say?It suggests to disband the S.o.G.(they have done extraordinary jobs to check militancy in the valley & as they were mostly local ppl they were very adept in planning & strategy); to withdraw POTA( it was formulated specifically to control militancy in Kashmir);releasing the socalled innocent detainees(all of them are either hardcore terrorists or hardcore anti-nationals);punishing culprits for custodial killings(to break the back bone of the force);providing financial helps to families of terrorists(haha,Israel is destroying the houses of the terrorists & Mufti wants to encourage them).
bluebird
kashmir, India
Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
18
Hey Infidel,
I guess u had really bashed up this guy who is p-sec/Indian/anonymous at some point of time..That's why he sits infront of the comp all the time for ur posts and then he goes off!!It's something personal,I think.

Anyway don't bother about him.CarRy on.
SPECIAL REPORTER COVERING THE LUNATIC WHO THINKS HE IS THE SPECIAL REPORTER
,
Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
17
For those who are not familiar with Infidel Kafir, it is the same reptile who posted a little earlier using the name Narotham Desai. Yes, the one of the equal signs (==== ==== ====) fame.) He posts lot of hate messages here using a lot of different names. In all his messages, the theme is the same, HATE, HATE, HATE the minorities. He will go to any length to spread hatred. Please go back on this forum and look at his various posts using the above names and other pseudonyms like Vasisht, Bluebird, Anonymous Hindu, Draupati Mehta etc. and see how this snake's mind works. Unlike other extremists who post messages on this forum, he is not guided by any religious ideology. He had some problems with some members of these minority communities and he is taking his revenge on these communities as a whole. His anti-minority campaign is based completely on personal spite.
,
Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
16
Infidel Kafir,

The article was fine and talked volumes. All humans are angry at the situation and feel for the plight of the Pandits. But you, infidel Kafir, you are not interested in anything happening to them. You are using their plight only as your opportunity to spread your hate messages. The Pandits just come handy for you. This is just like you shedding crocodile tears for the tribals, and dalits, when you actually hate those people. All these people come just convenient for you now because you hate the minorities even more, that is all.
Radhakrishnan, M.
,
Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
15
The post below was by our friend Infidel Kafir (Ravi Pillai.) Listen to him call others hate mongers!! It is just like KKK man calling his victims racists!!!!
,
Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
14
All contributors to this opinion column are infidel kafir!!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!Truths are painful and bitter, is'nt it, traitors???!!! and hate-mogers???!!!Read the article once again and laugh ludly, you idiots!!!!
,
Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
13
Perhaps the reason most of the country has "become immune" to Kashmiri Pandits´plight is because your high flyers don´t bother getting upset about it. While Arundhati Roy calls Gujurat a laboratory for Hindu fascism, and writes in the Outlook, Indobrit and every possible international magazine, has she or another high profile "liberal writer" EVER bothered to write about the Kashmiri Pandits.
If the Kashmiri Pandits have suffered, its with the full knowledge and collusion of pseudo-secularists like your magazine and the "intellectuals with conscience" who write for it.
So before you run another Roy-rant on Hindu fascists and RSS, may be you should ask her to do as passionately incoherent piece for Kashmiri Pandits, just to let us know how deep her secular credentials really go.
Siddharth Singh
Dehradun, India
Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
12
Kashmiri pandits plight and islamic terrorism are evil realities. So also,

Muslim victims of Hindu extremists and hate-mongerers like Narotham Desai, Durham, Britain (his aliases - infidel kafir,vasisht,blue bird , Ravi pillai) and lots of others like Modi, togadia and gujurat-lab project team is the other evil reality and another side of the same coin.

Both are dangerous and needs to be equally addressed and weeded out.

If Koran needs to be revised then, so also do the hindu scriptures like the vedas, gitas and puranas which preach violence, brutality (everythings ok, so long as its karma, it is dharma or some shit ), untouchabilty (shudras system), sati or wife burning/swapping, cow worshipping etc .. the list is endless. hindu philosopher ram mohan roy himself was against most of these hindu preachings.

so much a person in a glass house throwing stones at others ..


indian
,
Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
11
"Hundreds of RSS shakhas across the country have been indoctrinating thousands of children and young people, stunting their minds with religious hatred and falsified history, including non-factual or wildly exaggerated accounts of the rape and pillaging of Hindu women and Hindu temples by Muslim rulers in the pre-colonial period."

"In states like Gujarat, the police, the administration, and the political cadres at every level have been systematically penetrated. It has huge popular appeal, which it would be foolish to underestimate or misunderstand. The whole enterprise has a formidable religious, ideological, political and administrative underpinning. This kind of power, this kind of reach, can only be achieved with state backing," Roy said.

Stating that "fascism's firm footprint has appeared in India", she said: "Fascism is about the slow, steady infiltration of all the instruments of state power. It's about the slow erosion of civil liberties, about unspectacular day-to-day injustices.

"Fighting it does not mean asking for RSS shakhas and madrassas which are overtly communal to be banned. It means working towards the day when they're voluntarily abandoned as bad ideas. It means keeping an eagle eye on public institutions and demanding accountability."

Conceding that most people in India have been horrified by what happened in Gujarat, she said, "Many thousands of the indoctrinated are preparing to journey deeper into the heart of the horror".

saroj
india,
Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
10
Nice to know that Outlook has done justice and opened the eyes, at last with this eye-opening article.
=================
The fight by me, and readers like infidel kafir,vasisht,blue bird , Ravi pillai and lots of others for having some justice for millions of unfortunate souls brutally killed and ethnically cleansed in pakistan,bangla desh and kashmir have been worth it through the many opinions in this site and the efforts for writing them have been worth every second that we fought.
=====================
Thank you Outlook team, Vinod mehta and all others who have opened their eyes at last to bring some relief to those ethnically cleansed souls and millions and millions of them,unfortunately who were wandering without getting any justice even from the hindus and their governments even in India for so many decades!!!
=================
I read and saw the crocodile tears of someone who said he is from Pakistan!! Dear friend, have a thought please for the millions of poor hindus and sikhs ethnically cleansed by your people and governments after the partition.
===============
But this hatred and blind intolerance for hindus and sikhs is written deeply in your religious text and it is your holy book that has to be banned first and then only this tragedy will end. That is the simple fact. Read it once again and come up with the abominable,brutal words for hindus, sikhs and other infidels therein and then shed crocodile tears!!
==================
It is this hatred against infidel hindus and sikhs that led to brutal ethnic cleansing of millions and millions of hindus and sikhs there in paksitan, bangla desh and kashmir and it is this hatred that has led to demolition of about 6000 hindu temples and gurdwaras in paksitan, bangla desh and kashmir also and it is this hatred and intolerance that led to burning of poor hindu pilgrims in Godhra.
========================
and it is this blind hatred that led to demolition of more than 3000 hindu temples and looting of wealth of billions of dollars threin by moghul invaders and othe fanatic tyrants through out centuries who invaded India and tried to destroy hindus and sikhs with their roots.
====================
Unfortunately this hate ideology is still there in the minds of millions of minority residents in india and that is the himalayan truth and tragedy for India.
===============
If our opinions have given some relief to millions of infidel souls subjected to the horiible, indecsribable brutality and pain in pakistan, bangla desh and kashmir, we will have succeeded in our efforts and that is our reward.
As we used to say, names do not matter, it is the issues that matter.
===============
Finally Outlook too has seen the truth and justice and have acted in a rally good style by bringing up this article for every one to see and cry and weep if they ahve synpathetic hearts and minds!!! Thank you, Outlook and the team.
==================
Narotham Desai, Durham, Britain
,
Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
9
It's heartening to see that someone has at least cared to bring the pathetic condition of the Kashmiri Pandits, brought about by Islamic terrorism, before the nation. How many of those whose hearts continue to bleed profusely for the Muslims affected by the Gujarat riots even feel a lump in the throat when they are reminded of these victims of ethnic cleansing in Kashmir? Good job Outlook.
Sandeep Shete
Vadodara, India
Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
8
Hi! I am a Pakistani-American and after reading these episodes of brutality, inhuman acts, and barbarianism, there is nothing but tears in my eyes. I wish, I can offer more to these displaced Pundits or anyone for that matter, but I find myself completely helpless.
I wish that we respect each other as fellow human beings and not as Christians, Hindus, Jewish, Muslims, Sikhs, and Zoroastrians (alphabetical order and not in order of personal preference for any faith).
The religions came down to unite humanity and not to divide it. Anyway, there is no religion that approves shameful acts of rape, murder, and destruction of property. If these Jehadis think that such acts are justified, they should study Koran once again and think of their acts.
Maqsood Choudary
University Center, Michigan, U.S.A.
Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
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This unsigned letter (what, no guts?) makes one want to question the virulent, needless BJP-bashing. What does BJP have to do with the Pandits not wanting to go back to J&K? You think they are in cahoots with the Islamic terrorists paid by Pakistan or brainwashed by the mad concept of Jehad who begin killings whenever there is talk of return?

I am no supporter of BJP but surely there is no point blaming it when the problem here IS cross-border terrorism, aided and abetted by the Hurriyat type Pak stooges.
Monica Banik
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Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
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Now the ethical question to be asked on BJP, what it has done to bring peace in Kashmir and keep the all migrated pandits to live peacefully with other Muslims. Are they going to help pandits and work cordially with Mufti Mohammed Sayeed, who invited all pandits to come back to Kashmir and help him building a peaceful kasmir. Will pandits take the action of sacrifice and boldly go and live with those Muslims. Now it all depends on how it is going to be polities. I am dam sure that BJP with co alliance of VHP/RSS the so called hindutuva protectors won’t be interested in keeping the kashmire pandits in peace with other muslim. For them they don’t want any peace with muslim. Even a muslim come out and say come on we can live happily here, these so called hinduuva protectors won’t allow. Because for them they want a war between hindu and muslim so that they polities the issue and win the vote bank. As long us these psudo socalled hindutuva protectors are in power I don’t think there is a possibility of peace
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Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
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A well-written and interesting article to read. It’s pretty ironical that the issue of Muslim terrorism in Kashmir is exploited in elections in rest of country with rhetoric but the meek voice of Kashmiri pundits is lost in the refugee camps itself. Mr. Modi is campaigning the length and breath of the country for coming elections and explaining how hindutva is in danger in absence of BJP rule. Has he spared a single hour from his regular Delhi tours to visit these camps? I pointed in my earlier comments to Balbir Punj’s article too, that Kashmiri pundits have been a big issue of pseudo Hindus bashing pseudo seculars. BJP in center has done what for them? How many faces of VHP leaders, saints, BJP politicians and other big pseudo Hindu leaders have been seen in refugee camps of Kashmiris. How has their status improved under BJP rule at center. VHP the savior, which made crores in name of Ram temple, how much it has donated to the cause living Kashmiris? Congress was worse, are these any better either.

The main thing is people have started preferring noise to voice. The louder a leader shouts, barks and kicks at anti-national, pseudo national, the louder people cheer him, applaud him. But when it comes to the voice of sufferers, the victims whether its riots or rape or refugee, we either ignore it or argue that the victims had it coming.

I hope outlook continues this trend of reporting the real picture on ground then just to publish the lip service and blood bashing articles of politicians and self claimed intellectuals.
Amar
, United States
Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
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Just wonderful Mr Vinod Mehta and Outlook for this eye-opening barabarity and forgotten justice!!! You have done more service than all the Congress Governments and even BJP government put together, to bring such an enormous humanitarian, forgotten tragedy to the front page of the media!!! Thanks, thanks,thanks. Hope you continue on the same line and bring out the ethnic cleansing holocuasts of hindus by Paksitanis, bangla Deshis,etc which is much more heart-rending than the holocaust suffered by Jews!!! Outlook , by this report has become the number one legitimate we magazine and print magazine of India!!! Wondeful Mr mehta, and Outlook Guys, you have dared to do justice, at last to a himalayan humanitatian problem that was almost forgotten by all!!! Thanks once again for your wonderful journalism and ethos.
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Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
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Just wonderful Mr Vinod Mehta and Outlook for this eye-opening barabarity and forgotten justice!!! You have done more service than all the Congress Governments and even BJP government put together, to bring such an enormous humanitarian, forgotten tragedy to the front page of the media!!! Thanks, thanks,thanks. Hope you continue on the same line and bring out the ethnic cleansing holocuasts of hindus by Paksitanis, bangla Deshis,etc which is much more heart-rending than the holocaust suffered by Jews!!! Outlook , by this report has become the number one legitimate we magazine and print magazine of India!!! Wondeful Mr mehta, and Outlook Guys, you have dared to do justice, at last to a himalayan humanitatian problem that was almost forgotten by all!!! Thanks once again for your wonderful journalism and ethos.
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Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
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How brutally ironic that it is "Pandit" Wimp Nehru's own community, the Kashmiri Pandits, about whose illustrious Brahminical descent the Nehru-sycophants are always warbling (Jawaharlal supposedly came from the purest blue-blooded Brahmins, etc!) - it is this community that is becoming extinct thanks to Panditji's own insane Muslim-fawning policies! Truly ironic....
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Jan 29, 2003 12:00 AM
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What is so surprising about what happened to the Pandits? Why is the author so indignant? The "humanitarian" secular brigade don't care a damn. Why expect it from them? If Hindus want to look after their interests they must act themselves. The world is not here to look after them. If they want to be whining, cringing "Gandhian" wimps, they will have to pay the price of being wiped out by tougher people like the Muslims.
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